Nightcap Hour 2: TJ Houshmandzadeh joins and CALLS OUT Browns for preventing Shedeur from succeeding

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 2 – TJ Houshmandzadeh Joins and Calls Out Browns for Preventing Shedeur from Succeeding

Date: August 24, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guests: Chad Johnson (Ochocinco), TJ Houshmandzadeh

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Episode Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay focuses on the controversy surrounding quarterback Shedeur Sanders and the Cleveland Browns' approach to his development and playing opportunities. Shannon Sharpe, along with co-host Chad Johnson and guest TJ Houshmandzadeh, dive deep into locker room culture, quarterback preparation, the politics of NFL roster decisions, and whether the Browns are intentionally hindering Shedeur's chance to shine. The hosts also reflect on the weight of expectations at the quarterback position, rookie evaluation, as well as broader cultural and personal topics.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Culture of Quarterbacking and Preparation

Timestamps: 02:17 - 12:25

• Jaden Daniels’ Work Ethic:

  • Shannon Sharpe and TJ praise Commanders QB Jaden Daniels for his tireless preparation and leadership.
    • "He's an absolute dog competitor...Very much an early morning person...his commitment...sets an example for the rest of the team." — Shannon Sharpe (02:17)
  • TJ: Key difference between great quarterbacks is what they do behind the scenes, not just talent but also individualized hard work.

• Lessons from the Greats:

  • Sharpe contrasts “the guy in Indy” (implied: Anthony Richardson) with Daniels, criticizing poor preparation and lack of sacrifice for the position.
    • “One guy was there early, he's there late. One guy was there late and he left early. I see better than I heard.” — Shannon Sharpe (04:39)
  • Citing Peyton Manning and Tom Brady as models for how to control and command practices.

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2. Shedeur Sanders and the Browns Controversy

Timestamps: 14:45 - 31:08

• Frustration with Browns’ Handling of Shedeur:

  • TJ Houshmandzadeh expresses frustration over Shedeur being placed in poor situations with backup players, limiting his ability to impress.
    • "You put him in with guys that's gonna be on the street tomorrow...he went into a gunfight with two knives. He gonna lose that every time." — Chad Johnson (16:27)
  • Shannon questions why Browns didn't test Shedeur in crucial two-minute situations with real roster players.

• Potential Motives:

  • The group speculates Browns’ coaching staff is protecting the incumbent starter (Flacco) and fears a controversy if Shedeur excels in preseason.
    • "If Shadur take them down there, drive down the length of the field, they win that game, the fans gonna be saying, Shadur should be our starter." — Chad Johnson (17:16)
    • "It's like [Stefanski] don't want Shadir to do well...it's as if they want him to fail so they can justify doing what they want to do." — Chad Johnson (17:54)

• Issues with Browns Management:

  • Explains how head coach Kevin Stefanski lacks final roster control; decision power rests with GM Andrew Berry and owner Jimmy Haslam, limiting Stefanski’s autonomy.
    • “Kevin Stefanski does not have say of the final 53. That’s Barry and that’s Jimmy Haslam.” — Shannon Sharpe (27:06)
    • "If he had more success as a coach...he would have more say." — Chad Johnson (27:17)
  • Houshmandzadeh claims the Browns owner openly stated Shedeur wasn't his pick, suggesting organizational bias.

• NFL Quarterback Dynamics:

  • Strong belief that the Browns are “a quarterback away.”
    • "The Cleveland Browns are a quarterback away from being competitive with anybody because of that defense and the skill guys that they have." — Chad Johnson (21:56)
  • Debate on why teams hesitate to give young QBs a real shot despite the potential long-term rewards for coaches.

Notable Analogy:

• “You let him go into a gunfight with two knives.” — Chad Johnson (16:27)

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3. The Pressure and Complexity of Playing Quarterback

Timestamps: 32:50 - 41:03

• Quarterback: The Unhideable Position:

  • Unlike other weaknesses in the lineup, a QB’s flaws can’t be disguised.
    • “Your weakest of your 11 better not be [the quarterback].” — Shannon Sharpe (34:11)

• Changing Nature of NFL Offense:

  • Passing takes precedence; teams expect massive production from QBs given lucrative contracts.
    • “You think about paying a guy $60 million...to hand the ball off 45 times a game? You better kiss my butt. You will throw it.” — Shannon Sharpe (35:38)

• Learning Curve and Mistakes:

  • Discussion of Anthony Richardson as a “project” thrown into action too soon, losing locker room support after checking himself out of a game.
    • “You can never, never check yourself out of game and say, you tired ever. You can’t do that.” — Chad Johnson (37:57)

• No Room for Bold Claims:

  • Critique of QBs who claim NFL is “easier than college,” emphasizing mental strain and complexity.
    • "Have you ever heard Brady, Manning, Elway, Marino...say NFL football is easier than college football?" — Shannon Sharpe (38:34)

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4. Family, Culture, and Personal Dynamics

Timestamps: 49:00 - 57:25

• Viral Incident Involving Kansas State QB’s Family:

  • Group reacts to news of a postgame fight between Avery Johnson’s father and brother, exploring family tensions and impact of alcohol.
    • “You won’t do anything intoxicated you hadn’t at least thought about sober because your mind won’t allow you to go there.” — Shannon Sharpe (50:46)
    • TJ and Chad discuss normalcy of family altercations but agree it’s “sad to see” in public.

• Broader Cultural Reflections:

  • TJ Houshmandzadeh and Shannon discuss prevalence of family disputes in their communities—acknowledging it's common but not excusing it.
    • "We got enough without us fighting ourselves. We got enough to fight a bigger battle outside." — Shannon Sharpe (56:22)

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5. Q&A Segment: Fans’ Questions on Shedeur, Team Dynamics, and More

Timestamps: 57:35 - 72:02

• Shedeur vs. Other Young QBs:

  • Fans question why Shedeur isn’t given first-team reps while others are; panel insists Shedeur’s opportunities are unfairly limited compared to others.
    • “The difference is, is that Shuck is getting first team, second team reps. He's being put in a situation where he can succeed. The other guy isn't.” — Shannon Sharpe (57:50)
    • "That's the way it's always gone. Always." — TJ Houshmandzadeh (63:30)

• Sanders’ Habits:

  • Acknowledgement of Shedeur's tendency to hold the ball too long—an issue carried from college to NFL.
    • "He does hold onto the ball too long. He's trying to make every play. Sometimes I think he's trying to play hero ball." — Shannon Sharpe (63:34)

• Race and Media:

  • Brief mention that Sanders’ situation may be complicated by media attention and being a Black quarterback.
    • "It comes down to being Black in America. That kid just wants to play ball. And white media comes with circus and blame Sanders for it." — Shannon Sharpe (63:30)

• Future Prospects:

  • Speculation on whether Sanders could land elsewhere (Saints, Steelers, or even CFL) if released.
    • "Maybe not with the Browns, but I think he's going to get a chance." — Shannon Sharpe (70:05)

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Preparation and Leadership:

  • “They serve your breakfast, lunch and dinner...there is absolutely no reason for a player...They have everything you can possibly want.” — Shannon Sharpe (06:13)

• Bottom Line on Young QBs:

  • “I want a guy like Shadur. I'm giving him an opportunity. If you fall on your face, you fall on your face. But you getting a chance with me.” — Chad Johnson (30:27)
  • “I would rather win my way. I would rather lose my way than win someone else's way.” — Shannon Sharpe (31:08)

• On Coaching Politics:

  • “You only get say over the roster when you have the credentials.” — Shannon Sharpe (27:27)

• On Quarterback Pressure:

  • “Quarterback is not an easy position. I understand why they make the big bucks, and I ain't envious of it.” — Shannon Sharpe (41:03)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment Description | |----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:17 | Jaden Daniels’ culture-setting and leadership praised | | 04:39 | Contrasting work ethic in young QBs | | 14:45 | Introduction of TJ Houshmandzadeh; Browns/Shedeur situation begins | | 16:27 | Browns limiting Shedeur’s chances with backup teammates | | 17:16 | Speculation: Browns avoiding a Flacco/Shedeur controversy | | 21:56 | Browns described as “a quarterback away” from contention | | 27:06 | Explaining Stefanski’s lack of roster control | | 31:08 | Sharpe’s “win my way” coaching mantra | | 34:11 | Quarterback as the “unhideable” position | | 38:34 | Dismantling “NFL is easier than college” narrative | | 49:00 | Kansas State postgame family fight discussion | | 57:35 | Q&A: Differences in QB opportunity; Shedeur’s struggles | | 63:34 | Sharpe on Shedeur’s hero ball habit | | 70:05 | Prospects if Shedeur is cut (CFL, other NFL teams) |

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Podcast Tone and Style

• The conversation is candid, humorous, and unfiltered—full of friendly jabs, honest frustration, and deep football insight.
• The camaraderie between Shannon, Chad, and TJ is apparent; they frequently poke fun at each other while maintaining respect for the game and its players.
• Real-life anecdotes about family, culture, and locker room life enrich the football analysis.

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Conclusion

This episode offers a raw and insightful discussion about the inner workings of NFL quarterback development, pointing a critical lens at the Browns' handling of Shedeur Sanders. With a mix of tactical breakdowns, personal experience, and unfiltered truths, Shannon Sharpe and guests drive home how much more goes into a quarterback's rise (or fall) beyond just talent—highlighting politics, preparation, and the sometimes unforgiving reality of sports management.

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Dan Quinn praises Jaden Daniels for changing the culture of commander's locker room. I think that smile is a wolf in sheep's clothing, quinn said. He's an absolute dog competitor described James routine and how his commitment to putting in the work helps set an example for the rest of the team. Very much an early morning morning person would rather grow through everything before everybody even gets here. Well, before the sun comes up. There's been times Looking out the weight room, who's walking off the field in the dark is him. That's a standard that other players have also appreciated from him. Yeah, Ocho Jaden Daniels for MVP this season.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

It's possibly, possibly because listen, I don't see a sophomore slump in the, in the, in the in. In the works for him. Obviously I would like for them to get his number one target, Terry McLaurin. I would love them to get that situation rectified so we can have all weapons and all hangs on deck coming, coming week one. But he definitely, definitely can be the mvp. And obviously what we saw last year, it didn't just start. Now this is something he's always been doing. He was doing it at Arizona State, he did it at lsu and so it just carried over, over into Washington and they got their quarterback of the future for the next 10, 15 years and stuff like that. The little things, the things that Coach Quinn is talking about, the little things is what's going to make a difference, which is why he was able to come into an organization and make a impact indifference right away, right away. Things that don't even have to do with the game of football. The approach, your preparation, your worth ethic. I know a lot of people say you work hard and, and you hope everything comes into fruition. It's not just about working hard. It's about knowing what to work on is what makes the difference. Everybody works hard, but knowing what you as an individual need to work on, to make sure you on point at whatever it is that you do, is how you see change and difference.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see the difference between him and the guy in Indy.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

That'S a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see the difference. One guy was there early, he's there late. One guy was there late and he left early. You see the difference. You see the difference? Some it's, it's, it's what you do. They watch what you do, not what you say. I see better than I heard. I hear you talking about how much you put, how much time you put in. But I see you the last one drag your ass in here. I see you the first one leave. That's how you become great. That's how you become successful.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

I don't see how you couldn't sacrifice in that position anyway to want to be the best at what you do, the quarterback position with the kind of money they paying, as difficult as it is to find QB ones on certain teams and I got the opportunity to be QB1 and you think I ain't finna buy in I mean, that, that's just. That's just. That's just me. I'm not caring about nothing else. No other hobbies or nothing else I got going on. I'm QB1 and Andy. You mean I got the chance. Year one, year two. So year three is my. Make it a breaker year. If I get almost. If I got all my ducks aligning in a row, if I dot all my eyes and I cross all my T's. You mean there's opportun me to get a five year, 300 million dollar court contract? What, and you think I'm not gonna be locked in? First one there, last one out, mesh. What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, they serve your breakfast, lunch and dinner. You got cold tub, you got steam room, you got sauna, you got red sauna. You got everything you could possibly need. They serve you breakfast, they cook. You want salmon? Okay, you got that. You want a steak? You got that. You want chicken? Oh, are you pescatarian? So it's only fish for you? What type of fish do you like? Make sure we have that. You like salmon, you like trout?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, really?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, we. Oh, I'll talk to the. Maybe we can get some grouper. Maybe we get sea bass. Make we get a white fish. You like whitefish? Sure. You like cod? You like halibut?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So lamb chops, they prepare, they cooking sunny side up, over medium, poached. You want French toast, you want pancakes? Ocho, all of that is there at your disposal now. Ocho. Man, hey, let me get in this cold tub, this cold plunge, man. Man, I'm gonna get in the sauna. Man, let me get. Hey, let me get in the steam room. Let me get in the red. So let me get on the reds. Let me get on the laser tape. Hey, there is no reason. There is absolutely no reason for a player. They have everything, everything you can possibly want. And this is an opportunity for guys. I. I just don't get it. I don't. I don't get it. I don't. And it's not always, but you can tell that Jayden Daniels, the little bit that I was around him. Ocho, remember before the draft, we had him on. He came on. The way he carried himself. We had him on last year at the super bowl, he had him on. Yeah, he gonna be something. You gonna be something? Because I've been around. I've been around enough quarterbacks and to see how they handle their business, the ones that really good. I played with one, went to the hall of fame. I got an opportunity to see Peyton I wasn't there day to day, but talk to people around him and how he goes about. Peyton ran the practices. You can't run the practice if you don't know what the hell you doing. Brady. I heard Brady talk. He ran the practice. This is where I want you. This is what it would needs to look like. I, I, I don't, I don't get these guys. And then. But like I said, and, and. But sometimes. Sometimes, Ocho, the hardest thing to. For us to see is our own flaws. I raised my hand. Shoot.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

I raised mine too. Matter of fact, everybody in the chat should probably raise theirs as well, because we all have them. We all have them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're so close to the situation, you don't see. See the, the, the. The. The blindest person isn't the man that can't see is the one that chooses not to see is when you, when someone tell you something or there's a reoccurring pattern of the same thing. Of the same thing. He. I mean, bro, as the quarterback, Ocho, even if you, Even if you, Even if you don't even turn, even if you just in this film room by yourself just be the last one to leave fool them, you cannot, as the quarterback, be the first one to leave. You can't. I remember before they got these iPads and all the stuff you could watch it on, man, I used to see seven watching tape. And then he would take. He got those, you know, our laundry bag, Ocho, the. The little mess bags. He got 10, 15, 20 tapes in there. He's going home because he got one of those big machines and he's gonna watch them.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

And the funny thing too about it. About it too. You can't. You can't fool yourself pretending like you're watching. Because what's gonna happen based on what you see? You're gonna recollect.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You'll get your ass in the game.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

You're gonna expose yourself. You're gonna expose yourself.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because John would come back and say, hey. And he was like, hey, T. Did you see such and such. Did you watch this? I said, yeah. He said, did you see what they. How they played? I said, yeah, they played like a. What we call a bare stretch. They stretched it, which was a bare front. The center guard and both guards are covered, but they had a guy head up and they had a guy outside. He says, oh, okay. I just wanted to make. I just wanted to make sure. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Cause he's gonna quiz me. Cause you know, hey, I think I know. Hey, I know. What everybody's supposed to do. At least I'm telling everybody. I know what everybody's supposed to do. I know what Rod does. I know what Ed does. I know what I got. I know what the back's supposed to do. So he's like, okay, you say you do it, but did you see. Hey, did you see what Green Bay run? I said, yeah, they. Excuse me, Pittsburgh. I said, yeah, they ran cover six, but they do it differently. They kicking it so they playing quarters on one side, but they playing cover two on the backside. But the guy in the press, he kicking it. So that's what we call six kick. Cause you can play cover two. The guy play off funnel you in front of you down inside. But no, he had a press position and then he dropping. But they still playing quarters on the backside and. And half, half on the front. So if things like that, guys don't miss this opportunity, man, y' all got soap y' all got is so much that you can do. You can be great if you want to. Obviously, Ocho, you get to this level and that's what I tell them. Everybody got talent. You not unique now. Hey, bro, you're not unique. Maybe you could do some things, but everybody got a certain level of talent. You don't get here without no talent. Now, I'm not saying everybody is as talented as Lamar Jackson or has an arm that can throw the ball like Josh Allen. Those are different things. But if you don't think everybody at this level has a certain level of talent, you're fooling yourself just to get in the door.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

You got to have the talent now. Got to have the talent. How much work you willing to put in to be even better?

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Man, what they do, man? What's going on, man? I just going out to eat with the family. I'm like, oh, my boy want me on pull up.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

I told him. I told her. I'm so. I'm so glad. I'm so glad you on because you. You're much better at being a little bit more in depth in explaining things because I kind of get frustrated because people still I try. I tried to tell them I talked to you earlier and I knew I wasn't tripping. You saw the same thing I saw. But maybe if they hear from you because they sick of hearing my mouth and give them a better explanation on 12 situation, maybe they'll understand, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, just give us your thoughts on Shador. Shador. Shador, the game today. TJ why. Why do you think the Browns played it the way they did? And. And Shador and Shador's performance today From a.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

From my assessment, y', all, they don't want a controversy. That's how they don't want to come because we know what Flacco can do. Why? Why does Flacco starting the game? We know what he can do. He led y' all to the playoffs the last time y' all let him play. So if you're trying to figure out who you gonna play in Case Flacco gets hurt. Dylan Gabriel or you let them split the game. Snoop is Snoop. Holly Tyler Huntley's getting cut tomorrow. You let them. You let them battle it out. And so to me, it was like, wow, you. You put him in with guys that's gonna be on the street tomorrow. They all getting cut. Shannon, everybody should play with. They getting cut tomorrow or Monday.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We know that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And so you didn't get this man a fighting chance to compete. He went into a gunfight with two knives. He gonna lose that every time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was surprised, tj What I was most surprised about is that this is your opportunity to see him in a two minute situation. Why are you giving a guy a two minute situation when that guy's gonna be on the street in the next couple of days? So what do you get? And people already know what Huntley can do. He's been a starter in this league. He backed up Lamar Jackson for two to three years. He even started a postseason game. So I don't think anybody's going to look at that two minute situation and say, you know what? Snoop Hut is our backup. We saw him last year and he goes down to Miami. We saw him last year and we've seen him in situations. That's what. But that's what was confusing to me. TJ, you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know why they did that, Shannon, if Shadur take them down there, drive down the length of the field, they win that game, the fans gonna be saying, shadur, our quarterback, Shadir should be our starter. Shadir should be the guy that starts game one, week one. Look what he. They didn't want that to happen. And I don't know what's going on with Kevin Stefanski. It's almost as if. And I, and I don't even want to say this, but I'm gonna say it anyway. It's like he don't want Shadir to do well. Like when he played well the first game, he was so off putting, like, oh, yeah, well, you know, we'll see what happens next. Like he should. Oh, he played great, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He exceeded our expectations. I'm pro. He didn't say none of that. And so to me, right, it's as if they want him to fail so they can justify doing what they want to do. But, man, listen, the way when they, When Dylan Gabriel and I know Dylan Gabriel and I like Dylan Gabriel. I know him personally, very good, dude. When he made the entertainers and competitors comment, man, Shannon, if that was me, I would have walked up on Dylan Gabriel myself and be like, hey, bro, what did you mean, shoulder? Handled that about as good as anybody can handle it. When he was asked that he didn't handle himself the right way the entire.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Time he been there, Ocho said it wasn't nothing. Ocho said, we made a big deal about nothing with that, tj.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Nah, nah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He said he wasn't talking about. Ocho told me he was not talking about Shador.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So when you first hear it, 100, you talking about me? If I'm sure. When I first heard it, I'm like, oh, he talking about Shadur. If you sit back and reflect on it, I believe he's talking about, huh, Y' all, too. And the people on tv, the guys that are entertaining everybody else. But initially, when I first heard it, yeah, I said, oh, my God. Why would he say that? But then when you sit down and think about it, I do believe he wasn't talking about Shadur. But in that initial reaction, oh, I' ma compress you just to make sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can let me ask you this, tj. Why was he talking about OO and I? We're not competing.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He's competing. But the entertainers, the guys with great podcasts, like, what y' all doing? The guys on tv, they entertaining y'. All. So don't let them have us go against each other. We gonna compete. But the entertainers. That's how I took it once I sat back and reflected and thought about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think you gave him too much credit for that. I don't think he thought that far in depth.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And it could be, though, Shannon, that. That I know Dylan Gabriel. I've been knowing him for a few years now, and I like him. And that could be why, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. It seems to me, you know, sometimes, like, when you didn't like somebody a hoosh, and they. Somebody mentioned their name and you get quiet and you, like. It seems like every time they mention Shador's name, like, the fans get a part of him inside, like, damn, I got to talk about this dude. He four. He four string. Why are we talking about a dude that's played. That's four string?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Because he played well. And let's just be honest, man. We all know who his pops is. And so he came. He came into the league, like, whoa, did they really just do Shadur the way they did him during the draft? So automatically, all eyes was gonna. They were gonna be on him because of the way he came into the league. He played so well. And then to be drafted in the fifth round, everybody was taken Aback by that. Then he gets in the game. When he played the way he plays, some of them throws he was making, man, those aren't easy throws. It ain't like it's cover three.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He threw guys open.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He was throwing bbs and so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't know why they won't get this man a fair shot at least. It just seems that way. Joe Flacco may lead him to the playoffs, but he's not your quarterback of the future. I'm going with one of these young guys so that I can see are they the future or I gotta draft somebody else.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Yeah, I, I agree. I totally agree with you. I think, look, in year 18, based on Joe Flacco's resume and his history, he gonna win you four or five games.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Yeah. Nice run.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But here's the thing. Joe Flacco, when you games when there's no expectations, you see the number one thing that'll kill a killer player is expectations. You let, you let. When, when the backup come in and he gets to play free and loose, put expectations on him and see what happens. Now we expect you to lead us to the division. We expect you to win this game for us.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And see how you got these unc isms, man. You be having these Shannonisms, man. Hey, you, you right. Because now we expect you to win this playoff game. You fall flat. We expect you. Yep. To beat the Ravens or the Steelers or the Bengals. You fall flat. And he's not your future. That, that to me is the biggest thing. The Cleveland Browns are a quarterback away from being competitive with anybody because of that defense and the skill guys that they have. And so to me, it's a no brainer. I don't know why or what Shadir has done. Because prom played a long time. Played a long time. They love prom. Just because their daddy was a confident individual, they, his kids are gonna be the same way. We are a product of who we are always around and that's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's just what they are, man. Listen, if you ask my son is the next boy better than him, and he said, yeah, we got a problem. He know better. And so there is bread the same way. I just want to see the young man be given a fair shot. And from the outside looking in, it doesn't look like that's the case.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, well, you. I remember when prime said, do not let my confidence offend your insecurities. Don't let my. Don't let that go over your head now. Don't let my confidence offend Your insecurities.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Man, I, I really.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who I am and what I think of myself, that shouldn't have anything to do with you. Because, see, now you're allowing my, My confidence in my ability. Now you don't feel so secure in yourself, in your abilities. So now I'm. I'm offensive. How dare you talk like that? So where's the lie in what I said?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And, and this is the thing, though, Shannon, you one of the best to ever do it. And Chad should be right there with you in hall of Fame. That's another discussion every professional athlete, man, you, we all had the utmost confidence. Like, I still feel like right now I can go play in my head. Like, in my head, I feel like I can go get it done. Like, I believe in myself to the fullest. As you, as you do. Chad does as well. We all, every professional athlete has unwavering belief in yourself.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's how you make it this far.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Make it. And so to me, that's what you want. And the weight, man, the way this dude has handled himself, man, it's been.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He is. He's done an unbelievable job. Unbelievable.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Like, you could tell he'd been raised right. Like so many guys, the questions they asking him and the way they treat me, they didn't give him this drive, that drive today, man. Come on, man. That dude could have just sunk, sat on the bench. He didn't do that. I'm sure he was disappointed. He handled himself the right way on the sideline. Me and Chad would have been throwing. He knows the camera would have been throwing our helmets or something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. But the thing is that, that he knows who is that? He knows no matter where he is, the cameras are on him. If he's on the sideline getting Gatorade, the cameras are on him. If he's standing there listening to the play being called in the headset, the cameras are on him when he's on. So whatever emotion he's going through, the cameras are going to be on it on him. And guess what? People are going to try to deduce. What is he thinking? What's going on his head. You see his body language. That's why he was a fifth round draft pick. Look at the body language, Ocho. You see what happens? Blah, blah, blah, bro.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, great awareness.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I'm supposed to. He.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He has great awareness. Let's go. If you look at what Jackson Dart has done in New York, what are they saying now in New York? What are they saying, man? When is Jackson Dart gonna be starting?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What week.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Is Jackson Dark gonna be the starter? Hey, you think they want that in Cleveland? They should. They should want it, but they don't because you look Jackson Dardis play so well. It's like Russell Wilson is about to get Matt Flynn the way he did Matt Flynn. Jackson dart about to do Russ. Why ain't they giving Shadur the same opportunity?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You heard that, Ocho?

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You told him that already.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I did.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm telling you.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

But you have to understand, and this is so funny, the people that continue to say we're making excuses for Shador and the simple fact that the owner came out and said, this is not the player I wanted. Shador is not my pick. That alone, that tells you all you need to know. Kevin Stefanski, hands are tied. He asked someone else. He answered to a higher power. There's a reason why when he's asked about Shador, he has a certain look on his face. There's no excitement. He doesn't say the right things that normal coaches say about players when they do well. Even though it is just a preseason game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He'S the coach. He don't have no sale the final 53. He got no. Kevin Stefanski does not have sale of the final 53. That's Barry and that's Jimmy Haslam.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He hasn't had enough success.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's why he hasn't had enough success. If he had more success as a coach and with that team, he would have more say.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

So little input. A little input, but he died.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But. But see what happens when you get a job and you haven't had a whole lot of experience. You see now Ben Johnson, he gets to go to Chicago. He got say over the final 53. Andy Reid had say over the final 53. Sean Payton has say over the final 53. Mike Tomlin has say. But when you don't. When you don't have the kind of credentials and you get a head coaching job, you're happy just to be a. Heck, they're only 32 of these things in the world. You're one of 32. And if you happy to get one, you're like, okay, hey, I. Hey, y' all do whatever y' all want to do. I don't want to do that. I just want to coach the team. And Kevin. Kevin Stefanski is just coaching the team because all things being equal, I don't.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If me personally, I don't think he would want to carry four quarterbacks because as long as Shador Sanders is on that team, they're going to be questions. Whoosh.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

There's going to be questions. As soon as they start losing. As soon as they start losing, Flacco going to the bench and because honestly, I believe they really wanted Kenny Pickett to be the starter. Kenny Pickett just couldn't stay healthy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, see. Oh, they want to listen to me.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And you know what? I ain't gonna say. I know that for a fact. I was told that by somebody that's in that building that it was Kenny Pickett or Dylan Gabriel. I was told that by somebody that's in that building, Kenny Pickett or Dylan Gabriel.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just go dust. Y' all go ahead and talk over there. I'm just go dust. I'm dust telling you that.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Yeah, listen, you thought you talk about competing in that AFC north.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta have a quarterback. Look at the quarterback. Look at the quarterback. You got. Okay, you got two games against Joe Burrow, you got two games against Lamar Jackson, and you got two games against Aaron Rodgers. And now everybody said Aaron is. Look. Well, we'll see. He is 41. We'll see how his body holds up. Especially now in the war, as when we. You live in a nice. You live in California. Who. So it's warm pretty much near round as we start to get old. There's a reason why people go to Florida. There's a reason why old people go to Arizona. There's a reason why old people live in Nevada. Because that warm weather. Now you go back and look at Aaron Rodgers in the beginning of the season play well. And then when it got cold, he didn't play so well. But in the two games that he had in Miami, the game he had in Jacksonville. What's the weather like in Jacksonville and Miami in December, really nice. Go back and look at the games, how he played. So we'll see when the weather turns cold in Pittsburgh, in Baltimore, in Cincinnati and Cleveland, if he can stay. But you know, tried and true, Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow is going to be able to will and deal. So if you in that division, you gotta deal with those guys. And if you can't beat those guys, you can't go. One in what, one in six? One? Yeah, one in five. And think about you gonna win that division. That ain't happening.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

No, sir.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The last time Cleveland has had a quarterback that you just spoke of, like, when is it Bernie Kar.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, David, is it that?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Is it that far back? Yes, like, yes, to me. I want a guy like Shadur. I'm giving him an opportunity. If you fall on your face, you fall on your face. But you getting a chance with me. Because if I win with Shadur and I'm Kevin Stefanski, I have a lifetime of security. I'm retiring when I want to retire. If Shedeur turns out to be that guy, that, that to me is why I don't understand. And you made a point. He. He must have his hands tied because why wouldn't you want to go with a young guy? Because if he succeeds, I'm set for life. I'm a hundred million dollar coach now.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Easily, easy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, I would rather win my way. I would rather lose my way than win someone else's way.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, that's another ankism. There's another ankism right there. Chalk him up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tj. How many times have you seen coaches let me if I'm a win or lose, I'm gonna do it my way. There's a lot of times, especially in NBA when they want to play the young guys and the coach is like hell no, I'm trying to win and they get him up out of there. Cause somebody going to come in and play and going to do. Because we try to get a draft pick, we try to get Zion Williamson or we try to get Cooper flag or whomever. So coaches will say, you know what, if I'm a lose, I'mma lose my way. I ain't winning somebody else's way. You do that in the NFL, they.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Gonna be working on somebody network television, they gonna get them up out of there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, everybody. Everybody got all these, got these great, these great answers. Well, they should do this, man. Look here. I'm sitting up here on TV because I retired. Now why are you here if you got all these great, you got all these great ideas? Who I. I'm sitting up here on TV because I retired. Now explain to me, did you retire? Because if it was as easy as what you making it out to be, you should still be somewhere.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And, and that's why even everybody hopes to get to be in Mike Tomlin position, Andy Reid position, Sean Payton position, Sean McVeigh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kyle.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's every coach's dream. And the way football is now, you better have a guy under center that can fulfill that dream and make it come true.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's not the way it used to be. A brand new defense and a running game. I don't care how good your defense is. You could have, you could have the 2000 Ravens if your quarterback suck you not winning no championship. Because. Because I could guess what? See. Cause you know why? Because he's the only guy that you cannot hide. Because guess what? If I got a guy that struggles to get off press coverage, I can stack the formation, I can put his ass in motion. And I can make it difficult for you to press him so I can get a free release. If I got a weak corner, I. I can give him help over the top. I'll put him in cover too. I'll roll protected. I have. I'll buzz the linebacker. I can do things to protect him. I can slide my offensive line one way or another, or I can tell the back to chip his way out. Now you tell me how the hell do you hide your quarterback? Because I'm going to force his ass to make throws. We.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

We gonna play Pop Warner football. We gonna go, we gonna press him, we gonna put eight in the box, safety in the middle of the field. So beat us. That's what they gonna do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna make you throw it. Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And that's how you get found out to me. The way the game is evolved, it. You gotta have a really good quarterback or a great one. And you got to have some guys on the outside that can get open straight up. That's what football is today. That's what it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It ain't that hard. We make it harder than what it is, but it ain't that hard. It still play. It still played the same way. My 11 against your level. But I tell you what, your weakest 11 better not be the quarterback. I don't care about that, all that other stuff. Your weakest of your 11 better not be him.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

When you start saying the weak links on offense, if your quarterback is within the first five or six, you say you got a problem.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A real one.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

He.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He can't. He don't have to realize, but he better be one of the top three on that offense, top four at worst. And if he's not one of those, you not going where you want to go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't hide him. You usually could hide it because look, we run. You run. Hey, we run the ball. And guess what? We run the ball 35, 40 times. We throw. We throw it when we on our terms. It's third. If is second and one is third and one, we catch you off. Nah, they won't let you do that now because they've made it so conducive for you to throw it the way they protect the quarterback. And if you think about pay a guy $60 million, TJ so he could turn around and hand this ball off 45 times a game. You better kiss my butt. You will throw it. I pay you $60 million, and you better have 35, 40 touchdowns, 4,000, 5,000 yards. I am not turning paying you that kind of money to hand the ball off.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Now you're gonna throw that thing, you're gonna run it. You might have to catch it sometimes, too. Because the way in about five years, Jay Daniel's gonna get. He getting 80 million a year. Jay Daniel's getting 80. Oh, he getting 80.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

C.J.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Stroud gonna probably get about 77.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And that's where the game is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because you see Josh Allen. You see what Josh Allen got. And because the quarterback, they just. They just going up and that's where. That's what Richardson. Richardson was supposed to be in. He was supposed to be right there. He was supposed to be getting up. But see what I told him. And people all bad, you be hating on them. I said, guys, he's been labeled a project his entire career. So what?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

A project.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't move in. If I buy a building, I say this is a project. I think if I fix this thing up, I think it can be. I think it can be really good. T.J. you don't move into a project right away. You build it up. Yeah, they brought. They got the guy. They say, this guy's a project, and you throw him out there week one. What project? They didn't even. What project have they ever. Have they ever done that with Shannon? They.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They drafted Anthony Richardson, fourth overall.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Correct.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And what did they say when he came out? He didn't start enough games in college. He ain't started enough games in the league. They not giving him a fair chance. When we in school, the days that I did go and you had a project, they ain't give us a project today and say the project was due tomorrow. We had about a week or two to complete the project. It takes time. You got to do your research. You got to study. They didn't give Anthony Richardson that time. But, but. But he's not absolved of any blame because you can never, never check yourself out of game and say, you tired ever. You can't do that. And when he did that, he lost some guys in the locker room and he lost some guys upstairs. You can't do that. But with that being said, he. You can't come into the league needing experience. And then when you get to the league, they give up on you before you even get any type of experience.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who. It was him that said, the NFL is easier than college. Do everybody remember him? Saying that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He said that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He said that on the show tomorrow. He'll take that comment back.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Yeah, I don't think. I think he answered too fast. He answered too fast based on what he had seen to date before he did that interview. And he might have felt that way, but it's a whole different ball game. It's a whole different. As you can see now, you got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I played with. I played in an era with great quarterbacks. Played with a great one. You tell me, have you ever heard Brady Manning, Elway Marino, name a great quarterback that says NFL football is easier than. Easier than college football? Just tell me one.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Ain't nothing about NFL easy at any position. Ain't especially. Especially quarterback. You got to know what the entire offensive line is doing. The running backs, doing the receivers, tight ends. And then you need to know what the defense is doing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Worry about the defense. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Ain't nothing about that easy. Like being a quarterback. You basically going to med school, you studying to be an attorney, you studying to be a neuroscience. Like you. Being a quarterback takes so much time, so much commitment that nothing about it is easy. But guess what? He know now. You know? He know now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why I don't feel bad when they would want to have. Hey, man. Hey, they want to drink. Hell, I'd be drinking, too. Cause you middle. You mentally exhausted. Because you're literally thinking me when we've going up. Hey, I'm trying to beat the guy in front of me. That's what I'm worried about. Ocho. You tried to beat the guy in front of you. He got to worry about. Man, I sure hope this left tackle did his job. Man, I wonder if Ocho running the right route. Damn. Who. I wonder if. Who's got a press in the slot. Damn, man. Did the bat chip his way out? Did we slide the protection the right way? Oh, damn, I got to throw the guy open. That's every single play for 65 play. He don't.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

And then, you know, people. People look at it as they just drop back, hike the ball, and just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it. Okay. Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

That's how people do it. That's why they talk so much trash from the outside looking in, thinking that the job is easy at that level.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And then this. What people don't understand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't no job in the NFL.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Quarterback calls to play out the huddle. Have y' all noticed every. Every. Just watch the games. They walk up to the line of scrimmage, they look around, they've taken a Time. They're processing information. They don't get into that cadence right away. They look around, they thinking, okay, this will. Okay, what are they in this? What we had the process. And that's every single place. So they thinking without thinking because you want it to be second nature. Now I gotta just react. And that's where all the study during the week comes from. But they get fooled. You live to play another down. That quarterback position, man, is no joke.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nope. And the thing is, is that because he has to remember down in distance, he got to remember area on the field. He's got to remember, okay, time on the clock. I mean, most quarterbacks, they study coordinators because coordinators become head coaches and they bounce around the league. So Peyton Manning probably had a book of all. Rex Ryan was. Rex Ryan was a decoont in Baltimore, but he's the head coach in Buffalo, headed at the Jets. Tom Brady, same thing. Drew Brees, same thing. So all these quarter. All these coordinators, guess what they turn into? Be head coaches. And when they head coaches, guess what? They're going to run the defense that they ran with the D coordinator at another stop. So it gives me a. It gives me a head start on what I need to prepare for. Quarterback is not an easy position. I understand why they make the big bucks, and I ain't envious of it. Cause I don't know about y', all, but I've taken some shots that I didn't see and they hurt. So imagine just standing there, you about to throw the ball, and the dude put his helmet right in your back.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's a thankless position. And that's why I believe they get too much credit when things go well. And they take way too much of the blame when things go bad. They take. Ultimate football is the ultimate team game. 11 on 11, ultimate team game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cuz, hey, you could play great. And somebody drop a pass and then, oh, somebody miss a block, it come it really. Sometimes it comes down and you're like, one play don't win the game. Okay, when did that play happen?

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Yeah, they.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They quick to say that that'll determine if I drop a ball and it's at the end of the game. Oh, I cost y' all the game. And if we don't know that, all players on the team gonna say, oh, that play didn't cost us. Like, boy, yeah, it did.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Yeah, it did.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm. I'm mad enough to say, yeah, it did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It cost us.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I. I mean, that. That happened to me in the playoffs. I dropped the ball. You Couldn't Ray Lewis come up to me, man, ain't cost us the game. I said, ray, yeah, it did. That cost us the game. And that's. That's just the reality of it. One play can cost you a game, but a leader gonna say it can't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? Because all plays aren't created equal. All turnovers. A turnover in the first quarter is not the same as a turnover with three minutes left in the ball game. A big play in the first quarter, it doesn't have the same impact as a big play late in the ball game. Plays vary. They have different weight. And you. We understand that as a look, we all gonna say all the right thing, but under my bread, like, yeah, it did.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It cost 100%. But that's a good thing about football because we always hope, I'll be better next week. I'll be better next week. And then when next week don't come, it's like, oh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When am I gonna get. When am I gonna get my opportunity to redeem myself? Because that's the thing. That's the thing about sports is that you always get an opportunity to update your resume in some sports is sooner than other. Baseball, basketball, they play every diet every other night. You know, they play three games a week in football. You get once a week to update that resume, and you don't get to keep it. Because a lot of times, what people try to do who should. You know, this Ocho, is that a guy? Man, you, bro, I know what he did. And when he did that, I ain't taking nothing. What he's already accomplished away. Those three MVPs, those Super Bowl MVPs, those all pros, he still got those on his mantle. But I'm talking about yesterday. He was some sloth. It's really that simple. I. I ain't one of those guys that, you know, you get to. It's a legacy and you get to keep. You can play bad. And even though you got all these accolades, it. No. Hell, no. That ain't how it works in sports.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

They don't carry over like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hell, no. Not with. Not with Shannon, they don't.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's about right now. It ain't about yesterday. Tomorrow, it's right now. What are you doing right now? And that. And that's the world of sports, that is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, tj, man, we. Look, we gonna let you get with your family. We gonna let you go get some dinner, get out to eat. Hey, man, thanks for stopping by. Come back and join us.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You in the weight room, bro. You looking Kind of swollen. Your short, your shirt small.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's how you talk about me?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, Chad, what you wearing right now, bro? By like 187.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

I'm 205. Look.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That ain't no 205, TJ.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That ain't no 205, though.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

205? What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's a five on there. It's a 85 or 95, but it damn sure ain't no two in front of me.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

I'm 205 right now. For real. Because, TJ, I'm getting. I'm preparing to fight Debo in February.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I wish you the best, man. Come on.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

No, you better. Hey, hey, hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Don't wish me the best. You better wish him the best because I'm gonna beat him the up.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All right? Hey, yeah, no wrestling.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Make sure you make sure you know, no wrestling, no mma, everything.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, did you. Did you just. Did you just see what happened to Drake's duplexes with when he fought Shamaya last week?

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

I ain't got nothing to do with that, all right? I ain't got to do with that. I'm. I'm training with Khabib.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, well, you need to go. Well, you need to go to that. You need to go to that.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

No, no, Khabib down here in Miami. Me and him been training.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All right, I'm with you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm with you. I'm with you.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Yeah, see.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I gotta make sure you're preparing. I'm with you, dog.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

We've been training the past month.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, tj, man, thanks for stopping care, fellas.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

You too, Ocho. You ain't gonna believe this. Kansas State quarterback Avery Johnson's father was in a fist fight with his other son in the parking lot after today's loss in Dublin, Ireland. Oh sure. Take a look at this.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Who was fighting?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The quarterback's dad and his brother. So the quarterback for K State, that's his dad and his brother. So that's his son that's fighting the dad.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Well, what in the world going on? What they. Alcohol in the system? Hey, I, I would, I would love the backstory on this too. I would love it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Ain't nobody who won the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

K State laws. Okay, I, I don't look to be in a situation that you fight your dad. You got no respect for your dad. I can see if, I can see if it's a family situation where the mom is involved and he shove it. I get all that, Ocho. But in a situation like this, at a ball game and it's out in.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Public and you know, you got to think about other dynamics too and other elements that, that, that can cause stuff like this. Drinking alcohol, being in the game, having fun again, emotions are high. You lose the game. Some things might be said in exchange and, and stuff like that happens now when we talk about family incidents and we talk about fights and stuff, stuff like this, you know, stuff like this happens especially, especially in our, in, in our culture in general.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, and that's what's, that's what's.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

So sad to see it happen and be and displayed in public like that is very, it's very unfortunate. Very, very, very.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, let me tell you something. Let me tell you how alcohol work. You won't do anything intoxicated. You hadn't at least thought about sober because your mind won't allow you to go there. You see people's people, hey, they stole a bull, they stole an 18 wheeler, or they stole a bulldozer, or they did something reckless. But you thought about that while you were sober. Alcohol broke down the, the inhibitions and gave you the, gave you the courage, that's what they call it, liquid courage, to go do what you did. I don't care how drunk I got. I ain't finna fight my brother. I ain't gonna fight my parents.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

And it's so funny, you see videos like this all the time, Monk fighting each other, whether it be sisters, whether hell. And I don't mean to bring up stories, I don't mean to bring up stories, but obviously, you know the story of my mom, you know, Ms. Hurricane Paula. And I remember getting a phone call from my little brother one time, man, you need to come home, man. What you mean, come home? I can't come home, boy, it's football season, you know, I'm locked in.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Well, mommy done jumped on grandmama. They, they out there in the grad, they out there in the grass and they tough. I'm like, man, boy, go out there and stop it. What are you calling me for? I'm all the way in Cincinnati, there's nothing I can do. I can phone call once I get, once I get out of, you know, I'm like, come on, Chauncey. So I mean, that's why I, I kind of understand it. I get it. Because I've been in the situation before. Wasn't, Wasn't present for it. But after hearing my grandma's side of the story, hearing my mama's side of the story, I'm like, come on, y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Now you, you need to stop drinking, Grandma, you need to stop talking to her like that. It. But it happens. It happens.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, they talk about, man, you won't have good luck hitting the old people. You're right. You won't have good luck. If I'm the old person, you won't have no good. You absolutely right. You are absolutely right.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Put them hands on them all. Dan. That's sad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I've have a, I have a relationship with my kids that I've explained to them. Our dynamic won't ever change. No matter how wealthy you become. No matter how poor I become, I'm your father. You'll always be my child. So we're going to keep this dynamic the way it is. I might be in a situation where I can't do for myself, and you'll have. Now all of a sudden, you will have to be the parent in the room. But I'm still the parent. I've explained that to my kids. My kids understand that. And when things got to a point where, you know, hey, let's just. Hey, let's just take some time, hey, we'll reconvene in a couple of days. We'll reconvene in a week. I don't need you to say something you regret. I don't want to say something I regret. Ain't nobody going to put their hands on nobody because everybody grown here. Even when my kids weren't going to get to a certain age, I was like, look, y' all know right from wrong. I'm not going to discipline you like by. By put. By, you know, putting my hands on you, spanking you and doing all that kind of stuff. I physically, I punch him up here to slap him or anything like that. But I say, you're to the age now. I feel I can talk to you. You understand? Tim Fitzgerald. Go at. Go at. Powercast has confirmed there was a post game confrontation at Aviva Stadium involving Mark Johnson, father of Kansas State quarterback Avery Johnson, and another man believed to be Mr. Johnson's eldest son. According to witnesses, the conflict turned physical. According to one source, no arrests were made stemming from the incident. There's reportedly a video of the disagreement and at least one eyewitness is tied to Kansas State athletics. Kansas State lost to Iowa State 24, 21 in the. Well, College Football Classic. Avery Johnson completed 21 of 30 passes, 273, two touchdowns. He also ran for a touchdown.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

But that was a good game. Did you get a chance?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he had a good.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

That was a good game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it was. But the thing is, Ocho, if you can't handle your alcohol, don't drink. This is. This is. This is. This is awful. Look, this is the starting quarterback of a D1 school. His dad and his brother are rolling, are fighting. It's raining. They're in.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

You know. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I hate people that act slow. Stop with the bs. Like this is normal in our community. So now we sitting here acting like this. Don't ha. I'll tell you about. I take.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, we're not saying that. It doesn't Happen. But you have to also understand, just because it happens doesn't make it right.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Someone's saying, stop acting like it's not normal. I mean, what.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What rock?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It ain't.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What rock?

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

What rock are we living under when we see it every single day? Every single day, we see families. Families. It's us all the time. How many more examples? We need something like, it's not normal. It is normal. I've been seeing it all my life. I hate when people say dumb shit. Not you. I'm not talking about you, Unc. I'm just talking in the chat, like, what are you talking about? God damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It. Just. It's just tough to see because we got. We got enough without us fighting ourselves. We got enough to fight a.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

A big battle, a bigger battle outside.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We got enough. We got enough issues that don't involve us. I've been. I've been stopped arguing with people of my complexion.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Act like they live under a rock, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I'll let y'.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'll let y' all have it. Yo, you know, this is how y' all feel. Y' all say, okay, cool. I'm good. I move on. I. I think I just have more pressing things going on than to argue with someone that looks like me, that even though they didn't come from a familiar background like mine, it's not even worth it anymore. Ojo.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

No, I'm. I'm just saying. In general. I'm just saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know what you're saying. I know exactly.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

I'm not saying it's right. But to sit here and act like it doesn't happen is not prevalent in our culture, and try to sit here, act like you part of the goddamn royal family, like, that's not true.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Like, what do you talk about?

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

What do we talk about? Like, come on, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

I need a drink, and I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hemothy underscore Jordan. So what's the difference between Sanders and Skull Shuck's performance? Y'? All Dogma boy, But he's been playing pretty good. The difference is, is that Shook is getting first team, second team reps. He's being put in a situation where he can succeed. The other guy isn't. When he had as an opportunity to go in as a starter and they ran competent plays, he played well. When he didn't play well, Ocho and I came out here and said, Shadur did not play well tonight. He has to do a better job of when the player is not there, don't exacerbate it and make it worse by taking a sack. But I see what you're trying to do. Oh, no. When Shuck didn't play well, we said he didn't play well. When Shador didn't play well, we said he didn't play well. The only difference is Shook is getting first and second team reps. Nate Godwin, they took him out because they were trying to win the game, which they did. Shador was taking 40 yards, sacked 14. So you won the game where the guy is not going to be on your roster. So let me ask you a question. So if something happens to the first two guys, let's just say for the sake of argument, they go with four quarterbacks. All the three, the first three get hurt. So are you going to sign. Are you going to sign a Snoop Huntley off the street and bring him in, or are you going to go with your door? I'm just asking you, Nate. Let me know what you're thinking.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Hey, you know what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Normally I think the guy. I thought I. I thought the objective was, okay, let's get the guys that's going to be on this team. Let's get them ready to play. Let's put them in a situation that they could potentially face. So what's the likelihood now if the fourth quarterback is going to be Snoop Huntley, by all means, he should have got that final drive. But if it's not, he should not have been in there.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Hey, it's going. Listen, we doing all that. We doing all the discourse. Who's starting for the Cleveland Browns? Who's the quarterback? Who's number two? Who's number three? Boy, when football season start. You not listen to me. When football season start and all these teams have gotten completely better and they got to compete in that goddamn AFC north against them Ravens. Matter of fact, you know what? I'm not gonna say nothing. You'll see. Week one. You'll see. You'll see Week one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Every week they send Shadow into a gunfight with a Super Soaker. Yes, your door has to stop drifting in the pocket and start playing. Stop playing hero ball. But it's gotta get. It's getting out of hand with the Browns. Yes, he drifts. There are play. There are situations that he should have stepped up and he went. He went lateral. He doesn't have the foot speed to outrun people laterally. Just doesn't. He's got to do a better job and understand every play isn't meant for you. To be successful. Sometimes success is the formal Joe of an incompletion throwing it out of bounds. Sometimes success is shaking the ball down. Sometimes success is knowing when the journey is over. He has to do a better job of understanding that he wants to make every play. And there's not been a quarterback in the history of the game nor will there ever be to make every play. Jason's Zeldorf Sanders short what he is today, a bum, a diva. Haha. The Sandals fanboys gonna cry in their basement or in their mama's arms while Jackson Dart is lighting it up and showing he's the real deal again. He's in there with starters. He's in there throwing to guys that are gonna be on the roster. I mean I, I'm trying to figure.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Out what you guys, they are doing that on purpose. They are purposely doing that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm a firm believer. I give credit when it's due. I've been hounding. Hey I, I said the first game he played, I said Ocho, he played well. He came out played well against Ocho. He looked really good and I was like hey, he held. He gonna challenge me. He gonna play sooner than later. I've given credit. I don't know, I don't I but I look I appreciate you watching the show and dropping a thing in the chat but if you watched us. Well you know what? Just because you're in the chat that'll mean you talking to Ocho and I because I think we've been very complimentary of Jackson Dart. So Rev Debo, let your door either get cut or traded. I would love for him the team to be the chief let and to have him and then flip him for picks down the road. That would be great. Let him, you know, a veteran quarterback, he doesn't have to play. He just get better get those scout team reps. Ocho, we know what Andy can do with a quarterback that goes without. That goes without saying. West the Browns fan. Browns fan here. I'm sorry but what normally happens when your third string quarterback, you don't play with starters. Absolutely. You do. When you play, when you play as well as he did in his first start you absolutely get reps in practice with the ones and twos. Now I'm not telling you I'm not a fan. I was a former player and I was a former player that started off at third and fourth teams that played well in a preseason game and got repped with the ones and twos. So Wes, you talking as a fan? I'm telling you I ain't telling what somebody told me. I'm telling you what I know. That is exactly the way it always goes.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

That's the way it's always gone. Always.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The latter part of your question, this problem has always been he's holding on to the ball too long. I agree. He does. He holds on to the ball too long. He's trying to make every play. Sometimes I think he's trying to play hero ball. Get the. Sometimes hero ball is throwing the ball out of bounds. Sometimes it's checking it down to the back. Sometimes it's getting the ball out of your hand. That's okay. Every player is not meant to get 10, 15, 20, 30 yards. And he has to understand that. Spiritual war exposed. No, it don't come down with Sanders name. It comes down to being black in America. That kid just wants to play ball. And white media comes with circus and blame Sanders for it. Look, I just would look, it might not be in Cleveland. His opportunity to play in the National Football League might not be in the Cleveland. It just might not be.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Might not be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jimmy Cleveland said, it's sad, but y', all, they're keeping Shadow 4 for merchandise and seating, using him. Gabriel has no merchandise on the website. My question is, why were teammates so distant and some even laughing, including Dylan, who last game he sat aloof after poor. After his poor performance. SS I felt tension all around him today. It was obvious. Look, I. I don't. Look, in the preseason, being a vet, I mean, after my second. After my second year, first, the second year, I still felt like a rookie because now I'm a bona fide tight end. I know what. So after my second year, so going into my third year, I kind of felt like a vet. And, you know, hey, I conducted myself like that. You know, obviously, Dan wasn't big on that, we losing and all that Kiki Ki ing. So, you know, if you were laughing, you don't. Hey, the way these guys be Kiki Ki in on the sideband, why they losing? Yeah, even in the preseason, Dan didn't play that. Mike Shanahan didn't play that. Best like that, man. So they'll get it figured out. At least I hope they do. Jordan Halfer. Let me get. Let me get oo going, man. I'm 31 years old, construction worker, and can throw the ball better than Shador. Stop the hype.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

All right? You got it, you got it, you got it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If Shador gets released and the Saints or the Steelers don't pick him up, do you think he gets Another shot in the league.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Yes, Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Huh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Shador had the same problem in college. Held on the ball way too long, refused to throw it away. Led the NCAA and sacks taken last two years he played. He could get away with it in college, not in the NFL. You're correct. He does hold on to the ball far too long. Mr. Jet Life. How can fans sit there and judge a quarterback play without intimately watching offensive line play? It's ridiculous. Five is not out there with practice squad linemen, but 12 is Jalen Lister. What do the Browns do when Deshaun Watson gets back? How much more money does he have guaranteed left on that contract? Is it up after this year? I don't think desean Watson is coming back this year. So if you mean 26, that's going to be open for debate. So he have. So whatever he has left is on 26. He'd have no money left at the 26. Wow. Kingman said. Shay stop saying these MMA guys will beat a boxer in a street fight. These leg hugging guys will quickly get put to sleep by a boxer. Sweet science.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Oh. Oh, that's. Hey, that's. I don't know. Matter of fact.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In a street fight.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Street fight where anything goes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm taking myself. I'm taking my chance. I'm taking my chance because the first.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Thing you're gonna do is they're gonna go low. Yeah, they're going low right away. And obviously boxes aren't. They aren't ready for that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, Jon Jones gonna kick somebody dead in their face right upside the head. Then what Tone Z said Uncle Nocho, give me three things you would do. If the Saints gym trade AK and Drake London to get picks. I think they should just blow the whole thing up and start over.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Hold on. AKA and Drake London.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Drake London?

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Where?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Drake London is in Atlanta, right?

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's talking about AK as album Camaro.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

No, that don't make no sense. They got Bijan Robinson. There would be no need for that switch to even happen. They need a goddamn quarterback.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what that was about. Jacob Motor Ocho Trivia question. Which rapper said in the game I'm no cheetah, I'm a tiger, I'm a cougar, I'm a Panther, I'm a binger. Ochocinko. His song came out 1907.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

That was Lil Wayne. I remember that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I take your word for but I don't know. J Money say we love the show. Happy birthday to my woman. Re Re Happy birthday J Money wanted to say tell you happy birthday. Hopefully he did something very, very pleasant for you and he did not take you to one of those 28 spots. Well, you is woman. So clearly y' all done got that out the way. So only one of me three said uncle no Cho. Can y' all give my newborn son a welcome to the world? Makai Josiah Pierce, born August 20th. Yes, we can. Makai Josiah, welcome to the world.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

I can babysit, too. Let me know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, with your impatient ass. You call. You call what you call.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

I'm impatient when it comes to kids. I got 211 kids.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's okay. And you call grandpa to come get. What's the baby show Exactly. See French fry. French fry. Do it up there. French fry like peace. It's truly godly. Do you see? Do you see him going to CFL for trials next year to make a full return if he gets cut, since the NFL isn't going to let him and let him back easily. No, I think he's going to get a chance. I do. Maybe not with the Browns, but I think he's going to get a chance. Danky 65 free shadow. He's our son. Not watching Browns anymore. Damn. Boosie said I paid for super chat just for Ocho not to give me a serious answer. Last night. I wanted to know how does a guy run a 4240 and up with a 91 speed? Ocho, the guy runs so 4. 2, he should be at least 98.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

He's a 4 2, right? He's a 91 right now. So I want to see 4 2, week 1, week 2, week 3, week 4, week 5, and so on. And then I'll raise his rating.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He. He's saying at 4:2, considering they're not very many 4:2.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

No, I'm. I don't. I don't want to hear that. It's. It's a few four twos in the NFL. I want to see four two when it actually count. Not running in a straight line. The game of football is not playing a straight line. So show me four two on the field. Like Tyreek. When Tyreek plays, He shows us 42 all the time. He's been doing it over, over what, damn near a decade now. So. Matthew Golden, Young Bull. Show me, folks every week and you'll be where you need to be. Simple.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right. Ocho wouldn't believe what happened to me today. I had to call into work because I dreamed the Bengals won the first five games.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Hey, that's probably what's gonna happen. That's probably what's gonna happen. We might win the first 10. Actually, we might win the first 10. Joe Burrow decided to play in the preseason. Jamar, Chase T. Higgins and everyone else on that offense, you know, the coach.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Decided to play them in the season.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

This was. This was their choice. This was their choice. They said they wanted to play. Huh? And that's going to be the difference and why we'll be in San Francisco come first week of February.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did they say they didn't want to play last year?

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

Yeah, they didn't want to play last year. They were paid last year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What about the year before? Two? Cool.

[TJ Hoosh Manzada]

School. Okay, we started.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That concludes this. Go ahead. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. We want to thank you for joining us again. I'm your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp. My partner and co host, Liberty City's own bingo ring of fame honoree, the Pro bowl of the all Pro, he's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. Please make sure y' all hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And guys, do us a favor. Go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. We'd like to thank each and every one of you for your eyes, your ears, and your word of mouth for helping Nightcap become the phenomenon in which we've become My cognac le Portier. Just head over to laportier.com to grab your bottle. Please go. Follow my media company page on all of his platforms. Shay Shay Media and my clothing company, 84. With 84 being spelled out, the link is pinned in the chat. Thank you, Rashawn Gary, for joining us. Thank you, TJ Hoosh Manzada for also joining us. We really appreciate you guys in the chat tonight. I'm. He's Ocho. We'll see you tomorrow. Peace.

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