Nightcap - Hour 2: Russell Westbrook makes history, Shaq feels disrespected, KeKe Palmer on Club Shay Shay

Summary

Summary of Club Shay Shay Podcast Episode: "Nightcap - Hour 2: Russell Westbrook Makes History, Shaq Feels Disrespected, KeKe Palmer on Club Shay Shay"

Release Date: November 21, 2024

Introduction

In the "Nightcap - Hour 2" episode of Club Shay Shay, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe engages in a dynamic conversation with fellow hosts Chad Johnson and J.R. Smith. The episode delves into the remarkable achievements of NBA superstar Russell Westbrook, examines Shaquille O'Neal's feelings of being overlooked in the GOAT (Greatest of All Time) debate, and features insightful discussions on team dynamics, player legacies, and the evolving landscape of professional basketball.

Russell Westbrook Makes History

The episode kicks off with an in-depth discussion about Russell Westbrook's historic achievement of recording 200 triple-doubles, making him the first player in NBA history to reach this milestone.

• Shannon Sharpe [04:22]: "Russell Westbrook became the first player in NBA history to record 200 triple-doubles. Swish, what will Russ legacy be?"

• J.R. Smith [04:43]: "Russ could be like the King is a jack of all trades. He really has done it all in so many different areas. But I don't think people talk about his intensity that he brings to the game."

Chad Johnson adds his admiration for Westbrook's relentless energy and authentic playing style:

• Chad Johnson [06:32]: "I like Russ a lot. The person you see on the court is exactly the same person you see off the court. His aura, the way he plays with energy and passion—it just reminds me of Steve Smith Sr. He plays with a chip on his shoulder, going all out every play."

The hosts emphasize Westbrook's unparalleled intensity and versatility, highlighting how his relentless drive has cemented his place as one of the most exciting and impactful players in the league.

Shaq Feels Disrespected in the GOAT Debate

Transitioning to a more contentious topic, the conversation shifts to Shaquille O'Neal's frustration over not being included in the GOAT discussions, despite his illustrious career.

• Shannon Sharpe [17:41]: "Shaq's illustrious career has cemented him as one of the most dominant forces in NBA history. Yet for all the accolades—four championships, three Finals MVPs, a 15-time All-Star—Shaq finds himself notably absent from the GOAT debate. On a recent episode of the Big Podcast, Shaq expressed frustration: 'Not having five, not having six, not being in the conversation for the greatest of all time. It eats me alive.'"

• J.R. Smith [21:08]: "Personally, I wouldn't list Shaq in the GOAT conversation. Sure, he has six titles and impressive stats, but when compared to legends like Kareem or Michael Jordan, Shaq falls short in areas like regular-season MVPs."

Chad Johnson counters by discussing the criteria often used in GOAT debates and how they may overlook Shaq's contributions:

• Chad Johnson [22:22]: "Bigs have never gotten the credit they deserve because people say you need somebody to get you the ball. Kareem doesn't get the credit that he deserves. Shaq was unstoppable—his athleticism, size, and dominance were unparalleled."

The hosts engage in a spirited debate about the factors that contribute to a player's legacy, questioning the emphasis on MVP awards over sheer dominance and impact on the game. They reflect on historical team dynamics, particularly focusing on the Oklahoma City Thunder's early years and how better management could have potentially altered the course of Shaq's legacy.

• J.R. Smith [25:14]: "Russell looks at it and says, 'Yes, Kobe and I got three, but we should have had five, right? I should have had more MVPs.' That's what eats at him."

Team Dynamics and Legacy

Furthering the discussion, Shannon Sharpe brings up the Oklahoma City Thunder's early team composition and management decisions that might have influenced Shaq's standing in basketball history.

• Shannon Sharpe [11:11]: "OKC had a guy that got 200 triple-doubles. Every guy they had is one of the MVPs. They had Kevin Durant, James Harden, but they couldn't keep them all together. Poor management led to the team's downfall."

• J.R. Smith [12:11]: "It's not just about drafting talent like KD or Russ; it's about retaining them. The luxury tax constraints pressured the team to make tough decisions, ultimately diluting their championship potential."

The conversation highlights how organizational decisions can significantly impact player legacies and team success, using the Thunder as a case study for what could have been with better management strategies.

Personal Anecdotes and Insights

Throughout the episode, the hosts share personal stories and anecdotes that provide a behind-the-scenes look at their perspectives on basketball and life.

• Shannon Sharpe [50:56]: "I've never had a key to a woman's apartment. When I travel, my assistant handles all the bookings because managing that on my own is just not my thing."

• Chad Johnson [44:37]: "Depending on who you're dealing with, we’re in different times now. Many women aren't looking for partners but sponsors. It's about understanding and meeting halfway."

These personal insights add depth to the discussion, illustrating how the hosts' experiences shape their views on the topics at hand.

Conclusion

The "Nightcap - Hour 2" episode offers a thorough exploration of significant NBA topics, blending statistical achievements with personal opinions and experiences. Shannon Sharpe, Chad Johnson, and J.R. Smith provide a balanced mix of admiration and critique, fostering an engaging dialogue about Russell Westbrook's historic accomplishments and Shaquille O'Neal's quest for recognition in the GOAT debate. Their candid conversations not only celebrate basketball excellence but also examine the intricacies of team management and personal legacy within the sport.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Shannon Sharpe [04:22]: "Russell Westbrook became the first player in NBA history to record 200 triple-doubles. Swish, what will Russ legacy be?"

• J.R. Smith [04:43]: "Russ could be like the King is a jack of all trades. He really has done it all in so many different areas. But I don't think people talk about his intensity that he brings to the game."

• Shannon Sharpe [17:41]: "Shaq's illustrious career has cemented him as one of the most dominant forces in NBA history. Yet for all the accolades... Shaq finds himself notably absent from the GOAT debate."

• J.R. Smith [21:08]: "Personally, I wouldn't list Shaq in the GOAT conversation. Sure, he has six titles and impressive stats, but when compared to legends like Kareem or Michael Jordan, Shaq falls short in areas like regular-season MVPs."

• Chad Johnson [22:22]: "Bigs have never gotten the credit they deserve because people say you need somebody to get you the ball. Kareem doesn't get the credit that he deserves. Shaq was unstoppable—his athleticism, size, and dominance were unparalleled."

• Shannon Sharpe [11:11]: "OKC had a guy that got 200 triple-doubles. Every guy they had is one of the MVPs. They had Kevin Durant, James Harden, but they couldn't keep them all together. Poor management led to the team's downfall."

These quotes encapsulate the episode's key discussions, providing listeners with direct insights from the hosts on the topics of leadership, legacy, and the ever-evolving discourse surrounding NBA greatness.

Transcript

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Russell Westbrook became the first player in NBA history to record 200 triple doubles. Swish what will Russ legacy be?

[J.R. Smith]

I think, I think it's tough man, because Russ, I think Russ could be like the King is jack of all trades. Like he could. He really has done it all in so many different areas. But like I don't think people talk about his intensity that he brings to the game. Even still right now. Like when he first came into the into the league, he was able to make an impression just because he was so athletic and he was like, and he obviously had kd. But like his intensity that he play with, he's one of the smartest players I've played against. He's in your face, he's guarding, he's taking on a challenge one on one. Whoever the next person is, he ain't really passing it off. Like even when him and Dame used to have a back and forth, he's guarding Dame like, it ain't like, oh, all right. So and so go guard him. And then on the other end, somebody gonna guard me. So our matchup is get your numbers against somebody else opposed to your matchup. No, they. He taking a matchup head on. So for me, man, he's. He's one of the greatest of all time. I love Russ dog. And he's. He got a great heart, like, more than anything. Like, he's just a great person, man. Russ is like, I've. Honestly, man, he's one. He's one of those rare people who, like, who really have a true balance of who they are on the court and who they are off the court. Because you can get. You can. You can lose who you are in between the media line and in real life or. And just on. Like, for me, I lose it and in the sense of I. I'm always aware of where I am and who I'm with and what I'm doing, because people already anticipate me to be on some. Some bull jump.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like, they got a perception.

[J.R. Smith]

They got a perception of me that I'm already on some. Some. Some B.S. so in my mind, I'm wearing a tuxedo. Like, I'm. I'm here, right? So it's. It's a different. It's a fine line, but for him, like, I really love his balance between his normal life with his kids and his wife and his. His ability to play basketball and flourish.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I mean, I. I like. I like Russ. I like Russ a lot. You know, just watching him and like. Like Junior said, I like the fact that the person you see on the court is exactly the same person you see off the court. He's authentic. There's something. There's something about Russell, man, his aura, the way he plays, the energy he plays with the. The passion. It just. He reminds me of. Of a comparison. And I'm gonna use football for better context for those that are watching. He reminds me of Steve Smith senior. He plays with a chip on his shoulder. He plays angry. He plays violent. He just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He just plays hard. Every. Every play. Every play, he think it's his last. He going all out.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, it's like somebody pissed him off. He played like somebody pissed him off. And I have an appreciation for him and a love for his game. He doesn't get a lot of credit, you know, the credit I think he deserves. A lot of people, you know, make fun of him maybe, you know, by this shooting. He's not shooting. And when he has an off Night. They, you know, they picking at him, you know, based on, you know, what he's accomplished. And obviously he's a great player. So the scrutiny is a little bit, little bit harsh. More than others because, you know, they.

[J.R. Smith]

Expect more from two time mvp, by the way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he won. He won MVP with a triple one the average. Nobody thought it could be done again after Oscar did it and Russ did it for an entire. As a matter of fact, he did it like three or four times. Yeah, he did it three or four times. And so it just goes to show, I mean the thing that I can say about it, man, that joker play hard. Everybody effing game. Every game, Every game of his entire, of his entire NBA career. I saw, I saw him. I think it was his freshman year when they went to the ncaa. They went to the title game. I think that was. They played an Indy. I think they played an Indy. I think that was his freshman year or maybe a sophomore year. Maybe it's freshman year at ucla.

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. No, I think he came out as a sophomore.

[J.R. Smith]

Did he?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I think so.

[J.R. Smith]

It's crazy because when I was like, when I was working out with them and like I can see like now like in the, in the best thought or like thing that I could put to mind what it was like when Marshawn was saying, like, I just want to like, if I hit you in the face, I hit you on this play, then I hit you again, then I hit you again and then I hit you again. Eventually you gonna fold, but I'm gonna hit you again. And then I'm like, that's how I think about Russ. Like. Yeah, it ain't no, there's no. I'm going through you. A lot of people can go around, you can go over, you can go do this and I'm going through you. And I love that. I love that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he love.

[J.R. Smith]

Generational talent too, for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is this. Do we think of him different had he stayed in okc? I think going to. Going to what? He went to Houston, then he went to Washington, then he came to the Lakers, then he went to the Clippers.

[J.R. Smith]

Now Denver.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, somebody bought him out. Didn't he go to Utah?

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah, he went to Utah. Utah, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[J.R. Smith]

No, I don't think I take away from him because it's like mellow. I don't think I take away from his credibility. I mean, I know he doesn't. I know mellow don't have the stats and awards or whatever, but like when you start jumping around from team to team at the end of the year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's what I'm. That's what. That's what I mean. It's kind of like. Kind of like Shaq at the tail lean.

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah. Like, I don't think, you know, you go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You go.

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah, I don't think so. Because it's not like he's. To me, it's not like for a person like Russ or a player like Russ, I don't think he's searching for a championship. He's searching for the genuine love of the game. He genuinely loves the game. He love the atmosphere. He look like there's nothing more that he really looking for on an accolade standpoint to like, oh, I gotta. Or. Or for the outside approval to like, I gotta. I gotta feel. I gotta fill this void within myself about how y'all feel about me. He ain't that type of person. So for him, I feel like it's a different look at it from other people's in their careers and where they at in certain conversation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Think about what OKC had. They had a guy that got 200 triple doubles. Every guy that they had is one of them vp, be it an OKC or somewhere else. You got Kevin, you got James Harden, got 3,000 threes, you got Kevin Durant is about to hit 30,000 points. And you had them all on the same team under the age of 25.

[J.R. Smith]

But you couldn't keep. But two.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They should have went ahead and gave that other $5 million today. It was a five. Basically a five million dollar year difference.

[J.R. Smith]

They kept watching you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Probably you going to the luxury tax.

[J.R. Smith]

And you keep surge.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, not surge. I'm gonna make a surge to get James Harden. That's the only surge I know.

[J.R. Smith]

That's what I'm saying, though. But that's the person they kept writing. They can't surge.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, bro.

[J.R. Smith]

You lose. You aren't. Wait, so you have three MVPs. You get it all the way. Right. Except for the last move and you keep.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[J.R. Smith]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[J.R. Smith]

Poor.

[Chad Johnson]

Poor management.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because he can pick them.

[J.R. Smith]

He picked three MVPs. Now you can't let them go.

[Chad Johnson]

You don't let them go.

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah, I mean, I get you can't let them go, but you gotta make one mistake within the. How many years? You said six, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You gotta think about it. You draft kd, you draft Russ, then you draft Harden.

[Chad Johnson]

That's crazy.

[J.R. Smith]

And Jeff Green with KD here, you.

[Chad Johnson]

Know what do you think they would have won a championship at any point if they had Stayed together.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell yeah. I believe they would have.

[J.R. Smith]

I think the best opportunity would have been when Brown's first year back in Cleveland. What year that was? What, 14?

[Shannon Sharpe]

15. 15. No, 14.

[J.R. Smith]

14. That's when James had just went to Houston. It would have been second year in Houston.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah. That's when James was like really like.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, he would keep on cooking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh my God.

[J.R. Smith]

Because the first year he came out the gate 45, 50.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[J.R. Smith]

Oh my God.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that just goes to show you he need. He needed his own team.

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was being. Coming off the bench. He was. He needed his own team.

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah. It was not sometimes about him though. It was a snowball effect for not laugh when they who they lost to Miami. They lost.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[J.R. Smith]

It was after that series. Well, the who did be Dallas before they got to Miami and Miami beat them. But when in that series you could really tell like he really came into his own. He didn't have that good of a series because I think Miami had a like a great game plan. They jumped screens really hard and it was hard for him to pass out of double teams at the time. But that next year, it was perfect timing for him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh. After Rookie dawn connects 37 point performance Last night, LeBron talked about the Lakers front office drafting dog connect. They didn't find DK. They didn't find DK. The other 16 teams effed it up. He can shoot it.

[J.R. Smith]

You got a ratchet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He can shoot it. And he's perfect because LeBron can find him anywhere. He can find him from the cross court. He can hit him with the hammer pass. You know, hey, LeBron Drive and can kick from one side to the other. So he couldn't have gone to a better place. And he's a scorer because he can do more than shoot the three. I watch him put the ball on the floor and flush it. I watch him get all the way to the rim on people switch. I watch him put the ball on the floor.

[J.R. Smith]

By no means. And Caleb, I love you, but by no means. I'm comparing you to him. But from a shooting aspect and being able to space the floor, that's a great addition for the Lakers and LeBron because if you got a four or five that can space the floor, set screens, pick and pop, get open like that's a recipe for disaster. Because then you leave an opportunity for him to get downhill or if worse kind of worse. He shoulder on shoulder against somebody in a great position to where he's either getting foul shooting free throws. If they do double, he kicking back To a dead eye shooter. And for them, that's what they need. They need more, way more dead eye shooters than streaky shooters. Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. And that's, and that's what he is. Because prior to him, they were streaky. LeBron can get hot. Kobe, Ozark, Austin, Reeves could get hot, D Low can get hot. AD can make a couple. But they didn't have a guy that would really, when he shoot it, you expected to go here. That, that, that's. That's the kind of reputation Swish and Ocho that he's built up for himself, that he's not streaky, he can shoot the ball.

[J.R. Smith]

That's a lot of pressure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he's more than just a three point shoot.

[J.R. Smith]

That's a lot of pressure when you get that ball and everybody, all you hear in the, in the, in the crowd, like they anticipation to make shots. There we go. Oh, yeah. And that's a ball game. And that's what now we playing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And bro, you ain't just playing alongside anybody.

[J.R. Smith]

No, sir.

[Drew Franklin]

Oh, yeah.

[J.R. Smith]

No, sir. Ringling brothers, first of all, Ringling brothers, we're gonna bring on the whole shebang coming ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, yes. You play with a historic franchise with. Alongside a historic player. And we know what the expectations are. Even LeBron player playing with us right now. Swish, me, you, Ocho, Jordan and Ash, they still expect that man to win 45, 50 games and make. And make a deep run in the playoff.

[J.R. Smith]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[J.R. Smith]

And no matter who his teammates is, they go talk trash, man. You should have got him there. I don't care. Ocho shot 25 from three. I don't care. You. You supposed to influence him to make him 38. Hypothetical. So I know you got a better shot than that.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I know. Listen, I shot 62 from 3 in high school, though. I'm just, just throwing that out there.

[J.R. Smith]

Are you gonna let us lie or.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you. You will. You'll learn how to just, you know, just like, okay. And just keep it, just keep it moving. I let it. I let it. I let him have his moment. I give him like one like a couple times a week. I let him have his moment. Like, yeah, Ocho, that seems about right. And then other times I just keep it moving. Okay. Shaq being excluded.

[Chad Johnson]

It's on YouTube, but go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Shaq being Shaq on being excluded from the goat debate. That ish eats me alive. Shaq's illustrious career has cemented him as one of the most dominant forces in NBA history. Yet for all the accolades, four championships, three finals MVP. A 15 time All Star, Shaq finds himself notably absent from the goat debate. On a recent episode of the Big Podcast, Shaq expressed frustration that lingers after his retirement. You know what eats me? Not having five. Not having six. Not being in the conversation for the greatest of all time. Yeah. You're the most dominant big man. When y'all talk about the greatest of all time, you're not even mentioned that Ish eats me alive.

[Chad Johnson]

I have a question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Hypothetically speaking. Or Jay, either one of y'all, if Shaq has six titles in the same end of season accolades as he has, do you think he ranks or would be in the goat. Goat debate.

[J.R. Smith]

He has six titles, three Finals MVPs.

[Chad Johnson]

Two 15 time All Stars, but he has zero.

[J.R. Smith]

Shaquille O'Neal has zero MVP seasonals. One, one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Yeah.

[J.R. Smith]

Damn. That's crazy.

[Chad Johnson]

But he had six titles. Hypothetically speaking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think 2000. I think he won it in 2000 because I think Iverson wanted it. No. 1.

[J.R. Smith]

If I'm not mistaken, Shaq has one MVP. That's impressive.

[Shannon Sharpe]

One season MVP.

[J.R. Smith]

That's impressive. Wow.

[Chad Johnson]

Does it change if he has six titles?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He won. He won the MVP in 99.

[J.R. Smith]

No, I don't think it changes. He's still not in the gold debate.

[Chad Johnson]

Ouch.

[J.R. Smith]

How? Cause you got Kareem with six and six. Like, what do you want? You got. Mike was six and six. Like, what do you want me to do?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Mike got. Mike got six titles. Five. I got five regular season MVP.

[J.R. Smith]

You got bronze with four and four finals MVPs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, six finals MVPs. Five regular season. Kareem got six regular season MVPs. Five championship. I mean, six finals. He got six regular season MVPs. He got six titles and he got two finals MVPs. Kareem won the finals MVP at like 37, 38.

[J.R. Smith]

Wait, he only got two out of the seven.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, who that? Kareem got two out of the six.

[J.R. Smith]

He got two out of the six?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Cause James Worthy got one and Magic got the other three. So he got two, Worthy got one, Magic got three.

[J.R. Smith]

I didn't know that Magic was cold.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, for sure. You got to realize we'll never see another Magic Johnson. Magic won the Finals MVP as a rookie.

[J.R. Smith]

I know, I know. He won three. What? Cap was on the team, though. Yes, I know that. Yes, that's cold.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Absolutely. Yes, I know one.

[J.R. Smith]

The one you got was. Cat was hurt. I knew that for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's. You got. You got Bill Russell, guys. Bill Russell won five regular season MVPs. He won 11 championships.

[Chad Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got Will. He got four regular season MVPs. I think he got two championships.

[J.R. Smith]

How many Russell finals MVPs do they keep giving to Koozie?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because. No, no, because here's the thing. The Finals MVP didn't become a part of it until 1969. Jerry West Run won it. He was the first Finals mvp, but he won it on a losing team.

[J.R. Smith]

Jay west was cold as mug, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[J.R. Smith]

Damn. Oh, yeah. Shaq. I don't know, though. I ain't rolling. I don't think Shaq should be. Me, personally, I wouldn't list him in the. In the goat conversation. How? Like, I would put Kareem up there. I mean, not Kareem. I mean, yeah, if Kareem.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you gotta put Kareem.

[J.R. Smith]

I was gonna say, I will put Hakeem up there. I won't put Shaq. I was just starting, like, centers, like, trying to put more comparable people like Hakeem. First of all, Hakeem dominated Shaq. Two chips in both.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Defensive player of the year.

[J.R. Smith]

Like, he cooked.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He cooked every big. Remember that year that they gave the Finals mvp? Today they gave the regular season MVP to David Robinson. And they met in the. In the semifinals. And he cooked. No, he cooked emojo. When I say he cooked it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[J.R. Smith]

Oh, my God.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bigs have never gotten the credit they deserve because they said, well, you need somebody to get you the ball. So Kareem doesn't get the credit that he deserves.

[J.R. Smith]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

People don't realize. People don't realize how good Kareem War. Because prior to 1980, the players voted for the Finals, voted for the regular season MVP. So that season, that will average 50 and 25. He didn't win the MVP. Bill Russell did so proud of that. And they're like, hold on, wait a minute. Something ain't right. Cause you know how it is. Player don't like, somebody ain't vote for it.

[J.R. Smith]

Right for him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So they took it from the players. They gave it to the media. Now to me, they say, well, media be hating, too. Cause, Ocho, you know how it is. Because we vote, we get a third of the vote for the Pro bowl, right? So it's us, the fans and the coaches. But Shaq was. Shaq was unbelievable. And that's the problem. I just wish Shaq would have liked taking it to see. Say, you know what? I'm gonna get into shape. I'm gonna stay in shape for a.

[J.R. Smith]

Decade, and I'm Gonna work on my free throws.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[J.R. Smith]

I'm gonna expand my game because you're.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Never gonna see a guy like Shaq. You're never gonna see a black guy that big, that athletic, could run like he could run, that can jump like he could jump. You're never gonna see that again in your lifetime. Because you saw Haley's comment. That's what Shaq was. I'm gonna put it. I'm gonna put it in an astronomy term.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You saw Haley's comment once every 75 to 79 years. It comes around. You just hope you're old enough to. When you see it, you remember it.

[J.R. Smith]

Right. Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what Shaq was 100. That's what he was to be able to run. He's in bead size, but Embiid can touch him in athleticism the way Shaq could get up and down the court.

[J.R. Smith]

I don't think it's a big right now. And, and like that true athleticism and size, that can mess with them. I, I don't. I've not. I haven't seen it since the white and. But the white was built different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[J.R. Smith]

Like, honestly, like the white just didn't have.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Didn't have the weight behind him that Shaq was over.

[J.R. Smith]

Didn't have the lift that Dwight had.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no, no. The way it happened, the white was.

[J.R. Smith]

Over top of everything. He could jump over the top of the box. Shaq had that weight to where like if I. If I get up over here and you go and your is right here, this, it might come off.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[J.R. Smith]

Come on. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know why anybody would ever try to block Shaq though.

[J.R. Smith]

Ain't no way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because he gonna hurt you.

[J.R. Smith]

Recipes. That was disrespectful, man. He. He did the Deacon, the finals, man, that was crazy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's. And that's what eats at it. Because he knows he left some food on the plate. That's what eats at him. Ocho. Gotta be. That's. That's what eats at him. And that's why I'm saying you put all of them. Because once it's over, it's over, Ocho. That's why I can lay my head on the pillow. I got everything, got everything out of my God given ability. I didn't. I exhausted everything. Whatever, you know, I couldn't have done anything else with what God gave me.

[J.R. Smith]

Let me ask you this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What he gave me. Yeah.

[J.R. Smith]

So you think in that. The 04 that keep. That keeps Shaq up at night every night that Detroit team, Ben Wallace, like, he thinking, man, if I was Shaq, then I could have put an extra 15 minutes in here and there and we could have dominated them. It wouldn't even. No question. That little beef, man, I think he had one nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think swish is that he looks at it and he says, yes, Kobe and I got three, but we should have had five, right? I should have had more MVPs.

[J.R. Smith]

I feel that now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I believe. Now I go to my grave believing that he should have hit the year in Miami. He should have been the mvp. Yeah, but they gave it to Steve Nash.

[J.R. Smith]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Steve Nash wasn't like 65 games, you know, they were high flying. I mean, he what led the league in assists. But Shaq, Shaq. Shaq knows it. That's why it keeps him up. That's why it bothers him. He's supposed to be in the conversation because guess what? You know who's gonna be in that conversation if he keeps playing like this? Nicola Jokic.

[Chad Johnson]

Jokic, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got three in four years.

[J.R. Smith]

If who keep up playing like what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jokic. He wins. He wins another a couple of championships. No, but I'm saying. Don't know what I'm saying. No. In the goat conversation against.

[J.R. Smith]

Compared to who? Shaq?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, he. I think people gonna say, nah, he's gonna be in the conversation when we talk about the goat. The five, whatever.

[J.R. Smith]

The five best players, for sure. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, right. I don't know, people. This man is averaging 30. 13. No, 30, 14 and 12.

[J.R. Smith]

I thought you were saying about comparison to Shaq. He pass shack to me. No disrespect to Shaq. He. He's light years past that man who can't get off the. Who can't jump over. Come here. You better get out of here. This man over here horse jockeying in the summertime, man, you better stop it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I don't think he's passed Shaq yet. I think if he gets another. I think if he gets another Finals mvp. Gets another Finals mvp. Because for the next three years he's going to be in the running for mvp regular season mvp.

[J.R. Smith]

Like how you talk about Shaq when he plays any other big, including it's lunch. He's. He hitting people with Kareem. Fake hair, fake there, fake there. One leg at three. Cash, nothing but net. Not even the rim. Yeah, his threes late shot clock. I don't know if anybody realized it. That hit all draws. It ain't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, he killed the Lakers that year, that championship. How many of those he hit against the Lakers with.

[J.R. Smith]

Come on, man. Like I'm just sitting watching them two. One slingshot cash.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I look, Shaq had an unbelievable career because when you saw him at LSU, he was like, damn, that man, he that big seven one, 300 pounds and he's moving like that now. That's the Shaq we jumping out the building.

[J.R. Smith]

No, for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean that, that day, that skinny shack. The skinny shack was still 300.

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah. Oh, boy, could he move.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy, could he move.

[J.R. Smith]

Give me a. Give me a. Okay, so modern day best two, right? Well, let me say second best too, because I guess MJ was the best two back then. So second best two, you go between Devin Booker and Anthony Edwards. Put them in, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you like you say the best. The two best tools right now, Ant man and a. A book.

[J.R. Smith]

Okay, so back in the day, you say MJ or cold or best two man. Maybe some people will say Clyde back in the day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Clyde? Yeah, Clyde. When. When Jordan. When Jordan was in his prime in the 80s and early 90s. Most people say it was Clyde. It was Clyde and Mike.

[J.R. Smith]

So just say or deep book with. With Buddy Jokic.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That'd be a problem.

[J.R. Smith]

I don't know. I like that. I mean, obviously Cove is cold, but if. If Jokic and Verse. Because only because I know Ant is going to step up as a competitor against Cole. Yeah, I like my chances.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I think, I think because Jokic is a better passer then. I mean, I don't. I'm not breaking news here because here's the guy that could average. He could. He probably be the next guy to average a triple double for sure. Because he can pass out of the double. I mean, he could do. You know, he could hand off, he could slip. I mean, he can pick and pop. I mean, he really doesn't have. Offensively, Yoke doesn't have enough. He doesn't have a weakness.

[J.R. Smith]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He can shoot the three well enough that you got the guardian. He could put the ball on the floor. He up. Thank you. Put the ball on the floor and teardrop you off the glass. Hey, he could post you and spin. He's gonna make 80% of his free throws. I just, like I said, I just, you know and I know and that's the thing. And I feel that's what I. That's why I always try to tell people, ocho, maximize it. Because when it's over, it's over.

[Chad Johnson]

It's over.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then you have to deal with the what ifs, man. If I had. Just. That's why I didn't do. That's why I didn't do the things that I did when I played Ocho. Because now when I walked away, what. Nothing's going to change the perception. If I'd have came back for another year, I go to another Pro bowl, that's not going to change the way people think of me at all. But I just knew that, hey, I did everything I possibly could. I'm gone. And I think that that bothers Shaq. And I feel bad. I feel bad for him. Because a lot of times stuff like that haunts you. It does. Even as accomplished as Shaq is, shaq's probably worth 7,800 million dollars. But he remembers what got away for sure, not what he actually had.

[J.R. Smith]

Hell yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Right?

[J.R. Smith]

I played so many finals, man, we lost. Oh, my God. One. If Kyrie, Kev, don't, don't get hurt. We win that one. Katie did some, did what he did. We win like, nah, dog, I don't want to hear that. No, I don't think I'm going to the grave with this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey guys, this is Matt Jones. Drew Franklin from the Fade. This podcast, we got a great episode coming up. Picks in all the sports, football, basketball. We do them all. But here's a preview of this week's episode. I'm the Cowboys. I mean they're already a circus. They need to fix their the sun coming in their window before they start worrying about I like how Jerry was like what do you want me to do about sun? Sun's just up our it ain't like I can do nothing about it.

[J.R. Smith]

It's just upper.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's just your son. What are you supposed to do? There's a moon, too. Hey, his son's up there. You think? Ain't gonna be sun. And then they're like, well, why don't you, you know, put up a curtain?

[J.R. Smith]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Still the sun, it's like, well, you're all pro. Receiver has his hands in the air with a ball coming at him because he can't see. Just admit you didn't do a great job designing that. And this episode was brought to you in partnership with DraftKings. To hear more, listen and subscribe to Fade this on iheartradio or wherever you listen to podcasts. Olympic triathlete Taylor Nib. That's how you say her name is N. I. If N I, B B, I'm gonna say Nib won the inaugural T100 Triathlon World Championship finals this past Saturday. There was one small problem she had. As she neared the finish line in a viral video making the rounds online, she noticed the cameraman next to her and she says, I just pooped myself, so can you not get a picture of my ass? Thank you. Sorry. The cameraman agreed and she made her way to the finish line with a poopy boot.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, you know, obviously running triathlon, you don't have a time to take a break. You don't have time to take a break. There's really no. No rest if you're actually trying to win. She probably ate some she shouldn't have before she did the race. Obviously, you know, in order to compete at a level like that, to be able to run a triathlon, you have to eat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Problem jail packs, Ocho. Them jail packs will get you when you.

[Chad Johnson]

When you run into jail, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Them jail pack, man, I'm telling you, leave them alone. If I don't have someone to spin bike, I'll be taking a three hour spin class, right?

[J.R. Smith]

Man, you said three hours spin class.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, we had. They had a class where they would have two teachers. So the lady, one. One person would go for an hour and a half and then the next lady would come in and go and the next person would come and go for an hour and a half. But hey, them jail packs to get you, Ocho. I ain't gonna lie to you, Ocho. They'll get you.

[Chad Johnson]

I know. So I've never had him. I never had him before, but I know what you're talking about.

[J.R. Smith]

What the hell kind of workouts you doing? Three hours spinning class, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I gotta get it in hey, what.

[J.R. Smith]

Kind of days you got to spend three hours on the bike?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man. Swish. I would take six spin. Six spin classes a day.

[J.R. Smith]

Oh, my God.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, swish. Man, I could burn. I was burning in a day. I was burning 45000 calories.

[J.R. Smith]

Well, that's why y'all eat like that. Yeah, I eat four, five times a day. Full course, big ass Thanksgiving meals. And.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And she won 210,000. I don't know if that's enough to keep me running with booty. With dookie in my booty.

[J.R. Smith]

No, that's out, I bet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I'm saying. All right, they gotta behave. I get the next one. Nah, bad. I mean, I hate hopping for you. You out of toilet paper. You gotta hop. God dang.

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Pants down by your ankle.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you gonna keep running the old show?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You call me shitty all you want. Yeah, exactly.

[J.R. Smith]

With his Oakley deal he's talking about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, y'all dirty, boy. I can't believe y'all. Jack, can you believe Ocho?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, man, listen, man, I. I've been through worse.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, but congratulations, Taylor. Job well done. Hey, some things. Hey, hey. Sometimes it happens. Sometimes it happens.

[J.R. Smith]

I like that. She has to respect. Like, yo, don't get my.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, but, but, but. Because a lot of times sometimes swish. You don't. You don't know it because, you know, you think you. You think you let some weed go. You're like, oh, damn.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She like, ah, Nah. Hey, it's. It's real loose back there. It's real squishy. Hey, oh, 79 of y'all for y'all. Some kind. Oh, and y'all want me to come on, come to my house for Thanksgiving. Oh, hell no. No, I'm good, girl. I can't have a bad dog.

[J.R. Smith]

Oh, no, no, hell no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We say he gonna keep it going. Kiki Palmer. I had on the podcast, Ocho. I don't know if you. If you saw it reveal that on Club Shay, that her mom and her dad went 50, 50 fire.

[Chad Johnson]

I like that. I like that. But obviously, uncle, you gotta understand, depending on who you deal with, we in different times now. A lot of women aren't really looking for partners. A lot of women are looking for sponsors.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

So there's a difference. Many, many won't agree with the 50, 50 thing. Now there. There are some, you know, that. That come with the understanding and will pull their end of the stick. You know, some. Some are willing to go 60, 40, so, you know, some men really want to be 80, 20, and then there are some men that want to be full providers as well, where they want to be able to keep whatever money she makes so she's able to do what she wants to do. And then if you're not in that type of situation, every man you meet won't be in a position to be able to go 80, 20. Sometimes you might have to meet someone halfway, go 50, 50, and you make it a little easy for yourself. And some women don't even want that. Where they rather pay everything 100% and take their chances of finding someone that's willing to pick up the heavy load of whatever it is, you know, that they come with whatever that may be. But I mean, sometime in, in some cases women are a little bit, I hate using this word, a little bit delusional, understanding and thinking they're going to find a man that's going to take everything all the time, though that ain't, that ain't happening.

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah, no, it's definitely happening.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't mind it. Look here, I'm old fashioned.

[Chad Johnson]

It depends on who the woman is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm old fashioned, I'll take care of it. But sometimes like, hey, Shannon, I want to take you to dinner. Shannon, I want to pay for this. Shannon, I want to pay for that. Just offer. I'm going to say no. I'm going to say, diane, I'm going to say no. Now, I have had a situation where I took a, took a young lady. I took a young lady out and she knew I always pay for everything. She had already done take, she had already taken care of it. So when I, when I went to pay for it, the service said, Mr. Sharp, it's already been taken care of. I'm like, you dirty.

[J.R. Smith]

I love it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I was like, okay, I love that. Yeah.

[J.R. Smith]

What you mean, yeah? First of all, you gotta like, you gotta let a lady take you out now. You gotta let her. Yeah, let them pamper you too, dog. You gotta let them give you $20, get your hair cut down, you know what I'm saying? Go get your 15, get your nails done. Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's just hard. It's just hard. It's just, honestly, guys, it's just hard for me to relax like that because that's just not the way I was brought up. You know, we, you know, I'm from that school that, you know, the man took care of everything, you did everything. And you know, even when it's like, you know, I want to, I just, it's Just hard for me to relax. But I appreciate the gesture. Like I said, just sometimes say, well, Shannon, you know what? I want to do this, I want to do that. I mean, yeah, I've had, you know, I go to the same person to get my nails done. And, yeah, Mr. Shannon, somebody's already taken care of. I ain't know somebody. I know who did it. Cause that's the only person that know where I get my nails done. But my only thing is my mom that worked for them.

[J.R. Smith]

My mama.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, sometimes don't show that 50, 50 switch. 50, 50, 60, 40. It might not work.

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah, my mom. My mom and daddy been married 44 years. They. My dad took care of all the bills and everything. My mama been the house mom, did her thing and held her thing down. Whether my mom was paying 50 or my mom was still not paying nothing like she doing now, she was going to talk anyway. So regardless of which will we paying or what we not paying, they gonna say they mine anyway. So you might as well get. Get. Get through with that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but that. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, Yeah, I was. I'm gonna say another thing. Women. Women can't really relinquish all their power, all their leverage. If you have a guy that's going 80, 20, or you Swiss, like you said, there's some dud, depending on who the woman is. And those are those Tier one women where they have men that are taking care of 100 of everything, then they have no leverage, huh? They have no power. You're at their mercy. You're being controlled. Because they are the means in which you're able to survive and live.

[J.R. Smith]

I don't think. To me, I don't think they want no power. It's too much.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, it's too much.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm not that big of a control freak. I don't like having a situation where I take care of everything, and then all of a sudden, you feel that I'm the king and you got to acquiesce everything I say. No, I want you. Look, I won't want you. I want you to say your piece. Yeah, I might not agree with it, and I might not do it, but I just don't ever want you to feel. I hate that. That because I pay for everything I'm taking, you know, I've taken on the responsibility of taking care of you, that you feel that you can't say or you don't have no say in the house. Now, still, I might not listen, I might not do it, but I still want to hear what you got to say. And then I might. Ocho. Because I want you. I want you to have. This is not a dick. Look, somebody once told me, say, Shannon, I. I'll preserve democracy. I don't practice it here. So this is. This is a dictatorship. I ain't like that because I want everybody to have. I want everybody to have their say. Because I know what it's like when you. You look, my grandfather ran with an iron fist. He paid all the bills. You did exactly what he say or he like. Don't grumble and stay grumbling. Lead. I don't ever want. I don't ever want a. A woman to feel that way with me.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, but it's different, though, you guys. We're in a different era, okay? Hey, them boys. Them boys out here. I mean, be women. Them big boys. Yeah.

[J.R. Smith]

Everything.

[Chad Johnson]

And you think, man, listen, all right.

[Drew Franklin]

Everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Cause I. Hold on. I was. You know, I ain't back. You know, I try to break up a little hair there, you know? A little hair. Okay, for the hair, here's another 150 for the nail. 400. They talking about LLC. LLC? I don't. I got a homeboy Glyviel named LC. That's the only fee. Just. You can drop that other L. Because ain't no LLC. The only LLC. That's gonna be 84 incorporated.

[Chad Johnson]

Right? It's a different world out there, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I see.

[Chad Johnson]

It's a different world.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But also, guys, tell me what I'm getting. If I'm doing all that, what do I get?

[J.R. Smith]

Doing all what? Paying everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. What?

[J.R. Smith]

I'm getting the same thing you get.

[Chad Johnson]

If you was paying 50.

[J.R. Smith]

50, right. If not, even less.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dango.

[J.R. Smith]

No, for real. Because you gotta think like modern day. They don't know how to cook. They don't want to clean, they don't want to do nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the thing.

[J.R. Smith]

But then, so you do all of this, then you got to get a maid, then you got to get a chef, and then you got to get a nanny, and then you got to get this, and you gotta go get that. It's like, dog, by the time I did all this, I could have fell in love with the right person. That could have been a Swiss army knife.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

Come on, now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that has happened to me, though. I. I had. I had a lady told. Because like you said, what you just said, swish. I had a cleaner, sir, had somebody clean the house, have somebody come in and cook the meals, somebody the laundry. Take the laundry, the groomers she didn't have to wash the pet. The groomers come to the house, wash the pets twice a month. Somebody clean, somebody cooked, somebody did the laundry. She didn't. Did. And I remember one day she. She came home and she's like, what exactly do you need me for? I was like, what are you talking. You know, so now. So now I don't jump back. What are you talking about?

[J.R. Smith]

Straight up, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

She's like, shannon, you have somebody to cook. You have somebody to clean. You have somebody to run the errands. I don't do anything with. I don't have to. You walk the dogs, the dogs get groomed. You have somebody to pick up the dry cleaning. Dry cleaning. You literally could pay somebody just to have sex. Because that's really all that I do. And it really never. I'm thinking, Ocho, that I'm like, hey, she really liked this. She got it. You know, she got it made.

[Chad Johnson]

Right, Right.

[J.R. Smith]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That is what she wanted. Yeah. She wanted to feel like I had it. She wanted to feel. She had a purpose. She wanted to feel useful.

[J.R. Smith]

You might need. You might need to find her in the black book. You better send her. Hey, I'm telling you right now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah. Nah.

[J.R. Smith]

What? Okay. You ain't got nothing for me to do. Like, I don't see my. Like, what. Who. She. Know what you could do over here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But like I said, I. I've. I've never. I've never gone 5050 with a. With a woman. I've always taken over everything, even guys. I'm 56. I've never had a key to a woman's apartment.

[Chad Johnson]

She had a key to yours?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Did you get it back?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. I changed. Well, that's. What. That's. I. I'll tell that story another time with y'all.

[J.R. Smith]

Hold on, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But no, I've never. I've never. I've never had a key, and I've. I even. She's never left me the key. I've never gone to a place of employment and picked up the key and was there. I've never. I've never showed up unannounced at a fee at a woman's home.

[J.R. Smith]

I ain't. I ain't never show unannounced. But the Keith situation. I don't had a key.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I never had a key.

[J.R. Smith]

Oh, so you never had a key? Who, me? You had a key, dog.

[Chad Johnson]

I got. I got it. I got a key right now. I'm not sure that works.

[J.R. Smith]

I ain't gonna lie.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Got military training don't do that. Real got military training.

[Chad Johnson]

I got my guy. I got my bulletproof vest.

[J.R. Smith]

Hold on. So. So, so. So we use the names and we talking because I. I seen the comments and. Ocho, what's going on, man? Talk to me, dog.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, no, we good. You know, man, that. That so goddamn fake.

[J.R. Smith]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, she working on herself. And hey, yeah, that's what needs to happen.

[Chad Johnson]

And that's just so goddamn fake.

[J.R. Smith]

Saying no more.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, man, hell, no matter. I. I was gonna say something. I said, you know what? I ain't even gonna give a table legs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You shouldn't. Yeah, yeah, but you better go. You better go get that plate.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Hey, I, I, I talk. I talk. I talk. I talked to. I talked to Sister Day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know you did.

[Chad Johnson]

And I like, hey, what you think about Thanksgiving? Can I come get a plate?

[J.R. Smith]

Like, Thursday?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you could come see your child. You come see your child. I don't know if I'm gonna feed you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you can play that. One thing I know about my niece, you gonna make sure you fed.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You get your ball. Black, bald head. You know what about. She gonna be. She ain't gonna let you go way empty handed. She ain't gonna let you go, daddy.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, but no, that's, that's, that was, that was important.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But hey, in all honest this week, do women in today's society, do they still clean?

[J.R. Smith]

No, they straighten up. That's different, dog.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, I heard that term a long time. That's an old ass turn there.

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah, they straighten up. They don't clean. I ain't got a lot of, man. I got. I got a solid one. She. She be throwing down. Like, we still got service and. But like, for her background and where she come from. Yeah, it's a humbling experience for her and me. So it's like, it's an appreciation level on both sides to be like, oh, damn. Like, I know you're not. This is you out of your realm and you out of your element. But you pick up the slack here. And I feel like it works both ways. So it's like, it's hard to find that balance.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, ain't nothing wrong with that, bro. Hey. Because I've never. I mean, I'm trying to think. I've never not had someone to, like, clean.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I have a service that comes in three times a week. Normally had a service come in two times a week. They wash, they iron, they fold. Yeah, you know, I have, I have.

[J.R. Smith]

I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If, If I didn't tell you you wouldn't know that I have animals because everything is so clean and so in place, so forth and so on. But. But I can get it. I can get how someone that's in my life would feel useless. Yeah, I've never booked a hotel room. I've never booked a reservation. I've never booked a rental car. Somebody's always done that for me.

[J.R. Smith]

People don't understand that, though. Like, they don't. They don't get that logic or, like, understanding of, like, wait, what? Nobody's ever like, no. Like, I've never done that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Never.

[J.R. Smith]

Like, never.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I wouldn't even know. I wouldn't even know how to get on. I wouldn't even know how to get on the thing and get a ticket. I've been paid $10,000 to go from here to go from. Go from LA to Atlanta. And I mean, I got on the wrong flight because I was like, oh, I thought I. But, hey, I'm gonna get back. You know what? I'm gonna book myself. I'm Book myself a ticket. I'm gonna book myself my own flight, my own ticket. But I gotta get. Hold on. How would I. I gotta. I gotta get all that. I have to, like that delta.com or something. Huh? I just can't, like, just.

[Chad Johnson]

Nah, nah. Spirit, spirit, Spirit dot com.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How would I book a hotel? Oh, there's an app. What about hotel? How I book a video?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, Expedia.

[J.R. Smith]

That's obvious.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay, I'm gonna do that. I will book my own flight. I don't need nobody to book my flight.

[Chad Johnson]

There you go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And shaking the head.

[J.R. Smith]

That ain't gonna go well. As already know. Yeah, he gonna show up, no car, he got no bags back. He'll not work.

[Chad Johnson]

He gonna put the wrong. He gonna dating terminal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I'm afraid of, Ocho. And get there and I'm gonna be mad. Well, Mr. Boy.

[J.R. Smith]

Oh, oh, that's December 31st.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, I will Let shall handle that. A woman started a very intense debate on Twitter this week. When y'all wash your body, do y'all. You. Oh, hold on. No, no. When y'all wash your booty, Ain't nobody booty. Do y'all wipe up and down or do you stick your. Oh, whoa, there it is, right on your screen, Ocho.

[J.R. Smith]

That sound aggressive.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, that's. That's real aggressive. Very. It's very personal. But you always. It's always front to back. Now, you know that you. You know that you always front to back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you use the Same clothes to wipe your butt where you wash your face with.

[Chad Johnson]

You have two washcloths, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

My ass. Is my face one of them. I ain't got but one. That's too much laundry.

[J.R. Smith]

I don't wash my. Wash my face with a washcloth, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What, you wash it with your hands? Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You got them gloves, the loofah?

[J.R. Smith]

No, I got the gloves, and then I got an exfoliant that I also put in my hand and, and do the explosion. I don't. I don't do all of the wash clothes. That's. That's too wild for my face.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, for me. For me, obviously. When you say it's too much laundry, though, you know, I. Every time, you know, when I travel, you know, I only bring one outfit no matter where I'm going. Sometimes more than three days, I'm away. That every goddamn day. Because I leave room in my suitcase. Because I steal all my hotel towels. So it keeps me from having to buy towels, because if you buy towels from Walmart, you buy towels from Target, they never dry you off the right way. So I always steal the hotel towels because they already broken in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Dermatologist told me I needed to stop.

[Chad Johnson]

And want to wash my body.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that. The dermatologist told me I need to stop using the. The, The.

[J.R. Smith]

The.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The. The towel. The cloth that I washed my body with. She said I didn't need to use that on my face.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you're not supposed to. Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What, man?

[Chad Johnson]

What are you doing?

[J.R. Smith]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you thought. Hold on. So you thought we had two towels? You thought we had two face clothes?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, you talking about back then. I'm talking about now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just. I just stopped doing that about five years ago.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, you tripping, man. So you had. You.

[J.R. Smith]

You.

[Chad Johnson]

You wipe your ass and wipe your.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Face, too, and my ass is my face. Nah, dog, you make it feel like. Oh, hold on, Ocho. You want to do all that, but you got. But you buried. But you bear faith. Nose deep in somebody booty. But you worried about how clean your face.

[J.R. Smith]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Chad Johnson]

I be buried face, nose deep in one booty.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, but it's still booty.

[Chad Johnson]

It's clean.

[J.R. Smith]

Oh, for sure.

[Chad Johnson]

I clean it.

[J.R. Smith]

Wait, what? You talking about your lady? Yeah, I'm scuba down for sure.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Worried about using the face clothes that you wash your butt with and put it on your face. But you got your face implanted.

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah, 100.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, but that. That's different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, man.

[J.R. Smith]

My first child, the shower. I'm not talking about she done walked around all day and she ain't doing a three hour spin class.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All that you can't do. Sweet. Hey, listen, catching straight out the car.

[J.R. Smith]

No, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, yeah. Hey, hey, that's natural. That's natural.

[J.R. Smith]

You said that's natural.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, yeah, yeah, that's natural, man. That's that, that natural order.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, Ocho, you see how you do too much? You see, I said.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm just being honest. And I hate, I hate that we had to go in this direction, but.

[J.R. Smith]

I respect your honesty.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, yeah, man.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, hey, on one day I say, hey, AJR uncle living in the 50s, man. I told him he gonna have to evolve at some point. Everybody use an Apple. He on IBM.

[J.R. Smith]

Wait, what?

[Chad Johnson]

It's 2024 and at some point you're gonna have to put on your school.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta look here, I'm done with computers. Last time I tried to do something, I F that up. So Even in my TVs I'd be having to call Ash. Ash have to come over here and straighten the TVs out because all the passcodes in her name. So Ash have to drive over to my house and sit everything straight. Ash, are you on the TV right now? Can they say too many TVs on?

[J.R. Smith]

So you're not an app guy, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, hell no.

[J.R. Smith]

So you ain't subscribing to nothing and doing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't got nothing. I ain't got. Hey, I ain't got no. No Uber eats no doordash. No, I'm saying I ain't got no. I ain't got no door. I ain't got no Uber. I ain't got no liquor. I ain't got no ride share. I ain't got nothing. I ain't got no Venmo. Whatever, Cash, whatever, whatever. I ain't got no email. I ain't got nothing.

[J.R. Smith]

You got no email?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Call me 98, bro, when I was at CBS, they tried to have sent me. They. So it's like, well, you need to get an email. They set me up an email account and then they would call and tell me what was on the email. So I never opened the email. I said, you just told me so I don't need no, I don't need to check it. You just told me we sent you an email. That's telling that we changed itinerary, we changed the schedule gonna become. I said, okay, Shelly has an email. Shelley, get it read. Shelly, what does it say? But I need you to screenshot it, send it to Me in text form. Boom. We good?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[J.R. Smith]

How long?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Shelly, I ain't got no credit card on my phone. Like the. You got an app? I ain't got. Look, I can't.

[J.R. Smith]

Oh, so you had assistant and everything? Your whole. Your whole career?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Pretty much, yeah. We were making them. No, no, no. See, my brother had a travel agency, okay? So she booked. She booked all the flights. She booked all the hotels, right? So.

[J.R. Smith]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And, man, oh, man, check this out. I have my. My. My. My girlfriend that I was with for the longest, when she left, shut down everything because everything was on her computer, and she had all the passcodes. I ain't know nothing.

[J.R. Smith]

Oh, hell no.

[Chad Johnson]

You ain't asked for him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

She got. She got. You know, she. She feels she's rolling. She text him to me, and. And, you know, are you okay? Then I had to get. Yeah, she did. Yeah, she texted him, too, because I couldn't get anything. I couldn't. I couldn't control the heat. I couldn't get into the computers because I didn't know the password to get into computers. I couldn't get into anything. I couldn't control the lights. I couldn't control the sound in the house. I couldn't control nothing.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, I just need better context why she left, what you did wrong.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ah, no, no, no, no, no. We broke up.

[Chad Johnson]

I know what you did wrong.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't doing anything wrong. Ocho, we done talked about this situation. She said she wasn't happy. She moved on. It's okay. I ain't the first guy.

[Chad Johnson]

Is she really happy, though?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know. We. I hadn't talked to her in five, six. Five years. Four and a half years, but.

[Chad Johnson]

Why don't you call her back?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I'm good.

[Chad Johnson]

You sure?

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah, I'm proud of 1000% rolling in it right now. He good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got going on swish. That's what. That's what I do. I gotta drive a. When I need to go somewhere. I ain't. I ain't driving nowhere. The only place I'm driving is to the gym. If I got anything that I got to do. An apartment. Hey, Kobe, you busy today? Nah, Mr. Sharp. What you need? I need you to come scoop me. I ain't doing nothing.

[J.R. Smith]

I respect that. Security, too. Like. Like. I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't. Ash and Jordan.

[J.R. Smith]

Well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And they'd be walking. And they be. And they be. They'd be walking. What? Jordan walks so slow. Ash. Ash walks low. You remember the first time we went to New York and guys Slowed out and she was sweating. I'm like, no, I don't, no, I don't, I don't travel with security.

[J.R. Smith]

Are you an on time guy or are you like right before the flight guy?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm on time.

[J.R. Smith]

So you like two hours before the flight? Two and a half hours before the flight. I ain't doing all that.

[Chad Johnson]

I'd be there an hour before the flight.

[J.R. Smith]

There you go. I get an hour.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But normally, but normally I fly Delta 1 of private suites. So I go to the thing before and so I really. Unless, you know, if they have that service, I'll get that. I really don't go inside the belly of the airport.

[J.R. Smith]

They take me. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bring me up to the side of the plane. Something like that.

[J.R. Smith]

That's a good la. That's a good la. Contact.

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Now it's time for our last segment of the day and it's time for Q and A. And plus, when that trap they'd be leaving me. Ash gonna start and get something to eat. She gonna get some coffee. You want anything? I'm like she gonna stop get coffee even if she already had a Cup. On the way to the airport, she gonna get another cup. When we get through the. When we get through security, she gonna go into one of those stores and get something. Anybody want anything? Ash, we just ate. You want anything? Oh, I know you want something. Here you go. I brought you a ginger. Alex. Joy. I do. I do. Drink it. Jordan. He already got, like, six bags of candy. I don't know where he got them from, but he got six bags in his bag.

[J.R. Smith]

I'm rocking out. That's my dog. Skittles.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Johnson said, I'm an ex marathoner and runner's trot are for real. So I guess. I guess that's what you get when you run a marathon and you kind of lose. I mean, I've seen what people lose control of their body, Ocho. And, you know, you lose control of your body. That's a muscle controls, you know, being the ability to go to the bathroom. If you lose control of that, you lose control of your bowel movement, and there you go.

[Chad Johnson]

Understandable. I think that's why. That's why I'm assuming it should be imperative before you run anything long, especially a marathon or before you do a triathlon, you have to be careful or what you put in your stomach before you run.

[J.R. Smith]

I gotta.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Runner's trot is also known as runner's diarrhea or runner's colitis is a condition that caused frequent loose bowel movements during or after a run.

[J.R. Smith]

So, you know this is gonna happen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not to everybody, but I'm pretty sure, like, probably. Yeah. Yeah.

[J.R. Smith]

I'm not doing that. That's a sport I'm not gonna play. You got to find something else.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's kind of like ultra marathon.

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you talk about you running 75, 100 miles or you're running 24 hours, things like that. Yeah. I need to find me a different hobby.

[J.R. Smith]

I can. Different way to make money for myself and then continue to, like, proceed. Nah, dog. Nah, dog. I thought y'all was wild when I heard cats used to peel themselves and all that, like. All right, you know what? I can still. I can still play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[J.R. Smith]

Nah, I can't do that. Nah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Casey Taylor said, yo, Swish. Remember when you were untieing player shoes? I would do it to my teammates and say, junior Smith did it twice in the regular season game against ops. Second time I got a tick.

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah, I need that bread back. Straight up. They find the out of me for that. $50,000 for some shoestrings. The richest pair of shoes I ever non wore.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you could. You could have bought. You could have bought some. Some dead stop something.

[J.R. Smith]

I swear I could have bought a business with that and created my own shoes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, J.J. carver said Ocho live from Harry Potter stairs storage room.

[J.R. Smith]

Oh.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, you talking about. Yeah, yeah, you sitting on the toilet. No, I'm sitting in the bathroom.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's normally what a totally deal.

[Chad Johnson]

No, I'm saying I'm sitting in the bathroom on the outside. So the computer and the camera is set up on the sink. And this is the closet behind me to my right. Right here is the bathroom. The toilet right here. I could sit here and touch the toilet. And the bed is right here to my left. A little tiny. Very nice, though. Very nice.

[J.R. Smith]

How you supposed to sleep in that bed?

[Chad Johnson]

Ain't gonna be no two people, so.

[J.R. Smith]

It just means I was just you. Okay. Not on Thanksgiving, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you gonna try to. He gonna try to go over there. He gonna try go try to go over there. Sweet talk real. Dare you ground real.

[Chad Johnson]

It's too soon. It's too soon, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, stay at your ground real.

[Chad Johnson]

That's right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go there, try to sweet talk you and make him bring a gift.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, Leslie. It's too soon. I'm. You know what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm in the middle.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm away to the 25th of December.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, boy, you dirty Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. There's gonna be opportunity and a chance. It'll be that day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It'll be that day, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah. It gonna be that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you bring out the big gun.

[Chad Johnson]

I ain't got no choice. Look at me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I hear you might as well.

[J.R. Smith]

I can't wait.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Swish. We gonna let you answer this one. 4kt said start. Bench, cut, Bust edition. Darko. Millicich. Hasim Fabit or Anthony Bennett Dark. So you gotta start one bench. One cut. One Darko. Millicich. Haseem the beat. Anthony Bennett.

[J.R. Smith]

I guess Darko is the only one who really actually played. So Darko Sheen, because it was my New York boy and Canadian last Anthony Bennett.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you're gonna start. You're gonna start. Darko, you're gonna bench the beat. And you cutting Anthony Bennett.

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah. I mean, Darko. Yeah. Number two pick.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now you three. No, Anthony Bennett was number one.

[J.R. Smith]

Anthony Bennett was trash. Yeah. What you mean was he was trash? He was bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, the beat was number two though, right?

[J.R. Smith]

Was he to beat? I thought it was like seven or nine or something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What? What pick did the beginning?

[J.R. Smith]

I thought. I feel like he dropped Hashim second. Uconn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He went second. Yeah. Yes. To the Grizzlies.

[J.R. Smith]

Yeah. That's a bad pick. Who else was in that draft?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who else? Who went first stepping.

[J.R. Smith]

That ain't Blake Grid draft, is it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it is.

[J.R. Smith]

It is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Blake was one, so they had an.

[J.R. Smith]

Opportunity to draft Steph. Hey, yo.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hey. Andy had an opportunity to get hardened.

[J.R. Smith]

Oh, my God.

[Shannon Sharpe]

DeMar DeRozan. Steph Curry holiday Teague. Yep.

[J.R. Smith]

Wow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The beat. It was Mikhail Brock said. Hey, guys, I'm a big fan from London and I'm coming to Miami today for the first time. What food spots would you recommend? Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, listen, if you're going to Miami, you gotta. You gotta try. Write this down real quick. If you're going to Miami, listen to me. I mean, we don't get the tootsies. Kayvon Webster, very good friend of mine, has a spot called Smith and Webster. Write that down. Webster, then, is a friend of mine that I grew up with. Childhood friend who also has a place in Liberty City. You don't have to worry about anything. Liberty City is gentrified now. It's called. I crave. You'll like that. Try I crave. Another spot that I frequent is a Cuban spot that you might like. Is called Havana. Cuban cuisine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. And after that, there. There are a bunch of five star restaurants that I never go to that you will love that are on south beach and those I put that I'm sure you probably going with the Mrs. Or something. You can enjoy those miles.

[J.R. Smith]

Prime.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. The three I gave you are for me. The price point is cost efficient for the way I like to spend. Outside of that, the rest of the restaurants, the five star stuff, you on your own.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, must love cash.

[J.R. Smith]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Shannon. Ocho. Seems like you're interested in a younger woman with a mature, successful millennial who can cook. Be your type. PS she would pass gas in private at all times. Asking for a friend.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, she asking for herself. She's shooting that shot.

[J.R. Smith]

Wait, hold on. Why did you say pass gas in private?

[Chad Johnson]

Because he say women can't pass gas in front of him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you got to go to the bathroom. You ain't going to do that in front of me.

[J.R. Smith]

I hear you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm old school. Swish.

[J.R. Smith]

I hear you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now we're not.

[J.R. Smith]

It's hard, man. I see. I seen some. I seen some things come out of these things, man, and they about something about 7:15.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[J.R. Smith]

At this point, it's just like two months. I was there for the whole thing. I caught little homie. So for you to let go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I was there Too. But he ain't smell. She didn't smell. My bad.

[J.R. Smith]

Rocking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I know I don't. Hold on. So 1. Here, let me get this right. Ocho. A woman can ask that a man be 6 foot or above, weigh 200 or above, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Make X amount, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Gotta be a provider. Gotta be a provider.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I say, just don't pass gas. Oh, man, I can. Darcy, you want a man to be over 6 foot, you want him to be over 200 pounds, you want him to be able to travel, you wanted to make six figures. You want all that. But if I say a lady, just. Just go to the bathroom and pass gas. I. I'm confused. It seems like when we have stipulations, oh, that's out of the realm of possibility.

[J.R. Smith]

But that's a little harsh, though, huh? Like, to me. Like. Like, to me, if you. If they asking all of that. Like, to me, it's like, okay, if you asking all of that, just don't complain. When I got marathon shape. When I'm in marathon shape and I work like an athlete, and my appetite is built like an athlete. Just make sure you can provide an athlete's meal consistently. And if you can't do that, then it's complaints. And, like, I got a headache. I'm tired.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't care if you. I don't care if you cook like Bobby Flay and Gordon Ramsay. You're not passing gas around me. So this. That's off the table. I don't care if you make 10 million a year. You can out earn me. That ain't happening.

[J.R. Smith]

Oh, no. I put the wig on, I make the bacon. What's happening? You said no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's got to be tripping, huh? Switch. They got to be a line. You got to be a lion. Swish. I don't think that's asking too much just to go to the bathroom to pass gas. By the way, if it have no contest, you dropping them. What?

[J.R. Smith]

Well, what if it's silent, though?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That ain't happen. Swish. Because when I. I'm gonna be. I'm gonna look. I already look.

[J.R. Smith]

So you gonna let yours rip, though?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. No, you won't find a woman that'll tell you that. I've done that in front of her.

[J.R. Smith]

Okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't find a woman to tell you I'm going to the bathroom in front of. I go. When I go to the bathroom and pee, I turn the water on so you can't hear it.

[J.R. Smith]

I ain't gonna lie. I go all the way in the Back, I go to a whole nother bathroom, I go upstairs, I go to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen and I understand, Shannon, that's just natural. Yes, I understand that. It's a body function. We'll take your body so you, since your legs functioning, walk your ass to the bathroom and do it.

[Chad Johnson]

You never know true love until you can use the bathroom with your partner right there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't never had it. It ain't gonna happen.

[Chad Johnson]

My grandmama granddaddy always said, man, when you're comfortable enough to use the bathroom with the door open, you can hold a conversation with your partner. And that is the definition of truth.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What we talking about? Whatever that's important. You wait, you get your stanky ass up out the bathroom. I'm awake. I get my ass out the bathroom. We not fit to talk.

[J.R. Smith]

Let me.

[Chad Johnson]

Listen to me. Stay with me. Now. Some of the greatest conversations of are had when you're using the bathroom because I don't know, I'm There about 30, 40 minutes, you know, so that's a perfect time where I can't run and I can engage and listen to whatever it is you need to say. That's the best time to get whatever.

[J.R. Smith]

You need to get off your window. It's a nice window for you.

[Chad Johnson]

Perfect window.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, a lot of times they don't even know. We don't even know. We got all these, we got all these rooms in this house. We ain't. Hey.

[J.R. Smith]

Or you got money?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you. I mean, at first, when I normally, when I first start dating, man, please. I feel.

[J.R. Smith]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said, hey, you know, man, I sure could use some orange juice. Can you go to the store and get some orange juice? Anything else you need? I go get some.

[J.R. Smith]

Ain't no way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[J.R. Smith]

Ain't no way you sending her out back out outside.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. Or I would go. Or I go. I would go to the guest house. Allow me to go. True story. I had a guest house and, and I had a gym. I had to turn the. It was a three car garage, but I turned it into a gym. I would put my workout clothes and everything. I'm gonna go work out. I'll go to the guest house, go use the bathroom and come back in. I'm like, nah, I didn't feel like it today.

[J.R. Smith]

And Denver or Baltimore, because God damn, that's different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, no, I was in la.

[J.R. Smith]

Oh, this is recent.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. In la when I was in la.

[J.R. Smith]

Oh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But when I was in Denver. When I was in Denver. No, no, no, no, no, you ain't Gonna. You. You're not gonna find one because I don't do that. I don't do that in front of them. I go to. Like I said, we got three, four. We got three, four bathrooms. Hey, I'm gone.

[J.R. Smith]

I don't know. I don't know how you pull that one off. That's. That's a tough one. That's like Superman stepping in the damn phone booth.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I can't. I can't. I. I can't. Because you know what it is, guys.

[J.R. Smith]

My turnaround ain't that fast, dog. I gotta sit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you have to understand, swish. I grew up around women, and so me and my brother was the only ones in the house. That's why I always wear shirts. I don't. I don't. You know, I'm in the. From the shower. I put a. I put lotion on. I got my clothes back on. I don't walk around. I don't walk through my house naked. I don't walk through my house barefooted. Because that's how we grew up. And I remember I was about. About 10 years old, and my grandma said, boy, you know, I have my under just jockey. We call them jockey shorts. My grandma said, boy, put some shorts on over there and put a T shirt on. And from that point on, in front of women, I just felt like, like, okay, I'm not supposed. I'm not supposed to be right walking around like that. And I don't.

[J.R. Smith]

I respect that. I respect the hell out of that. Mine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at Ocho looking at me like, I'll be at that thing, but I swear.

[J.R. Smith]

But running across the damn kitchen table like, man, Doc.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Earl C. Said, junior, how hard is it chasing around Steph and Clay in the finals? Did you prepare differently? If so, what did you do?

[J.R. Smith]

No, I didn't prepare differently. For me, it was. I already had it. Like, by the time I was coming off of guarding them, I was already playing Demar and the Eastern Conference final. So I kind of had like a deny the ball aspect with him with like a D Rose and Jimmy is kind of like the similar. So for me, it was always like, try to make. Make it hard for them to even catch the ball, because if they catch the ball, that's when they most dangerous. So if I don't let them catch it, that's when. That's the only way I honestly used to play it. So for me, my biggest thing, I used to run about six, seven miles a game, which is a lot for NBA game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell yeah.

[J.R. Smith]

Just. Just on trying to, I used to try to focus on beating everybody. Beating a person to their spot more anything because by the time you counter and he, you know, the person make a lob pass or whatever else I can make my at that point I'm relying on athletic ability. But if I'm smart enough to know y'all plays and beat you to the spot, then everything else I can adjust on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thank you ladies and gentlemen. That concludes this edition of Nightcap. We want to thank you for joining us for a very special Nightcap basketball style. I am your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp, bottom left. Your favorite 85, Liberty City's own, the pro Bowler, the all pro, the Bengals ring of fame honoree. That's Chad Ocho. Cinco Johnson, just call him Ocho. The guy to your bottom right is a two time NBA champ. First round draft pick, came into the league. He entered the dunk contest in one of the great three point shooters in NBA history. He was never afraid to take a big shot. No shot was a bad shot for JR Swish Smith. Thank you for joining us. Junior. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that like button. And guys, do us a favor, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from. We want to thank you for mattering, thank you for helping Nightcap matter and thank you, thank you, thank you again and you've. We wish you hopefully your continued support. Please make sure you check check out Shay by laportier. We have it in stock. The holidays. Thanksgiving is Right is next Thursday. You got Christmas after that and you got New Year's. And what better way to have a festive holiday season than with a bottle of Shade by laportier. And always remember to drink responsibly. Please check out my clothing company. That's 84 with 84 being spelled out. And we had new releases dropped. I was hell when I was wearing T shirts. I lied for you before I lied to you. Black nightcap hoodies. Stay with me now is also in hoodie form. And our best sellers, the unknown Ocho Tees also comes in black. We dropped those last week. Quantities are limited, so make sure you grab yours while supplies last. The Cavs defeated the Pelicans 128 to 100. And the Cavs bounced back. Oh, the Cows bounced back. That was it. They beat the Pelicans 128 to 100. The Grizzlies defeated the Celtics. Excuse me, the 76ers 117 to 111. But that wasn't the story. The story was the team meeting they had, and Tyrese Maxey asked Joel Embiid to be on time, not for everything to be on time. We can understand what happens when, when teams start to lose and players are not being accountable. This is what happens. Frustration starts to build and you have to have team meetings what, 12, 13 games into the season. So thank you for joining us for Nightcap. I'm up. He's Ocho, he's Swish. We'll see you next week with Basketball Edition, but we're back tomorrow after Thursday Night Football. Thank you. Good night. God bless the volume. Hey, we all love bacon, right? I mean, who does it? And did you know Oscar Meyer smokes their delicious bacon for 12 hours over real hardwood?

[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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