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Unk
Ocho, check this out. Super Bowl, Seahawks. Super bowl champion Byron Murphy was walking around with the Lombardi Trophy at his wedding this weekend. Let's take a look at the video, y'. All. Hey, that.
Ocho
Hey, that's dope, huh?
Unk
I think they. They started to treat the Lombardi Trophy like they do the Stanley cup, where everybody get an opportunity to keep it for a day, right? I like that.
Ocho
Is that. Was that. Was that the actual trophy, or you
Unk
think that was the actual trophy?
Ocho
Okay. Hey, that's live.
Unk
Yeah. So, you know, ain't nothing left for me to do.
Ocho
Hey, I have a question.
Unk
Ain't nothing left for me to do but don't. Hey. Go to. Do that thing. Ocho. Hold on.
Ocho
See, that's. That's what I. That's what I understand. So those are replicas like you have, right?
Unk
No, you look, John got the og. Most people get the little minis, right? But me, I'm.
Ocho
I'm with those run. Huh?
Unk
I don't know. This was gifted to me.
Ocho
You know what I'm have? I'm. Get me one of them made, too, in gold. I'm gonna get them. I'm getting one. I'm getting one to. Made in gold, man. Yeah,
Unk
Silver.
Ocho
The same way I got my bus. And gold and the buses is bronze.
Unk
Bronze.
Ocho
Yeah.
Unk
Yeah.
Ocho
So I want everything to be gold.
Unk
The one that they keep give you is made out of wood. The one that they put in the hall. It is. The one that's. The one that's in the hall is the bronze one. The one they give you is the wood. But I'm gonna donate mine to Savannah State.
Ocho
For real?
Unk
Yeah. And my jacket, okay. Because I ain't got the one jacket. What I'm gonna do, get one. Get a jacket to the kid. Get one jacket to the Kid? Give the hall of Fame ring to a kid? Nah, that's gonna go to Savannah State. I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get a ring, the jacket, and the bus to Savannah State. The kids getting enough stuff? Trust me. They get enough. They'll be okay. Yeah, they'll be okay. Yeah. So that's what I'm doing. I'll have to have my super trophy at my wedding. Who all coming?
Ocho
Hey, we, we get, we. You get married next year, huh?
Unk
Yep.
Ocho
We gonna do the dude wedding or no?
Unk
We could do that, you know.
Ocho
You know, we get a discount.
Unk
Yeah. But you know, right now, Ocho, I, I, I've come to the realization I'm done being with somebody that I have fun with. Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Ocho
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. This is, this is the very, this is the very pivotal moment. Yeah, like, I like where you're going that. Wait, wait, let me, let me get comfortable now. Talk to me.
Unk
I found somebody that I can, I can suffer with, I can endure with. Because you can have fun with anybody, right?
Ocho
Come on now.
Unk
You have fun with anybody.
Ocho
Take your time.
Unk
You go into the Amalfi coach, say you go into Tahiti, say you're going to Santorini, Amikonos, Bali. You'll have fun, right? When you come to suffering, when it comes to enduring.
Ocho
Come on now.
Unk
Who you want to do that with? Who would do that with you?
Ocho
I got, I got, I got a question, though. I got a question now. When you say you found someone you can suffer with.
Unk
Yeah.
Ocho
You got somebody you can have fun with?
Unk
Yeah.
Ocho
You know what that's like?
Unk
Yeah. Yeah.
Ocho
You know what it's like when the sun is shining, but when it's cloudy and it's storming and, and it's raining?
Unk
Yeah.
Ocho
They got the umbrella for you.
Unk
Yes.
Ocho
How you even got to that point to realize that? Because most of the time, when it's storming and thunder. When it's thundering and lightning.
Unk
Yeah.
Ocho
Most of the time, everything goes this way.
Unk
Because when you laying there and she say, baby, I'm counting your breath. Breathe. Nobody else has ever done that.
Ocho
Come on now.
Unk
This ain't the time. This uncle don't. Your last ride.
Ocho
Hey, hey, I, I like that.
Unk
Listen, Jesse James, we going out one last.
Ocho
Hey, I, I, I like that. I never heard, I never heard that one before. I never heard that one before. I like that. Like mo, most of the time. You know, my grandma always say, find someone. Find someone that's willing to unpack your baggage. Cuz we all Got it. We all come with it.
Unk
Yeah, we all do.
Ocho
The hard part is finding someone's baggage to unpack. And most of the time, once you unpack it, when things go rough. Ah, you know, you pack they and you, you try, you try on, you keep moving on and thinking something else is better.
Unk
Yep. That's always been my thing. Ooh.
Ocho
You always thought something.
Unk
That's what made us who we are.
Ocho
Yeah.
Unk
Even though when I made the pro boat, I thought I could be better. Even when I made all pro, I thought I could be better. Come on. I had a thousand, a thousand yard season, I thought I could be the better. A double digit touchdown season, I could be better. It was always when you're satisfied as a person. You threw as an individual. So I was always striving to see. To get better. To get better. To get better. Nah,
Ocho
you done. You, you waving a white flag, huh?
Unk
I could be. Yeah.
Ocho
Yeah.
Unk
I can still, I can still search for greatness and be content.
Ocho
I like that. So you got to search for that greatness in other areas, other aspects of your life.
Unk
Yeah, for sure.
Ocho
Hey, that's a good thing, man. I'm glad you got that piece of the puzzle filled in, man. I like that man. I like that.
Unk
Yeah. Yeah.
Ocho
Hey, I like that.
Unk
And you know, he don't. She don't know what the old Shay was like. Okay.
Ocho
Okay.
Unk
You know what I'm saying? Okay. The old Shay used to go double overtime. Now, she didn't get the first quarter. She didn't get the first quarter on your. Hey, I get the first. I put up here quick 10. Yeah.
Ocho
How about you?
Unk
Done. She ain't know. I used to have a. Get a 40 point triple dub. Oh yeah.
Ocho
Hey, I got, I got one more question. Huh?
Unk
What's that?
Ocho
One more question. Now this is for me. This is my therapy session because I like when we get on topics like this. Right?
Unk
Yes.
Ocho
Is there ever a timetable to decide when you know that's the one?
Unk
Yeah, I think it is.
Ocho
Six months, a year, two years.
Unk
I don't know. There's a time, I mean, I think you have a feeling and you like, okay, when things go, you cut, it's got to go bad. Because when it's going good, when everything is good and you flying everywhere, you buying everything. And by the time you buy this purse and that purse.
Ocho
Yeah. Yes, sir.
Unk
This. And you give that.
Ocho
Yes, sir.
Unk
Okay. When it goes bad,
Ocho
Come on now.
Unk
It's bad. And I ain't for. Hey, I ain't finna beat you down.
Ocho
Now.
Unk
But we're gonna have a conversation. Just so you know. We're gonna have a conversation. We're gonna talk.
Ocho
Yeah.
Unk
Okay.
Ocho
Hey, I didn't. Hey, I. I get. I get. I get frustrated, right? I'm at that point now when. When. When things are great. Oh, when it's great. It's great. Yes. And I avoid those conversations. I avoid those tough conversations because I. I. What's the word I'm looking for? I love. I love my piece. I'm not one that I'm. I'm not one that really likes chaos now at my big age. So therefore, when. When. When I. When I see chaos, I kind of. I kind of go into a shell, right? And it's so funny when I'm happy. I'm. I'm a talker, actually. I talk too goddamn much. And when I should be talking, I shut down instead of having those tough conversations that I should have.
Unk
Yeah, I don't like to have a tough conversations either, Ocho. I don't.
Ocho
I gotta. I gotta work on that, man.
Unk
Y. Do everybody got. Because I don't. I don't. I don't want to hurt anybody's feeling, and it's just eas. I don't. I don't want to talk about it. You right. It ain't easy, though. Oo, yeah, it damn sure not easy.
Ocho
Yeah, but who. Who you telling what. What you tell? It's a lot of work. Hey, it's a lot of work, huh? And sometimes I think to myself. Sometimes I think to myself, if things are supposed to be this way, why does so much work? Why does so much work? Is it natural? It is supposed to be this way? I mean. I mean, there's so. There's so many unanswered questions, you know?
Unk
And.
Ocho
I don't know. I just.
Unk
Sometimes, Ocho, you could work like. And the reason why I equate a lot to. To sports is because, yes, I was good at it and I worked at it, and I. It's like, you know what? If I work at this, I could change this, and I can be good at it. You can work for years, and your relationship might not even get any better. Because the question is, is she working as hard as you are?
Ocho
That's a good one.
Unk
Are you working for the same goal? Because sometimes we get into an argument, Ocho, Me and you argue. Yeah. So. No, no, no, no, no. It ain't me and you. It's me and you versus the problem. There's a difference. We argue amongst each other. We go back and Forth. But the problem's still there. How about you and I double team this problem?
Ocho
Right?
Unk
What caused this?
Ocho
And most of the time the problem is me.
Unk
Yes. A lot of times the problem is, usually a lot of times is the situation where I'm a guy. Just tell me if you want something, if you want to do something. I don't like to have to figure it out. Figure it out. You just.
Ocho
Right, right, right, right.
Unk
What you want to do.
Ocho
Right.
Unk
Just tell me. Because uncommunicated expectations will ruin a relationship. Because you have an expectation and you don't communicate what those expectations are. You assume I'm supposed to know I have expectations. I assume you're supposed to know because you're at an age you've dated before.
Ocho
Yeah.
Unk
You've been in relationships before. You've been in long term relationships before. Why do I need to walk you step by step? You was in a long term relationship, you just wasn't in it with me. So I need to tell you what I expect from you. You need to tell me what you expect from me. So if we communicate these expectations, we're on the path to going somewhere. But when you don't have, when you have uncommunicated. When you don't tell me what you expect, I don't tell you what to expect. And then I'm swole because you didn't do what I expected you to do, what you didn't tell me.
Ocho
And, and that's one of the worst things with marriages, with relationships, with friendships. Is that one word, that one word? Because we, we expect certain things.
Unk
Yes.
Ocho
You have a title. Once a title comes with anything, with the title comes expectations most of the time. When it comes to humans, we always fall short.
Unk
Yes.
Ocho
Human error is inevitable. No matter what aspect of life you're in with those expectations, then it becomes you trying to become somewhat of a character to meet the role that they want. Yeah. And that's hard because you're not even being yourself.
Unk
Nope.
Ocho
You have to change who you are to meet someone else's expectations.
Unk
How do you change? How? Because here's the. You got to be careful because changing who you are, you lose who you are.
Ocho
But that's what expectations are. No, because you can't be your true. It's impossible to be your true, your true self if you're supposed to meet someone else's expectations. That's not even originally you. You have to be the version of the way they view you. You have to be.
Unk
There's perception and there's reality. A person's perception of you is their reality. A person's perception of you, that's their reality. But that's not always the truth. So now how she perceives you, that is her reality. That could be the farthest thing from who you actually are.
Ocho
And which. Which is. Which is Normally the case 98 of the time. Women fall in love with. With the idea that they have in their head of you, not who you
Unk
truly are, of who they think a man should be, what he should do. You should open the door, you should buy candles, you should buy cars, you should be thoughtful. You should write poetry. That is the perception of what they think. That ain't who I. When did I ever give you that? Give you that impression? That was who I was. This ain't no Harlequin novel. This ain't no Hallmark movie. Yeah.
Ocho
This ain't no the Notebook.
Unk
Hell no.
Ocho
But, but, but I like it.
Unk
Damn the Notebook. This ain't in the tablet.
Ocho
But you. You know what I do like? I. I love becoming a better version of myself for the individual that you. In whatever way they do.
Unk
Yes.
Ocho
How do. How do I become that version of me or the. The version of. In which you view me as.
Unk
How do I. How do I become the best version for you without losing me. Me?
Ocho
Because that is most of the time, one of the hardest things to do. The two hardest things to do. Chat. You've heard me say it before. Two of the hardest things to do is to hit a baseball.
Unk
Yeah.
Ocho
And to keep a woman happy long term. Because in turn. And trying to keep a woman happy long term, you have to lose a sense of self.
Unk
You do. Men are willing to do that. How many times a man says, well, you know, hey, what. You know, this is what she wanted. She don't want me to go out with my ocho. Oh, yo, I gotta cut back. She don't want me to drink. I gotta cut back. She don't want me over the time of my in laws.
Ocho
Yes, sir.
Unk
What do women say? I would like this when you met me. You ain't have a problem with it. You see, men are willing to change for the woman that a man loves. He will change that. Joe will cut off his family, he'll cut off his friends. He'll do whatever to make her happy. It goes back to biblical.
Ocho
Yeah.
Unk
Samson told Delilah where his strength lied for a reason. Adam, you know, Adam did what he did for a reason. David did what he did to. Bathsheba's up for a reason. Just saying,
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Ocho
Lenovo.
Unk
Lenovo.
Ocho
Hey. Hey. That was a good therapy session. I like.
Unk
Yeah, you know we, you know we do.
Ocho
Oh, that was a good. That was a good therapy session.
Unk
Yeah, you know. For the second time in a week, the 49ers added veteran receiver to the room, agreeing to terms on a one year deal with Christian Kirk. Kirk spent the 2025 season with the Texas after a three year stint with the Jags after his first four seasons with the Cardinals. The deal is up to $6 million. Kurt's edition is the latest to a receiver room that is undergoing significant renovation. They signed Mike Evans to a three year, 42.5 million dollar deal in the opening hours of free agency. Ocho, do you like this move?
Ocho
Hell yeah. Because it adds speed. It adds a lot of speed. Brother Kirk can run. He got wheels. You got Mike Evans. You got brother Kirk, Rika Purcell. If I'm not, if I'm not mistaken, Juwan Jennings is a free agent now, right?
Unk
He a free agent. He got signed.
Ocho
Yeah.
Unk
We don't know if he's coming back.
Ocho
Right.
Unk
I know they love him because he, he does it all. He did eight minutes in the run game. He make tough contested catches. He's real good after the. He's real good after the catch. We know Brandon Auk. Brandon Ayuk is not coming back.
Ocho
Yeah, yeah.
Unk
Currently he's still on the team, but he's not coming back. Listen, that being said, Ocho, I Just. I like it. I mean, you know, you, you, you got, they got to get better and they got to keep the guys on
Ocho
the field, keep them healthy. Yeah, but they got a good squad, man. They got a good squad. Mike Evans, Chris Kirk, Ricky Purcell. You still got CMAC coming back. Shanahans, I mean, listen, he's a genius, especially when it comes to offensive play calling and what he's able to do and being able to use players at their strengths, put them in the right positions to make plays. Having Christian McCaffre, Brock Purdy job that much easier. Hand it off. Hand it off. Hell line Chris line McAffrey up in the slot. He can go out, he can go out, he can do. They can do so many things offensively. That's how I know Mike Evans going to have one of his best years in that offense. So I'm, I'm, I'm excited for them. I'm excited for, for brother brother Kurt. So they, they're gonna be all right. He's, he went to, he went to a good place. They gonna let that ball go now.
Unk
Absolutely. The NBA will hold a vote at the board of governors meeting March 24th through the 25th to explore adding expansion teams exclusively in Las Vegas and Seattle. With the two franchises targeted for 2829 seasons, the momentum for stakeholders to approve the survey. What industry executive project will be bids between 7 and 10 billion dollar range each team. Excuse me. If the NBA expansion is approved, the Oklahoma City Thunder will seed all Seattle era history Back to the SuperSonics. The NBA current draft rules. Expansion teams will get to steal unprotected players from team. Teams can protect up to eight players. Team cannot protect players on expiring contracts or restricted free agents. Only one player taken per team. Contract transfers are as they are. Contracts transfer as they are. Expansion teams get good NBA draft chances at the number one pick. Hey, I'm kidding. I remember the supersonic. The supersonics used to be good.
Ocho
What's the chances of the vote being passed and them having an NBA team in Vegas? What do you think the chances?
Unk
100%. Did you see you do realize like this. 7 to 10 billion dollars.
Ocho
Yeah.
Unk
That goes into other owners pockets. Yes, that's how it works. Yeah. Expansion. Yeah. Team relocates, that money goes to the owner's pockets. So yeah, there's a great, there's a great chance. Not. Not. 199.9999-9923 the Seattle's used to be good. Seattle Seahawks. The Seattle SuperSonics. SuperSonics yeah, when they had Dennis Johnson, they had Gus Williams, Kevin Webster, Wally Walker, they were great. They were really slick. They were really, really good back in the late 70s and the early 80s.
Ocho
Oh, you know, with GP that was
Unk
good in the 90s, but I'm talking about really Lenny Wilkins were the head coach. They were really, really, really good. Really good. Won an NBA championship. That'll be great. And team right here in Las Vegas, they got hockey, they got basketball, you got a football team, they about to have a baseball team, they got a WNBA team. They coming seven to $10 billion.
Ocho
Hey, Las Vegas, that's gonna be nice, man. Just trying to think obviously already NFL team there, WNBA team there, NBA team coming.
Unk
It's up and coming.
Ocho
It's nice.
Unk
And that's why the super. That's why Seattle, Seattle might go for 10 billion. The Seahawks, they'll probably go somewhere between 8 to 10 billion. The Cowboys. The Cowboys probably worth 20 billion.
Ocho
Damn.
Unk
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, absolutely.
Ocho
That's crazy.
Unk
They've been, you look, they, they've been, they've kind of been like this looking at little Vegas and Vegas they have influx, it's growing. They got, you know, like I said, they got the major, all the major sports. Baseball is coming here. In a couple years they're going to get the A's franchise that's going to relocate to Vegas. So you're going to have all the major sports. You got hockey, you got baseball, you got football, you got basketball, you got wnba, you got all this entertainment. You got big conventions. That's why they going to get another Super Bowl. That's why hotel rooms is never an issue. Everything is, is, everything is, is close proximity. LA gonna be hell, LA gonna be a. A cause you know how spread out LA is.
Ocho
Yeah, Huge.
Unk
It's already gonna take, it's already gonna take you 50 hours to get something.
Ocho
Hey, if you have to deal with that 10 o'.
Unk
Clock. Yeah, even 6 o' clock in the
Ocho
morning, hey, you got to deal with that four or five. Good luck.
Unk
You ain't gotta tell me. And. But I get a little Seahawks. The Seahawks, because they're, they're, they're. It was written in his real Allen, Paul Allen, that after X amount of time his sister was the executive of his state would sell the Seahawks and the money would be given to donated to charity.
Ocho
Damn.
Unk
That's what he wanted. And, and she's selling the. He owned the Seahawks. He owned the Blazers. I think they're in the process. The Blazers are in the process of being sold for about 4 billion Seahawks gonna go some probably around somewhere. 8 to 10 billion. Yep. That's why people like, oh, get 10%, bro. Do you know what 10% of these. These. That's 800. That's a billion dollars. That's why it's. I mean, you might get a. A 1%, right, or 0.5%, but ain't a whole lot. Oh, ain't a whole lot of players got that kind of money. A billion dollars is 10. We gotta play the lottery. I gotta go someplace. I gotta hear what you talk about. X, man. Xavier McDaniel, Columbia, South Carolina. We're gonna win the lottery. We go back, we'll buy 2%.
Ocho
Hey, man, that lottery fix, man. Well, hey, that, that lottery fix, I mean, listen, for. For certain individuals, they've won it twice in a row. I'm not gonna get into all that,
Unk
but, you know, well, I sure let him fix. Let him fix it. Let me win. We gonna get it, Ocho. We'll have chat GPT to help us out.
Ocho
Listen, we. We gonna get blessed without that lottery. We gonna be all right.
Unk
Oh, for sure. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's not a doubt in my mind. Ocho, there's a question going viral. Which is the more most iconic chain in hip hop? You got bad boy, you got terror.
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Unk
Squad. You got G Unit. You got Death Row, Rough Riders, Dipset. Death Row.
Ocho
I like. I like that Rockefeller chain.
Unk
Oh hello Rockefeller. Oh, there it is. Yeah, yeah. Hello. Which one is Rockefeller? Is that. Is that the middle?
Ocho
That's not it. At the bottom, in between cash money and all.
Unk
That's what I was gonna say. That. Oh, that's a good one, Chad. Oh, that's a good one. Damn. The Rough Riders. The Terror Squad Bad Boy. That's. Damn. But, yeah.
Ocho
Which one? Which one you think?
Unk
It's just something about that. That, man. That Death Row, when they had. When they had Dre.
Ocho
Yeah. When it was on top. When they. When they were on top. Yeah, it meant something. Something about that. That Rockefeller chain, man. It was. It was.
Unk
Yeah.
Ocho
Different.
Unk
I do like the no Limit tank. The Rough Rider was good. The terrorists, I mean, you look at them and you. And you know exactly who they are.
Ocho
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Unk
Yeah, man. That Death Roto boy.
Ocho
Well, had a nice little run, too, right?
Unk
Yeah.
Ocho
Cash money.
Unk
I mean, the thing is. And I know, like, Snoop. I know Snoop. I know P.
Ocho
Remember. Remember Big Pun?
Unk
Yeah, yeah. He's a Terror squad. Yeah.
Ocho
Yeah.
Unk
What about Drake, Al Ovo? Is that. Is that. They got a chain?
Ocho
The owl?
Unk
Yeah.
Ocho
I mean, they. They. I'm. I'm not sure if they have a. I know the owl is a. Is a symbol that represents oval. I'm not sure they have a chain. I'm sure they. I'm sure they do.
Unk
Right? What about the Def Jam Have a chain?
Ocho
I don't think.
Unk
You know, Def Jam used to have it. They had Run dmc ll.
Ocho
Oh, yeah.
Unk
The Beastie Boys. Slick Rick.
Ocho
Slick Rick.
Unk
Oh, you know. Cause, you know, Pete, Snoop was with Death Row and no Limit. I don't know. That's. That's a tough one. I. I mean, I think I got to go Death Row.
Ocho
That's all right. I mean, honestly, you can't go wrong.
Unk
Yeah.
Ocho
Depending on. Depending on who you pick, depending on where you're from, depending on what area you grew up in, too,
Unk
for sure. What y' all thinking, Chad? Who y' all got?
Ocho
Somebody? Some death row. Easy.
Unk
Somebody say Death Row? No Limit. G Unit. Rap a lot.
Ocho
I forgot about rap a lot.
Unk
Yeah. I need to call my boy.
Ocho
Brother Face.
Unk
Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah, that's exactly who I will call. All right, we're gonna get out of here on this. It's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Before we get to our Super Chat, we got a video voicemail from our Discord. Make sure you join the Discord to submit videos for voicemail for us to show. This one comes from Boogie let's take a. Let's take a listen to what Boogie had to say.
Ocho
What's up? Unk Ocho and still King Ice O Joe. This is Randall from okc. I just wanted to know what y'
Unk
all thought about this, because this is
Ocho
who I see in the finals this year. Boston Celtics, OKC all the way healthy, both teams. Who y' all got? I got okc.
Unk
You know how I'm rocking OC or no city. I like that. I think we were talking about this last night. That healthy. JT's gonna get more games up under his belt. He seems to be adjusting quite well, having been off of the length of time that he's been off. That's gonna. That's gonna be a great series. Both teams healthy. I can see it going seven games. I probably have to pick OKC as well, but I ain't. I ain't selling San Antonio out. San Antonio, man, I'm telling you, they good. They are really. They're. They're really good, but they struggle a little bit right now with the Clippers. It's 30 seconds left in the game. It's a 115, 114. The Clippers are playing without Kawhi. So for it to be this close without Kawhi, who's having a. An all NBA type of a season, Let's see what he got here. See if Wimby wouldn't be going crazy. No, he. He ain't doing too. But he got 21, 13. Castle got 23. Devin Basell has 18. Darren Fox has 16. Got Carter. Bryant has 10. Yeah, this good game. I didn't think it would be this close considering that Kawhi wasn't in there, but give them. Give them credit. The Clippers have played hard. For the Clippers to be this many games under.500 to start and then get Kawhi back and to. To get this, because I think they're like a. A top what? A top eight, Top nine seed.
Ocho
Yeah.
Unk
They got an opportunity for the play in if Kawhi can just stay healthy. But yeah, I can see. I can see Boston. I can see Boston. The Cavs. The Cavs just too up and down for me. Ocho.
Ocho
Yeah. Too inconsistent.
Unk
They too. Too inconsistent. Miami, you know, I don't know if Miami has enough. They get Norman Powell back with the way hero is playing. Bam. Coming off that historic performance, they might do some things. But all things being equal, Healthy, healthy. I think. I think the Celtics probably the best team in the East. It. You make me. You make Me pick. James Johnson. Uncan. Ocho. Do you guys see the Duke Blue. The Duke Blue Devils football team winning a natural national championship similar to the Indiana Hoosiers? Yeah. If y' all gonna put that kind of money into the program like Indiana did.
Ocho
Yeah,
Unk
I wrestle. I win. First is 5,900. Now you missed a free game. Ocho exposed. Ocho, by the way, oo, we love you. We do understand. We wanted to have fun with you. I don't know. Oh, You got hot with your boy. I was just poor. I was just. I was just pouring things out. No, I mean.
Ocho
No, no, no, no. I want hot with you. I would just. I would. I was just hot at the situation itself. Hey, listen, we. We always go through that air blue moon.
Unk
Now he won't check. Now he want me to get tickets to the Lakers. Them tickets anywhere. 15, 20, $25,000.
Ocho
That. That's what the Lakers.
Unk
Yeah.
Ocho
Oh, I would have had. I would have bought my baby with me then.
Unk
Boy, how you gonna break. Where you go? What you gonna say?
Ocho
That you gonna give her the seat? It's her birthday. She.
Unk
You lied to me. Hey, that's. Hey, you give her your seat. Hey, she. She had the game like where your daddy. Oh, he up there.
Ocho
Hey, speak, speak. Speaking of that one. Speaking of cha Cha. You got to see this when I tell you. Next up, Serena Coco. Golf. Sloan Stevens.
Unk
Yeah.
Ocho
Watch. Remember. Remember I told you this. Give me another. Give me another four years. Hey, unknown.
Unk
Hey, what did Joe say? Would Joe upset with you?
Ocho
No, no, he said. He said. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Text message. Text message. I talked to Joe. What time this was? Everybody? This is about 11 last night.
Unk
I started texting last night. You know Ocho ain't coming, right?
Ocho
Nice. It's. But it's way. It's 11:00 clock this morning.
Unk
No, I told. I could have texted last night, told him you weren't coming, but who you JP Concerts. Y' all take shots every time. Ocho said obviously we all getting drunk. I only say obviously three times in one sentence. Surf the tsunami. How would you guys feel if the NFL had similar. Had something similar to the WBC fever World cup and the soccer World cup where other countries compete in football. Man, they get the hell beat out of don't nobody play football. But yes.
Ocho
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's. There's the level of talent. It means it's too such a huge skill gap.
Unk
Yeah.
Ocho
You know what happened? Matter of fact, speaking of World cup is what happens when we play against them.
Unk
Yeah.
Ocho
There's such a huge skill gap when it comes to us having to play some of the big countries, the Francis, the Brazils. I mean.
Unk
Yeah. No,
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Unk
Y' all in no country beating us in football because y' all don't play it. Y'. All. Football is soccer. Our football is. Is football. Yeah. Good luck, y'. All. Quarterback won't make it out the first quarter because who blocking Miles Garrett? Who blocking Micah?
Ocho
Who blocking anybody?
Unk
Jeffrey Simmons. And then who getting open. RP root. It feels like Lamar is underappreciated in Baltimore with the trey pickup. This feels like a prove it year. If he fails again, maybe the football gods would give us a Lamar Jack experience in Atlanta. Look, this contract is not easy. Lamar was gonna probably want north of $300 million, probably 270 of that guaranteed. Whoo. So Steve says, look, I want to do. If you want to be here, I want you here. But I only want you here if you want to be here. I don't know. The wranglings, the wording of the contract, that's between Lamar and his mom and the Ravens brass. But a number like that doesn't get resolved easy. You got to be thinking about this, Ocho. You need to be thinking about this. Last year, two years ago, okay? From the very first time we did this contract, when we did this last contract that we got him after he played on the franchise tag, okay? If he performs, what are we prepared to do to go north of this? Because that's what it's going to take. So you got to start planning.
Ocho
Yeah, man.
Unk
You don't say, you know what? I'm buying a house tomorrow. No, you go to the house, you start saving. You started saving years ago, man. Hey, man, I can't be out here having a good time, man. I'm saving up for me a house. You got to look at Lamar Jackson as a foundation, as a house that says, hey, we need to start planning. Two years ago. Yeah, for today. But I don't think he ain't unappreciated in Baltimore.
Ocho
No. No, man.
Unk
Y' all see the way them people be killing me? Big bite. LeBron Duncan on the son. And the father is crazy work. Yeah, he got. He got Jabari Smell Junior and then he looked at it, and then Jabari, you couldn't do numbers about like, Damn. I let this old. I let this old. Did you get me bad? Don't sleep on him now. He still got some ups. Can he jump like he could at 20, 25, 30? No, don't let him catch you slipping now. Sean Hubbard. Hey, guys. Hey. Love you guys. Can you give my wife Latoya a shout out? Made her a fan, too. Absolutely. Sean, thank you for joining us, man. We appreciate the support. Latoya, he just want to give you a shout out. You ain't got no birthday. It ain't no anniversary. He just wanted to know he loves you. So, Latoya from Nightcap Family, Ocho and I, thanks for becoming a fan. We appreciate you.
Ocho
Well, I'm Ashy boy.
Unk
Yep. Desmond Williams, not a receiver. Core is top three. And ocho as hell. Send someone to 5990ers receiving course. Top three in what?
Ocho
Top three and what? And they ain't even played together, man. What are you. What are we. What are we talking about?
Unk
Hell, even if they play together, they ain't top three. So that means they would have to be behind Cincinnati and the Cowboys in front of. Oh, so. So you got Puka and Devonte. You got Chasing Higgins, and you got CD and Pig. So that means they. They in front of one of those combos. I don't know which one, but they're in front of one of them. If you say they top three, so what about aj?
Ocho
AJ and devonte?
Unk
Okay, that means they're in front of two of those three, two of those four. I just said Ocho. That's what he said. I didn't say it.
Ocho
Is it. Hey, listen, they gonna play well. They gonna play well because of the names on paper, just because the team they go into. But let's. Let's let it happen first.
Unk
Slow down, Kevin Boat Knight. You playing with your brother would have been diabolical for your opponents. No, my brother had retired by that time. 95 season. My brother retired in 95. So after the 95 season, I was potentially. I was going to Arizona, and then in 99, I was about to get traded during the season to Green Bay TS Car Wash Detail Service. Is Tony Gonzalez the best tight end ever? For me, I got Kelsey slightly above Gronk. I think Gronk and I think Kelsey and Gronk are the two best tight ends that I saw with my own two eyes. I think Tony had an unbelievable season. But the big games in which those guys delivered game in and game out, year in and year out, not just regular season, big games, but the postseason. That's why I give those two guys deny. But I mean, when you got 1300 catches over 15,000 yards, the second most touchdowns at that position, I can see why somebody would say you the best. But you look at what Gronk and Kelsey's done in the postseason. And you look at the numbers that they put up in the regular season in every big game. Those guys can't. That's where I'm at. Hey, Camp 24, who do you believe should be a 99 over and made it madding in 27? Miles Garrett.
Ocho
Yeah, that's about right. Miles, I think.
Unk
Miles Garrett. I think. I think JSN gonna get 99. I think Puka's gonna get 99.
Ocho
I like that.
Unk
I think Trey McBride's gonna get a 99.
Ocho
He put. He put together another season like that.
Unk
Well, he just put. Just put together back to back hunter catch seasons, and this one was a 126.
Ocho
Damn.
Unk
Yeah.
Ocho
That's crazy.
Unk
So I got Miles, JSN, Puka, Trey McBride
Ocho
probably think who else? That's. That's about it.
Unk
Yeah. Kevin Boat Knight. OO you and. Oo. Oh, you and TO was top tier, top five defenses that year. Wish you all had won the chip, bro. Yeah. TO putting it up working. Tio got hurt. He tore his ACL that year and what, like week 13, Ocho, when. When he was in Cincinnati with you.
Ocho
He didn't get hurt.
Unk
Tio did get hurt. You did? Yes.
Ocho
I don't remember that. No, no, no, he didn't get hurt. Not that I remember.
Unk
Pull up to. Pull up to in Cincinnati.
Ocho
I. I would remember that.
Unk
Oo.
Ocho
God damn. That was so long ago. Why can't he. I know that. I know that joker. I know that joker were balling boy.
Unk
Yeah. He's about to have another thousand. A thousand yard. June 2011. Yeah. Yeah.
Ocho
What happened?
Unk
He tore his acl.
Ocho
How the heck. I wonder. I wonder.
Unk
What week.
Ocho
What week was that? What week?
Unk
That was josh allen. Probably be 99 too. In josh allen already at 99. Ocho.
Ocho
I. I don't know.
Unk
Yeah, that's what. Yeah, he tore his meniscus the off season during a personal workout session. Yeah. So he tore his meniscus.
Ocho
Ah, okay.
Unk
Okay, okay with y'.
Ocho
All.
Unk
And then doing a personal workout. He tore his acl. But I know he had got injured. I think he got injured like week 13 with you guys. Oh, he's about to have a thousand yard season.
Ocho
Yeah.
Unk
510. Steve, make sure you ask Dak about that prenup back about that. Oh, Stafford might be 99 too, Ocho.
Ocho
Hey, you can't just give everybody 99.
Unk
Yeah,
Ocho
everybody can have a 99, but I. I think.
Unk
But you. When you go back and look at like, mvp. Normally the mvp it okay. And, and you know, he had what he had 46 touchdowns on Joe. 46 touchdowns, eight interceptions. And the way hey, his postseason, it took a herculean effort for the Seahawks, but it was.
Ocho
Beat them boys.
Unk
Yeah, yeah, but I, I. Miles Garrett, I think Miles Garrett for sure. I think JSN and Puka three. I think McBride, I think those are definite. I think, I think what you call was a 99. If I'm not mistaken. I think Josh Allen was already a 99, so he might dip down 98, but I think those four definitely gonna be 99. Ocho, make sure to ask Deck about that prenup. Man, I ain't asking that. That's a personal stuff. He. I wish. I wish them the best they got. They. They're gonna be co parents now. They got two small children and that is, hey, that's what they got to think about. It's not about him. It's not about her. What is in the best interest of the children? I don't know. I don't care what went on. They'll figure it out. Sam Le Grand, 89. That was Harper's problem in the best man. Always chasing an elusive better you right.
Ocho
Hey,
Unk
Piano. Magnus E. Oh, can you shout out my Cousin Holter turning 21 yesterday. He's a big Falcons fan and life. Any life advice for him turning 21? Yeah, try to turn 22.
Ocho
Hey, that was a good one. That's a good one.
Unk
Yes. Halter. Happy 21st.
Ocho
Happy birthday, man.
Unk
You do a lot of things now, but cherish that time. Enjoy it. Nothing really special about 21. You have to get up, go to work. I don't know if you're in school or anything, but hey, just try to be better. Try to be better at 21 than
Ocho
you were at 20 and save your money.
Unk
Save it. Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy. Hey, Doc. Hey, fam. Do you think relationships feel harder for y' all because of who you are? And if so, why not treat marriage like the game? Commit, adjust, fight for it every single day. Even when you do all that, Doc, you still can get traded. You still can get cut.
Ocho
Come on now, talk about it.
Unk
Tom Brady, as committed as anybody got let go. Peyton Manning, as committed as anybody got let go. Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Emmett Smith, Bruce Smith, Terrell Owens, Randy.
Ocho
Hey, hey. Sometimes you get tired of fighting. Yeah, sometimes you get. You get tired of fighting. Sometimes you just want peace. You don't want to auger all the time.
Unk
It could be. For the most. For the most part. Ocho when you in a relationship, they don't be looking at you like you somebody special. They cut you out just like they would a regular person.
Ocho
Absolutely. Absolutely.
Unk
They might even go harder in the pain on you because of who you are. Yes. It's definitely not an easy situation. What you think, you think we get treated different because of who we are?
Ocho
I mean, it, it, it come with a territory now, and there's no way to hide that most of the time. And hey, that, that's it. Just, it's a part of us at this point, you know, we 30. You 30. I'm at 30 plus years in being who I am, so I have to accept that most of the time. You know, being able to decipher whether people are here for that. I mean, obviously there's really no benefit of being with me because I ain't spending no goddamn money. So that if you with me, you actually really with me for me, because you ain't getting. I mean, no disrespect. I'm going to, to do the things I should do, but I don't go over and beyond where it's like, oh, you living this crazy lifestyle, because that ain't it. That ain't happening. So anyone dealing with me is, they genuinely have to like me.
Unk
Yeah, it's tough. It's. It's tough. You have to be mindful. At the end of the day, you strip all that away. I'm still a human being. Yeah, you take the NFL, you take the hall of Fame, you take the podcast. I'm still a human being. I still have feelings. I, you know, I don't feel, I don't want to talk to you any kind of way. But I was, by the same token, don't feel you can talk to me any kind of way because of who I am in the situation that I'm in. And I'm gonna allow that because that's not happening. I'm not gonna be, you know, disrespectful. I don't call women out of their names. I don't call them this and that and all that other stuff. That ain't who I am. Ojo. I'm not. Yeah. By the same token, I don't want you calling me out my name. Terry Bullard, no Limit Tank all day. I mean, a lot of people had, they had Death Row, the no Limit Tank, TS Car Wash Detail, Service Roc, Chain, Easy. Everybody wanted that chain. Rappers who wasn't even signed over there wanted that chain.
Ocho
The Rock.
Unk
I wrestle. I win. Unc Ocho. What's the scariest hit you've seen or taken. Ocho, stop being cheap and pay the light bill for your nightcap sign.
Ocho
Hey. Oh, my. My scariest hit was Brian Russell. I never forget. Cleveland Browns late in the fourth quarter. We up 28, 28 something ain't no reason for me to even be in the game with three minutes, two minutes left, whatever it was only time I got hit and got knocked out. Out cold.
Unk
You trying to get a cheat try to get the cheap touchdown or 100 yards.
Ocho
Yeah, I don't know what I was doing, though. A little slam route. Hey, man, I wouldn't try to jump, knowing good and well I it was too high. Why am I even jumping? I jumped anyway. Brian. Brian Russell went right underneath my chin. Hey, all this was split open. Big gash I'd never forget. And that was the last time I got. Last time I got hit 12, 12 years I got hit one. One good time. That was it.
Unk
Yeah, I got a couple of those he got me to in Minnesota, so. I know the feeling. Got me right up under my chin too.
Ocho
Wait, Brian Russell again.
Unk
Yep.
Ocho
Hey, we. Hey, we. Hey, we gonna have to jump him.
Unk
Yeah. Yeah. I think he got fine for my head. He got fine for yours.
Ocho
Absolutely.
Unk
Yeah.
Ocho
No, absolutely not. No, because remember, everything was. Everything was we. We. It was football back then.
Unk
Always. J Twist Kawhi back to the spurs to play to pair with Wimby next year. J Boogie underscore 11 UNC Ocho, do you think Vegas is the place where family can relocate and make a good living? And Ocho, is Cambodia the one? For sure. I like. I like Vegas, but I. I like being out of the way. I. I don't. I don't do a whole lot, Ocho. I don't do a whole lot. I go work out. I work out in my garage. I mean, my RV truck been in my. Well, with my garage. I work out of there. I do cardio there. I go to the gym, I come home, I prepare to do nightcap. I sit in the backyard a couple of times. You know, not too much because people, you know, I got neighbors. And even though I got a fence and everything like that, they can hear the conversation. So for the most part, I'm just chilling inside. It's a great place. It all depends. I'm not on the Strip. I don't, you know, I don't really hang out or anything like that. But it all depends on what you like to do. They have some. Everything. They got great eateries, you know, obviously they Got the strip. They got entertainment that you can go to. It all depends on what you're trying to do. Yeah, yeah. Cambodia is the one for Ocho.
Ocho
Yeah, the
Unk
quitting mobile. If Ocho snaps, he'll start a fire. So you so dry, Ocho.
Ocho
Oh, yeah. Hey, look at my knuckles Chat.
Unk
Yeah, like you've been punching flour.
Ocho
Hey, I jumped in the shower before I got on the show. Come on, you know, I gotta be,
Unk
you know, biscuits or something.
Ocho
Huh?
Unk
You making biscuits?
Ocho
No, I just, I ain't, I ain't. I didn't want to waste no lotion because what's, what's the point of putting on lotion right before the show and then when I go to sleep, I got to get up and put it on again? Why not just wait till I wake up for my flight and then put lotion on instead of.
Unk
First of all, you need to wash your ass when you wake up.
Ocho
Wait, hold on. I took a shower before the show. You want me to go to sleep for four hours and take a shower again?
Unk
Yeah. Cause you gonna sweat. Yes.
Ocho
Why would I sweat? My AC is 60. It's 60 degrees.
Unk
I don't care. You still sweat.
Ocho
I, I don't sweat. Hey, you dub. Hey, that. Serious question. You double up on showers in such a short amount of time like that? For real?
Unk
Yeah, I always take a shower. I don't care if I gotta get up at 4 o' clock in the morning. If I, if I got a car service picking me up at 4:00'.
Ocho
Clock. Right.
Unk
I'm getting up at 3:15 to shower.
Ocho
Yeah, but you better than me because I, my, my, like my. Excuse me. My water bill is not going over $50. It's not going over 50. I, I wish I, you know, I wish I could show you my light bill. I mean, my water bill. My water bill last night wash was $53. $53.
Unk
I, I'm making up all the times I didn't get a chance to shower when I was a kid. Okay, see that, that I'm making up a lost time.
Ocho
That's understandable. That's understandable.
Unk
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Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Date: March 17, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe ("Unk") & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson ("Ocho")
Episode Focus: Hour 2 of "Nightcap" – Recapping viral moments from sports, NFL offseason moves, NBA expansion buzz, hip hop nostalgia, and relationship talk with trademark vulnerability and humor.
This lively episode of Nightcap, hosted by NFL legends Shannon Sharpe (Unk) and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, mixes viral NFL storylines, major sports business moves, NBA expansion news, and a spirited debate about the most iconic hip hop chain. The episode also features raw, relatable relationship discussions and an interactive listener Q&A.
[03:02 - 05:28]
[05:29 - 21:39]
[21:44 - 23:50]
[23:50 - 28:47]
[34:13 - 37:34]
[38:36 - 62:15]
On Endurance in Relationships:
“You can have fun with anybody…when it comes to suffering, who you want to do that with?” – Unk [06:24]
On Communication:
“Uncommunicated expectations will ruin a relationship.” – Unk [13:28]
On Changing for Partners:
“Two of the hardest things to do is to hit a baseball and to keep a woman happy long term.” – Ocho [17:01]
On NBA Expansion:
“That’s 7 to 10 billion dollars…that goes into other owners' pockets.” – Unk [25:24]
On Hip Hop Nostalgia:
“There’s just something about that Death Row…when they had Dre…” – Unk [35:01]
“It’s something about that Rockefeller chain…different.” – Ocho [36:21]
On Athlete Vulnerability:
“You strip all that away, I’m still a human being.” – Unk [58:26]
“Anyone dealing with me, they genuinely have to like me.” – Ocho [57:32]
Warm, candid, humorous, and grounded in real life. Shannon and Chad blend vulnerability and levity, creating an engaging, unfiltered conversation filled with sports nostalgia and life wisdom.
Nightcap Hour 2 showcases Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ocho” Johnson at their most relatable, moving from viral sports stories to deeper discussions about relationships and self-awareness, and finishing with lively debates and direct fan interaction. This episode is a must-listen for anyone who craves insight, laughter, and unfiltered truth from two of sports’ most charismatic voices.