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The NFL version of this topic Jalen Hurts was concerned for his teammates after signing the biggest deal in NFL history. Don't screw the team. Make sure my team is around, he told his agent. How am I going to Keep my team around. How are these guys still going to be paid? Nicole Lynn is his agent. I think he's one of the handful of guys that have a woman as an agent. She's a vp. I think she's a really high ranking official at Clutch Sports, the Rich Paul agency that he started. I'm very fortunate enough to meet her and some girlfriends at the fight. So I had a great conversation with her. But you see he's like, yeah, the highest paid. What good is the highest paid if we can't win? Because I'm trying to win championships and I know the team that I have around me because they're going to want paydays too. So I'm willing to take a little less and be able to keep X, Y and Z and PQ around as opposed to taking all this money and only be able to keep one or two of those guys around. You see his offensive line still intact. They were able to do something with Saquon. They now they re up, they re signed Brown, they resigned. Devontae Smith, they gonna be good for a while.
Bun B
He understands he's not bigger than the program. You know what I'm saying? He understands that, yes, we're successful and I may be the person that everybody focuses on because of the position I play. But anybody that understands this game know I get nowhere if we don't keep this O line intact. Correct. And the real money is in repetition, being competitive repetitiously. Right. Being a contender after year after year after year. And the only way to do that is to keep people. And you know, we've seen it, we've seen it done. We said, you know, the Patriots, that was part of the structure. Tom was like, no, don't give me all that money. I need this man. I need that guy and I need those people here. You know what I'm saying? Because Jalen understands as the faith of the organization, as the quarterback of the organization, I can get that money. We can go get that money through sponsorship deals and sneaker deals and all that stuff. We can get. We not the. The face of a Super bowl award winning team is not hurting for money. Nope. He's not hurting for opportunities for money. He's seen what that check was before, that check for everything and what that check is now post chip. So if we want more money, we got to win more chip. If I want to have more money and be a bigger force in this game, I've got to win more championships. And in order to do that, there are certain pieces that have to Remain. And if I got to take $20 million off of here to get 50 added later down there, let's run with it. I'm with that all day.
Shannon Sharpe
That's the only way. The NFL is great at that. Because the NFL knows, like, you know what, to generate new revenue, we've got to have new eyeballs. So we got to go. We got to find, like, hey, I've got to be a part of this. So Jalen says, you know what? Hey, I win another championship, people gonna say advertise. The sponsor gonna say, man, I need a piece of him. I need him to represent my product. I need him to represent my brand. I need to attach my brand to Jalen Hurts.
Bun B
Absolutely.
Shannon Sharpe
He understands it.
Bun B
And shout out to that brother, too. Cause I believe he got married this weekend. He did.
Shannon Sharpe
Congratulations.
Bun B
I would have catered them burgers. I'm right here in Houston. I could have catered them burgers for.
Shannon Sharpe
Him because I think he from Houston, isn't he?
Bun B
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. We are very proud of that brother.
Shannon Sharpe
Found one early when he didn't have a whole lot. Now he's got a lot. She's locked step with him. I love that. Congratulations. Hurts. Darren Waller says he decided to retire after the Giants made him play fullback against the Bills. I sit down on the sideline after the drive where we ran it like three times. I'm like, what the bleep am I doing with my life? I'm out here playing fullback. I don't even want to do this ish anymore.
Bun B
Was that because he was forced into that position?
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
Bun B
And you telling me no one else wanted him to play him at his natural position at that point, or was he just, oh, did that team in that situation frustrated him so much against the direction of the game that he just didn't want to play anymore?
Shannon Sharpe
That's what it seems like. Because it's hard for me to believe a guy as talented as he was. But I think it has more to.
Bun B
Do with that he didn't.
Shannon Sharpe
I don't think at that point in time he really loved the game anymore. So it's easy to step. It's easy to depart something when you don't love it. If you having a good. There are very few times bun you leave something, whether it's a party, it's a concert, it's an event, it's church. If you're having a good time, you more. You're less likely to leave now if you bored, you're like, man, this here for the birds. If you in church you throw that head up and boy, you know, you get that.
Bun B
You.
Shannon Sharpe
You put that Deacon ass head up and go on about that thing.
Bun B
I'mma say it like this, Shannon, you ever. You ever got ready to go somewhere that you know was going to be the turn up, they be like, all right, now look, we gonna go in here, we have one drink, gonna say, hi, everybody. I want to be out of here by midnight, right? And then you look at your wife. It's 2 in the morning.
Shannon Sharpe
It ain't happening.
Bun B
You just ordered three more bottles.
Shannon Sharpe
But you know what, bud? I've also been in a situation where I got dressed and I'm like, man, why am I going? I already know it's gonna be some bull jive and take my clothes right on up, off.
Bun B
I don't go to award shows really anymore. Me and my wife went to one, we was clean. I went and bought me a Brioni suit. Six racks. She had Versace head to toe, that Brioni.
Shannon Sharpe
You heard that?
Bun B
He said, brioni. Yeah. I said, I'm finna do that. I was like, this award, I'm nominated. I want to pop out. Come on, baby. We go. We finna pop out, man. We had them tight ass shoes on, and we ended up in line behind Mary J. Blige on the red carpet, man, we took some people, we left, and as a couple. We haven't been to an award show yet since. Like, it's too much, man. It's too much.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I think. But. But I think the. The crux of this, I think he had kind of fallen out of love with the game of football. And. And now I'm looking. But you know how sometimes you can look for a reason not to do something? Oh, you know what? That's it right there. So him playing fullback for three plays on one drive with just enough. With just enough put him over the edge.
Bun B
We used to. There was a time, and I wasn't proud of it, there was a time when UGK would tour. And when you're an artist and you tour, you put together what's known as a rider. And a rider is everything that you want ready for you when you arrive in the city. It's typically what you want for your dressing room, but it also extends into the sound equipment, what kind of board we're sending the sound through, what kind of speakers, you know what I'm saying? What does all of this look like? And there was a time where we had an airtight rider. And Chad's whole thing was every now and then we book a show where he knew they weren't gonna have everything on the rider and it's a deal breaker. Like if contractually, if I go to your city, you book me for a show and I say I need A through Z on there, and you forget H, L and W, I cannot perform and still get paid.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes, you're absolutely right.
Bun B
So there was a time where pimp was like, oh, man, I know they ain't gonna have it tonight. I know they not gonna have this, this and that. They don't even know how to find that type of equipment. So I know they not gonna have this tonight. And I try to get with the sour, man, I tell em, bro, you gotta spend a little bit more money. Cause you don't spend a little bit more money, bro, you gonna lose a lot of money. Because you got people that like you say they looking for an excuse to go home. But let me ask you this. Why would a football player, and I'm sure it's got to be several things. Why would. If that wasn't enough to really be to make a man want to quit the game, what would it be that would have frustrated Darren Wallace and not want to play? This is a guy that I used to draft on my fantasy football team all the time. The man was bound to do numbers. He was a good player. Is it not being paid properly?
Shannon Sharpe
Do you feel you don't have to be? Oh, he was paid probably one of the highest paid players. But Bunny, think about it. When he was motivated because he had some off the field issues, he did everything he sacrificed, got his life in order to to get back into the league because he had a desire to get in the league. At that point in time, he no longer had a desire to stay in the league. And like you said, if I'm looking for a re. I can, I promise you, if I'm looking for a reason not to go somewhere not to do something, I can find one.
Bun B
You very. That's very true. I'm Pawpaw. I'm looking for a reason to say on this over in my draws and watch tv.
Shannon Sharpe
Noah Lyles has canceled his race against Tyreek Hill in Times Square due to personal reasons. Cheetah ran 10 1,500 meters last week and Troll lives with a response response to Noah's. Tyreek could never signed after he ran the 60 meters in February. Noah could never.
Bun B
I don't understand this no allow situation of protesting so much in public.
Shannon Sharpe
Dallas do protest too much.
Bun B
I don't, I don't get It. I don't get it, I guess, because you know what? I've never. It's got to be some new shit with the Internet age. I've never seen Olympic champions, like, compare themselves to basketball players and. And all of that. Right. It's no less prestigious. Let's be very clear because.
Shannon Sharpe
But we only see you once every four years, bro.
Bun B
It's not. Some of the best basketball players to ever play this game never got a shoot.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Bun B
They never got a shoot. They never. They never were picked out. As one of the people that we want to put on a pedestal and parade through the press and all of this as a representative of that. Even if you were that look at the person that's been the biggest, highest level of representation in the space that you're in. Even when they got a shoe, it was because of culture more than anything. When Usain Bolt got his shoe, it wasn't just because he was the fastest man in the world. Right. It was a cultural thing. He carried his country on his back. Yes. You know what I'm saying? He was a larger than life personality. Correct. He was winning by seconds. Right. Like, not these tight point.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There was no photo finishing.
Bun B
No, no, not at all. He clearly dominated. Sha' Carri clearly dominated. You know what I'm saying? Those people that get those shoes, they're not question marks. And if you went around and asked people who's the fastest man in the world, a lot of them will probably still think you same both because they're not tied into that. They were all. They're gonna. If you ask. If you're not, first of all, you not even the face of track and field, bro.
Shannon Sharpe
No. Like Sydney McLaughlin.
Bun B
Let's start there.
Shannon Sharpe
Well, Sydney McLaughlin, LeBron.
Bun B
Right? So if you not even that dude in your space, why are you comparing yourself to people who are certifiedly that dude in their space, bro? Calm down.
Shannon Sharpe
When the last time you saw somebody with track spikes at the mall?
Bun B
I ain't seen nobody. I don't see him at the track. I see old people at the track. It's not America's pastime.
Shannon Sharpe
No, it's not. You way down there, you pass. It's not a pastime. You behind nascar, first of all, it's football and basketball and baseball and NASCAR and women's soccer, you way on down the list, bro. And it's something look more now. And you see what they've done is that they have the Olympics every four years and now they have in the world championships. So people are following A little more. But, bro, you. He's got to stop this hating on basketball players and say, well, they won't give me this. I mean, you got to go back. Really. Only two guys I can think of has ever really had a shoe. And you really had to follow track and field to know that's Michael Johnson and Usain Bolt. But you're talking about two of the greatest Olympians in the history of. In track and field.
Bun B
These were people. Michael Johnson was an anomaly at track and field.
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
Bun B
Like, it wasn't even a question. Like, that was one of the surest bets in sports for years, bro. Yes, years. He was. He literally brought that sport to the forefront of America because of how dominant he was. You're not that guy in track and field, bro. Like, track and field. I just want to be clear. No disrespect the track and field athletes. That ain't never been the pre. The pre. Modernis sports. That's never been the pre. Look what Jesse Owens had to do in this country.
Shannon Sharpe
Jesse Owens had to come back. He won three gold medals. He came back and had to raise horses. So this fascination, because there's so many other things. You got baseball, you got football, you got basketball in Jamaica. What other. I'm trying to think Jamaica, you got track and field. Track and field. And I think soccer. That's the big. That's the biggest thing you got in Jamaica. They don't play football, they don't play. They don't do tennis.
Bun B
Cricket.
Shannon Sharpe
Cricket, yeah. Okay.
Bun B
Yeah, yeah. That's their big thing. But I'm. But I'm.
Shannon Sharpe
But I'm saying, though. But you know, Noah is. Is in a. He's in a niche sport.
Bun B
I don't understand. I don't understand why he feels now all of a sudden that a track and field star is on the same level. Like, it's no disrespect to the athleticism. Right. We can't disrespect the athleticism of any of these Olympic athletes. We always. We all understand what it takes to become who that brother has become. Yes, but your beef ain't with athletes, bro. Your beef is with track federation. Nobody's. Nobody's going to invest in a shoe that people are going to buy. Why they buy track shoes? 1. Because track shoes are only meant to be worn on court and attract shoes. It only makes you faster on the track.
Shannon Sharpe
The track. Yes.
Bun B
That's the only place it applies. So a basketball player. Yes. They will get shoes because people will buy their shoes, put them on and go Fucking play basketball.
Shannon Sharpe
And guess what else they'll do? They'll walk in the street, you'll see them in the mall. They'll go to events in shoes, in tennis shoes. Shoes are just not for basketball shoes or just their fashion statement. Now, you see guys at red carpet events, you see guys at award show, you see guys wearing sneakers.
Bun B
So, yeah, that's the new thing, is tennis and tux. Tennis and tux. That's the new thing.
Shannon Sharpe
But he started this long ago, though, bud, and I didn't like it. Talking about he's a world champion of what? The usa, Bro. Come on, man.
Bun B
I think he trolling us, bro. I think he trolling us. I think he trolling us because he can't possibly believe that this is something that people are. That there's a popular opinion that you're right, that. Yeah, you know what? He should be this. No, no, I don't believe that. I believe other track people saying, shut up, boy. You finna fuck this up for everybody else.
Shannon Sharpe
Exactly. Exactly. And, bro, you're not usain. Because Usain. Usain was universally loved everywhere. In China, in Jamaica, in America. It didn't matter what Usain.
Bun B
Cause he was a winner. He was a win. And not, like you said, not just finish. Kentucky Derby shit.
Shannon Sharpe
He was transcendent. We're going to be talking about Usain Bolt 50 years from now.
Bun B
We're going to argue about how much faster he could have run in certain races because he slowed down.
Shannon Sharpe
I go to my grave believing had he not celebrated the last 10, 12 meters at Beijing, when he turns sideways and he's pounding his chest, he runs faster than 958. Absolutely.
Bun B
I don't think he. I don't think he felt the need to run. He was in those competitions.
Shannon Sharpe
He was daylight ahead of people. And still nobody's ever run faster than he ran. And he celebrated the last 10 meters.
Bun B
Crazy. Crazy. Noah, go sit down, bro. Sit down, bro. You ain't. Time out, money.
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, you effing it up for everybody else. I don't feel that way. Rob Benjamin said, I don't feel that way. Quincy Hall.
Bun B
I like where I'm at with this right now. Well, if that's the.
Shannon Sharpe
Hold on. If that's the case, hell, Michael Phelps should have got a shoot. Simone Bile should get a shoot if.
Bun B
We throwing our shoes. This is true. Because they're more accomplished than you in their sports. So I'm just trying. So they're Olympic champions and more accomplished than you. If they didn't get a shoe, Cindy.
Shannon Sharpe
Is A two time Olympic champ. She's the world record holder. She's a what? A two or three time. I mean, she skipped the last world championship. She's a two or three time world champion. She's the most dominant 400 meter hurdle. She might be one of the most versatile women in track and field history. Noah, you've never, you have any more than the gold medal in your signature event. And see and what Michael did, what really put Michael on the map is when the Olympics was in where Atlanta. He had the gold shoes on. He doubled the 400 and the 200. It's never been done in men, the women. Valerie Briscoe Hooks did it in 84. People don't realize she was the first to do it. And then Jose, Jose Marie Perrette, she did it. The French one, she doubled up in the two and the four. No, bro, you fighting a losing battle, bro. Do I think people say, I think he's phenomenal. I think he's phenomenal. He's great. But bro, just run, get the meat money. The Adidas, what they pay you, you break a record or you win the Diamond Leagues, or you win the U.S. you win the trials, you win the worlds, bro.
Bun B
But just go all villain at this point. Just go all villain, right?
Shannon Sharpe
Show up with a mask, you got.
Bun B
To do Floyd Mayweather and be the bad guy and try to get. And for people to pay to watch you lose that kind of a thing.
Shannon Sharpe
But he might as well get a mask. I'mma really, I'mma come. I'mma come out there with. I'mma come out there with cowboy. I ain't going to have my spikes. I'm going come out there with cow. I'mma come out there with cowboy boots and black leather trench coat and I'mma have a toy gun on my side. If you say you gonna go villain, just go all out, tell him go.
Bun B
Raise our show speed. Then I talk.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, you wanted to raise speed.
Bun B
I don't know. But if you want to race somebody, you want to prove how fast you is, go beat speed right now.
Shannon Sharpe
But you do realize that if he were to race speed of Tyreek, it'll get more views than if he what he won in the world Championships without.
Bun B
Question, more people would care. And that's the problem. Like we could track and field is really.
Shannon Sharpe
We care about what we care about the Olympics, that's every four years. Just imagine. And you can't. And even when they have Diamond League meets you, you can't watch them unless you go on the Internet. Unless you go on your computer and pull them up at Flo Track. Shout out to Flo Track for trying to advertise, trying to showcase. But bro, I'm just keeping a stack with you.
Bun B
We wouldn't even be talking about this man if he wasn't trolling us. Like, I think this is all a troll to get his. Get his name in a national conversation one way or another. Some people don't know the difference between famous and infamous, Shannon. They don't know the difference sometimes.
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Any Pusha T New Mute and New Pusha T Music Hey, Pusha T hasn't released music since 2018 and he has people constantly wondering who may get this. And this time it's Travis Scott, the latest target on his new clip single so Be It. Pusha was upset that Travis previewed his album Utopia to Forever in Paris with clips in attendance, but didn't play Drake's verse on Meltdown, a song that Drake taunts Pharrell and pushes Bun I don't know if you've been a part of any beefs. I thought Beef, I think you have been a little part of Little Something. A little Something something.
Bun B
Yeah, Little Something Something.
Shannon Sharpe
Where are you on? Where are you on Pusha?
Bun B
Pusher's a dangerous man. I had a conversation about Pusha many years ago with very good friend and mentor of mine Clark Kent. Okay, And Clark Kent DJ Clark Kent. Clark Kent told me this was in the beginning of the Pusha and Drake beef and I was like, this is going to be interesting. He said, yeah, but not like people think it's going to be interesting because this dude operates in a space where he really don't have nothing to lose. And I didn't really. That's a dangerous man. I didn't really understand it at the time, and it took me a while to. To really grasp what he meant when he said it, because I don't typically get in these things. Right. But I understand confident how confrontation works. And you do not get. You try to avoid it all. Cause a man with nothing to lose. Correct. Entertainers, we're mostly beholden to the public. Most of us make more money on touring, selling merchandise, and those type of things. And in order to really capitalize off of that, you have to be with high standing and high favor. You gotta be like a rich dude that a man that makes his money outside of music doesn't have to worry about that in that way. Pusha T is not beholden to the public in the way that a lot of the rest of us are. He operates in a space where regardless of whether his albums go platinum or double platinum, like that he's gonna eat very well. Long as Pharrell eating, he gonna eat. So that's not a threat. They don't do friends anyway.
Shannon Sharpe
So rubbing.
Bun B
People the wrong way is not a problem. They're prepared to not be in favor. That's a dangerous man. That's a dangerous man. I'm not saying that's a man that's gonna automatically beat you, but that when you go up against somebody that ain't got nothing to lose in the situation. I'm not gonna lose no money. I'm not gonna lose no social standing. I'm gonna keep being who I was. I'm not gonna lose a meal, my family. Not gonna lose the quality of life. You be very careful when you decide to go toe to toe with somebody like that. You be very careful. Because most of us do have things to lose. Most of us do need public favor in order to make money of it. Most of us do need relationships and friends and not to burn bridges with people in order to sustain certain qualities of life. I don't think that brother operate like that. And when somebody. And there's a freedom that comes in writing when you don't. Let me tell you something. There's a difference when you make music because you have to, as opposed because you want to. There's a difference. There's a freedom that comes with that. There's a confidence that comes with that because you're not thinking, oh, what if? So and so what if. Then what if these people what if.
Shannon Sharpe
It don't get no play?
Bun B
What if Pitchfork don't put me on the list and all of this type of stuff. What if Apple don't put me on the playlist or I don't get on the Spotify playlist? All of these things. Some people don't. That. That's not contingent on them eating at night. For most of us, it's absolutely a part of it. It's an unavoidable part of it. But I don't think he operating in that space. So I think he is willing to just throw caution to the wind and be like, you know what? I don't really fuck with him anyway. And they not lose. They don't push is not. You don't see push at award show. You don't see them at clubs and parties. They don't mix like that. They mix with their own. And they pretty good on the streets as well. So it's. Whatever. That being said, Travis ain't about to back down. Travis ain't about to back down.
Shannon Sharpe
So you think Travis coming back. Travis gonna come back with a purse on his own.
Bun B
I wouldn't be surprised if you hear something before the weekend. No, it's either. It's either go into it or act like it didn't happen. But the problem is, is that the people are going to demand a response. When these things happen. You have to respond.
Shannon Sharpe
You can't. I'm gonna be the biggest man. I'll let it. I'm just gonna let it go. Hey. Like a water off a duck's back. I'm just gonna let it roll down.
Bun B
And not if that ain't been a part of your character all this time. You know what I'm saying? You can't be walking around with gloves on waiting for somebody to tie him up and then turn down the first fight you get.
Shannon Sharpe
Wow.
Bun B
You know what I'm saying? So. And I've been around Travis enough to know that no, he's not finna take that line down. He's absolutely not going to allow his public perception to be played with like that. But you gotta be careful when people try to bait you in.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, yeah.
Bun B
You know what I'm saying? You gotta be very careful.
Shannon Sharpe
Pusha is a dis artist. He got one of the best diss.
Bun B
You know him.
Shannon Sharpe
He went at Drake.
Bun B
He operates in his face. This is not new to him. This is not a problem for him. And he don't answer to people in that way. Not saying that Travis answered the people, but Travis got a fan base that's huge. Like, international. Millions and millions of people around the world who have bought into Travis Scott. You know what I'm saying?
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. That's why he got the collab with sneaker Nike.
Bun B
And, you know, he's got the relationship with Louis Vuitton as well. Adidas, all these kind of things Odomos beget. Absolutely. So this is going to happen, and it's not going to look, We've only heard two songs, and he did somebody on both songs. It's not over. I think there's a couple of more targets.
Shannon Sharpe
Damn.
Bun B
I think there's a couple more targets. There's no telling who Pusha don't like for whatever reason. And there's no telling if he's going to decide to speak on him. You know what I'm saying? Not a quiet guy. He's not a quiet guy. He's not a scary guy. Not easily pushed around. You know what I'm saying? No pun intended. So it's going to be interesting to watch how this play out. It really is. Because Travis is either going to have to ignore it or go all in.
Shannon Sharpe
Wow.
Bun B
That's. That's the only way these things work. Cause I don't. I don't push as a guy. I say what I said and I'm done kind of a thing. So if there's more slugs to be shot, it's going to be at more rappers. It won't be multiple shots at one or two people. If he go. If he jumping off, so he got.
Shannon Sharpe
To hit the porch.
Bun B
If he jumping off the porch, he's going to jump all the way off the porch. Not two steps down.
Shannon Sharpe
He ain't looking to get off and get back on. He going to stay off the porch. He off. He off.
Bun B
But I like this stuff, man. It keeps raps fun, it keeps it fresh, and it reminds people to not get comfortable. That's the one thing I like.
Shannon Sharpe
Stays on wax.
Bun B
That's fine. That's fine. And I don't think these guys move in the same social circles to where their camps would ever really kind of be when people are aware of these things. Right.
Shannon Sharpe
So they try to avoid each other.
Bun B
Well, it's not even them promoters, the smart promoters will try to avoid that. Most people's teams won't allow them to be booked in the same place anyway. Because you'd have to be a messy promoter to try to book, you know, like Drake and Kendrick at the same festival, Drake's people. Not. Because only one can open, can close. Right.
Shannon Sharpe
And both of them feel they, they, they. They break the house down.
Bun B
And so this promoter is not going to get Internet or they representation is not going to allow them to be pulled into that type of thing. So it's going to be interesting to see how many people he disowned his album and how those were. People respond because rap demands a response now. Because, like, I talked about the equipment, you know, music equipment and all that stuff is so much cheaper. The technology is cheaper. So you ain't got to wait and book no studio. Most of these dudes are multimillionaires. They got a studio at the crib. Yeah, we can go in and make some. Make something about this right now. What do you think? Hold it back.
Shannon Sharpe
Do you think we're going to see more of this? Because of the success that Kendrick had with his shot that he took at Drake, and you look at what it parlayed into. He got the Super bowl. He got, what, five Grammys? He's selling out the most, I think $14 million in one show. All of his shows with SZA is selling out. Are we heading down a path where people see that this is a way that. Okay, we saw what Kendrick did. Let's take this road, too.
Bun B
You gotta bring ass to kick ass. So I would not recommend people think that that's how that goes, that you dis somebody jump out there. No, no, no. That's not how that works. First of all, you got to be more talented than the other person. You know what I'm saying? Kendrick is one of the most single, talented, single most talented writers we have, one of the deepest thinkers that we have. So going up against everybody ain't gonna be your forte, you know what I'm saying? Everybody ain't built to be dissed. I don't know if people understand that. Everybody's not built for public humiliation. You know what I'm saying? Like, some people will overthink those things, and I don't. I've never fought everybody that I knew I could beat up.
Shannon Sharpe
You get no satisfaction out of that.
Bun B
Yeah, I don't get no points. I don't get no credit. You know what I'm saying? It's a weaker person, so punching down is not going to work. And everybody can't punch up, so somebody's got to lose. So again, it all goes back to, yeah, you can engage in this stuff, and it'll be fun and you'll get some streams or whatever, but somebody gonna lose. And can you afford to lose in those spaces? I feel like Pusha Can. I don't think being popular changes anything for him, you know what I'm saying? He's always been a unique taste. Like he's made street music and they've had commercial success, but they've never toured in that way. Right? They've never. They aren't dependent on the other parts of the machine that everyone else is solely dependent on because we don't have somebody like Pharrell who's, you know, always going to produce everything we do so we know we're getting a hit record, who's always going to have his hands into some major cultural happenings, you know what I'm saying? So we'll always be a part of it. It's always doing these huge deals. So we'll always be in this position of financial benefit working with him. So all this other shit ain't nothing. We just having fun. I believe this is very, very fun for pushing because there's no threat to anything, right?
Shannon Sharpe
Complex listed the 30th, 30, corniest rap beef of all time.
Bun B
You see that list?
Shannon Sharpe
We gonna put the list up there.
Bun B
So I have not seen this list. Please put this list up.
Shannon Sharpe
We can't. Okay, I'm gonna name a couple of them. Coolio and Weird Al. True Life and Jim Jones, Nelly and Chingy Bad, Harvey and Alabama Barker, Six, Nine and Triple Red. Nicki Minaj and Ransom Kim vs. Lil Kim, Nicki Minaj, et cetera. Gilly the Kid vs. Lil Wayne. Joe Budden vs. Drake, Jermaine Dupri vs. Dr. Dre and Timberland. Tiger vs. Drake, Luda vs. Big Sean and Drake. Soulja Boy vs. Bow wow, JCole vs. Cannabis Joy. Badass vs. Lil B. Charles Hamilton vs. Soulja Boy. Young LA vs. Ali Boy, Eminem, Nick Cannon, PM Don, KRS One, Terry Kennedy, Lupe Fiasco, Common, Drake, MC Hammer, Jay Z, Lil Kim, Nicki MinajT, KRS One, Nelly, Timberland, Scott Starch, Ice T, Soulja Boy, the Game, Jay Z.
Bun B
About three or four of them was with Soulja Boy.
Shannon Sharpe
You thinking the same thing.
Bun B
He hit it with somebody all the time. You know, there was a lot of resentment for him just on general principle. People thought that he hadn't sacrificed or worked hard enough to get what he had gotten. You know, he had worked.
Shannon Sharpe
Boy. You know, he had the first iPhone, right?
Bun B
Okay, yeah, he had the first.
Shannon Sharpe
He had the first microphone, too.
Bun B
You know, that he probably. He'll say he had the first trip burn. Now, the only one of those that weren't corny, the only one of those out of all Those you named. That was actually a situation which it didn't have anything to music was a true life Jim Jones type situation. That was something that was. Was not music. That was something that spilled into music from some street things going on. So that one was actually. That wasn't corny. That people could have really gotten hurt with that in that situation. But the rest of the stuff, people would argue whether or not some of those people are even considered rap legitimate rappers. Like. Yes. Weird. Weird Al. Come on, bro. Why. Why are we even. Coolio and Weird Al recipes. Coolio, first of all to the og.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Bun B
But yeah, Weird rapping, Weird Al don't even go together in a sense.
Shannon Sharpe
Bad Barbie and Alabama Barker, really, That's what we doing.
Bun B
Are they really even considered like. And I've known Alabama since he was a little girl. I've had a relationship with Travis for many, many years now. I just don't. They just playing on the Internet, bro. They're not. These people are not rappers. They make rap music. And that's the problem. Like, we live in an age now where people make rap music who aren't rappers, but they have a following. You know what I'm saying? You have a lot of streamers, right? These guys stream for, you know, their content is fairly long. So a lot of them, they're streaming for hours. And they can only get, you know, that one person, that one view during that stream. But if they make a song and the song's only three minutes long, as opposed to a one hour stream, they can get replays on that stream. So you have guys like I met the guy Rice Gum. He's from. He's with the Faze Clan and all those guys, the streamers, right. He's one of the top streamers in the world. And he made a record just because he could. And it got like 8 million views in like no time. Because he's already got the audience, he.
Shannon Sharpe
Already got a following. Yep.
Bun B
So views don't. Views don't. Don't mean views don't equal talent. And I'm not saying that Rice didn't have any talent because for a streaming he was. He was a decent enough rapper, whatever. But that don't mean talent. And that shit don't translate in the real world. You have a lot of people that get a lot of attention online. They get a lot of streams and all of that, but they couldn't book a show to save their life. Cause nobody really wants to see an extended version of that in. In the world. Like, I ain't Got time to really go, yeah, I watch it, but I.
Shannon Sharpe
Ain'T gonna pay no money to go watch it.
Bun B
Right, right, exactly. You know what I'm saying? So a lot of these people, they, they just trying. They playing that rap, you know what I'm saying? Now, you know, the J. Cole, the Commons and all of those people are right. A lot of that stuff is just misunderstanding, you know what I'm saying? A lot of those were just really misunderstandings and people like, like I, I don't like why this guy is here. And they don't really even know these people, you know, third base, MC Hammer and all of that type of stuff. Where to be honest, no beef with Hammer was cornered because Hamill was really about them streets. Camel was really outside. But, but people think they can shoot at low hanging fruit. That's everything you talking about. One of those people thought they was really rapping and they thought the other person really wasn't even going to be able to hang in the competition. But this, we live in the Internet age now. This has very little to do with the music. It's always about the content and going live and talking shit on people and calling people out their name and pulling up and yeah, man, we pulled up my old block and we done pulled up over here and ain't nobody outside where y' all at? We out here and all of that. It goes beyond the music. The music gonna be one video post, but the beef gonna be 25. Because we're not buying in. We're not just buying music. No motion. I don't think people realize that. We're not buying music. We buying any personality. We're buying the person. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? The music is cool, but as far as the average consumer feels, everybody can rap, everybody can make songs. My doorman, the boy at the Laundromat can make, can make a rhyme. The guy that brought my dinner to me at the restaurant, he can rhyme. They can all rap, but who are you as a person, you know what I'm saying? People can't just like, they want to.
Shannon Sharpe
Feel like they're part of you. They want to feel like they really know you.
Bun B
They want to go on that walk with you. I tell all up and coming artists, film everything, shoot everything, you know, and shoot it all because you don't know what part of your life people gonna actually connect to. I was doing music for years. I put up posts and all of that, and I get a reasonable response. But we started doing food videos a couple of years ago. With my granddaughter, me and my wife, My granddaughter started doing food videos. I started a YouTube page. I got 137,000 followers on my YouTube page because I was doing like 60 second Instagram videos. And that started the blog, which started Trill Burgers. I had no idea people were interested in what I was eating for dinner.
Shannon Sharpe
Right.
Bun B
You know what I'm saying? So you share all of these things and you find out what clicks, you know what I'm saying? You've got a bigger relationship with the public now as a. As a podcaster, as an interviewer than you probably ever had as an athlete ever. It's not even now that you real. And now that you realize that gives you a stronger, deeper connection with people. Now we can really play with this. That's what y' all wanted for me, was to talk. Y' all must not know how much I like to talk Anyway, so let's get. Let's get to it. Let's get to it.
Shannon Sharpe
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Timberland got blasted on social media for using a producer's beat and a producer's tag to train his AI platform. Suno Tim previewed a demo record which utilized the Beat tag from K Fresh and lyrics from Tik Tok creator. He sought to make a new version of the song, but users quickly noticed they were a bit too similar. They called out the Virginia producer using real music made by human beings to train AI without crediting or paying them. Bun and I remember. I remember having a conversation with Tim because I had him on the pod and he said he was nervous about this. Bun, do you think about the controversy? What do you think's going on with Tim and his new AI creation.
Bun B
I think, for one, it's uncharted territory and I think it's still in very early stages of the technology. I think it's going to grow over leaps and bounds over the next couple of years because they covered so much ground in the last 10 years with AI technology, you know what I'm saying? AI companies are starting to pop up more and more, and they're all billion dollar companies. People are flooding these companies with all kinds of money. I think it's. I think this is a problem. I think that we're not thinking about this, what they're doing now. The only way that AI can do these things is if you feed it information. You have to feed it information. I know on a very small level, on the introductory level, there are musicians who are feeding AI machines their voices, their cadences, their tones, some of them, the way they play instrumentation. And now the AI program can replicate what a rhyme from you would sound like without you having to write it, what chords being played would sound like without you having to play it. You know what I'm saying? That's very dangerous. Here's the real danger, though, Shannon. What I believe we live in a digital world, right? All these. Everything digital has what they call watermarks, right? And watermarks are what they use to track the technology as it goes out into the world. So companies can be like, oh, that's what they doing. That's our technology. I bet you we can find it in the code, right? That kind of a thing. I think everybody that's utilizing this stuff right now, I feel like one day ChatGPT can wake up one day and say, everybody that's ever made music using my technology, we own a piece of. And there's nothing you can say. I don't believe anybody's read the agreement, right? I'm sure if somebody got through these chat GPT and all these different AI companies agreements, when you agree to utilize the technology or download the app and all of that, I guarantee that they are going to go back, find out everything that was created using their technology, that profited, that was sent out into the world as commerce, and people spent money on it. They don't come back the same way that older artists are coming back because somebody sampled their music, right? I've created that. You took my creation and manipulated it without paying me. You owe me money. I believe these people are giving this technology out to people for free in the hopes that they utilize it unknowingly. Giving these companies a piece of this intellectual property, because it's all intellectual property.
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely.
Bun B
You know what I'm saying? So I think I. I won't touch it. I won't download it or nothing, because. Not that I'm against it, you know, for recreational use, I guess that's fine if it helps organize things or put things together, you know, however, that I understand. But when we're talking about utilizing this technology to manipulate intellectual properties, bro, we playing a dangerous ass game. Because somebody could just start feeding AI Timberland's beat structures, you know what I'm saying? They can start utilizing his drum patterns and put that in and make a trembling record without him, you know. Wow. And you're opening yourself up, quite frankly, with the way he's doing it to a whole lot of litigation and a whole lot of trouble. Personally, I. I don't think America is the market for that. Japan, China's been doing it for years.
Shannon Sharpe
Right.
Bun B
You know what I'm saying? But that's a cultural thing. There's. They're so. They socialize different in certain countries. So having a relationship with someone that, that. I know this shit sound crazy, but having a relationship with a machine for some people fits their lifestyle a lot better. It doesn't work like. Because they don't have. They don't have the social graces to go out and meet people and commune with people in that way. So this is a healthy, in their minds, alternative. But here, no, at some point, we don't want to see somebody get on stage and sing this shit.
Shannon Sharpe
Exactly.
Bun B
You know what I'm saying? And, you know, it's the. It's the allure, right? It's the allure. Like Megan Thee stallion is a famous person because men find her attractive, women find her attractive. You know what I'm saying? There's an allure to it. Japan and China has that very strange relationship with technology in that way where they don't just make robots, they have relationships with robots and pillows and all of that type of shit is different. I don't think that he can break a star like that because at some point, somebody got to get on the stage, somebody got to sign an autograph, somebody got to take a picture, you know, And I don't think we want to see a robot and a computer do that to the point of touring right today. But you, you know, you never know.
Shannon Sharpe
Ten years from now might be different.
Bun B
Look, I'm an analog dude. I come up on eight tracks and putting 45s on the record. I'm not knocking it, but I Think we don't understand it enough to utilize it in the way that we try to utilize it. I think that's the real problem with Tim. I don't think he's really thinking of the cons. Everybody uses AI for what they think they can make it work for, but nobody's thinking about how this could set back. And Timberland is such a major impactful player in the entertainment industry that that shit could really. People would follow suit if he became successful, if he and his artist become successful. This will be a thing. This will be a whole thing.
Shannon Sharpe
Will Smith is reflecting on raising Jaydn and Willow and revealed that honesty isn't always the best when parenting your children. We made a very, very, very, very terrible mistake with our children, and we went, radical honesty, but don't do it. I'm not advocating for it. I'm not advocating for it. We made a deal from really young with our kids. The deal was, you tell the truth, you won't get in trouble. He explained that the parenting style backfired with the two youngest kids. The only way you can get in trouble in this house, that if we find out you did something and you didn't tell the truth, it was a mistake. It was terrible because they do whatever they want, and then they come tell you it's awful. Don't try it. You want your kids to lie. Definitely don't want to know stuff your kids are thinking of doing. Bun, you got kids. You got grandkids. And a lot of times, you know, the thing is, if you're not careful, Bun, you kind of raise your kids kind of the way you was raised, because that's what, you know. You know, you. You see the way you, you know, might yell and the least little thing might set you off, but you got to, you know, especially if, you know, you guys, you got to try to break that cycle. He said that if you tell us the truth, you won't get in trouble. Bull jive.
Bun B
I don't. I don't know how they kept that up, to be honest, because, yeah, your parents will say that, but you. When you really start telling what you really do, we don't have some problems in this house.
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, yeah.
Bun B
You know, and I don't understand this idea of being raised a certain way. Constantly telling people that the way you was raised made you how you were, and then you refuse to instill any of that into your children. Correct. I don't understand these people. That, for example, the coaches that I. When I was in school, the coaches was built a certain Way.
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely.
Bun B
Coaches were built a certain way. And the players, they didn't like running. They ain't like the drills. They ain't like none of that stuff. And those are the coaches now. You know what I'm saying? So we're getting a lesser version of what we had. I don't understand why people whose life trajectory was determined based on the fact of the discipline that was inserted into their life and to deny their children that same discipline. We the only generation, Shannon. We're the only generation that ain't sacrificed quality of life. Our children, we want Jo, we want our kids enjoyments and we want Jordans. We want our kids in nice folks and we want nice folks. My old man didn't even. I remember that man ain't use lotion, bro. Like his life was not about modern convenience for him. It was about convenience for the family. Correct? But when you don't have to struggle like that, it's different. The house my kids grew in is different from the house that my grandkids visit. Right? Like, absolutely, yes. We had to work up to this house, but they were born into this house. Correct? You know what I'm saying? So they just think that's how it's supposed to go. Somebody like Will Smith. And I know for a fact Will Smith came up hard in Philly. I know for a fact Jada Pinkett came up hard in the back. Right? And I know they are strong willed as they are because of the discipline that was instilled. Because they could have very easily been taken away by the community that they lived in. We understand those things that still exists in rich neighborhoods too, because it's bad. Rich kids too. You know what I'm saying? Those kids tend to get away with more because the parents could get them out of most. So the idea of letting your children live a free life. No. As long as they tell you the truth. This shit I still can't admit to my mom id, I might still get popped upside by here.
Shannon Sharpe
No.
Bun B
And there's things that my mama told me she knew that I didn't even know she knew I did.
Shannon Sharpe
Some things you just take to your grave, bud.
Bun B
I just. I have a nephew I won't get too deep into, but I have a nephew. And his daddy was a certain way when he was young. His daddy was a very, very well known person in the city. And his mama tried every. He tried everything to not let him know who his daddy. How his daddy really, really got down. Man. Once that boy found that out that she thought he was old Enough to deal with the reality of that trouble. Went out there trying to be like his dad, trying to live up to a life that was never meant for him, that he was never a part of, to never say, just to see if it was ending. Then you end up in the penitentiary, you end up in jail, and all this stuff. Now, in retrospect, you realize you chasing out the son. You should.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah. That's not you. That was his life. That's not yours.
Bun B
Right, Right.
Shannon Sharpe
But you know what, Bun? That's how you have to be. And I told my kids, I don't. You know, I live my life. I say playing in the NFL was my dream. That's not yours. You live your dream.
Bun B
Yes.
Shannon Sharpe
So when you try to. When you start trying to live somebody else's dream, that's where you run into problems. I didn't push my. Well, man, I got a son, bro. You ain't gonna play football. You ain't gonna play basketball. You're not gonna do X, Y, and Z. But that's not his dream. That was mine. I want you to be whatever you choose to be. I just want you to be the best you can at it.
Bun B
I'd rather you be a good you than a bad knee.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, absolutely. There it is. That's it.
Bun B
I would much rather you be the best version of you than a bad version of me.
Shannon Sharpe
Smith recently dropped an album. His first album in 20 years. His new song got killed online. Bun, why do you think Will refocused on music? Cause he's the first guy to win. People don't realize. Some do. But Will was the first artist to win a rap Grammy.
Bun B
Absolutely. Now, Will's always been ahead of the curve. I think this is a new way of him re. Engaging with the public. You know, Will. Will jumped on social media with a splash.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
Bun B
Because no one that had ever been that famous in that world had ever opened up their life like that. Right. Right. And it started with his. His Instagram page. Will was going all over the world, all over the world. All this crazy shit on Instagram, and. And we were drawn to it that same time. Red Table Talk. We get to look, you know, pull the curtains back on the wizard and see this very. Have to see these people have this very vulnerable conversation. You know what I'm saying? I think we'll just. I think this is a lot easier for him to do right now. I don't think movies is a big thing for him right now. I think this is just a different way for him to engage with people and I can understand that because you see a lot of other actors doing a lot of that stuff now, trying to go out, Tom Cruise going to, you know, all the movie theaters and hanging out with the people and stuff like that, you know? But I think with Will, you can't. You can't chase the drag. Like, Will has all the resources that you need to release an album to have impact internationally. But again, you got to read the room. Just because you can do some things don't mean you should. Just because you can go somewhere don't mean you need to be there. Right. And. But Will Smith can do this, and this don't really change nothing. Nobody's gonna stop seeing the movie because of Will Smith did an album that they didn't care for. Correct. Nobody's gonna.
Shannon Sharpe
Because they're two separate things.
Bun B
Absolutely. And we don't expect everybody to be great at everything they do. I know. I don't. I don't think everybody to be great at everything they do. I expect you to be good at what you don't want to be good at.
Shannon Sharpe
Because I might like Will Smith the movie star, but not like Will Smith the actor.
Bun B
I mean, the rapper. Some people may not even know who it is. Right. Let's let. You can look at it in two ways. Right. You can look at it. The hip hop. The hip hop fans who may not be all the way with him in the movies. Correct. Some of his movies might be different. And then you may have some movie fans that may not be all the way in on the music. Like I said, I got people that come and eat the burger. They don't even know who Bunby the rapper is. So you may have a lot of Will Smith fans, particularly internationally, who some of them may not know, although he's so tied in with the Fresh Prince and the TV show, and everybody knows that song.
Shannon Sharpe
Right?
Bun B
Right. But I don't think there's. I don't think there's a high level of expectation. I don't think anybody expects more out of his record than he does. And it could be. This could be marketing. Right. This could be just a way to. Because if you notice, everything he's doing is international, like the videos, the concerts, the performances, all the street shit. Everything he's doing to engage with people is internationally, because I'm almost certain he's a bigger star internationally than he is here. So this is just probably. We love Will Smith. We grew up with Will Smith. We've been on him for years. We don't go see Will Smith. I think because he's not doing a multitude of action movies and shit right now like he normally do. This just a way of keep keeping itself on people's minds. Like Hope make albums now, Hope don't make an album to make, to make. To make money off of music. Hope uses it to keep his public profile at a high level, to perpetuate other income revenue streams that he got coming in.
Shannon Sharpe
How much you think is from the blowback because of what happened with him and Chris Rock? Do you think he's still suffering from that bunch?
Bun B
I wouldn't say suffering. Right. I think the people that don't like him for that, don't like him for that. But people that are famous like Will Smith will always have not just fans, they'll have psychopaths. Right? So there's always going to be a contingency of people that want Will Smith, Smith's entertainment. Right. They're going to want that. There's no way around it. He's a bigger force in that space than Chris Rock. And it's not like they get less Chris Rock because of what happened. They get pretty much the same amount of Chris Rock. So I don't think. I don't think it's pushed back on that professionally now, personally, he may be going through something where he feels like he's got to reinvigorate the image, go out there and make himself likable and lovable again to people that could be happening because it can't be for money. Right. He can't be making his music for money. So it's got to be a way that he thinks he can better rebuild the relationship with people that may be looking at him a certain way. I don't think it's necessary, but he may think it's necessary because like we talked about LeBron, he's one of those people that like to be liked, that's for goddamn sure. That's the big thing about Will Smith. He always come in with that big smile. He's very engaging, very entertaining, very likable, very approachable, very personable. Those kind of people don't like it when they not.
Shannon Sharpe
They're not.
Bun B
Yeah. They don't feel like they're being loved in the public fit. So it could just be for him because the career don't need it. But maybe internationally, it might be some shit he got to do because maybe that translated different over there when he did that.
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Mariah Carey still doesn't believe in birthdays or the passage of time. I just don't believe in time. I don't have a birthday. Anniversaries yes, but birthday no.
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You gotta love Mariah. You gotta love Mariah Carey. The more the older I get and the more we start to know about Mariah care because she was very private for a long time. Yes, she was very private about a lot of things for for a long time. I don't think we realize and I'm going to say this, I don't think we realize how black Mariah Carey is. I think, I don't think we realize that's a real sister. Right. Compared to what the public perception might be. And I heard she's a fool too. Like she's a very funny, like very, very down to earth person. This is par for the course. I remember all the shit with JLo like I don't know this person and all that. Mariah Carey's a whole fool. Like for real. And for her to want to marry and make kids and do all of these things with Nick Cannon really tells me like you a fool. Like is that your bug? I don't mean crazy. I mean like you got a real personality like you. You something to say some wild shit, right? That's who Mariah Carey is. That's why Mariah Carey don't do a lot in public because she knows she prone it. She prone to say crazy things. Yes, absolutely. I I love it because she been consistent. She is who she is. She don't do shit for Cap. She don't do shit for the cameras. She only come out when she comfortable. This whole thing with Anderson pack is very interesting. I love this new song. She had a new single that's written and produced by Anderson Pack, who's an amazing artist. And they also saying that they a couple now too. Right. You know what I'm saying? So those things are always good for music. When artists get in a relationship with somebody, they can create together. That's always a good and fun thing. And she looked happy. Yes, she looks happy as hell. She's always had this very awkward energy in public kind of a thing because I feel like she knows she can't be herself. Correct. The image has been presented a certain way as to how Mariah Carey moved. And don't get me wrong, she's as classy as she present herself. She's all of that. But soon as that soon as the camera cut off, you could tell, she, oh, shit, girl. What's up? Like, yes. You know what I'm saying? Ready to release. So I'm happy for Mariah. Mariah not celebrating birthdays. That's very Mariah of her.
Shannon Sharpe
Bon, let me know what you think. Jadakiss is still upset about not making the top five on complex top 50 New York list. If we were to do a top 50 Houston list, bun, is Bun going to be in the top 10?
Bun B
There's an argument to that, and I'm going to tell you why. Because technically I'm from Port Arthur. That's the way that I'm. I've been put in this lexicon. UGK typically is taken out of that conversation for Houston taking, not Texas. Oh, no, you're gonna have hell trying to be better than that. Some Texas.
Shannon Sharpe
Okay, since it's New York, we gonna make it. We gonna make it Texas then.
Bun B
No, you can't even have that conversation. You can't even have that conversation without me. And I'm not, I'm not. I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but there's a certain style of rapping that didn't even really exist in Houston before I started rapping a certain way. Like being a. Being a lyricist wasn't necessarily a requirement. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't necessarily something you had to do to be successful here because it wasn't a demand primary. But I never felt like I felt like I was already way past my competition here, so I was competing with everybody. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, there's no way you could. The only way you take me out of it is that it's like, no, but we don't mean you. We don't mean like you and face or whatever. But if we talking about everybody top five from Texas. Man, I gotta watch my mouth on this. Y' all really trying to be cool about it. I, I, I honestly don't think there's five people from Houston that can rap better than me. That's from the state of Texas. That's better than me. I give you DLC and Scarface. I give you DLC and Scarface.
Shannon Sharpe
That's it.
Bun B
That's it. Maybe three, two. Maybe recipes. Three, two. But, yeah, they got.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, I'm looking at this list. Yeah, they got. They, they do got. They got Jada. Damn. They got Jada at 16.
Bun B
Yeah. No, they wrong for that. They. They very wrong for that. And look, I understand. Because you have to understand that some of the greatest rappers of all time came from New York.
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely. That's why.
Bun B
So I understand why they would want to honor other people before they honor Jadakiss. You know what I'm saying? I get that. And all this shit is relative, right. Because in the earliest days, wasn't nobody harder than ll. There wasn't nobody harder than Rakim then. Kara Reds, you know, like, these things are subjective.
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
Bun B
You know what I'm saying? But if somebody that lives in the modern time in New York City is rating New York rappers and they don't put Jadakiss in there, he's top 10, right? For sure. I can understand people wanting to argue about whether or not he's top five if you look at the whole scheme, because you gotta. Again, you gotta put the Rakims and the Big Daddy Canes and the Big Daddy Kane, man.
Shannon Sharpe
They got Big Daddy Kane so far down, man. The people don't realize how good Big Daddy Kane was. Big Daddy Kane was. Is still like that.
Bun B
Look, man, we are. We sit in, we argue. Jordan and LeBron all over again. That's all this is. Different times speak to different sensitivities.
Shannon Sharpe
You right.
Bun B
You know what I'm saying? And that's how people draw these lists. I could understand him being upset, but at the same time, it's all subjective. You know what I'm saying? And when you meet the people that typically make these lists, they aren't legitimate.
Shannon Sharpe
Ain'T none of them.
Bun B
They not steeped enough in the culture to really have these conversations with much less give any validity to that. I don't give these people no weight just because they say, you listen to a bunch of music. I listen to a bunch of rb, too. I can't. I ain't finishing. Act like I can sing or judge people who can't Sing I Can't Even Harm.
Shannon Sharpe
All right, bud, we better close it out on this. We got our final segment of the day. It's time for Q and A.
Bun B
Okay, here we go. Q and A, baby.
Shannon Sharpe
Joe Bombo's Athlon's Playbook. Bun, this one's for you. Bun B, when are we going to get a Kendrick UGK collab?
Bun B
That's a good question. I've not been able to really have a relationship with Kendrick. That's for somebody that I literally have not bumped into. Of all the people in hip hop, I've never bumped into him. But that's not surprising because Kendrick don't really socialize like that outside of, you know, his homeboys in LA and people that he records with. It's not somebody that you'll see at Rolling Loud or Coachella or something like that, or at somebody's release party or, you know, a New Jordan release or something like that. You just don't socialize like that. You know what I'm saying? So there's no relationship to even extend the offer? I wouldn't even know how to. I don't have an email. He's an amazing rapper. I love. Always want to rap with the best people. You know what I'm saying? So anybody that's considered one of the best, the studio is always open.
Shannon Sharpe
Hugs973 said bun, do you think they'll bring the Comets back?
Bun B
Well, they are now. They are looking to bring a WNBA team back to Houston. I know they're thinking of that, but I don't know if they would call that team the Comets. I'm not sure who owns that name in that way. I'm not sure if the Rockets ownership, if that's something that transfers from owner to owner or how that works. But, I mean, I think it would be great for the city. I think the city would come all the way out. But you gotta understand, if you decide to call a WNBA team the Comets, you got to have the best of the best on that team. Cause y' all have arguably the best legacy ever in WNBA basketball.
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, you had Coop, you had Sheryl Swoopes, you had Tina Thompson. Oh, y' all were loaded. That's why you won four straight. That's never happened.
Bun B
Was a hometown hero. God bless the rest in peace. We. We. No, we had. We had that squad. There's never been as dominated team as that team was. 4P, right?
Shannon Sharpe
Yep.
Bun B
4P. The first four crazy fins.
Shannon Sharpe
New Jersey said, let's bring in Mike Jones from Houston for his Houston opinion. Anyone got his number? Mike is going to come on in the very near future, and guess what? Come back and we'll ask him.
Bun B
And his number ain't changed. He still got that number.
Shannon Sharpe
Kimber Norwood Jr. Said, UNK and Bun B. My question, how many Super Bowls would Peyton Manning have if he was quarterback for the Patriots and Tom Brady was the quarterback for the Colts?
Bun B
That's a good question because you've got to think of the drive that Tom came in with. Correct. There's a big difference between getting drafted here at the top and getting drafted at the bottom. Both of those put a fire under you, but for different reasons. Correct. And also, I think initially Peyton might have had a little bit more knowledge of the game.
Shannon Sharpe
Right.
Bun B
And naturally fell into that leadership quality, whereas I don't. You know, Tom was the leader of the locker room, but never the leader of the team. Peyton had power in his early years. Tom gradually gained that power and knew how to utilize it a little bit different. And then he had Belichick, too. Right. And that's a whole different type of discipline.
Shannon Sharpe
That was a whole different animal.
Bun B
Right.
Shannon Sharpe
Peyton never had a coach like that that had that kind of control because Peyton really had the control. Peyton ran practice. Peyton ran the two minutes. Peyton ran everything. And so different responsibilities. Brady never had.
Bun B
You know, like, I know Shannon, different responsibilities create different people.
Shannon Sharpe
Absolutely.
Bun B
There's a big difference of what's expected from the big brother than the little brother. Correct. You know what I'm saying? Yep.
Shannon Sharpe
I absolutely know what you're saying. But that was fun there, bro. You got to come back again.
Bun B
I enjoyed it. Look, you call me up anytime. I'll be the co host permanente over here.
Shannon Sharpe
Guys, thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap with me, your favorite unc, Shannon Sharpe. And filling in for Ocho, who's having fun over there in Paris. Bun B. We can't thank you enough. I'm sure the chat really loved that tonight. Guys, give Bun a hand. Hey, come into the comments and let us know because he did an unbelievable job explaining everything. He didn't duck any. He didn't duck any questions a lot of times. Guys, come on here. And they didn't want to talk about this and don't want to talk about that, but Bun, hey, jumped on it with both feet, so we can't thank you enough for that, Bun. Appreciate it.
Bun B
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We're off tomorrow. We're off tomorrow. Finally I get a day off. We'll see you Thursday, Joe and I'll see you Thursday and see if Indy can extend the series or will OKC get their first championship. Bun Again, a thank you. Thank you chat. Greatly appreciate everybody. Good night. God bless. We'll see you on Thursday Bun. Appreciate you.
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Thank you Hug man. Anytime brother. Anytime.
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Club Shay Shay Podcast Episode Summary
Title: Nightcap - Hour 2: Unc & Bun B React to Pusha T’s New Track and Rap Beef with Travis Scott
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Bun B
Release Date: June 18, 2025
In this dynamic episode of Club Shay Shay, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe and hip-hop icon Bun B engage in an in-depth conversation covering a range of topics from NFL team dynamics to the latest developments in the rap world, including Pusha T’s new track and his ongoing beef with Travis Scott. The hosts provide insightful commentary, enriched with personal anecdotes and expert analysis.
Sharpe and Bun B delve into the recent signing of Jalen Hurts, discussing the quarterback’s approach to leadership and team cohesion.
The conversation highlights Hurts’ prioritization of team success over personal financial gain, ensuring the offensive line remains intact and fostering a championship-contending environment.
The hosts discuss Darren Waller’s unexpected retirement following his forced role change by the Giants.
They emphasize the emotional toll and the importance of passion in maintaining a career in professional sports.
Sharpe and Bun B explore the recent developments involving Noah Lyles canceling a race against Tyreek Hill, touching on the broader implications of public protests in athletics.
They critique the visibility of track and field compared to other sports, discussing how public perceptions and media attention affect athlete endorsements and opportunities.
A significant portion of the episode focuses on the escalating beef between Pusha T and Travis Scott, analyzing the motivations and potential outcomes of their conflict.
Pusha T’s Assertive Stance:
Travis Scott’s Response:
The hosts debate whether Travis Scott will retaliate and the implications for both artists’ careers, considering their substantial fan bases and industry influence.
Sharpe and Bun B discuss the recent backlash against Timberland for using AI to replicate beats without proper credit or compensation to original producers.
They express concerns over intellectual property rights and the potential for widespread misuse of AI in the music industry, advocating for more stringent regulations and ethical standards.
The conversation shifts to parenting styles, inspired by Will Smith’s recent revelations about his approach to raising his children with honesty.
The hosts debate the effectiveness of radical honesty versus structured guidance in parenting, emphasizing the importance of discipline and genuine communication.
Sharpe and Bun B analyze Will Smith’s decision to release a new album after a 20-year hiatus, considering the artist’s motivations and public reception.
They speculate that Smith’s musical endeavors are a strategic move to maintain his relevance and connect with a global audience beyond his acting career.
In the final segment, Sharpe and Bun B address audience questions, providing personalized insights on topics ranging from potential collaborations to the legacy of Houston rappers.
Kendrick and UGK Collaboration:
Legacy of Houston Rappers:
They highlight the subjective nature of rankings in the music industry and underscore their contributions to their respective fields.
Shannon Sharpe and Bun B wrap up the episode by encouraging audience engagement and reflecting on the diverse topics discussed. Their blend of sports insight and hip-hop expertise offers listeners a comprehensive and entertaining analysis of contemporary issues in both arenas.
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This detailed summary captures the essence of the episode, providing a comprehensive overview of the discussions on NFL leadership, rap beefs, AI in music, and parenting philosophies, enriched with direct quotes and timestamps for reference.