Nightcap Hour 2: Ryan Garcia JOINS Nightcap + FULL NFL Insiders MOST HATED List + Jerry Jones CREDITS Michael Irvin for HALL OF FAME + MULTIPLE FINES for George Pickens During Season + Antonio Brown HIGH on OWN SUPPLY + Michael Jordan’s 23XI Racing WI...

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 2 — Detailed Episode Summary

Date: February 17, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (“Uncle Chad”/Unk), Ocho (Chad Johnson)
Guest: Ryan Garcia
Notable Topics: Ryan Garcia’s upcoming fight, NFL Insiders' “Most Hated List,” Jerry Jones & Michael Irvin, George Pickens’ fines, Antonio Brown’s legacy, Michael Jordan’s 23XI Racing, and more.

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Episode Overview

This episode is a high-energy, free-flowing discussion, beginning with a featured interview with boxer Ryan Garcia as he preps for his title fight against Mario Barrios. Ocho and Unk explore the complexities of elite sports—spanning loyalty in boxing, NFL controversies, athletes’ personal growth, and the culture of professional success and scrutiny. The tone is candid, humorous, and heartfelt—true to the Club Shay Shay brand, mixing competitive passion with playful banter.

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1. Ryan Garcia on His Upcoming Title Fight (00:31–15:08)

Key Points & Insights

• Obstacle Assessment:

  • Barrios is “a dangerous fighter” because of his reach/height, but Garcia isn’t fazed. He feels experience has prepared him for this challenge.
  • On former trainer Joe Goosen being in Barrios’ corner: Garcia feels it might be more of an advantage for himself rather than a liability, though he admits, “Ain’t no loyalty in this game.” (02:33)

• Future Plans:

  • Garcia is “very interested in the Shakur [Stevenson] fight” if victorious—“just, it gets me going.” (03:53)

• Preparation and Mindset:

  • Garcia shares that this is “one of those things when you’re so innerly confident you just want to show the world what you got.” He emphasizes letting actions speak louder than words (04:33–04:56).
  • He feels “locked in” and addresses his reputation for long layoffs, attributing past time away to circumstances but asserting that loss has made him sharper.

• Consistency in Activity:

  • Garcia stresses the importance of fighting regularly, citing Canelo and Floyd Mayweather as examples of fighters who performed best when active. (05:45–06:13)
  • “In boxing, that’s the main thing… You gotta be active.” (05:45)

• Weight Management and Mental Health:

  • Garcia discusses dieting, training, and making weight easily this camp, and acknowledges fluctuations—from 181 lbs during suspension to 160 “walk-around.” (07:47)

• The Reality Behind Sanctioning Fees:

  • Garcia calls for transparency in where sanctioning fees go, hoping they support retired fighters.

Memorable Quotes

• On past trainers:

  “It would be different if it was somebody that I spent years and years with. But Joe was there for a short time… I know exactly how he trains… If anything, I think it gives me an advantage.”
  — Ryan Garcia (01:52)

• On discipline & personal growth:

  “I didn’t treat my body like a temple… thought I was superhuman… God humbled me in a real way… The greatest things in life come through sacrifice and I needed a reality check and I definitely got it.”
  — Ryan Garcia (09:33–11:15)

• On mental health and recovery:

  “I was in self-destruction mode after the Haney fight… I just wanted to like say fuck everything, I didn’t care about my reputation… It was just self-reflection, therapy, and staying away from toxins.”
  — Ryan Garcia (11:47–13:39)

Timestamps

• 00:31 – Ryan Garcia joins; Barrios fight preview.
• 01:52 – On trainer Joe Goosen changing corners.
• 03:47 – Post-fight plans: eyes on Shakur Stevenson.
• 04:33 – Mindset for returning to the ring.
• 05:01 – Discussion about layoffs and consistency.
• 06:13 – Importance of activity; boxing history.
• 07:43 – Weight management; walk-around weight.
• 08:31 – Sanctioning fees and transparency.
• 09:26 – How to ensure best version shows up fight night.
• 11:47 – Mental health and life changes following adversity.

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2. NFL Insiders: “Most Hated” and “Most Loved” Players List (15:55–20:57)

Key Points & Insights

• Discussion of ambiguous and surprising names on the Vegas insiders list; players like Jalen Hurts and Jake Moody top hated list—hosts find the logic baffling.

• Unk and Ocho debate the criteria for being “hated” or “loved,” highlighting how public perception, social media, and fan bases can warp reputations.

Memorable Quotes

• “Why is Miles Garrett on the most hated list?... Unless you’re a Steelers fan and you’re still holding what happened with him and Mason Rudolph against him, that’s it.”
  — Uncle Chad (19:09)

• On duality: “He’s number five most hated, but he’s the seventh most loved… this app makes absolutely no sense.”
  — Ocho (16:49–19:33)

Timestamps

• 15:55 – Reading through the “most hated” list.
• 16:22 – Debating specific inclusions/exclusions.
• 19:09 – Analyzing Miles Garrett and others’ reputations.

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3. NFL Franchise Transparency & George Pickens Fines (23:33–33:37)

Key Points & Insights

• The Cowboys reportedly fined George Pickens “multiple times”—debate if publicizing this now is a smear campaign.

• Ocho and Unk criticize teams that air dirty laundry and diminish player value, drawing parallels to ex-management comments about LeBron James and the nature of “family” in pro teams.

• Discussion on organizational loyalty, business decisions, and the complicated interplay between player conduct, productivity, and management politics.

Notable Quotes

• “You not only did you take the fine money from me… now you done told the public… put our personal business out here on blast, and you want me to come take a home team?”
  — Uncle Chad (27:54–28:15)

• “Production and tolerance: when production is high, so is tolerance.”
  — Ocho (32:52–33:01)

Timestamps

• 23:33 – News of George Pickens’ fines.
• 24:42 – Is this a PR move by the Cowboys?
• 28:41 – Player loyalty versus organizational loyalty.

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4. Antonio Brown: Talent vs. Accountability (34:00–44:06)

Key Points & Insights

• Josh Jacobs’ story about Antonio Brown being inattentive in meetings but never making a mistake on the field (“high on his own supply”).

• Ocho and Unk reflect on AB’s fall from grace, missed opportunity, and the enabling of star behavior in the NFL.

• Discussion of why tolerance for off-field issues correlates with on-field value.

Notable Quotes

• “He was special… he got high on his own supply… What the Steelers let you get away with, they weren’t gonna let you get away with that at no place else.”
  — Uncle Chad (35:40–36:43)

• “Some of us are able to do it the right way… I love pushing the envelope without crossing the line.”
  — Uncle Chad (42:24–42:40)

• “If you can’t manage a thousand dollars, you can’t manage 10,000. If you can’t manage 100,000, you can’t manage a million.”
  — Ocho (39:39–40:10)

Timestamps

• 34:00 – Antonio Brown’s work ethic vs. discipline.
• 40:10 – Managing success and responsibility.
• 42:24 – NFL’s culture of accountability and longevity.

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5. Success, Envy, and Staying Grounded (46:09–52:09)

Key Points & Insights

• Sharp-tongued segment on community reactions to athletes’ success: “Failure loves company.”

• The myth that successful people owe their detractors anything; how public scrutiny magnifies pressures on stars.

• The “street committee” (internet) is not real—don’t let outside voices change your ambition or celebration.

Notable Quotes

• “Failure loves company… Now you got two unsuccessful people mad at you because you became successful.”
  — Ocho (48:09)

• “The people that had nothing to do with your success, all of a sudden act like you owe them something. I don’t owe you.”
  — Uncle Chad (50:04–50:21)

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6. Quick Hits: Culture, Q&A, and Final Laughs (52:55–End)

Quick Hits

• Dwyane Wade never received an NBA Dunk Contest invite—hosts discuss how this is partly on players to insert themselves.
• Exhibition boxing match rumored between Mayweather and Mike Tyson—hosts are skeptical about the matchup’s appeal and safety.
• Michael Jordan’s 23XI Racing gets a big Daytona 500 win: “Mike was so happy… when you have that competitive edge, you gotta win.” (59:43)
• NASCAR culture, southern roots, and the thrill of the sport.

Q&A Highlights

• Ocho’s history with celebrity boxing (“You don’t play boxing.”)
• Sharpe’s childhood memories in rural Georgia: themes of gratitude and humble beginnings.
• Hall of Fame gatekeeping: “I don’t know what a Hall of Famer is, guys. I really don’t.” (75:36)
• Book recommendations for self-improvement—advice to “be yourself” and not overthink speaking style on air.

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Memorable Moment

Ocho on forgiveness and redemption, referencing Ryan Garcia:

“Is there no forgiveness? Is there no redemption? So anything that somebody says they cannot be forgiven for, is that where we are now as a society? I mean, have you not made a mistake?”
— Ocho (77:34–77:31)

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Episode Highlights by Timestamp

• 00:31 – Ryan Garcia interview begins
• 11:47 – Garcia on mental health after the Haney fight
• 15:55 – NFL “Most Hated/Loved” list
• 23:33 – Cowboys/George Pickens fines and public image
• 34:00 – Antonio Brown: brilliance vs. downfall
• 46:09 – Success, envy, and community scrutiny
• 52:55 – Dwyane Wade/Dunk Contest & Mayweather vs. Tyson
• 59:43 – Michael Jordan’s NASCAR win
• 66:07 – Titans’ ‘baldest’ coaching staff
• 67:03 – End – Audience Q&A, career/growth advice, Shay Shay wrap-up

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Final Thoughts

This episode captures the candid, big-brotherly ethos of Club Shay Shay—mixing locker room wisdom with transparency about life’s tough lessons. Ocho and Unk challenge sports culture myths, celebrate perseverance, and offer an unfiltered look at what it means to succeed and stumble in the spotlight.

Notable Quote of the Night:

“The greatest things in life has come through sacrifice and I needed a reality check and I definitely got it.”
— Ryan Garcia (11:15)

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For listeners new and returning, this episode is a masterclass in sports culture: navigating adversity, authenticity, and ambition—with plenty of laughs and life lessons.

Transcript

[Olympics Announcer]

It's an Olympics you'll never forget. Prime time in Milan. The moments.

[Ryan Garcia]

Chloe Kim with the gold medal.

[Olympics Announcer]

Flex the stars.

[Ocho]

Ilya Malinin.

[Uncle Chad]

Out of this world.

[Olympics Announcer]

The spectacle from beautiful northern Italy with very special guests every night of the Olympics. Experience the world's biggest show, primetime in Milan tonight, 8, 7 Central on NBC. And Peacock.

[Ocho]

All right, guys, welcome to the stage now. He has an upcoming WBC welterweight title fight against Mario Barrios on Saturday. Barrios is working with Ryan's former trainer, Joe Goosen. Ryan, how you doing, bro?

[Ryan Garcia]

I'm doing good. Good to see you, man.

[Ocho]

All right, Ocho, take it away.

[Uncle Chad]

Listen, obviously you have a big fight coming up. Based on film that you've watched, is there anything that you see from Mario that can give you problems in this upcoming fight?

[Ryan Garcia]

Do I think anything that he give me problems?

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah, anything that he does well that might be able to give you problems. You know, obviously, round by round, you have to make certain adjustments as the fight goes on. But based on what you watch from him in previous fights, is there anything that you have to watch out for?

[Ryan Garcia]

Well, you got to watch out for. I mean, obviously he has a good, good height and reach on him, so we gotta, you know, that, that, that faces some challenges, but something that we haven't, you know, seen before. Years of fighting. I don't want to, I guess, go into too much detail. It kind of gives him an idea of what I expect from him. So for me, just. I see some things, but we'll be ready for what he got.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Are you concerned, Are you have. Do you have any concerns, any worries that your former trainer, who you work with in the past, that knows you very well, if you. Is now in his corner training him?

[Ryan Garcia]

No, I really don't. Boxing, you know, it's, it's, it's. I mean, it is part of the. The trainer. But, you know, with Joe, I didn't spend that much time with them. You know, it would be different if it was somebody that, you know, I spent, you know, years and years and years with. But Joe was in there for a short period of time, and if anything, I think it gives me advantage, you know, I know. I know exactly how he trains, exactly how it turns out. I know it ain't what I'm doing. I know I'm doing. I. I definitely see it as more of advantage for me. But I do feel like it's messed up, though. I'm like, damn, why do you.

[Ocho]

Why do you feel this messed up?

[Ryan Garcia]

Just because of the conversations I've had with Joe before and just kind of like, oh, okay. The opportunity came. You took that pretty quick, you know, not even a call, you know, So, I mean, yeah, no hard feelings, right? It's. It's part of the game. But I just felt like that was. That was a little weird. But ain't no loyalty in this game.

[Ocho]

No.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah. I mean, listen, that. That's business. That's the way business works. Obviously, when it comes to trainers, they have an opportunity. Mario saw an opportunity to be able to train with someone that is somewhat familiar with your game. And most of the time, regardless of what they tell them, once you get in the ring, it doesn't matter how much training you do. You still got to go in there and fight. You still got to go in there and land land punches. You still have to go in there with some sort of game plan. And I'm. I'm sure you're going to be ready.

[Ocho]

I'm.

[Uncle Chad]

I'm pretty excited. And what I don't want to do, but I have to ask. I don't want to put the. The. The carriage before the horse. When you win this fight, I'm telling you, you're gonna win. I'm saying it ahead of time. When you win this fight, what do you see next for you as your big mega fight? There's so many different fights all of us want to see you. Devin Haney, maybe Shakur, I think Devon. I mean, Javante Davis right now. I think he's going right now. Is there anything you'd like to see after you get this fight over?

[Ryan Garcia]

You know, right now, I'm not trying to look too far ahead, but.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I said.

[Ryan Garcia]

I've said before, you know, I. I'm really interested in the Shakur fight. Just, it gets me going, you know, and those are the type of fights that you'll see the best out of me. So definitely he's somebody I wanna. I wanna. You know, I want to look into after this fight.

[Uncle Chad]

Sure. Right.

[Ocho]

Barrios is a dangerous fighter. I mean, he ain't no company. It ain't like you just got to walk, you know, you got a Sunday picnic, Ryan. I mean, he's a dangerous fighter. Obviously, we know what you bring to the table, and when you've locked in, you're as good as they have at the division in which you in. Are you locked in? Are you ready to fight? Come Saturday night, can we expect to see the best ryan Garcia?

[Ryan Garcia]

Oh, 100%. You know, I'm. I'm so excited to show everybody you know, it's, it's one of those things when you're so innerly confident, you just want to show the world what you got and what you've been preparing for. So for me, you know, I'm as locked in as I've been, so I can't wait. The opportunity to show you guys. All I can do is say, can't wait to show you. That's it. I mean, I feel like talk is cheap at this point. You just got to do it.

[Ocho]

Why the long layoff? Why the long stretches? I mean, what's going on?

[Ryan Garcia]

You know, my whole career has been like that. You know, I get some momentum and then all of a sudden, you know, stuff happens and I'm forced to take some time off. I don't know, that's just how it's been. But you've seen me when I get some type of consistency in fights and in training camps, you see the best versions of me. So, you know, right here, you know, we went straight to work, you know, after the Rolando fight, we, we took the, we took the loss, but we learned a lot of lessons with it and we got right back to work. So you're going to see a great performance this time around.

[Uncle Chad]

With, after this fight, would it, Ideally, ideally. How many times would you want to fight in 20, 26? Can you see, can you see one? Definitely, you know, before.

[Ryan Garcia]

I definitely can see one more for sure, possibly two, but 101 more. We got to keep it consistent. That's key with me. You got, you got to keep it right, right. You know, in boxing, that's what it, that's what it's about. You know, you got to be active. That, that's, that's the main thing in boxing. You got to be active. And you know, that makes, that's when Canelo was the greatest, you know, when he was active and Floyd and everybody, when they, when they continue fight, that, that's when their best performance are.

[Uncle Chad]

And not only being active, you're one of the few fighters that I think doesn't duck any smoke. You don't care about who the opponent is. You want to fight the best of the best. And for that, if win, win, obviously after this Baros fight, I really look forward to, you know, you being able to get the Shakur fight or maybe you being able to get that rematch with Javante once he gets his issues handled, you know, you know, out outside of the ring. So, man, I, I, I can't wait. I mean, I'm excited. Obviously, Ryan, we, we met Multiple times. You know how much I, I, I love the sweet sign, so I'm really looking forward to it.

[Ocho]

How do you, how do you feel going, coming into this fight? Are you good? Are you where you want to be weight wise? Are you going to be able to make weight? There are no, I don't think there are any rehydration clauses in this and so you'll be able to be, you'll be able to rehydrate, eat and be able to have a great fight come Saturday night. Are you where you want to be? Have you had a great camp? No injuries, no setbacks, just full steam ahead?

[Ryan Garcia]

No, this camp has been amazing. Everything's dialed in from the diet to the training to the sparring, everything's been on point. No problems making weight at all. You know, they just had the seven day check in wait the WBC and I was 149, so I'm right there. That's, it's not even a cut really. So that's what happens when you pay attention to everything and you follow the diet and everything. It's easy. So we definitely gonna have a smooth night come Saturday, right?

[Ocho]

What do you walk around? What's your way? What do you walk around? If, when, when. Let's just say you two months after this fight, what's your walk around weight?

[Ryan Garcia]

I'll say like 160.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah, that ain't nothing.

[Ryan Garcia]

Yeah, 160 is pretty good. But when I was, when I took that year off, well, when they suspended me for a year, I was like 181, 182.

[Uncle Chad]

What?

[Ryan Garcia]

Yeah, this boy was big. This boy was big and it didn't look good either. That's the problem.

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, I, I have a question. I've always wanted to ask this. Obviously not really understanding it when, when it comes to winning, when you win fights and you win belts, whether it's wbc, wba, ibf, the wwbo, what do you, how do you feel, what do you think about sanctioning fees? Do you think sanctioning fees is something that needs to be done away with or do you, do you, do you feel okay with, with paying sanctioning fees?

[Ryan Garcia]

I just think we need to know where the money's going at, to be honest. If you, if you agree to the sanctioning fee, I guess we should know where our money's going to. If it's going to a good cause or if it's going to retired fighters like they say or, you know, because I care about fighters that are retired and have issues. So for me, I just want to know where the, where the money's going. I think that's key for me. I love the rich history of the belts and I love, yes, the organizations that, what it represents and you know, Muhammad Ali held those belts and all these great fighters of the past and I wouldn't want to get rid of them in any way. So for me it's a double edged sword. But there definitely needs to be some new regulations and a little bit more inspection, I guess.

[Uncle Chad]

Right.

[Ocho]

How do we make sure we get the Ryan Garcia that we saw fight Devin Haney, which I believe is one of your best fights.

[Ryan Garcia]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

How do we make sure on Saturday night that Ryan Garcia shows up against Barrios?

[Ryan Garcia]

It's all within me, man. I learned a lot of lessons, especially after the Haney fight. And even what I represented, you know, during the Haney fight, you know, I didn't treat my body like a temple. You know, I definitely just thought I was superhuman. You know, I thought I could just keep on doing stupid things and my talent would take care of everything. But those stuff catch up to you. And God humbled me in a real way. And you know, it's all about being disciplined and making sure that, you know, every part of your body is working like a system. And once I understood that and I really took time, you know, after my fight with Rollies, just to really learn myself, learn my body. And then I just started building momentum and then I felt like myself again for the first time in, in a long time. And I think that's when I seen the light again and I was like, okay, I'm really that guy. My hands are really that fast. I'm really that guy. When I'm locked in, I'm that guy. Nobody can really touch me. Like then I just felt that way then. Like it just carried over all the way through camp. And then now I'm just in love of just making sure I'm the sharpest, the cleanest I could be and just healthy and just like, I just know nobody could like really mess with me when I'm at my top, my top of my top game because I'm fast, I'm twitchy and I just, I'm on everything. So you know, I fell in love with that. I'm like, damn, what am I doing? Like I really got it like that. I cannot giving it up for whatever reasons. You know, it's all about sacrifices in life. The greatest things in life has came through sacrifice and I needed a reality check and I Definitely got it.

[Ocho]

How do you, what have you done? There have been some negative comments to your reputation, maybe some of the things you've said, some of the things that you've done, but what are some of the concrete changes that you've made in your life to make sure the things that, that have transpired that kind of, kind of held you back, kept you from being the best person that you can be. What are some of the changes that you made, be it personnel in your life, maybe the steps that you've taken that make sure that we don't get the. A year and a half ago, two years ago. Ryan Garcia yeah, I mean a lot.

[Ryan Garcia]

Of it had to do with just, you know, mental health issues. So we definitely started there and then we had to, you know, really take a step back and realize what's really going on. You know what I mean? It's like why am I drinking so much? Why am I crashing out so hard about certain things and you know, not caring about myself. I was in self destruction mode after the Haney fight. I just, after feeling like I was set up and you know, and, and just feeling like so it was so injustice because in my heart, yeah, I may have been drinking and doing all that, but I never, never took steroids in my life and I, I'll go down to my deathbed with that and it just hurts me because I got tested the whole time through and it really damaged my heart and I just wanted every, I just wanted to like say fuck everything. I don't care about anything. I don't care about my reputation. I just lost it. Like I definitely went into a manic state of just not giving a. You know what I mean? And it really destroyed a part of my life and a part of my reputation, part of my relationship with God, everything. I just, I wanted to tear everything down, everything. So it was just self reflection therapy and staying away from toxins that will mess with your brain, you know, you don't. Drinking is not good kids. And I would go into the healthy lifestyle, you know, if you could learn sooner rather than later do it. And yeah, I may have kicked his ass off a couple shots, but don't you think that's possible to do it again and again might not ever happen again, you know, it'll never happen again for sure. I don't know how I won that fight, but basically, yeah, just cleaning my lifestyle, making, making those changes in my life, in my heart and shifting my eyes towards God and that's really what did it for me.

[Ocho]

I respect that Bro, for you, accepting. For you taking accountability, and says, hey, I've made some mistakes in my life. I understand the mistakes that I've made, and I'm doing. I'm doing the best job I possibly can to make sure this Ryan Garcia going forward is something that I can be proud of, my family, my fans can be proud of. So, Ocho and I take my hat off to you, bro. Congrats.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah, most definitely. I just.

[Ryan Garcia]

I just, like, at this point, it's like, I'm fighting for a world championship. And, you know, part of me is like, maybe it's good. I never really got that championship. Yeah, I got the fame and, yeah, I had all the money and everything, but to represent what a champion really is, I don't think I was ready to do that. You know what I mean? It's, like, to be a champion, I see, like, an honorable dude that you want to. You want to see, like, damn. That's how he holds himself. You know what I mean? I know I'm ready for that now. Like, when I get that title, I'm gonna hold it proudly, and I'm gonna. I'm gonna kick ass. And we're not running from no smoke as the champion. I promise you that. That's 100%. After Saturday night, I'm ready to rumble again. I ain't gonna just keep hold of that belt.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And. Well, I tell you what. You win Saturday night, come back on here and tell us how you did it.

[Ryan Garcia]

Oh, okay. Dang. I got the invite already back.

[Uncle Chad]

Let's go.

[Ocho]

Hell, yeah. You got the invite.

[Uncle Chad]

You.

[Ocho]

You come back anytime you like, man. Well, hey, look, best of luck. You look like you're in great. You're in great shape. You're in great spirits. You said you had a great camp. Ocho and I, the Nightcap family, wish you the absolute best of luck, and we look forward to talking to you down the road.

[Ryan Garcia]

Hey, see you guys soon.

[Ocho]

All right, bro. Appreciate you, man.

[Ryan Garcia]

Peace.

[Ocho]

That's him. Ryan Garcia takes on Mario Barrios. It's gonna be a great fight, but we'll have it here. You know, we're live. We're back Saturday night after the fight to give you all the details round by round to see what happened.

[Olympics Announcer]

It's an Olympics you'll never forget. Prime time in Milan. The moments.

[Ryan Garcia]

Chloe Kim with the gold medal.

[Olympics Announcer]

Flex the stars.

[Ocho]

Ilya Malinin.

[Uncle Chad]

Out of this world.

[Olympics Announcer]

The spectacle from beautiful northern Italy with very special guests. Every night of the Olympics, experience the world's biggest show, prime time in Milan. Tonight eight, seven Central on NBC. And Peacock Ocho.

[Ocho]

Here's the list back to the NFL most hated players. Here's the full list from Vegas insiders. Can you see it?

[Uncle Chad]

No, I can't. If asking. Just text that to me so I could really chime in on this. I like this. I want to see.

[Ocho]

Who's Josh Allen? He number 17 for the most hated, but he's number one for most loved. Kenneth Gantt is number two for most love. Cam Ward, number three. Bo Nicks.

[Ryan Garcia]

Number four.

[Ocho]

Ty Robinson is number five. Jaden Daniels. Six. Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones is number five most hated, but he's the seventh most loved. Russell Wilson, number eight, most love. Justin Field. Number nine, Aaron Rodgers. Number 10, Sam Darling. Baker Mayfield. Trevor. I don't know who put this head on Trevor Lawrence, but this ain't Trevor Lawrence.

[Uncle Chad]

Okay, I got, I got, I got, I got the list in front of me. And most hated, obviously being Jalen hurts. Jake Moody. How in the hell did Jake Moody. How is he the most. Who the hell voted on this?

[Ocho]

Don't start me lying.

[Uncle Chad]

I mean, hey, listen, I can understand Luther Burton. Luther Burden has had some issues, you know, some issues, obviously, on social media, a lot of people going back and forth. Hey, Unk, no disrespect, but people hate Cole Strange, bro.

[Ocho]

I'm thinking he a tight end, right? Ain't he a tight end from. From Jacksonville? He from Jacksonville or Miami?

[Uncle Chad]

I see Miami. Desean Watson. I mean, we, we understand. Tyreek Stevenson.

[Ocho]

Okay, man. I'm trying to figure out how these offensive linemen and some of these players.

[Uncle Chad]

Like, like, bro, hey, you know, some of this really doesn't make sense to me. Most of the time, players that are hated are those that have are always at the forefront or those that are very active. So, so this is, this is confusing me. We see Justin Fields on here, we can kind of understand why people hate Justin Fields. Obviously dread the jets not having any success. Anthony Richardson, the ups and downs and that he's had in his career, we can get it. Shamar Stewart, we can see Bengals fans being upset at him. I can understand why he's made this list. Aaron Rodgers, I mean, he rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Obviously. Either you like him or you don't. There's really no in between with him. Zach Wilson. Who doesn't like Zach Wilson? I love Zach Wilson.

[Ocho]

What?

[Uncle Chad]

Anybody that doesn't like Wilson. Is something wrong with you?

[Ocho]

He'll not play.

[Uncle Chad]

I, I again, exactly. Why do people not like Zach Wilson?

[Ocho]

Cooper Rush.

[Uncle Chad]

What all right. I see Joe Burrow on. On this list. I think people don't like Joe Burrow because, I mean. I mean, for very. For obvious reasons. I mean, Joe Burrow, he has a. He has a supermodel as a girlfriend. I mean, he looks like a damn supermodel his damn self, and he's the quarterback of the best team with the best dual. Dual threat. And. And I understand why they hate him. Yeah, this. This is a cool list. Hold on. Why is. Why the hell is Cooper Rush on here?

[Ocho]

Tell me. So we both know.

[Uncle Chad]

Why Josh Allen all the way at 17? Why is Miles Garrett on the most hated list? What is there to hate? Unless you're still. Is a Steelers fan and you're still holding what happened with him between him and Mason Rudolph against him. That's pretty much it. And Cam Ward. What the hell did Cam Ward do? What did Cam Ward do to be on the list of most hated?

[Ocho]

Number three for most loved.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah, this. This. This app makes absolutely no sense.

[Ocho]

Look at Josh Allen. He number one for most love. Kenneth Grant.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah, I. I, I don't know. I don't know who made this. Hey. Who the hell is it? That ain't Trevor Lawrence. Who is that with the dreads?

[Ocho]

Don't. Don't start.

[Uncle Chad]

They got Travis. Oh.

[Ocho]

And that ain't Travis Hunter either. Oh, it is. Yeah, it is. It is.

[Uncle Chad]

Yes. Yeah. Hey, that. That. That. That list is weird. It's. It's kind of weird. You kind of understand why some people hate certain people. Obviously, Jalen hurts. He get his. His hate is. Is. Is. Is. Is well renowned because people do it publicly, whether whether it's players, whether it's analysts, whether it's pundits, and whether it's fans. But. But some of the people on here, it just. It makes no sense.

[Ocho]

No.

[Uncle Chad]

What the hell did Josh Moody do? What did Jake Moody do? Excuse me?

[Ocho]

I mean, Rashad Slater got hurt. Why you hating him? The man got hurt.

[Uncle Chad]

Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones barely even talks. I barely heard him. I barely hear him talk. All he does is he leaves New York, he goes to goddamn Indianapolis and changes the trajectory of that franchise until he got hurt. I don't know. It's a confusing list.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah. Jake Moody was the guy that kept missing those. He missed those kicks for the 49ers. Remember? They released it because he. He was hooking. He was. He was kicking. Issued in the San Francisco Bay.

[Uncle Chad]

Okay, okay, so. So It's. It's the 49er fans that. That hate him then, obviously.

[Ocho]

Okay, I'm assuming everybody. It's the fans that voted on this. You know, they didn't get no team vote.

[Uncle Chad]

Oh, that's messed up. Hey, that's funny. Hey, that's funny. As long as I'm not on the list, that's all that matter.

[Ocho]

Oh, Jared Jones became a Hall of famer in 2017, but he says it never would have happened without the presence of one key player. Jerry said, I have a gold jacket. I wouldn't have the gold jacket had Michael Irvin not played for the Cowboys in a manner of speaking, to be involved and be around winning mentality or that winning physicality. When Michael says it, I listen.

[Uncle Chad]

Oh, yeah, I like. I like Jerry giving Mike praise, you know, for him getting his gold jacket. But, hell, if Mike didn't play there, he still would have got that gold jacket. Regardless.

[Ocho]

Jerry, Michael. Michael was a heartbeat. He was a heartbeat of that team that Michael was. And it's not very often that the leader of your team was a wide receiver, but playmaker was it. He was. He was the heartbeat of that. You see him on the sideline. It's Michael that's getting. Paul's getting in everybody's ass. It's Mike. I mean, Troy. Where every once in a while. But normally it was Mike, right? Do your damn job right.

[Uncle Chad]

But this one, she over here. Knocked out. Can you see her? Hold on.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Chad]

Papa.

[Ocho]

You know, it wasn't gonna be long.

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[Ocho]

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[Ocho]

Ocho the Cowboys reportedly. You're not gonna like this. Ocho the Cowboys reportedly find George Pickens multiple times this season, per Todd Archer is not necessarily the content of the report, but the timing. Ocho did the cow. Are the cowboys trying to launch a smear campaign against George Pickett to try to tank his value?

[Uncle Chad]

I mean. Nope, you're not gonna be able to tank his value anyway, you know, regardless of what. Whatever fines he did have or whatever fines he received, his value is based on his production on the field. His value is based on his production on the field. In between those white lines. Now what. Whatever. Whatever sanctioning bodies find them, for whatever reason may maybe been being late and all that stuff, but they purposely do stuff like this on purpose. They purposely do stuff like this on purpose. To kind of diminish your value. Hey, if he was late and you had to find him, you know what? Let him go. Let him. Let him go and watch what happens on the open market. Let him go. You know, so what's the point of coming out with this now? They always do stuff like this. Always.

[Ocho]

My thing is, oo, why talk to me?

[Uncle Chad]

Talk to me nice.

[Ocho]

If he did that during the season, why we didn't find out about it during the season?

[Uncle Chad]

Oh, you know why?

[Ocho]

I mean, we did find out one. Him and CD was late when they was here in Vegas. They missed the bus. We found that. But why are we finding out that he got fined multiple times? And people that, you know, get. Why, like, people. Oh, no, you supporting Braun, you supporting LeBron. I say no. If David Griffin felt like that, he should have said that when he was there. The reason why we're getting out of the Eastern Conference, because people, y', all, when OO and I was going back and forth, a lot of you guys sided with OO said, yeah, just tell the truth. I like when people tell the truth. So why didn't David Griffin say that, then? That the reason why LeBron James is not as good as y' all believe he is? The Eastern Conference is just weak.

[Uncle Chad]

It was weak.

[Ocho]

Why didn't he say that then? Don't wait till you without a job to try to take your shots at him. That was. That was the time for you to say that. You could have said that. Say, man, look here, I know y' all like to think that what we're doing is unbelievable, but you got to look at the conference that we're in. It's not very good. Say it then. Be that guy if you want to be that guy.

[Uncle Chad]

Now, you know he wasn't gonna stand on business like that. He wasn't gonna stand on business and say that while he's a part of that franchise by LeBron, but now he.

[Ocho]

Wants to try to. If I want to try to diminish you, what I do. So now what LeBron. What LeBron is. Has done is not that. Because if you look at the east, well, then why didn't nobody else come out of east if it was that weak? So there. Hold on. There's 30 teams. So there are 15 other teams. So why didn't nobody else from that stretch that LeBron was in the East? Why didn't nobody come out of there if they were better than. He was.

[Uncle Chad]

Just talking, just to be talking. Just talking, just to be talking.

[Ocho]

That's all I'm just. I just want to know if it's not that big, if it's. If it's not that big of a deal. Ocho, he should have been able to teach. Have been able to, like, you know what? Hey, LeBron ain't that. Hey, LeBron ain't like that now. But no, you realize. You know what it was. The man had eight 40 point games in one playoff run alone. Eight average, 34 points a game for the entirety of the playoffs. Don't try to. All I'm saying is if you want to make a point, I just believe in a situation instead of just say, look, we had the best player on the planet, and we knew if we had guys that can make timely shots, we had a chance to be successful. There is no guarantee. But when you say, oh, the conference was weak, Even if. Even if Jerry Krause thought the Eastern Conference, he wasn't gonna say that about Mike.

[Uncle Chad]

Mm, Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

[Ocho]

And.

[Uncle Chad]

And hold on. I. I like. I like this because this is good. You mean. Wait a minute. You want me to play for a franchise that's telling my business? Wait, hold on.

[Ocho]

Hold on.

[Uncle Chad]

Well, hold on.

[Ocho]

This.

[Uncle Chad]

This is something that happened in house. Give me. You not only did you take the fine money from me, you know, and allowed you to take it out my check, but now you done told the public. Yeah, you don't put. You didn't let. You didn't let what? I consider the family put our personal business out here on blast, and you want me to come take a home team?

[Ocho]

Yeah, I did that.

[Uncle Chad]

Oh, you wanna. Oh, you want. Hold on. You want a franchise? Tag me. Nah, nah, nah. Y'. All. Y' all got me messed up, man. I'm NFL young, boy. I tell you what. I tell you what. Let me go about my business. Let me go on by.

[Ocho]

We ain't gonna tell nothing else. I promise. We ain't gonna put no more of your business out there, Ocho. Nah, that was just one time. That was a slip.

[Uncle Chad]

Nah, that ain't no. Ain't no slip. You let me know how. I can't. I. You know what? I don't want to be. I don't want to be a part of no family where everything that go in the house, it get out the house. I can't be here. I'm good. I'm good. Are you trying. Y' all trying to make me look bad? Y' all trying to embarrass me in public? Okay, I see what it is.

[Ocho]

Were you not excited to get to work? I was Excited to go to work, Ocho.

[Uncle Chad]

It's different. It's different though. I lived in the damn stadium.

[Ocho]

But you lived there for the first three years you played. Okay, you played the first two years. What about the other eight years?

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, I, I would have tried to be the first one there. So I get to the stereo system bad.

[Ocho]

Damn that stereo, sister. I was getting there. I wouldn't have no special te. Hey, I remember I had Frank, my special teams coach. I had like with hands team. We had Rich Smith, we had Frank Bush, we call it brother Banes. I was like, man, look, here we go over that on the field.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

To come and be there for five minutes and then they talk about, okay, if you're on the hands team, you can leave. We go that on the field.

[Uncle Chad]

Please. Hey, but, but, but, but, but, but. All jokes aside, I, I, I don't like it. I don't like it. You have a 53 man roster. You have one of your better players that had somewhat of a good season who's had slip ups in the past. He's had issues in the past, whether it be on the field or off the field. And, and the fact that he's on a new team, had an exceptional year, had an exceptional year this year. Obviously he's looking to get paid based on his production and the fact that something like this comes out purposely on purpose to diminish his value. Again, I don't think he can diminish his value anywhere else, especially if he's able to get, get in onto that market. I'm sure maybe if the, the, the, the, the Cowboys, you know, did what was best for them, they, they let him go and get some pieces and get some, some, some, some other things that they need because they're, they're other questions that need answers on the defensive end instead of having everything front loaded offensively and not being able to stop anybody. That ain't gonna get you nowhere. I mean, it's unfortunate. I promise you. He wouldn't have any slip ups. He had one, you know, and, and one, one is good. One is good for a player that's improving, that's working on it.

[Ocho]

That ain't what this thing said. This thing said he had multiple. You do realize multiple is more than one.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah, yeah, he would, he would just leak. He was just late, you know, you know, the red light catches some time on, you know, the red, you know how the red lights is.

[Ocho]

This man here, Chad, y' all hear this man, hey, you know, you know, as long as the blue light don't catch you. You okay?

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah. That's it. That's it. That's it. But hell, hey, this. If. If I'm Day. If I'm David Mulaguer, I like the fact that. I like the fact. See, I can't even trust this organization to do right by my player. This is someone that. That you. Oh, we can't even trust you in house. How you let this get out the house? Nah, man, I don't want nothing to do with this, man. Go ahead. Let me get my walking papers. Don't worry about it. We good. Why? You know why it's not gonna happen? Because you understand the battle. You understand how good he is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

And the thing is, Jerry probably gave him that money back. Because that's the one thing about Jerry. If you play well, Jerry ain't looking at Jerry like he. Jerry like to party him damn self. Now, he really got a little old now. He can't party like he once could. But Jerry like to have a good time his damn self. So Jerry ain't gonna hold that against you. If you go out there and ball. Yeah.

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, that's all he care about.

[Ocho]

The man just saying. Playmaker. He got a gold jacket called a playmaker. Did anybody go harder than Mike? And he my dog.

[Uncle Chad]

Come on now.

[Ocho]

So Jerry don't cut down.

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, I'm picking up what you're putting down.

[Ocho]

If. If you handle your business on the field.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

All is forgiven with Jerry.

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, hey, wait, listen. Winning, winning and being productive cures all. Winning and being productive. If you can't win, at least be productive. Now that both of them can't. Can't be horrible. You can't be losing and not.

[Ocho]

Correct. Correct. No, Ocho, there's another one. Production intolerance. When production is high. So it's tolerance.

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, you say it all the time.

[Ocho]

Hey, you saw what George Pickens did. He was second team all pro. Could have easily been first team all pro. So if you missed meetings. Being late to meetings or late to practice or late to whatever. Mr. Bus. Oh, man, we left a little early anyway. I'm telling you. But Pick. Get your money, man.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Don't let them people play with your money. Get your money.

[Uncle Chad]

Raiders, huh? Now, I was just. I was just scheming Raiders, that's all.

[Ocho]

Oh, I can see. Go ahead.

[Uncle Chad]

Now, I was just saying I can see it now. When you landed in Vegas, huh? Hey, Jord A. Pickens, listen to me. When you land in Vegas, right? And as you landing on the spear, you can see A picture of George Pickens on the spear. That's how they gonna have it when he come in. When he come in. When he. When he signed with the Raiders.

[Ocho]

You might be right.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah. Okay, go ahead.

[Ocho]

Go ahead. Packers running back Josh Jacobs spoke about playing with Antonio Brown with the Raiders in 2019. This is what Jacobs had to say. He be in meetings on his phone, and he ain't even hiding it, that he's on his phone. The only person to go out there in the field and never miss up, mess up a play. The hardest worker ever.

[Uncle Chad]

That's always been him.

[Ocho]

Oh, Joe.

[Uncle Chad]

That's always been AB how you want Ocho?

[Ocho]

How you own in the meeting on your phone?

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, when he touched that field, you know what you get? He's one of the hardest workers. You got to understand me and A.B. me and A.B. been working out together since 2001. Every off season. He wasn't even in NFL yet every off season. So I already know why the product on the field looked the way it did, because we all work the same way. We work the same way every single off season. I'm not sure at what point in our career did things go that way, because I understood what it took for us to even get to the NFL. I don't. I don't know. When he went off track a little.

[Ocho]

While, you became great and kept that same focus. He became great. And they let stuff slide. Production intolerance. So when he missed a meeting, they let it slide. When he was late for practice, they let it slide. Remember the last game of the season? He was supposed to play and he was late. He showed up 30 minutes before they supposed to kick off. And Mike Tomlin deactivated. Remember that? So that's the difference, what you did is that you became great and you still showed up on time. And he used that title like, damn, okay, I can get away with stuff. That's the difference.

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, he was special.

[Ocho]

Yes, I believe he came. He had another 300 catches in him, another 3,000 yards, another 30 touchdowns. Yes, he did. He was. But he got high on his own supply. You got to realize, Ocho, what the Steelers let you get away with, they weren't gonna let you get away with that at no place else. What your first relationship let you get away with, nobody else will because they know the backdrop and they know how it ended with them. So even though we let you get away with it, you see what happened. So I got to hold you accountable. Everybody knew the story. The man they had a walk through in the hotel Ocho, how do you miss a walk through in the hotel ballroom? You in the hotel. Ocho. Ocho, we got a meeting going on in your backyard. All right. Damn. Everybody there?

[Uncle Chad]

What the hell?

[Ocho]

Ocho, it's in your backyard. How you miss that?

[Uncle Chad]

Right?

[Ocho]

It just, and, and it just got. Got to the point he, he didn't get it. He didn't get it. I wish there was someone that could have reached him that could have that AB had a five year, six year stretch that you could put aside alongside Jerry's Tio Randy Laugh is Gerald, Tori Ho. Whoever the receiver is, whoever your receiver is currently, AB had a five, six year stretch that arrival. Anybody that's ever played that position, anybody played in the NFL.

[Uncle Chad]

Ain'T nothing like it. Ain't nothing like it. And one thing, one thing that I've always done is obviously I understand the stuff that happened on, you know, off off the field, being a very, very, very good friend of mine. But there's certain, there's certain boundaries that I don't, I don't cross. You know, allowing people to mature, allowing people to grow within their own right and, and not trying, not wanting to interfere in what they have going on because, you know, you have people surrounding you and you don't want to somewhat, you know, butt into people's personal business and personal space. So. AB is one that I've always allowed to spread his wings and do and do his own thing, but I've always been a huge advocate for what he's done on the field. Always and always showed love, always talked about him in high regard based on the relationship that we've always had. Not agreeing what he's done off the field, I don't agree with that. But the work we put in over there, it's been damn. Uncle. It's been damn near 20 years now.

[Ocho]

Yeah, just.

[Uncle Chad]

Just think about where we came from to where we ended up and to how it's going now. I wish it could have been different. I wish it could have been different. And, and he has, he has time to, to write his wrongs. Yeah, he has time to write his wrong still now it might not be on the field.

[Ocho]

No, that's. That once he threw those paths in the stand and he did what he did in the Meadowlands or, or. Yeah, what jets, they. Whatever. Whatever they call it, Ocho, it was over. His career was effectively over after he said what he said about Tom. I could have never done that. After that man took you in, allowed you to stay. I could have never done that. But the problem is Chad, like, well, oh, okay, you say production intolerance, but you see, what happened is, is that if he'd have been on the roster the first week of the season, that 30 million becomes guaranteed. So if he don't have the guarantee and he behaving like this, Ocho, how's he gonna be when he got 30 million guaranteed?

[Uncle Chad]

On point.

[Ocho]

No, he's not. No, he was making money in Pittsburgh and he wasn't on point. He was showing up late. He was doing all that stuff. So you mean. So if you. So in other words, you just told us last night, if you can't manage a thousand dollars, you can't manage a hundred thousand. So in other words, he's getting. He's getting preseason money and behaving like this. What happens when he gets 30 million fully guaranteed?

[Uncle Chad]

Okay, I see. I see what you.

[Ocho]

Now just use what you said. That's what you told Chad. What did Ocho say last night? If you can't manage a thousand dollars, you can't manage 10,000. If you can't manage 10,000, you can't manage a hundred thousand. If you can't manage a hundred, a thousand, you can't manage a million. So the man making fifteen hundred dollars a week in pre. In training camp, you mean to tell me that now, all of a sudden he ain't gonna be on his phone in meetings when he's got 30 million guaranteed? He's gonna show up. That's in the hotel ballroom. Hey, go ahead.

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, can I ask you a question? Being on that phone, right? In the meeting rooms, missing that walkthrough, right? When that whistle blow at one o' clock on Sunday, what you get on the field?

[Ocho]

See, you see, you had a singular focus. I gotta manage a team, Ocho.

[Uncle Chad]

No, I'm gonna answer the question. What do you get when he gets on the. Where it matters. We got a lot of. We got a lot of people being the meeting rooms, right? They don't be on their phone. We got a lot of people show up to the meetings on time, but on Sunday they ain't worth a goddamn.

[Ocho]

So in other words. In other words, you'd have tolerated that?

[Ryan Garcia]

Yeah.

[Uncle Chad]

Like. Like the Steelers did all these years. Why? Because what is he giving you on.

[Ocho]

And then. And what happened?

[Uncle Chad]

And what happened? What?

[Ocho]

They got rid of him. He goes to the Raiders. What did the Raiders do? Got rid of it. Okay. Goes to the Patriots.

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, at the Raiders. Hey, he would.

[Ocho]

We talking about the Raiders? This is the Raiders story.

[Uncle Chad]

Oh, about the Raiders. Oh, I I, I was just, I was just speaking in general.

[Ocho]

So he go. So he leave you. You thought he learned his lesson. But I said this in 2016, when he went Facebook Live in the locker room after they beat the Chiefs. I said, boy, they created.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

I said, they don't suspend him. They've created a problem that they're not going to be able to harness. And I've been down. But anyway, that's neither here nor there. Okay.

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, but the funny thing, the funny thing about it is, is if we talk about, you know, the issues and the behavior most of the time when, you know, also the owners in general, the teams, the coaches, when you have a player that's that productive, a lot of this stuff slides for a very long time. It slides for a very long time. And he's just not, he just happens to be one of the cases, you know, there, there are many cases. I'm talking with some of the greats, the elite greats that have had these same issues over the years. And we hear the stories all the time. Obviously, there's no need to bring it up right now, being that we're on topic of just him in general, but some of us, some of us are able to do it the right way. You were able to do it the right way? I was able to do the right way. Pushing the envelope a little bit. I love pushing envelope on without crossing the line, if you know what.

[Ocho]

Yes, I knew.

[Uncle Chad]

I knew what lines?

[Ocho]

Yeah, cross.

[Uncle Chad]

I'm gonna get to the line, but I ain't gonna jump off.

[Ocho]

How about this, Ocho? You get to the line and look over it. You don't step over it. Oh, no. I can see everything I need to see. Looking over the line, like, yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah.

[Uncle Chad]

I, I, I, I, I understood. Listen, I, I also understood is, is I had in the NFL, people, people don't understand. I was a thinking man. I understood it was merely a chess match for me. How can I maximize everything I can out of this small window of opportunity. Right. Without burning the bridge? Because I'm going to need this bridge later on in life.

[Ocho]

Yes.

[Uncle Chad]

And I tell you this, I tell you this all the time. I'm going to need this NFL bridge. I'm going to need this entity to be able to continue to push me forward in things that I want to do outside of the game of football. I understood that. So I'm gonna piss him off a little bit. But there's certain lines I refuse to cross because I know I'm need you later on Yes, I know I'm gonna need you. So I was, I was, I was playing their game, doing it my way. But understand I'm still gonna need you on the back end. So I'm not gonna burn the bridge fully. I' ma light it, but I ain't.

[Ocho]

Gonna burn it down. Oh, he, he got the numbers that he got. AB had another 300 catches in him, easy. He had another 2,000, 3,000 yards in him, easy. I just wish somebody could have got to him. Say, ab, do you realize what you're costing yourself? And I look and they, they gassed him up because you remember he got on. Yeah, Ab, you free. That man can't tell you what to do. That's a grown ass man. Why you tripping? Y' all gassing this man up to lose 30 million.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I, I, I, I just never, I never understood that. I'm a grown man. I get that. It's, you're grown, but you, when you working, when you working on somebody else's job, you have to, if they say your, your shift started this time, you.

[Uncle Chad]

Have to be there at that time. Yes, sir.

[Ocho]

I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get this way of thinking. For some of us, it's not all of us, but some of us think like, oh, as long as I do my job. No, bro, it don't work like that. It does not. It does not. And the moment they get an opportunity, they gonna let you, they gonna let you go because you don't got comfortable and you never gonna see it coming. And then the thing is, you're never going to get treated in the second place like you got treated in the first. Because after a couple of instances of, a couple of incidences with the Raiders, what happened? Ocho, they let him go. One incident with the Patriots, they let him go. Tom Brady goes in there, vouchers. Do you know what it takes for a quarterback of that illness to vouch for you?

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah, he, he understands the value that you can bring in, help make it, make my, you gonna make my job easy. Come on now.

[Ocho]

And then you do come on down here to do that to him.

[Uncle Chad]

Down here to Tampa? Yeah. I can't remember what happened, but I, I know it was something, but that's crazy.

[Ocho]

I, I just like, I, I just hate that. This man, He was special. He was special.

[Uncle Chad]

Absolutely.

[Ocho]

And I think not enough. At the end of the day, he grown. At the end of day, he grown. But I don't think he had enough people around him to hold him accountable. And if the worst thing that can happen is that you go on social media and you let them gas you up, people that's never going to be in your position, people that would love to be in your position, and they telling you what they would do. What? Man, I wouldn't do that either, baby, if they were in that position, they do just the opposite.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah. Especially if they were that good. Especially that. Especially with that good. I mean, it's easy for people to say what they wouldn't do when you can't do it, but when you can and you're that good at what you do, sometimes the thinking isn't logical as it is, knowing you can't do it. Everybody say what they would do if they had $10 million. Where it's easy to say what your ad wouldn't do with. When you ain't got 10 million.

[Ocho]

Everybody goes, oh, man, I would. Man, if I had $10 million, I still live. No, you wouldn't. Ain't nobody made that kind of money and still live in the exact neighborhood unless it's middle class to upper middle class. So stop lying. I mean, y' all just say that because y' all think it make y' all sound good. Oh, I'm down to earth. Ain't nobody making 10, 20, $30 million driving the same car that they grew up with. You not buying a Honda. It sounds good. And on the Internet, like, oh, yeah, boy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're not. You're not. I don't know who y' all trying to convince, but I, I, I, I've come to the realization that the, the street committee, which is Internet, they're not real.

[Uncle Chad]

What you call them? What? I like that. That's a good one.

[Ocho]

But they're not real. They just say stuff and, and they hope somebody else picks up like, yeah, and piggyback that right. And agree what person, you know, Ocho, make 10, $20 million and stay in the exact same neighborhood that they grew up in. But it sounds good.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah, it does. It does.

[Ocho]

Everybody is not happy that your success, that you were able, that Ocho was able to leave the neighborhood. Man, Ocho left, man. He ain't, man. I remember oo he. Well, he right there in the Pokemon, right there in Liberty City. He ain't have nothing. Everybody is not happy for your success, even though they watch you and could not say they had your ability, but they watch you and what you did to become successful and then become envious of you when you became successful. Put it to you like this Ojo, A lot of times failure loves company. Cuz if you're not careful, people somebody be mad at you. And they'll get other people to be mad at you because they're not successful. They're not successful. So guess what? Now you got two unsuccessful people mad at you because you became successful. You see how that, that company, how they love each other?

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah. Oh, they. They always do. Hey, we all got the same 24 hours. Now what you choose to do with yours and what I choose to do with mine, that's on you. But I know, I'm trying to get to.

[Ocho]

But they get mad at you, Ocho, man, all you do is work, huh? Then I have success. Man, don't nobody need no house that size. So I guess I'm supposed to say the same story. I make it. I'm supposed to stay in the same thousand square foot cinder block home that I grew up in. As a matter of fact, why not just build an outhouse? I don't need no running water, no indoor plumbing. You can't get mad at someone's success because they're willing to do what you want. Or can't. Sometimes it requires both. B, O F, F. Both.

[Ryan Garcia]

Both.

[Uncle Chad]

And. And you know what? Another part I hate too is when you put all the work in. When you put all the work in, right, and you become successful. The people that had nothing to do with your success, all of a sudden they act like you owe them something. I don't owe you.

[Ocho]

I can give you something out of kindness of my heart, but I don't owe you anything.

[Uncle Chad]

Owe you nothing. Absolutely not. The hell get you what?

[Ocho]

Hey, pay for who? We we.

[Uncle Chad]

You got an idea? Hey, everybody got an idea. Everybody always has a brilliant idea on.

[Ocho]

What to do with your money. Man, if I had it. Well, God must be know something because he know you'd eff it up if you had it. So that's why he didn't get to you. That's. That's your passion. Okay, man, if I. Man, I have me a car wash. I have me a fleet of salons, okay? That's your dream. That ain't mine.

[Uncle Chad]

Definitely not. Definitely not.

[Ocho]

And then here's the thing, Ocho. So where your money? How much you putting up? Nah, man, I'm gonna run it now. All you gonna do is run your mouth. So I'm fronting all the money and you ain't got. You got no skin in the game. Anybody don't have skin in the game, it's easy for them to walk Away.

[Uncle Chad]

You ain't got to take no loss nothing.

[Ocho]

Man, Somebody talk about Warren Buffett. Hey, y', all, your Warren. Let me ask you a question. How does Warren Buffett fly? Is he on Delta or do he got a 50 to 70 million dollar private jet? You see anybody else y' all care to mention?

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, them for them folk, they're a little different, man. They live different.

[Ocho]

And the thing is, look, when you got that kind of money, I mean, at some point in time, I mean, some people like land and, you know, they bought artwork or they buy cars, but they have habits. I guarantee you. Warren Buffett got something. I understand he got, you know, he liked to go to Dairy Queen and get a McDonald's. Yeah. Ice cream cones. He got something. He got some artwork. He got something.

[Uncle Chad]

He lived different.

[Ocho]

And I don't blame him. But guess what? Breaking news. Oh, Jacob said he ordered the calamari, but you. But you blame me. Well, you blame me. You ate. You where. You and Jacob ate both. I had one piece.

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, calamari good, bro. I like me some calamari.

[Ocho]

It's the only seafood I could eat. It's a mullet, not a shellfish. But anyway. Dwyane Wade said he never received an invitation to participate in the dunk contest throughout his career. I'm. I'm going to name one person that never got a dunk contest. Is one of the greatest dunkers in. In the game of basketball. Flash myself. If you mean most dunks about guard in NBA history of the game and never got in the dunk contest. I'm the number one guard in the history of the NBA by far. And never got asked to be in the dunk contest. I don't know if I ever would have because I never would ask. Right now, I'm still holding the record the most dunks by a guard. Ocho, are you surprised that way? Was never asked to be in the dunk contest.

[Uncle Chad]

I mean, they shouldn't have to ask you if you really want to do it, you'll submit yourself to be able to go do it. I think obviously it's something that he really didn't want to do back then. Especially when you want to do something, you insert yourself in those conversations, you know, to let them know you want to do it. Yeah, I mean, D. Wade was. Was, man, he's that.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Three years. Because I think after your first three years, you start getting 20. I mean, I think Jordan. Jordan did it up until 88. So, yeah, he came in at 84. So Jordan probably would have been like 25, 26. I think after you get probably that you're like, nah, this ain't for me.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah. Hey, Wade was bouncing.

[Ocho]

Oh yeah, for sure. Before the knees got really arthritic and stuff like that.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah, he bouncy.

[Ocho]

Wade was like that. He was him. Floyd Mayweather and Mike Ty have attentively agreed to an exposition exp. Exhibition match in the Dominic, Democratic Republic of Congo on April 25th.

[Uncle Chad]

Okay.

[Ocho]

Oo, wait, that's next month.

[Uncle Chad]

Oh, two months.

[Ocho]

Two months after you saw Iron Mike in the ring against Jake Paul.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Tyson in the ring at 60. You cool with that?

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, hey, not really. Not that 60. No, I'm not cool with it. Obviously for, for Floyd. I would love the Floyd to have an exhibition with someone else that is, is somewhat, a little bit more active, someone that can protect themselves a little bit. Someone that can pose somewhat of a challenge. As great as Floyd is as good as Mike Tyson once was, what they can do is they can protect themselves, they can fight and still protect themselves, you know, and this is almost like what, what, what Floyd loves to call a bank robbery with no mask. He said it and he, you know, he's always been good at that over the years, but I would love to, for him to somewhat challenge himself just a little bit and, and if you want to do an exhibition, let it be Manny Pacquiao.

[Ocho]

No man's trying to win.

[Uncle Chad]

Give the people. Hey, my point exactly. Give the people something that you, that we want to see. Something that we will all pay for and we will enjoy is a rematch of Floyd and Manny Pacquiao. I think him and him, him and Mike.

[Ryan Garcia]

It.

[Uncle Chad]

I'm not sure how much, you know, Mike can give you at 60, but.

[Ocho]

That'S too big of a. I don't.

[Uncle Chad]

Know we're gonna see, huh?

[Ocho]

Big of a weight discrepancy.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

What are they gonna have on 20 ounce gloves?

[Uncle Chad]

Nah, they probably wear probably tens. They ain't gonna hit each other though. That's why I said because they're so good, because they're elite, they can protect themselves. Look what you think about it, people.

[Ocho]

Gonna pay to watch it. I mean, obviously we got to talk about it, so I gotta watch it. But I'll be honest, if I wasn't doing this job, I wouldn't watch it. Just being honest, right? I don't think you would either. Who me?

[Uncle Chad]

Oh yeah. I could be honest with you too. It's not gonna be much to watch because Mike is not the same at his age, but even a Floyd that's not the same. He's still sharp, and it's still something to watch. It's something to look at. Which is why I prefer him doing something like this with Manny Pacquiao instead.

[Ocho]

But Manny Pacquiao can hurt you. You don't believe Tyson gonna let his hands go and. And have the reflexes to hurt Floyd?

[Uncle Chad]

I mean, the only way he could have hurt Jake if he wanted to. Yeah, he could have hurt Jake if he wanted to. All he had to do was sit in the pocket like he fights everyone else in the world. He never fights from a distance ever in life.

[Ocho]

I guess what you call him. I guess Anthony Joshua didn't get the memo, man.

[Uncle Chad]

Listen, would you listen? Mike had two rounds where he could have taken Jake out if he wanted to, and those are the first two rounds would have been his best shot. Cut the ring off the right way, smother him, and fight in the pocket like you've done your. The entirety of your career. If you wanted to do that. He could have, but he chose not to on purpose. If you watch it again, clear shots are right there for Mike missing point blank. He missing on purpose. He not hitting him on purpose. Like, come on, man.

[Ocho]

Well, Anthony Joshua, when he got his opening, he didn't miss.

[Uncle Chad]

Oh, hey, he. He wasn't playing. Hold on. And he didn't even take some of the shots he could have took. Anthony Joshua playing around instead of cutting the ring off. He following him around the ring.

[Ocho]

And then guess what? He'll cut the ring off himself because he. You ain't got no legs to move.

[Uncle Chad]

Exactly. Which. And he ended up. That's what happened to him.

[Ocho]

You know, the thing is, in that sport there, getting tired is the worst thing that can happen. You drop your arms, you drop your jaw.

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, I know, I know your legs. I got to that fourth round and.

[Ocho]

You'Re sitting, though, man, I couldn't. Yeah, you're sitting up. But I wish him the best. Hopefully nobody gets hurt. But like I said, we. We gonna have to talk about it. So I watch it. But Ocho yesterday, Michael Jordan NASCAR team. Not only did Jordan get the win with Tyler Reddick at the Daytona 500, but his Racing 23XL had three cars finished in the top 10. It looked like Bubba Wallace was the most likely Toyota to get the win, having led a race high 40 laps. But Reddit came through late and got the win.

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, that's dope.

[Ocho]

I mean, Mike was so happy because at the end of the day, you know, when you're an athlete, and you compete at that level. What can I do Ojo. To scratch that competitive edge that I.

[Uncle Chad]

Got, Got to win.

[Ocho]

And, you know, he. He had a. He had a. A motorcycle racing team. He had a. He had a fishing team that go out there and fish and try to catch Marlon. And now, you know, he has this NASCAR team. That's the only thing. I mean, obviously he still likes to gamble. You still play golf, but when you have that kind of insatiable appetite for competition.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah, right.

[Ocho]

And, you know, he went head to head with nascar. Everybody in NASCAR had gone along with nascar, just running rough, shot, overbought. Michael, hell no. This. Man, this is unfair. And then he got a couple of. A couple of those owners to go with him. Tada. Something that had been in place for NASCAR. Probably been going on for 50 years. No, hell, since the 50s. Long time and now. But, man, look here. It's not every day. I was hoping Bubba can get. Can. Can. Can win. Can win one of these things. That would be. That would be. It would be like Tiger winning the Masters, you know, I can only imagine. I don't remember when Arthur Ashe won Wimbledon, the US Open, you know, Alfeo Gibson, when she won Wimbledon. I mean, I can imagine that's what it would be like to have in a predominantly, you know, white sport, to have someone of color, an African American, to. And to win the Daytona 500. But congratulations, Mike Tyler Reddick, first Daytona 500. He was so excited. I mean, you see him at the end of the race, bro, that joker, like, he wanted to cry. He's like, I'm so excited. I don't really know what to say.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah, shoot. The Daytona 5.

[Ocho]

That's it. That's the. I mean, most. Most race. Most championships aren't held in the beginning. They're most. That'll be like the super bowl being held at the beginning of the year. The NBA Championship at Wimbledon. Ain't no tune up. They total 500. Let's go.

[Uncle Chad]

Let's go right away.

[Ocho]

I mean, they got some other ones. They got the Coke 500. They got the. The Brickyard. They got some big races. Talladega, they got a race out here in Vegas in a couple of weeks. Texas motorcycle going, you going n. They got a. What's that? They got a big food event out here.

[Uncle Chad]

No, I want to go to the NASCAR race. Huh?

[Ocho]

Yeah, they got the Vegas Food Festival.

[Uncle Chad]

I don't want no food. I want to go watch racing.

[Ocho]

Man, he don't get no ring for that. Jordan already has seven wings. He had An NCAA title ring. There you go. But it was, it was a great day. I'm excited. I don't. I still follow it a little bit. All my drivers are kind of gone. You know, I was a Jimmy Johnson and, and, and Jeff Gordon fan. You know, after all my, all my old guys left. The, the Bill Elliott's and the Harry Gantz and the Neil Bonnets. All those guys, the Bobby and Donnie Allison's and all the Kale Yarboroughs, once they kind of left, I got, okay, I got me some new guys now. Dale Earnhardt Jr. Daryl Waltrip. And then little E came along. Now, you know Chase Elliott, who's Bill's son, you know Larson's, Danny Hamlin. I know Danny a little bit. He's the co owner with the, the 23 XL team.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

But you know, in the south, man, NASCAR was huge. You could not go to a convenience store without seeing the bandanas, without seeing the, the little, the little metal cars. They had thermoses. They had every. It's not like that. Yeah, it's not like that now.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah, it depends on where you go. It's still big. Depending on where you go, depending on what, what city, what, what city you reside in. I mean, it's still huge. Obviously I'm, I'm a huge, huge, huge fan of nascar. So I'm, I'm, I'm excited. Homestead Motor Speedway is right down the street. Not that far, obviously. Daytona. Right down, right down the street as well. I'm going to my fair share of races and to me it's one of the best dates you can take someone on. Especially if you don't know anything about nascar. Going to a NASCAR race and sitting out there in the stands, not that fancy stuff in the goddamn suite in the stands and getting that feeling, smelling that. Oh man. Like it, bro.

[Ocho]

It's loud. I mean to hear those cars and you could tell the difference between the guys that got the big money tied up in their cars and the other guys that got, but they got, they got the car all white with one logo on it. And then you see, you see Jimmy Johnson, you see those guys cars, they got all, all, all, all the decals on it. And you listen to their car, then you look at other lap. Yeah, bro, you're not going to win. Oh yeah, but it, it's. I want to go. I got to get to the Daytona. That's one of the events that I haven't been to. You know, I've been to a Super bowl, been to an NBA Finals, been to a World series game. But I got to get to Wimbledon. Went to the US Open. Tennis. I need to go to Augusta. I need to go to go to Augusta too. See the master. See around.

[Uncle Chad]

You like golf like that?

[Ocho]

No. I need to get me a cart, though. I can't walk no more. That's too far to walk.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

I don't think they let you have a card on the grounds, though. Nah, you're not going to mess up. Big rats. They're not going to play that. I just want to go get one of them $50 sandwiches. Hell no. Eat no damn pimento cheese. No, there's something wrong with you talking about some pimento cheese. Ocho. The Titans have the baldest coaching staff in NFL history. Take a look at your thing. Look at, take a look at your boy.

[Uncle Chad]

I see it. Oh, boy. Everybody okay. Everybody got that cue ball boy.

[Ocho]

Rob, they got obviously Robert Salah. And then you got Brian Dayball. And then you got Gus Bradley. I don't really know any of the other guys.

[Uncle Chad]

Everybody got that ball head, bro. Great. A great mind sting alike.

[Ocho]

Honestly, like you showed up with. Hey, you showed up with hair on your head. Well, I don't worry about it, bro. I'm sorry. We're not hiring today.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah, matter of fact, they show. Could you. They might well bring me in too. What you think? No.

[Ocho]

No. All right. Time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Kevin Norwood Jr. Ocho, would you ever do a celebrity boxing match? If so, who would you box besides James Harrison?

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, I, I forgot. They thought I already did one. It was no celebrity. I actually fought someone that fights for real. I mean, Brian is a huge supporter. Brian Maxwell, very good friend.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, huge.

[Uncle Chad]

A huge supporter of the show on Brian. Right? He's a huge supporter. Man, that, that's my dog and boy, I only, only. I think I made. Hey, Unc. I might have had two weeks to get ready and so what I did double days. So really, that's only a month. A month of work. I was able to get in twice a day. But that ain't. It's one thing you don't play boxing. There's a reason why they say that I would never, ever. Hey, I, I, I, I didn't want to make, make a mockery of their sport. So I really chose not to not to fight a celebrity. So I chose to fight someone with a, with a combat sports background, obviously. You know, Brian does bare knuckle and it was fun. I, I enjoyed myself. I was Very uncomfortable because I'm not used to being in that type of environment. So I didn't know how to, to. To engage and be able to slip and dodge and block punches. So I was, I was on my bicycle really the whole night. So I tired myself out by the time we got to the fourth round. But since then, I haven't left the gym since. So I got like five years worth of work in me and I would love to do it again. I would love to do it again. Obviously it will not be a celebrity. It has to be someone with a boxing background so I can show the improvement from the first time to where I'm at now. And. Oh, that, that. Boy, that ain't no joke. When that, when that, when that bell went off and his eyes, man, it's different, man, it's different. It's hard. It's hard to explain.

[Ocho]

Lab Casey 20 your UNC, if you don't mind to talk about it, how you talk about your farm and working in the fields. Does your family still own the land or what ended up happening to it? No, we never owned that land. Originally my grandparents house burned down and there was a white gentleman named Bill H. Durance that built my grandparents a home on his land and let us. Let them stay there. So that was never our land and it didn't charge us anything. Now I don't know who builds a house and don't put. Because the old house that they had didn't have indoor plumbing. It was. It was wood and most people had wooden, had what they call shacks. That's what my grandparents had. There was an outhouse. And so when they built this cinder block, I don't know why they didn't have it wired for indoor plumbing and running water. But that's neither here nor there. But it didn't have that. But it did have an outhouse. But that was never our land. And I couldn't wait to get up out of there. You know, I lived there until I was 20. I never forget. I went back to Savannah State. I was. Yeah, I was 20. I went back to Savannah State and because my brother had gotten drafted In April of 88, me and my sister went and looked at a home like. And I remember Ocho, the place that the home was built, you know, me and the fellows used to go over there and sneak a peek, you know. You know what I'm talking about? You know, it was a pecan orchard.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Years early. And so, you know, you, you know, sneak a peek over there.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

In our w. In My wildest dreams did I realize that one day that we would actually be living in that area. And now I was like, man, but no, we don't own the land. I don't know. Let me say. I think Libby say she had rolled past it. I normally would go back out there, like when my. When I was in college and college, like my first three years in the league, nobody lived in the house. And so, you know, you could just open the door. And I remember I took my girlfriend out there and we was walking through the house, you know, I was like, this is where, you know, Granny's granny slept. Me granny spanking Papa slept in this room. This was the living room. This was the kitchen. I mean. I mean, my. My. My bed in Atlanta would take up basically three rooms of the house. But anyway, and so we going back. So I said, this is where Libby. This is where Libby and my nephew slept in this room right here. And this is where the girls were sleeping. Gladys, Marinell slept in the same bed. And then Shermanine and Jane slept in the same bed. So you can see how that was me, Granny spanky. Yeah, that's four people. Marinell, Gladys, Sherman and. And Jane. That's four people. And then my sister and my nephew. That's 10 people in a thousand square feet. So anyway, we back in the back room, I said, well, this is where my aunt Them sleep. And I say, well, you know, me and my brother, we used to. They would call us and we come get. Get pulled or get the rat snakes out. We would kill snakes in the closet. Because if you got rat problem, you're gonna have a snake problem because they're gonna come. Yeah, don't let anybody tell you. And we had farm. We had hogs. Rats, love hogs. So you got rats, you gonna have a snake problem. So ocho. So I was like, you know, I was tired, pointed. I said, this was the closet. And me and my brother, we'd have probably killed like two or three snakes in the closet. As we're coming out, there's an opening and there's a big old rat snake coming down at the ceiling. She. I. I didn't see it because I was in front of her. I didn't see it right. She hollered. I'm like, what. What happened? He's probably. He probably. He long. He's long as this pool stick, and he probably about this big around. So that was. That was. That was the last. That was the last time. That was the last time I've been in the house. But it Was nothing, you know, because we had chicken. You know, we had a farm. It was chicken. And. And I remember my grandma being the kitchen, cooking, and she like, all right, boys, come get him. He trying to come in the house. And it'd be a chicken snake or rat snake on the screen, right? Trying to come in the house. That was right up me and my brother's alley. We got something for you like that, huh? We got something for you.

[Uncle Chad]

So you're not scared of snakes.

[Ocho]

I kill hell out of. Now, it all depends on what type of snake it is. If it's a king snake, I'll probably let it go, because king snakes eat rattlesnakes and moccasins and things like that. But if it's a rattlesnake, and I understand rattlesnake, moccasin, cotton mouth, copperhead, I don't care. I'm killing you. Well, there's no corals in Georgia. No, that. They. They had Florida out this way. Yeah. And the chicken snake come back. We had like a. I can't, I can't. We had like a chicken cooperation. And. And Granny was like, boy, y' all seen them bitties? I like, no, ma'. Am. She's like, I wonder what happened to my biddies. Ocho. We go open the chicken coop. He probably six and a half, maybe seven foot long.

[Uncle Chad]

Seven feet.

[Ocho]

He got eight humps in him. He done ate my grandma. So, you know, we had. We had to do a number on emotion, me and my brother, we had to do a number on it. So we get him out there and take the sticks and bash them over his head. But we could do. He don't ate the. Beat it now.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah, damn.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah, that. But now we gotta. We gotta kick out of that. Killing possums like we killed a hawk one day.

[Uncle Chad]

How the hell you catch a hog?

[Ocho]

Must have got stuck somewhere, swooped down and got my grandma chicken. Gr. The chicken.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Out the door Ms. Bank went. We got to get him. Oo, how.

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, how. How you caught him before he got up off the chick?

[Ocho]

We didn't catch him. We killed him.

[Uncle Chad]

Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Ocho]

Peter, don't get mad, but I kill him again.

[Uncle Chad]

He.

[Ocho]

She give my grandma chickens. Joshua Magata, can you explain why Darren Wilson ain't in the hall of Fame but Lynch Dawkin and Nia's Williams are? I can't explain. I wish I could. I don't have a vote. And I. As I said before, I thought I knew what a Hall of Famer was, but when Derrick Thomas had to wait five times. Tio had to wait three times. I had to wait myself. And I had all the records with super bowl rings. I don't know what a Hall of Famer is, guys. I really don't. So I wish I played against Woody. I thought he was great, but I don't know anymore. Ocho. Sean underscore show. What you think about the KD files? What's the KD files? I don't know. Anything that they put out. Anything that they put out of the other day. I told you. Street committee. I don't believe it. I'm sorry. Eagle fan78 Evening, fellas. Hope y' all are well. Love the show. Any truth to the rumors that Next and Peyton are not getting along? Heard anything about this? I have not. Sean Payton and Bo Nicks. Oh, look, Sean is who he is. Bo is who he is. And I think Bo has to stand up for himself because we. We've seen Sean Per's personality. If you don't, he going to try to run over you. And at the end of the day, I understand that you're my head coach and to a certain degree, you my boss, but you can't talk to me less than.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah, he made that clear already.

[Ocho]

And so I. I'm glad both stick it up for himself. Oo. I like that you always rep soccer jersey, especially vintage soccer kids. Check out the 96 Russia. Dortmund. Dortmund.

[Uncle Chad]

Dortmund. Dortmund. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Thank you. Love the show.

[Uncle Chad]

Bruio. Dortmund. Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hurts my heart to see a guy like this on Nightcap. Why hurt you? Look, I guess he's talking about Ryan Garcia and we. I asked him about that and yeah, he said some things, but is there no forgiveness? Is there no redemption? So anything that somebody says they cannot be forgiven for, is that where we are now as a society? I mean, have you not made a mistake? He said that, you know, there are some things that he said. I mean, that he's done that he's not proud of. He was in a. You know, he was drinking. He was doing things that he shouldn't have been doing. But I. I'm sorry. Nightcap is. We're not a perfect platform, and we realize that sometimes, I guess are all of our guests are. Are imperfect and we sorry that we have a. A platform that only perfect people listen to and watch, and you happen to be one of them. So I'm sorry that we had an imperfect person on and that your perfect ears had to listen to and your perfect eyes had to watch it. Terence G. What's up, guys? With the hall of Fame controversy, y' all think Von Miller getting in. He was suspended two times, failed drug test. Also trying to cover a second one. Caused the carrier because the carrier helped him. Yeah, I think he's gonna get in one of the preeminent pass rushes. I mean, he's pretty close to what, 140 sacks, Super Bowl MVP, a male, multiple defensive rookie of the year, a multiple time all Pro, helped two teams win a Super Bowl. I think he gets in. Ray cleaves. Should CP3 be considered the next player to transition to coaching and could he go straight to a head coach? Yeah, JJ did. JJ Redick did.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

It's hard for me to see a scenario where CP don't have it. At least the IQ that JJ Redick had.

[Uncle Chad]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Ocho]

I don't know if that's what he wants, but yeah, I'm sure. I hate that his career ended like this. I would love to see CP3, but we. Everybody don't get a fairy tale ending, Ocho. Yeah, we don't.

[Uncle Chad]

But does he, does he even want to coast though? I mean, it had to be something he wants to be something he has to want to do. And I'm not, I'm not sure, you know, with endeavor endeavors that he has going on outside of basketball, if he want to still be a part of the game like that.

[Ocho]

I think the thing is his son is. I think his son is probably a freshman or he probably want to spend time coaching him and getting him ready to try to go play college ball. So I don't know if he has the time right now to devote to being a coach. Jason Hogan. Ocho, I can never understand the energy you have towards the Cowboys. What the backstory.

[Uncle Chad]

What energy? All my energy is good. Any energy I speak on the Cowboys has always been in a good manner. I mean, I'm confused what you mean. I'm not Stephen A. Smith. All I say is, is the value in which I see George Pickens. He can reach and maximize his value he elsewhere. And obviously there's no need to be heavy on the front, heavy on the forefront, having a crazy offense and still no defense. So what's the point of scoring 50 points and everybody else going to call 58? That's all. Man, I love Cowboys. I love the fans. I like the star on the helmet too.

[Ocho]

I am underscore Mike 3. Ocho. Any book suggestion for beginners? I want to better. I want to become better at articulating myself.

[Uncle Chad]

Shoot. Well, I'd be butchering words like a mug. Whatever Whatever book you use, let me know too, because I be butchering stuff up.

[Ocho]

No, I think the thing is, is that you probably need to get a book articulating yourself. My problem was enunciating words because if you notice when I get excited, my voice arise, Ocho. Like, that's me.

[Uncle Chad]

Hey, I get that. I get that high pitch. High pitched voice.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Chad]

I start talking too fast. I don't know why I do that.

[Ocho]

And. And it's not clear. So, you know, I went to see this. This lady. I would go to Philly, and my first couple years when I was at cbs, they got me with a specialist. I would go to Philly a couple times a year. She would come down to New York and work with me, and she gave me literature to read. She gave me this book to read. But at the end of the day, I heard Charles Barkley. I said, he's himself. We both have a very heavy colloquial dialect. We're from. I'm from rural south Georgia. He's from Alabama. And they didn't hire me to talk like Ed Bradley and James Brown. I had to be me was trying to be something that I wasn't. So at the end of the day, bro, be you just take your time. You got more time than you think. Like when you read the prompter or you try to read, you have more time than you think. My biggest thing is, is that a lot of times you read like, you talk, you talk fast, you read fast. And sometimes you read faster than you know. I mean, sometimes I'll be going back, man. I'll be sending a text message out on editing it. They're like, well, damn, I could have just took my time. By the time I. Oh, I left out it. Damn, I left out eight. I like, duh. Like, well, damn, if I'd have just took my time, Ocho, I wouldn't have to do anything. Kevin Slug Hoffer. Sliver Hoffer. Yo. Oh, when you gonna have LeBron on nightcap? He busy right now. J. AB suffers from severe CTE. Perfect hit. Harmed him, I guess. Mike, Mike. What up, Uncle Nocho? I agree with Ocho. Do not send the food back because they'll be mad and spinning it. But I do like the way UNC pays for food for the crew. Can't afford it. He don't need that.5900. Ocho, is this Mike, is this our mic that sit this?

[Uncle Chad]

No.

[Ocho]

Oh, no, I'm sending it back. Okay, okay. No, no, no, no, no. Most of the. Most of the restaurants that I go to. Like, when I go back home to Atlanta, I go to the same place. They know me. They got no problem. And a lot of times I don't have to say nothing. It's like, Mr. Sharp, we. We. We forgot the dry plate. Give us just a second. We forgot. So that's why I like going to the same place, Ocho. Cause they know Mr. Sharp.

[Uncle Chad]

Thank you.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I like that. Plus, I tip well. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. We want to thank each and every one of our subscribers and each one of our viewers tonight. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from, we'd like to thank you for your eyes, ears, and your word of mouth. Thanks to you, Nightcap has become a success. If you're looking to purchase a bottle of Shade by Laportier, head over to laportierconac.com if you cannot find it in a city or state near you. It is a premium BSOP cognac, the smoothest, best tasting BSOP cognac on the market. Try it compared against others and you'll see that it is the smoothest, best tasting cognac on the market. Excuse me. We have the OG bottle, which is a 750, but now we have the Junior, which is the 375. Same great quality, same great taste, the same smoothness. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. We want to thank our very, very special guest, Ryan Garcia. He joins us tonight. He takes on Mario Barrios on Saturday. Wish him the best of luck in that fight and hopefully gets an opportunity to come back on. He said come back on and tell us how he did it if he were to win. So we, Ryan, we wish you the best of luck and thanks for joining us tonight. We're off tomorrow, but we'll see you Wednesday night. I'm up. He's Ocho. Thank you guys for joining us. Peace.

[Ryan Garcia]

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