Nightcap Hour 2: Tim Duncan AND Wemby on SAME PATH + Mike Brown on FACING D Fox in NBA FINALS + Sacramento Kings INFRASTRUCTURE is BAD

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 2: Tim Duncan AND Wemby on SAME PATH + Mike Brown on FACING D Fox in NBA FINALS + Sacramento Kings INFRASTRUCTURE is BAD

Date: June 1, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Co-hosts/Guests: Joe, Ocho, Uncle Ocho

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Episode Overview

This episode centers around the remarkable parallels between Tim Duncan’s and Victor Wembanyama’s early playoff runs, the dynamics of the current San Antonio Spurs core, and the significance of pecking order and “it” factor in NBA stars. The conversation moves into the NBA Finals, focusing on Mike Brown’s journey and the struggles within the Sacramento Kings organization. The discussion is laced with personal reflections on facing former teams, great NFL and WNBA defenses, and franchise leadership, all delivered in the genuine, spirited, and sometimes humorous style that defines Club Shay Shay.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Tim Duncan and Victor Wembanyama: The Same Path?

Timestamps: 04:05–12:13

• Eerie parallels: Joe and Ocho break down how 22-year-old Tim Duncan’s first playoff run mirrors Wembanyama’s:
  • Both beat the Blazers, Wolves, and Lakers before facing the Knicks in the NBA Finals.
  • Each had a defining rival (Duncan vs. Shaq; Wemby vs. Chet).
• Rapid Spurs growth:
  • “I don't think we thought San Antonio would be here this fast.” - Ocho (04:32)
  • The team’s quick ascension echoes OKC’s trajectory years ago.
• Core roster assumptions:
  • Deep concern over “keeping all those guys together” due to salary and opportunity.
  • “In about two or three years ... a lot of these key pieces [will be] gone. But the core—Wemby, Castle, Harper, Vassell, Champagnie—they’re intact for the next at least decade.” – Ocho (05:03)
• Discussion on playing time and guard depth:
  • The panel debates who will ultimately rise to stardom in San Antonio, especially the role of Dylan Harper vs. Fox.

Memorable Quote:

• “It's hard to construct a team like this ... they gonna give people hell for the next decade for sure.” – Ocho (05:03)

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2. Pecking Order and “It” Factor in NBA Stars

Timestamps: 06:31–12:13

• Debating alpha roles:
  • The group compares Spurs’ current core to the Lakers’ Kobe-Shaq era, noting how ego and hierarchy can disrupt or define success.
  • “When Kobe got there in ‘96, who thought Kobe was better than Shaq?” – Joe (09:36)
• Essential “it factor”:
  • “You have an it factor. Everybody has that is factor. Some people got it, some people don't. You can't coach it. You just—you born with it.” – Uncle Ocho (11:55)
• Analogy on personal demons:
  • Joe relates how facing challenges is like confronting one’s demons, using strong personal metaphors.

Memorable Moment:

• Extended analogy about confronting weaknesses, “If you have an addiction to alcohol ... you gotta go by every liquor store every day ... and not go in there.” – Joe (12:48)

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3. Mike Brown’s NBA Finals Story & Playing Against Former Teams

Timestamps: 19:27–24:00

• Mike Brown’s drive:
  • “They definitely want to beat me and I want to kick their ass. I love them and you could always love them before and after.” – Joe paraphrasing Mike Brown (19:27)
• Personal vendettas:
  • Ocho and Joe each recount times they played against former teams and how it motivated them to “get their get back.”
• Lessons in legacy:
  • “It was the fact that you thought you’d be better without me. So many things I do outside the football.” – Joe (22:50)

Memorable Story:

• Joe vividly recalls his 58-yard touchdown against the Broncos in front of his old teammates, showing how motivation from departures fuels on-field excellence.

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4. The Greatness of Historic Defenses

Timestamps: 24:00–29:57

• 2000 Ravens defense:
  • The panel highlights how unplayable the Ravens defense was, and how their aggression would have no place in today’s NFL.
  • “If the 2000 Ravens defense was playing today, everybody on that team would be suspended.” – Uncle Ocho (27:01)
• No weak links:
  • “Ain’t no Fish out there with them back then.” – Uncle Ocho (27:28)
• Legendary hits:
  • Joe and Ocho reminisce about the brutality and physicality of that era, especially referencing Rob Burnett’s hit on Akili Smith.

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5. Black NBA Coaches: Rarity and Rivalry

Timestamps: 30:19–34:14

• Scarcity at the top:
  • “There ain't very many of us of color that have won an NBA title... the NBA been going on for 80 years.” – Joe (30:19)
• Roll call of Black NBA championship coaches:
  • Bill Russell, Casey Jones, Lenny Wilkins, Al Attles, Doc Rivers, Joe Mazzulla, Ty Lue.
• Potential history in the making:
  • Anticipation for another Black coach to win, bringing further visibility to this underrepresented group.

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6. Sacramento Kings Infrastructure is BAD

Timestamps: 38:44–41:57

• Organizational mismanagement:
  • The hosts criticize the Kings for letting go of star talent and coaches (“They passed on Luka, traded [Tyrese] Haliburton, fired Mike Brown and moved on from [De’Aaron] Fox ... and all they got in return was a first-round exit.” – Joe, 38:44)
• Root causes:
  • “Damn infrastructure. Bad fella. Ain’t no way around it... we see that now. It’s the organization, it’s the infrastructure, bro.” – Ocho (39:00)
  • “They've been in dumps... since C-Webb and Bibby left.” – Joe (39:43)
• Current roster chaos:
  • Ongoing speculation about moving Domantas Sabonis, draft pick woes, and reflections on how poor structure at the top dooms progress.

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7. WNBA Updates: Las Vegas Aces & Historical Franchises

Timestamps: 42:25–48:22

• Las Vegas Aces:
  • Becky Hammon’s milestone 150th win as coach.
  • Asia Wilson’s dominance: 28 points, 15 rebounds, 4 blocks.
  • Jackie Young’s strong showing.
  • “When Asia's playing like this and she can't be stopped ... I don't even know if they got a girl in WNBA who matches up well with her.” – Ocho (43:16)
• Franchise value talk:
  • Discussion about Golden State Valkyries as a billion-dollar franchise, owning their own arena (“Nothing cheap now!”)
  • Nostalgia for the Houston Comets dynasty and their all-time greats like Cynthia Cooper, Swoopes, Tina Thompson.

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8. Caitlin Clark & The Fever

Timestamps: 48:40–49:42

• Sideline tension:
  • Caitlin Clark caught in a demonstrative exchange with coach Stephanie White during a blowout loss, described as typical competitive fire rather than an issue.
  • “I ain't really seen nothing…I saw Caitlin Clark be a little demonstrative, you know, outside of that.” – Uncle Ocho (49:33)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “You have an it factor. Everybody has that is factor ... You can't coach it. You just—you born with it.” – Uncle Ocho (11:55)
• “They gonna give people hell for the next decade for sure.” – Ocho (05:03)
• “If the 2000 Ravens defense was playing today, everybody on that team would be suspended.” – Uncle Ocho (27:01)
• “Damn infrastructure. Bad fella. Ain't no way around it.” – Ocho (39:00)
• “When Asia's playing like this and she can't be stopped ... I don't even know if they got a girl in WNBA who matches up well with her.” – Ocho (43:16)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Tim Duncan & Wemby Parallels: 04:05–06:46
• Spurs Core, Pecking Order, NBA Alphas Debate: 06:46–12:13
• Mike Brown & Facing Former Teams: 19:27–24:00
• 2000 Ravens Defense Greatness: 24:00–29:57
• Black NBA Coaches Conversation: 30:19–34:14
• Sacramento Kings Mismanagement: 38:44–41:57
• Aces & WNBA Franchises: 42:25–48:22
• Caitlin Clark Sideline Incident: 48:40–49:42

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Conclusion

This episode is a spirited and reflective roundtable dissecting success (and failure) in pro sports. With deep dives into Spurs history in the making, what makes stars special, and how organizational vision (or dysfunction) shapes legacies, Club Shay Shay delivers a blend of personal storytelling and sharp analysis, laced with humor and authenticity. Perfect for both hoop heads and casual fans wanting to understand the ins and outs of greatness—both on the hardwood and in the boardroom.

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[Joe]

What parallels between Tim Duncan Tim Duncan and Victor Wembanyama first playoff run are insane. 22 year old Tim Duncan first playoff run beat the Blazers, beat the Wolves, defeated the Lakers. His rival was Shaq, beat the Knicks in five games in the NBA Finals. Wemby beat the Blazers, beat the Wolves, defeated his rival Chet Faith in the Knicks in the NBA Finals.

[Ocho]

That's scary. Nah, it is for real. It is for real. Like I, I think you know, seeing San Antonio because I don't think we, we thought San Antonio would be here this fast.

[Joe]

No, we thought they're gonna probably be another year away because we talked about, yeah, we, we talked about it. I said Joe, you remember okc? They had, they got upset by the Mavericks, came back the next year.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So I was thinking, yeah, Thunder do it and then they come back next year.

[Ocho]

Absolutely. And for them to be on the biggest stage right now, man, this young team is so scary bro, that like potentially seriously fellas, I don't know if they could keep all those guys together because you know everybody going to want to get paid. But it's hard to construct a team like this to have all this talent on one team. So I figure in about two or three years, yeah, you're going to have a lot of these key pieces gone. But the core obviously Wim Yama, Castle, Harper, I guess for sale and Champenny like they, they intact for the next at least decade. I'm just being realistic, you know, they gonna give people hell for the next decade for sure.

[Joe]

I think the core three I Think their core three is Harper Castle.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

And I know they would like to keep Vel. I know they'd like to keep Champagne. I just don't think it's going to be possible. And I think they're going to probably end up moving off of Fox. Cause Harper's too good to keep on the bench. Joe. You can't keep him on the bed. Joe, you remember that, that overtime game? Game one.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

He and I love Fox. Fox has been amazing this last game. I do too. It showed you why they got him.

[Ocho]

Yeah. You just can't keep all those guys.

[Joe]

You can't.

[Ocho]

It's hard to. It's hard to have all that talent on one team. It's just too much. And I, I. You right? I'm, I'm. Look, hey, if I'm, if I'm the spurs, at some point, Dylan Harper is going to be my star.

[Uncle Ocho]

When would that be, Joe?

[Joe]

It probably gonna be next year, Ocho. Yeah, it's gonna be. It's gonna be either next year or the year after. He ain't got more than two years there. I can see a scenario happening now because he. You got a great situation, Fox. You could learn from a veteran player. Fox is still unbelievable. But this kid is. I can't, Joe. I can't keep him on the bench. I can't.

[Ocho]

I think you can play both of them if you just want me to be honest with you.

[Joe]

It's hard to play three guards, Joe. Even though you got Wimby and that kind of, that kind of hurt him a little bit. I mean. Cause you got, when you play three guards, you, you got to have a conscious, like, hey, we got to hit the glass. We got to. Yeah, we talked about this with the Dallas Wings. When they play week and they play backers and they play a fud.

[Ocho]

Yeah, it's tough.

[Joe]

It is, it is, but it's. And I think the thing, you can keep teams that come up together as long as you, they understand the pecking order. Right. I don't think there'll ever be a situation. I could be wrong. You don't know what the mindset is. Is that right? Harper Castle think there are better than Wimby. That's when you run into problems.

[Ocho]

I don't think, I don't think they gonna run in there. I think they understand the pick and order and they know by having him, he makes the game so much easier for those guys.

[Joe]

How was that picking order in la? Hey, how was that picking order in Cleveland? Hey, Joe, I'll Be using the NBA when it happened.

[Ocho]

Now. I'm listening.

[Joe]

Go ahead, fill us in. Tell Ocho and I about this. Cause you was around it at the time.

[Ocho]

What? What you talking about?

[Joe]

With the Lakers, when they won three championships in a row. How did that pecking order.

[Ocho]

I know that. Cause you got you. But that's because you got two damn alphas. You got two damn alphas.

[Joe]

How you think Castle. Do you not make Castle fake E an alpha? Did you see this, man? Dylan Harper. Yeah. Yeah. Come on. Come on, bro. Come on, bro. Come on, bro. Hey, come on, bro.

[Ocho]

And you need that. And you need that, bro. You need that from him, Unc. But what I'm saying is I think they understand how unique Wimby is, man. They ain't you. You ain't gonna. If he on your damn team. He gonna be option one

[Joe]

and you

[Ocho]

gonna be two, period, point blank.

[Joe]

Kobe said, no, I don't want to be too. No more.

[Ocho]

Well, we. We know Cole was a little different. Yeah, man.

[Joe]

Man, guess what?

[Uncle Ocho]

Was he ever too. Was Kobe ever a two?

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Not in his eyes.

[Uncle Ocho]

Not in his mind.

[Joe]

Okay, bro. When Kobe got there in 96, who thought Kobe. Who thought Kobe was better than Shaq?

[Ocho]

Nobody.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nobody.

[Ocho]

When he first got that. Nobody.

[Joe]

Been in the league four years, and he was a top 50 player all time in his fourth year. Come on, What Kobe turned himself into with that relentless drive and work ethic.

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[Joe]

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[Ocho]

No, it wasn't close.

[Uncle Ocho]

But what Kobe worked and turned himself into.

[Joe]

Yes. Yes. His mind.

[Uncle Ocho]

I ain't. I'm not no 2.

[Joe]

I'm the one you saw. Every year you saw Kobe get better. It wasn't like. Like. Oh, man. Every year, same thing. When you watch the ar. You watched AR or the undrafted free agent, and every year, you see his points increase. You see him getting better. You see him getting better. You see him getting better. You watch Kobe. And every damn year, he got the guy that was laughing at that when he airballed that shot.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey. It could be the same turning point for check. Now you know where everybody been talking.

[Joe]

Oh, no, no. We always had that in him.

[Ocho]

We don't. We.

[Joe]

We don't. We.

[Ocho]

You. It just take a moment. It take a moment for them for that dog. I saw it.

[Joe]

I'm never gonna let a Chihuahua Pomeranian guard the flock. That's. He gonna sit on my lap and he gonna bark at the doorbell and when the mailman stick the bell in the slot, he gonna go tear it up. That's what I got him for. I will get an alibi. I will get a kangal. I'm gonna get a barbell. I'm gonna get you one of these big ass Caucasian mastiffs. I will let them guard the floor.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

That ain't check makeup, though, Joe. That's in you, Joe. Ain't nobody gave you that. It wasn't a situation that it was. It was your upbringing that caused you to be Joe Johnson. It was Ocho's upbringing that caused Ocho to be Chad Johnson. It was my upbringing that was in me. That ain't on me.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, there's. There's certain things you can't. You can't coach, Joe. Certain things you can coach. You have an it factor. Everybody has that is factor. Some people got it, some people don't. You can't coach it. It just you. You born with it.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Uncle Ocho]

You born with it.

[Joe]

Yes. I. Look, he go, but here's the thing, though, Joe. That's his demons. Cheddar. Cheddar. If you're an alcoholic, ched is the drink. If you got a gambling problem, cheddar, the casino. Wimby is the casino. If you got a. A girl addiction, Wimby is the model. So whatever your weakness is, he's it.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

How do you face it? How do you stare it down?

[Ocho]

That'll go through his ass.

[Joe]

Because guess what, Joe? If you have an addiction to alcohol, guess what you got to do, Joe? I got to go buy every liquor store every day for the rest of my life and not go in there. I got to be able to go back, go to a restaurant and order water or drink or. Or a soda and not a drink. I go out with the boys to watch a game. I gotta walk by the bar and go sit in the back and have a good time with. While everybody else is drinking, I got to be able to go, hey, man, we going to Vegas, bro. I don't know if I can go to Vegas. It's like me in Houston, I got to go to every time. I got to go to Houston,

[Ocho]

man.

[Joe]

Me and Joe. Hey, So, hey, there's a saying that says we create our demons, only we can chase them away. Yeah, we going to Houston. Damn it. We going to Houston. I will chase my demons away. I'm going to Houston, and I'm gonna be outside.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Malcolm Glebel]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, that's good energy, huh?

[Joe]

I said that out loud.

[Ocho]

I like the language you talking, man. That's what I'm talking about.

[Uncle Ocho]

I like it. Hey, you.

[Joe]

And you know what.

[Uncle Ocho]

And you said that with some conviction. That's how I know you meant it.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Oh, Lord.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

That's all.

[Uncle Ocho]

I'm with you when you write.

[Joe]

I ain't bother nobody.

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[Joe]

Mike Brown was asked if it's difficult to separate his connection to the spurs organization and Dear and Fox ahead of the NBA Finals. They definitely want to beat me and I want to kick their ass. I love them and you could always love them before and after. Joe you ever when so how was it when you played when you played when you were Atlanta and you played Phoenix or you went to the Brooklyn and you played Atlanta and you played Phoenix? How was that?

[Ocho]

I tried trying to get air 30 every game I tried and I damn near succeeded. A Lot of times. I ain't saying I did it every time, but a lot of the times I was trying to get a ass. Hell, especially Phoenix. When I left Phoenix and came here, I tried to get them boys. Hell, every time they seen me, they know it. They knew it. Hey, hey, what we talking about? I ain't gotta say a damn thing, but my energy alone lets you know. Oh, he. He ain't messing around today. He. Man, we. Hey, hey. We're gonna have to send that double on his ass. Cause he think he finna come in here and give us 35, 40 points. Hell, no. Yeah, that's how my energy was.

[Joe]

Ocho, did you play the Bengals when you went to New England?

[Uncle Ocho]

No. No, sir. Remember?

[Joe]

I was only.

[Uncle Ocho]

That. I was only there for that one season. And during. When they ran that gauntlet that year, I. I didn't shoot. I think they might. They. Them boys might have lost but two, three, maybe three games that season.

[Joe]

We.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nah, we ain't playing.

[Joe]

I played. Man, how funny is this, man? I leave the Broncos, I go to the Ravens. Our first playoff game. Guess who it's against, Joe?

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Who?

[Joe]

Broncos.

[Uncle Ocho]

Ravens. Oh, the Broncos.

[Ocho]

Oh, man, the Broncos. You trying to get. You trying to get ass. Hell, when you are.

[Joe]

My first catch, y'.

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[Uncle Ocho]

One.

[Joe]

My first catch. They call the pass. It's kind of windy day. I know Jamal. I used to call him the big mistake. It's a derogatory term. It was. It was derogatory at the time. But since, you know, I've been known. Little people say it's derogatory, but let's just call him. I called him

[Uncle Ocho]

right, right.

[Joe]

Average sized body, but he had little. Little short arms. We call the pass. He goes into the flat. I see Trent rear back to throw it. I said, ain't no way in hell Big Ma gonna catch this. Yeah, I said, let me go ahead that way. So I start getting me a little light jog. I head that way just in case it bobbles up in the air. I'm gonna have to cat. I'm gonna have to chase somebody down, right? What happened? Sure enough, he bobbling up in there. A defender tip it. I catch it, go down the sideline. 58 yards for a touchdown. Joe in front of the Broncos bench.

[Ocho]

Hey, you know what it is? It's. Cause when you playing your former team, bro, you be so in tune, you know what I mean? And it's like the littlest things that can happen for you. It's like. Cause I done had games to where I played against Former teams. And it didn't go so well. But for the most part, you be so locked in. Cause you want your damn get back, you know, you just.

[Joe]

You feel away.

[Ocho]

You know what I mean?

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Ocho]

And you want to come out and put on a hell of a performance. I know exactly what you're talking about.

[Joe]

And my thing was, it was because I still had a lot of friends over there. It was the fact. And I told. And I ended up having a conversation with Mike. And I said, mike, I'm not upset that you tried to trade me and you end up not even offering me a contract. It was the fact that you thought you'd be better without me. Yeah. I said, there are so many things that I do outside of the football. You just look at what I do on the football field.

[Ocho]

Right when all.

[Joe]

That's when I left and the locker room went to chaos and all that other stuff was going on. Had a conversation like 84, you're right. But I got. I ain't came for three passes. Had like 78 yards. But it was that one play. And then every big play that we needed to get to the Super Bowl, I made it. Yeah, that made me feel good. Because they didn't think I could play. I could play at that level. And even though I didn't get the opportunities that I got younger in my career at Denver, give me an opportunity, I'll make a play.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Knowing that defense once, Marvin Lewis and a Shay, because it was. It was a running joke. We started a joke like, marvin, how many points you need today? Marvin, say, we give us this. So we playing Tennessee. So we beat the Broncos. He's like, we say, broncos not gonna score anything on us. I said, what you need in Tennessee? He say, he said, shay, give us 10. I said, Marvin, they got the best record in the NFL. They got. Statistically, their defense was better than ours. He said, yeah, give us 10. Give it to us early. They scored. Place going crazy. They bust the coverage. I go down, I catch a 58 yard pass. Go down to the one. Jamal score. They kick a field goal. We kick a field goal. Then they try to pick another field goal. We block it. Running back for a touchdown. They throw a swing pass to Ed in the flat. Ray Pickett go back for a touchdown. So we beat them.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

So we feeling good. So we going out. We going out early. We going out early to. To the Raiders because we playing them. They in Oakland. My best friend, Sharon, she passes. She was supposed to meet me in Tennessee, but she ends up passing. So I end up having to go out there. I have to go out there to. To Denver, to. Obviously to her home, going service. So I don't ride on the plane out there because normally I'm up the front. So the veteran players, if you got 10 years or more, you sit up front with the coaches. Everybody else in the back. So, yeah, I didn't get a chance. So when I get to the hotel that Saturday, I say, mom, what we looking like? He says. He say, shay, give us seven. I said, marvin, I said, marvin, they got the number one offense in football. What you mean? He said, shay, give us seven. Give it to us early. So I said, suge, be honest now, because we always sit at the table. We always said, me, Suge, Woody, Rod Wilson, Corey Harris. We always sat together. I said, sure. I said, sure. What we looking like? What we look need tomorrow? He looked me dead in my eyes. He said, shay, give us seven. The first quarter, it's over. I say, what? I ain't telling what Marvin had told me. I said, come over there, man. I said. I say, you know, big play, Shay, good for seven. I say. I say. I say, stover, gotta. Gotta kick it. So that's 10. So. So you saying if we get the 10 points. He said, Shay, if we get the seven points and y' all don't turn it over, they done.

[Uncle Ocho]

We good. Hey, hey, hey. Joe. I don't think people understand how good that 2000 Ravens defense was.

[Ocho]

They was like that.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oo, Joe, I don't even think. I think if the 2000 Ravens defense was playing today, everybody on that team would be suspended.

[Joe]

Oh, hell yeah. You could. You could. You can't play like that now.

[Uncle Ocho]

They are now, Joe, the way they

[Joe]

played, are we knocking your quarterback out of the game? Your backup? Get your backup ready to play. Cause they gonna knock your starter out.

[Uncle Ocho]

There was no weakness, Joe. You know, every. Every time you play a team, there's always a Fish. We call them the Fish, Joe.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

You know, when we go through our game plan, we go through our scouting report, you find who the Fish is, you find who the weak league is, and that's. That's what you pick on. You pick on the Fish, Joe. Ain't no Fish out there with them back then.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Uncle Ocho]

And stop playing, Joe.

[Joe]

You got to realize they gave up 3, 10, 3 0.

[Ocho]

Damn stingy.

[Joe]

Every offensive play other than the last player of the game that was a kneel down ended in a punt or turnover for them. They had 16 possessions. It ended in a punt or turnover. Hold on, but what, what, what, what

[Ocho]

made that defense so great? Obviously, we know, Ray, but what. What really made it great?

[Joe]

Run the football. They made you one dimensional at all. In 16 games, they didn't give up a thousand total yards rushing you couldn't run in, so now they know you got to throw it. All they played was cover two. But your third foot, that ball better be at your hands. Oh, they gonna knock your quarterback out. Go back and look at the hit that Rob Bernett put on Aili Smith.

[Uncle Ocho]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, that was.

[Joe]

If he would. If you would have hit a quarterback like that today, you are getting suspended. Chad, go look up that shot that Rob Burnett put on a Keeley Smith. If you hit a quarterback, I mean, he took two steps and got ready to throw, and Rob Burnett put his helmet right up under his chin.

[Uncle Ocho]

I remember that.

[Joe]

Boy, look here, you got a real. Hey, Joe, in 20 games, they didn't give up 200 points in 20 games. As a matter of fact, they didn't give up 190 points in 20 games.

[Uncle Ocho]

But boy was good

[Ocho]

putting it down.

[Uncle Ocho]

But, hey, you know who didn't. You know who ain't seen them. Boy Joe.

[Ocho]

Who, me?

[Joe]

Huh?

[Uncle Ocho]

I ain't see the boy, Joe.

[Joe]

I mean.

[Ocho]

Oh, how many yards you had against the boy?

[Joe]

No, he wasn't in the league. Did.

[Uncle Ocho]

Nah, I came in the next one.

[Ocho]

Oh, okay.

[Uncle Ocho]

Okay, Joe. I still ain't seen him. Boy Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah, with that little. You know, we had a little something at the Wild Wild west on Ocho.

[Ocho]

What y' all have done, you know, Little.

[Joe]

Little. We can't say. You're not supposed to. It start with a B, it ends with a Y. We put a little money on his head.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, they had. They already had money on my head anyway, Joe. And I ain't see that.

[Joe]

Look, Mike Brown wants to win a championship. There ain't very many of us of color that have won an NBA title.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Joe Missoula, Lenny Wilkins, Bill Russell as a player coach, Al Adams, Doc Rivers. Yes, sir. I mean, the NBA been going on for 80 years. I think that's it.

[Ocho]

What is. Mitch Johnson, he blamed.

[Joe]

But I'm saying. I'm saying, yes, they want to win. And it's a rarity. Guess what? That they go against each other.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, y' all looked at that hit. Oh, there it is. Y' all looked at that hit that Robert that put on Achillesmith.

[Uncle Ocho]

You put.

[Joe]

You pull it up. Pull it up. We can't show it.

[Uncle Ocho]

We allowed to play it you're not allowed to play it, huh?

[Joe]

But you can pull it up joint. Take a look at it. I mean, bro, he didn't even get fully in. His drop ball was gone. Yes. Casey Jones. So Bill Russell, Coach Russell did it. Al Adams, Casey Jones, Joe Missoula, Doc Rivers, Ty Lu. Did we leave out anybody? And now we about to get another one.

[Ocho]

Yeah. It's gonna be interesting though.

[Joe]

So what is the six? Because I out of one. Warriors, obviously. We know Russell and, and, and Casey Jones won with the Celtics. Doc run with the Celtics. Joe Missoula won with the Celtics. Ty Lou won with the Cavs.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, youngest Rod is Rod Barnett, rb.

[Joe]

Rob. He and I came out together. He's from Syracuse. We came out 90 together. Goose came out. I think Goose might have been a seventh, a 12th round pick. Goose might have been the 12th round. A goose might have been a free agent. We checked. We are asked, about to check. Take text the link to you.

[Uncle Ocho]

Yeah, I got, I got it now. 1999, week five, 2000.

[Joe]

Man, we put a hurt on y'.

[Uncle Ocho]

All.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, Joe, I couldn't, I couldn't, you know, hit, you know, I got a little touchdown. You. Hey, see that touchdown I put on your boy, Daryl Williams. Joe. Oh, Ocho, I shook him. Ooh, did I?

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, hey, D will get hit, boy.

[Joe]

I, I, you know, then I come back, then I went back down to Cincinnati, put two on his head. Bill russell.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Casey jones, lenny wilkins, doc rivers, joe missoula, tyloo. Seven. You miss anybody? Yes. So we said, russell, al adams, casey jones, lenny wilkins, doc rivers, joe missoula, tyloo. Did we miss anybody? Chat.

[Uncle Ocho]

Hey, that was, that was a nice little stunt, man. That was a nice stunt. That was a, that was a man, that man.

[Joe]

I would too. Was it if Ocho, you know, if you hit a quarterback like that, now you get suspended, right?

[Uncle Ocho]

You put all your weight on him like that, you out the game. That was a nice stunt. That was a nice little stunt. I'm not even gonna lie.

[Joe]

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[Joe]

reached the NBA Finals within the last two years. They passed on. Luca traded Halle, fired Mike Brown and moved on from Fox. And all they got in return was the first round exit in 2023. Joe, what's going on with the Kings?

[Ocho]

Damn infrastructure. Bad fella. Ain't no way around it. I don't even know how you cut it and slice it. Halle played in the finals last year. Mike Brown in the finals, Fox in the finals. Come on, bro. Yeah, I'm. Yeah, it ain't. It ain't. The damn coaches and the players, obviously, we see that now. It's the organization, it's the infrastructure, bro. It's obviously it's bad.

[Uncle Ocho]

At the top, huh?

[Ocho]

Yeah, it got to, bro. Like when you look at all these situations, these guys going to different teams, coaches coaching different teams, and they are having success. And you look at the Kings, bro, They've been in dumps Uncle Ocho. Hell for, man.

[Joe]

They've been since a c web them left

[Ocho]

and bibbing them left on.

[Joe]

They. They've been bad ever since Seawell left.

[Ocho]

And so I don't know, man. I don't know how you get. What pick they got this year. I think they got like, they need

[Joe]

a bunch of picks. It's being reported, Joe, that they're thinking about moving on from. What's the big tall guy, Chrissy the player, the Lithuanian. His dad. His dad played the ly. Sabonus? Yes.

[Ocho]

The bonus.

[Joe]

Yes. I told Oo. Oo didn't believe that he was 71. Hold on. I thought.

[Ocho]

I thought Sabonus was already gone. He ain't already.

[Joe]

No, he still.

[Ocho]

Yeah, they probably. Hey, he gonna. He gonna help some damn body.

[Joe]

He ain't.

[Ocho]

He ain't.

[Joe]

Look, Sabonis is good, but his dad was a hell of a player. He. I mean, his dad was. By the time he got to the got the States and played with Portland, he's old and beat up. But boy, you talking about past the basketball. He was Jokic passing before Jokic.

[Ocho]

He used to get Shaq some. He used to get Shaq head seven three. Could shoot the three.

[Joe]

Hey, Joe, the mock draft got Acuff going to the Kings.

[Ocho]

Oh, man, they got, they got my. I don't want Acuff to go to the Kings, bro. Hey, but you right, Sabonis, I think he was shooting threes back then. Centers wasn't shooting threes. He was one of the only centers shooting threes back then. Probably like him and Sam Perkins, you know. Yeah, them big guys, big guys want to shoot threes like that back then.

[Joe]

But you go back and look at him when he played for the Unified. Well, I don't. I think they was called the Russian team. They later became the Unified. Oh, here he was.

[Ocho]

He was serious.

[Joe]

They used to get America high iq.

[Ocho]

High IQ to pass the crap out there.

[Uncle Ocho]

Ball.

[Ocho]

I know exactly what you're talking about.

[Joe]

But it was what you call it. It was the Brazilians. I, I think they, they beat them in the. They ended up beating David Robinson them. When they had the legendary Oscar Schmidt, the Brazilian. Yeah, Joe, now you talking about a bucket getter. And I think he dropped like 48 on the Americans. And that was when they said, you know what? Enough of this. We bringing pros, Y' all got pros, we bringing pros.

[Ocho]

Ain't no more college ish going on, right?

[Joe]

The Aces got back to their winning ways. They beat the Valkyries 91, 81. Asia Wilson, 28 points, 15 rebounds, 4 blocks. Jackie Young got back to looking like Jackie Young. 23 points, nine assists. She was 9 of 17 from the field, 5 of 9 from the three point line. And she grabbed several rebounds. The victory gave Becky Hammonds 150th coaching victory and made her the second fastest coach to reach that milestone. She did it in 205 games, seven behind Van Chancellor, who set the record when he coached the Houston. Comments. Gabby Williams led the Valkyrie with. With 20 points. Man, Asia, look when they're playing, when them two guards, when Asia is Asia and Jackie Young, one of those guards play, they.

[Ocho]

Hell yeah, they, they are, bro. They gonna, they, they. They gonna be tough to beat. You know you right. When Asia's playing like this and she can't be stopped. 15 boys, 28 points. It ain't, it ain't I don't know if. I don't even know if they got a girl in WNBA who matches up well with her.

[Joe]

No. Cause you see how she moved. She's not. She doesn't move like a lady. Her. She's sudden and she's left.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

She added the three. She's got a midi. She can put the ball on the floor, she can get to the rim, you foul her. But as a two way player, she give you points, rebounds, and block your shots.

[Ocho]

You know, with, with, with, with women though, especially like in Asia's position because she's a center. They need. She need good guard.

[Joe]

Absolutely. And she got two of the best she's getting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

And when they playing well. When they playing well, that's what makes them virtually impossible to be.

[Joe]

And man, what you call them, they play. Look, this was a very important game to them because they played their starters major minutes. And Kennedy Carter, who's been unbelievable right now, she'd be the sixth woman of the year. She's been amazing. She only played nine minutes, but she still gave you six points. Joe. She gave. She was perfect from the free throw. I mean, she was perfect from the field. One on one from the three point line and three or four, three or four from the free throw line. She was. She was amazing.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Hey, Becky. Becky rode them horses.

[Joe]

Unlike Ron Turcotte on Secretariat. Hey, he got to the top, he tucked it back up on and say I only needed today that chestnut coat laid it down Come on home and you feel turn back over look like God. Are y' all even running?

[Ocho]

Hey, damn.

[Joe]

Becky had to whip out today on him. Come on. Come on home.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Facts, fact. Hey sometime hey boy sometime that what it take? Hey, if you in a little rut or you trying to bounce back. Hey, y' all need to get it together.

[Joe]

Yeah. Gabby Williams and she played for the French team. And she played for the French team because I think. I think she got dual citizenship. So I think she played for the French team because she gave. Cause remember Joe, in the Olympic. She had hit that shot, but her foot was on the. On the line.

[Ocho]

Golden State.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

Kill Stokes. She was on. I think she played with the. She played with the Aces last year. Kind of doing what she's done before. No point seven rebounds.

[Ocho]

I think I read somewhere to where the Golden State Valkyries, they like a. They're like a top franchise.

[Joe]

Oh yeah. The most expensive franchise. I think they worth a billion. A billion. But what.

[Ocho]

What makes them. What makes them how's that?

[Joe]

They own the building which they play in.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

Like the Liberty.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

Huh?

[Ocho]

Yeah, man. What we. We should have got in and got us a percentage on the dream. Hell, yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah. We could have got it. We could have got it real cheap. And you ain't nothing cheap now. Houston. Yeah. Till. Hey. Yeah. Tillman Fertino just bought the. Well, he bought the Suns last year. They're relocating to Houston. The Sun. Connecticut Sun.

[Ocho]

All righty.

[Uncle Ocho]

They'll be the Houston side.

[Joe]

That'd be the comments.

[Ocho]

No, I think they're going back in the comments. They've done. They've done something to be able to get that comment back, and that's gonna be dope. I remember. I remember as a kid, bro, sitting there watching Cynthia Cooper

[Joe]

Thompson. They parole. They had swoops. Yeah. They were loaded.

[Ocho]

When they. When the WNBA first kicked out, them girl was not playing well.

[Joe]

You ain't gonna see what they did. They went four straight. Cause they had two of the top five players on one team. And Tina Thompson wasn't no slouch.

[Ocho]

Oh, no.

[Joe]

So they might have had three of the top seven, top eight players on one roster. And the only thing that hurt them is that Coop was getting older. But if she was cold, man, Cooper,

[Ocho]

damn, she was cold. She was nice, bro. I'm talking about putting up numbers.

[Joe]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Joe]

But congratulations. I got. I gotta check out a comics game. I'm trying to say who they gonna. Who they can play, who I want to see them play. They gotta play somebody good. Nah, you know what? When. When you got stars like Asia and Gray and Young, you don't care who they play because the best talent is on that. On the. On the home court.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

It ain't like you go, you know, you. You want them teams and you wait for the Lakers or you wait for somebody good to come play. Hell, we got the best players right here. Because I saw him play. I saw him play a couple years ago. I saw him play Caitlyn Clark. The.

[Ocho]

Are you talking about the Aces?

[Joe]

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I ain't. I ain't really seen nothing now. I mean, I saw Caitlyn Clark, be a little demonstrative, you know, outside of that. I ain't trying to.

[Joe]

That. That's. You can't be demonstrative. Ocho.

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