Nightcap - Hour 2: Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson react to rumors that Adam Sandler may cast Derrick Henry in his next movie

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap - Hour 2 Summary

Release Date: June 10, 2025

In the second hour of "Club Shay Shay," renowned NFL legend Shannon Sharpe hosts Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson to delve into a variety of pressing topics within the sports and entertainment worlds. The conversation is dynamic, insightful, and filled with candid reactions to current events, providing listeners with an engaging behind-the-scenes look at the minds of two prominent sports figures.

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Adam Sandler’s Potential Casting of Derrick Henry

[01:48] Shannon Sharpe: "Adam Sandler will cast Derrick Henry in a movie if he runs for another 2,000 yards."

Shannon Sharpe kicks off the discussion by highlighting a viral rumor: comedian and actor Adam Sandler allegedly offered Tennessee Titans' star running back Derrick Henry a role in his next movie contingent upon Henry surpassing the 2,000-yard rushing mark for the season. Sharpe shares the playful message Henry received from Sandler, emphasizing the unique blend of sports achievement and Hollywood opportunity.

[02:39] Chad Johnson: "They don't need to be no cameo. I need you. I need to have about 10 minutes."

Ochocinco expresses excitement over the possibility, suggesting that Henry deserves a substantial role rather than just a brief cameo. The conversation underscores Henry's exceptional performance in the NFL and the crossover appeal he holds beyond the football field.

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NFL Player Contracts and Frustrations

[04:37] Shannon Sharpe: "Terry McLaurin has made it clear he's frustrated with the lack of progress on a long-term deal."

The duo transitions to discussing quarterback Terry McLaurin's ongoing contract negotiations. Highlighting McLaurin's professionalism and leadership, they lament the NFL's business-centric approach, which often sidelines deserving players in contract discussions.

[05:06] Chad Johnson: "When it's time to repay you for doing everything the right way, they play with you because it's about business."

Ochocinco critiques the NFL's prioritization of business over player welfare, advocating for a more equitable treatment of athletes who consistently perform and lead both on and off the field.

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Madden Ratings and Player Perception

[07:05] Shannon Sharpe: "I don't see it all bad. I want to see if you go across there and catch it. I could do the same thing like Ray did in real life. I could do it on Madden."

Shannon and Ochocinco delve into the impact of video game ratings on player reputations, specifically referencing how Terry McLaurin feels about his portrayal in Madden. They discuss the balance between fair assessment and constructive criticism, emphasizing the responsibility of media figures in shaping public perception.

[09:08] Chad Johnson: "Consistency every week, no matter who you’re playing, no matter the situation."

Ochocinco underscores the importance of consistency for players, suggesting that regular performance improvements can positively influence their ratings and overall reputation.

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Hall of Fame Discussions

[20:07] Shannon Sharpe: "I thought I knew what a Hall of Famer was until I saw some guys that started not getting in. It took them 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 times to get in."

The conversation shifts to the intricacies of the Pro Football Hall of Fame selection process. Shannon reflects on his own experience of being inducted on the third attempt, highlighting the challenges and subjective nature of Hall of Fame inductions.

[20:45] Chad Johnson: "That's why I inducted myself."

Ochocinco humorously remarks on the process, adding levity to the discussion while acknowledging the complexities involved in being recognized among the elite in professional football.

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Super Bowl Economic Impact

[28:02] Shannon Sharpe: "A new study from LSU Business School found that Super Bowl 59 had a major economic impact on Louisiana, generating an estimated $1,250,000,000."

Sharpe and Ochocinco analyze the significant economic benefits that major sporting events like the Super Bowl bring to host cities. They discuss the influx of tourists, job creation, and the long-term financial advantages for regions like New Orleans.

[30:46] Chad Johnson: "Do you know how many people can make a billion dollars in a week?"

Ochocinco marvels at the rapid economic growth generated by such events, emphasizing the strategic importance for cities competing to host these high-profile games.

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Turf Fields vs. Natural Grass Debate

[25:00] Shannon Sharpe: "No sport should ever be played on turf. 17 of the 32 teams play on artificial turf because, guess what?"

The debate intensifies as Shannon criticizes the NFL's reliance on artificial turf fields, citing increased injury risks despite the cost-efficiency for teams. They discuss the environmental and physical implications of turf versus natural grass, sharing personal anecdotes from their playing days.

[27:30] Chad Johnson: "I like it because if it's raining on, you still know you can run full speed, and you can still stop on a dime."

Ochocinco counters Shannon's argument by highlighting the performance benefits he experienced on turf, illustrating the nuanced perspectives athletes can have on playing surfaces.

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Final Thoughts and Takeaways

Throughout the episode, Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson engage in a spirited exchange of ideas, balancing humor with serious insights into the sports industry. Their chemistry and mutual respect shine through as they tackle each topic, offering listeners a comprehensive understanding of the issues at hand.

Notable Quotes:

• Shannon Sharpe [01:48]: "Adam Sandler will cast Derrick Henry in a movie if he runs for another 2,000 yards."
• Chad Johnson [02:41]: "In the movie, the whole thing. You need to be the main attraction."
• Shannon Sharpe [04:37]: "Terry McLaurin has made it clear he's frustrated with the lack of progress on a long-term deal."
• Chad Johnson [25:00]: "No sport should ever be played on turf. 17 of the 32 teams play on artificial turf because, guess what?"

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Conclusion

This episode of "Club Shay Shay" offers a deep dive into the intersections of sports performance, athlete representation, and the business dynamics of the NFL. Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson provide listeners with valuable perspectives, making complex topics accessible and relatable. Whether discussing potential Hollywood ventures for athletes or critiquing league-wide practices, their conversation is both informative and entertaining.

For more insightful discussions and exclusive interviews with top athletes, celebrities, and influencers, tune into "Club Shay Shay" on iHeartRadio.

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[Tom Brokaw]

The volume Ocho Adam Sandler will cast Derrick Henry in a movie if if he runs for another 2, 000 yards. Adam Sandler sent Henry a message saying 2, 000 yards plus this year not only gets you in a movie, but I'll have a nice dinner together and talk about Dan Patrick facial hair and how hard it is for him to grow. I love you. Keep it up. Henry one of nine players to ever produce a 2,000-yard rush season. He did it in 2020. If he eclipses 2,000 yards in 2025, he'll become the first player ever to record two 2,000 yard seasons and could earn a cameo in a movie.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I mean, listen, they don't need.

[Tom Brokaw]

To be no cameo. I need you. I need to have about 10 minutes.

[Ocho Cinco]

In the movie, the whole thing. You need to be the main attraction.

[Tom Brokaw]

At least 10 minutes. Oh, so you got to think about the NFL. The NFL is 100607 years old.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

Nobody has ever done 2000 twice, right? Yeah, man, I need. I need about 10, 15 minutes.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, listen, he's in the right situation to do it. He's in.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah, for sure.

[Ocho Cinco]

Listen, to do it, you know, over there with Lamar, brother Bateman, brother, brother Zay Flowers. Listen, if.

[Tom Brokaw]

Baby, he got 2,000. They listened to me early instead of put him in that offset eye and put it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, listen, they know now. They know now.

[Tom Brokaw]

Told them. Man. Man, shut up. You don't know what you put the man in the eye. Yeah, he's an eyeback.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

Because he. Oh, the thing is he needs to get a head of steam. He ain't one of them quick back the jump stop like Saquon Saquon. Jir Gibbs can run out. Can run out of the offset.

[Ocho Cinco]

Montgomery could do that too.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not. But that's not him. He's an old school. He's a Emmett Smith, He's a Bo Jackson, a Herschel Walker, he's a Eric Dickerson. He's that guy put his heels at 9, tossing the ball.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

Hand him the ball. Yeah, they messed they bull jed around the first three, four games. He supposed to have 2000.

[Ocho Cinco]

Could have had it.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

You know what? He might hit it. Oh, you got to realize that was his first season now. That was his first season in offense. So now he's already acclimated. He knows the plays. You know, the.

[Tom Brokaw]

They.

[Ocho Cinco]

They understand what he can and can't do. They understand his strengths. And I. I'm crazy for even saying they understand his weaknesses as well and what not to do with him. Man, no telling what he gonna run for this. Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

Ocho. Scary. Terry McLaurin is reportedly frustrated on a long term deal.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes, sir.

[Tom Brokaw]

According to Jordan Schultz, Terry McLaurin has made it clear to the team that he's frustrated with the lack of progress on a long term deal.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

As I previously reported, McLaren unexpectedly left voluntary workouts after initially attending, and it remains to be seen whether he'll report to mandatory minicamp. McClorying. McLaurin is entering the final year of his contracts and talks have been minimal.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, you see? You see how they do you? You see how they do you? He does everything right. He does everything he's supposed to say he's a captain. He's the perfect professional. You know what? He is like Larry Fro reincarnated. And I'm talking about his approach to the game, saying all the right things, being a team leader. But you see what they see, how they do you.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

You do everything the right way. When it was time to repay you for doing everything the right way, they play with you. Why? Because it's about business. It's always been about business. I think he's going to get what he deserves. He gonna get his deal done. They understand how important he is to and for that offense. And if anything, I think Jaden Daniels at some point steps in and interferes and says, let's get this job. Let's get this deal done. Same way Joe Burrow did with T. Higgins. The same way Joe Burrow did with Jamar Chase. I'm not here to play no games. I need my number one target to be here. Do what you need to do to get it done.

[Tom Brokaw]

They do. Man, I hate. I hate to do this. Guys that be professional, do everything, do all the right things, play hard.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

Be leaders on and off the field. And when it comes time to get y' all, y' all drag your feet.

[Ocho Cinco]

They don't matter. All that don't matter. All that don't matter, man. That's just for. Because when it comes time to it, they gonna play you every time.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah, you might.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, you might as well act a fool. Just be yourself. Whatever. Whatever that may be. Some people have to play the game. Some people just choose to be themselves because at the end of the day, they're gonna play both us. No matter how you approach it.

[Tom Brokaw]

Hopefully scary Terry gets something done because he's been a model citizen and he's played extremely well for them. Ram safety Cam Curl said he's done playing mad. No Joe. After they published a trailer of him getting juked out by Saquan. Yeah, Cam Curl, he tweeted laugh my. You know what?

[Ocho Cinco]

Off.

[Tom Brokaw]

I ain't playing, man, this year. Why they do me like that? Dog been playing all my life. And how my first thing on the.

[Ocho Cinco]

Trailer gonna be, hey, listen, it's all good. It happened to the best of us. They're alive.

[Tom Brokaw]

You say it's all good, but they ain't got that hit that Ray put on you on there old Madden.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, but listen, it continues to replace still 20 years later. I have a longer. Was it this man?

[Tom Brokaw]

Oh, so you know how many people go get that mad?

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, you know how many People don't see me get ran over by Ray.

[Tom Brokaw]

I want to see it on Madden.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, hey, he gonna be all right. He gonna be all right. Listen, it's not. It's not.

[Tom Brokaw]

I don't see it all bad. I want to see if you go across there and catch it. I could do the same thing like Ray did in real life. I could do it on Madden.

[Ocho Cinco]

You can, you can. You definitely can. Listen, I think. Listen, I think it's a good thing. It's an iconic moment. You might have been the one that got hurdled over. But listen, you could tell your grandkids. Boy, look at your daddy, man.

[Tom Brokaw]

I ain't telling my grandkids.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, I was on the COVID of Madden. What is it, 26 or 25?

[Tom Brokaw]

Would you tell your grandkids you got beat up? Yeah, I know you are.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, listen, I live in my truth. I live in my truth. Listen, your daddy used to fight. I lost a few, though. I lost. I lost a few. And being I'd be able to name them too, I'm gonna have. Excuse.

[Tom Brokaw]

You think players should be sensitive about how they're portrayed in Madden?

[Ocho Cinco]

No. Well, okay, yes, yes. That means a lot. That means a lot to the players.

[Tom Brokaw]

It does.

[Ocho Cinco]

You know, I do. I do the ratings. I do the ratings. So I try to be as fair as possible for those players that have. That are disgruntled and upset about what their ratings are like. Listen, I played the game. I understand the game. I watch all of you very, very closely, especially the skill, possession, the wide receivers and DBs. Now the. The other positions. I really don't have anything to do and no say so in what your ratings are. But why receiving the dbs? I'm watching you. So if your rating is what it is, all I need to see is you show out consistently.

[Tom Brokaw]

So improvement, you get improved grade.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, man. Yeah. And at least. And. And if they. Sometimes they come to me in public and like if I had my iPad with me, I'll pull up. I'll pull up like in PowerPoint presentation. This is why you were 83. Because one week we play somebody that's not that good, you cutting up, and then you would play. So you play past 13. Well, you. You go ghost. Where'd you go? I need consistency every week, no matter.

[Tom Brokaw]

Who you playing, I need manager right by me. Give me that. Because, you know, I've only. I've been one of the handful of guys that's ever been a hundred. They need to do right by me. Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, listen, a Hyundai. We got you. We got you. We got you.

[Tom Brokaw]

We're gonna get you a Hyundai.

[Ocho Cinco]

I got me bad.

[Tom Brokaw]

It's only like 3 of our fake time. It's been about 4 or 5 of us that been a Hyundai.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right?

[Tom Brokaw]

So I want a chain. I want some shoes.

[Ocho Cinco]

I got what kind of.

[Tom Brokaw]

In 2027, the guys have been on Hyundai. Be on the COVID I got you.

[Ocho Cinco]

I got you. I can't put you on the COVID But we're gonna take.

[Tom Brokaw]

Why not?

[Ocho Cinco]

We gonna take care of your ultimate team. We're gonna put you on ultimate team. You want to chain, too?

[Tom Brokaw]

Yep.

[Ocho Cinco]

You. You asking for a whole lot.

[Tom Brokaw]

I've been a Hyundai.

[Ocho Cinco]

I know, but that was 30 years ago.

[Tom Brokaw]

It don't matter when it was. It was like, you tell me. I did it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, you right. You right by that. You right by that. I got you.

[Tom Brokaw]

They put man on the moon 50 years ago. They did it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, hold on. You know what? I don't know. That's kind of sketchy. Do you really think they went to the moon 50 years ago?

[Tom Brokaw]

They did. Well, how long ago when you saw him boat ran that nine five.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, that boy was moving. But we were able to see.

[Tom Brokaw]

That was a long time ago. He did it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, hold on. We were able to see that with our own eyes.

[Tom Brokaw]

Well, you saw. You saw me earn that 100 with your own eyes.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. You was all right. You was all right.

[Tom Brokaw]

James Cook reportedly disconnected himself from the organization. Here's what Adam Sand. Adam Sand, Adam Schefter had to say about James Cook's situation. He has basically disconnected himself from the organization and put the city, put his house up for sale. And I don't think we'll be seeing him in Buffalo anytime soon.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I mean, listen, sometimes this is what you got to do. This is the nature of the business. This is not the first time it happened, and it definitely won't be the last time. I would love a James Cook to get his money. It's well deserved. But again, we have to understand, for those that are in the chat, you have to understand how the NFL, the front offices, the GMs, the presidents, how they view the running back position. They're the tier one running backs. The McCaffreys, the Saquons, the Derrick Henrys, the Christian McCaffreys, that they've.

[Tom Brokaw]

Jacob Jibbs.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, yeah. That. That they value. I'm not sure why James Cook is not in that conversation when it comes to the tier one, Tier one. Excuse me, running backs.

[Tom Brokaw]

Y.

[Ocho Cinco]

But obviously Buffalo doesn't see or view him in that nature, or they wouldn't even be in the position they're in now. There would be talks about getting a deal done. You got mandatory minicamp coming in. OTAs are going on normally. You know, there's. There's some type of activity or. Or some type of progress. The fact that we talked to James. Not. I mean, not too long ago. Wait, it was. That was in season, huh?

[Tom Brokaw]

No, they had lost. They had just lost.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, they. They. Listen, look how long that's been, though, huh? Look how long that's been. And still, after all this time, there's been. Been no progress. And. And things aren't going in the right direction. That. That. That lets you know what it is, man. And it's. It sucks for both parties involved. It sucks for the Bills organization. It sucks for the Bills fans. Hell, it sucks for James Cook and his family for all that he's done, especially when you. You'll see what he done on the field consistently, week in and week out.

[Tom Brokaw]

Tom Brady explained why he'll never criticize Patrick Mahomes during the broadcast. How can I throw shade at someone who is amazing as Mahomes is? I know he's been through. And I think the one position that I meant now in this broadcaster, I do feel a responsibility to tell the fans what I see and be honest and upfront about everything, but also realize that these guys are doing on the field are extremely difficult. It's a high level of skill to. You're looking at the 32 teams who have starting quarterbacks out there. This guy's one of the best in the world at what he does. So do they make the right plays all the time? Certainly not. But, by the way, neither did I. And I think I have. I think you have to have this context and perspective. That's all we ask.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

Is that you don't make excuses. If Patrick Mahomes make a bad throw, say Patrick Mahomes made a bad throw.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

That's all. I mean, he's human.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

Michael Jordan took some bad shots, didn't play well. It's right to say that that happened.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Tom Brokaw]

Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Patrick Mahomes, it does not matter if a guy doesn't play well. It's your obligation. Because you know what? The. The casual fan at home doesn't know.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

So I don't. I don't think that's. I don't think that's asking much for the guys that's calling the game. And I know it's Hard. Because here's the thing. You can't be too critical when you're in that position because then they won't do production meeting with you. So you have to walk a very fine line. If you, if you play by play or you do color, which Tom does color.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Tom Brokaw]

So you have to walk that like. Yeah, that was, that was a bad throw. That's not like Patrick Mahomes. You gotta, you know, say, oh, you gotta crouch it, couch it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

I don't, I don't know what he saw on that one. That's not like Patrick. A guy that's played as, as one, as many suit bow as he has and MVPs. That's not like him. So give the defense credit on that. You know, you gotta a. But he's still. I still take a Patrick Mahomes. That's how you have to.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, absolutely. Listen, it's all about. It's all about word play and sentence structure. That's all it is. And he's not going to have the same much often because players like Patrick Mahomes, your Tom Brady's, your Peyton Mannings, they are much more consistent as opposed to being bad.

[Tom Brokaw]

That's how they get to become where they are. Because we look and. But see, that's the thing though, Ocho. And so because they're not criticized that much, they should be okay.

[Ocho Cinco]

Bingo.

[Tom Brokaw]

If you have a right, you play seven good games, you have one bad game and say, well, he didn't play well today. I mean, he's played up until this point. I had him as the mvp.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Tom Brokaw]

Well, he don't play well. We ought to say that, you know, he didn't play well today.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, right, right, right.

[Tom Brokaw]

But guys are so sensitive now. If you say that they play well.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, it's tough. It's tough. And. And then obviously the blowback. The. The blowback. Because it's Tom Brady criticizing Patrick Mahomes. I can see it from that, from that lens.

[Tom Brokaw]

They try to build it up more than what it is. The great Tom Brady criticizes Patrick Mahomes.

[Ocho Cinco]

Exactly. And that's exactly what they're gonna do. They're gonna blow everything out of proportion. Depending on what he says. They're gonna be critical and dissect every little word that's said. And that's one of the reasons why I think he said what he said.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah. And I think the thing. That's why, you know, for me, oo, I had to be like, careful, because every time they ask me, you think such and such should be in the hall of fame. Well, I ain't got to vote, right? Hall of famer Shannon Sharpe doesn't think such and such a bit, bro. You vote, y' all. Whatever. Whatever. Y' all decide, y' all. I mean, there are a few guys that's in the hall that actually have votes, but for the most part, the majority of us don't have a vote.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right?

[Tom Brokaw]

So I don't. What do you think about this guy? What you mean? I didn't play against him, right?

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[Tom Brokaw]

I mean, like I said, I thought I knew what a Hall of Famer was until I saw some guys that started not getting in. It took them 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 times to get in. I like, I have no idea what a Hall of Famer is. I don't. So I stopped trying to figure it out. Knock on wood. I was very fortunate to get in on my third attempt. My brother got in this year, so we're the first two brothers in the Pro Football hall of Fame. Whatever happens after that, hey, it is what it is. I got no, I got. I get the offer. I'm offered. No more commentary.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, see that's, that's right. That's why I inducted myself.

[Tom Brokaw]

And so, you know, but I. But the thing is, is that I. I think like for us, what we do, we do.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

I'm like, bro, so how can I. You out there, you stank up the joint, you run a sloppy route, you let the guy undercut it and pick it off. And I'm supposed to say what? You don't go through your progression. You stared. You made your mind up when you left the huddle you made your mind up where you was gonna go with this football. You stare the guy down, he picks it off. What am I supposed to say, right?

[Ocho Cinco]

You got to. I'm gonna make a PSA before the season start, huh?

[Tom Brokaw]

If you. If you're a DB Ocho and your either you watching the yo the most, you watching the quarterback.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Oh, you be.

[Tom Brokaw]

You be the guy that you covering, what you doing with him. What am I supposed to say?

[Ocho Cinco]

You beat every time. Every time you peek yours back in that backfield, you beat.

[Tom Brokaw]

So what you supposed to do? You think you could be. You think you could be able to get to sacking from where you are.

[Ocho Cinco]

On the field trying to jump?

[Tom Brokaw]

You take a back. Oh, you take a bad angle or Joe, you supposed to go underneath, you go over. Are you supposed to take away the inside and you let the guy beat you inside, Right? Or it's a double team and you got outside and you let the guy beat you outside. What am I supposed to say, right? Because I'm basing it on a lot of times, the situations that I've been in or situations that I've seen guys in. Ocho, I mean, it's hard for me to say, Ocho, you and I playing as long as we have 25, 26 years combined NFL, there's something going on the field that we haven't seen ourselves.

[Ocho Cinco]

When football season start, I'm gonna do. I'm gonna do a psa. I'm gonna do all. All. Obviously, my Expertise is on DBs and wide receivers. I'm gonna do a PSA before the season start that. Do not take anything I say offensive. I'm just giving you my expertise based on what I saw in today's. I don't want no issues if you have any issues. All of all, y' all got my number.

[Tom Brokaw]

Titans rookie quarterback Cam Ward reportedly shows up at the facility at 5am every day. Head coach Brian Callahan says he has to force him to go home on some nights. Ward said a 5am routine has always been a part of the process. It's just my process. It's how I've always been in college, until now is how I get everything, whether it's in film, treatment wise, I've got to get everything in to start my day. In the end of my day, by whatever time you got to get it done. Like it. I like. I like young guys that are first in and the last to leave.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I mean, obviously you have to do that. I mean, you the number one, especially that position. Hey, you're the number one pick. You got to have every edge, every advantage you can get. If that means being there at 5am you know, if your routine it should be, I mean, then it makes the transition easier into the NFL because it's something you already do. But everything you need to do, you got to do it. You got to buy in. You got to be the first one. There you are, the franchise quarterback. Now you've been drafted number one. But leave no effing stone unturned in trying to be the best and change that. Change that franchise around.

[Tom Brokaw]

You're absolutely right. You're absolutely right. Be the first pick in the draft you're supposed to be. As the first pick in the draft, you're supposed to be franchise altering.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes. Hey, year one, because you see what they proud. Did you see what Jaden Daniels did? No, I don't. I don't think, I don't think. I don't think. I don't think Cam Ward had the same type of supporting cast. Yeah, he didn't have the supporting cast that they do. So he's gonna have to be that much better, that much sharper, that much more consistent, that much.

[Tom Brokaw]

He does have. Cavin Ridley.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Do you name one player?

[Tom Brokaw]

That's what I'm saying. But he has.

[Ocho Cinco]

Look what CJ Stroud had his first year.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah. He had Tank Dale, Nico Collins, Dalton Schultz.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Now, now, now. Talking about. Look what Jaden Daniels had his first year.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Come on. It's a big difference. Based on. You got Calvin Ridley. That's that boy. But still you need. You need more to make your job easier.

[Tom Brokaw]

You're right. You're right.

[Ocho Cinco]

He gonna be all right, though? He's good. He's good. He's gonna be all right.

[Tom Brokaw]

But I like that. Keep it up. Reggie Bush went off on the NFL team owners for being cheap and using turf fields. Despite increased risk of injury. Unfortunately, NF owners still believe that turf is the cheapest, most cost efficient way in the league. That analyze that annual is what is that annualizes. Okay. Makes billions every year. It's not adding up to me. It's repetitive cycle and it's going to continue. It's unfortunate. It will continue until the players decide to stand up and say, listen, we don't want to play on turf anymore. Then the things we're all players hate it. No sport should ever be played on turf. 17 of the 32 teams play on artificial turf because guess what, Ocho?

[Ocho Cinco]

What?

[Tom Brokaw]

It's easy because there are other things that they have on those Football fields other than football games.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Tom Brokaw]

They have monster truck pools. They have concerts, concert.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand.

[Tom Brokaw]

They have a lot of other things, Ocho. And the turf grass is very expensive to put down new sod and to grow it in. It gets very expensive if it's just a feel that the only thing. Because if it's just football, I can't make my money. I need to have Beyonce in there. I need to have Taylor Swift in there. I need to have monster trucks.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

I need to have other concerts.

[Ocho Cinco]

You have other.

[Tom Brokaw]

I need to have other. I need to have other events there.

[Ocho Cinco]

To pay the bills.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah, pay the bills. So look at so far. Olympics opening ceremonies in 28th. The World Cup, 20, 26. Yes, sir. Beyonce was there for, like, what, three, four days. Taylor Swift was there three or four days. They have football games there. Yeah. I got to get my money. I'm sorry.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, I. I don't. I'm. Listen, I. I understand. Maybe. Maybe running backs, or maybe it's just me.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah, I hated turf, too, Ocho. But we did. I mean, when I first got to the league, we had that old. Y' all had that bull job on y' all field, too. Y' all got. Y' all got. I think y' all got that field turf now, but we had the artificial turf, which was feeding me with that little bull jar rolled on the top of it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, we. We. I had the. I had the artificial turf. But I like it. Don't. I like it because if it's raining grass. Well, you heard me. If. If it's raining on. I still know I can run full speed, and I can still stop on a dime. It's gonna. It's gonna grab every time. It's gonna grab every time. And that. That. That made me feel comfortable as opposed to having grass and having to put them. God, and hurt my damn feet.

[Tom Brokaw]

I love. Hey, I. I didn't. I. I. I play with tempo. I play with his feet. TD problems.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah, but it didn't matter to me. Oo. You know why you weren't gonna slip? Because you didn't plant. And I tell them you're slipping. You notice on the back of your heel, you got four. In the front you got seven. So they trying to tell you to get over your knees and drop your hips and stop planting on the back of your heel. That's why you're slipping, you know?

[Ocho Cinco]

You know what's funny is that was so unorthodox. Hey, I could run out route to the left, and I can cut I can. I can cut on my. In, on my outside.

[Tom Brokaw]

Oh, inside foot.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

Oh, you got.

[Ocho Cinco]

You got to see it. Oh, you got. You got to see it. And it look. And I lose. No. No rhythm, though. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's. It's weird. Now. I'd be. Be right. Right in the flow. It is. I don't know.

[Tom Brokaw]

But I didn't slip because like I said, as I got older, Ocho, I wrote. I wore. I wore Tempo bottoms.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

But early in my career, I would. I wore. I wore seven studs. But, you know, I mean, like I said, I mean.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, hey. Them studs hurt you too much.

[Tom Brokaw]

They hurt. Oh, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, hell no. Oh, no. And I had. I had no choice. When we played the Steelers at any point in the 2000s, on that field, they had at Heinz back then, it was terrible. They purposely didn't get it done. They purposely didn't get it done. Oh, my goodness.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah, I played those. All three rivers. That turf was terrible, too. Yalls Field was terrible, too. Philly was awful.

[Ocho Cinco]

I never saw three ribs.

[Tom Brokaw]

Oh, oh, oh. Three rows. Terrible. That turf was terrible. Right, but they get loud and. And the seats. You start bouncing. The seats do this. You can see the people jumping up and down. But it's nice to go back because you like. Like, man, I remember the first time that I played there. It was like, I'm like, man, the Steel Curtain played here.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Tom Brokaw]

You know, they, you know, win AFC Championship games here. So it's, you know, you. You playing, and something is stored as, like, Three Rivers or Lambo. Soldier Field. I'm talking about the old. The old, Right. I'm trying to think, did I play in the old? Yeah, I played in the old Meadowlands, you know, not MetLife, the old metal land.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, okay.

[Tom Brokaw]

You know, they still share the field, but so it's just. It's just like. Just walking into that stadium and knowing the history of that stadium is like, wow, Ocho. A new study from LSU Business School found that Super Bowl 59 had a major economic impact on Louisiana, generating an estimated 1mil. 1,250,000,000. The report looked at spending tied to everything from hotel stays, restaurant, transportation, entertainment. Across the state, roughly 115,000 people came to New Orleans for the weekend, including 100,000 from out of state. Given the major boost to tourism. That's why all these teens keep bidding. Last thing. The event also supported nearly 10,000 jobs across the region, making it a win well beyond the field. Go ahead, Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, why do you Think teams or cities, I mean, cities bid to have the super bowl in their city. They understand the economic impact it can have on that city in such a short amount of time. One week. Do you know how. What can you do where you can make a billion dollars in a week?

[Tom Brokaw]

No, no. Nothing.

[Ocho Cinco]

Nothing.

[Tom Brokaw]

And nobody's had more. More Super Bowls than New Orleans. Ojo. So they know how to. They. They're. They're used to. They put on. They have Mardi Gras, so they're used to having national championship games in the Superdome. They're used to having Super Bowls in the super bowl dome, but, you know, it's gonna. It's in la, it's in San Francisco, then it goes to Atlanta.

[Ocho Cinco]

They don't know. They don't need San Francisco to need no more money. They don't even know. Now, Atlanta boys finna be crazy out there.

[Tom Brokaw]

Boy, you ain't gonna tell me. I already know because I went to the one in 2019 when. When new England played the Rams.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right? Okay, okay, okay.

[Tom Brokaw]

Crazy. No, it's gonna go. It's gonna come back. It's gonna come back to Vegas in the Falcons. No, they played the Rams, and they played the Rams in Atlanta. They played the. The Patriots played the Falcons in Houston.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, okay, okay, okay. You're right, you're right, you're right, you're right, you're right.

[Tom Brokaw]

Houston. Oh, man. But pretty soon, it's gonna be like. Oh, like, you get a new stadium. I don't know who's in line to get a new stadium, because, you know. But Atlanta, they're gonna rotate Atlanta. So by Vegas, Houston, Miami, Miami, Arizona.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Hey, Arizona Field. Arizona got that damn Bermuda grass on. Oh, my.

[Tom Brokaw]

See, they got. They roll it out. See, it's on Slabs. It's like a huge.

[Ocho Cinco]

What it is.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, Houston and Houston. Arizona got the best fields. I don't care. And it's great. It's grass. But nobody say, nah.

[Tom Brokaw]

Mile High got the best grass. We got real grass, and we got some synthetic sold in there. Mile High.

[Ocho Cinco]

Nah, I mean. Yeah, it's the altitude. Too high, y' all. Grass is fake.

[Tom Brokaw]

No, no, I grabs real, bro.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, come on, man. Don't do that.

[Tom Brokaw]

You hate Ocho, but. Yeah, but that's what. Ocho. That's why teams. They won't. I mean, that's why they want the Super Bowl. That's why they try to get in on those bids and try to get. Hey, let's get a World cup come through here. Yeah, let's get the Olympics so far. La. Hey, Atlanta's a.

[Ocho Cinco]

And the funny thing about it, you think, you think, you think the super bowl had an economic impact on. Damn. What was it just at? Oh, New Orleans.

[Tom Brokaw]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Till you see what the. The World cup each city is in. Oh, my God.

[Tom Brokaw]

I think the final is going to be in New York. Right? But it's coming through Kansas City. It's going through Kansas City. They're going to. They're going to. So far, I think the semifinals in like, so far. Something.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, boy. Everybody from every other country is coming to support their country. That's gonna be good. I can't wait. I'm excited. I'm excited.

[Tom Brokaw]

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