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Shannon Sharpe
The volume as the Cleveland Brown quarterback competition progresses into mandatory minicamps, Shador Sanders has often found himself practicing with the backups while team other passes pull Flacco Pickett and Dylan Gabriel have received first team reps. Shador said he's unbothered by practice reps. Instead of looking to take advantage of every opportunity, get. Life is just based on how you view different things. So you can view things if you're not getting reps in a negative way, or you can view it as, okay, it's my time to get out there, and let's be proactive and let's get warm, let's get going. So there's no excuses, because when you get out there, nobody cares how many reps you got whenever you got in the game. Nobody cares if you took a snap before. Everybody cares about production. So that's the main thing. When you get out there, you got to be able to produce. Ocho. See, I love this response. See, now you got me questioning whether or not he was unprepared when he came to those meetings. I think y' all tried to salt that man up. I've only heard responses like this all the press conference. Yeah, he had. I mean, when he was in college, you know, he was a little facetious at times, but I didn't never. I never got the inclination that he was unprepared if the one thing that he was going to be is prepared. His father prepared him. He understands his dad. Although he didn't play quarterback, he understood what comes along with playing the quarterback.
Chad Ochocinco
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
I just. I love the way he's answered the. Answer that question.
Chad Ochocinco
He's answering the questions perfectly. And the funny thing about it now, you know, I got a. I got a couple of young bulls out there. You know, I talked to Denzel Ward. You know, I. I told some, but let me. Damn, I can't say the name. But anyway, I done talk to some people, he looked different. There's a difference when that young bull is out there spinning that ball.
Shannon Sharpe
You hear me?
Chad Ochocinco
Difference. I'm talking about. I'm talking about football. I ain't talking about no media and all that. All that hoopla and all them, you know, on Twitter, they putting up the numbers some. He with 10 for, 12 for two. Touchdown. I'm talking about. When he's at the helm, he looks different. Whether he going with the first team, second team, or third team, it don't matter. You know, I understand getting drafted in the fifth round, all that means nothing. When it's time to play football and that whistle blows, he looks different than the rest of the competition. That's. That's what I heard. And I'm talking. I'm talking from. From. From a. Not. Not Brother Ward. I'm just talking about from sources. That's in that room, that's on that field, that's playing the sport, man. Come on, man. I, I, I, this is something that.
Shannon Sharpe
I can relate to. Yeah, you can't relate to this. You a second round draft pick, so you probably had, worst case scenario, you running with the second, the twos. Soon as you step foot in the camp. I was on, but somebody, but it's somebody that was a seventh round draft pick and that was with the third, fourth, fifth team. The last guy to get a rep some days. Oh, I get one rep. What? I get one rep. That's all I got. That's it. Oh, that's it.
Chad Ochocinco
Boy, I would have cut up. Well, you got me, man.
Shannon Sharpe
I just, I, I just remember having a conversation with my brother. My brother would tell me, it's like, man, how it's going? I explain, man, I ain't, man, they ain't going. They ain't. I got like one rep, I got like two reps. I ain't even get in today. He said, don't worry about that. He said, one day John Elway gonna call on you.
Chad Ochocinco
Yes, sir.
Shannon Sharpe
Just make sure when he call on you, you answer. Just make sure you're supposed, you're where you're supposed to be when you're supposed to be there. That's all he told me. He ain't said, ah, man, they messing over you. He never said he can't. Hey, you know what you can do now? You're gonna get your opportunity. It's gonna come.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And when it comes, slowly but surely, I was with the threes. Slowly but surely, I was with the twos.
Chad Ochocinco
Come on now.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey. Now all of a sudden, hey, Sharp, get in there. I'm in the slot, but I'm running with the ones. Okay. Yeah, okay, so make the team mainly special teams, but, you know, hey, they called, they want somebody. We ran the ball a bunch. So, you know, I'm big receiver, I'm blocking, you know, hey, it didn't matter. I'm blocking Fulcher, Ronnie, Lot, you know, Eddie Anderson, all them big time, big time hitters. But that's the only thing that my brother told me. He didn't tell me they messing over me. He didn't say. All he said is like, you know what, John El, we're going to call your number one day. Just make sure you answer. And I was like, you know, I would go, I would go ask, John, man, what, what can I do better, man? I just, I just want to be, I just want to be like when you, when you call him. I want to be there. He's like, hey, just make sure you get your head around. Make sure you get your depth on your routes, blah, blah, blah. You know, we run certain drills. He's like, hey, I like that. I like that effort. Slowly but surely. So if I could give. I can't give you no advice how to play the quarterback position, but I'll say, just keep doing that. Yeah, just keep. Just keep doing what you're doing. That's all you gotta do. And people like, man, you always turn it in. I said, no. What I try to do is that in situations where Ocho and I, we try to do is that if we've been in those situations before, we can tell you how we handle it. We can go inside. Because you're talking to people that was in the huddle, not somebody. I didn't cover the game. I cover the game now. But you're talking about somebody that was in the huddle. Know what it's like on fourth and three? That's. Know what it's like when it's first and go and you're down six. So I ain't telling what somebody told me to say. I'm telling you through firsthand knowledge. Yeah, Firsthand knowledge. Being in the locker room, being in those meeting rooms. I. I love what Shador said. I love the way he's handling it. I don't know when that time gonna come, Ocho.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Because the man say, you don't know when I'm coming. He said, you better make sure you be right when I return. Shador doesn't know when the opportunity will present itself.
Chad Ochocinco
You're gonna be ready. Hey, I want to get back to this one rep, man. Now that. That's. That stuck with me out of everything, you know, said because. But they boy bout to raise hell. You hear me?
Shannon Sharpe
Told you I'm a seventh round draft pick. I'm a body.
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, shit. Okay, my bad.
Shannon Sharpe
I ain't. No. Yeah. If I was the first round draft pick and I ain't getting but one rep or second round draft pick yet, I would have some issues, too. But I'm a seventh round draft pick. And you know, the thing is, with me, I played one. I played, I played. I was the Z receiver.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
So now, you know, Ocho, you come in as a rookie, you Z, you slot, you X, they throw you in a couple of plays at tight roll. Can I learn? Let me learn one thing right? Come on now. Let me, let me, let me. I'm trying to write cursive and you trying to get me to do trigonometry, huh?
Chad Ochocinco
Damn.
Shannon Sharpe
One rep, two reps on your. That's all we out there for two hours, you know. Hey, everybody else getting called to get in there. Hey, Turner, get in there. Johnson, get in there. Young, get in there. Everybody get in there. Last play. Sharp. Get in that to Z.
Chad Ochocinco
Man, listen, let me tell you something.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, let me take that back. It was called. It was not called a Z. It was called the wing.
Chad Ochocinco
Right?
Shannon Sharpe
Sharp, you had the wing.
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, you gotta think in 2000, man. TJ was on here with us. Remember, he told you.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I take.
Chad Ochocinco
I was taking scout. I'm talking about 2005, 2006. I'm talking about my whole career. I ran our plays and I ran scout team, right. I'm. I would purposely. The gunner on special teams. I would purposely go on special teams just to keep myself running through the whole practice. And I, I purposely took the scout team. Whoever the number one receiver based on who we playing. Let's say we playing the Jag, you know, we playing the Jags. I'm Jimmy Smith on the scout team and I'm taking every rep. Cause now I get to work with the number one DB on our team and gave him good work. So he be ready for Jimmy or Kenny McCardell on Sunday.
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
Chad Ochocinco
And I'm man Marvin and Hugh Jackson would have to pull me the F out of practice.
Shannon Sharpe
But you know, oo in training camp, it ain't really no scout team. It's ones versus ones.
Chad Ochocinco
Ones. Yes, yes.
Shannon Sharpe
So you don't get. You don't really get to the scout team until like that first preseason game. Because now, okay, offense, you going against the twos, defense, going against the two offense, things like that. And then obviously when you get into the regular season, the style team, you know, go to get given that. So. Yeah, now once. Once the regular season came. Yeah, I was, I was, I. That's me. I followed the ball, right? Whoever the been the best receiver, it was Tim Brown. I'm Tim Brown. I'm Slim Brown.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
You know what I'm saying?
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, Timmy, man, same thing.
Shannon Sharpe
Ron Smith came in, he said, man, his walking was right across from mine and he absorbed everything of everybody. That was the offense that I've ever been around. Rob Smith probably was probably my greatest student because he absorbed everything he said, man, I just want. He said, man, I want that. I said, what you what? He said, man, the way crowd cheer you, the way everybody respects you. He said, I want that. I said, I tell you what? When the scout team come, whoever the best receiver is, you get that jersey. I don't care if you're X, I don't care if you're Z. You get that jersey. And you go out there when they say, hey, man, sl. You bust their ass.
Chad Ochocinco
I like that part.
Shannon Sharpe
The first time Foots got in the game, we played in Washington. In Denver, three by one, we down. Hold on.
Chad Ochocinco
Where he at?
Shannon Sharpe
He's the ex receiver. They put him to the side. By himself?
Chad Ochocinco
He's by himself.
Shannon Sharpe
He got Darrell Green matched up on him, John throwing the football. He jump up over Darren Green and catch it. We win the game.
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, Ron, what Rod at? You talk to Rod lately?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, I talk to Puss all the time. Yeah? Yeah, we ate him. You know, I still. It's. It's a few guys I stay in touch with a lot, obviously. Burns, I talked to House, who's my backup tight end. Chalkeye was another backup tight end, Foots. But, you know, it's a few guys I still keep in touch with. Yeah. But that's what I tell guys. And a lot of, you know, they say there are conspiracy theories circling that Cleveland trying to force the early picks. Yeah. They gonna do everything they possibly can because they draft. They don't wanna look bad. Don't yo.
Chad Ochocinco
Right, Right.
Shannon Sharpe
If I draft Gillon Gabriel higher than I drafted Shador, and Shador outplays him, boy, that make me look bad. If he gets in there. I signed Kenny Pickett as a free agent. If he gets in there and he outplayed performs Kenny Pickett, that makes me look bad. So I'm going to give these guys every opportunity to succeed. Because I don't want y' all to make me look bad. Cause you can say, oh, yeah, we didn't have this grade on him. Don't matter the grade. Cause at the end of the day, you gotta play. You can give that guy A plus or B, whatever the case may be. But when we get in there.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
So I'm got to give.
Chad Ochocinco
All right. Bought them some good days, boy.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. But I look, I love the way Shador answered the question. It's like, look, first team, second team, third team. When they call my name, I'll be ready. Because they don't nobody care. Didn't nobody care that. Hey, all the tight ends got hurt and they putting a seventh round draft pick in there from. From Savannah State. Ain't nobody care nothing about that at all. All they saw was number 81, sharp. Man, that's sterling's. Brother. I wonder if he's as good as his brother. Hell, if I was, they'd better have. They took me in the seventh round. I'm just as good as my brother. Somebody doing some poor ass scouting.
Chad Ochocinco
But.
Shannon Sharpe
I thought I was. Ocho, you couldn't tell me I wasn't as good as my brother? Oh, yeah, I broke all his records. I did everything that he did. Everything he did. Now, was he more physically, like, I was more talented? Right. He was a harder worker.
Chad Ochocinco
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
So once I got to college, I'm like, man, I'm like, man, scouts ain't really coming. Cause he was telling me, man, we had all the scouts from every team. I think the time looked like 2018, 2017. Every Scout was here today. I said, oh, yeah? Y' all have any scouts? Like, nah, we ain't have no scouts down here. So I know the opportunity. So I got to. I got to do something to make the scouts come, right? That's it. Shador, keep doing what you're doing, bro. I love it. I know your dad dealing with a little. Some health problems right now, but you've gone through adversity before when you did Jackson State and your dad had that. Had those blood clots. You built for this. You are absolutely 1000% built for this. Head up. Prayed up. Stay up. So, Ocho, Puka Nakua is IG name. Puka is dead because his mom discovered that he had Instagram in the 8th grade and changed the name. My mom, 8th grade, my 8th grade year, didn't know I had Instagram. My mom found my Instagram IG and changed it. She made it Pooka is dead to let me know I was in trouble. What is the most memorable time you got caught, Ocho?
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, man. Listen, honestly, I don't know if I told this story. The most memorable time I got caught. It had nothing to do with. Obviously back then, I was. I was young. Yes, man, I had the nerve. My grandma and my grandfather, they done went to church, and I had the nerve to pull that goddamn car. I had the nerve to pull one of their cars out the driveway. You know, we had an old steel fence back in the day. The old steel fence that just. That slide back.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco
Hit it open and put the car in reverse. I never forget. It was a 500. 500 Benz, but it was diesel.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah. Okay, okay.
Chad Ochocinco
Old school. I done pulled a goddamn car out the driveway backwards and don't know how to drive and don't know how to differentiate how far I am from the. From the, from the rails, man, and caught the goddamn right fender on the, on the, on the rail trying to get out. So I'm thinking, well, if I, if I just keep going, it's gonna loosen itself. I done ripped the whole. I didn't.
Shannon Sharpe
You ripped the bump off the whole.
Chad Ochocinco
Right front bump off. Oh, man, let me tell you, them people came home from church, boy, I ain't never got wore out like that ever again. Oh, yeah, I never got wore out like that ever again. Never had a whooping like that ever from both of them. Both of them. Never again. Mind you how y' all coming from church, but y' all beat me like the devil. Yeah, man.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, we are. We already. We are. We done told the Lord, forgive us for our sins. We already know we gonna do something we get home.
Chad Ochocinco
I would never. I would never forget that day ever.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah, man. But you know what, Ocho? Them old people didn't play, man. They didn't play mangle boy. Like I said, the worst whipping I ever got from my grandfather is that we was going fishing. All of my cousins had done came down, we was going fishing. My grandma was going to get off. My Grandma wore from 7 to 3. So by the time my sister go get. No, Libby wasn't driving then. She was driving, but she didn't have. I don't think she had a license there. My aunt. I think it might have been Gladys. Might have been Gladys. Poppa might have wouldn't picked her up. But anyway.
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Shannon Sharpe
All my cousins, Arnel, Eugene, Lanny, me, Spanky, we all gonna go fishing. This is. We're the old. We're the oldest grands. So we always go. We gonna go fishing that Saturday. Grant ain't getting no bass. Everybody. Ocho, I don't got me a milk. I already know we going fishing. You know, that was our thing Saturday. I got a milk jug. Don't cut it half into. Hey, don't got me some good old wet dirt. I'm down there in the ditch. I'm digging them jumping jacks. Louisiana, you know, red wigglers, whatever y' all want to call them. If you're from the south, you go fishing, you know, by bait. Ocho, I'm telling you, I got it. Oh, yo, when I say I got them baits, I got them. I'm talking about if you went to the store, as many base I had, it probably cost you $3, right? $3. In 1975, 76 was a lot of damn money.
Chad Ochocinco
Yes, sir.
Shannon Sharpe
So Louisiana Pinks cost you the most money. They were long, long base. And like I said, if you go fishing, you know what I'm talking about. Louisiana pinks, they had regular wigglers, jumping jack, night crawler, whatever you want to call them. You get crickets, you can get soya worms. You can get a. What was the other kind, you know, we go find an old rotten stump, and we get those grub worms out of there. We fishing with those two Ocho's. So you know me. Hey, so I done got my thing. Everybody, you know, my brother and them, they got a little bit of. They. They ain't got like I got. Cause I got them. Cause you know me, Ocho, I'm just. I'm the youngest.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
I gotta have the most, right? Papa done bought me a cane pole. They've got. Got me a cane pole for a quarter. Your boy good? I'm good. You know what I said? I'm gonna pull up in.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
So we get to the lake, we ride in the back of the truck. We get out. My cousin, them jump out, they spat, they scatter, they gone. Shannon, give me your baits. Nah, Grant, I ain't gonna be able to do that. You know, she didn't want to give me.
Chad Ochocinco
She's like.
Shannon Sharpe
She's like, boy, give me the base. I said, no, Granny Barnet. Yeah, that boy won't give me them baits, huh? Nah, Bart, I told him. I told him to give me them base. He said no. He wasn't giving them to me. Oo. I don't know what possessed me to say no to this day.
Chad Ochocinco
Wait, why she wanted you base, though?
Shannon Sharpe
She didn't have any. And she. Instead of. Instead of. Instead of like, taking some from my cousin's Memphis, she wanted mine because I was the youngest. I couldn't have been no more than.
Chad Ochocinco
Five or six, right?
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, man, that joker beat me so bad, O. I ain't even want to fish no more outside, man. Outside the back of the truck. I don't even want to feel that in there. I started, Ocho. Cause I used to get mad. I was a poor sport. I used to get mad like my brother, make me mad. Hey, I start throwing rocks in the water, boy, my grandma, boy, you be stopped.
Chad Ochocinco
Think all the fish scatter.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, boy, stop talking. I'll be talking. My grandma said, boy, stop talking. You gonna scare the fish away. I'm like, you can't hear they underwater. I can't hear nothing underwater. How can they hear, man? I get. Hey, man, Ocho, that joker beat me so bad, Jo O, I ain't even fish. That's.
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, yeah, but that's classic.
Shannon Sharpe
But you know them both people, they ain't play back. Then they bust hell out you. I was surprised. It really surprised me that I said no. And she didn't do nothing because my grandma didn't play either. My grandma get close to you, hit you dead in your mouth. Quick.
Chad Ochocinco
Quick backhand. I never forget that backhand.
Shannon Sharpe
You know, if you got a thousand square foot. I mean, the house ain't but so big. My grandma Spanky be in the living room and Granny be in the kitchen cooking. And I would say something and granted, say, I sure wish I was close to that boy so I could hit him in his mouth, you know? Hey, and what got you in trouble, Ocho?
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
I think Jamaicans and Caribbean people call it kissing your teeth. We call it sucking your teeth.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, my grandma hates. I. I give you. I give you something. All right. All right. You play. Play if you want to.
Shannon Sharpe
And stop it, boy. Do take it.
Chad Ochocinco
And you better not slam my goddamn door. Oh, I remember them. When I sit back and think about it, man, I think about all the. All the times I've gotten. Gotten in trouble, all the times I've gotten beaten. But I do anything. My gosh, I swear for God, I do anything to hear my mama curse me out one More time.
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Chad Ochocinco
I do anything to hear my grandma say chatty. You have her scream chatty real loud, right? When I'm like when them light poles come on out there in Liberty City, when they come on and she would scream my name just to make sure I'm in the area to let you know why I do anything to hit it. Just to have them two moments again.
Shannon Sharpe
You don't think about it at the time, Ocho, that you're gonna miss those moments. You just like, man, I can't wait to get grown and get away from here. I'm tired of all this yelling. I'm tired of all this screaming. I'm tired of all these ass cuttings. I just. Hey. And I didn't get a whole lot because I was the youngest. I didn't get a whole lot. I didn't get a. But the ones there are. Sometimes I got something I didn't think I deserve. I deserved them. Now, looking back at it. But you know, when you. You 5, 6, 7 years old, you a think you deserve. Boy, I plead and. But you like, like I said, oo. It took all that. It took all that to. To. To. To get us to where we needed to go because that's where they. There's no doubt in my mind my grandmother didn't know me and my brother was going to turn out to be professional athletes and accomplish what all I knew. I don't think my grandmother. And we didn't want that. My grandmother dropped out of school in like the second grade. Grandfather dropped out in the second grade. School wasn't big on them, you know, like, son, just don't be no dummy. Yeah, okay. That wasn't gonna take much, but I look back at that time and me, Me and Spanky, my brother, we. We get on the phone and we just talk about that. Say, man, you remember that? Do I remember it? He's like, man, you remember everything. Is there any. Did you forget anything I like? Nah, not really. Not really. Cuz it was just him and I. Yeah, just him and I. And like you said, Ocho, I don't know if I want to go back because that was hell back then. Yeah, it was hell. The limited resources that we had. We had love, but food was on short supply. You know, love was in abundance. We, you know, boy, I would. But I would give anything for my grandfather and my dad to actually physically. I know their spirit, Ocho. I know they saw right. But to physically see what me and my brother became. Just. Just one game, have my dad, my Grandfather there. Have my dad on the sideline. Have my dad come in the locker room. Have Papa see. See what we became. Cause I remember one night, it was probably about 1970, probably about 1975.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
Might have been early. Might have been 74. Like I said, I slept with Granny Spanky's level. Papa Spanky slept on the back of Papa. I slept on the back of Granny. And they were talking. It had to be about 2 o' clock in the morning. And I remember, like yesterday. He's like, mary, she was sleep. She's like, yeah, Barney. He said, mary, I'm gonna probably be dead and gone, but them two little fellas gonna make something. She said, yeah, Barney, they some smart. They're some good fellas. They ain't like our boys. He said, yeah, Mayor, I'll probably be dead and gone. He said, but that little one, he said, that little one don't forget nothing. Mary. You talking about me?
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
And I did. I hear everything. My grandfather said everything. My grandfather, my grandfather, my grandmother, you know, back then, on t. By the back of your head, because, you know, just right down there. Hey, come on. Come on, boy. So, yeah, it would. They didn't. I. I don't. I don't remember my grandfather. My Grandfather died in 77, so I was almost 9. I was 8 years old. I was about to be 9. He died in February. I'd have been 9 that June. I don't think my grandfather ever called me my name. It was always boy or son. Boy, but I mean, that's what. That's what old people called you then. They didn't call you your name. Hey, boy, come here. Hey, son. Come get this. Hey, Libby, where them boys at? Okay, take these to the boys. I missed that. I missed that. Granny got the opportunity to see it, you know, she came to my last game at Savannah State. Yeah, she got an opportunity to witness. She came to my college graduation. She came to my high school graduation. She got to witness a lot of things. Obviously, my mom's still alive, so my mom got to go to everything, right? But if I could just. My dad and my grandfather, Barney Porter. My dad, my. My grandfather, he was alive. I think he saw. Yeah, he died in 90. No, no, no, no, no. He died before, and he died when I went to college. Yeah, because I remember the last time I saw him alive, I ended up taking my. I took my girlfriend from Theresa. Boy, there were some times, Ocho, you won't catch Joe Flacco dancing on TikTok anytime soon. Flacco chimed in on players getting on TikTok and doing dance moves, saying, no TikTok dances. This generation, the fact that people want to get out their phones and show people, like, that's embarrassing. You're an adult. Like, be an adult. I can't wrap my head around that. I mean, you big into TikTok. Aren't your.
Chad Ochocinco
Now, my kid. My kids are. My kids are huge. My kids are huge. On Tick Tock. I have. I have a tick tock. I don't know how to work it. So all I do is I use tick tock as if it's a GQ magazine, right? That's it. It's literally. Hey, matter of fact, hey, chat. I mean, everybody in the chat follow my tick tock. Matter of fact, let me type it in the chat and y' all follow my. Y' all follow my tick tock. Because I don't know how to work it.
Shannon Sharpe
Well, what are you gonna do if you don't know how to work? And what are they gonna follow you for?
Chad Ochocinco
Because they. I just post pictures and be fly. That's it. I just post pictures and be flat.
Shannon Sharpe
Aren't you supposed to do something on TikTok?
Chad Ochocinco
It's supposed to be like a video. But I don't know how to work it. People know how to edit and do all. I don't know how to do all that stuff. I don't know how to do all that.
Shannon Sharpe
Ash wants to know who is a bigger curmudgeon. Flacco or Shannon. A bigger who?
Chad Ochocinco
What was that word?
Shannon Sharpe
Curmudgeon.
Chad Ochocinco
What'd that mean?
Shannon Sharpe
Huh?
Chad Ochocinco
What curmudgeon mean?
Shannon Sharpe
Let's go. I can't tell you. We're gonna ask you to spell it next time. Cranky, Grouchy. Me.
Chad Ochocinco
Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Black or Flacco? Flacco. Oh, here. Now he what? How old? Flacco? Yeah, you know, Flacco. Hey, he. He not. He not with that. He ain't with that. Understandable, though. Understandable.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh. Oo oo. Keon White kept it short and sweet on the big difference between the Patriots this season. He said, now I feel like I have a coach.
Chad Ochocinco
But with that, I mean. What's that supposed to mean?
Shannon Sharpe
You dating somebody. And she say, now I feel like I got a man in my life and the last person she dated was you. What that supposed to mean?
Chad Ochocinco
She lying.
Shannon Sharpe
The same thing. If you said, hey, now I got. Now I feel like I got somebody that hears me. I got somebody that listen to me. I got somebody that got your boy.
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, I don't like that.
Shannon Sharpe
Right?
Chad Ochocinco
Listen, I don't know. I don't like what Brother, brother, brother. Dion said. I don't like to look. What's it? Keon White.
Shannon Sharpe
Keon White.
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, I don't mean to be rude. Hey, man, never mind, never mind. I mean, I don't. Hey, that's. That's as uncalled for.
Shannon Sharpe
I don't know what he meant because I don't like to speculate, Ocho, but you know how it's going to be perceived, right?
Chad Ochocinco
I know how it's going to be perceived, you know, but I know when it comes to. On field play, you know, sometimes it's okay. Sometimes, you know, you have coaches that elevate your players play, then you have players. Regardless of who your coach is, you do what got to be done. Once you in between them lines, there's two different type of players. Like, you know, I could talk about quarterbacks and quarterbacks that need a supporting cast, and then they're quarterbacks that can elevate the people around them. Now, which player are you now? Depending on who the. Depending on the player that you are, you know, who's coaching, you really don't matter because you're gonna handle your business anyway.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco
I don't. I don't. I don't like them words, though. I don't. I don't like. Like that. Huh?
Shannon Sharpe
I was always that guy, Ocho. I never wanted somebody to lose their job on my watch.
Chad Ochocinco
Nah, nah. But shoot, if. If I'm responsible, boy, you gonna work forever.
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Shannon Sharpe
Stefan Diggs had high praise for Mike Brable, saying, I can tell he was a part of championship teams. I'm a huge fan of him. I can't wait to play for him. He got that itch like you want to run through a wall for him. Look, when he was at Tennessee, all the guys love playing. Some, Some coaches. Ocho, you love playing for.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah.
Shannon Sharpe
It's really that simple. Some guys you just love playing for. You just do.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. Hey, and you know what's funny? If you can look at the interview, I'm not even playing no more. And I could tell you the coaches I probably run through a wall for right now. Sean McVeigh Shanahan.
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
Chad Ochocinco
Mike Tomlin.
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
Chad Ochocinco
Pete Carroll.
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
Chad Ochocinco
Brother. Vable Vrabel.
Shannon Sharpe
Break. Mike.
Chad Ochocinco
Mike. I'm trying.
Shannon Sharpe
I played against him, Ocho.
Chad Ochocinco
You did?
Shannon Sharpe
I did. You know, he was a Steelers first. He was at the Steelers first.
Chad Ochocinco
That's right.
Shannon Sharpe
That's right.
Chad Ochocinco
He sure was. He sure was a Steeler first. I mean, that's, that's just, that's, that's five players I'm talking about. Players, coaches. Players coaches that can, that can relate to you and understand exactly what you going through.
Shannon Sharpe
Definitely be one of my favorite. He'd probably be the first coach. Andy Reid.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah. Oh, you know. You know who I left off? Who? That goddamn Dan Campbell, boy.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, he might keep it too. Geek, though. Hell, I can't be geeked all the way through the week.
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, listen, listen, boy, I, I couldn't play for that Lions team right now. Well, I got my coach talking shit too.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah.
Chad Ochocinco
Ain't no telling.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah, we're in the clear. Nikki saw our apology and she tweeted lol. Well, we got a funny little rap bar out of it. Thank you, Shannon. Because I was like she what I done did now. You never cleared it up with the barb. So we had, so I had to avenge them. Oh, you know, it's a whole love for life, but you know, you laugh when I heard it.
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, you know, listen, I, I, that's a friend of mine. Been a friend of mine for a very long time. Obviously that whole young money side. But I'm glad, I'm glad things are sorted out. I'm glad things are sort out. Now this is a step in the right direction.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco
And hoping. And then I'm listening. I just said that word. And assist, like, getting her to come on, come on, come on. On home club. Shay Shay, have a nice sit down. Hash out your differences. Talk about everything she has going on. And.
Shannon Sharpe
Nikki, when you have an album dropping. Come on, come on, sit on down. Yeah, everybody. Normally people that have projects coming out become sit down. We talk about it. You get to tell your story without interruptions.
Chad Ochocinco
So, yeah, I like it. I like it. That's dope.
Shannon Sharpe
I like it, too.
Chad Ochocinco
That's dope.
Shannon Sharpe
A guy posted a video with the caption when it's your first time getting a section in the club. But the math ain't mathing. Watch this video. Prices.
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, he comparing the price.
Shannon Sharpe
So he's paying the price. He playing the price, like, okay, if I were to buy it at the store versus what it's like at the club. Oh, they marked that thing up 300%, bro.
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, Abs, absolutely.
Shannon Sharpe
I mean, if you could buy a bottle at a bottle of wine. Say you buy a bottle of wine for $50, it's $300 in the club. Excuse me. Or the restaurant. Or you buy a bottle, $50 bottle, it's 400, $500 at the club, because guess what? You ain't at that store. And if you want to drink, you got to pay that price.
Chad Ochocinco
Listen, I don't. I don't understand how people do it, Uncle. I understand the markup. Listen, and then markups are in everything. Everything, whether it be clothes, whether it be jewelry. In the club shoes. It is. It's. It. But in the club, with my understanding, the markup on alcohol is outrageous.
Shannon Sharpe
Where you make your money at? Ocho.
Chad Ochocinco
And. And then they. They go in there, they got to know they buy bottle after bottle, bottle after bottle. And then you have something. I see on Twitter and I see on Instagrams, you got certain. Certain dudes, they go into the club and spend all this money and they have bottle wars, huh? To see who can spend the most money on alcohol. And then they be, you know, they'd be pouring it out.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I ain't never been one of those guys.
Chad Ochocinco
What kind of white man, What a shop.
Shannon Sharpe
We're gonna. But it's gonna be. It's gonna be on the field. It's gonna be, you know, it's gonna be. So I, I. I don't compete trying to spend the most money. I'm good. You win, Uncle.
Chad Ochocinco
It makes no sense.
Shannon Sharpe
It doesn't. It does not. Who you trying to impress?
Chad Ochocinco
It beats me. It beats me. I just. Damn, man. I don't know. Maybe I don't understand it because I don't drink alcohol. Maybe that's the problem. I don't understand it. So it's hard for me to wrap my mind around going to a club, having a section, buying bottles, having them come out with the sparklers, and, you know, the. It's just everybody has advice. I'm sure people look at me and say, well, yo, your black ass smokes cigars.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, did Kenya Martin send you them cigars yet?
Chad Ochocinco
Nah. Oh, not. What. How are you gonna send them to them? What. What address?
Shannon Sharpe
I don't know. What. I mean, somebody might have got him. Somebody might be smoking on him.
Chad Ochocinco
I don't know. But. Hey, hey, listen. You know what? Me and Ken, we gonna have to tussle. I don't really want to do nothing to him because that's my boy. I love Kenyan, but that's my boy. But I might have to put him in the guillotine.
Shannon Sharpe
Time now for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Chad Ochocinco
Okay. Oh, you still up?
Shannon Sharpe
Okay.
Chad Ochocinco
Bet.
Shannon Sharpe
Kemper, Norwood Jr. Said unk. Which rapper duo would you choose from? Lil Wayne and Gorilla or Lil Baby and Cardi B? Is this a trick question, Kemper?
Chad Ochocinco
That's a light one.
Shannon Sharpe
What were you going, man? Stop.
Chad Ochocinco
I'm asking.
Shannon Sharpe
I'll take Lil Wayne and Ashley.
Chad Ochocinco
Lil Wayne and Ash.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. Who you taking?
Chad Ochocinco
Hold on. Give me, give me, give me.
Shannon Sharpe
Say, which rap duo would you choose from? Lil Wayne and Glorilla or Lil Baby and Cardi B?
Chad Ochocinco
I'm.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm going.
Chad Ochocinco
I'm going with Wayne. I'm going with Wayne.
Shannon Sharpe
Duh.
Chad Ochocinco
Listen, listen. Ain't nothing wrong with little Baby and Cardi.
Shannon Sharpe
Now, Wayne a goat.
Chad Ochocinco
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you ain't got to tell me. I. I've been. I've been in the lab with Wayne. Now, what you talking about?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, and I like Glow. I like little real up country ass.
Chad Ochocinco
Hey, hey, Glow, funny boy.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, don't give me no. Hey, let me clarify. Cause everybody goes. Now they gonna run tell Cardi B. Shannon like gorilla. Better be like you. I had Glow on the show. Yeah, she was unbelievable.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, glow.
Shannon Sharpe
She's great. She funny shared her story, so. Because, you know, now, Ocho, if you say you like somebody, that means you hate somebody else, right? Ocho, you like bananas, man? Ocho. Ocho hate oranges. No, he just said he like bananas. That don't mean he hate oranges. Yeah, you see? So now if you. If you like something, that means you gotta hate. No, that's not. But if I had to choose, you gave. You gave me two choices. You got A or B. I choose A. That doesn't mean I hate B. That just means I chose A. I think A is better.
Chad Ochocinco
You're right.
Shannon Sharpe
I mean. Well, you got to have a clarification now, Ocho.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, I mean, you. You do. You know, people. People like to take things and run with it.
Shannon Sharpe
People like, oh, you bought a car. Oh, oh, so you. You don't like Mercedes, huh?
Chad Ochocinco
Oh.
Shannon Sharpe
Cause I bought a BMW, that means I don't like Mercedes. Or I bought a gas car, that don't mean I don't like EVS. So Ocho James Rivalo said, Oo 2 million subs by the weekend and. Hey, and you give UN money to someone from the chat. Hold on, Jay, what the hell you talking about? Give UN's money to somebody from the chat? The hell you say. Give un money to unk. How about that?
Chad Ochocinco
I got you. I got. That's a good one, though. I like that.
Shannon Sharpe
I like that.
Chad Ochocinco
I like that.
Shannon Sharpe
Nick Mars said, I feel bad for that Rook and Scentsy. If Ocho represents Cincy, we know they don't pay, right. You know what, Ocho? You just like the bingo they done rubbed off on you, but they don't want to pay their players. You don't want to pay me.
Chad Ochocinco
That ain't got nothing to do with it.
Shannon Sharpe
They do you a representation of Cincinnati.
Chad Ochocinco
I. I am. I am. Like, if. If I cut myself right now, I bleed black and orange, you hear me? But.
Shannon Sharpe
Well, I'll make sure that you. Somebody get. I'm call 911 so they can get you. So they can get over there and save you. So I get my 5900.
Chad Ochocinco
You got it. You got to understand, see, Mike Brown and Katie and Troy, they run a billion dollar enterprise. You know, I ain't. I ain't got that kind. I ain't got that kind of money. It's different. So they run their business a little bit different. So I got to hold on to mine until I get extra when I got extra and I can send you yours. See how that works.
Shannon Sharpe
What are you doing me the hell, Chad, how that work? So you owe somebody. So you owe your car. So you got a car payment or you got a mortgage. So you tell the mortgage company, you know what? I ain't got that. So when I get extra, I'll pay you. They say, okay, let 60 days pass. And you ain't got that extra. We got something for you.
Chad Ochocinco
Yeah, that's different. I like. I like. That's different, though.
Shannon Sharpe
How that different? The mortgage company want their money, I want mine.
Chad Ochocinco
Okay, I got you. I'mma send it to you. You done added interest anyway, so I got you.
Shannon Sharpe
I'm Glenn, for real said. Love you, uncle. No show. Great show. We appreciate that. Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy said, hey, fam. Can y' all please give a birthday shout out to my amazing son Xavier? I can't believe he's 29 years old. Thank you. Love X. Happy birthday, man. I know your mom and dad, extremely proud, great parents, man. Your mom and dad been so supportive. We greatly, greatly appreciate that, Doc. Appreciate you. You've been low, been down from the very. I remember seeing Dr. Frankie Bellamy looking at. Looking down and seeing it. Our first show, we lied that Sunday. That Sunday, Ocho. And when I was in New York and I looked down and I saw Dr. Frankie L. Bellman. She's been. I mean, she came to the Vegas show, she came to the Atlanta show, she came to the New Orleans show, and on most nights, she's in here faithfully. So, doc, thank you so much for your support and happy birthday, Xavier. Hopefully you had a great birthday.
Chad Ochocinco
Yes, sir.
Shannon Sharpe
29. Hey, got one moment for you, big three zero. Enjoy your 20s, bro. Enjoy your 20s. That conclude this episode of Nightcap. Thank you, everyone for joining us. Y' all know me, I'm your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp. My partner and co host, Liberty City's own bingo ring of fame honoree, Pro Bowler All Pro. That's Chad Oenko Johnson. And we want to thank the head coach of the Delaware State HBCU, three time Pro Bowler Super bowl champ, D. Jack DeShawn Jackson. Coach, go do what you do. You're raising, you're mentoring the future. Let them be great young men. Fathers, husbands, sons, brothers, role models. We know you're gonna do great. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And guys, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you you get your podcast from. Thank you guys for your support. Thank you for supporting us tonight. Thank you for all the nights that you supported us. We can't do this without you. All the awards, every. All the accolades that we've received before Nightcap, myself for Club Shay, the love and support that you've given me when I was on Undisputed and now with First Take, couldn't have done that without you. We greatly, greatly appreciate that. Thank you for your continued support and loyalty. Make sure you check out Shay by La Portier. We have it in stock and if you can't find it any city or state near you, we're coming to to a city or state near you. We're just not there now. Order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door. Best Tasting VSOP Cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Go follow my media company page on all of its platforms. Shay Shay Media and my clothing company 84 with 84 being spelled out, that link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone. So please grab yours while supplies last. Again, thank you for joining us. We'll see you tomorrow night after the game. OKC Indiana Will it be 31 Indiana or will it be 22 headed back to OKC? Sign out tomorrow after the game. Thank you guys. The Volume.
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Podcast Summary: Club Shay Shay – Nightcap, Hour 2
Episode Title: Nightcap - Hour 2: Unc and Ocho React to Shedeur Sanders Practicing with the Backups and Not the Starters
Release Date: June 13, 2025
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (NFL Legend) and Chad Ochocinco (Former NFL Wide Receiver)
Description: NFL legend Shannon Sharpe sits down with Chad Ochocinco to discuss the latest NFL developments, personal experiences, and life lessons. In this episode, Shannon and Chad delve into the Cleveland Browns' quarterback competition, focusing on Shedeur Sanders' current practice situation.
[02:27] Shannon Sharpe:
Shannon introduces the main topic by discussing Shedeur Sanders' current role in Cleveland Browns' practices. Despite being a promising quarterback, Sanders finds himself practicing alongside backups rather than starters like Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett.
Shannon Sharpe: "Shador said he's unbothered by practice reps... Life is just based on how you view different things."
Timestamp: [02:27]
[02:27] - [05:56]
Shannon emphasizes the importance of perspective when not getting ample practice reps. He highlights Sanders' proactive attitude, suggesting that viewing limited reps positively can lead to better preparedness when opportunities arise.
Shannon Sharpe: "There's no excuses, because when you get out there, nobody cares how many reps you got... Everybody cares about production."
Timestamp: [03:15]
Chad Ochocinco responds by questioning whether Sanders might be unprepared, referencing his consistent and poised responses during press conferences.
Chad Ochocinco: "I love this response. See, now you got me questioning whether or not he was unprepared..."
Timestamp: [03:37]
[05:37] - [09:56]
Shannon shares his own journey as a seventh-round draft pick, detailing his limited practice reps and how he stayed ready for his opportunity. He recounts conversations with his brother, who encouraged him to remain prepared for when his chance would come.
Shannon Sharpe: "Don't worry about that... Just make sure when he call on you, you answer."
Timestamp: [05:56]
Chad Ochocinco relates by describing his approach to practice, intentionally taking on roles that might seem minor (like scout team assignments) to gain valuable experience and demonstrate versatility.
Chad Ochocinco: "I would purposely go on special teams just to keep myself running through the whole practice."
Timestamp: [10:03]
[13:12] - [17:52]
The discussion transitions to team dynamics, draft strategies, and the importance of giving all players a fair opportunity to succeed. Shannon addresses rumors of the Browns manipulating draft picks and emphasizes his commitment to evaluating players based on performance rather than draft position.
Shannon Sharpe: "I'm going to give these guys every opportunity to succeed. Because I don't want y' all to make me look bad."
Timestamp: [13:48]
Chad underscores the significance of building a strong supporting cast around quarterbacks, highlighting how different players and coaches can influence a team's success.
Chad Ochocinco: "Once you in between them lines, there's two different type of players... which quarterbacks can elevate the people around them."
Timestamp: [36:30]
[17:52] - [31:02]
Shannon and Chad delve deeper into the virtues of patience and relentless preparation. Shannon narrates his experiences of waiting for the right moment to shine and the role his family played in instilling resilience.
Shannon Sharpe: "He said, that little one don't forget nothing."
Timestamp: [31:51]
Chad adds by reflecting on his own upbringing, sharing anecdotes about discipline and the lasting impact of his grandparents' guidance.
Chad Ochocinco: "I do anything to hear my mama curse me out one more time."
Timestamp: [27:37]
[31:02] - [51:57]
The hosts touch upon maintaining a balance between professional ambitions and personal life. They share stories from their youth, emphasizing the importance of family support and the lessons learned from early setbacks.
Shannon Sharpe: "They didn't want that. My grandmother dropped out of school in like the second grade."
Timestamp: [31:02]
Chad recounts memorable moments from his younger days, highlighting how overcoming challenges shaped his character and professional demeanor.
Chad Ochocinco: "I never forget that backhand."
Timestamp: [26:46]
[51:57] - [55:14]
As the conversation winds down, Shannon and Chad discuss contemporary issues such as the role of social media in athletes' lives and the importance of staying true to oneself amidst external pressures. They emphasize the need for self-awareness and continuous self-improvement.
Shannon Sharpe: "Straight up, I'm just the youngest... I'm just keeping what I got."
Timestamp: [24:15]
Chad reflects on the evolution of his career, acknowledging the changes in the sports industry and the necessity to adapt while maintaining core values.
Chad Ochocinco: "People like to take things and run with it."
Timestamp: [49:42]
[51:57] - [52:55]
In their closing remarks, Shannon and Chad offer encouragement to listeners facing similar struggles in their professional lives. They stress the importance of perseverance, readiness, and maintaining a positive outlook regardless of current standing.
Shannon Sharpe: "Shador, keep doing what you're doing, bro. I know your dad dealing with a little. Some health problems right now, but you've gone through adversity before."
Timestamp: [14:44]
Chad Ochocinco: "I love what Shador answered the question. It's like, look, first team, second team, third team. When they call my name, I'll be ready."
Timestamp: [13:55]
In this episode of Club Shay Shay's "Nightcap," Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco provide an insightful and heartfelt discussion on the challenges faced by backup quarterbacks like Shedeur Sanders. Drawing from their own experiences, they underscore the significance of resilience, preparation, and maintaining a positive mindset. Their anecdotes offer valuable lessons for athletes and individuals navigating competitive environments, highlighting that readiness and adaptability are key to seizing opportunities when they arise.
Notable Quotes:
Shannon Sharpe: "Nobody cares how many reps you got whenever you got in the game. Nobody cares if you took a snap before."
Timestamp: [02:27]
Chad Ochocinco: "Once you in between them lines, there's two different type of players... which quarterbacks can elevate the people around them."
Timestamp: [36:30]
Shannon Sharpe: "He said, that little one don't forget nothing."
Timestamp: [31:51]
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