Nightcap - Hour 2: Son of Falcons DC behind Draft Prank Call + Celtics & Knicks take 3-1 leads in Playoffs

Summary

Club Shay Shay Podcast Summary: "Nightcap - Hour 2: Son of Falcons DC behind Draft Prank Call + Celtics & Knicks take 3-1 leads in Playoffs"

Release Date: April 28, 2025

Hosts: Gary Payton, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and an Unnamed Sports Analyst

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1. NBA Playoffs Update: Celtics and Knicks Surge Ahead

The episode kicks off with an intense discussion about the NBA playoffs, focusing on the Boston Celtics and New York Knicks securing strong leads in their respective first-round series.

• Celtics vs. Orlando Magic
  Chad Ochocinco Johnson highlights the Celtics' dominant performance with key players like Jayson Tatum (37 points, 14 rebounds) and Jaylen Brown (21 points, 11 rebounds) leading the charge.

  "JT had it going tonight, perfect from the free throw line. JB was 9 of 10 from the free throw line." ([07:49])

• Knicks vs. Detroit Pistons
  The conversation shifts to the Knicks overcoming the Pistons with a 3-1 series lead, despite controversial referee decisions affecting the Pistons' chances.

  "I hate losing a game on a call from a referee like that. They gotta be more consistent." ([04:14])

2. Frustration with Referees and Game Integrity

Gary Payton and Chad express their frustrations regarding questionable referee calls that influenced game outcomes, emphasizing the need for improved officiating and more challenge opportunities for coaches.

• Gary Payton's Take

  "I hate this replay crap and all that, man. The NBA has to get better on these games." ([03:27])

• Chad Ochocinco Johnson's Perspective

  "Don't tip after the game over. Cause you lost the game for me." ([03:27])

3. The Prank Call Incident: Jack Ulbricht and Shador Sanders

A significant portion of the podcast delves into the controversy surrounding Jack Ulbricht, son of Falcons Defensive Coordinator Jeff Ulbricht, who made a prank call to Shador Sanders during the NFL Draft.

• Incident Breakdown
  Chad Ochocinco Johnson explains how Jack unintentionally obtained Shador Sanders' draft contact number and made the prank call, leading to disciplinary actions from the Atlanta Falcons.

  "I made a tremendous mistake, Shador. What I did was completely inexcusable, embarrassing, and shameful." ([25:33])

• Discussion on Punishments
  The hosts debate appropriate repercussions, suggesting that the Falcons might hold Jeff Ulbricht accountable rather than Jack directly.

  "They might punish the dad." ([27:17])

• Impact of Social Media
  Gary and Chad discuss how social media amplifies such incidents, making mistakes go viral and affecting players' reputations.

  "That's why social media is messing us up about life and everything about this crazy stuff." ([29:33])

4. Legacy and Jersey Numbers: Abdul Carter and LT

The conversation transitions to the significance of jersey numbers in sports legacies, particularly focusing on Abdul Carter and the legendary Lt.

• Abdul Carter's Ambition
  Unnamed Sports Analyst shares Abdul Carter's confidence in wearing the number 56, acknowledging the legacy of Lt and striving to honor it.

  "The confidence I feel, the belief. I feel I can wear that 56 and do it justice." ([48:14])

• Respecting Legends
  Gary Payton emphasizes the unmatched legacy of Lt, urging Abdul to focus on building his own legacy rather than comparing himself.

  "You can't do it on a legendary number, man. Don't even mess with that." ([55:08])

5. Comparing Eras: Defense in the NFL and NBA

The hosts compare the defensive play styles across different eras in both the NFL and NBA, highlighting how game dynamics have evolved.

• Gary Payton on Defensive Evolution

  "When LT played, they didn't throw the football like they throw it now. They put a special offense in just to deal with LT." ([57:20])

• Chad Ochocinco Johnson on Modern Players
  The discussion includes comparisons between legendary defensive players and current stars like Aaron Donald and J.J. Watt.

  "He was the greatest defensive player ever in the NFL." ([47:51])

6. Closing Remarks and Future Episodes

The episode wraps up with the hosts thanking their guests and listeners, promoting upcoming events and merchandise, and teasing future discussions on basketball and football topics.

"Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know me, I'm your favorite uncle." ([68:05])

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Notable Quotes

• Gary Payton

  "I hate this replay crap and all that, man. The NBA has to get better on these games." ([03:27])
  "You can't do it on a legendary number, man. Don't even mess with that." ([55:08])

• Chad Ochocinco Johnson

  "Don't tip after the game over. Cause you lost the game for me." ([03:27])
  "I made a tremendous mistake, Shador. What I did was completely inexcusable, embarrassing, and shameful." ([25:33])

• Unnamed Sports Analyst

  "The confidence I feel, the belief. I feel I can wear that 56 and do it justice." ([48:14])
  "I think he [Shador] is going to be the their quarterback for the next six, seven years. And he's gonna be good." ([43:26])

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Conclusion

In this episode of Club Shay Shay, hosts Gary Payton and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson engage in a lively discussion covering pivotal NBA playoff performances, frustrations with officiating, the fallout from a controversial prank call during the NFL Draft, and the importance of legacy and jersey numbers in sports. They also touch upon the evolving nature of defense in both the NFL and NBA, offering insights and perspectives that blend past experiences with current events. The episode provides a comprehensive look into the intersection of sports, media, and personal accountability, making it a must-listen for fans seeking in-depth analysis and candid conversations.

Transcript

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[Gary Payton]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The Knicks escape with a 9493 victory and the 31 lead in the best of seven. The first round series against the Pistons. The ref screwed the Pistons out of game winning free throws. Official acknowledged after the game that one huge was missed today on the final plate. With the knicks leading by one. Tim Hardaway Jr. Drew contact from Josh Hart as Hardaway went up for the potential game winning shot with 0.03 seconds. Three point attempt misfired. Even Josh Hardy met. He made contact. Jalen Brunson 32 points, 11 assists. Cat 27 points, nine rebounds. Outscored the Pistons those two 2322 in the fourth quarter. And they combined for the Knicks final seven buckets. I don't know. The official was standing right there. Gp not only did he get it with his body, he got him on his arm.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah. See, Shannon and Chad, I hate this because you can't call that. No, no, no, no.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Call it after the game. Call the door.

[Gary Payton]

I hate when they go and they look at it and they say we made a mistake. Why telling me that, right? I lost the game. You should have. You should have been.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Too many reports.

[Gary Payton]

That's why I hate this replay crap and all that, man. And these challenges. Because y'all understand, y'all missed the play and you missed the call. So don't tip after the game over. Cause you lost the game for me. If you make this call, I go and make two free throws and we win the game. You feel me? That's why I don't like this basketball, man. Y'all gotta make. The NBA has to get better on these games, man. They got to. They gotta give these coaches and everybody more challenges. You gotta get more challenges because you're losing games. And you're gonna tell me now. I'm sorry. You sorry? What? I'm down 3 1. Dude, I'm sorry. Why are you talking about.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And it's supposed to be 2, 2, 2.

[Gary Payton]

And it's a change the whole, the, the, the, the. The dynamics of this whole game and all. Everything. So now you talking about. Now I gotta go home and say, oh, I'm sorry. And then you gonna admit to me after the game. They have to change this, man. They gotta change this game, man. And they say, man, when you want a challenge, challenge it. You feel me? And that's just the way it gotta be. And you just tell me I missed it. Oh, man. Now what I want to do is say, okay, I'm sorry. Okay, you cool? Okay, man, you missed it. No, you crazy. You lost me the game. And that's what it is. So they gotta be more Consistent. They gotta be more there. And the NBA gotta figure it out, man. You cannot keep missing calls and letting these referees dictate these games because these young fellas is playing hard. And that Detroit team didn't deserve that. They didn't deserve it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right, Cat, man, Cat down the stretch. That shot that Cat hit from the baseline falling out of final gp. That might have been Cat's best shot of his career.

[Gary Payton]

Unreal. It reminds you of Kawhi Leonard at Toronto. Make that win the basketball game, you know what I'm saying? He made a hell of a shot, man. And it is what it is. He's switched it. These type of players who make shots like that and ready for it. It is what it is, man. But I just say I hate losing a game on a call from a referee like that. I just don't like that. I don't like that. Let me clear.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't either. Don't tell me about it. Hey, let. Let everybody. Let. Let social media let everybody say they missed that call. But don't you come out with that report. Hey, that wasn't even too important. That was the pool reporter.

[Gary Payton]

I hate that. See? And then you come back after the game and say, I missed you, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You.

[Gary Payton]

You gonna make me mad. More mad. You know what I'm saying? You make me more mad. You know what I'm saying? I'm mad cause I lost, but I know I got fouled. And then you gonna tell me I missed it. Come on and come.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. It reminds me of that. That perfect game that Jim Joyce blew. Anders Galarraga had a perfect game. He beat the guy to the bag. Ocho. Jim Joyce called him safe, had him out and.

[Gary Payton]

Cried, hey.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And he was like, hey, I caused this kid a perfect game. That's 80 million. Same thing in 85 World Series. St. Louis Cardinals. I think Donnie Durkin was the official. He blew the call, Roy's goal, scored and win the World Series. I mean, you know you hate things like that. And you're like, well, Shannon, they are human and they are. They are. But boy, as the team that's on the losing side of that. Matt. Damn that. I ain't trying to hear that.

[Gary Payton]

I don't want it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I ain't trying to hear none of that. But you got to give it.

[Gary Payton]

Look.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Jalen Brunson was clutch performer of the year. You see why? You see why he deserved that award? Cat, this is what I'm talking about. We get frustrated with Cat because we see a guy 7 foot tall with so much Excuse me. With so much ability and sometimes he settles GP he wants to hang around the 3 cat. Get your 7 foot big butt down on that block and post up and shoot that turnaround or put the ball on the floor. Cause you have that accountability. And finish at the rim.

[Gary Payton]

And see Chad is Jeff. That's why I'm so biased, man. Because my era was our weapon was the big man. Put your big butt down there and make the dude stand you, man, you feel if they W ticket, we do what we want to and look how effective he is when he down there. Stop being a stretch and shooting all these threes, man. I hate this game because when you running three on one and everybody running to the the three point, running to the three point line and they miss it. Well, we can make a difference if we get a bucket and put pressure on these dudes, man. And that's what I like about him. He's starting to now say, forget it, let me go get a bucket and put pressure on these dudes and make them be accountable and say, yo, you want to come down here and score again? Because if you don't, I'm gonna go back down here and score a bucket and get me two. It don't matter, it ain't number one point, two or three. Get it, go get it. Cause if I go down the floor five times and I score two buckets and they shoot five threes and miss one a month pin nothing, it's gonna be hard for you to come back. And I'm playing D, so that's what I don't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But they don't play D no more. They don't play D no more.

[Gary Payton]

GP that's why I don't like going these games. But I hate that, man. Cause I be like, I'm gonna get a steal, I'm gonna play D, I'm gonna do this. And it's crazy to me that y'all don't want to play defense. It's great.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nah, they know ain't nobody. I mean, back then you had guys known for defense. Now everybody tried to put it in the bucket. Everybody tried to get max contract by scoring a bunch of points. And I get it. I ain't mad at him because I see what he salaries and GP guys making 40, 50, 60. Joker about to sign a contract. Three years, 218, 219 million.

[Gary Payton]

You're gonna get 222.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

222, okay, 70 million. 70 million a year. He just got two year deal for 22, for 120.

[Gary Payton]

That's $60 million a year. So, you know, I get it. We set the foundation for them to get all this bread. It is what it is. We think about it. Be like, mama, why you didn't have me late on, you know what I'm saying?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I tell my mama that all the.

[Gary Payton]

Time, but he's good for it, man. But I'm just saying, I see dudes making 18, 19 million dollars and only average six points or four points a game. And they ain't never made a all league allstar or nothing. You know what I'm saying? But we in that era. We in that era. But go and do something where you get in the guest. Show me that you can play. You know what I'm saying? Don't just get this money, man. Just show me play. Give me something that you, that you showing me play. You know what I'm saying? Don't just be like, oh, I make this money and it's good. Show me that you can play some time.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The Boston Celtics go up 31 with a 10798 victory over the Orlando Magic. Jayson Tatum was sensational. 37 points, 14 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals. Jaylen Brown chipped in with 21 points, 11 rebounds. Derrick White had 18 7. Kristaff Brzingas had 19 points, 5 rebounds. Played, played really well. Bankero had 31. Franz Wagner had 24. Corey Joseph had 12. But it wasn't nearly enough. It was too much JT. It was too much JB. And like you said the others, when you get a pozingas giving you 19, when you get a Derrick White giving you. Giving you 18, your big guns go off. And then you get your role players doing what exactly what they're supposed to do. It makes it very, very difficult for you to beat this team. And JT had it going tonight, perfect from the free throw line. JB was 9 of 10 from the free throw line. Now, Tatum wasn't the most efficient. He's only 10 or 25. Yeah. But he was putting pressure on him by getting to the free throw line. They was 30 or 32 from the free throw line. Orlando was 14 to 20. Ocho. Yeah, you watched it. You watched the Celtics and the only game they lost, I think it was the game that JT didn't play.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Didn't play.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He hurt his wrist, I think, at the first game. He didn't play and he didn't play. But if you look at them now, they seem to have it rolling. You think the Celtics can come out of the East?

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

I mean, obviously you know, they can. I mean, the Celtics are one of the fortunate teams outside. Outside of the East.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

How are they going to come out of the East?

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Hey, they're absolutely coming out these. And I said, if it wasn't him, it was going to be my heat. But we, we know how that went. But the bench, we already knew what they could do.

[Gary Payton]

We.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

We already know White, Tatum and Porzingas. It's the bench, the contribution that they're getting from the bench that's helping also along the way. So, I mean, it's, it's. It's almost unfair in a sense, because I see. I see not only them coming out the east, the East, I see them winning again because the, because of the depth, because of what they have. And it's almost unfair to a sense, which is why yesterday when we had Antoine on the show, we talk about they have new ownership in Boston, but why would you want to break up something like that? And you know you're going to win consistently year in and year out.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Cause I still want to make. Yeah, I want to win championships and make money. I mean, think about it. You got two guys that's making 300 million, you got another two guys that make over 100 million, and you got another guy that's making 40 million. That's a lot of money, Ocho, even.

[Gary Payton]

For a champion O. That's almost a billion dollars. So what you doing is, Ocho, that team Boston is very, very talented. If Ravine is in, all of them in white, and then they didn't even have solid day, they didn't have Holiday, so they're very talented. Even they got the kid off the bench coming. Peyton, who's pretty good, Payton, pretty good. You know what I'm saying? So they're very, very talented, you know what I'm saying? So if they can stay together and that's what you want, that's what we talked about. You have to have the role players that can do it. And then you aim too right with Brown and Tatum. If they play well and then you get some support, it's going to be good. I think Cleveland can match them. I really do. I think Cleveland can match them. They went to two with each other, and if Cleveland plays the way they supposed to play and they get it from Mobley and all them guys. And then Garland comes in. Garland and Mitchell, they're back, everybody, Mitchell gonna be him. If they play and match them, they got enough talent to match with him. You know what I'm saying? But then when you come, if they even if they make it out of the east this year, it's not gonna be easy. You're not playing Dallas. You're playing a full strong team from the Wets. Like even a Clipper team will match up with them really well, you know what I'm saying? You got teams that can match up with them as talent wise, what to give them something. Dallas didn't have nothing for him last year. Dallas just surprised he got into that because of what everybody got hurt, you know what I'm saying? In the west and all the top teams got hurt. Even Denver will match up with them very well, you know, with Joker and all of them. So it'll be a good, it'll be a better challenge this year. But I think Boston and Cleveland is going to make it hard. Nobody else can compete with them in the east. It's going to be Boston, Boston or Cleveland. And then in the west is wide open. Whoever playing well in the in the west going to win, you know what I'm saying? It's a lot of good teams in the west coast that's really, really good, you know what I'm saying? So it'll be interesting. But I wouldn't break up my Boston team. I'm guarantee that. See, I don't care. I'll run it out. I'll be like Bill Russell and all them koozie, man, I'm a winch girl. I don't care, man. I don't give a shit. I'm gonna put a million and a half, you know, let me just win.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey. But back then that owner was paying Bill Russell about his pocket.

[Gary Payton]

He just spent 6 billion, you know what's his name, what was the coach, A Red Arback was doing his thing. He was running everything. He didn't care about none of that. And they was playing for penny. Said they was only playing for like 15,000, 50,000, you know what I'm saying? So you had that and they was winning championships. So you gotta stay that way and stay a course, you know. And then yeah, folks just got sold for $6.2 billion exactly.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So I ain't trying, I ain't trying to buy, I ain't spending 6 billion. And then he put got another billion, damn near salary.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah, you got a billion since.6 billion. So that owner coming up in there with a seven billion dollar debt already, you understand? So they got money, you know what I'm saying? So they gonna keep it apart, man, I think they not gonna break that up. Cause they got to get through. Especially if they Went two in a row. They ain't breaking that up. They just gonna add pieces and get better.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

With 37 points in this game, Jayson Tatum ties Charles Barkley and Tim Duncan with 11 career 35 point playoff games. John Morant says he had Thunder figured out and Memphis would have tied the series if he didn't get hurt. You remember two couple of years ago he said he was fine in the West. They haven't won another. They haven't won a series since he said that. Now do I believe they would have. They would have won that game that he got hurt. They were up 27 playing well. I don't believe they win that game. Yeah, but I don't believe they winning the series.

[Gary Payton]

They're not gonna win the series against. Against that talented. Okay, ct, I don't care. That team is too talented. They too talented. They got. And we look at it, you guys, they got 10, 11 guys that's talented, talented come off there and get it. You know what I'm saying? And Memphis don't have that type of top A team. They don't have that type of team. I get it. Morant, before he did all the things that he did and got in trouble, was probably the best basketball player in the NBA. And it's a bit wow. But they gotta get somebody that's gonna help him more than Jackson and bang. You know what I'm saying? To compete with these dudes in the West. I get it. I like Morant's mentality. You shouldn't say that. You shouldn't say, if I'm on the floor, I'm a weak. But they wasn't equal to this OKC team. They didn't lose four games for nothing. You know what I'm saying? You didn't lose a game. But you gotta understand, Moran played to it. You feel what I'm saying? So I don't believe in that. I. I just think they weren't as talented as okc. They wasn't?

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

No, not at all. I mean, listen and I'm. Listen and ngp. I'm just trying to throw little nuggets out there, you know, Y'all really not listening to me. I'm not saying I'm not woes, I'm not shams. But what I told y'all early in the show, when it does happen, I just want y'all to be like, you know what, Ocho? Well, you was right. You was right.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

He coming to Miami and Yannis coming to Miami too. I'm telling you, I sat down and I talked with these folk, you know, they confided me when it comes to situations like this, even though I didn't play, you know, at an NBA level. But they understand I know the game and I know the players, and they know I can take care of people when they come to Miami and make sure I keep them aligned and focused on what they need to do when they here.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah, I'm with you, baby. I'm with you, man. Man, you get them, too. I. I'mma. You know, I'mma come to Miami and. And holl at you. A lot of times, man. If you get to them with y'all, man, you gonna be something else.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. You'll see. You'll see. I listen. I lie for you before I lie to you, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Jalen Green spoke about the exchange between him and Draymond at the end of the game, when Draymond told Jalen Green, go paint your nails. Jalen said, just talking. He can't really do much anything else, so talking is his only way. Hey, gp did y'all. Hey, did.

[Gary Payton]

Hi.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because now, guy. I mean, now they throw a check on you. You guys used to be at all each other. Face, spit, flight everywhere. Now you say one thing. Oh, yeah. You look at the guy funny.

[Gary Payton]

This is. This is weak basketball, man. Let these dudes play, man. Let them talk. Crazy, man. I'm with it. I was right there when I seen all of that and all that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, these dudes ain't some. Really. Don't tell y'all. Shannon, Chad, get outside, man. Go outside to the restaurant and see them one on one. There they go. Get out of here, man. That ain't happening. You know what I'm saying? Y'all can talk all that, man, and be whatever. Just. Just prove it on the basketball court to me. Put it on the floor. You. You won't. Don't get mad at what somebody else say. You know what I'm saying?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Stop him from doing it, and he won't say it no more.

[Gary Payton]

That's what I did. That's why I talk crack trash. I can back it up if you say something to me. I'mma give you 40, you know what I'm saying? I'm G. Give you 40, 10, 8, whatever. And then I'm gonna be like, yeah, we won. What's happening? Stop all that. Wa, wa, wa, man. Cause ain't none of them tough like that. Them dudes ain't no gangsters, man. Ain't nobody shot no pistols and did all that day in their life, man. Them dudes ain't even on that. You know what I'm saying? Stop being like you, you, you, you really bad. You ain't really bad, man. Cause if we get to one on one somewhere, man, we knuckle up, them dudes ain't gonna be like that. Ain't gonna be like that, man. So, man, just go on and prove it on the flow, man, and gone about your business, you know what I'm saying? It is what it is, you know, and it, it was legit. It wasn't like if somebody say, man, I was with your wife last night. Yeah, I was with yours last night. To me, that's why I wasn't home. You feel what I'm saying? I ain't tripping. Yeah, you was with her. Go be with her. You feel what I'm saying? Cause I was with. You know why? You was thinking about me. You feel what I'm saying? So I'm with it, man. I ain't on that, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All that say he with the end.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah, man, I ain't with that, man. Go ahead and prove it on the basketball court, man. And that's what I'm talking about.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Gary Payton]

To prove it tomorrow, if you mad. Yeah, go get it. Go get it. You feel me? So that's all I gotta say about that. Go get it.

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The prank the culprit behind the prank called to Shador Sanders has been revealed as Jack Ulbricht, son of Falcons D.C. first the Falcons put out a statement this morning saying earlier in the week Jack Ulbricht, the 21 year old son of defensive coordinator Jeff Ulbricht, unintentionally came across the draft contact phone number for Shador Sanders off an output iPad while visiting his parents home and wrote the number down and later conducted and later conduct a prank call. Jeff Ulbricht was unaware of the data exposure at any facet of the prank and was made aware of of the above only after the fact. Atlanta Falcons do not condone this behavior and send our sincere apologies to Shadow Sanders and his family who we've been in contact with to apologize to as well as facilitate an apology directly from Jack to the Sanders family. We have also been in contact with the NFL and will continue to cooperate fully with any inquiries we may receive from the NFL League office. We are thoroughly reviewing all protocols and updating if necessary to help prevent an incident like this from happening again. Falcon Falcons Jack posted an apology on Friday night. I made a tremendous mistake, Shador. What I did was completely inexcusable, embarrassing and shameful. I'm so sorry I took away from your moment. It was selfish and childish. I could never imagine getting ready to celebrate one of the greatest moments of your life and I made a terrible mistake and I messed with that moment. Thank you for accepting my call earlier today. I hope you can find it in your hearts to forgive me at Shador Sanders Ocho, is this apology enough or should the Falcons punish. Well, I don't know who. I don't know how they can punish the son. They might punish the dad.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And they get dogged, the draft picks or if you were to punish the Falcons, how do you punish them? And should. Should they be punished first? And if you are going to punish them, what should the punishment be?

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

I mean, listen, I say if you're gonna. If you're gonna punish him to some extent, I would say it would have to come from the dad. Obviously it was. It was the son that made the call. Obviously dad. I'm not sure how the son got the number. Who knows? But the punishment should come with a dad, maybe a fine of some sort. I think draft picks would be a little bit too much because the team itself as a whole shouldn't have to have to suffer for what the son decided to do. Outside of that, the apology, I mean, at that moment, at that point seems sincere. It seems sincere, especially being that it was written from someone else and it's.

[Gary Payton]

It.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

No, it's just a bunch of, you know. What. Did he really mean it?

[Gary Payton]

No.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

The fact that he got caught is the only reason he's apologizing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

How you. Oh, you came and you let him record you.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

They not sorry. They know what they were doing. They young. It was a. It was a prank. We're in an era of pranks and like you say, everybody.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Everybody playing too much. Ojo. They play too much.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Listen, they thought it was a funny moment. They thought it was a funny moment when it really wasn't. It really wasn't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Before you go, gp Other players also reportedly prank had prank calls. Tyler Warren had a prank call. There were several other players. And you see that. Like you said, oo. We're in that era. Everything is about a prank. Everybody want to do a pull Something.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

A viral man punch.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Somebody want to do something, Dump something on the head. Everybody like GP like you've been saying the whole night, Everybody don't play how you play.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Now, when somebody fire you up, that will he have to do that? Well, you didn't have to do that. Leave people alone.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Especially people you don't have a relationship with. You going out there some in some mall, you walking down the street, you don't know that people from that person from a hill of beans.

[Gary Payton]

And that's what this social media has messed us up about life and everything about this crazy stuff. That little kid knew what he was doing because he went in his dad's phone and got that phone number. He did that on purpose. So I hate saying punish your dad because your dad is trusting in you as my son, and I'm trusting you that you won't go do stuff. That's just like almost stealing, though, y'all. That's almost like stealing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Gary Payton]

It's almost like you stealing from your peoples. And your dad has to take the blame for what you have done, because I can't punish you because you not in Atlantic Atlanta Falcons organization. So I had to punish your daddy because of the situation, because it hurts that person who you did it to. And these young kids today, man, and I tell you, this generation is different. These kids are different. They think that's funny, and they think that's something they do and somebody else's expense. They think this is funny. And then when you get caught, like Chad said, that boy ain't sorry. Cause if he was sorry, he would have said he did it from day one. And he would have been like, man, I did it. But he got caught. And when he got caught, he had to say the right thing to make his daddy be okay and look a little bit better. Yeah.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

For the five.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You look at it. Here's the thing. Ocho.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Shador Sanders number, phone number. Wasn't the only one in there, but he was the one that was having the precipitous fall. So now, which prank is going to generate the most buzz? Joy. Shador is on eggshells. He's on pins and needle, waiting to have an NFL team call him and say, hey, we're going to select you in the fourth round. We're going to select you in the fifth round. So check this out. He got the number from an iPad that he shouldn't have been using. He waited days because it ain't just happened. And then he made the prank call. He filmed himself.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

While making the prank calls, waited days to make the apology.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

He wanted to.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Everything ain't meant to be. Everything ain't mentioned, like you said. In this day and age, Ocho, Yeah. Everything is about clicks like mentioned and a viral moment.

[Gary Payton]

That's what it's all about, man. That's why. Listen, that's why I like my era. We didn't have all that crap.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, man.

[Gary Payton]

Didn't play like that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All the time. I say I came up. I don't remember me and playing no practical jokes on, boy. You. Hey, you better scrap it up, because.

[Gary Payton]

Next time we see you, we're gonna knock you out. You feel what I'm saying? It ain't gonna be about, man. Okay, man, I'm gonna take this. This court date, man. No, man, I'm gonna knock you smooth out. Cause we ain't talking about all that. Cause you. You messing with my livelihood about all this. This social media, all that crap, man. We ain't doing that. You know what I'm saying?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I'm glad I didn't come up in that area. I'm glad. I'm glad. Now, look, I would have loved to made the money that these cats make. But, but, but GP I wouldn't want to be in this era. It's too much. I. I wouldn't want to be in the social media era. I doubt it.

[Gary Payton]

I'mma tell y'all I don't want to be in this social media area because I. Shoot, I would have been divorced way earlier than what I did and all. I was all bad, man. I would have been, man. I would have been viral all the time. You know what I'm saying? Man, every day you walk out, man, you going somewhere, man. Is a camera, man. All man is looking at, man. Man, I ain't on that, man. What is a like to me? I don't care about no likes, man. I'm already popular, you know what I'm saying? I don't care if you give me a million likes. A million people already looking at me. So what? I don't care about all that, man. You messing up my life, man. And I'm not dealing with that, though. It's crazy to me that you can sit on the phone and watch people do what they do and they silly. You just told me. And I ain't. I ain't surprised. That boy got in that iPad and then filmed himself doing it. Stupid. Is that how you think that we ain't gonna figure that out? Yeah, how you think we ain't gonna get that that's how dudes get caught killing people, learning whatever they doing. They. Man, they go back to your phone doing foolishness. Go back to your phone and you got the pistol, showing it and doing this and that. That's how they catch you. You're silly. So that's why I tell a lot of kids that I talk to now. And social media, killing y'all, man, it's hurting y'all. It's hurting your life, man, because all y'all think about is likes and who gonna like you on there. That's how people get robbed and do stuff. You build a thing. Talking about, I'm here, I'm there, and then all of a sudden, they look in the back. Oh, man, he gets Centennial Bar. Let me ride up on him right now. Let me ride up on that. That's crazy to me, man, that you do that. That's just silly. That's just silly stuff to me. Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Shador pinned his first both on NFL X and IG accounts. If you go to both at NFL and Brown's official websites, click shop. Who's the first Cleveland Brown jersey you can pre order? Shador. Many NFL fans on Tik Tok have pledged to purchase Shador's jersey and merchandise exclusively from his official website rather than from the NFL shop to support him after being drafted in the fifth round. They believe the league, blackball, Shador, Shador, could potentially make millions of dollars from this trend. And you'll probably see other players, you know, oh, United A. Yeah, probably. If you do what you know, Ocho. Yeah, you'd have had your little cap. You had the OO gear going, and that's.

[Gary Payton]

And that's good. And. And. And look at. Look. Look, both of y'all. Yo, his daddy. Daddy gonna make that up. You know what I'm saying? Dion Dick did that, man. And that's what they gonna do. They gonna just show up, everybody, what they did to him. You. Y'all know that boy shouldn't have got drafted in no fifth round. No, you know what it was you both from projected to be number nine, 145. That's crazy.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Yeah.

[Gary Payton]

And then the teams that was supposed to draft you pass you. And then the team who drafted him had it at the 33rd pick in the second round, and they didn't think, you see, it's got to be a black ball thing. We ain't gonna never know why. What happened.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No.

[Gary Payton]

Or why it happened. But it happened. But to me, yeah, I just tell my little, young, young nephew, man, go out there and kill in the winter job. Get down with him, man. Be one of them special ones like Marino, like Brett Favre, man. Do that, man. It got drafted like that and then become a Hall of Famer and become one of them dudes. That's all you got to do, man. Forget it. And then make your bread, man, the way you is. Because he popular, man. This social media got him popular. He gonna be popular no matter what. He gonna be popular. Yeah. So just do it.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

I think. I think it's a blessing in disguise. Obviously, going in the fifth round and the picky win is not the blessing I'm talking about. I'm just saying the situation he's going to. Flacco is just there on the one year deal. DeSean Watson's not going to be able to play this year. So I'm assuming the way I'm thinking and thinking it's going to play out, I think he will be able to be beat out. Kenny Pickett and Dylan Gabriel. And I think he's going to get his shot. He gonna get his shot to play. I'm not sure if it's this year, maybe it's next year, but at some point he gonna get his shot. And I think it's gonna be magical for him and seeing it as a blessing in disguise. And finally, if not Ocho, you know why?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Because look how much pressure they put on Bronny James. Bronnie James. You'd have thought, brother, first pick in the draft. The way they talk about him. And to my, oh, he this. He was the. He was the 55th pick. They ain't got but five picks left. GP they make it seem like they took the man. But because of that last name, you got to understand, if his name was Shadur Jones, maybe you're right.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But we know who his dad is and we know what that dad. That aura around his dad.

[Gary Payton]

I can't agree with you. I gotta agree with Chad on this one, because that's a little bit of different talent. My little nephew Ronnie wasn't really, really ready for that situation, for that athletic ability. Right. He had to grow into that. He forgot he missed a whole college.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Gary Payton]

With the whole thing, you know, what happened or whatever. But Shakur is ready. He. He got the talent to do that right now. And if you think that Ronnie right now, Ronnie killing the G League, he had to get himself into that situation, do it right. Ronnie gonna be good in two, three years. I think Shador is going to be ready. Now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I was saying because of the Names. What I was just saying because of the names and the expectations. Even though he's a fifth round pick and oh, you know, we don't have no expectations for no fifth round pick.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Right, right, right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But you do because your last name is just like we got expectations now for the 50 pick. It's just like Jokic when Jokic got drafted. Ain't no if they're lying. If they told they, well, I knew Joki was going to be this. If you knew he was going to be this, you took it with the number one overall pick.

[Gary Payton]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So you a d lie saying you knew Nikola Jokic was going to turn out to be what he was going to be because he was a second round pick. I think he was like 40 something. It's the same thing.

[Gary Payton]

You.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So you put pressure, you say it should do it, should do it, should do it. Here's a fifth round pick. You got to bypass that and say, well, look at his last name. I thought y'all said he was all this. Yeah, oh, if he all that he should be able to do like his dad.

[Gary Payton]

We don't have all them picks now. We, we went back to our four fourth round, five round, two like the NFL. Then he got picked like that. Then it's a little different. He only got six picks. So he picked. Because the simple fact is is the Lakers had that pick and it wasn't for LeBron being on the Lakers and they making that pick, he probably wouldn't have got drafted, which wouldn't have been no problem, you know what I'm saying? But we only got two Raptors, you know what I'm saying?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They got and half of the two and half the cigarette GP don't even go.

[Gary Payton]

See what I'm saying? So it's a little different of what we saying, you know what I'm saying? We don't know if he would have got drafted if the Lakers didn't have that 55th pick. You feel what I'm saying?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Gary Payton]

But they did pick him, which was a blessing because he is talented. He is very, very talented and you got to give him a chance. Football players got seven rounds. They gotta, they gonna do that, they gonna do that. So we grab. We happy that they do got these type of rounds. But if basketball would have had five or six, seven rounds and he got drafted in the fifth or sixth round, we wouldn't be expecting to be nothing. What you said, he might not even make the team.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But here's the thing, GP Once you start getting Ocho, you could, you don't know anything about this. Cause you're a second rounder, you start getting fifth, sixth, fifth and sixth. Seventh round, you can't buy it. We need. Hey, Ojo. Hey, we can't. Hey, we need people.

[Gary Payton]

Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We just need enough to fill the roster. Yeah, it ain't no guarantee when you start getting them lay rounds.

[Gary Payton]

Hell, y'all know y'all first three rounds was almost like first round picks with us.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Yeah, basically.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah. You want in the NFL the first three rounds, you. You start. You starting in the NFL. You feel what I'm saying? You basically gonna start in the field if you get paid, you picked in the first three rounds. You know what I'm saying? In basketball, if you pick 50, 50, 60, you in a G League, 10 day contract or whatever, you going, yeah, two way. You're a two way man. We gonna give you a deal. Yeah. And. And you gotta look at Bronnie. He got a heck of a deal.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, he got the money guaranteed. But he's not the first. But he's not the first second rounder to get money guaranteed, though.

[Gary Payton]

GP that's right. Because people believe in other things. But then you think about it like this, Shannon, what if I don't pick you and then pick you up in the free age? And she'll give you some guaranteed money? That's all. Nothing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, I want the guaranteed money right here. You won't go pick me up and give me that kind of guaranteed money. So I go ahead and take this right here.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

You heard me?

[Gary Payton]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What you're saying with.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Yo, you're not. I don't think you're seeing it from. You're not seeing it from the same lens I'm seeing it at. I'm looking at the situation in its totality. Right.

[Gary Payton]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

You went fifth round. Now I look at it. I look at the landscape of what they got. They got Flacco. Flacco not gonna be that long. Deshaun desean is hurt. He's coming off a Achilles injury. I see. I think no disrespect to Kenny Pickett, no disrespect to Dylan Gabriel. I see him beating them out. So I see Shador as the number two quarterback with Flacco playing now, depending on how Flacco plays throughout the entirety of the season, there's a chance that Shador, he goes to the helm. I say it's a blessing in disguise. So what happens? We think we look at the quarterback, the quarterback carousel of quarterbacks that the Browns have had throughout the Entirety of their franchise.

[Gary Payton]

40 of them.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

The last decent quarterback they had.

[Gary Payton]

40 of them. A lot of them.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

The last good one that was consistent was Bernie Kozar.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

So I'm looking. I'm looking long term.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And before that, it was Otto Graham.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah. Hey.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

I'm looking long term. This might be a blessing in disguise.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah, for sure.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Despite. So I'm just looking at it like that, and knowing him and knowing the competitor that Shador is, understanding the background and what he's come from, he's able to deal with this adversity and again, hurdle this option as well. In this situation. Listen, this situation for him. Hey, G.P. delayed, not denied.

[Gary Payton]

Chad, I'm on your side. I think Shador is going to be their quarterback for the next six, seven years. And he gonna be good.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Yeah, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say decade.

[Gary Payton]

Decade. I can say 10, too, because I think he gonna go in there and show out. Go in and show up. I think he got a chip on his shoulder now that him and his daddy done talked about it. Go in there and get out with what you gonna get out. And I'm. I'm guaranteed he gonna go in there and I. I don' man, if you fool around and be moving and doing what you do, man, and pass that thing, getting first down or whatever, them Cleveland Browns ain't been nothing in a long time anyway. If you can get some. Some people in them stands and getting people hyped. Shannon, you just said it. His jersey is the number one in Cleveland right now. Man. What y'all think? Yeah, what y'all think, man, that's gonna happen. I think he gonna show up, and that's what he should do. He should go in there and show up. Show up.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yep.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah. And it's Ocho.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Abdul Carter responded to us on Twitter this afternoon. I wore number 11. I have big shoes. I filled big shoes before. If you know football, you know who also wore the stick, which means 11.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's not about the number. It's about the player, the number. Just a legacy. It's iconic. Something cool. Look at the legacy of the stick. I came to Penn State and not only lived up to that number, but I made it even more legendary. That's how I see it. I shot. If he says no. Cool. You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But I spoke to LT on the phone yesterday. She'll do dope speaking with the goat and know for certain. 56 or not. I'll build my own legacy. I don't Allah, I think he said. I think he's saying praise to God or something like that. Right, Abdul, we said that. I mean, when we had you on the couch. We appreciate it. Again, I don't think Ocho and I and Nightcap, the family. Thank you enough for coming by.

[Gary Payton]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I appreciate. Hey, Bailey. Thank you, Drew. We appreciate that because Bailey, I played with Bailey for two years at Bmore and Drew Rosenhaus, probably his first start, he was down at the blue. At the East Blue Gray game in Montgomery, Alabama. Ocho in 1989. So.

[Gary Payton]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So it goes back. So, Abdul, I want to thank you for coming on oo. I want to thank you. Thank you, Drew Rosehouse and Bailey, Robert Bailey, for making that happen. Yes, we highlighted that number was made famous by levar Arrington, that man. Then followed by Michael Parsons. And then you took it as great as those players were wearing that number 11 at Penn State.

[Gary Payton]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You can't even fathom because let me tell you what happened. Every outside linebacker you see is because of lt. The Von Millers, the TJ Watts, the Derrick Thomases, the Cornelius Bennett, all these. The Lennon Floyd's. You name an outside edge rusher. He's the only player in NFL history to make two positions famous. He made the left tackle famous. He made the outside linebacker famous. 2. When you talk about. When we talk about who's the greatest quarterback, you get some debate. Some people say Peyton, some people say Montana, some people say Brady. Not going to fight you. That's not what we're here to do today. If we say who's the greatest wide receiver, you get. Some people say Jerry. Some people say Randy Moss. Some people say to. We say who's the best running back. Some people say Jim Brown, Some people say Walter Payton, Emmy Smith, Barry Sanders.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

When you say who is the greatest defensive NFL player ever, there's one name that comes out of everybody's mouth first. Lt. And he go, he. He goes by initials. They don't call him Lawrence, they call him lt. That's all we're saying. So I get the sticks.

[Gary Payton]

But five, six in that in, in New York it was. And that's my. And that's my og. That's my og. Every time I see him, I'm with him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I just saw him a couple of weeks ago, had that holograph.

[Gary Payton]

I'll be seeing him all the time now. You know, that's my dude. That was the greatest defensive player ever in the NFL.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And there's been some great ones. And I'm fortunate enough to play in the era I played in the air with Reggie at his prime, Bruce Smith at his prime, Ray Lewis at his prime, Dion coach prime at his prime. I'm talking about, guys, this one defensive player to your multiples. He's it. He made two positions famous.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Yeah, I think, I think it's different. I think it's different. But this is what I do like about Abdul. The confidence I feel, the belief. I feel I can wear that 56 and do it justice despite LT being the greatest defensive player of all time. That's what makes Abdul who he is right now. That's why he was drafted where he wasn't drafted when he wore the sticks when he was at Penn State. The belief, the confidence on not only that, in between them lines, the skill set to be able to pull it off. So the, the mere fact that he's coming in with that kind of. That kind of cash in attitude, I feel like I could wear that 56 in New York and do right by it. How I feel about myself and my.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Skill set, I don't even want it. As a matter of fact, I ain't even going to get a 50 number, cuz they might say I'm close to 56. I might be close to 50. I don't want it. I'm gonna get me. I'll go back and get that level. I go back and get a single number zero.

[Gary Payton]

This is what, this is what I was trying to say, man. Look here, man. I don't even want that number, man. I don't even want to live up none of that, man. Let me go on number man. You can't do it on legendary number man. Don't even mess with that. Don't even be talking about all that, man. To put yourself in that situation, man. Just go on to one level, do what you did and get out. You feel what I'm saying?

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Yeah.

[Gary Payton]

You know what I'm saying?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

If you hear the story about lt, lt LT late for the plane. LT gets out the car, throws his keys to the valet, say, I'll be back here Sunday, pick me up. And the guy brings him up on Sunday.

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Lt he driving to do your oh, he driving. Yeah, he like Damn, they got the.

[Gary Payton]

Lights on the Giants.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He's supposed to be playing.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Hey we hey on NFL Films, man. Bill Belichick told a story one day about starting the meeting. Starting the meeting and the head. I don't remember who the head coach at the time.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Parcels was the head coach. Okay.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

So Bill Bell, I think Bill must have went to Parcells and said something about, you know, lt. You know, he showed up. He showed up late to a meeting and he wasn't there. And so Parcels asked him, well, did you start the meeting on time or did you wait for him to get there? He said, no, I just waited for him to get there. Well That's a good thing because the meeting don't start until LT get there.

[Gary Payton]

I mean, what is, what are we.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

What are we talking about here like that?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm like, what it's like now, Ocho, guys, you got an opportunity to see Tom Brady. If you're old enough, you get an opportunity to see Tom Brady. If you weren't old enough, you didn't see Joe and those come from behind victories and you didn't see Elway and Marino and play. So I don't think people realize because they see T.J. watt and they see these. Eric, think about it. This man won the MVP of the league as a defensive player of the league.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Different man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He was LT. What was LT like a 10 time all pro? Like 8 or 9 first team.

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Do you know how hard it is to be that Our first team. I think Brady has three first team all pros. Those were the season that he won the mvp. Let that sink in for a second. Aaron Donald was, I think an eight time first team all probably in ten seasons. I think LT had that many, but LT had like, I think he went like six or seven in a row. Carl Banks, somebody beat him out and then he went to another two or three. How many first team all pros did LT have? Eight. First team. How many consecutive? Seven. He was eight first team. And how many second team? One or two. But I, but look, Abdul, I think, I think you're going to be a phenomenal player. Go strike. Yo. Go. Go get your. Go build your own legacy. Cause you're there. I mean, think about it. I don't care what quarter you think Joe Burrow gonna go to New England. Say, hey, let me get that 12.

[Gary Payton]

But, but, but, but Shannon, we shouldn't even be talking about this. And the Giants should be like, man, you can't have that. No, hey, listen, you can't even have.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

GP in that, in that media market. You know how New York media is. You know, they don't play you, don't play you, you. Hey, listen, you dawn that 56 and understand what comes behind that. Or even having it on. Your having it on. I don't want that.

[Gary Payton]

That man is.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Listen, I'm. You know how I am, gp. You know how I am. I don't care what nobody say, especially the media, because I'm gonna act a fool. But I, I wouldn't even. I'm just saying if, hypothetically speaking, I don't want what come behind that 56. Wearing it every Sunday at one o'clock. No sir. No sir.

[Gary Payton]

They shouldn't even think about giving it to him. This man go in here, man. This is your church, man. It's in your locker. You wear 11 this out.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They already got a hanging up Jimmy.

[Gary Payton]

Jersey up in his locker room and say, you got 11. It is what it is, man. Don't even come to my office talking about 56, you know, and then I send LT and bring him to say, boy, you know better than that. I'm the one. You know what I'm saying?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Sit down, let's talk lt. Good. Lt. Respect lt. Like, yeah, I appreciate it, but I mean, like, if you. You've been around lt, I've been around lt. I don't know how much you've been around lt, Ocho, but.

[Gary Payton]

Hey, no, hold on.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Hey, that's a good one. Me and lt, we be at Twin Peaks. I'm saying, you can see the pictures. I see him all the time. He coming off the golf course.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Coming there smoking citizen with everybody.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, yeah, yeah, that's him. That's him. That's all he want to do is golf and smoke.

[Gary Payton]

I see him in about two weeks. Anthony Anderson, golf benefit. So, yeah, I see him all the time with signing everything. That's my guy. So you know what I'm saying, man? Lt ain't worried about that. Lt was gonna tell that boy. You ain't gonna never compare to me. Everybody gotta understand. Put your name or your picture next to me. You can't. It ain't gonna never be another lt. I don't care what nobody say. Right. You understand me? Just put your picture next to us and we be good. Yeah. You know, the Giants put you in that situation.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

You know what I do like?

[Gary Payton]

Hold on. Before we go.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Before you go ahead, I just want to say this about Abdul Carter. You know what I do like, though, gp? And unk the confidence, though.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Oh, I love that.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Hey, there's something in players that don't have data that we had back in the day, gp, you talked about it earlier, you know, as far as supporting cash, you know, role players and all that young bull got for the mere fact. Even had a gall and the ball to say, I want to even wear that 56. What does that tell you? What'd that tell you about him?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Aaron Donald won three defensive players a year. So did J.J. watt.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And ain't nobody said they're better than LT. And we watching them in this era.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So now, remember now, when LT played, they didn't throw the football like they throw it now.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He didn't have the chances to go to hunt the quarterback like they do now. They put a special. Joe Gibbs put a special offense in just to deal with lt. He put the H back in. He said, I want to put somebody over here with the left tackle, right, Help him out so he can help on lt.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

He'll help him out.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's when, you know, when they put. When they design a special offense to deal with you. If you couldn't block him, you couldn't beat the Giants. Go back and look at the 80s and look at the left tackles that got drafted in the first round, right? Jim Lachey, and they go get Irv Eatman, they go get Gary Zimmerman, they get Steve Wallace. Go back and look and see what they did just to deal with this man. An 82 year old man runs a 16.0200 meters. Let's check out the video, Ojo.

[Gary Payton]

Let's go.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

What?

[Gary Payton]

Let's go, big bro.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hey, Unc, that's.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You don't want nad day of it. Who?

[Gary Payton]

You don't want nad day.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Hey, Unc, do me a favor now. Do me a favor. Like. I'm not trying to be funny even. Even at 57 right now. Me at 57 right now. I'm still faster than 87% of the NFL. And they in their 20s. Don't do me like that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That man dust you.

[Gary Payton]

What?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That man kicked duff up in your.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Face, man, please, man.

[Gary Payton]

Shannon, you saying that that O2 slow, pal.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He's not slow. That 82 year old.

[Gary Payton]

That 82 years old. If you let that man beat you, I dis on you, man. Listen or whatever you bet. Ever talk?

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Nah, listen, I. I give. I'm not sure who that's. Listen, congratulations being able to run a 16, 16 whatever in 100 meters. I give him 30 meters and come get him.

[Gary Payton]

Are you crazy?

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

I give him 30 meters to come get him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ocho.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

I'm like Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You can't get five minutes to come get it, man.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Stop, stop. No, no, don't. Don't be disrespectful.

[Gary Payton]

I got five on it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He can beat you.

[Gary Payton]

Hey, hey. I take that bet. Huh? Hey.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Oh, can you. Hey, he could beat you up.

[Gary Payton]

Oh, yeah, he got me. I can't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I ain't ran in 16 years. Yeah, he get me. Oh, absolutely.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hell, that eight 90 year old number to get me.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ain't no shame in my y'all. Hey, y'all not finna get me out there to pull my hamstring at 57 barrel a tea leave or blow something out? Nah, I'm good. I done ran my last race.

[Gary Payton]

You hit me. Hey, dudes be talking about go, right? I said, man, y'all crazy as heck. Y'all want me to be limping for the next year? I ain't dealing with nothing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't go with nobody. No.

[Gary Payton]

Hey, G.P. you don't play. No.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

You don't play no basketball. You don't hoop at all no more.

[Gary Payton]

Absolutely not.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Okay, my bad, man.

[Gary Payton]

I'm banging them if it's. If it's two seconds or three seconds, I'm coach now. I show them to them, and I might run like, two, three seconds, and I'm done. I ain't doing none of that. I ain't doing none of that.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Okay, Okay. I was gonna see if you want to play one on one, because that got me a nice little hit list.

[Gary Payton]

You gonna keep watching them. Them Googles. Google me. Google me. Google me. You ain't getting nothing from me. Google me. You understand me? Get me when it was that time. You understand me? I tell them all, hey, Shannon, I do like this, man. Look at Mike. In my day, it was 30 teams. There was 29 of them jerseys that you can go get. If you would have got one of them, I would have gave it to you every day. You understand me right now? I ain't giving you nothing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I got that for you. All right, we gonna get y'all. We gonna get out of here on this. Now it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Hey, that was a good one, bro.

[Gary Payton]

I think. Said go Google me.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

1017, boogie Luca, chalupa, bazooka wolves and five, running back. Said Lakers at eight and eight.

[Gary Payton]

How many games are gonna be that's gonna be next year, too.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

True info 73. Austin Reeves, Mac and cheese, strip tees. Lakers in Cancun.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Hey, but they. They own you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Lady Ray, Conquer Spaniel, Reva McDaniel, Jade McDaniels, Wolves and Five. LeBron legs, bionic leg, turkey legs, Wolves and fire. Man, y'all be going. Y'all laughing now, but we got something for you. King Ko 2.0, full moon afternoon. Lakers going to Cancun. Wolves is fine. Big two, big dollar 201. Demi Wolf, werewolf, Timberwolf, don't matter. Lakers and Sanford. There you go. That's what I'm talking about right there. There you go. Adam Smith messed up not resting his starters, but the Wolves are better. Team series is over. Laker can't play no, better than that. A dab. I don't think they can play any better than that, but maybe they can play defense better than that. Pat Dub. GP when you were playing in Miami, did you really scratch Pat Riley plays because you didn't feel like running them?

[Gary Payton]

I didn't. I didn't run nothing. I wasn't listening to nobody. Yeah, I was the only one. When he let me take over that basketball team and talk to all the players, I went to Shaq and I said, shaq, look here, man, we gotta. Look, we got a young Cooper down here, man. Let that boy do what he gotta do. And look what happened. We won a championship, man. We ain't listen to all that, man. We got a championship. Pat knew what he was in, what it was. He let me do what I gotta do. We won a championship. And that was all what happened.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Jason Bourne said, glove, what were you and Malone barking at each other during the 2000 playoffs? Your cuzzle from Richmond, will y'all play Utah? Would y'all play y'all Utah? Y'all play Utah that year GP Frozen. We'll come back. We're asking that. Just say Uncle Nocho and G.P. hey, G.P. i don't know how much play how. How much about players from the older NBA, is there any guards from the 80s and 90s that you played like you? Thanks. He further GP on that AOL that dial up Ouss 2004 uncan Ocho moving away from that. Is there any truth? Okay, okay. It's like you and Malone barking at each other during the 2000 playoffs. Your cousin from Richmond.

[Gary Payton]

No, we was just barking with him, man. You know, call my boy. You know what I'm saying? I ain't gonna back down from nobody. He say something crazy. I'm gonna say something back to him, man. We just doing what we do. I told him I was on buses and he said he was gonna get back at me. So I said, it is what it is. It is what it is what it is. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

GP Say, I don't know much about the players from older NBA. Is there any guards from the 80s and 90s that played like you? Thanks.

[Gary Payton]

Ain't nobody played like me. I'm only really. I'm only the original one. I was a two way guard. I was a big guard. It was all good. If we gonna say this year, during this era, I say Drew Holiday played just like me. You know what I mean? He can score it. He can play on the defensive end. He was one of them dudes. But in my era, Nobody played like me.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But you know what, GP? I will say this. In the 80s and 90s, all them guards posted your ass up, except John stopped.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah, yeah. But you know, what was the big guard? You remember? I was the one.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Gary Payton]

Started putting Mitch Richmond on me with his old, big, old strong butt. I was getting all bad during that time, and I had to start spitting off of me. Then they put pip on me, and he was too big, so. But it was good, man. We. You know, I used to like going to every arena because we had a guard that can deal with each other. You know what I'm saying? We had a guard on every team that was really, really good.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ouss2004 uncan Ocho moving away from basketball. Is there any truth to Shador answering FaceTime calls during the draft process interviews? A former GM said this today, and.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

They just mighty making up this stuff, man. Players don't even have a phone in them. In them? In them in the meetings, man. When they doing that, man? All this come.

[Gary Payton]

No, man.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

You don't even have your phone when you go in the meeting rooms.

[Gary Payton]

No.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Florence said. Do you prefer quarterback? 7 or 18? GP. Could James Harrison make Ocho tap out? I play with Celt, so I appreciate what Peyton came to do, and I appreciate. I love Peyton, but, man, I ain't taking nobody over seven.

[Gary Payton]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

James gonna make Ocho tap out.

[Gary Payton]

Who?

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

I'm be. I'm beat. James Harrison, ass man. Don't play with me, man. Play me, man. I'm. I'm. I'm on whatever.

[Gary Payton]

I'm going with Chad. You know, that's my. That's my. That's my running back. You know what I'm saying? I'm good with him. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I put my little bit of money left with a little bit of money on James Harrison.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

You see? See, you want me to pay you back, but then you do stuff like this.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You see, I gotta put a body out on your hand.

[Gary Payton]

You. You hate, boy. You hate.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, that's fine, gp. I. I'm gonna let James knock his ass out. Then I'm gonna go in his pocket to get my money, all right?

[Gary Payton]

Oh, you talking about Marcelo. Listen. Oh, the karate. Knock him out, brother. Call his box and say, I'm. God damn it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Dr. Pre L Bellamy said. Oh. You ever noticed when someone owe you money, every word they say is huh? How was your day, huh? What did you eat for lunch? Where's my money? Yep, that's Ocho.

[Gary Payton]

Oh, man. Oh, my goodness.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, he owed me 5,980American dollars.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, listen, you know, time's hard in this economy, boy. I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get it to you. I'm gonna get it to you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know me, I'm your favorite unc. My partner, my co host, Liberty City's own bingo ring of fame honoree, the Pro Bowler, that's Chad Ochociko Johnson. And joining us tonight for basketball topic. And we threw a little football in there. The Oregon State Beaver, Seattle Supersonic. Great. His jersey is retired. Hey, if Seattle come back and they get a team, and if somebody come and say, hey, G.P. let me get that number 20, what's up?

[Gary Payton]

Man, they crazy as heck, man. I ain't even putting. You ain't gonna even try to get out on my number, man, that's over. Yeah. No, you ain't getting it. No. Go somewhere else. You know what I'm saying? I ain't doing that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Supersonic great Miami. He won a chill with the dog. With. With the Heat. Won a gold medal. One of the 75th greatest players in NBA history. GP Gary Payton. Huh? Oh, you. Yeah, you in 96 and 2,096.

[Gary Payton]

Two of them things. Shannon. I got two of them medals, man. You know, I got two of them things.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Two time gold medal winner, NBA champ Gary Payton. Thanks for joining us.

[Unnamed Sports Analyst]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Gary Payton]

All right, G.P. all right, baby. The volume.

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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