Nightcap - Hour 2: Shedeur Sounds Off on Haters + Travis Hunter Get Married

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Episode: Shedeur Sounds Off on Haters + Travis Hunter Get Married

Release Date: May 26, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guest: Jermaine "Ocho" O'Neal – Six-Time NBA All-Star and Head Coach at Dynamic Prep High School, Irving, Texas

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Introduction to Jermaine O'Neal's Coaching Journey

In this episode of Club Shay Shay, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe welcomes Jermaine O'Neal, a six-time NBA All-Star and the head coach at Dynamic Prep High School in Irving, Texas. Jermaine shares his unexpected transition from a celebrated professional basketball career to coaching high school athletes.

Key Discussion Points:

• Personal Struggles and Motivation: Jermaine opens up about his personal challenges, including dealing with abandonment issues and the loss of his father after 13 years in the NBA. This experience fueled his desire to give back to the community and mentor young athletes.
  Jermaine O'Neal (03:06): “I wanted to just go and be with kids because to give back what was given to me.”

• Building Dynamic Prep: Under his leadership, Dynamic Prep has become a powerhouse, producing numerous lottery and first-round NBA draft picks over the past eight years. Jermaine emphasizes the importance of a full-time commitment to coaching at the high school level to make a significant impact. Jermaine O'Neal (04:17): “We’ve had an amazing run...five days a week versus, you know, two or three days a week.”

Navigating Modern Challenges in Youth Sports

Jermaine delves into the complexities faced by modern youth sports, particularly the influence of Name, Image, and Likeness (NIL) policies and parental expectations.

Key Discussion Points:

• Shift in Parental Concerns: There's a noticeable shift from focusing solely on athletic performance to financial gains through NIL. Jermaine criticizes parents who prioritize money over the development and dedication required to excel in sports. Jermaine O'Neal (05:12): “Parents are so, their mind is so, so, so frazzled that can't think appropriately.”

• Impact on Coaching and Recruitment: The influx of money has led coaches to prioritize financial incentives over genuine talent and work ethic, making it harder for young athletes to transition smoothly from high school to college and professional levels. Jermaine O'Neal (07:23): “We're saying we have to show people, hey, look man, this is about the work.”

Addressing Online Negativity and Personal Branding

The conversation shifts to the challenges athletes face with online negativity and the pressure to maintain a certain image.

Key Discussion Points:

• Social Media and Haters: Jermaine discusses how social media has amplified hatred towards athletes, especially those who step into influential roles, like quarterbacks in the NFL. He highlights the double standards where confidence is often mistaken for arrogance. Jermaine O'Neal (29:10): “Some people want you to be humble. They want you to dim your light because it makes them uncomfortable.”

• Maintaining Confidence: Shannon and Jermaine emphasize the importance of self-belief and resilience in the face of external criticism. They stress that true success requires unwavering confidence and dedication, regardless of public opinion. Shannon Sharpe (31:19): “If you don't believe in me, who else gonna believe in me?”

Reflections on Athletic Success and Personal Fulfillment

Jermaine and Shannon reflect on what true success means beyond trophies and financial gains, focusing on personal fulfillment and community impact.

Key Discussion Points:

• Defining Success: True success, they agree, lies in the journey, the camaraderie with teammates, and the personal growth that comes from dedication and hard work. Shannon Sharpe (33:23): “It's about the work. If you do, think about it.”

• Legacy and Giving Back: Jermaine shares anecdotes from his own career, highlighting moments that defined his legacy and his commitment to mentorship through Dynamic Prep. Jermaine O'Neal (43:35): “That's what makes it special...when you have a coach that's been a part of this.”

Special Segment: Travis Hunter's Marriage

The episode concludes with a heartwarming update on Travis Hunter’s personal life. Jermaine and Shannon congratulate Travis on his recent marriage to his longtime girlfriend, Leanna Lani, celebrating his commitment and happiness.

Notable Highlights:

• Celebratory Stories: Brent and Shannon share anecdotes about Travis’s generous wedding gift, highlighting his joyful personality and commitment to his partner. Shannon Sharpe (50:37): “I'm happy for the young fella. He looks so bad. He looks happy.”

• Emphasis on Personal Happiness: The hosts underline the importance of personal happiness and the support of loved ones, celebrating Travis’s milestone as a testament to his positive outlook. Jermaine O'Neal (54:16): “Very happy, man. Listen, that's what it's about at the end of the day.”

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Conclusion

In this engaging episode, Shannon Sharpe and Jermaine O'Neal delve deep into the challenges and rewards of coaching young athletes in today's complex sports environment. They explore themes of personal struggle, community impact, the pitfalls of modern athleticism, and the enduring importance of confidence and resilience. The heartfelt discussion culminates in celebrating Travis Hunter's personal milestone, reinforcing the episode's overarching message of dedication, growth, and personal fulfillment.

Notable Quotes:

• Jermaine O'Neal (07:23): “We're saying we have to show people, hey, look man, this is about the work.”
• Shannon Sharpe (31:19): “If you don't believe in me, who else gonna believe in me?”
• Shannon Sharpe (33:23): “It's about the work. If you do, think about it.”

This episode serves as both an inspirational narrative for aspiring coaches and athletes and a candid look into the personal lives and philosophies of two sports legends committed to fostering the next generation of talent.

Transcript

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Volume Gerald we'll get you out of here on this. You're the head Coach at Dynamic Prep High School in Irving, Texas. Max Prep announced that Dynamic Prep finished number one in the final top 10 high school basketball rankings. Jo, when you were playing, did, you know, always knew you wanted to be a head coach? And what's that journey been like for you?

[Jermaine O'Neal]

Listen, bro, I had no idea that I was until I was a head.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Coach, to be honest.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

But it's been, man, honestly, it's been one of those things where, to be completely honest with you, man, like I, you know, I was kind of dealing with some stuff. I was dealing my own personal issues when it came to, you know, I had a little abandonment issue, you know, growing up. You know, I met my dad when I was 30 years old. He died 13 months later. I was 13 years into the NBA when that happened. So I've always struggled a little bit with this thing. And, and, and then obviously after the deal happened in Detroit, I started, you know, I didn't, I didn't love playing as much anymore, okay, because of every day. And so when I was done, I wanted to just go and be with kids because give back what was given to me. I was fortunate enough when I was a young boy, had Xavier McDaniel start a little team in Columbia. Tyrone gave back. Alex English, had some camps I used to go to. So I just wanted to give, you know, give back to kids, man. And I just really put my head down and, and just started, you know, investing into the community that way. And it's been, we've had an amazing run, you know, with Drive Nation, the club. You know, we've had a bunch of lottery picks and first round picks and even second round picks over the last eight, eight, you know, eight years. And I don't, you know, I feel like I needed to start at a school which is more of an impact because you get them five days a week versus, you know, two or three days a week when it comes. So, you know, I'm energized about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Honestly.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

I don't know how long I'm a coach, I'm a coach again next year. But I do believe that, you know, you have to give back. If you have knowledge and ability to give back to your community, man, you gotta give, you take those tools and give back to these young kids, not only these kids, but most importantly these parents that don't quite understand what it is, you know, when it comes down to the business of being a pro and the pro shit that you gotta do every day to become a pro and not skip steps. And so that's the Reason why I do what I do. And that's why I started Dynamic Prep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you just gotta be honest with him. Your son not gonna be Lebron James. He not gonna be Steph, he not gonna be Michael Jordan. Because you know, every parent think their kid is that kid. But you know what, Unc, I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you the truth, okay?

[Jermaine O'Neal]

For the first time ever, I hear more parents talk about nil than they talk about the pros.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh yeah, really crazy.

[Gerald]

They worry about money.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

Parents that are looking to retire off their kids going to college.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so when you look at the.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

Product, right, the product now and you know when you talk about the pros, the deterioration of it is happening at the youth level.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

And so now you got everybody in place running to go grab kids and I got this, I can get you a deal. And so the parents are so, their mind is so, so, so, so frazzled that can't think appropriately. So they making decisions based off the economics of what they're hearing. Not knowing that, that, that, that true, that true money percent is really 2% anyway getting the money, everybody ain't getting, ain't getting all that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, right. Yes.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

And so that's the thing where we try to, we try to bring some, some real positive information and tools and attach your day to day with what you say you're trying to get to. Right. And so for us, our job community to show people, hey, look man, this is about the work. If you do think about, oh, when you guys coming through, you wasn't worried about where you going, you was going to be chosen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

Because you was good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I was already chosen.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I'm saying.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

So we worrying about the reps and the work that we got to put in I A making no allstar game or getting picked for this or getting picked for that that was coming no matter what. I just got to figure out can my schedule handle it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, Right.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

But right now people are willing to stop working to try to try to talk about or try to get something they ain't investing no sweat equity into from the start. And so that's what's problematic about everything. And that's why you see in the transition happen so hard or is becoming so hard. And that's why college now coaches are saying we only trust 25 year olds. Yeah, you don't trust high school kids no more. 25 year olds, they had shit in control by now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. And they've been and started asking that. I mean, you know People was asking, I remember hearing the question, well, if Blake Griffin was so good, why did he go back for a sophomore season? What? I mean, you know, if a guy's good, it's like basketball. If a guy don't come out after his freshman year, well, man, he must not be that good. I mean you're not going, you're never, you're never going to see another Tim Duncan. You're not going to see a four year superstar like that. You're not, you're just not. It's not going to happen, man. It's not.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

Them fans mad cause they gotta even send their kids to school, right? They want to, they want to skip that damn level too to go get some money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn, it's crazy, bro.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

And it was crazy. I was just down at the live period down in Memphis two weeks ago and I'm talking to the coach, I'm in the gym talking to the coaches for the, this is the club side. And they said man, we just hit checking boxes. So we really getting, we really recruiting out of the portal. And that's staggering to me because again as a parent, my kids going to SMU next year to play in the acc. But as a parent, when I'm looking at this and I'm trying to, you know I'm still have to account for the other parents I have, right? I'm a little bit like, damn. Like really? So these kids, you got some kids out here that's actually really doing it the right way. And he may get skipped over because the coaches are now checked out because now they too afraid to recruit a high school kid because they think the high school kid gonna get him fired.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow, really?

[Jermaine O'Neal]

It's a money game now. So if you. It is kid, three, four, half a million. If he don't come there and get busy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

These coach is gone.

[Gerald]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And plus the thing is jail is that you can't coach kids like you. You get on a kid now, he getting into that portal. Ain't no correction. You just gotta let. Sometimes it's just like you gotta let the kid run amok. Like, bro, I'm just trying. I'm trying. Yeah, I'm gonna coach you hard. Cause you said you wanna go to that next level.

[Gerald]

Yeah. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is what it's gonna take for you to get there? Yep.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

No 100%. And I'm, and I'm, I'm a shout out my school. That's the reason why we in this year three we win it, right? We, you know, we, we get ranked the best prep School. Because I'm not about to let no parent come to my program telling me what to do with the kids. Because you talk about, you know, taking. If your kids say, okay, hey, I want to go to college. I want to be the best to go to college. I want to go to the pros. I know that shit, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But so which one of y' all played college ball? Which one of y' all played the NBA? The wnba? Okay, get back over there. Let me do this. But you know what?

[Jermaine O'Neal]

You know what I call it, though? I said, look, I say this to parents all the time. I said, would you let a career. And I ain't got no problems with lawn care people.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? Would you let a career lawn care.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

Guy do your account? No. I said, well, why would you mess around with your kid unless somebody else that is not. Has no history. You ain't got to be a pro. It has no history. On doing the things, the very things that your kids say he inspired to do. And we see that too many times, man. And then, you know, obviously, we gotta be a little bit better in our community and how we work together as well, too, when it comes to these kids.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. Gerald, thank you for joining us. You got anything you wanna promote? Where can they find you at ig, Twitter, Facebook? Anything you wanna get one of?

[Jermaine O'Neal]

Yeah, just. Yeah, ig, man. Yeah. I'm gonna tell you, man, I'm gonna start doing a little bit more. I'd like to come back on sometime soon, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

Love to be on. You know, I was a little bit again, I told you about my dad's situation, so I never want to miss a moment with my daughter. At Texas, I didn't want to miss a moment with my son. Now I'm an empty nester. So I'm about to start hitting these rounds on, you know, on doing stuff like this with you guys and the TVs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Love it. Oh, absolutely. Your daughter's a volleyball player, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know. Okay.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

That's my mini.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Congratulations on Batman. Jayl, thanks for joining us. Jermaine o' Neal, six time All Star, three time all NBA selection from Eau Claire High school in Columbia, S.C. jail. Thank you for. Thank you for joining us, man. Come back and join us soon.

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[Jermaine O'Neal]

I'm coming down to Miami, bro.

[Gerald]

Come on, man. Come on down here, man. We can play one on one.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We can do that.

[Gerald]

I'm with it.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

Appreciate y' all, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right. Appreciate it. Jail. Oh, During a, during OTAs this week, A.J. brown admitted surprise at his current mindset. Coming into the league, we're taught we're playing for this reason. We're playing for the trophy. And once we got the trophy, it was just like, I thought everything would be fulfilled, like, the hard work and everything. But no, it's a journey. It's the journey that matters the most, that means the most. Because those are the moments you look back with your teammates, those that spending time with, you're going to war with. You're suffering together, you're winning together. Yeah, yeah. I mean, once you. Look, I wanted to be a Pro bowl player.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I want to be an All Pro player, and I wanted to win a championship. I ain't think about no hall of Fame. I didn't realize the hall of Fame until Mark Kessler told me in 96. Like, man, he's like, bro, you could put together a couple more years. You. You can go to the hall of Fame, right? I was like, what? I like, they take seventh rounders in the hall of Fame. He's like, it don't matter what you get drafted in. They go by production. I was like, okay. That was the first time that I had really even gave a thought. Now, mind you, Ocho, in 91, we played the hall of Fame game. I went to that very building that my bus resides in. That's.

[Gerald]

That's dope.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not even thinking, man. They never even. Bro, I'm from Glenville. I'm from Savannah State hall of Fame.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And Joe Green in the hall of Fame. Terry Bradshaw, Roger Staubach, the greats are the greats in the hall of Fame.

[Gerald]

Legends.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. But you realize. And it's not good enough to make one Pro bowl because, hell, anybody could do it once.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can you go back when they know you the guy when they game playing.

[Gerald]

For your ass over and over?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can you get. Can you become an All Pro again when they game planning for you?

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you walk to the middle of the field, man. Hell of a game, Sean. Man, Ocho, hey, man, you gave us that work today, Ocho. Hey, don't worry about it. We see your ass again. Yeah, that's what I want. I want. When y' all go to meeting on Wednesday, I want y' all to circle the A. I tied in at 84. We gotta deal with him. And I totally agree with AJ because there's nothing like. That's what you. Ocho. I never miss the game. I miss the bus rides, the plane rides, the bull, driving in the locker room, in the training room. Joking and the meeting room cracking joke. That's what you. Cause that's what you're never gonna be able to replace.

[Gerald]

Ever.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You'll never. You never. And you look, you're not besties with everybody, but you're not going to be around 10, 11 guys that y' all laughing and joking about. You're never going to be like that again. It's never gonna be like that again. Don't you.

[Gerald]

Nah, it's not. And listen, and just what you just Talked about about A.J. brown, I've become a little bit more fond of Young Bull man as of late, hearing some of the things he's talked about. I'm not going to get into detail on it, but his perspective on life and other and other topics that I've seen him speak on. And he's become a huge, a huge favorite of mine. Not even the receiver AJ Brown. I'm talking about the human being, the person, the husband, the person he is and values and morals in which he stands. And said, I never knew that about him. I never knew it about him because I've never had the opportunity to interact with him outside of the game of football. But hearing him and where he stands, you know, in, in his beliefs, though, very, very, very admirable from the outside, looking in on, on. On what I thought the individual was like.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

No.

[Gerald]

Based on what I see on the field, but in who he truly is off the field. Dude, I. I love. Dude, man, I love. He real sharp. He's sharp and he got a sharp mind, man. So it was a joy to see him in a different light than what I expected based on the football player that I got to watch on Sundays.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I remember we won the super bowl and obviously, man, ain't nothing like it. Like I said, we broke the NFC. The NFC had run 14 straight Super Bowls, Ocho. And to win it and to hold that trophy, to actually be on the field, to have the confetti come down in your colors and you got the trophy. Now think about how many times I've seen the super bowl winning team go on the field and get that trophy and everybody's looking at it. Now I finally have it. Yeah, a small kid from Glenville, Georgia, went to Savannah State and seventh round draft pick and I'm the starting tight end. They announced my name and everything. And everybody in Glenville said, you know what? I know somebody that actually played in the Super Bowl. As a matter of fact, I probably went to school with him, his brother or his sister. That was me. And winning that Trophy that was like, that was at that point in time, probably the crowning achievement of my career. And I remember going into the off season and I like. Cause back then, you know, it was 16 games, Ocho. And then, you know, we had to still had the two weeks and so we started playing, I mean, we first week. So I think. I think the super bowl was damn near like the end of January. It wasn't. It didn't bleed into February. And I just remember like the off season, Ocho. I was like, man. So I took about an extra week off and got back into it. And I remember when we came back to OTAs and Mike got up in there, he's like, hey, congratulations guys. I'm proud of this. I'm proud of you guys. He said, if you want to be special, you got to go do it again. Yeah, there are a lot of teams that's won one in a row. He said, if you want to be special, you want to be remembered, we gotta go back to back. And that was the mindset that we adopted. And I remember once to see we came out of. I mean, we had a great, you know, as a matter of fact, we had a great training camp. Everything was great. We having fun. And Mike would put one. Like most teams have their schedule up there, all 16 games, right? We put one game at a time. He said, this is a 16 round fight. We going one round at a time, right? Boom. Knocked the Patriots out. And so we just going down, just checking up. Just checking them off. Checking them off, Ocho. Checking them off. 13 weeks. Because think about it. We won our last last game. No. Yeah. Won our last two games. 97. Yeah. Won our last two games in 97. Now last game in 97, beat the Chargers. Then we go through the playoffs, win the super bowl. Then we come out. So we win like 18 straight games. O feeling good.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get to the playoffs. But I agree with everything he said. There's something about that moment. And when I get on the phone and I talk to Burns or me and Ross Smith calling foots fe some of them guys, and man, we just. Hey, man, you remember such. And so we at the back of the plane, Joanie. I mean, very few, very few times, Ocho, do we ever talk about the super bowl game itself. We're talking about going to the game. We're talking about on the plane ride back, on the bus ride back. Very seldom do we mention anything about the super bowl itself. We always talk about the plane ride or man, you remember, we got a man, we got snowed in and we had to go get people on snowmobiles to go to Buffalo. We get to Buffalo like 1:30, 2:00 clock in the morning and we got a 1:00 clock game. Yeah man, that was so much fun. Ain't nothing like that and nothing like that. And then when you're in it, Ocho. Yeah, you don't get to enjoy it. You don't. You don't because you, you're in it and you feel if you enjoy it, it's going to take you out of that mindset of what you need to do to make sure you try to stay in it. So man, ain't nothing like that. Hey, A.J. brown said he's also upset about the current hair haircut price in the country. Haircut price are crazy nowadays. I used to pay $20 for a cut AJ ain't no more 20 for a cut, right?

[Gerald]

We I used to pay 5T mobile.

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Boy, times are different, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Ocho, look, I ain't got no problem, you know. Hey, good. $60 for a cut. I'm gonna go ahead and tip your phone in. Ocho, dude, they be wanting 200, 300.

[Gerald]

To cut me, man. Listen, it's time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, charge $15 for a part.

[Gerald]

Hey, hold on. You talking about a haircut? 200, boy. Two steaks at the grocery. At the grocery store. What?

[Jermaine O'Neal]

$43?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but you ain't gonna. Well, guess what. How much are they in the restaurant? Oh, $70. So at least you got two.

[Gerald]

Hey, they got to make their money up some kind of way. They ain't got no chance to mark it up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're not. Look, a lot of times. A lot of times what happens, Ocho, is that if an app. If. If barbers cut athletes, celebs and entertainers, they want to live that lifestyle, bro, you need to. You need to play. Pick up a. Play a sport. You need to act, play an instrument, or dance, sing or something, because you not fitting to come up on me. Hey, I grow dreads. First. I grow dread, I get twist. I'm not paying no 300 for no cut. I don't care if I got 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 million. I'm not paying no 300 for no cut, Ocho.

[Gerald]

Hey, that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm not.

[Gerald]

That's a lot. That is just a cut.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That.

[Gerald]

Listen, that's a lot. Now. Now, what we can say is. Is about our. But. But Our. But our friend not too long ago who's down here in Miami. Now, that kind of service. Yes, I forgot. Forgot. I forgot his Instagram name. But for that kind of service now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, $300.

[Gerald]

Now we talking. We can.

[Jermaine O'Neal]

We can.

[Gerald]

We can talk.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Okay. You gonna cut it. You gonna dye it. You gonna give me a facial?

[Gerald]

Facial and all. Yeah, I got you. Now, that I understand. Now, I'm not gonna get that every time. Right time. But every so often, you know, you got your nice little date night with your girl. You want. You want to get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. Boom.

[Gerald]

There you go. Now you good, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Please, man. You think I'm let you. You gonna be on my head for cutting my hair for 30 minutes, and I'm gonna go give you 300. And then you wouldn't expect to tip.

[Gerald]

Tip?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who tip what I gotta tip? Don't eat egg salad to ride the bus. That'll be a terrible experience for everybody. I ain't got nothing for Yo Joe. No, but now I'm trying to think, aj. Yeah, well, I'm saying. I think. I'm trying to think. When I played, how much was I playing for? A cut? Yeah, I'll play about 20, $30.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I played. The dude cut my hair. Now, you do a good job. I give him. I give him a good day. I think he, like, 45, 50 hours of hair. I give him a hundred.

[Gerald]

Damn. Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Gerald]

Big money. Okay. Yeah, big money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he did do a good job of getting me in because like, like when I was in Atlanta, Ocho, like all my. I like, I don't like to know. I don't do no walk ins. I like a standing appointment. So for my nails, my facials, right? My haircut, my massage, I would pay at. For the, I would pay for the whole year. God damn, Pay the whole year. Because guess what, Ocho, When I say, When I say, hey, I want my time, they're more apt to move somebody to get me in as opposed to them moving me to get somebody else in.

[Gerald]

But you done already paid everything up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I done paid. I done got back.

[Gerald]

Hey, weren't you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, yeah. Hey, I always did that.

[Gerald]

Hey, you, you complaining about me owing you 5,200 and you paying for nails, manicures and haircuts a whole year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They providing a service. What you doing? You taking money out my pocket. I can't pay him. I told her, I said, I told the barber I would pay you money, but ocho owe me 5,900 and I can't pay you.

[Gerald]

I ain't never heard nobody do that. You. But, yeah, hey, you different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, O, check this out. I remember I paid. I had ran out because I get like. So I got this package and that lady runs a special on, on facials. You know, if you go ahead and pay you by 12, can I get them once a. She'll give you 15. I bought the package, got the job at Fox. I, I, I still got some other books. I have some of the books, right? I ain't got a little more, but. Yeah, but I like that I, I like a standing appointment. They know I'm coming at this time. Hey, when I go, when I get my massage Monday. I used to get massages Monday. No, Wednesday and Friday. That's when my massage haircut was Thursday, Nails Thursday. I like that. I like knowing. I, I, I like, I like structure. I like a schedule. I like being on the schedule. I think everybody knows that, right? And I'm gonna be a. I'm gonna be a. And I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be ticked if I come in there and I gotta wait longer than five minutes because you know I'm coming. I've already paid you for this time, so don't. Hey, don't be trying to get. Hey, I, I can squeeze you in. Come at 2:45 when you know my appointment's at 3 because I'm gonna feel some type of way I'm be. So just so everybody know, Shadow discussed the hate he receives online while saying he's planning to be visible in the Cleveland community. 99% of the hatred directed at me is towards my pops, and then I'm just his son. But the kids didn't grow up in an era where they watched him play. It's just the older generation that does it to me rather than younger people. Because when I come to a I, there's no negativity. I see. But it's all over online. That's why I say I like going to school. I like going to schools in person and actually meeting the kid. And any questions they have, I say, just ask me whatever the question you want. Pick any question. No filter, no anything. That's what they say. And I. And then I just answer whatever they need me to answer. What you think, Ocho? Any truth to what he said?

[Gerald]

Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. Listen, is the young folks really don't have a problem with it. They enjoy them. But it's the older kids, not all the kids, the older gen. Older folks in general.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Gerald]

That's been all hating. And yes, some of the hate does come from his father, but also some of the hate is going to come from him and what he's been able to accomplish so far, what people mistake for arrogance or cockiness, which is merely confidence, which is all he's showing. Some people don't like that. Some people want you to be humble. They want you to dim your light because it makes them uncomfortable.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, my light is hurting your eyes. My light shining bright, it might do.

[Gerald]

But I'm not dimming it. Obviously, he's a quarterback. The quarterback position is supposed to carry themselves a certain way. It's a way in which he doesn't carry himself, and he hasn't been given any grace, as opposed to other quarterbacks that were just as boisterous. You know, they don't know. You know, with the money, they love that didn't. Listen, listen. It's different. It's a double standard, but it is what it is. So you understand that. I hope he doesn't change anything. I hope he doesn't change anything. Just put his head down, do the work you need to do and handle your business. And change the quarterback position, which hasn't been good for the Browns consistently in a very, very long time. Since number 19.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Since. Since Bernie Kosar in the 80s.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And before that, you got to go back to Otto Graham. So they really only had two good quarterbacks.

[Gerald]

Well, I'm wishing him well, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, you're not going to be able to win with people because If I dress nice, oh, he trying to show off. If I dress down, he broke.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You feel, Ocho? Ain't no in between. No, and ain't no in between. Because it's your. You. You're projecting. You're projecting, right? The man's confidence. The man believes in himself. Every. Everybody that's ever accomplished anything has believed in themselves. Sometimes you're the only. If I don't believe in me, who else gonna believe in me?

[Gerald]

Exactly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When people told me, ashana, you ain't gonna do nothing, I believe the one person that told me I would. Me. Because I was the one that was gonna be lifting that weight. I was gonna be the one that was running. I was gonna be the one that stayed in and didn't go out and party. That was going to be me. Now, if it didn't happen, Ocho, I wasn't gonna be able to blame anybody because I knew what I wanted to become. I knew what I wanted to accomplish. But no matter what you do, if I say y' all go out there, I'm bragging, then I don't show up and play well. He sorry. He terrible. I told you what I was gonna do. I'm bragging. I don't do anything. I'm not any good. I dress well. He tried to show off. I got hold of my. He broke. Hey, listen, so how do I win?

[Gerald]

By not caring.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I eat at a nice restaurant, man, I wish I would pay $100 for a steak. Man, them drinks cost $30. They see me eat that. A fast food chain, man, he got. Hey, he can't eat. He with a fast food chain. Cause he can't eat at that 100. You see what I'm saying, Ocho?

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So at some point in time, you just got to be secure in who.

[Gerald]

You are and do what you want to do, no matter what, and do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you want to do.

[Gerald]

Can't please everybody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? And that. And that's the. That's the. That's the hardest part, right? Is that because before Ocho, you didn't have. You didn't have. We didn't have social media so people couldn't jump in your comments. People didn't have a way of saying anything. I mean, the national media, they might. You know, you had a bad game, they would tear you up. But now, I mean, everybody jump on your timeline. Everybody got something to say. Everybody.

[Gerald]

You. You have to be in a. In an era where everybody is very sensitive individuals that are in the limelight, whether it be sports, entertainment, entertainment. You have to be mentally strong. Mentally you do. You just. You just have to be. And if you're not. If you're not mentally strong, you don't need to be in certain business. Businesses in general, because. Oh, they coming for you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Because, look, everybody's not happy for your success, and sometimes they want to see you successful until you become successful. And then, you know, I told you. Andrew Schultz told me a great quote. He said, the easier it is to make money doing something, the more resentful and envious people become of you. Because everybody feel like they got a voice and they can talk.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So if you making X amount of money, hell, I can do that. Why he get to do it as I can't. You see, everybody realize, bro, I ain't fitting to be 6, 9. I'm not gonna be able to run no. 4, 340. I'm not gonna be able to hit the curveball, the slider or the change up. But talking, Ocho, you mean to tell my. With a camera and a microphone. And he can make that. He making that kind of money and making that kind of money.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So the easier it is to do something, the more resentful and envious people will become of you and it. And I'm not. Look, like I said, I wasn't used to this, Ocho. I wasn't. I wasn't used. Like, I play football. I'm expecting Kansas City to dislike me. I expect the Raider fans to dislike me. I'm on the Broncos. We beat hell out your team. You should dislike me. Right? But when I got into this and I didn't know I had this, even at Undisputed. Cause, you know, I was everybody's favorite uncle. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? I was talking about the George Floyd. I was talking about Walter Scott. I was talking about Eric Garner. I was talking about Sandra Black. I was doing all that stuff. Ocho. We talked about Colin Kaepernick. Skip and I, we talked about it with everybody else. Had abandoned it, and would nobody touch it? We touched it. And I'm talking about with both feet. So I, like, I'm on my own now. Because everybody kept telling me, man, you need to be on your own. You don't need to be taking this yada, yada, yada. I said, okay, man, he'll sell out. He gossiping. He's zesty. It's like, well, damn.

[Gerald]

But they gonna come there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you know what? And you know, like, Shannon. That comes along with it. I was like, really? That comes along with it. I've always felt I wanted the fortune. Damn. To fade. You know, you hear a lot of people say, ocho, fame and fortune. Nah, I could have did I could have take the fortune.

[Gerald]

Yeah, I mean, listen, it's nice. The fortune is very nice. I hear a lot of people tweet that out. I want the money, not the fame. Well, it's really hard to have one without the other.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is.

[Gerald]

It's very hard to have one without another. There, there is, there's, there's no give and take.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, it all depends on how you accumulated it. See, if you accumulated in sports, if you accumulated it in entertainment.

[Gerald]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's hard. A lot of these billionaires, they walk by you, you wouldn't even know who they were.

[Gerald]

No, you wouldn't. You wouldn't definitely would you?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You would have no earthly idea that such and such is worth a billion, 2 billion, 800 million. Because they didn't make it in a way that you saw them make it.

[Gerald]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

See, if a guy playing sports well, LeBron James has made 800 million, well, 500 million in NBA salary. Tom Brady made 300 plus million dollars in NFL salary. So you can see that. But a guy that invested in Google, that you didn't see, a guy that brought Netflix on the video, you didn't see it. Somebody had Berkshire Hathaway, you didn't see. So, and they sitting on tons or they got this invested in a startup, Uber, and now they 10x15x30x their money sitting on hordes of cash. Ocho.

[Gerald]

Oh yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Walk right by you.

[Gerald]

You never know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Never, never know. But you know what, Ocho? And now you see it comes along with it. That comes along with his territory. I feel bad, but I think Shador, being in the situation that he's in and being who he is, I think his dad has prepared him for this. Oh, absolutely. I think he's prepared extremely well.

[Gerald]

Absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, Tyme got it. You know, people say time was selfish, going back and forth playing football and basketball. Why don't he debate, bro? I mean, think about it. If you can make 20 million doing one job and you can make another 20 million doing another job, you're like, nah, I don't want that 20 million over there. You know, it wasn't like he was doing it on the free. They were paid him to play baseball. Yeah, he getting two checks and he was good.

[Gerald]

Damn good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, you. But it's tough. I mean, some people are delighting that he got. He went into the fifth round. But you know, Ocho ain't where you go is what you do once you get there.

[Gerald]

That's it. That's my. That's my favorite line.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because at the end of the day, you're gonna have to show one way or another, you for cal war with the first pick, he gonna have to show what he can do in Tennessee. All everybody. You'll get helmet and shoulder, pass some cleats.

[Gerald]

Hey, okay. You know, and go prove you are.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you say you are.

[Gerald]

And he flying under the radar right now, too. Now because of all the attention that she has. And he flying under the radar. I'm wishing him well, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I mean, I know you from Miami, but everybody wasn't happy when Ocho went to Cincinnati.

[Gerald]

No, probably not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Hell no.

[Gerald]

No, you. I didn't care either. Because one thing, that's my dream.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It ain't yours. Hey, I don't know what your dream. I ain't living your dream. I'm living mine.

[Gerald]

Hey, it didn't mean it matter. Ain't matter who cared or who cared.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not nothing.

[Gerald]

I knew what was gonna happen when I got there. I could tell. I'll tell you that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't worked this hard to have a cup of coffee. Oh, yeah. You know I tried out for the Broncos. Oh, no, it wasn't gonna be no trial. Trial. I don't know nothing about that, Ocho.

[Gerald]

I ain't had no choice but to make it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it. That's it. To put all those years. Think about how long you've been playing. I think I started playing tackle football at nine.

[Gerald]

Yeah, I started at four. Liberty City Optimist. I mean, Miami Lakes Optimus. I never forget.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I started playing football at nine years of age. So nine. Got drafted at 21. Turned 22 like two months later.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So 13 years. That was. I mean, not making it was no option for me. I knew they had something I can do. And now I have a 13 year special team career. But I'll go play in the NFL.

[Gerald]

Something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't give me no chance. Give me a chance if you want to. To get out there now, getting the job back.

[Gerald]

I'm thinking about that. Man, that's so long ago.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

1998. Miami Lakes Optimus. I remember my coach, too. Miami Lakes optimus. Pythons off 67th Avenue.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you weren't no damn four years old in 1998. What the hell you talking about?

[Gerald]

No, I'm thinking about my first coach. I'm telling you what I can. I can remember and recollect.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You said 1998.

[Gerald]

Yes. I started at 4. But I don't remember my coaches when I started that year. Oh, I'm telling you, when I first.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Started, I remember my coach.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dale Dutton.

[Gerald]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

With my first coach. His mom was a substitute teacher.

[Gerald]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that day at PE smoked all the kids talking about, you ought to play football for my son. You want to play football, son?

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like you better. You better. You talk to my grandma. You married boy, ain't you? Yes, ma' am. Bus dropped me off. The lady let down there, run me over, pulling the yard. Hell, no. I got the bus. I went. Damn. You know, you could have called.

[Gerald]

Damn, man, that's ate them some good memories, man. I never.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Dorsey missing with Western Soul. He was my second coach.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Cause you know, everybody got to pick three. You get to pick three players. Cause I like. You do it, Ocho. See, like, I came late. They had already started my first coach. They had already got the team I already picked. But I was gonna play on her team. And I was like, I gotta play on his team. Cause he gonna take me home, right? Yo, hey, if you upbring Shannon Sharp home, I couldn't play, right? Cause. And we didn't have one car. And my sister wasn't gonna be coming to pick me up from practice. So, Mary say, Francis, you gonna fetch that boy home? Yeah, Mary. I'll bring him home. Okay. So she brought me home next year, Dorsey. I went in the first round. Brought me home and then. What's the guy? Billy Shoemaker. Oh, man, I can't think of the guy's name. Ocho. Damn. Might have been. Was it Dale Kicklider? Dale Kicklater might have been my coach. I got. I gotta ask Libby tomorrow. But I got that ride home, though.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. And when I played when I got to high school, Ocho. I know it was a. They weren't supposed to do it. But you had to. Because my aunt. My sister would drop my aunt off to all the football games. Basketball games. Attract me. Shit. You had. Ooh. Sorry. Damn. Oh, you had to take my aunt home, right? Yeah, my aunt ride home, it'd be all the guys in. My aunt. Hey, hey, Coach, you know my aunt. Oh, yeah, she can. Come on.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Gerald]

That'S dope, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, man. She. She went to every. She. My Aunt Jane call the top. She went to every football. Every one of my football games in high school. Every one of my home basketball games, she was there. Every one of my track meets, she was there every last one of them. Damn. I come out, hey, I get dressed, top, you ready to go? Yeah. She get. Hey. She get in the bed. She get on the bus with us. Every one of them.

[Gerald]

Having some days.

[Shannon Sharpe]

As a matter of fact. My. My. My. My track coach and my high school football coach. Coach hall, actually, he going to the hall of Fame, my brother. He coached my. Obviously. He coached my mom. My mom graduated in 60. I graduated 86 for 26 years. He coached 50 years, right? Yep. He told the doctor, coach, I'll probably be about. Oh, Coach all, Mama, 81. So coach all should be about 87. He told the doctor, he said, coach, how you doing? He said, I'm doing good. He said, I got one more guy. I got one more boy to get into the hall of Fame. And then, doc, I'm good after that. I don't care nothing about it after that.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, man. That joker called my sister. He get in coach all. I don't know. Okay, when you find out, let me know. So he got in, she drove up there and she told him, coach Ali. But I showed good. So we just booked him his wife reservation. I think the other day. I think Shelly took care of it the other day. That's what makes it special, Ocho. When you have a coach that's been a part of this. He coached my mom, he coached my uncles, my driver's Ed, all my aunts, my sister, me, my brother. And then was a part of it. Cause he lived in Savannah, the home games. I look, I see him on the side. I see him standing over the side. Had a white guy named Billy Strickland. Ocho. Only white guy there. Only come from Glenville. Only white guy at the Hall. He was at the. That man was so proud Ocho. He said, it's the proudest day of my life. That had to be the. He was. He's my pharmacist.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So my grandma would send my sister up there to get medicine, not have no money. He said, don't even worry about it. Don't even worry about it. Yeah. Yeah. Billy Strickland was at the game, standing on the side. I would see him. Cause he. And obviously he and Coach hall knew each other. They be standing there. That's what. That's. That's what makes it fun. Coach hall drive. He drove to D.C. drive to Tennessee, drive to Jacksonville, if I'm close.

[Gerald]

Atlanta, you driving.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He coming?

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If it's anything. If it's anything under 12 hours. Coach all gonna drive. He coming. We play in Carolina in a preseason game. Coach all there? Coach all there. Yeah, man. Cause you know, when they first started, they played at Clemson, and then they got their own stadium. Coach all coming. And, man, it's so great. It's an unbelievable feeling that he gets the experience. It ain't a whole lot. It ain't a whole lot of guys. Coach. Two guys that go to the Pro Football hall of Fame. And he got. He's in the. Coach. He's in the Georgia Coaches hall of Fame, man. He was so proud. He told us. Me and my brother went up there and went up there for that, man. That's what it's all about, Ocho. Travis Hunter. Travis Hunter had a busy month. First, he was selected number two overall by the Jacksonville Jags in the NFL Draft. Then he graduated Colorado May 15th. And on Saturday, he got married to his longtime girlfriend, Leanna Lani. He gave her a gift, a ceremony worth at least. At least 600k. It's a Mercedes Benz AMG 63 Brabus, 8 Hyundai. Yeah, if they nice. Yeah, they nice. But your boy ain't got that kind of bread. Yeah, bread, baby boy got that kind of bread. No. And if they had it, he ain't buying one of them. Once you get to a certain age like myself, Ocho.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

About to be 57 in a month.

[Gerald]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I done had everything I want now.

[Gerald]

Hey, yeah, you want to chill, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I done did it. I done did it. I done did it. I done had the Ferrari and the rose and the Bentley. Big body, Benz and range. I don't have all that. Did it all, but, hey, I'm happy for the young fella.

[Gerald]

Oh, yeah, I'm very happy, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He looks so bad. He look happy.

[Gerald]

Very happy, man. Listen, that's what it's about at the end of the day, and I'm glad him and his wife ignored all the haters on the outside. No, ignore all the haters. Everybody gonna have an opinion. Everybody gonna have to say this, blah, blah, blah, whatever. As long as they happy. Trav, focus on what you got to focus on. Go out there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

And turn Jacksonville in Duval county upside the down. Turn it upside down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We should see Ocho. That should have been us many years ago. Ocho. Never mind.

[Gerald]

Wait, what should have been us?

[Jermaine O'Neal]

Married.

[Gerald]

Oh, right now. I've been trying to get you mad, man. Listen, I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What about you?

[Gerald]

Oh, I'm getting married. I told you. 20, 26. I'm not playing. Hey, let me tell you. Let me tell you something. When. When the ball. When that ball. When that ball dropped. December. What? 31st.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

I ain't got time to play. I ain't got minimum.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, you had me. I had this white linen outfit. I was gonna wear this.

[Gerald]

And listen, you gonna still be. You're gonna still be able to wear it. I tell you that. I ain't got time to play. Ain't nothing out there, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You right. You right. You ain't. You know what I'm showing you? When you're right, you ain't wrong.

[Gerald]

And listen. But I ain't got time to play no games. Right. I'm jumping the broom. Two of them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, right.

[Gerald]

Two of them if need be. I told you. Listen, pay attention now. Think about all the stories we done talked about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

Football players, basketball players, and everyone that's having success. Do you notice what they all have in common? They all what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They're married.

[Gerald]

I want some of that. I want some of that. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Listen, God ain't. I'm going to tell you what my grandma used to told me. God ain't finished with me yet. He wait. He waiting on me. I'm not gonna finish the work that needs to be done with you until I have a foundation to build it on. So I'm gonna go ahead and create that foundation. Now watch. Now what? Now watch how everything just starts, just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Coming up until you pay me my 5,900. When I get on you, I'm gonna take as long as God took.

[Gerald]

Hey, listen, I'm. I'll tell you what. I'mma talk to God about it. I'm gonna see what he say. Let me. Hey, let me. Let me tell you. My grandma.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You need to talk to me about it.

[Gerald]

Hold on. Let me pray on it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why you gotta pray on my money?

[Gerald]

No, it's not. It's not. It's not about praying on your money. Just. I want to talk to God about it to make.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't talk to him yet?

[Gerald]

Yeah. Oh, we. We talking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's about. You probably say God, you know, uncle ain't got no patience, and I sure be trying his patience. I need to give him his money.

[Gerald]

Nah, listen. Jesus got the will. Don't worry about it. As long as Jesus got the will be going in the right direction, well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't in it. So I need you to pay me my 5,900. I ain't in his wheel. That. That between you and God. I need you to cut me. I need you to give me 50. 900 in cash.

[Gerald]

I got you. I got you. Ain't no pressure. Ain't no pressure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, congratulations, Mr. And Mrs. Hunter. Ms. Hunter. Enjoy your gift. 63 Brabus, 800. Them things nice, too, Ocho?

[Gerald]

Yeah, yeah, they nice. They real nice. They real nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, Ocho, now it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Cash Said. Y' all talking about haircuts. But imagine what we pay go to the hair salon robbery. But, Tash, here's the thing. We get our haircut every week or. Or sometimes twice a week. Yes.

[Gerald]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So just imagine playing, bro. Imagine paying every week. That's twelve hundred dollars. That's twelve hundred dollars a month. Oh, no, no. At the time, I was getting my hair cut two times a week.

[Gerald]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause I. You know, being on television, so, you know what I'm saying? Oh. So I had. You know, so I get my haircut. I get my hair cut Sunday, and then I get it cut again on Wednesday. So imagine $300. $300. That's $600 a week. $600 a week times four. That's 2,400 times 12. Damn.

[Gerald]

You got money, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, bro. I told you, I didn't pay no 300 off no damn haircut. But, y' all. But. But see, y' all be getting a lot of stuff done. Y' all be. You know, y' all. Sometimes y' all get what they. What they call them lace fronts. They begin extension. Yeah, y' all begin.

[Gerald]

Y' all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all get labeled.

[Gerald]

They take an ish off. They do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They ain't adding. All I can see is they putting the throw on.

[Gerald]

Yeah. And listen, it's a lot of work goes into that. And listen, you got to think you got to think, now, some of them wigs that they get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they get.

[Gerald]

They, they, they, they. Different prices of that stuff now, they get expensive. They.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Gerald]

Wig can go from 200 to 1500 now, depending. Depending on. Then you got to get your lashes done. Then you got to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How long? How long? How long. How long a wig last, ojo?

[Gerald]

It depends on the person. Depends on the person. Now, some people take care of the wigs and some people don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay?

[Gerald]

It should last you anywhere from about a good three weeks. A good three weeks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And so they got to go back and get it touched up again, huh?

[Gerald]

Yeah, yeah, especially. Especially, you know, you do any kind of color to it, you can. You get me on point, you got to take care of your wig. Some people don't take care of their wigs, though, huh? They don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Quinn May says strip clubs will you sign for you, Ocho? Huh? He said strip clubs were designed for you.

[Gerald]

Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. What do you mean, strip club with the same for me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you was in there. You was at booby trap.

[Gerald]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I took. I took twin. I took twin up there. I took okay up there, you know? Matter of fact, man, my oldest. My oldest daughters came with me, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, they had a good time, huh?

[Gerald]

Man, listen, we had a good time. I ain't throw no money, though. I ain't throw the money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, they threw the money.

[Gerald]

I mean, they. They had their own money, though. You think I'm going to strip club and finna spend my goddamn money? Now you think I'm gonna pay somebody else, right? Yeah, yeah, man, I ain't even paid you. You think I'm gonna pay them?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that. That. That's what I was waiting on you to go there. That's what I was waiting on you to go. I'm gonna get this bat and go right upside your head. I'll wait on you to say, yeah, I threw the money up.

[Gerald]

Oh, oh, absolutely. Hey, listen, listen. I'm all about. I'm all about supporting, you know, the naked hustle. But at that time, I'm not in a position where I can do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay? Nick Mars said, hey, Unc, now the tour postponed. Ocho has another out for your 5,900. Now, what that man gonna wait till 20, 26 to pay you? Nah, you right.

[Gerald]

Nah, I'm gonna get you right. I'm get it to you right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You. You, Nick, you ain't wrong. You right. That's what he waiting for?

[Gerald]

Nah, he wait.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He waiting. He waiting all that time to pay me my money.

[Gerald]

Not really. I got Apple pay it to you right now. You got Apple pay?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't got no Apple pay. No.

[Gerald]

You got cash app you. You got Zell, Huh? No, baby.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. You watch the New York knicks come from 20 down to defeat the Indiana Pacers 106 to 100. They outscored him by 16 in the fourth quarter, thanks to Cat, who was sensational in that fourth quarter. Jalen Brunson was Jalen Brunson. Thibodeau switched up his lineup. He inserted Mitchell Robinson. Josh Hart came off the bench and they were able to come from 20 points down in the second to win this game. And now we have a series. Now can they make it 2? 2 going back to MSG. That's what they hope. That's what the goal is on Tuesday. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite unc, Shannon Sharp, my partner and co host, Liberty City's own bingo, ring of fame honoree, Pro Bowler all pro. He's been outside lately. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. And we want to thank our special guest to talk basketball, his former team, a six time NBA all star, a three time all NBA selection from Eau Claire High School in Columbia South, Carol Jermaine o' Neal. We want to thank J. O for joining us. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Guys, wherever you get your podcast from, even. What's up?

[Gerald]

That's my. That's my. That's my oldest.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay. What up, bro? I'm good, man. I'm good. Make sure you subscribe. Hit that subscribe button. Go get on your phone and hit the subscribe button. Tonight, Cap. Every product, every subscriber counts. Thank you, guys. We're not where we are without you. I understand that. I think everybody at Nightcap, especially Ocho and I, we understand the success that we've, that we've enjoyed was because of you, because of your eyes, because of your ears, because of word of mouth. And you've helped us grow exponentially and we cannot thank you enough. So thank you for your support and your continued support. Make sure you check out Shave by La Portier. We do have it in stock now. If you can't find it in the city or state near you, you best believe by the end of the year we're going to be in a city or state near you. But in the meantime, if you cannot find it, order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door. It is the best tasting VSOP Cognac on the market. Don't take my word for it. Try it. You will not be disappointed. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Make sure you go follow my media company page on all of his platforms, Shay Shay Media and my clothing company 84 with 84 being spelled out, the link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone. So please grab yours while supplies last. We're back tomorrow night and we have a very special guest. Number one overall draft pick Grandmama Larry Jo. Larry Johnson joins us to help us break down the OKC Thunder and the Minnesota Timberwolves Game four. Thank you guys for joining us again. We'll see you tomorrow night. Thank you guys. The Volume you don't want vacation to.

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[Gerald]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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