Nightcap - Hour 2: Shedeur is FINALLY drafted, goes to the Browns + could 100 men take down 1 gorilla?!

Summary

Club Shay Shay

Episode: Nightcap - Hour 2: Shedeur is FINALLY Drafted, Goes to the Browns + Could 100 Men Take Down 1 Gorilla?!
Release Date: April 27, 2025
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, Antoine Walker

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I. Introduction

In this engaging episode of Club Shay Shay, Shannon Sharpe, Chad Ochocinco Johnson, and Antoine Walker delve into a mix of NFL draft news, NBA insights, and a lively debate sparked by Twitter. The trio offers their expert opinions, memorable anecdotes, and spirited conversations, making it a must-listen for sports enthusiasts.

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II. Shedeur Sanders Draft Analysis

The episode kicks off with a heated discussion about Shedeur Sanders being selected by the Cleveland Browns in the fifth round at pick 144. The hosts dissect the implications of this late draft pick and explore whether it was a breakeven outcome for both Sanders and the Browns.

• Chad Ochocinco Johnson raises concerns about the Browns' quarterback depth:

  "I just think Shay should be the MVP this year. Could have won it last year. I think this year he gets it."
  (04:17)

• Shannon Sharpe defends Sanders against criticisms regarding his draft performance:

  "Every single NFL player has an entourage. Most entourages are family and friends. Media can screw things up, and Shador is prepared to prove his worth on the field."
  (24:24)

• Antoine Walker questions the Browns' strategy in building their quarterback room:

  "Why would Cleveland want a quarterback room with five guys? Does that bring up anything meaningful?"
  (38:08)

The hosts conclude that while Sanders' draft position raises eyebrows, his potential remains untapped, and the Browns may benefit from his perseverance and talent.

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III. Golden State Warriors' Season and Performance

Shannon, Chad, and Antoine shift their focus to the NBA, discussing the Golden State Warriors' recent triumphs and player performances.

• Antoine Walker highlights the Warriors' defensive prowess:

  "They're a great defensive team because they have players like Caruso, Isaiah Joe, Wallace, and Lou Dort who can defend at an extremely high level."
  (07:25)

• Chad Ochocinco Johnson praises Steph Curry's impact:

  "For what Steph has done for the game, he's certainly on that Mount Rushmore."
  (80:11)

• Shannon Sharpe emphasizes the importance of maintaining the Warriors' dynasty:

  "The Warriors dynasty remains alive in large part because of a scrawny 6-foot-2 hooper who everyone seems to love."
  (80:07)

The hosts commend the Warriors' balance of veteran experience and emerging talent, asserting that their strategic gameplay keeps them at the forefront of the NBA.

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IV. Twitter Debate: Could 100 Men Defeat 1 Gorilla?

A spirited debate ignites when the hosts discuss a trending Twitter question: "Could 100 men take down 1 gorilla?"

• Shannon Sharpe underscores the sheer strength of a silverback gorilla:

  "People are underestimating the strength of a silverback gorilla. It's a human being versus a powerhouse animal."
  (56:36)

• Antoine Walker leans towards overwhelming numbers to ensure safety:

  "I want to be 100. I'm not going to be in that first 15."
  (56:20)

• Chad Ochocinco Johnson humorously dismisses the notion:

  "They can hurt you. Nah."
  (56:41)

The conversation highlights the impossibility of such a scenario, emphasizing respect for wildlife and acknowledging the futility of confronting such a formidable creature.

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V. Q&A: Personal Championship Moments

In the final segment, the hosts share personal "championship win" moments—milestones in their lives that stand out as their greatest achievements.

• Shannon Sharpe shares his upcoming personal milestone:

  "My championship win is coming up in 2026 when I walk down that aisle. It's something that gives me structure and purpose."
  (72:28)

• Chad Ochocinco Johnson discusses his pride in his family:

  "My two daughters are my championship moments."
  (73:42)

• Antoine Walker reflects on career milestones and personal goals:

  "Pressure makes diamonds, and it's time to drop some bombs and diamonds on and off the softball diamond."
  (55:42)

These heartfelt responses provide listeners with a glimpse into the hosts' lives beyond the sports arena, highlighting their values and aspirations.

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VI. Conclusion

Shannon, Chad, and Antoine wrap up the episode with lighthearted banter, reflections on the day's discussions, and a reminder to listeners to engage with their platforms. They express gratitude for their audience's support and tease future episodes filled with more in-depth sports analysis and entertaining debates.

Notable Quotes:

• Chad Ochocinco Johnson on BIM's potential:

  *"He could be one of the greatest players to play in the game at the point guard position when he's healthy and gives you that stretch."_
  (06:54)

• Shannon Sharpe on overcoming adversity:

  *"I've faced adversity before. This is just another obstacle to overcome, and I'm going to prove I'm worthy."_
  (42:40)

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Tune in next time for more insightful discussions, expert analyses, and the signature chemistry that defines Club Shay Shay. Whether you're a die-hard sports fan or just looking for engaging conversations, this episode promises to deliver.

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Transcript

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[Antoine Walker]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Antoine Walker]

The volume. Thunder. Thunder. Sweep the Grizzlies SGA had 38 points and finally found his rhythm. In the first three games he was averaging 24 points per game, but it was taking him almost 23 shots to get those. He was shooting 35% when he shot almost 52% from the floor. In the regular season, he had made only 6 of 24 threes shooting 25%. But in game four, SGA was SGA. 13, 24, 11 of 13 free throws. They end up sweeping the Memphis Grizzlies and you knew it was over. They had a 27 point lead. Jock goes up, comes down and hey, that lead dissipates. They end up losing that game. So you know, the, it was just a matter of time before they ended up getting swept. So they passed the first test. You know, they've been the best team in the Western Conference for the entirety of the season. Tuan. So what do you think they're going to play the winner of the Clippers Nugget series? What you like? Can anybody pose a threat to him?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Honestly, I just think they don't have that next guy. You know, I think Shay is. Should be the MVP this year. Could have won it last year. I wouldn't have had no problem with it. I think this year he gets it. I don't see it. The second guy I just haven't seen. I mean, we know William.

[Antoine Walker]

You don't like Jay. Excuse me.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I do like him, but I need to see him put to the test. I need to see him put to the test where he had to get 30, 35 on a given night, right? So until I see that, I just don't, I don't trust them against a veteran team. I just think you get one of those. The Clippers or Denver, whichever team you face, those guys have been there before. They're going to know how to guard you. The respect levels are a little different. They got the toughness to go in your building to get a win, right? That's where they're going to be a little different at. It's actually not. It's actually kind of bad for them to see either one of those teams because those teams are older teams. And the veteran teams that can give them trouble because they know how to play in the playoffs. So neither one of those teams are going to be great matchups for them, but they are a great home team. And by having the best record. I always say this. It means something when you take care of business in the season because you get those most important games on the floor. On your floor. You get that five and seven. You get five and seven on your home floor. That's why you take care of business during the season. I never forget that. You always want to have that home court advantage. So that's where they can be. That's where they can have the advantage of because they play so great in that building. But it's going to be tough for them. The next rounds are going to be tough for them. Look for them to be long series. And can anybody else step up and help Shae out? We know Shay's going to have some moments where he gets 35, 40, hell, maybe even 45. Who's going to be that next guy that steps up and that's going to be remaining to be seen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, T'aron. So basically, probably OKC is similar to in the same situation based on who they play, whether it be the Nuggets, whether it be the Clippers. They're going to be in a similar situation like the Rockets right now with the Warriors.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Just not saying that they're young. I mean, the OKC guys have been together a while. I just think. And you guys know this, and Shane goes back to what you did to start the show off. When you start naming stars, you don't even name Shay. You didn't name nobody else off OKC. That's a team that won 60 games this year. Think about it. You didn't name. You didn't name two, three guys off okc. I just don't think there's nothing wrong with that. They have great complimentary guys. They got great role players. I just don't see that next superstar, a guy that can help you win a game. Who's going to go win a game besides Shay? I want to see that. Let's see the next guy step up and get 30, 35. Let's see Shay have 10 points, a bad night, foul trouble. He gonna get it done. Who's gonna be that next guy that steps up for them? So that was nice to be seen. That's where the test is gonna come in at.

[Antoine Walker]

Yeah. Hey, look, I didn't think Memphis was going to do much. And when Scottie Pippen Jr. Was your best player on the Memphis Grizzlies. And he's. I'm happy for him because he seemingly found a home in Memphis. A home in Memphis. And they're giving him opportunity to showcase his ability. But I didn't really, I didn't really expect much from, from Memphis in this series. Even with Job. Maybe they could have got a game. Maybe a game. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe a game. I think that that game they had a 27 point lead. I think if Josh stays in, they probably win that one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they might.

[Antoine Walker]

Maybe they get a game. Maybe, maybe. Maybe all things be equal, they get two. But I mean, you look at. You look at them. Holmgren had 11, Jalen Williams had 23, Hartenstein had 11 and 12, Shea. But what they kill you is that, you know, they're a great defensive team because they got Caruso, they got Isaiah Joe, they got Wallace, they got Lou Dort, they got Chet. That could protect the rim if somebody gets beat off the dribble. They got big, they got two bigs and they don't have a problem playing too big. But then when they go small, they got guys that are, that are scrapping. They can defend. Everybody can defend at an extremely high level. But I agree with you. I agree with you. But the question is, man, you got to be able to have Shay under control. Cause if you don't, he'll end up shooting 15, 20 free throws on you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, you can.

[Antoine Walker]

Go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, I'm saying you have to beat him. I do agree with you. You have to beat him. They're not going to beat their self. I think with the young group, they got fresh legs, they play lively, they play great at home. So they're going to. And they got a guy. I mean, Shay is a guy. He's a guy that can get you 35, 40. That's what you want in the playoffs. They got all the ingredients to make a deep run. I just worry when you get into a series with better teams that's made double team Shay and may force some other guys to beat you, are those other guys ready to deliver at the level that you need to think about some of these teams? I mean, think about the Lakers. You know, they got two guys that can get it done. You know, when we talk about okc, we just don't. Williams is great. Don't get me wrong. He's going to be. He's a great young player. He made the all star team this year. He's shown that he can be a 2025 point scorer. Hell, he's had some 30 point performances, but you got to get out of another guy that can go to him. I don't think as you get along, you start playing the better teams. They're not going to let Shay beat them. I just don't think that. I think they're going to double team. They're going to make these other guys have to beat them. If I was playing against them, that's what I would do. But the OKC did the right thing. Everything got to come through there. They have four games on their floor and I think that's what they did a good job. But they played well there. And you guys know this and you guys be watching. Love basket. The road guys play better at home. So now you got those young guys or young guys on the bench playing at home. They play a lot better. That's what the advantage is for okc.

[Antoine Walker]

Yeah, because they had five guys. Even though he went on the road, it was a close game. They have five guys in double figures. Hungren had 11, Jalen Williams had 23, Hardenstein had 11, Shea had 38 and Isaiah Joe had 11, Wiggins had nine. But you get them other numbers kind.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Of low, though, Chad. You see you got knees a little low. Now somebody else playing Memphis play one of them big dogs. It's gonna be, it's gonna be a little different.

[Antoine Walker]

But you know what I like, but I like not to cut you off, Ocho. What I like is that Wiggins. Excuse me, that Williams and Shay take most of the shots because you look at it, they took a combined 45 shots and you had hunger with the. Took the next most shot at nine. You had a guy took seven, one guy took four. 1, 1, 5, 7, 7, 8. So your big dog's eating.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You got.

[Antoine Walker]

Because you know, sometimes you get to the playoffs, guys try to make a name for themselves and they all of a sudden you supposed to be shooting seven, eight times and all of a sudden you shoot 14, 15 times. No.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Whoa, whoa.

[Antoine Walker]

What you doing? Coach, did you see that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you Andrew Wiggins saying that Andrew.

[Antoine Walker]

Wiggins is down, is in Miami with you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Miami.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You just said that's another.

[Antoine Walker]

Yes, they got.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, what, they got another Wiggins on their team? Yeah, young. They got a young Wiggins team.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay.

[Antoine Walker]

Yo. Yeah, I like Wallace, I like Isaiah Joe. But they all can defend. Look at Caruso can defend. Lou do can defend. Isaiah Jo can defend. Carson Wallace can defend. Hey, Chad Holren defend. So no matter. Even Shay was like top three in Steals. So no matter who you have on the court, you still have at least three guys that can defend on the ball at all times. And then if Shay is in there, you got somebody that can protect the. Can protect the paint, protect the rim. Hardenstein, I mean, look, he. He can't protect, but he, you know, he's a big body. He'll block a shot, too. A shot here or there's. I like the way they make up, but like you said, we'll see next round. Jon didn't want to be seen on camera on the bench. He saw the broadcast camera on him and put his hand over his face. Quan, you good with this?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nah, man, I feel bad for my guy. Shane, I remember you had me on when you was back on with Fox and we was talking about him and we had the long discussion with him, Man, I just wish he. I mean, he's such a terrific talent, man. I just wish he locked in on playing basketball, you know what I'm saying? And take what come with it. That's the good coverage you want. You want to see the. You want your fans to see you care about your team and that you're upset that you're not playing. That's when you want the camera on you. So.

[Antoine Walker]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I just hope he gets it together. I got a lot of respect for him. I want him to be, you know, I think he could be one of the greatest players to play in the game at the point guard position when he's right, healthy, and he gives you that stretch of 20, 25 games where he's just playing basketball and not shooting a gun and not doing all those crazy things. He's one of the best players in the league, but, you know, we just don't know if he ever gonna figure it out. So I get disappointed in him a little bit on that because I hope this talent doesn't go to waste. Cause, you know, Adam Silva, after a while, it's gonna be, you know, you have to go see the big dog again, and he ain't gonna like what he gonna do to you.

[Antoine Walker]

Do you think he needs to be out of Memphis in order for him to really blossom and fully develop?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. Right on down here in Miami. Yep. Most definitely. I'll tell you, I'll take care of him. Chad.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He can't come to Miami. Pat Riley.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got him. I got him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Eric Sponsom ain't playing that, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I mean. Sometimes that's what you need. Sometimes you need to go somewhere like this where you have two old School type coaches that starts the game of basketball different. They got structure, they got discipline.

[Antoine Walker]

You right here, right now, and you try to go all the way over here, you see all that space in between, you got to stop off in the middle. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's going to be tough, man. That's going to be tough.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Do I think he needs another, another place, change of scenery? I don't think he needs a change of scenery. I think they have to really strategically make sure that they keep the right guys around him. And you know how sometimes you bring a veteran on the team that maybe not going to get a lot of minutes that can help you control that locker room. You know how it is to help control some of the out the court activities. I think that's what they need to do. You know, sometimes it's good to pick up a guy like that, maybe a guy that's not going to do much, you know what I mean? Think about that Boston Celtics team. They put Al Horford, a nice veteran on the team with them, who's been on that team for the last three, four years. Been great for them, a good locker room guy. You know what I mean? That's what you need. You need some locker room guys sometime. I think that I like him in Memphis because they've been successful. They had someone. He's not like they're a bad team. They got some pieces there. He doesn't have to be moved, but he's going to have to clean up some things. And I think he can use another superstar. I would like to see. I don't know if they'll be able to in free agencies.

[Antoine Walker]

Well, Triple Jay was supposed to be a super superstar.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't know.

[Antoine Walker]

I'm just, I'm just telling you. They paid him like one.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. I don't know if he, he, he, he kind of, he kind of took a couple steps back this year, especially this series. Yeah, they, they was banged up this year a lot off and on. So I'm not gonna put too much on this season and the coaching change and all that stuff they went through, you know. You know, that firing of the coach was kind of weird to me. I know y'all covered that a long time ago, but I think that played a part too.

[Antoine Walker]

You know, a couple of years ago, the Ja Morant said, I'm fine in the West, I might have you worry about Boston, but I'm fine in the West. Zero playoff series wins, one head coach fine and two suspensions. Is he fine in the west one?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nah, he's not finding West. I mean, for us that love sports and we love see guys make it and do great. I would love to see him on the Miami Heat, where it's structure, where it's discipline, where basketball has to come first. I would love to see him in that type of situation where they can get some of that junk out of him, but we don't know. I mean, Memphis has to make a major decision on whether or not they want to continue to build around him and kind of go through his antics, or you make a move for him while he still has a little value. Because I think he still has some value right now.

[Antoine Walker]

Yeah, for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So I think you can get something for him, and maybe it might be a, you know, Kelly, you guys. Mutual agreement. Hey, I tried it here. I need a new surrounding. I want to, you know, try something different. Maybe you can make a move in that sense, because they're two totally different teams, with or without them, so they're going to have to figure it out. Two totally different teams.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like it. I like it. I like it. Hey, Mickey Harrison. I know you're going to see this.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Pat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know you're going to see this. Spoelstra. Holla at your boy. My number is still the same. We can go get y'all sometime. Sometime this summer. Listen, I put the pieces in place. I make. I. I make sure he's good away from the court. You know, I got the right kind of people. You know, we don't play no game. We don't do none of that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't gonna be no driving. Ain't gonna be no shooting. Ain't gonna be throwing on no grave. No. No grenades gonna do that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You gonna get him over? You gonna get him an Uber?

[Antoine Walker]

Hey, get him a driver.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no. I got a driver for him. I got a driver. We'll get him everywhere he needs to go.

[Antoine Walker]

We won't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We'll. Twan. I've been in Miami all my life. I don't even club. I ain't been to club live yet. I just went to Booby Trap for the first time two weeks ago. Boy, I'm 57 years old, so I know if I can get y'all down here to Miami, I can. I can keep him aligned. We got the same goal. I want to see you succeed.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, you. He. He need to hang out with you. He can't hang out with me. I thought I was Mr. South beach, so.

[Antoine Walker]

You Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hang out with you.

[Antoine Walker]

That's better.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I thought I was missing South Beach. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, no, we don't. We don't need to talk about this next segment. Next segment. We don't talk about that.

[Antoine Walker]

No team has ever recovered from a 30 deficit in the NBA playoff. The Heat has shown no indication that they'll be the First Cavs up 30 points in the paint today. The Cavs had 60. The Heat had 30. What's going on? What's going on? What's going on? What's going on?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Tuan? He just don't have enough, unfortunately. You know, Eric Sproson was a great coach. You know, he fought this hard to get into the playoff situation. They beat up the team like the Bulls, who was kind of probably equal to them, and beat them to get into this playoffs game, this playoff series. They just don't have enough. I mean, I love Bam. I think he's a great piece of the puzzle. I think they got him as being a major centerpiece. I don't think he's that guy. I think he's more of a AB he's more of a C guy to me because he doesn't dominate the game enough for me. You know, 18 and 10, that's cool. You know, a guy like Bam and the money he's getting, making. He's supposed to be getting 25 and 13. You know, he don't give that to you every night. You know, getting 16 and 10, that's not going to get it done. To be a, A list or B list player in this league. Tyler Herro is terrific, obviously, sixth man of the year, a great scorer, but he's a six man. He can start for you and give you some buckets, but he's a sixth man. That's what he's been his best at in that role. I just don't think they have enough. They're going to have to try to figure it out. I know they traded for Andrew Wiggins. He could be a good pie to the puzzle. They gonna have to get lucky to draft, man. Obviously I won my championship with the Heat. I always root for them. I love Eric Bom and those guys down there. They gonna have to figure it out to try to get a big superstar to put with this young core or they gonna always be in the mix because they gonna. They're gonna be a 500 team two, three games under. But to make some any real noise, they gonna have to add some pieces. They kind of. They kind of stuck in that spot and it's probably not. You know what, you know, sometimes you need to lose so you can get A higher pick. They kind of stuck. They put themselves in that 12 pickets.

[Antoine Walker]

They played just well enough to stay out of the damn lottery. They play just well enough to stay out of the lottery.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And that puts them in the bad position. We see them compete, we see them win big games from time to time. But when you get in the playoff series and you need it, they don't have it. That's me right now. They don't have the depth. I don't think they have a superstar right now. Like I said, I think Bam is a good player. I think he's a good piece of the puzzle. I think Tyler Hero is great in his role. When he can be the sixth man, I think he can always be an instant scorer in his league. I just think they don't have enough to compete at the level that they would like to. That we know how. Mickey Harrison, Pat Riley, Eric Sproson, them guys want to. I mean, Jimmy Butler was the exception to the rule. He got the, that he got this group. Most of these guys played with him, got them to the finals. But they need another piece. That's a, that's a, that's a. Actually the evidence that I need to show you. If you can get another piece with that type of culture, you can make, you can make some moves. But right now they kind of, they stuck in sand right now. They got to figure it out.

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[Antoine Walker]

The moment we've all waited for. Shador Sanders is drafted 144 in the fifth round. The Browns traded up to select him. All these anonymous reports are coming out about Shador having bad interviews, especially with the Giants. According to Todd McShay, Shador completely bombed his interview with the Giants. He didn't have a great interview with head coach Brian Dabal. The preparation wasn't there for Inst. For an install package. Day Ball called him out and Sanders didn't like it. Day ball has gone 8 and 26 over the past two seasons, so he probably knows a thing or two about being unprepared. To be honest with you, I mean, you go 8 and 26. You go 8 and 26 being unprepared. You are no unprepared person when you see one. Considering over the last two years that's Kind of exactly what you've been. And then there's been reports of him having a big entourage because his brother shoots videos of him being in family. He's with his brother and his family. No drinking, no drugs, no controversy, just living his life. Ocho, listen, I'm gonna start with you first. Yeah. Hear that? He didn't do well in the interview.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Antoine Walker]

He didn't hit it off with Coach Dabal and seemed like he was unprepared. Didn't like the entourage. Okay, go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't believe it. Huh? I don't believe it. Because every single NFL player, every single. When I say every single. I mean every sing. Has an entourage. Most of the entourages is family and friends. If there's not family and friends, it's friends that you grew up with.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody has that. So I'm not sure why that even came into play. And we talk about everybody, regardless of race, regardless of ethnicity. It doesn't matter. So that's one thing. Interview. Interview goes bad, unprepared. Now I think I'm thinking about a son of one of the greatest players of all time who's always been prepared and coached and having tutelage from one of the best of all time. And for some reason, all of a sudden, he wasn't prepared for an interview when it comes to the game of football in which he's a quarterback, again, that's something else that's not believable. Now, you know, media, Media, Media can. Can. Can. Can screw things and report things that obviously aren't true. Bingo. Forget that. So he drops to the Cleveland Browns, round five. What pick? 144. What was it? 145.

[Antoine Walker]

144.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm. I'm not even tripping at this point. I'm not even tripping at this point because prime obviously is prepared. Should do it for any and everything dealing with media, dealing with those that doubt you. So I'm just happy he has this opportunity, because what's happening in this scenario, in this situation in which I still believe is collusion. I'm not talking about race. I'm not talking about race at all. I'm just speed. I'm just saying a collective collusion against Brother Sanders and all the things. And then just the hype. And listen, the Machine again. I said last night. I said last night, we have choices. People choose what they want to see. I said it yesterday. I'm not talking about race at all. One thing for sure, the Machine is undefeated and will always remain undefeated anytime it feels not really threatened, but there's another name or family that thinks they can come in and do things their way. They'll humble you. And this was an example of it. An example of it that we've never ever, ever seen before to this magnitude. We've never seen anything like this.

[Antoine Walker]

No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm happy for Shador. I'm happy for Shiloh and for Shador Sanders getting the opportunity to play for the Cleveland Browns. His situation is simple as put. It's delayed, but it's not denied. It's not about where you go. It's what you do once you get there. So now you know what you need to do. The Browns haven't had a quarterback. They haven't had a quarterback, a sufficient quarterback, a consistent quarterback for a very. Since Bernie, for a very long time. This might be their calling. This might be their blessing. This might be his blessing even going there. So I'm happy for him. He's going to do what's necessary. I'm sure he had the chip on his shoulder. And I'm excited because in that AFC north, you know, it run through Cincinnati and the only way you're going to get it done is if you got a quarterback. I just had to add a little piece of that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I saw you throw that in there. What you think is Warren, honestly, man, guys, to be honest with you, I mean, I fell for him, obviously. You know, you work so hard and it's tough. When you projected to go first round, I had a sit. Obviously not the same because basketball is totally different as far as the number of people that get picked. But I was with my best friend Nazi Muhammad was supposed to be pick lottery when he came out and nas slid to 29 and just sitting there and obviously it was nothing like where you had to actually wait a whole nother day to get drafted. But just to see him slide, huh?

[Antoine Walker]

You waited two days. He got drafted today.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They had to draft two days. So it's different. But I think like this, to be honest with you, I said I think you have to play the game. Shannon, to be honest with you, I think if he would have. I'll play. I'm just gonna play the game till I get drafted. Whatever that would have been. Whatever. And I think sometimes that's what not. And I'm not sure this. You guys could correct me if I'm wrong. Cause it seemed like I never seen an agent. And obviously I'm watching from afar. I'm watching off TV on social media. Do we have an agent?

[Antoine Walker]

I don't know, I mean, Shiloh made a joke talking about our dad was our agent and we might need to hire a new agent.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay. Right. I don't know. Cause I think you know how this is. Sometimes you have an agent, he can tell you the truth behind closed doors on what they actually saying and what you need to work on. So by Deon being the dad, he probably not really hearing everything. They probably can't tell him no. So he's not hearing everything that they're saying. So I think that was probably one mistake. And I don't know if he had an agent or not. So if the agent to kind of buffer that, to talk to him and kind of figure it out. But you got to figure this thing out, man. I think one thing about it, it was about interview. I don't think his skill set, I mean, he put the numbers up. The numbers speak for themselves. He had the numbers. So we got to look at some of the other stuff. I mean, I worked out for nine teams. When I came out, I interviewed with nine teams. So you got to go through that process. I'm not sure how he interviewed. Maybe that was a little sketchy. That can rub some GMs and execs the wrong way. You know, sometimes you don't interview well. Maybe the swagger, what he's coming with, great family, family dynamics. His family's gonna support him. Obviously, he has a certain swag, a certain aura that he carries with him, which we all love. And we just talked about that. We like that. We talk. We all, all three of us talk trash. We all celebrated. We all had fun, so we know that. So that's not the problem. We brought our own style, so that wasn't a problem with him. I just felt like they didn't play the game that everybody else played. And they wanted to show them that, look, it's still the NFL. We still run this. You still gotta go through this proper pecking order. And I think that's what it was. That's what it looks like. You can't look at his. If you look at his numbers, his skill level, the guys that got picked before him, all this stuff, it doesn't make sense. So it's gotta be something behind the scenes. It can't be football ability. It has to be something behind the scenes. That's why I said if he had an agent, maybe somebody that can hear the noise, because he probably didn't hear the real noise. You know what I mean? We on TV watching all the analysts and everybody. But, you know, y'all privy to so much information. Y'all privy to so much. We're not hearing that real noise, you know what I mean? So that's what your agent gets that for you to kind of help you out and maybe help you get your act together. That's why I really wanted to know if he had an agent.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, you know, the funny thing about it, Tuan, even at that point, you are who you are. Shador is who he is. The Sanders family, they are who they are. That's it. And they've always been unapologetically themselves. And that rubs a lot of people wrong. A lot of people don't like that, including some of those in the NFL. Some of the things that Deonna said in the past, they probably didn't like. They probably didn't like it. You know, he wanted to pull an Archie and Eli Manning, he wanted to pull, you know, with Eli, that probably. They probably didn't like it. They quoting tweets that he said a long time ago. And I know. Let me tell you why. I know this is all collusion. You know, I think about some like. Like going, you know what? I'm not even going to bring that up. I'm not going to bring it up. I'm happy he got where he needed to go. This is exactly where we're supposed to land. Because I guarantee you, watch it be a blessing in disguise and them never having a quarterback, and all of a sudden, for some reason, Shador being the answer for the next decade.

[Antoine Walker]

Hope you're right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm a basketball guy. I want to ask you something, Chad. You can ask this because you're talking right now. Can you answer this? Is the Cleveland the right fit for him? Because sometimes. Let's disregard what number he went. Did he go to a good situation where he can actually be able to showcase himself and have a real opportunity to be a starting quarterback in the NFL. Do you guys like that situation?

[Shannon Sharpe]

If the GM and the owners are competent when his time comes to be able to compete for a starting job, if they continue to build around him, yes, it's the right place. If they continue to do right by the quarterback position like other teams are doing, like they do for the Mahomes and they do for the Jalen Hurts and they do for, you know, the other quarterbacks, the. The Jaden Daniels, as you continue to. To put the pieces to the puzzle around him, why you have a quarterback. Quarterback on a very, very cheap. I hate using that word, cheap, but, you know, a very affordable contract. We. Yeah, I Think he.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's in the right place. But if they do what they've always done for a very long time, where. Where they've been through 276,000 quarterbacks, then it would be the same. The same process will repeat itself. They had Baker Mayfield. He had the number one pick. There was nothing wrong with Baker Mayfield because look what he's doing in Tampa Bay. So that. That tells you where the problem lies, that the problem lies with Cleveland internally. Now you got opportunity again. Let's not eff it up.

[Antoine Walker]

Yeah, I do. I love when quarterbacks, young quarterbacks, come in and have an unbelievable support system. Hopefully you have somebody that can. That's really smart, schematically knows how to diagram plays. Ocho knows how to put quarterbacks in the right situation. You have a decent running back. I'm not saying you need Saquon. I mean, although that would be nice to have a Saquon Barkley and a Derrick Henry on a rookie quarterback. But you need quality receivers. You see C.J. stroud, where he went and had success. Look at the receiving cord that he had. You look at Jaden Daniels. Look at the receiving core that he had. The question is, are there enough pieces around any quarterback for regardless if it's a rookie or not, Is there enough pieces around him so he can adequately do what he needs to get done? I think Stefanowski is an unbelievable coach. He's a coach of the year. He knows how to call plays. He knows how to scheme plays. And so now it just comes down to, okay, when you get your opportunity, you got to shine, you got to prepare like there's no tomorrow, because that's already out there. Ocho. You see what they said? He was unprepared. You see what they did, Ocho? See, we already put that out there on you now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that's the game, huh? They gonna play the game. They're going to play the game. There's only one way you could beat the game, huh? That's in between the lines.

[Antoine Walker]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No matter what to say, it blocks out all the noise. You can only beat the game in between the lines.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No matter what they say.

[Antoine Walker]

But I. But I will say this, Ocho. I don't know if they're gonna allow Bucky to go in and film everything that that Shador is doing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no.

[Antoine Walker]

That's over now. When you. When you're at Colorado and your dad's the head coach, they're gonna allow that. That's over with now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I mean, they understand that. But I thought he was.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I thought. I thought he was the video guy. I thought he's the video guy.

[Antoine Walker]

No, you can't. You ain't gonna have no personal video.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, you can. You can't. Yeah, you can't do that. Once you. Once you enter that building, once you on grounds in that facility, all that's done.

[Antoine Walker]

Yeah. Yeah. And so that's. That's having entourage. Yeah, I. I don't. And like I said, I don't know. I don't know if he went to the building and they tried to go in the meeting rooms, and Bucky was trying to capture content. He doesn't have an agent because time agent was Eugene Parker, rest his soul. Eugene passed away several years ago. And so I'm sure time. It will probably interview somebody now. And I agree with you, Twan. Probably. And that's the thing, because you have an agent and they hear things and they can tell you things. Now, they're gonna. All the really, really bad stuff. They ain't gonna share that with you because they don't want to mess with you mentally. Yeah, but they'll share enough of stuff with you so you get the picture and get a great understanding of what's actually going on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So if I'm not mistaken, I, I. So, you know, obviously, my agent was. Obviously. When I first got in the league of Jerome Stanley, Phenomenal dude did really well for me, you know, on the back end of my career. From the middle. On the back end, it was Drew Rosenhaus. And if I'm not. Not mistaken, I saw Drew Rosenhouse post for Shiloh Sanders once he got drafted. So I'm assuming Drew Rosenhouse must be represent representing Shiloh. I'm not sure if he represents Shador, though.

[Antoine Walker]

Right. I get it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because.

[Antoine Walker]

Okay, the Brian's court, the current quarterback room. Deshaun Watson, Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dylan Gabriel, Shador Sanders, Deshaun Watson, starter. Flacco is a vet. If desean can't go, you got Kenny Pickett, the backup. Dylan Gabriel, rookie, Shador, rookie, fifth. What's going on? I mean, damn. What's really going on? What's really going on, Ocho?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I like to compete. I ain't got no problem with it. I like to compete. Who I need to beat out. I love Kenny Pickett. I love Dylan Gable.

[Antoine Walker]

I don't know how you beat Desean out when he got another 48. Got $38 million this year and another 40 million next year. How you beat him out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, he not Desean not playing this year.

[Antoine Walker]

Okay. He's not gonna play this year. Okay? So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Antoine Walker]

Achilles. Achilles.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Achilles. Achilles. Yeah. So listen, I'm gonna tell you how it's gonna play out. I love Kenny Pickett. I love that brother Gabriel. But Shador, if he does what he's supposed to do. You know, we've seen Kenny Pickett already. We haven't seen Dylan Gabriel yet. But I'm just saying. I know probably Flacco's gonna start. He gonna start at some point. Shador gonna get a shot. At some point, he gonna get that shot. And when the door opens.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Let me ask both of you guys, why would Cleveland do. Why would Cleveland do that? Why would Cleveland want a quarterback room with five guys? Does that bring up. Does that mean anything?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They gonna keep three?

[Antoine Walker]

Yeah, they're gonna keep three.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause desean is not playing this year.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He's not playing till, like, January or February, something like that. You're right. I forgot. Late.

[Antoine Walker]

Well, he ain't playing. You might as well just go ahead and, you know, put him on IR and go ahead and let. What I don't get Cleveland. At some point in time, y'all gotta stop trading back. Y'all could have had Julio Jones. You traded back. You could have had. You could have had Travis Hunter and Shador.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Shador and you traded back.

[Antoine Walker]

At some point in time, when guys are sitting there waiting for you to take them.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Take them, right? Yeah, take them.

[Antoine Walker]

It's okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Pull the trigger.

[Antoine Walker]

I guess they're looking at it like we're more than one player away. But sometimes that player can help change things around. I don't. I don't get it. I don't get what they're doing with this situation. Like you said, Twan, he had an unbelievable college career. He played well at Jackson State. And then they said, well, yes, Jackson State. That's why you're doing that. He goes to Colorado, he puts up exceptional numbers, you know, great completion percentage. He throws guys open. No, he's not the most athletic guy, but he's not a decathlete. He don't need to high jump, long jump, pole vault, shot, putt, hurdle, 100, 400, 1500. He don't need to do all that. All he needs to do. Can he take three? Can he drop back five? Can he zone read? Can he do the stuff? Can he process information in a hurry? Yeah, that's what a quarterback needs. He needs to be confident. He needs to be able to process information in a hurry, and he needs to be able to retain information I mean, he's shown you he can do that ever since he. I mean, from middle school to high school to college. So let's see if that's transferable. I like to think that it is. But you don't know, Tuan, you know this same thing with all sports. You don't know what you have in the guy until you get him in your building and put him in your uniform. That's when you 100% know for certain what the hell I got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Antoine Walker]

Cause all this other stuff, well, he won this award and he did all this and he did all of that. And I've seen it, haven't played in the NFL. Guys come in and have all these credentials, and I like. I don't know how they, hey, somebody gave you a fake passport. Cause I don't know how you get all. I don't know how you get all that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Let me ask you guys. In football, is it about the number or is it more about the fit?

[Antoine Walker]

Fit. It's always gonna be fit.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's always gonna be fit. So is that always. Do you guys think it's a. So if you had to grade this fit, what would you guys go right now I know it's gotta go compete.

[Antoine Walker]

I like New Orleans a little better. Me, personally, I would have liked New Orleans a little better.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I would like New Orleans better, too.

[Antoine Walker]

But the thing is now, because Twan, I was telling Ocho last night is that I went to a team. I was a big wide receiver. I went to one of the three teams that had the H back position. Washington had the H back position. The Broncos had the H back position. And the Chargers, San Diego. They were in San Diego. Then had the H back position. Every tight end on the roster got hurt. I'm the biggest receiver. Coach. Reese, come a. Would you be willing to move the H back? I'm gonna catch the ball. Yeah, if you throw me. If you learn the plays. Okay, so now here I am, a big wide receiver. Imagine I don't go to a team that has the H back position. So I switch midway through, like a third of the way I have flat. Probably like week eight, week nine, week ten, they moved me to, like, tight end. Ta da. And the rest of that, they say history. So it's absolutely where you go not. I get it. Because a lot of times, Tuan, you know, this first four or five picks, they get a boatload of money. Now you want to make a boatload of money for a short period of time. For an extended period of time. Because I had a 14 year career. There are a lot of guys that went in the first round, Ocho. They made money for a three, four year period. I made money for a 14 year period. It's not how much money you make, it's how long you make money and then what you're gonna do, it's not how much money you make, it's how much you keep. So it's absolutely tuan fit where you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go that fit and what they do for you while you there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And it's better for him too, though. He got and he's made a little money in the IL space too. So he's okay. He made a little money.

[Antoine Walker]

Had he known what he known, he'd have stayed in college and made some more nil money. It he like hell if y'all gonna take me in the fifth round. He made more than what his rookie contract gonna be. O Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, wow. Wow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But listen, I, I, I think, I think the situation in general is good for him. It get it puts a chip on the shoulder.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, this is, this is how you feel about me? Okay. Bet. Hold my beer. I got this. Watch me. I've. Listen, I've faced adversity before. I've had to hurdle obstacles before. This is just another one that's in the way. Me, I'm going to show you. I'm going to prove to you that I'm worthy of doing all the things you said I can't. Oh, you feel I'm a fifth round pick. I'm a fifth rounder. Okay. I'm not, I'm not tripping. I'm not, I'm not tripping again. Shadors. Hey, Chat. I know y'all can hear me. Shadora. Situation as simple as this. It was delayed. It wasn't even denied. That's all. Yeah, the lane now when you get.

[Antoine Walker]

There, hey, do what you're supposed to do and everything else will take care of itself. Well, nobody care where you got drafted at.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And he had to wait.

[Antoine Walker]

It was so disappointed. And they prank calling him and doing all this other stuff. When you go do what you need to do, everything is fine. Everything will work itself out. Speaking of Trav, The Jaguars are 100% committed to Travis Harder, letting him play wide receiver and corner. They told him, you got a bold vision. And we got a bold vision for you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ocho.

[Antoine Walker]

Yeah. What you thinking?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like what you mean. What I'm thinking. I'm thinking Duvall, man. I like it. I like it. Listen, he said, he said it. Not only during the interview process, allowing him to do what he has dreamed of and been working on the entirety of his career so far. I mean, far as collegiate wise, he said he has a belief and believes. He believes that's the one thing that you need in anything that you do, regardless of whether it's the corporate world or whether it's sports. If I believe I can do it, I can achieve it. You and I, we have different beliefs on whether they can do it at this level, but we're going to find out now. We're going to find out if we can play both sides of the ball. I like the fact that the owners, the GMs, and everyone else inside that locker room are going to allow him to do exactly what he did in college. To what extent, I'm not sure.

[Antoine Walker]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To what extent, I'm not sure. I think they gave a brief press conference on ways they can figure out on how to do it. I'm just excited here, man. I'm happy for traveling. I'm happy for the Jaguars. I'm happy for the fans in that city, especially the city itself, man, they got a good one. He gonna put some butts in the seats, and he's gonna make it exciting for the next decade.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I got a question for you guys. Just, you know, as football guys, just honestly, if you guys know how talented he is and how good he is, which one he's best at, which one do you think he can be the best? Which one you think he could be great at? I know you don't want. It's hard to pick one side, but I'm pretty sure he's better on one side than the other.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like me. I look, I like him at db.

[Antoine Walker]

I do, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I like him.

[Antoine Walker]

He has incredible instincts. I think his instincts are crazy. The way he can see and his recognition to see this and diagnose it. And that's what the really great corners can do, Tuan, is that they can see a formation, they'll see a split, and they'll know automatically what's coming. So I look at this split, I look at these two receivers over here. I might take a glance over there. Okay, I got something for y'all. Run it if you want to run it. If you want to try to run me off deep and try to run this sale right in behind it and watch what I do to it. Yeah, I think he has unbelievable instincts, unbelievable recognition, and you build a package around him. And Ocho, remember we talked about Brian Thomas Jr. Yeah, he's there. He's a lot better than Brian Thomas.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jr. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Antoine Walker]

He's phenomenal. Brian Thomas Jr. He that guy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, Brian. Ty. Hey, Antoine. Brian Thomas Jr. Is one of those receivers that will probably be a top five receiver. Maybe. Maybe after this year. He's that good.

[Antoine Walker]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Out of lsu. And you already know what LSU produced. He wanted them ones must be packages, right?

[Antoine Walker]

See, people, when Ocho and I, we try to explain to people. Yeah. Build a package. You know, you have a third down package, or you have a specialty package, a group of plays that you feel comfortable with him. Maybe it's in the red zone, maybe it's in certain areas of the field, certain situations. But people like. Nah, just let him play as much as he want to play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no. Okay? You can't run him into the ground. You want him to play and make sure he's efficient on both sides of the ball.

[Antoine Walker]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You want him to be efficient.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Can he handle that physicality? Is his body makeup ready for that physicality?

[Antoine Walker]

It's the mental approach, because you got to study. I mean, like I said. Okay, we saying one thing, Ocho, about route recognition as the db, but you have to understand, also, you have to understand coverages from a wide receiver perspective, Right?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Antoine Walker]

You have to understand. So let's just say for the sake of argument, you play in Miami, okay? You guard Tyreek for 12, 8, 10, 12 plays. And now you gotta go up against Jalen Ramsey.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay?

[Antoine Walker]

You know what I'm saying? You guard Zay Flowers and you guard Bashar Bateman. And then you gotta go up against Marlon Humphrey and Wiggins. So, you know, you got to be. Because you. Look, there are very few teams in college that had an elite corner and an elite db.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gonna get it every week now.

[Antoine Walker]

You get it every week. Every week, even if the guys aren't certain.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right?

[Antoine Walker]

They really good. So now you got Nico. And now you got Daryl Stingley. And you got Stingley.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ooh, that's a nasty combo.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I understand what you're saying. Yeah, I see what you're saying.

[Antoine Walker]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ain't no nights. Ain't no. Ain't no nights off. Well, I'm sorry. Sundays off. I'm sorry. Sunday.

[Antoine Walker]

Oh, Joe. Lawrence Taylor has officially said no to Abdul Carter wearing 56 per New York Post. I know he would love to wear that number, but, hey, I think he's retired. Get another number. I don't care if it's double zero and make it famous. This is what Abdul Carter wrote. The worst thing he could have Said was, no, my stance doesn't change lt Goat. Nothing but respect. This is just gonna make me work even harder. Love it, Ojo. I said it. I said, look, me personally, Ojo, I don't even know why he would want that number. Cause he, I mean, do you understand? That's like a kid going to Chicago saying, hey, let me, let me, I want to wear 23.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right, right, right.

[Antoine Walker]

Or you going, you going to LA and saying, okay, can I get 8, 24? Could I get 33? Could I get 34? Could I get 32? I'm trying to figure what, right?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But Chad, let me tell you this. When I got drafted by the Celtics, this is a true story. It's crazy. I just brought up. So they called, you get drafted. You go back there and say, hey, we got to get this jersey printed. What number you want? I say, Well, I won 24 in college. They like, well, that's definitely not available. I said, wow, because you got koozie, you got koozie, you got Bird, you got Mikael, you got Paris, you got Dennis Johnson all gone.

[Antoine Walker]

Casey Jones, Hamlet Jack, Kyle Wilson, Bill Sharma, Tom Heisen, Bill Russell.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You know what they told me? How about we tell you what's the numbers available? They said, the Celtics told me, we're going to tell you what numbers are available. That's how many numbers were retired. So I respect that, that LT didn't get his number up. Those guys have earned that right. They blood, sweat and tears in them numbers. They deserve to stay up there forever. So I respect that and I.

[Antoine Walker]

Look, look, I think Abdul Carter, but people don't understand. Lt is the only player ever to be defensive Rookie of the Year and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Antoine Walker]

He's one of two men in the 100 plus year history of the NFL to win the MVP as a defensive player. He and Allen Page. Do you understand what that means? So that means that the guy that wins the Defensive Player of the Year as a rookie, he's also going to be defensive player of the Year of the entire league.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know what the funny thing about it is? Even if I was a player and I respect Abdul Carter for one to wear 56, even if I was a player, I wouldn't want to be in those shoes. Not in that market, in that market, in that media market. That means not only are you, not only are you a high pick, then you have to meet expectations every week. There is no room for error. There is no room for error wearing 56. If he did grace you the opportunity to wear 56. Because at every, at every turn and corner, at every minute, they're going to have a magnifying glass on your ass as great as you are coming out. If anything, what I'd rather do, Pick your own number and make it famous.

[Antoine Walker]

Imagine going to San Francisco. You will receive and say, hey, can I get 80?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Why the otobyte.

[Antoine Walker]

Hey, hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't even want that pressure. No, I don't want that. I don't want that pressure.

[Antoine Walker]

Got me?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I understand the way you guys break it down. It makes a lot of sense why a kid would want certain people numbers. Yeah, you right. It's just. It's a handful of guys you don't want to put that number on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hey, twine. It's certain shoes I don't want to feel, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I take that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, if I was a Hooper, like Unc said, if I was a Hooper and I happened to go to Chicago, just hypothetically speaking, I ain't want no number. We're 23.

[Antoine Walker]

I don't want nothing with a two in it. Hey, that's too close to 23. I don't want 20, 21, 22, 24, 25, 26. I don't want nothing with A2 in it. I ain't messing with that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

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[Antoine Walker]

Tuan, let me know what you think. We got a Twitter debate for the agent and started this week and everyone is asking us to weigh in. It began do you think 100 ninjas could beat one gorilla. Everybody just got to be dedicated to this. No. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dedicated to death.

[Antoine Walker]

Hold on. Are you talking about a chimpanzee or you. Are they talking about a silverback?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He said a gorilla. It's only one kind of gorilla. A silver back.

[Antoine Walker]

I want to be 100. I want to be 100. I'm not going to be in that first 15.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But listen, it don't matter what number you are. I don't think people. People are really underestimating the strength of a silverback gorilla in general.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They can hurt you. Nah.

[Antoine Walker]

100 I don't care for. Hey, you better get a thousand. And you talking about just what they gonna do with him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no. Everybody. Everybody dying.

[Antoine Walker]

Tuan, what's gonna happen? The first. The first. The first guy, that next patch, they see what he do to that first.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

10, they like, no, I'm good.

[Antoine Walker]

I'm good. I'm good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's so funny when we look at these hypotheticals, especially when they come across Twitter, and sometimes it's outlandish because you just view. You view a gorilla and be like, oh, a hundred dogs could actually take that. And you really don't understand the type of power.

[Antoine Walker]

One punch. You gonna kill a man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kill. Where you. Out of there.

[Antoine Walker]

One plant, one punch. Hey, watch them. Look at them when they fighting in the wild.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Antoine Walker]

And see how they hit each other.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you ever seen the clip the gorillas they going at in the zoo and the lady screaming behind the wall?

[Antoine Walker]

Yeah, she. Break it up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Somebody do something. Come break it up. Listen, you can. You can. You can see the power in them two out there. Out there tussling.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You can.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can feel the power. And it's just a video and a human being, man. Stop playing. That's. Hey, that's a good one, though.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't want no smoke.

[Antoine Walker]

Like I said, I want to be 99 or 100. Cause after he went to 98, I'm gone. He beat a hundred, but two of us he ain't never touched.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, somebody got to live and tell a story.

[Antoine Walker]

That's going to be me, man. Hey, he was slaying him. I was like, oh, my goodness. He bit somebody, Ocho. He bit somebody almost. He ripped the eye. I was like, oh, my goodness. He pulled somebody.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Go ahead, Ocho. You box, Ocho, you be boxing. Go ahead, Ocho. Go and go on in there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be the one on the end. On the tail end. I'm gonna be the one to tell a story so I could tell. I can speak at everybody funeral. Yeah, tell them what happened. I don't want no part of that.

[Antoine Walker]

Absolutely not. All right. Last time, last segment of the night is time for Q and A.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man. Tonight was good. I enjoyed that. I felt like Doris Burke. Boy, I'm talking basketball. Like, I played.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Good, though. I like Doris Burke.

[Antoine Walker]

Oh, yeah, she's good.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

She's good.

[Antoine Walker]

Gold standard up. When are you gonna finally admit Jordan is the goat? Never.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You don't think Jordan the goat.

[Antoine Walker]

Goat. James Go Jones.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, okay.

[Antoine Walker]

James Coleman said, Rockets, sprockets, Hot Pockets, warriors and Fire. Okay. Marcel said, we never talk about the fact that from an organization point of view, Kawhi did what, what Joel should have done for his employer with not going to the Olympics. Kawhi didn't start the season. Now look at him. And Joel was the opposite. I agree.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Twa.

[Antoine Walker]

Let me know what you think. We saw Joel limp out into. Limp out of the season last year. He was probably, what, what you think two years, what, 50%, 60% on that leg. Instead of taking time off, having the surgery or just rest and recovery, he goes into the. He goes to the Olympics and he comes into the season hobbled. Well, if you limp into the season, you're gonna limp out of it. Cause it's hard to get healthy when you're playing every other night. What do you think? How should Joy and I understand the Americans want it because you had yoke and they wanted somebody to be able to bang with yolk. But as a player, selfishly, as an ownership, how do you think Joel, if you're Joel, how do you handle. Let's forget what they should have done. If you're Joel Embiid, how do you handle it?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I would have probably. I would have said, listen, Grant Hale. I would've told Grant Hale, look, I would love to play, but I gotta be healthy come the season. These guys are the ones paying me. I need to be 100%. Is there any way I still could be on the team? Go on the trip, participate, maybe even practice a little bit, But I got to sit out. I'm not going to take a chance of getting hurt and further than myself. And I don't know if they would have did that, but I would have took the recognition of making a team, but I would have not been able to play. Kind of remember when Bird played and they just kind of just set Bird, his back was. You know what I mean?

[Antoine Walker]

It was more ceremony.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. I'm on the team, you know, What I mean, I still want to go with the guys. I want to go to Paris. I want to go through the whole procedure. I just bring my own doctor on the road, my own workout guys. They work me out on the other end of the court while we practicing and put somebody in that spot. But at least let me still be a part of the. You know, I want to hang out with the guys. I want to spend the summer with the guys and still hang out with them. But I would have said my obligations to my team to be healthy to start the season. We got Paul George. We're trying to do something special. We got Maxi. We think we got a chance to compete with the, the Celtics and the Eastern Conference. That's what I would have did because I know it's an honor to be able to play an Olympic team. I know guys want to be able to do that and put that on their resume.

[Antoine Walker]

So, you know that I would have.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Just tried to figure out a way I still could be a part of it, but not actually participating and playing. And I think they probably wouldn't let him do it. I don't know for sure if they would have did it, but they probably would have let him come and still been a part of the team and still work out with the guys. But I wouldn't have put that pressure on my knees.

[Antoine Walker]

Truth. And Antoine made this, made me become cease fans. He's asking if they go back to back. Do you think they keep the same team together and try to go for the three peat.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Depending. They got new ownership group. This is. People got to understand that. So this is new guys coming in. That's right. I don't know. I don't know what their. Their bottom line is going to be financially. We know they're paying the pretty penny for the team.

[Antoine Walker]

They got two guys making 300 million and they got three guys. They got another. Got two guys making excess of 100 million and Al Horford is making what, 30, 40 million dollars a season?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, they got.

[Antoine Walker]

And you got.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And Derrick White. They're paying seven guys. To be honest. They're paying seven guys. They're paying seven guys. They're paying seven guys, Chad. Top money. So I mean, it's going to be tough. I mean, we know it's hard in basketball with the salary cap and all that. It's going to be tough. It's up to the New Orleans and what they feel. If they want to see if they can get them a championship under their belt and pay that luxury tax and comfortable doing that Starting off in the negative, you know, if that's what they want to do, start off in the negative. But it all depends. The jury's still out on ownership. This new ownership package group we got, we got to see how they feel. It's really on them. Because you got to think the Celtics and we. The Celtics don't have their own arena. That's the problem right now. The Celtics don't have their arena. They're sharing that. And so I don't know what this group's going to do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that's funny when you think about it. Even though they have a new group, even though they're paying seven players top dollar and top money, if the reward of what you're paying brings you a championship, why not keep doing it? Why not stick with it?

[Antoine Walker]

Because you're losing money. You got J. You got Jason Tatum making 314. Jalen Brown making 306. You got True Holiday making 130. Derrick White making 120. Pozinga's making probably about 35. You got Al Warford making about 30, Peyton Pritchard making good money. So let's just say, for the sake of argument, let's just say for the sake of argument, how much money am I making by winning that championship up?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And it got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I thought that was. I thought, I thought. Wait, hold on. I thought that was the end goal. So. So what is the end goal as a gm? What is the end goal is ownership?

[Antoine Walker]

The fact I want to make money and win a championship. I would have. Make. I would. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That ain't. That ain't how it work. This. This ain't. This ain't 2K.

[Antoine Walker]

Well, if I spend 6 billion for something, I ain't trying to lose money.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And I know you watch the game. I think at some point the Celts are going to have to make a decision. It's going to be really impossible to fulfill two 300 million dollar contracts for its entirety. I think eventually they're gonna have to make a decision on which one they're going to keep. They're gonna have to get off one of them. And I think they kept it to obviously to be able to win one more. And then I think they're gonna think about it. Like I said, I think they're paying too many guys. They're gonna have to trade or bust a move or do something and break it up just a little bit. Just a little bit. And the new ownership group is gonna probably do that. Think about this chant that the Dallas Mavericks traded Luca. They traded Luca that's crazy because they knew they had to pay him 350 Luke was gonna make. Luca's gonna make 350 next year. They cost Luka $116 million by trading him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's crazy.

[Antoine Walker]

More than that. When you figure California taxes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, that new ownership group traded him. Yeah, they got all that money.

[Antoine Walker]

Crib 2k. Great. Said Antoine asked great football questions. Make him a regular. Yeah, you could tell Tuan likes the game of football. He's done unbelievable tonight. Appreciate that, Tuan. Jamal Singer Station. DOR Sanders. Bernie Sanders. Colonel Sanders. Lions for the Super Bowl.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, that was a great. Oh yeah, I like that. Yeah, you got some great takes. I'm gonna give you the credit.

[Antoine Walker]

You got some great takes to win tomorrow. So I can have another one. How can people be surprised? How can people be surprised? Should door dropped so far knowing there was no team that had a great pre draft interview with him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Y'All gotta explain what y'all interview process go through sometimes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

F that interview, man, that interview don't mean nothing if you're a quarterback.

[Antoine Walker]

If they're quarterback, they'll give you a play. They'll call a play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Antoine Walker]

They'll want you to repeat said play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Antoine Walker]

Then they already told you to say, okay, this is our play right here. It's called such and such. Blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, here it is. They let you see it on the screen. They let you see it on the screen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boom.

[Antoine Walker]

Now they have you regurgitate what that play is and go draw it up on the blackboard.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And then go through your process, go through your reads. If they do this defensively, where you going with the ball? What if they do this, where you going with the ball? Like that. Like, I. I understand that. That part of the interview process, but like, listen, you have a Tuan. You have people, you go in that interview process and they. They perfect. Perfect. You get their ass on the field. Can you play worth a damn? So that interview process, to me, man, that. You know what? That don't mean nothing to me. What you look like when you turn the film on. What you look like when you play against better competition. What you look like when you play against competition. That's inferior. That's what matters. I don't want to hear nothing about no going to no goddamn board or me asking you questions and how you talk back to me. That's not winning me no gains. What do you do when the goddamn whistle blows at one o'clock on Sunday? Because you know I hate these dumbass excuses they giving, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's another question that somebody made. But his numbers don't. Just like, you know, sometimes your numbers stand out where you like. This guy really can play. So his numbers aren't relevant in his draft process.

[Antoine Walker]

I guess they weren't. I mean, sometimes. Sometimes people take the numbers, sometimes people take the combine. Somebody. Sometimes people take the interview you'd like to have. Everything lines up, guy plays well on the field, guy goes to the combine, shows out. You bring him into your building. You're like, you.

[Dennis Black]

Yep.

[Antoine Walker]

Love everything about him. Sometimes the guy have two or three, Sometimes the guy have one or three. Then you have to make a decision. Is this the right guy for us? OS 2004. Honest question. Why can't people criticize Shador? His stock plummeted once the football stopped and the conversation started.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I mean, you can criticize everybody. Ain't nothing wrong with that.

[Antoine Walker]

No, I agree. It's fine.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody's worthy of criticism.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I think. I don't mind the criticism. I think. Nah, I think it's about if the next guy got picked and he's better than me, then I can respect that. I think from my understanding, and you guys can tell me if I'm wrong. But I don't think the guys that got picked ahead of him, I don't think you guys had them from. I'm hearing from most people, they didn't grade out.

[Antoine Walker]

They weren't graded.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They weren't graded. They didn't gray it out better than him.

[Antoine Walker]

Yeah, but you see what he said, Ocho? He said once football stopped. But he's a football player, and we supposed to be having a conversation. We supposed to be critiquing him on football. Football, not the conversation surrounding football. Okay, what about. So what, did he not play well? Did he not? I mean. And I get it. Look, I mean, sometimes guys get nervous. Sometimes guys don't test well, and that's okay. Look, I don't need a guy to take the sat. I need a guy to be able to play well on Sundays and Mondays.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I think that's all that matters Thursday night.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I think, Chad, we need to make this a topic these execs have to understand, too. It is nil money now. It's real money. Guys are getting in school. So, yeah, you're gonna see a Maybach. You gonna see a diamond chain. You gonna see a Rolex. You gonna see all these things before that big NFL paycheck. Cause they already getting money. So you can't judge a Guy because he went out and bought himself some nice things. He's earned that money. And I think the execs gotta understand that, too. They have to realize, too, guys are gonna have already made it. They already living in a nice house. They already have nice things. So you can't hold that against them. That's part of the game now. On the collegiate level, that's part of the game now. You get nil money. So you can't knock this guy because he's getting money and he like. He got a nice chain, he got a nice watch. Of course, that's the things that we want. We different. That's how we do it. Especially in a black culture. Y'all know that's the first thing I want. First thing I wanted was a Rolex.

[Antoine Walker]

I wanted me a Rolex.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I got that. I wanted me a Rolex. I wanted me a car. I want the Benz. I want the Maybach.

[Antoine Walker]

I want the.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's what I want. The first thing. Yeah, so I think they looking at that too, because he has style. He had flash already, but that's the game now. And I am much money.

[Antoine Walker]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ain't like, you know. And his daddy played. How about his daddy played football for 20 years and made a ton of money and played.

[Antoine Walker]

What if he wanted. And he played baseball and what if he wanted to play baseball?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What if he wanted to buy a son a bunch of stuff? So I just, you know, I hate when they just get outside the football ability. That's why I was so curious to hear you guys comment about it as far as football, because the same. From what I watched this year, he was one of the top quarterbacks in football. He won 140. He wasn't. He shouldn't have been picked. 144.

[Antoine Walker]

I know that, Marc. Jasmine said. My new sports Center Nightcap Serial P. Please play for my daughter, who's a sophomore at Michigan State and taking finals this week, we will be at your Detroit show. Cyril, thank you very much. And we are praying for your daughter. And I know she's going to knock it out of the park taking those finals. Cupcake mama. Good evening, guys. If life had playoffs, what moment in your life would be your championship win?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What moment in life would be my championship win? When I.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You go. Go ahead, Chad. Go ahead.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My. I'm gonna tell you, my super bowl, my championship win is coming up in 2026. When I walk down that aisle. Yeah. It finally is that I finally got something in life that gives me structure, you know, Something that gives me Purpose. Yeah. You feel me?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You get married at 26.

[Antoine Walker]

6.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

26. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Congratulations, my brother. Congratulations.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Appreciate it. I'm at. Hey, I'm gonna have open bar, so all y'all can come twine.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You're gonna drink, though, bro?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's for. It's for the. It's for the guests.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. It's for the guests. Then I'm gonna have. I'm gonna have Frankie, Beverly and Maze. I'm gonna have them come play.

[Antoine Walker]

You will have Maze, because unfortunately, Frankie.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm Maze, you know? Hey, it's gonna be. Come on. Yeah, it's gonna be. It's gonna be.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's gonna.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A good time.

[Antoine Walker]

Come on.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

N. He just crushed you. He just crushed.

[Antoine Walker]

He.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He crushed me bad. He crushed me bad. Rest in peace. Rest in peace, Frankie. Rest in peace. Oh, that's a good one.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, me, the two kids of mine, my two daughters. That's. That's.

[Antoine Walker]

That's.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's it for me. My two daughters. That's a girl for me. That.

[Antoine Walker]

I think we know my championship moment. TJ said, oh, I need that Corey Dillon jersey with your signature on it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no, boy. Hey, that's a classic. That CD jersey. I got it hanging up there for a reason. Cd. Cd. This is the last jersey he wore when he was in Cincinnati. He took it off and threw his pads in the stands before he left. That's the jersey he had on. I ain't letting that go nowhere. If ever. Boy, please.

[Antoine Walker]

Hey, Ocho, tell him I follow Hard times. I might have to auction. I'm gonna have to relay Sotheby's. That's last jersey, Corey Dylan War.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, boy. That ain't going nowhere, boy. Absolutely not. No, sir.

[Antoine Walker]

That concludes this episode of Nightcap. Guys. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. I am your host, your favorite UNC, Shannon Sharp, my partner, co host. Number 85, Liberty City's own bingo ring of fame artery, Pro Bowler All Pro Chad Ochocinko Johnson. And joining us tonight, man, great conversation on basketball and very, very knowledgeable about the game of football. Asked some very interesting questions of Ocho and I. He won an NCAA championship in 96 at Kentucky. He won an NBA championship in 2006 with the Miami Heat. He is a 17 and a half point scorer throughout his NBA career. Have an unbelievable career. Antoine Walker Twan. Thank you for joining us, man. Come back and join us again soon.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I'm tripping.

[Antoine Walker]

What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm tripping. I did this with everybody that came on here. Twander. We was to play one on one right now till 11. You think he'll beat me?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nah, you work out too much for me. I play golf, Chad. I play golf too much. But you know what, Chad? I ain't never seen you shooting nothing like that, so I don't know if you skilled enough. I just know you work out a lot. I know you box and work out a lot. I'm on the golf course, man. I'm drinking a little bit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay, okay. Hang on, hang on. Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Matter of fact, I need a couple bottles now. I do a little sipping myself. I do a little sipping. I need a couple bottles. I need a couple.

[Antoine Walker]

All right, send your. I'll send it down there to you. See, Give your address to Ash and we'll get that to you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, I need a couple of them. Yes, sir.

[Antoine Walker]

Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you guys for your support. Thank you for your continued support because without you, there can be no us. Ocho and I, we greatly, greatly appreciate. Everybody at Nightcap appreciate your support and hopefully we'll get your continued support. Please make sure you go check out Shay by La Portier. Now, we do have it in stock and if you cannot find it in a city or state near you, order it online. We will ship it directly to your door. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Go check out my media company, Shay Shay Media on all of its platforms and my clothing company, 84. With 84 being spelled out, everything has restocked. The link is pinned in the chat and supplies are very limited and once they're gone, they're gone. So please get yours while supplies last. Tickets for Not Safe for Work tour are on sale now. Eight stops. Baltimore, Philly, Charlotte, Los Angeles, Miami, Chicago and Detroit. Tickets can be [e-mail] tour that's shayshaymedia.com the link is also pinned in the chat grass. Lineups are looking great. Go get your tickets now to come out and see you guys, Unc and Ocho and be supportive. Thank you again very, very much. Shador Sanders, after a long, long wait, got drafted by the Cleveland Browns at pick 144. The warriors beat the Rockets 104. 93. Thanks. Thanks to Steph Curry. 36 points, 7 rebounds, 9 assists. This the Nuggets clip the Clippers. Aaron Gordon dunks the basketball as the Buzzer goes off. They win 10199 thanks to Nicola Jokic, 36 points, 21 rebounds, 8 assists and who else? We had Thunder sweep the Grizzlies thanks to shay Gil just having 38 minus John. You know they didn't have much of a chance and The Cavs go up 30 as they blow out out the Miami Heat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't had to say it like that.

[Antoine Walker]

I'm Punk, he's Ocho. Thank you for joining us. We'll see you tomorrow night after the Lakers tied this thing up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, Twine.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All right baby.

[Ryan Reynolds]

The Volume.

[Dennis Black]

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[Daniel Jeremiah]

The 40s and free agents Podcast with Daniel Jeremiah and Greg Rosenthal has prepared you for the 2025 NFL Draft.

[Greg Rosenthal]

We've told you what last year's playoff teams need to return to the postseason.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

And how teams with new coaches should approach the draft.

[Greg Rosenthal]

So as draft season comes to a close, we've got you covered. Before your favorite team goes on the clock, we'll break it all down once all 257 picks have been made.

[Daniel Jeremiah]

Listen to the 40s and free agents podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast Podcasts.

[Israel Gutierrez]

I'm Israel Gutierrez and I'm hosting a new podcast, Dub Dynasty, the story of how the Golden State warriors have dominated the NBA for over a decade.

[Antoine Walker]

The Golden State warriors once again are NBA champions today.

[Israel Gutierrez]

The warriors dynasty remains alive in large part because of a scrawny 6 foot 2 hooper who everyone seems to love.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

For what Steph has done for the game. He's certainly on on that Mount Rushmore.

[Israel Gutierrez]

Come revisit this magical warriors ride. Listen to Dub Dynasty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.

[Antoine Walker]

I'm Camila Ramon. And I'm Melissa Ortiz. And our podcast Hasta Bajo is where sports, music and fitness collide and we cover it all. The Arriba Hasta.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This season we sit down with history.

[Ryan Reynolds]

Makers like the Sugar Family, who became.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The first Peruvians to win a Grammy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was a very special moment for us. It's been 15 years for me in this career. Finally, things are starting to shift into a different level. Listen to Hasta ajo on the iHeartRadio.

[A.J. Andrews]

App, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Elf Beauty, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.