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Schefter reports that the Dolphins and Cardinals are both looking to trade TUA and Kyler Murray. Murray counts 52.7 against the cap Tour carries a 56.3 million dollar cap yet Ocho if you had one quarterback to bet on having a career bounce back similar to Sam Darnold. You taking TUA or you taking Kyler?
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Oh, that's a good. Oh, that's a good one. Honestly, as far as having a bounce back similar to that of Sam Dar, Sam Darnold, That, that's not possible.
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Yeah. What team you putting them on?
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I mean, the team you would have to put them on, you'd have to move the current quarterback who's already, who's already a top, top quarterback at his position in the team he's already on. I mean, there are no scenarios that. There are no situations where Kyler Tool can go to a team that has a phenomenal defense with good pieces, will have something similar to that of JSN or a Cooper cup and have a Kenneth Walker in the goddamn backfield that could just plug yourself in and all you have to do is play good football at the court position. Don't turn the ball over, let your defense do the job. There are no scenarios, there are no hypotheticals you can make up because all the, all the good teams that are on the verge already have a starting quarterback. There's really nowhere they can go, man.
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I'm trying to, I'm just being honest. I'm trying to figure out where you could put them. The Jets.
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I mean, I can see Khaled going to the Jets. I can see that. But you're still back in the same position.
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I'm just trying Atlanta.
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Who?
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Either one of them.
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Nah, you already have one left handed quarterback. You don't need a second. You already have one. That's mobile. You already have.
A
You think Penny's mobile?
B
Somewhat. A little bit. He's more mobile than two of.
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Is he more mobile than Kyler? Absolutely not. You like Kyler in Atlanta.
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Okay.
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Oh, I mean, when you, when you survey the market, there's not a whole lot of places they can go.
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No, it's not. I mean, I understand that and I'm, I'm trying to say it in the nicest way possible where they can actually flourish and, and, and kind of elevate the team. There are no situations like that. There's not, there aren't any. Maybe they can do a team swap, you know, Miami, I mean, Tua goes for Miami.
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I don't think maybe the Steelers, if Aaron Rodgers don't come back, but it seems like he, I. They don't know what he's gonna do. Mike McCarthy, he's very familiar with Mike McCarthy.
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He coming back. You know, Aaron Rodgers gonna draw it Out. He gonna keep the eyes on him. He gonna keep the attention on him as long as he can. Have everybody not have to go to OTAs. Yeah, not that. That too. And if he didn't want to go, he doesn't have to go. But yeah, he'll be back. Obviously McCarthy and him have a situation. They played together, they've had success together. And I'm sure he's probably going to come back wanting to play for a coach that he's familiar with.
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I'm thinking, man, I'm trying to put. I'm trying to wrap my head work. I mean, they can't go nowhere in NFC west because AFC west because it seems like the Raiders are going to take Mendoza Herbert isn't the Chargers B. Knicks and Patrick Mahomes. So that's a no go. Let's go say let's go see the AFC East. You got the Jets. They're not going to Buffalo. They not going to the Patriots. So. And Miami is trying to get rid of one now like you said, maybe Kyler comes there. Okay, let's go to the AFC South. Jacksonville. No. Houston. No. Tennessee. No ending. No AFC north.
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Everybody.
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Cleveland.
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No.
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No. Cincinnati.
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Come on now. Baltimore, child, please.
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Pittsburgh.
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Ah, now that, that's a toss up. Aaron Rodgers comes back for a year. You sit behind Aaron Rogers, man, you.
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Ain'T paying nobody no 50 something million dollars to sit on no damn bench.
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I mean, hey, it, it's not looking good.
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It's not.
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When you, when you break, when you break it down that way. I didn't even have to break it down the way you did. I just understood there, there are no opportunities, you know, to be able to go anywhere else and, and have that, that, that fairy tale ending that, that Sam don't know.
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Detroit's a no. Green Bay is a no. Minnesota's probably a no. Dallas is a no. The Giants is a no. Washington is a no. The Eagles are no. Let's go to the south. Tampa is a no. Atlanta, maybe let's say hypothetical Atlanta. Carolina.
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No.
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New Orleans. No.
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No. I think they think Tyler Shook is the answer for answer long term.
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Exactly. So you go to NFC West. Seattle. No. San Fran. No. Rams. No. In Arizona. So when you really look at it, Ocho, there's only a handful of places.
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Yeah, it ain't even a handful.
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Okay, maybe two. Two or three. That's it.
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You know, and those. And those. The team you don't want to go to because you're right back at the same situation you just left. Yeah, that, that's that's. That bad is bad. It's tough. And. And for the teams that are left, you have to be that much better to be able to make a difference.
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Yes.
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You have to be that much better at the. At the quarterback position to move the needle for that team. You need the quarterbacks right now that are free, that are on the move, need teams that can elevate their level of play. They're not going to do it anywhere else.
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I'm trying to figure out. Oo. How did. I don't know how Kyler fell off so quick, you know, something I don't know.
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Injury. Unki got hurt. That's it. He got hurt. He got hurt. That knee, you know, I mean, that. That's. That's an important part of. Of what he does, you know, being able to move, being able to get him. Get himself out the pocket, being able to extend plays, create plays and play off script. He's not like he can sit back there, go from under center and drop back and see over everybody. He has. He has to move and he has to be rolled out. And I mean, you know, he has to have a specific game plan offensively to use, you know, to play to his strengths.
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I just. It's just hard for you to win a game like his style of play. You've got to learn to throw the football from the pocket. Yeah. I wish I could tell you. Look at. Go back and look at the quarterback. Study the quarterbacks.
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I haven't watched enough film on the Monk. You would know better than I have. I don't get to see Arizona.
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Like you said, he's small. He's small, yeah. Height, stature.
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Yes.
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You're talking about a guy, what, 5, 9, 5, 10 ish?
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If that. Yeah. Baker Mayfield. Same.
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I think Baker's about six.
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Okay.
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The problem, Ocho, is that he's gonna have to escape. You know what? He's gonna have to escape what was written into his contract.
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Oh, gaming.
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Yep. It's hard to overcome that. I gotta write. I gotta write in Ocho's contract. You're gonna work on your routes, Ocho. You're gonna study at least 10 hours a week away from the facility. And then your agent allow them to put that into the contract and you sign it.
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Right.
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How? They didn't think that was going to get out.
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You know, they. They gonna snitch on you. They gonna snitch the house, as I call it, the house. Gonna snitch on you every time.
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Everybody.
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Every. Every time. A source.
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But he said that he likes Gaming, you know, when he's away from football, this thing got to be awkward. If you play that position now, maybe a wide receiver, maybe some other position.
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Yeah.
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But if you play that position, it's all encompassing.
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Yeah. You gotta be. Gotta.
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It's all encompassing. Imagine just the way it is. So I know that whatever that man do in his free time. Okay.
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Right.
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Okay. He can do whatever you want to do in his free time. Okay. As long as that free time involves studying, how good it comes down to this, how great do you want to be?
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Yeah. Well, you. You got to be able to do something outside of. Outside of that. I think we. We had a conversation.
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So what they did what they put out of his contract. So what was he doing outside of his. More than studying, what was he doing?
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Yeah, I'm. I'm assuming on the game, they felt he was on the game more than he was studying.
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Before they caught. You realize before they caught on, you know, those tablets, teams could see, actually how much you studied.
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Yeah.
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How much time they called, they just caught on recently. So everybody going home, taking the tablet home, they didn't realize that the teams could see how you cut it on and when you cut it off and actually how much time it took him a while.
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Yeah. You know what? You know what would occur that whether he opened that tablet or not, whether he played games or not, if you're winning, if you win, if you're not.
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Studying, you're not winning.
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Winning, winning. You're winning cures.
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If you're not studying at that position, you not winning.
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Yeah. Oh, that all depends on how.
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I don't give a damn how great you are not at that position because the defenses are too complex.
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Ocho, what did Pat Mahomes say?
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What do you say?
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After his first super bowl.
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He didn't really know what he was doing. He was studying his ass off. He just didn't know what he was doing.
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I mean, study. Studying your ass off and still not knowing the answers and having success is. Is damn. That's damn.
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So you. So in other words, you saying Patrick Mahomes. So you saying Patrick Mahomes was doing what? What Kyler was doing?
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No, what I just said. What I just said was, is winning cures all. He won. He won not knowing what he was doing. That's how great he is. Kyler Murray's not goddamn Patrick Mahomes. Therefore, you put all those clauses in there. You think Pat Mahone plays video games? Probably. So I'm not.
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I'm not so sure Tom Brady paid Manning but how much? Cause the question is, it's not whether he's playing. How much time is he devoting to that? And as opposed to devoted to his.
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Right, as opposed to craft.
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Everybody has stuff that they do outside.
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Yeah. Tom don't play no damn video games. And Manning don't play.
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I know. I just said that.
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Yeah, I could. I could tell you that. No, they do not. Nah, It.
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How great do you want to be, man? See, a lot of people. Oh, a lot of people say they want to be great at a. Everybody wants success until it's time to do things that cause you to be successful. Everybody wants to be great until it's time to do things that in order for you to be great, like sacrifice. The number one key to greatness is sacrifice, because you must be willing to give up something.
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Something. Yeah. And after you give that up, you have to have the discipline to follow through consistently.
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What discipline is. Actually, Even if you sacrifice, you have to have the discipline to follow through with it.
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Yeah.
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Because, see, even. Even. Even when I sacrifice something, Ocho, do I have the discipline to go out there and train?
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Yeah.
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Do I. Do I have that? And. And I think the thing is, look, a lot of times, Ocho, the biggest thing is what I've seen from my time, and you let me know what you think. I see guys that come in that's immensely talented and they got away with such certain things in college, and they think they can come to the NFL and still do certain. Certain things.
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Doesn't work that way.
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The guys are too good, man.
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You'll get exposed. You'll get exposed in NFL because the margin of error is so small, because everyone else is just as good as you. Everyone else is just as good as you. And it's the small. The small things that. That. That. That differentiate between you and the next person.
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You hear Spoon, one little niche. You hear Spoon saying, well, we got a tail on their guards and tackles or how they said. And so we knew. We knew. If we did think about it. He said there was a tail. They didn't even know they were doing it. Yeah, they didn't know they were doing it. No joke.
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Right?
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So that's how small they're looking for any little. I mean, this. Yeah, this. The games are decided like that. That's why a lot of times defensive linemen like to listen to the snack to the. The TV copy because they want to hear the quarterback's voice inflection. They want to get his cadence zoom in a. Zoom in on the center's Hand. Let me see if he's squeezing the ball. Let me see. Let me see how he's setting. Is it a run or a pass? Let me see what this receiver is doing. Left leg up, right leg up. Every time he's right leg up, he running that bang. Yeah, he don't even know. He don't think we know. But when that leg go up. I told you what AG Jump it.
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Yeah, I told you what AG Told me. Aaron.
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Aaron.
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Glenn.
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Hey.
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Hey, Ocho. Every time you come out the huddle, I know it's a run play. Because you come out to the huddle, relax and do nothing. Every time it's a pass, you tight. You fix your glove, you tighten them up. You take the strip, you take the strap across and you tighten them up. I say, AJ A G. I said, AG how the hell you paying attention to all that? Man, I'm looking for any and everything, boy. As a veteran, I look for any and everything. And I'm. And he told. He told me after the game.
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Yeah, anything. I'm looking at how you. How you stagger your stance. It's gonna tell me if you come in on the blitz or you drop any coverage, right? You square? Okay. You gonna try to set the edge? You trying to get. I mean. Yes, Ocho, we know. We need to know coverage. Okay. Did we come out here? We had a base formation, 21 personnel, two wide receivers, tight end, two backs. Oh, come out. We come out 11 personnel. We come out 12 personnel, 13 personnel. We come out empty. Okay, I understand certain formations. Ocho on first down, this is the coverage they like to give. Well, second down. This is the coverage I like to give. Okay, Second and short. Second and long. Third and short. Third long. I want to know the coverages, but I also need to know what this mofo gonna do. How does he get to said coverage?
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Right?
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It's the little stuff. He who hesitates beat. Bless.
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Thank you.
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You ain't want to do this.
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I said I chew.
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And then you gonna go shake somebody head too.
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Lord have mercy, it's 11 o' clock at night. Matter of fact, it's 11:11. Chat. Wish yourself some type of luck of whatever it is people do at 11:11. But I'm home. I'm home by myself. Ain't nobody gonna shake nobody hand.
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Tomorrow you will. I sneeze and you know you don't like the shower.
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Hey, hey. Huh? Listen, I take a good. I take a good shower once a week. That's all I need. I don't have nobody to impress I'm not running up my water bill when I'm not going nowhere. I'm not doing that. I love my water bill to be under 50.
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I take a shower to go to the gym. See?
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Come on, man. You. I mean, what.
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What you doing, man? I take a shower to go to the gym, man. I brush my teeth to walk the dog. I get up early in the morning, I brush my teeth to walk the dog.
B
You brush your teeth to walk?
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Yeah. Oh, what if I see somebody.
B
That makes absolutely no sense. That makes.
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What if I have. What if somebody walking they dog and they're going to carry on the conversation and I'm in there and I'm in them people face breast. Miller. Like, get back.
B
No, no, you get up, Chad.
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Y' all leave your house without brushing your teeth. Let's just say for the sake of argument, y' all going somewhere quick. And you wake up in the morning, Chad, do y' all brush your teeth before y' all leave the house?
B
Well, you said leave the house. You said walking the door.
A
That's leaving the house. Well, you think I'm walking him in the house? No, you.
B
You ain't going.
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You ain't going nowhere.
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I'm. Man, listen, I'm grabbing a leash and I'm walking my ass out the goddamn door with my phone. Now, if it's time to eat, you brush your teeth before it's time to eat. Oh, I'm gonna. No, that's. You're wasting water again. You not. You got. You got to think and learn how to save, minimize when and when you don't use your water.
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I'm doing what they call intermittent fasting now, Ocho, so I don't eat before 11 o'.
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Clock.
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Wait, faster. I eat my last meal at about 7. Well, I ate my last meal about 6. About 6 o' clock tonight. Normally, I'll eat my last meal around 7, 7:30. And I won't eat again until about 11, 11:30, maybe even 12. So I'll walk the dog, I brush my teeth, I walk the dog. I come back, I lay back down for about an hour. I get up, I brush my teeth to go get on the bike to work out, right? I come back in, I eat breakfast, I take a shower. Obviously, I got to brush my teeth before I take a shower, right?
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Okay, well, I do. I do my. I do my English. I do mine in the shower. I have everything set up in the shower.
A
That's nasty, man.
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What are you talking about, man? You get in the shower, lather up. Hey, you Know about that? That you know about that dial? That Dial Cranberry soap? No. Or you use body wash?
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I use body wash. I had used bar soap. But you still use bar soap?
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Yeah. Hey, what? That Dial Cranberry Unknow. I can't even find it no more. I can't. Dial, Dial. If you happen to see this at some point, can you please. I think it's discontinued. They don't have it anymore. The Dial Cranberry soap. I need more. Please do me that favor. Hey, Unc. Now I do have body wash, right? The young, the young lady, the young lady that cleans my house, her name is Ms. Yvonne. She bought me peppermint. It come in a clear jar. Like some peppermint, some peppermint soap. And when it touch your body, tingle. It make you feel like you cold.
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Okay.
B
Yeah, So I, I use it once, but I haven't used it outside of that. So I do have that body wash outside that I love my Dial Cranberry soap. And I brush my teeth while I'm in the shower.
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I, I, I ain't never did. I, I hate man, I, I used to, boy. Oo, I ain't gonna lie. I'll be in the shower when I was in college, cuz we had community showers in college. You know how that is, Ocho. You know, you got. I think we had one, two, three. I think we had probably like six, maybe eight showers, man. Guys start brushing their teeth. I get out the shower. It annoyed me. I don't know why stuff just annoyed me. Stuff like. But it just annoyed me. I'm like, bro, you brush your teeth. The guys lathered up, slapping soap suds and every, every damn way. Hell no, man. Don't worry about it, man. I'm just gonna get on me. Y' all have it now.
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Hey, wait. One stop shop. One stop. One stop shop. And it's very convenient. It's convenient for me, you know, to be able to get in the shower and knock, knock one or two or three birds out with one stone instead of having a shower, get out, dry off, brush my teeth. I mean, it's just, it's.
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Oh yeah, everybody. Yeah. So you have. Yeah, I absolutely have on shower shoes that guys nasty. They be peeing and like, Ocho be spitting. All right.
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Yeah.
A
Nah, man, nah.
B
Everybody, everybody wears shower shoes.
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Lord have mercy. Ah, I, I see if I come to ooh, House, I'm gonna have on shower shoes and in, in the shower.
B
Yeah, I would hope so. I have a, I have a pair of shower shoes. And I really don't have guests outside of my kids. And even I make my kids wear shower shoes in their own bathrooms.
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No, I don't wear shower shoes in my sh. My thing clean. You want to, want to pee in the shower? I will get out the shower and pee. You pe. Oh, Lord have mercy. Joe, this man paused. This man. Pee in the shower. Hold on.
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You don't pee in the shower. You got to get out. You tripping.
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Stay at the hotel. Stay up in the hotel that's close by.
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Who the hell gets out the shower to pee? What are we talking about me for what chat Y' all get out the shower to pee. I know. And they better not lie. Everybody's trying to act all goddamn bougie. The water's already running. What you getting out? Aim down the drain.
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I'm good. Like I say, just let me know the closest hotel to you. I, I, I'm good.
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Ain't no hotels 20 miles.
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Ain't no damn hotel no 20 miles.
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Hey, 20 miles, man. I got my head by myself.
A
Hold on. How you a hotel 20 miles from you?
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Yeah, I mean, the nearest hotel is 20 miles from me.
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Brown's tight end David and Joe, who is headed towards free agency and he confirmed today that he will not return to Cleveland and Joku wrote on Instagram Cleveland, first off, I love you. These nine years have been a beautiful journey. I'm so grateful for all the memories we've shared together. Thank you to the Haslam, Andrew Barry and the whole Browns organization for everything. All my teammates I shared the battle with. I'm grateful for you guys. The time for me to find a new home has come and all I can think of is this gratefulness in my heart. The city of Cleveland will forever be home and Joku's contract voids on March 12 and the Browns will be charged a deep cap hit of 24 million for 2026 unless they use one of their two post June 1 cuts to split the cap over the next two years. The Browns use the 29-9-20, the 2017 number 29 overall draft pick owning Joco and Joku. And he leaves ranked second in team history among tight ends with 384 receptions, 34 touchdown. Only hall of Famer Ozzy Newsom has more. Rookie Harold Fanning Jr. Though emerged at the team's top tight end in 2025 with 72 receptions, 731 yards and six touchdowns. And Joku missed 11 games with injuries in the past two seasons.
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Where I mean it's a lot of teams that can use a healthy and Joku.
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Yeah.
B
Good in the run game. Good in the past game. Good team player, you know. Good. Good dude. Great high energy guy too, man. Good character dude. Man. I'm just curious where he would want to go. Where would he want to go? Obviously.
A
Obviously you want to go somewhere to throw the football and you ain't gonna use you.
B
That. That the highest bidder as well. Damn, that's a good one. Trying to think of some of the teams that can use the Titan, obviously. Likely.
A
Andrews gave him three years, $40 million. So he's up there, right?
B
Damn. God. Oh, that. That's. That's. I love when players have this, this opportunity to be able to hit the open market like this too. I'm just trying to think what is a good.
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Maybe the 49. Maybe the 49ers. George Kittle tore down Achilles Ocho.
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Okay. I could. Because he can do similar to what George Kittle does. Similar. I'm not saying he's George Kittle.
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I don't think he can block like Kiddo.
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I mean he's good in the run game because he's strong as hell.
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But Kittle's Kittle's Kittle might be the best blood run blocking tight end. Well, I feel comfortable saying he's the best run blocking title in the league. He blocked like an offensive lineman. That's why they're so good in the run game. Yeah, you got. Yeah, you got Dub up there. But Kittle, Kittle. Hey, kiddo. Taking. Taking D lineman and. And. And folding. Yeah, the commanders could use a tight end. Remember Ertz towards acl. He's on the older side coming back off that injury. Oh, there's some teams. There are a lot of teams. He'll have more choices than the two quarterbacks we just talked about previously.
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Yes. Yes.
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Will Campbell declined to speak to the media after their brutal super bowl performance. Patriots reporter Mark Daniels tweeted. I asked Will Campbell to talk. He declined. Last night he had tears in his eyes. I get that part of the job, I get that part of the job is to talk to the media, but also understands the human element of this tough situation for a rookie. And overall, I thought he was good to the media this year. And to be honest, I've seen a number of Patriot veterans, including captains, who have refused to talk over the years after regular season losses. So it's tough for me to criticize a rookie who had a tough game in the super bowl for not wanting to talk while crying. Oo you agree?
B
Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I think reporters, obviously they have a job to do, but also understanding the human, the human nature and losing a game like that and having to talk to players, you know, right after the game ends and understanding what it means to even reach, you know, a game of this magnitude and lose it with all the work that you put in, you know, some reporters understanding, you know, what players are going through and allowing them to be able to express themselves if they want to talk or if they don't and have an understanding of that. I know you want to get, you want to get your answers, you know, your questions answered, but I think it's cool, you know, that they understood this moment and some reporters probably wouldn't. I mean, I don't see how you couldn't, you know, be that rude and that, and lack self awareness on why a player couldn't answer any questions you might want to, want to have answered after.
A
Let me ask you a question. If they win this game, you think he declining to talk? So is it. So he only human if they lose? Is he not human if they win?
B
So you want to, you want him to sit there and have a conversation when he's crying knowing they just lost Super Bowl?
A
It happens. We've seen it. We saw Josh Allen do it. Did we not just see Josh Allen cry?
B
Yeah, and we saw Means. Because he's a We saw means. No, no, I don't agree with you. If I don't feel, if I don't feel good after losing Super Bowl, I'm not talking about.
A
No, but I want to hear you talk. When you win. When you win, I want to see you talk.
B
Let me finish. Let me, let me finish. That's two different, that's two different situations. If I win, I'm happy. Of course I want to talk. If I lose the super bowl and our season is over and I'm, I'm not feeling, I'm Emotionally. I mean, mostly unavailable at that moment.
A
So he's the first. So let me.
B
I mean, emotionally unavailable at that moment, and I don't want to talk.
A
He's the first offensive lineman to give up a sack in the Super Bowl. So what about those linemen from Carolina that let Von Miller and demarcus Ware beat them all game?
B
Oh, when they played the Broncos.
A
No, no, no, no. That's a part of it. Ocho, being a professional. Win, lose a draw, man.
B
Listen, we not gonna use that professional word as a crutch. Every time a situation comes up when the player doesn't want to talk because he's emotionally damaged and he just can't.
A
That's a part of it.
B
Okay, hold on, hold on. He's crying. He's crying hysterically in front of the camera for. And. And, like, who wants to see that? I don't want to see that. If you can't control yourself and you're.
A
Crying because you hurt, you know, element of should hurt.
B
So you wanted.
A
You lost.
B
Okay.
A
And you didn't play well.
B
Oh, so. Okay, we thought it didn't play well. So. Also wanted to talk because he didn't play well. So he's hurt, he didn't play well. And he's crying.
A
She.
B
So you want him to not only play bad, but you want more embarrassment with him crying in front of the damn camera.
A
That's the human element of it.
B
No, you want to be. No, that's performative. That's what it sounds like.
A
So in other words, you say he was performing. So he wasn't really hurt. He was just play, play crying.
B
You want him to stand there crying after playing bad just to say, oh, no, because everybody going to pile on him. You cry, baby. You shouldn't be crying because you're playing.
A
No, you should, because if you. The more you invest in something, the more it's going to hurt. It should hurt.
B
Yeah.
A
I'd have been upset if he wasn't crying. You see what I mean? Ocho. Ocho. He got his ass kicked every playoff game. He got his ass kicked against the Texans. He got his ass kicked against the Broncos. He got his ass kicked last night.
B
You see what I. Now you see why he ain't going for that goddamn camera. He be getting his ass whipped all goddamn post.
A
Yes. So what's new? What's new? This ain't the first ass cook he took.
B
Oh, man. You got to understand, it took a toll on him continuously losing like that in the, you know, he could have done something about it, oh my God.
A
Could he have done something about.
B
I mean, probably not. Because at that point, if you already getting your ass toe up in the PO in, in the postseason, once you get to the biggest stage, the biggest game, and you playing against that defense, that front four, your top five pick.
A
And don't give. Look, I get, they say, well, he got hurt.
B
He's a, he's a, he's a rookie. He's a rookie. Yeah, you, yeah, you top five against those that you played at, played against in college. But it's grown men down here, man.
A
Ocho, great grown men. Growing pains. I give you a prime example. Go back and look at Garrett Bowles. Garrett Bowles got his ass kicked for years. They tried to run him out of.
B
Town.
A
Turned himself into an all pro. Because you know what? He get his ass kicked. He got holding calls, he got false starts, he got beat. But every, every time he step up to the mic, I gotta play better guys. Yeah. Now he's the first team all pro. Now he's a premier left tackle in all the football. That's a part of it. Ocho, you've dropped passes, you've had mistakes. I mean, just think about it. When you had your worst game, did you never not talk to the media?
B
No, I, you know, I love to talk. Win, lose a draw. You, you, you gonna get something out of me no matter what. Everybody's not built like that. I understand being a pro like you said, but most of the time, especially a young player like that, a rookie, obviously coming off bad performances back to back to back to back against really good defenses. And I, I, it's tough. It's tough because now you expose and everything's magnified on the biggest stage on how bad you've actually been. Now they've been rumbling, they've been rumblings about the officer line being bad, but you didn't see it because it wasn't magnified yet because you kept winning. But obviously the biggest stage, the world is watching. And then you go get your ass whooped consistently for four quarters. That, that, that hurts. That hurts. So I kind of understand, especially when being a young player, but I mean, listen, Growing pains, you'll learn from this. You'll get better from this. You were a top five pick for a reason. And I'm sure, listen, you got to get a little stronger. Gotta, gotta get a little stronger. Especially the allowing, allowing grown men to move you against your will when you're already anchored down. Nah, that, that, that, that, that, that can't happen. That can't happen. I don't know who your strengthening and conditioning coach is, but. Oh, that absolutely cannot happen.
A
He. He. He definitely gonna have to get in the weight room. His sets, he give him the edge far too easily. And maybe it was his left leg. But my thing is, Ocho and somebody. I tweeted, I tweeted, somebody responded to my. He was injured. Well, you don't get credit.
B
He was injured. Everybody's injured in the Super Bowl.
A
That's the case, Ocho. You don't get credit for being injured and getting your ass kicked. You only get credit for being injured. If you play well. That's the whole purpose. Or sit your ass down. That's the whole point. Nobody's mentioning. If Jordan doesn't play well in the flu game, what was so special about the flu game? Ocho. He had the flu and he flew. Food poisoning. And he did what he did, right? We're not mentioning this. Kobe with the sprained ankle when he stepped on Jalen Rose. Well, okay, maybe J. Rose slid up under him. But if Kobe doesn't play well, we're not having these conversations, right? I. I'm just old school. You ain't gonna always be up.
B
But.
A
When you're up, you talk. And when you're down, you talk. And you know what, Ocho? I gotta be better. I wasn't good today. I hurt my team tonight. I cost him. I'm gonna own this. Just like Josh Allen said. I cost my team, me, my mistakes. You gotta do it. It's a part of growing. It's a part of growth. It's a part of being a professional. You and I, yeah, we love to talk, but don't think it's just because you love to talk. That thing get easy when you don't mumped up.
B
Oh, no. Oh, yeah. It get hard now. It get hard. It get hard. I haven't been there. You got a thing. You won way more than I have consistently. So I had to do all my talking, most of the time on the losing end. So I was very comfortable being uncomfortable. I got. I got used to that. Got very, very used to being uncomfortable.
A
Yeah. Will Campbell just allowed the most precious 14 in the playoff game since 2018. His 29 pressures follow in a single season. Postseason is the most ever recorded by next gen stats. First round pick the Patriots terrified Campbell is a bus. No, I don't think he's a bus because he was playing really good. And I don't think arms have anything to do with it. I just think the thing is that he Needs to get what's some really good offensive tackles. Call Big Willie. Call Andrew Whitworth, Call some of the better tackles that are that and went to lsu. So I'm sure Whit ain't got no problem helping him, right?
B
But also most of the time, too, when you. When you want to learn from someone that plays your same position, you most. You want to learn from people with your same body type, with your same playing style, you know, because if you go to Big Willie, if you go to big witness. Hell you talking about Big Willie? Six thousand, six hundred and sixty seven. You go to Big Wit. Big Wit. Six thousand, six hundred and sixty six.
A
Ocho. Yes.
B
But he's how. He's six six with T. Rex.
A
Are you.
B
Are you sure he's six six? Are you sure he's 6 6? Hold on now. They got that. They got to have the measurements wrong because there's no way you. Hell, if you six six, your alarms have. Your arms have to be long in general.
A
Not necessarily.
B
That. Don't even say. Now I'm thinking maybe, you know, he was. He was a little on the shorter side if he had short arms. Most of the time, that's almost reserved for those that are, you know, 6.
A
Foot 6, 1, 320 pounds with short arms.
B
Oh, hell no. Okay, well, I. I understand. Well, listen, he. Well, how's he gonna punch if you got short arms?
A
He ain't got no. His punch. Cause like I said, Ocho, he has a problem with speed guys. And a lot of guys have with speed guys, but guys that can turn speed to power, so they look like they're gonna bend. Bend it, and then they bull you and they.
B
When he said that right over him.
A
They go right over the top. Yeah.
B
Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
A
Yeah.
B
Big Willie will be able to help with that.
A
Go. Go to wit with two.
B
Yeah, absolutely.
A
Because you. You play with wit, right?
B
Yeah. Whit was with me in Cincinnati. Yeah, absolutely.
A
Yeah, but I mean, some. Everybody doesn't have, like, long arms. If, if you look at, like most athletes, if you look at like, us, oo, we got short torsos, long legs.
B
Yeah.
A
You see the way we built you? Same way from. From. From my. From my waist to my head about this. I got l. Long ass leg and long ass arms. Yeah, right. But that's. That's the way most athletes are built, right? It's just. Man, look, it's tough, Ocho, because like you said, you're on the biggest stage. 130 something million people watching. Every. Everybody. Everybody will remember this until you get that taste out of their mouth.
B
Yeah.
A
That'S it. I mean, it ain't no secret, Ocho. If you drop a pass, you make a mistake. Until you atone for that, ain't letting that go. Letting it go. Not on the biggest stage. Billy Buckner, Boston legend, had a great career. Yeah, but everybody knows what he's known for. That ball went through his legs.
B
Damn. Billy.
A
What?
B
Billy? Billy who?
A
Bill Buckner, Red Sox. Mookie Wilson hit the ball that went between his legs. I think that was 86.
B
Oh, that was a long time ago.
A
86. Doc Gooden, Strawberry, Keith Hernandez. You don't remember them? Ray Knight.
B
They were playing. They were playing the Yankees.
A
He played the Red Sox.
B
Oh, my bad.
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49Ers defensive lineman Keon White was shot early this morning. The 49ers reported Keon White was a victim of a shooting and sustained a bullet, a bullet wound to his ankle this morning in San Francisco. He's currently undergoing surgery at a local hospital. We will provide further updates when appropriate. Barrels report that the shooting happened during an altercation on Mission street in San Francisco. He is not believed to have been part of the incident. The extent of the injury is not currently known. White was a second round draft pick of the Patriots in 2023 and was traded to the 49ers during the 2025 regular season. In August 24, 49ers receiver Ricky Piersoll was also shot in San Francisco Union Square during a robbery attempt. Damn.
B
I think. I think they need to stay the the hell off goddamn Mission Street Square or Mission Street. What the heck? What the hell is over there? Everybody hang out or something?
A
I. I don't. I haven't spent a whole lot. I haven't spent a lot. Basically when I was in San When I go to play, I went to play. Well, we didn't stay. I don't think we stayed in San Francisco. I don't even remember. It's been so Long, right? It has, Ocho. And, you know, I've never been one to go. Go out of my hotel, so. Even when we had, you know, some free time, huh? I was. I was chilling.
B
Hey, so when you. When you've been. When you've been to San Francisco, you never. You never been to that restaurant I keep mentioning, that soul food place? Oh, my God. They had. They had Sweetwater Cornbread.
A
You gotta shut your. Shut up. And you ain't bring me none.
B
The lady would not give me the recipe for the cornbread. I said, miss, please, I won't share with anybody. I just want to be able to take this recipe home so I can have it for myself. I won't give it to any other establishments. I won't give it to any other eateries. I will keep it for myself, please. She polite. She politely declined that. Hey, chat. I don't know if any of you are in San Francisco, if you ever been. Please, the food is already good. But before you get the food, with the food comes the cornbread at Mini Bells. Jesus Christ.
A
I. I don't go Ocho. I don't go a whole lot of places. Even, like, when I go certain places, I don't really wear any jewelry, right? And I'm. No, I think, for the most part, people know who I am, so I'm not flashy. I'm trying to be as inconspicuous as I possibly can, right? But also. Hey, hey. Oh, that you. I throw up the hand and I keep it moving on, Joe.
B
Right, Right. Well, see, I mean, for you, you. You think about myself is I. I don't really go anywhere either. Where do I go? I go to mcuban Spot. I go to my jazz club. I go to my. My piano bar. I go to the cigar bar. Now, anytime I do have on jewelry, I'm going somewhere. It's always something or it's always job. It's always work. It's always me being somewhere where I. I have the right people around me that can see what I can't. So. So I'm okay, you know? And I. I move in such a way where it's not like I'm goddamn Leonardo DiCaprio. So you probably won't even know I'm in the building because I don't move in that. In that manner where I have a whole entourage where all eyes are on me over. Who is that? No, it's not like that. So I've never really had any issues, especially like that when it comes to no violence or someone trying to Take something from me. Probably because they know half the time, based on what I've always said throughout the years, they think it ain't real. No way. Well, hell, we ain't touching him because we gonna be pissed.
A
I'm gonna get a yay. Whatever I got, they can got. They can have it.
B
Huh?
A
I don't care nothing about this. I can get more jewelry. I can't get no. Another life.
B
Oh, yeah? Well, who you telling? This ain't a video game. You can't start over.
A
Well, we want to wish Keon White speedy recovery. Our thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family. Hopefully, everything works out okay. It's nothing serious. Obviously, it's serious. You got shot the bullets in your ankle, so it's serious. But hopefully, he'll be able to recover and resume his career in the National Football League. So that's where. And I'm. Oh, y'.
B
All.
A
Don't be like, in taking pictures. Hey, man, you might say, bro, I don't want to get no pictures because you. You put this out.
B
Don't.
A
No, because I don't want you to give up the location where I'm at.
B
Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I don't be tripping. I don't be tripping on pictures. I like that. I'm. I'm. I'm. Hey, me, me. You and me, you kind of like total opposites. People stop me, but I'd be in the airport.
A
Yeah. Hey, guess what? I'm in the airport. I ain't trying to do that on the street. Nowhere, Right?
B
Yeah.
A
See, I'm.
B
It don't matter where you cat. You catch me. I'm sure there are people in the chat that have met me. I don't. I don't know people. Never met him a day in my life. Why? I meet people, act like I've known them 30 years. Yeah, I see that whole conversation.
A
You just got to be careful, Ocho. You can't move the way you once did. It's different now. Yeah, it's different now.
B
Yeah.
A
Back in the day, when we. When back in the day we first got to the NFL, people held us in high regard, Right? Boy, they come in, they lay down, they lay everybody down.
B
Hey, hey, I got that thing on me, too. I mean, how much land. Hey, how much land you want to do? We could do. We could do two things. We could lay concrete, or we could lay you. And nine times out of 10, it ain't gonna be me.
A
I just. I. You know what? I think the thing is, I think the thing is just like, hey, I just keep a low profile. I just try to move. Say I move. And I. I. Because I don't have no big entourage. Mainly, you see me, it's probably me and Jordan, or you see me, I by myself. For me, you know?
B
Hey, when you see me. Hey, you.
F
When you.
B
Hey, when you see me, who I'm with.
A
Cambodia. Cambodia. Run off and leave you. That's it.
B
That's it. Hey, I. I roll solo.
A
No, that's how I am. That's how. Because I. I'm trying. I. I'm not really trying to draw no attention. You know what I mean? You know? You know what I'm saying, Ocho?
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
A
Oh, show. A fight between the Detroit Pistons and the Charlotte Hornets in the third quarter resulted in four players. Masudi. I don't know how to say this. I ain't finna butcher his name. Miles Bridges.
B
Was it a real fight? Was it a real fight?
A
They were swinging. Oh, they could suspend it, but no, they're gonna miss some games.
B
Wait, what channel? What channel was on?
A
It was. Whatever. I don't know, Amazon. I don't know what channel. The game. Come on.
B
Damn, I missed it.
A
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
B
Most of the time, they be bluffing.
A
They gonna get some. They gonna miss some games. They gonna miss two, three, four games.
B
Okay. This boy was throwing the thing.
A
You see? Yeah. You see? You see the hand on his face?
B
Yeah. That's how I started.
A
Then Isaiah Stewart, I think, came off the bench. Swinging off the bench. He definitely gonna get some game. He gonna get a lot of games. He get a lot of games.
B
Well, he didn't force us.
A
Something.
B
Oh, show the clip. I want to see.
A
No, no, you better go. You better go Google it. After the show. You can Google it.
B
Okay, okay, okay, okay. Hey, them boy were throwing them things. What?
A
Ah.
B
Yeah. Get in there.
A
Get that thing.
B
I duck. I catch. Shoot. Shoot. Slip.
A
Slip. Oh. Oh. Mark Cuban and a private group are reportedly looking to buy back the Mavericks, per Mark Stein. According to the Stein line, an unidentified Dallas investor group is interesting and partnered with Mark Cuban to buy the Mavericks back from Patrick Dumont. A source close to Dumont Tolstein. The family remains excited about the future of the franchise and Cooper Flag era. Ocho, do you think.
B
Yes, sir.
A
Do you think it'll be good for Mark Cuban?
B
I mean, he was a great owner before Unk. He's won a championship. He knows how to conduct business. Obviously, being a former owner, wanting to go back in the business of Owning the Mavericks. I'm not sure what percentage of the Magic Mavericks he will own, but he will own, but this is what he does. It's kind of out of my pay grade to be talking about someone like that in that magnitude when it comes to owning a franchise. But I mean he's been successful in the past. I'm sure he'll be successful in the future if he gets back in position where he gets to push the green light and have control over some of the say so, you know with the Dallas Mavericks.
A
Yeah, I mean he just like, he saw him like a lot of these people, these tech guys and they got all this money coming in. He saw where these price, where these, these contracts are going. 300, 400, 500 million here in the next five years. Somebody's about to get a 500 million dollar contract. Half a bill. I have a bill, but who probably next contract, what you call gonna get 400 Wimby, Jokic, Yoki's probably gonna make 70 million a year. Yeah.
B
How old is joking?
A
I don't know, probably what, 29, 30, 31.
B
You think he gonna get that 70 minute at, at 31?
A
Absolutely. Have you seen the numbers he putting up? Ain't slowing down. He moved into second all time on the triple double list. He passed the big O.
B
Damn.
A
Yi to 30. Cuz think about it. Jason, Jason, hold that. Somebody made 314 just a couple of years ago. He about to get, he about to get five, six years. 70 million a year, maybe 80.
B
That's crazy work B. Jesus.
A
Absolutely.
B
That's crazy.
A
And the way he plays with not a lot of wear and tear on his body. Oh, he got some years to go too.
B
Right.
A
Jason Tatum, road to recovery from the torn Achilles. Took a big step as he been cleared to practice with their G league affiliate. Tatum towards Achilles tending. In the Eastern conference semifinals against the Knicks last May, the Celtics are tied for second in the east with the Knicks. Ocho, you surprised?
B
Yeah. Is he coming back this early?
A
Yes.
B
Not, not really. And I'm not, I'm not really surprised. For the simple fact that he has the resources, he has access to the best treatment, the best doctors, the best rehabbing. It makes me kind of nervous to be coming back this early based on the position he plays, based on the sport he plays and having to always push off that Achilles. So I'm assuming how long before he gets over that mental hurdle of trusting that leg and being able to push off and get back to what he used to be before he got injured. There are Many hurdles that he can have to overcome. The first one could be mentally. Mentally trusting that, that. That leg or that foot to be able to do what he once did. So I'm curious. I'm curious to see how he looks.
A
Ocho. Go back to Jokic. He declined a three year, $212 million extension and hopes to sign a $300 million extension in 26. So he declined three for 212, three for 212 carry divide. That's 70 million a year. He declined that.
B
What if they don't want to pay it to him?
A
Okay, somebody will pay it to him.
B
Like who?
A
I tell you what, where else can.
B
You go outside of Denver, tell him.
A
Don'T give it to him. And see you. You see what happened to Luca? They didn't want to pay it to him. Somebody traded it for him, didn't it?
B
Right. I. I'm just curious. And just say he already declined. Right. What if they don't want to pay it to him? Being that they already offered something. He didn't want to take this. Would he if he didn't want to take this? We're not going to give you nothing.
A
No.
B
What if that scenario happens?
A
He's the best player in the league. He's a three time league mvp. I don't know if he's going to be in the running this year because he's missed a couple of games. So you got to play, I think, what, 65 games in order to. So you can only miss 17 games. So I don't know how many games that he's missed, but he absolutely go get it.
B
Right. Damn.
A
And Luca signed his extension. And so in 28, Lucas gonna probably get 400, gonna probably make 80 million a year. Yeah.
B
Hey. Hey. You think Luca better than me?
A
I do. What?
B
I do.
A
Yeah, I think. I think. I think the. The 15th guy on the bench on everybody's team is better than you. People don't realize, Ojo. It's just like, you know, people don't realize how great these guys are. You've seen them warm up. Them guys hit 10 shots in a row and don't even get in the game. Yeah, it's just like the NFL. The guy that you think just a special teams guy. Okay, that might be what he is, but he'll make a lot of people look foolish.
B
Yeah.
A
Oh, we got some news for you, Ocho. You ain't gonna believe this. The Winter Olympic officials have been forced to address claims that male ski jumpers have reportedly been injecting their penises with hyrule acid to gain a competitive advantage. The allegations surfaced last month via German newspaper Bowed, which claimed that ski jumpers would reportedly get the injections, otherwise known as penis fillers, to increase the circumference of their genitalia by 1-2 cm before being measured for their suits. As reported by the BBC. An increase in size would mean that they would have to have a larger suit and an increase in surface error could lead to longer flight time during the jumps. Before the start of each ski jumping season, competitors are measured for suits using 3D body scanners. To compete in the sports, athlete need to wear elastic body tight underwear. But suits must have between 2 and 4 centimeters of tolerance every extra centimeter on the suit. If your centimeter, if your suit is 5% larger surface area, you fly further, said the International Ski and Snowboard Federations Ski jumping man director Sandro Purtel. The world and patent boy Ocho. When they say you ain't treat, you ain't tried.
B
Yeah.
A
The world anti dewada. The World Anti Doping Agency director Oliviate Niglia, meanwhile, said they were not aware of the practice and how it could improve performance, but it could lead to an investigation. Hyrule acid is not banned in the sport, but FIS communication director Bruno Sassy said there is no evidence to support these claims. There's never been any indication, let alone evidence, that a competitor have ever made use of these penis fillers, injections in an attempt to gain a competitive advantage. He explained.
B
You know, I used to, I, I used to, I used to, I used to ski jump. So I understand, I understand all the, all the little advantages that, that come into it, that play into it when it comes to your suit and being able to jump further when you do do it. I, I get it for me myself, I, I had to leave. I had to somewhat leave the sport during the winter. I played it in the winter, I used to ski jump in the winter and I, I had a, a competitive advantage because my suit was a little different than everyone else's. So it allowed me to jump a little further than everybody else based on who I am scientifically below the waist. I mean, you know, I, you know, I'm not one to brag or anything like that, but I understand what is going on and how it can be an advantage for competitors to use the. What's the acid called?
A
Basically, it's a piece like you get.
B
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Right, right, right. I totally understand. I didn't have to use the filler, I didn't have to use injection because you know, the.
A
I know a guy that would have been great right? At ski jumping.
B
Who.
A
That whoa. That you found in the parking lot.
B
Hold on, hold on. I gotta use bathroom. That whoa.
A
That woe. That o. Joke. Went to the parking lot and found. Whoo, man, they need to stop, man. But I'm just trying to figure out who. If this is true. Now, obviously this is just an allegation, but if this is true, who thought of this? Who thought of this? Say, you know what? You know, I wonder if I do this. I mean. Ah, I guess a. I guess if you win by tip, you win. Man, people crazy, man. What people would do to get a competitive advantage. Lord have mercy. Hey, come on, Ocho.
B
Yeah, hey, I remember, I remember. Listen, I listen.
A
But doesn't have to follow. Doesn't after a while, I don't know, chat women, anybody in the chat. But doesn't. Doesn't your body absorb the fillers? Like if you get injections, doesn't your body absorb it? And you have to keep getting. Unless you get. I guess. I guess you could get permanent fillers. I.
B
You know, that's a good question. I'm not sure.
A
Anybody know?
B
I'm not sure. I mean, I mean, how would we know? I mean, we would know. Ain't nobody, ain't none of us out there ski jumping. I mean, those that are ski jumping aren't us.
A
No, I'm saying that wouldn't your body absorb the fillers? And so after a while it just.
B
Right, it's gone. Yeah, I understand.
A
Hey, I guess the guys want to win bad enough. You. You'll try it.
B
Hey, you listen. You got to do whatever you can. You have whatever competitive advantage you can take in a sport like that, you have to take it. You have to take it because you got to understand. When I used to ski jump in the winter, I would win all the time because of the competitive advantage that I have, which not having to use feelings, just being who I am, just being me, you know? And I. I won. I won two goals back in 80. 89. 89, 89. And 92. Yeah. 89, 92. I'd never forget.
A
You know, when Olympics happen, you know, they used to happen. What. But you got to be even years. Yeah. So like the Winter Olympics happened in 26. The Summer Olympics happened at 28. They're happening 30 than 32, so.
B
Oh, I'm. I'm. I was. I was a.
A
You want to say. You want say like 90? 88.
B
Yeah, 90.
A
I said 90, not 89.
B
I. I don't remember. It's. It's been a little minute, huh? It's been a little minute, but I was out there, boy. Hey, let me sure. You know your technique like this, you got. You got to. You got to be able. You got to be able to lean with it.
A
You see what I mean? Come off the jump, you be like Eddie the Eagle.
B
Yeah, like this. You got. You gotta lean.
A
Yeah, you gotta have your head. Yeah, I saw that. Ojo, you look good, man. I mean, you like to like, edit it.
B
Yeah. That good technique too, huh? Real. That's a good technique. Good technique.
A
Bad. Ocho boy, you. You should have went to the Jamaican with the Jamaican bobsledder.
B
Oh, hey, I could bobsled too. Now.
A
I could buy Herschel. Herschel did the bobsledding, I think. Lozo Jones, Hershey did. So we've seen some track. Hell, the men, they couldn't even get to me. Couldn't get in it. Couldn't get into the bobsled.
B
Yeah.
A
Oh, all right. We'll get you out of this. It's time for our final save of the evening. It's time for Q and. Hey.
B
Oh, man. Hey. I'm feeling good tonight. I had me a three hour. I had like a four hour nap before we got on.
A
No, I ain't having. You know, hey, my.
B
I remember I flew in. I landed at 7 o' clock this morning.
A
You probably slept on the flame.
B
No, I. I ain't sleep the whole flight, but as soon as I landed, I went straight to the gym.
A
Okay.
B
I went at 8. I went to the cigar bar. Then I went and did some soccer training. Right? Man, I came home, man. Uncle. I knocked out about four or five hours. That's why I was so. That's why I was talking. I was so alert tonight. I'm feeling good. I really don't want. Honestly, I really don't want to get off the show. I want to do maybe another hour because I got it in me.
A
No, you. No, that ain't no nap either. A nap is somewhere between. You know, quick nap is like 20, 30 minutes or maybe up to like 90 minutes. Three, four hours you went to sleep. There ain't no damn nap. Not no four hours.
B
Well, if I'm. If I'm not mist. If I'm not mistaken, the body needs eight hours of rest for it to be considered sleep.
A
No, that's not a nap. I think you go three hours, four hours. That ain't on that. I mean, maybe 90 minutes up to 90 minutes. If you're like really tired. But you start sleeping 3 hours, 4 hours ain't no damn nap.
B
Okay, Okay. I mean, you learn something new every day.
A
It's time for our final segment, the evening. It's time for Q A. We had the graphics. Kevin Norwood Jr. Would you like to see Von Miller go back to the Broncos? Yeah, but I don't know how. I mean, they're such a young team and Vaughn has seven and a half sacks. Vaughn needed to be somewhere where he can play, and I don't know how much playing time he's going to get behind Cooper and Benito, but we shall see. Abraham Roswell Ocho, do you leave someone you love and been with for years but can't seem to walk away from the relationship? Yeah, relationships are hard, especially when you've invested kind of time. You kind of get comfortable, Ocho. You do?
B
Yeah.
A
You get into a routine, you know that person and have somebody to have to learn someone all over again. All over again.
B
It's tough.
A
It's tough.
B
But wait, it depend on. It depends on who you are. Look, I don't. I ain't got no problem walking away.
A
Huh?
B
I ain't never had no problem walking away. I, I'm not sure why I'm able to detach so easy and so fast like that, especially after putting time in and understanding that at one point I was genuine. And then when you, when you understand the, the reciprocation. The reciprocation is not the same that when you don't get the return on your investment, you know, and it makes it that much easier to walk away and take your losses. It may. It makes. So easy. I'm, I'm not sure how. I'm not sure why I've been wired that way. But yeah, I, I don't, I don't play, you know, under those circumstances or situations. I need to. I need a Red Bull.
A
Yeah, it's tough and, you know, it's really tough for the person that doesn't want to walk away from the relationship. I mean, a lot of times the person that wants to walk away, it's a lot easier for that person to walk away. But the person that doesn't want to walk away is really tough for them. And for whatever reasons, maybe they still love. Maybe they don't want to see that person with someone else. Maybe they're going to grow, have grown comfortable.
B
Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. You don't want to see somebody. You don't want to see nobody.
A
I'm saying it's easier for the person that wants to leave the relationship to walk away as opposed to the person that doesn't want. And for whatever reasons, maybe you really do still love that person. Maybe you don't want to see that person with someone else. That is a problem.
B
I do. I do. I do. I do. I want them to see somebody else. Because the faster you leave me, the faster you leave me. The faster I get ready to get. I get. The faster I get ready, I can get rid of an extra added expense. It's not like you was taking care of me. No, I'm taking care of you. So you mean to tell me you finna leave me for somebody else and he gets to take on my responsibility? Absolutely. Please take that off my hands. That's all you now, homie. I'm good. Yeah. You know how much money you save on.
A
Yeah.
B
Oh, I don't. I don't want to be with. I don't want to be with you no more. I found somebody better. Okay, cool.
A
Good.
B
I like that. You know how much. You know how much I'm. I've saved over the years for people thinking their situations or the grass is green on the other side and they. And they still searching.
A
Yeah. You better make sure that. Such as somebody's watering that grass. It might be turf, though, man.
B
Listen, water the grass or not. The same problems you ran. You. You want away from you. I mean, Unc, man, you know what this is? This. This is a great topic for. For another day. I don't want to go into a completely different conversation when the show is actually ending.
A
Okay, we'll pick it back up. Ms. Patrice Ocho. Max doesn't have an opportunity to win in Vegas. Make it make sense. Click. Kubiak, Fernando Mendoza, the second highest cap space. Make it make sense.
B
Make it make it make sense.
A
She said you got Clint Kubiak, who's a great mind you get Mendoza in there. They got cap space. They could bring a few pieces in and they might be very, very close. Shout out. Okay. Ace Wade says shout out. Pensacola. I wonder if he went to Scambia. Florida native Divine Witherspoon, representing the city with the great game. My cousin Emmett Smith, Derrick Brooks. Now Devon Witherspoon, all Super bowl winners from Pensacola.
B
Pensacola boy, Devon from the crib.
A
Roy Jones, also from Pensacola.
B
I know. I know Roy from there. I ain't know. Devon Witherspoon from the crib.
A
D. Brooks. Yep.
B
Yeah. I mean D. Brooks and Emmett. Yeah, I know.
A
I ain't know.
B
Okay, that's cool. Okay. Okay.
A
Eric Jordan, Scott ocho Javanta's jacket 2019-2020 season.
B
Ah, you right, you right, you're right, you're right, you're right. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
A
Before you go on.
B
Well, who was number 21 though, during that season?
A
Don't start me to lie.
B
Yeah, yeah. I want to see if you know.
A
El pray say hey. Oh, I want to come too. I want to be. Look, working though. You guys are passing out. Working on making millions in decentralized finance. Who passing out? Cap with OC Odigozul came on the show. My cowboys went straight downhill from there. Y' all wasn't with it anyway. Cassidy Johnson said give us pit bull for next halftime before halftime next year. Last night was a disgrace. Hold up, man in piss.
B
What?
A
What Pit bull nationality people?
B
Cuban, if I'm not mistaken. I think people are Cuban.
A
Would they be classified as Hispanic or Cuban?
B
Yeah, he from. He. He from down here in Miami, but.
A
I think he's already been on with somebody. He was on with somebody?
B
Yeah. Yeah, he has been. Pitbull. Hey, Pitbull done done it all.
A
I believe it.
B
He didn't done it.
A
Curtis says Cam Newton to the Falcons. Cam the hung up his shoes. TS car wash detail service. Jokic mvp. Chad Method man. Talking pictures was funny. People didn't realize him. Yeah, I mean, have you seen Jokic's numbers? He's gonna be right there when it's all said and done.
B
Yeah, he can't win mvp. Did. Did he come back in time?
A
Like I said, if he. If you don't get the 65 games, he can't be an all NBA selection. He can't win any of the award. So excuse me. We'll see how that shapes out Slick James. Reading directions does not guarantee the ability to know what to do because you understand instructions require more than just reading words or knowing what the play is.
B
I like that. I like that. I like. I like. Listen, the way you just explained that was nice. I probably couldn't put it in the words the way you just did, but the way you did it gives me a little bit more clarity on what you're trying to say. That was a good one.
A
He right, because I can read the direction, but I still ain't putting that table together. Sheldon Pope, any advice nightcap you have for Rakia Jackson and James Pierce through this situation they in, that's tough. Yeah, I mean, I think everybody saw some of the. Some of the details and read some of the stuff. It's just a very unfortunate situation for both. That's All I got Lee Mason. Oh, the type of what? The type to wash his hands after he showers? Nah.
B
Hey, that's a good one. Hey, that's a good one.
A
Giant tip up. Needs a cap emoji. They got to cap the blue cap.
B
Wait, who eat. Who need the cap emoji?
A
I guess we're gonna need it for you.
B
Nah, not for me. I. I've never. I've never told a lie. I've never.
A
I think misspeak. The truth is lies so harsh.
B
I might. I might exaggerate the truth, but anything I speak on, especially on this show, is all based on experience. I've. I've lived this. I've lived two to three different lives.
A
Oh, I believe you.
B
So I don't really. I don't. I don't really tell a lie. I just exaggerate the tr.
A
Truth. EC 137. Where do y' all rank Sam Donald now that he has a Super bowl ring? Rank him as far as what? As an all time great. As a current player in the NFL.
E
Current.
B
A current player in the NFL because the all time great conversation. Let's not do that, okay?
A
I'm not just me personally. I wouldn't take him over Mahomes. I wouldn't take him over Josh Allen. I wouldn't take him over Burrow. I wouldn't take him over Lamar. I wouldn't take him over Matt Stafford. Do we need to go on.
B
Jordan?
A
Love Justin? I wouldn't. So let me ask you a question. If I put. If I put any of the guys that I just named on that defense, do you think they. You think they lose the super bowl or they win the Super Bowl? Now if I take Sam Donald and put those. Put him on those teams. That's just me. I don't want to. Look, I think this. I think it's too. We'll have an opportunity to let the man enjoy this moment. Yeah, we'll have an opportunity. In three to four months, we'll have a ranking and Ocho and I will say, okay, Ocho, you take this guy, you take that guy. I think it's a little premature. Let him have his moment. Let him have his time to shine. He was in the big salsa. He in the cup. He and K9 was at Disney World. Disneyland, whatever. Disney. This is his time to shine. Let him have his moment. There'll be a time and a place where we get an opportunity to rank him before next season, right? TS Car wash detail service. Ocho always on the player side. Wrong or wrong Lanny Ray. Hey, guys, have you been watching the Olympics? Gotta check out my fellow Duluth Minnesotans going for gold tomorrow in the mix double curly. I saw that they knocked out the favorite Italians today.
B
Hey, hey. Curling, you know you like curling.
A
I watch it. I mean, I don't get, hey, how they be? They sweeping ice.
B
I never understood the concept behind either.
A
But Laney, we're going to be watching tomorrow, so we wish them the best of luck. Sam LeGrand, 89 Isaiah Stewart was just looking for a reason. That boy got some screws loose. He gonna get hammered. He gonna get hammered. He gonna get three to five. He gonna get five games. He's. Because he's. He's had a history of this and the message that.
B
Is he good? Hey, that's the one with chasing LeBron that time. Is he good?
A
He's okay player. He's more of an enforcer that. But the problem is, is that Adam Silver is not getting to. Through to him with the one to two game suspension. So they're going to have to slap some more on and hopefully that gets through or he's going to find himself like Kermit Washington out of the league. Mike, Mike, what's up between un. Brushing his teeth every three seconds. Ocho Shine. Once a month. Y' all are opposites. That's what makes this podcast work. We are totally opposite.
B
Hold on. I said once a week. I ain't say no. I ain't say no once a month. And I do that strategically to keep my water bill down, especially if I don't have nowhere to go. If I don't have anywhere to go once a week, I mean, that's fine with me. When I'm not really doing anything. I'm trying. I'm trying to teach y' all how to save money. Y' all need to listen, man, I.
A
Ain'T saving no money when it comes to that. Hey, but here's the thing, Ocho, take off his clothes. They'll stand up by themselves.
B
Hey, especially these pants. How many times Woody things you like these?
A
Yeah, baby.
B
And you got. I'm gonna get you.
A
I appreciate that.
B
I'm gonna get you some.
A
Nah. I always said if I ever got me some running water, I'm gonna wash my ass. Every time I think about the time I didn't have an opportunity to wash my ass when I was growing up as a kid.
B
Oh, see? See that? That's why you like that now I understand. I understand. Okay, I got it.
A
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Host: Shannon Sharpe (A, "Unc")
Co-host/Guest: Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson (B, "Ocho")
This episode of Nightcap Hour 2 dives into major NFL storylines—focusing on Tua Tagovailoa and Kyler Murray's trade block situations, David Njoku’s free agency, Will Campbell’s Super Bowl fallout, and the shooting incident involving Keon White. The conversation, rife with humor, candor, and personal anecdotes, also touches on current NBA drama, Mark Cuban’s Mavericks buy-back rumors, and absurd Olympic controversies. Shannon and Ocho keep the banter authentic, blending hard-hitting football analysis with their trademark comedic exchanges.
Segment starts: [02:07]
Notable Quote:
"How great do you want to be, man? See, a lot of people say they want to be great…until it’s time to do things that cause you to be successful. The number one key to greatness is sacrifice." – Shannon Sharpe, [13:51]
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Segments woven throughout [18:00–24:00], [71:45–74:37]
On Greatness & Sacrifice:
"Everyone wants to be great until it’s time to do things that in order for you to be great, like sacrifice." – Shannon Sharpe, [13:51]
On Being a Pro:
"That’s a part of it, Ocho. You’ve dropped passes, you’ve had mistakes. Did you never not talk to the media?" – Shannon Sharpe, [37:19]
On Security & Fame:
"I don’t care nothing about this. I could get more jewelry. I can’t get another life." – Shannon, [51:38]
On Relationships:
"The reciprocation is not the same…when you do not get the return on your investment…it makes it that much easier to walk away." – Ocho, [72:00]
Olympics Absurdity:
"If you win by tip, you win. Man, people crazy, man—what people would do to get a competitive advantage." – Shannon, [66:34]
The episode provides a classic blend of sports analysis and unfiltered conversation, embodying the mix of insight, vulnerability, and humor that sets Club Shay Shay apart. Whether dissecting the technical realities of NFL trades, lampooning Olympic rumors, or joking about personal hygiene, Shannon and Ocho foster an authentic and relatable atmosphere—keeping listeners up-to-date, entertained, and occasionally in stitches.
For Full Details, See Timestamps Above. Skip to [02:07] for Main Content.