Nightcap Hour 2: Unc & Ocho CALL OUT Jets Owners for the FAILURES at QB + Anthony Davis INJURED with ACHILLES TENDONITIS

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 2: Unc & Ocho CALL OUT Jets Owners for the FAILURES at QB + Anthony Davis INJURED with ACHILLES TENDONITIS

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (Unc), Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, Joe Johnson
Date: October 30, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this dynamic episode of “Nightcap,” Shannon Sharpe, Chad Ochocinco Johnson, and Joe Johnson tackle the latest failures of the New York Jets at quarterback, the impact of ownership on NFL franchises, and the fallout from controversial comments by Jets owner Woody Johnson. The trio discusses Anthony Davis’s Achilles injury, brings insight into NBA superstars’ career arcs, NBA load management controversies, and share unfiltered stories about injuries, old-school football culture, and the complications of professional athlete life—including gambling scandals and the toll of long careers. The episode finishes up with listener Q&A and their customary combination of banter and real talk.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jets' Quarterback Woes & Ownership Accountability

• Tough public comments by Jets owner Woody Johnson: Ocho and Shannon analyze how ownership’s attitude has contributed to the Jets’ ongoing quarterback struggles and compare it with issues at other franchises.
  • Ochocinco: "Management is to blame as well for the long, long, long, long failures for the quarterback position with the Jets... that has always been the better part of the successful part of their team. Obviously not this year…" ([04:10])
  • Shannon: “It's easy to point a finger at Justin Fields or Aaron Glenn for the jets troubles, but Robert Salah seems to be the coach… you got to start up top with the organization and how things have been ran…” ([05:32])
• Comparison with Bears and Justin Fields: They discuss Justin Fields’ struggles and New York’s pattern of mishandling QBs.

2. The Impact of Environment and Ownership on Player Success

• Player development and changing teams: The hosts riff on how the fortunes of players like Daniel Jones change with a new environment, and make analogies to NBA examples like Brunson leaving the Mavericks and thriving with the Knicks.
  • Ochocinco: “Situations matter. Situations on where you play, where you go and what does grounding you is very, very important…” ([07:01])
  • Shannon: “Go back and look at Brunson when Luca was out, he showed you what he can do if he had his own team…” ([08:48])
• Team patience vs. “win now” demands: They reflect on how the Clippers sacrificed future superstar SGA for an immediate shot at a title with Kawhi.
  • Ochocinco: “The basketball heads that are in the Clippers organization… there’s a certain thing that we can see called the it factor... this MF is special.” ([11:59])
  • Joe Johnson: “I think the Clippers knew he was special. Doc Rivers said it was the hardest thing to put in the trade... maybe that was great for his career because it probably put a little fire in him.” ([12:30])

3. NBA Player Control & Superstar Mobility

• Superstars dictating terms: Kawhi’s demand for Paul George and leverage in free agency highlight how much power NBA stars have.
  • Shannon: “The biggest free agent available was Kawhi… he said, if you don't get me Paul George, I'm going to sign with the Lakers. Do you really want LeBron James, Kawhi Leonard, and AD in the building that you play in?” ([13:13])
  • Ochocinco: “That’s crazy how players, especially NBA players, can control where they want to go… the team had no choice but to move superstars.” ([13:42])

4. Why Greatness is Hard to Predict: Stories of Development

• Can you spot greatness early?
  • Shannon: (on Tom Brady) “Coach Belichick said with a little work, he thought he could be good. You thought he's going to be seven, seven Super Bowls good, 15 Pro Bowls... If you did, you'd have took him in the first round.” ([15:03])

5. Load Management & Michael Jordan’s Old-School Mentality

• Jordan’s attitude towards rest and the modern NBA:
  • Shannon: “Michael Jordan had his thoughts on load management… he would never miss a game… fans were there... Jordan also referenced his iconic flu game… pushing yourself, you never know what happens, right?” ([22:20])
  • Joe Johnson: “That’s why we love him so much… he was gonna show up and show out. So that’s my goat, bro.” ([23:06])
• Football’s different culture on rest: NFL careers are short; missing a game is dangerous for job security.

6. The Physical Toll—Injury Stories and Modern Medical Choices

• Achilles/calf injuries, Anthony Davis’s Achilles concern: Debated approaches to rehab, old-school “shot it up and play” vs. today’s cautious management.
  • Joe Johnson: “Them type of injuries there, man, you don't play with Achilles calves… you don’t play with them.” ([45:32])
  • Ochocinco: “I could work with all them boys... they wouldn’t be going through none of this. But don’t nobody want to listen to me.” ([46:08])
• Grim tales of pain management:
  • “There was not a body part I would not let ‘em shoot up… I had to get both of my knees drained… talking about like 40 and 50 cc's drawed off them.” -- Shannon ([51:08], [51:24])

7. Gambling Scandals, Money, and Athlete Vulnerability

• Terry Rozier and Chauncey Billups gambling investigation:
  • “If you do what they say you're doing, then you probably deserve a little jail time. I was like, man, hey.” – Joe Johnson ([34:54])
• Risks of owing money and outside influences:
  • Shannon: “They say Rogier had a lien on his house. How you could have lean on your house… you had made $169 million in NBA salary…” ([37:32])
• Big Brother is always watching: NFL teams’ surveillance of players’ lifestyles and the risks of exposure.

8. NBA Player Earnings & Skill Evolution

• Exploding salaries & evolving skillsets: Projecting stars like SGA, Tatum, and Luka earning a billion dollars, and marveling at the athleticism of new NBA “bigs”.
  • Shannon: “By the time Shea is done, Shay and Jason Tatum and Luca, they gonna be able to made a billion dollars in the NBA.” ([27:07])

9. Q&A: Childhood Memories, Athlete Diets, Rehabilitation

• Favorite Halloween costumes: Ochocinco shares a story about dressing as the Beast for his daughter, others recall growing up with homemade—or nonexistent—costumes. ([58:16])
• Changing habits after 30: Both Shannon and Joe explain how diet and self-care become critical with age.
  • “Once you get about 30, man, you gotta change them eating habits. You can't wake up eating them chips and Zuzu's…” – Joe Johnson ([76:38])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Ownership and Team Building

“Management is to blame as well for the long, long, long, long failures for the quarterback position with the Jets… That has always been the better part of the successful part of their team. Obviously not this year…"
— Chad Ochocinco ([04:10])

"Go back and look at Brunson when Luca was out, he showed you what he can do if he had his own team."
— Shannon Sharpe ([08:48])

On Superstar Decisions in the NBA

"The biggest free agent available was Kawhi… Do you really want LeBron James, Kawhi Leonard, and AD in the building that you play in? Do you really want that to happen?"
— Shannon Sharpe ([13:13])

Old School vs. New School

“I never wanted to miss a game because it was an opportunity to prove… you never know what happens, right?”
— Shannon Sharpe on Michael Jordan ([22:20])

“I could work with all them boys, Joe. They wouldn’t be going through none of this. But don’t nobody want to listen to me.”
— Chad Ochocinco ([46:08])

On Athlete Surveillance & Lifestyle

“They know how much we spend, they know exactly who you hang with… When they invest that kind of money in you, Joe, they know everything."
— Chad Ochocinco ([42:02])

Load Management

“The only thing I could do was play, and I had to get shot up in my big toe before every game. Oh, my God. Yeah, the worst pain.”
— Joe Johnson ([47:13])

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Important Timestamps

• Jets quarterback woes & ownership blame: [04:10]–[07:01]
• Player situations & environment: [07:01]–[11:59]
• NBA team-building—SGA, Harden, Brunson: [08:48]–[15:03]
• Superstar leverage (Kawhi & PG trade): [13:13]–[14:47]
• Predicting greatness (Tom Brady, NBA stars): [15:03]–[16:37]
• Michael Jordan, load management: [22:20]–[25:04]
• Injury/rehab stories: [45:07]–[54:09]
• Gambling scandals (Rozier, Billups): [33:03]–[39:44]
• Team surveillance on players: [42:02]–[43:02]
• NBA career/earnings/longevity: [27:07]–[28:59], [76:38]–[77:44]
• Q&A: Childhood costumes & athlete diet: [58:16]–[62:44], [76:38]–[77:44]

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Flow and Tone

Sharp, funny, candid, and often unvarnished. The hosts mix real talk about the business of pro sports and athlete life—successes, failures, and everything in between—with their typical storytelling bravado and a strong "locker-room" camaraderie. The conversation flows between sharp criticism (particularly of mismanagement), personal anecdotes, and honest warnings about the pressure, surveillance, and risks that come with being a pro athlete. It’s authentic, energetic, and consistently engaging.

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For listeners seeking insights into NFL/NBA team dysfunction, superstar decision-making, the cultural evolution of the game, and the off-field/injury realities faced by athletes, this “Nightcap Hour 2” delivers a compelling, unfiltered ride.

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Johnson made headlines last week for some harsh comments he gave about Justin Fields. Johnson is hard when you have a quarterback with a rating that we got, if we could just complete a pass, it would look good. According to former quarterback Jordan Travis, these are the only troubling comments Johnson has made to one of the team's quarterbacks. Despite dealing with furious leg injury, Travis remembers Johnson asking him, are you ever gonna get healthy? Travis There were things that were said to me, not obviously to that point because I never got on the field to play about my leg. Just slick comments. I don't know if he was trying to be slick about it or, you know, how some older men just say whatever comes to their mind and that kind of made me feel a certain type of way. Now how you feeling? Never that. There was always comments like that. It's easy to point a finger at Justin Fields or Aaron Glenn for the jets troubles, but Robert Salah seems to be the coach defense really well for the 49ers. Aaron Rodgers looked pretty good with Pittsburgh. Sam Darnold too. Ocho Joe how much blame should we place on ownership led by Woody Johnson for the long, long history of jets failure?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, listen, similar to the quarterback situation with the Chicago Bears for the long, long history of failures that that position as well. I mean management is to blame as well for the long, long, long, long failures for the quarterback position with the Jets. Most of the time the identity for the jets has always been their defense. That has always been the better part of the successful part of their their team. Obviously not this year and obviously offense not this year as well. But I thought, I really thought this was Justin Fields year. Yeah, I thought it would have been his year. He had nothing to worry about. He had nobody eyeing over his shoulder. It was his team, his team to win and his team to lose. They're one in seven, obviously beating my Bengals, but it is what it is. But I think at some point they will turn it around. I think he can be the future for the New York Jets. Is he going to get that opportunity to be after Woody Johnson came out and said some of the things he said publicly that most owners would say to themselves or people. Yeah, yeah, you never say anything like that publicly. But it seemed like since Jerry Jones said what do you need to say? Other other owners are now having the. The. The onus and the wherewithal to say, you know what? Forget it. I'm just gonna say how I'm feeling and let them know. And it has to. It has to hurt to know that your owner feels that way, and I still got to go out there and play for him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you thinking, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, I. I kind of. I kind of. I agree kind of with Justin Fields. I mean, you got other guys who don't play for that franchise, man, quarterbacks, and they went off and, you know, play for other organizations, and they've been.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Playing exceeded playing extremely well.

[Joe Johnson]

So therefore, yeah, you got to start up top with the organization and how things have been ran because for whatever reason, they hadn't been getting, you know, great outcomes. Obviously, Justin Fields played great this past week, but, man, you hope he can build confidence from that and try to, you know, continue to, you know, play at an elite level.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got to improve the roster overall, Ocho. I mean.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, but that's hard, huh? You know how much time that takes?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Will they give Aaron Glenn the time to improve the roster?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think, because AG played there, I think he'll probably have a little long. I think he'll have a little longer Right. Leeway than most. I don't want to. I don't want to, you know, say what we would normally say, a longer leash because everybody say, let just try to be politically correct. I think he'll have a.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right, right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A longer opportunity to stay than probably most because of his history with the organization and how well he's played for the organization and what he knows in personally. So, yes, I do think he'll have a. But look, I don't care who you are. If your quarterback doesn't play well, it's hard for you to win in this league. It's hard.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Very. But hey, hey, Joe, situations matter. Situations on where you play, where you go and what does grounding you is very, very important, Joe. Yeah, I can't think of it in basketball terms, but maybe uncle. And Joe, you could. You could probably. Probably relate to it. Who would be Daniel Jones on the New York Giants in basketball terms? And then all of a sudden, Daniel Jones, that player, actually leaving said team and going somewhere else and succeeding the way Daniel Jones is succeeding in Indianapolis. Who would that be in basketball terms?

[Joe Johnson]

Who would that be? K. Daniel Jones balling.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm talking about killing it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I'm trying to think. Let me see.

[Joe Johnson]

The only thing is that Brunson didn't he. I mean, he Left the Mavericks and went to New York and he balling in New York.

[Shannon Sharpe]

His own team. Okay, but that was.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he was back. You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't nobody, Ain't nobody overshine Luca. Not now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he. Yeah, he was backing up Luca, but he went off and you know, obviously you know what he's doing in New York right now, but trying to think who. Because I mean they let Daniel Jones go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They just, they, they.

[Joe Johnson]

They let him walk on about, didn't it?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And he ended up. He went to. Wasn't he. Didn't he go to Minnesota for a year? What? Dan.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, he was the backup. He was the backup in Minnesota. Went to Minnesota, they went on down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To Indy.

[Joe Johnson]

In basketball. I don't know, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, but he played.

[Joe Johnson]

He was good in Chicago.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who was that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jimmy Butler?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Jimmy was good in Chicago.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Jimmy been good everywhere he went on Chicago, Philly. He's always been consistent. I mean, with what he does.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, see, the thing is that we thought. We thought if you go back and look at Brunson when Luca was out, he showed you what he can do if he had his own team.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go back and look at what Luca missed that time and look at what Brunson was doing. So now he got his own team. He's going to be the primary ball handler. He's going to be the primary shot taker. I don't think anybody's surprised by this. Now maybe, maybe the guy averaged 26, 27 points a game and as many 30 point games he's had. But I thought he would be really well now did I think he'd be an all NBA selection? I wouldn't go that far. But I thought he could make the all star team. I thought he could make an all star team because the guy that playing that well in spurts when he has the ball in his hand and they say okay and kid, kid like okay, we need you to do more of a role and not be so boom, we saw that. But look, yeah, James Harden, we saw what he. Yeah, you remember he was sixth man of the year.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, he was eight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They. I'm sure people thought he could be good, but not averaging 36 point a night.

[Joe Johnson]

Good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not changing the game. Good with that step back.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, nah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who else was like that? Now with Shay just didn't get a chance to play if Shay got a chance to play. And plus look, he was. He was not going to do that with the Clippers, not with Kawhi. You had just gave you had just think about what you got with Kawhi. Kawhi was going to be the main ball handler. Shay is in a situation. Shay knows he can get as many shots as he want and he ain't stepping on nobody's toes.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, the, the Clippers, they didn't, they weren't going to wait for his development.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, they couldn't. Because why do you bring in Kawhi and Kawhi wants to win now. And he basically, he basically said, if you don't get me Paul George, I'm going with the Lakers. Can you imagine Kawhi, LeBron and AD and then you playing in the basement with that? No, they had to, they had, they had to do it. Oo.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, hold on, hold on. I have a question. Joe, Joe and Uncle. If the Clippers knew what they knew now about Shay and how, how he.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Would, they would have never traded.

[Joe Johnson]

They would never tell. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So how do you not see? How do you not see?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because, because he wasn't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

How do you not see?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He was a rookie. Oo he and no rookie. Because you got to realize he wasn't the first pick in the draft. He wasn't ad, he wasn't Zion that you're running your offense through. So now he's in a situation, he's the offense. So you. There's no possible way. Let's just like James Harden now. People thought James could be good because he was a great ISO player. When the sick, when, when they, when KD and Russ went to the bench. James Harden was sensational. But sensational is averaging 16 points a game. He averaged 36. He had grades where he went like 30, 40 games. He's average, getting 30 a night. 60 point triple doubles, 50 point triple doubles. But he knows it's a lot easier to play Ocho if you the number one. And you know you gonna get 12, 13, 14 targets a game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right, But I, I understand that. Right. But the basketball heads that are in the Clippers organization, those that have been watching the game, scouts, GMs and understanding, you have an eye for talent. There's a certain thing that we can see called the it factor. It's called the eye test. Even if it's not his team, you can tell when a player is going to be special. You can look at them, their game, their skill set, what they can and what they can't do. And when you look at Shay's game on both ends of the court, that's somebody that you say, this MF is special.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Ocho, I'm not letting him go.

[Joe Johnson]

I think the Clippers knew he was special. I seen Doc Rivers coaching the Clippers at the time. He said that was the hardest thing to put in the trade was to add Shay into that trade because he knew that Shay was gonna be pretty good. Now, I don't know if he thought he was gonna be impacted, but he knew he was gonna be good. And then on top of that, Uncle Ocho, you never know. Like, for Shay, man, maybe that was great for his career because it probably put a little fire in him, you know what I mean? To be like, all right, they got rid of me. I'mma show him. You know what I mean? And now he's playing at a level to where I don't think nobody's seen this, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's a bucket.

[Joe Johnson]

He's 30 points every night, give or take. I don't care how, I don't care what happened. He gonna have 30 and plus O.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The biggest free agent available was Kawhi. Kawhi said, if you don't get me Paul George, I'm going to sign with the Lakers. Do you really want LeBron James, Kawhi Leonard, and AD in the building that you play in? Do you really want that to happen?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Was that even possible?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Realistic. That was.

[Joe Johnson]

He was going home. He was going. Kawhi was going back to la. I don't know what team yet, but he was going back to LA for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. That's crazy how players, especially NBA players, can control where they want to go. They can pick and choose where they want to go. If they. If they say, I want to, I want to, I want to trade, I don't want to be there anymore. The team had no choice but to move superstars.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, you have to. Because if a guy only has one or one year left on his deal, Ocho, and he's telling you, you know, he ain't signing back in so many words, then you gotta. You gotta trade him to get something back. You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What doomed OKC was Kevin Durant walked out the door and didn't get nothing for it. Yep. Imagine if you could have traded him before. See, he walked out the door and you didn't get anything. Nothing. KD at his prime, walks out of your door and you don't get anything for him. The same thing had the. The Clippers could have tried to play. I mean, it's got the Clippers, the Horn, the Hornet. Not the Hornets. The Pelicans could have tried to play hardball, but at contract was coming up do you really want Anthony Davis to walk out of there? And you don't get nothing for him. And you the Pelicans.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't nobody coming to New Orleans. I'm sorry. It's a great city. I mean, the jazz and the food is amazing, but you're not getting superstars to come down to New Orleans. You're just not. So you have to. You don't have a choice.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. So what? What do I. What do I do? Ojo. And like I said, yes, I think Doc realized that Shay was going to be good. But I don't know if Doc thought he'd be this good coach. I agree. The reason why they kept Tom Brady, they kept four quarterbacks that year. Coach Belichick said with a little work, he thought he could be good. You thought he's going to be seven, seven Super Bowls good, 15 Pro Bowls. You thought he was going to be the all time leader in passes, touchdowns wins, super bowl Wins, Super Bowl MVPs. You thought he was gonna be that good because if you did, you'd have took him in the first round, you wouldn't have took him in the sixth round. And you guess what? You started him from day one, so you didn't know. You thought he could be good. Everybody like, oh, yeah, we knew. Sh. Bro. I was my draft pick. Me making the team was a feat in and of itself, let alone able to play 14 years and having the accomplishments. Everybody gets to say that after the fact. Oo, yeah, I knew that boy was gonna make it. I. Oh, I knew. Oh, I saw this high school. I thought I told such and such, that boy gonna make it.

[Joe Johnson]

Right? Hey, it's a lot. It's a lot that has to transpire. And a lot has happened along that journey, man. You know what I mean? The things that mold us into becoming pro professional athletes, the things that we go through, man, ultimately it determines pretty much your longevity in the game or how you, you know, approach the game. So when you look at Shay, it's just like when I look at Shay, I'm like, damn, can you imagine him in LA in that new arena they got over there?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, and that's. And think about it, that was another reason they're getting better, to build a new arena. What do you need to go into a new arena, Joe? Superstars, yes. Stars. People tell, let him walk out. Kawhi ain't better than sga. Maybe not now. If you think. If you think SGA in his first and second year was better than Kawhi. Y' all a damn fool. Y' all out y' all damn mind. That man was a two time Defensive Player of the Year and a two time Finals MVP. The man is one of the 75th, 75 greatest players of all time. What do you mean? Okay, if you want to say he's not better than Shay, now, I. I'm not fitting to fight you. As a matter of fact, I'm putting my hand behind the chair. You know what I'm saying, Joe? I ain't gonna fight him. But come on now, y' all make it seem like Kawhi was a bum and he was far from. He's still not. Is the injury prone? Yes. Has injury robbed him of some of his best years? Yes. But to say that he was sga was better at that time is just not true. Because I remember before Jaja Pache shot, stuck his foot up under Kawhi, they had. They had Golden State down by like 18.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kawhi was. Kawhi was a really. Kawhi was a great player. There's a reason why he's a two time champion. He's a two time defensive player of the year. He could play both ends of the court and he can play it well. But injuries have robbed him of some of his best years.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, how tall is Kawhi?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kawhi, like 6, 7.

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[Michael Florio]

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[Joe Johnson]

Six, seven. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Michael Jordan had his thoughts on loads management in today's game. He called out players sitting out games to rest, saying that he would never miss a game if he could avoid it because of his duty to the fans. It shouldn't be needed. First and foremost, I never wanted to miss a game because it was an opportunity to prove it was something that I felt like, you know, the fans were there, like they're watching me play and I want to impress the guys up top who obviously worked their ass off to get a ticket and, or get money to buy a ticket. Jordan also referenced his iconic blue game against the Utah Jazz in 1997 NBA Finals where he pushed through illness in a pivotal game five. I was going to find a way to get out there, even if I was a decoy once I got out there. Pushing yourself, you never know what happens, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely. Yeah. Hey, look, I agree with him too, man. I think that's, that's why we, that's why we love him so much, man. Just to see him sit there and kind of, you know, let. Let people know that low management wasn't cool back. They weren't, they weren't doing that, man. I mean, even in the, Even in the DVDs I used to watch with the come flower me's and all that, he'll tell you, like, his thing was showing up for the fans, for the guy who may never, who may only get to see him play one time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's all the money he could save up.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he was gonna show up and show out. So that's my goat, bro. Man, I just, I, I enjoy seeing him break the game down. I know people thought it was gonna probably be a much live setting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, they thought he was gonna be actually talking about current players, but he's talking from his standpoint of his mindset of what he's thinking. He ain't gonna be actually talking about a player in particular, like Barkley and Shaq and Kenny. And they actually break down the game perk and these other guys, they break down the game. That's not what he's doing. He's looking at it right from a champion's mindset, the mindset that you have to have. And he said, I, I, I just couldn't do it. I couldn't miss no time, miss a game because somebody Paid a boatload of money to watch me. He said even the people that was booing me, I wanted to, I wanted them to see why you booing me, right? Your team. You know what, right? Football, we could never. First of all, I don't know how you guys thought Joe, but in football we already know NFL. Not for long. You sit out of the game and you might not, hey, you miss a game, somebody comes in and you might not get that job back.

[Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, you get Tom Brady. Tom, you see what Tom Brady did? He got in. And 23 years later.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

NFL, you couldn't, you can't, you can't, you can't do that. I mean, I, I, I, I hated missing the game. Oo we had, we'd have the thing play. I mean, my 96, we had it. We had the, the division sold up. We had home field throughout. And Mike says 84, I'm thinking about, you know, you've been dealing with some ankle injuries. Because at that time, Oo I had had nerves in my ankle, had them frozen dead so I wouldn't feel the pain if I twist my ankle or something like that. So he's like, you've been dealing with stuff. 84, you know, I, I just want you to sit out. Selfishly, I wanted to play Ocho, man, I'm trying to get them on the yards, I'm trying to get another touchdown. But I said, you know, I saw the bigger picture. But in a. But you only got to understand, Ocho, we only played 16, 16 games in the NFL is like one game in the NFL is like five in the NBA.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, that, that, that fire, that fire really don't die though. Like if you're a competitor, you're a competitor. And think about it. You heard MJ say, man, if I could take a magic pill right now. You see what I'm saying? Like he, he, he still love to compete. He's probably still wish he could get out there and play, you know what I mean? But I mean like you say, he, he ain't willing to risk popping his.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Achilles to get out there just on the golf course in cards. He's still competing. Don't let it fool you. Now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, a competitor is always going to find a way to compete. It might not be this profession or his respective craft that he used to do, but he gonna find it through other avenues when it comes to life. And the funny thing also about the load management thing and Michael Jordan saying some of the things he said, you have to Think about the game that they played back then, mentally where they were back then. It's completely different than the game is now. Not only the game, but the players and the way they think. Everything's a bit. A little bit different. They want to rest, they want to take time off. They don't have the same mentality the players had back there back then. You know, excuse me, less distraction. It's just different all the way around.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And with the money where it is, Joe, if I can sell out a couple of games and that's going to give me a couple extra years. I mean, look at it now. I mean, by the time Shea is done, Shay and Jason Tatum and Luca, they gonna be able to made a billion dollars in the NBA.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, you right. A bill, right? For sure. Hey, look, I for sure know women gonna get it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man. Next contract might be a billion. If he can stay. The thing is, look, his height is always like. Cause there ain't nothing he can't do, man. That joker, he could handle the ball. He sham guarding people. He going behind the back. Any pulling up from 28, obviously you can put it on the floor. Pretty fat the rim. He barely dunk. He barely jumping and ducking on people head, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen, Uncle Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Guys that big is not supposed to be moving like that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, now, yeah, yeah, he. He hold on to be that tall, Joe. He twitchy as hell. Yeah, he twitchy. I'm talking about like, like Kevin Durant Twitchy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

85 inches taller than KD.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, come up. Hey, come on out here to the top of the key. Let me show you something real quick.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, so now a big guy when we. I can't even say a big guy his size because ain't many people his size, but a big guy who has the guard, him, man, he has no chance watching them how they play now. He's gotten stronger. His mentality is different. He going at his man, bro. Hey, all right. San Antonio like 5 and oh yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got a nice squad. Yeah, they got Dylan Harper coming off the bench. They got Castle, they got Vassal. They got a nice squad.

[Joe Johnson]

Box ain't even played. F. Fox ain't even playing yet. What we do now? You, you know, we like to talk. You know, in basketball, they, you know, you. You can't really lose your spot off of injury, but yeah, you can. Fox ain't played, but not him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got a max deal, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, it's different. It's different, man, it's different. But they got a good problem on their hands.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They absolutely do.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Michael Florio]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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Visit toyota.com NFL now to learn more. Oh Joe Terry Rogier Joe Terry Rozier will not be paid while on leave in absence after the rest on federal charges related to the gambling scheme. Rozier's salary, which is about 26.6 million this season, paid in installments, will be held in escrow if Rozier is cleared and allowed to return. The NBA, which placed him on leave hours after his Oct. 23 arrest, he will see receive the hail payments in full. Excuse me, Chauncey Billups will also not be paid while on leave. Bill of salary 7 million this season and won't be won't be held in escrow. He'll just lose it until the outcome of the FBI case. Joe, when the story broke, what were your initial thoughts?

[Joe Johnson]

Man, it was hard for me to believe with, you know, with Chauncey because I know him to a degree. You know, I know same people, same circle. You know me and T. Lou.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Joe Johnson]

Good friends. When T. Lou played here in Atlanta with me, he was a point guard here in Atlanta when I first got here. Ocho for like three years. That's My man, we used to hang, hang out, and to. To see all this come, come out. I'm like, you know, it's just. It's unfortunate, bro, but if it's true. Yeah. I agree with the harsh penalties, man. There's nowhere. There's nowhere in the game, whether it's rosier or whether it's billups, you know, if you betting on the games, bro, if you doing the stuff they say you doing, or cheating people cheating. Cheating your partners and them out they money. Yeah, man. I mean, I don't know what's the maximum fine you can get or what's gonna happen, but if you're doing it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You go to jail. Defined as the list of your words.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Well, hey, unfortunately, if you do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you.

[Joe Johnson]

If you're doing what they say you're doing, then you probably deserve a little jail time. I was like, man, hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I hate it, man. I just. I just hate it. I hate it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause I think the thing is, look, I mean, I. I just. In good conscience, I can't. Like, people work hard for that money.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And to cheat somebody out of their money, Joe, I ain't.

[Joe Johnson]

I ain't never.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't never been like that, guys. I couldn't. I couldn't.

[Joe Johnson]

Me neither, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I couldn't.

[Joe Johnson]

It's tough. That's. You know, it's. It's hard watching it unfold because I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like.

[Joe Johnson]

You saying, you got X ray, you. You got these rig, poker games, X.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ray tables, X ray glass, face down, Ocho. So now I can see what you got. So I'm betting. They say, guys betting 100 blinds in the gutter. So you know. You know what's coming. So that's why you bet. And dude think he got somebody thinking they got a winning hand. Like, oh, yeah, yeah. Hey, I got a pair of kings. I got two rockets up under here.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man. The whole time.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey, uncle. You know, and. And it's bigger. It's really bigger than what people. What people understanding, right. When you in with them people like that. When you in with them people and it gets to that point where you the one bringing in the clients to use the illegal stuff to get them. Boy, you in over your head, man. You really ain't got no choice at that point.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, hon.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Honestly. So the only way out is for coming to an end like this. This. This is the best thing to happen, honestly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why I don't really talk once.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You in over your head like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't talk. That's why you got to be.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And they got you, they got you as though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why you got to be careful who you talk to. You type. You having an innocent conversation. But they getting all the information that they need, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Carson, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Carson. I don't even think Carson's gonna play this week. Carson ain't, man, ain't practice yet. You just have an innocent conversation, man. Man, I. Man, I don't think smooth man's smooth ankle. I saw smooth ankle this morning and that thing was big, bad, big as a ball, man. That's why. Hey, I don't, I don't play around like that. I had a dude ask me said, man, look here man, I want to get this car. I'll give you the cash. You go pay for a put in your name.

[Chad Ochocinco]

She.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When he gets squeezed, what are you gonna do right?

[Joe Johnson]

You know what he gonna do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not good cook.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, but look, I ain't no gambling like that. Like, I like the, the friendly competition gambling. But man, when they get to the point to where you. You having the old people out?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, and, and I read the paper. They say the Rogier had a lien on his house. How you could have lean on your house. And they say at this point in time, you, you had made $169 million in NBA salary. But you got to lean on your property. You can't lean on nothing. You better lean on this coffee table because they got books up on it. That's the only thing you can lean on. It's gonna fall, but you ain't gonna put no lead. Come on, man. Man, listen. The NBA did an investigation. Now what we don't know that the end did they said. But like Adam Silver said, they don't have subpoena power. They don't have the ability to threaten somebody to send you away for a long period of time. You got a wife, you got kids. Hey, your kids will be be graduated by the time you get out. Is your wife gonna really wait for you for another six, seven, eight, nine years? You really you, you, you, you willing to trust that now they say, oh, oh, man, I, I don't know what. I don't know how you. I know you in the NBA, but we might think you got this some of this money by ill gotten means. So we gonna seize it. We're gonna put a freeze on all of it.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, and they can do it?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they're the government.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Absolutely, absolutely. They can do what the hell they want to do.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, man. This is the timing of all of it. Is. Is kind of crazy, too. It's like right before the season, it's like, hold on. I don't know. I don't know, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That was the best time to do it when you got everybody attention. When can you get everybody attention?

[Shannon Sharpe]

During the season.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The season start when everybody watching, everybody tuned.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why do you think the sports are so popular? Football is so popular. They think, oh, that's my team. They betting on the games. I got a vested interest. You know what, Ocho, you watch something a little bit and Joe, you watch something a little bit more closely when you got a ve. Vested interest in it, don't you?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Be it your fantasy. Be it. I'm betting of, you know, who going to win how many catches, how many yards.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How many touchdowns, how many sacks, X, Y and Z. I'm watching this thing a little bit more closely because I got money on it.

[Joe Johnson]

And look, it's hard for you to enjoy the game when you got money on the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sorry, man. They still gave. Now, Ocho, not Joe. You understand what people always say? If they lose, man, the game fits.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's the first.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, man, I. I hate. I hate it for people. I. I hate it. I just. I hate. Like I said, I know Chauncey. I've known Chauncey since he was in high school. Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I don't know. Rozier Norman as a player. Good, solid player. Met Damon one time, but it's. It's. It's tough. It's tough because, boy, look here. The government. But they say. What did they say? This is a three, four year investigation.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Oh, they don't come and get you to your. Hold on. Most of the time when you talk about the feds. Now, the feds don't come and get.

[Joe Johnson]

You to year five until they got something.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe, when they knock on that door, you best to believe they done dotted every. I crossed every T before they came and got you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, normally when people come out, yo, they knock on your door, you open the door.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Invite them in. You like something to drink? You know, I'm saying, I. I'm trying to be as hospitable as possible. Would you like something to drink? What would you like to know? Hey, man, them people don't play, man. And they get. Guess what. Because they can see everything, Ocho. They see all your money. They see how much you got, how much you in debt. It used to be like, I don't know if it still is, but teams, oh, he can't hold that too much longer. He in debt. He actually, he a month behind on his mortgage payment, and he got two kids in private school, and I heard him and his wife not getting along. Don't even worry about it. He'll be back.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on. They know all that anyway. They, they know all that anyway. They know how much we spend. Hey, chat NFL teams. I mean, obviously I'm not playing. I'm, I'm just saying the players now, especially ones that make the big money, they know how much they got in the bank. They, they know how much they spending. They know exactly who you hang with. They know where you like to go. They know who, what clubs you be at. Man, they know everything, huh? Hell, they know who you're dating, they know who you're messing with. When they invest that kind of money in you, Joe, they know everything. Yeah, it's crazy. Hey, it's funny, it's funny. In the off season, I'm down here in Miami, huh? I have no contact with the Cincinnati Bengals when I'm in the off season, none at all. But Marvin Lewis can call and tell me where I've been and what I've done. And this is before I got on social media.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All them FBI autumn retired FBI agents.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They got, man, but they don't, they don't play.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they gotta, they gotta keep eyes on that investor. Oh, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, well, you know, hey, listen, I, I, Hey, Joe, I was one, you ain't never had to worry about Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, they gonna make sure they didn't worry about you. You know what I find funny when they say, well, you know, we understand, but we're gonna let this system, this process play out. You already knew what he was doing. You probably tried to warn him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, that might have been like a. Hey, they own you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just saying.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, he ain't stopped though, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know what it is, but they know. Well, do you know how many, do you know how many retired? What did Mars, what did Mercedes say when he started traveling? He gonna ask the NFL to get.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Him security, to give him security. Yeah, and they'll do that. They'll do that for you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you mean to tell me all these, all these worth billions and billions of dollars? They got money tied up in these athletes. They not gonna know what y' all doing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, everything, bro. It's crazy.

[Joe Johnson]

And listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Really, they don't play if they want, if they want you, boy, they put Martha Stewart in jail.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That inside of that inside of ch.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And she should have just held on to the stock because she sold the stock and it was worth more after she sold it. She should have kept it, Right? They put Leona Helmsley in jail. She was worth more money than Martha Stewart. She said, only poor people pay taxes. Don't worry about it. Where you poor now? Come on down. Here they go. Hey, they go there. When they want you, they get you.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I pay them their money. I overpay them. Send me a little something, but send me a little something back. I don't want to be short. Anthony Davis came into the game against the paces with an important. With a reported bilateral Achilles tendinopathy. He has Achilles tendonitis.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Achilles tendonitis.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on. Who is that again? What he said. Hey, not. Not la. Not la Laker. Former la.

[Shannon Sharpe]

La inexplicably let him play. Ad looked like he stepped hard on the ground and started limping instantly towards the bench. He exited the game, went to the locker room and did not return.

[Joe Johnson]

Them type of. Them type of injuries there, man, you don't play with Achilles calves.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Them little knickknacks don't play with that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you don't play with them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah. At all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They get all these fancy names. Instead of saying tendonitis, they get all these names because that's what Kawhi had. He had quad tendinopathy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, that must be that. That's the scientific name. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, I'm telling you, I could work with all them boys, Joe. They wouldn't be going through none of this. But don't nobody want to listen to me. Don't nobody want to listen to me.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they don't want me.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's all. Listen. It's all good. It's all. You just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, they say he would. They said he was grabbing it bad. Say it. Look, it didn't look good. Well, normally he limped off, so I don't think he. I don't think.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, probably strained it, but damn. Maybe a strain, but what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Chad Ochocinco]

What? We in game what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Six? Five. Six.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Game four.

[Stephen Curry]

Five.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I was dumb. I ain't know no better, man. I had tendonitis. I let him shoot it up in my Achilles in college.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, damn. Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Nah. I had it. I called Achilles tendonitis. I was playing in Miami.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

First round.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If they told me, Joe. If they told me, you know, hey, we can put some medicine in it. Put it in there.

[Joe Johnson]

It wasn't nothing. Wasn't nothing to shoot that thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, there was not a Body part that I would not let him shoot up. Joe, to play.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna tell you the worst one, though.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, play. I thought you were talking about. Okay, my bad.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. To play, I had to play. I. I had. I caught turf toe to where I couldn't practice. I couldn't do nothing, Uncle Ocho. Like, the only thing I could do was play, and I had to get shot up in my big toe before every game. Oh, my God. Yeah, the worst pain.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Before every game.

[Joe Johnson]

Before every game we went. It was in the playoffs, Ocho. We won seven games.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Seven games. I had to get shot in that foot. Oh, man, that's the worst pain.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My brother had that same thing. He ended up having to have surgery, though. Joe. He got. Had to get. He didn't practice. He ended up having to put a. A plate in there so his toe wouldn't. It wouldn't bend, like. Because it normally told Ben. So. Yeah. Steel plate in there, so it wouldn't bend.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he ended up. He had to get it shot up every game. And then after the season, he ended up having. Having surgery. Basically the same surgery that Joe Burrow had. And Joe Burrow missing that time. My brother had that exact. That exact. Yeah, but that's painful.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, that's pain.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's what people. People like, man. What, bro? Cause I done had shoulders and ribs and. And ankles and Achilles. Like I said, I. Joe, I ain't know no better.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I know, man. You.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know what?

[Joe Johnson]

And you learn how to take care of yourself through your own.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I'm trying to. That's why I tell people I'm trying. I'm trying to keep Mary Porter out of poverty. I'm trying to keep making sure my kids. Man, look here. I'm shooting the damn dad. I'm shooting it up. That time, that was the first time I had ever been. Because I had never been injured. This was in college. I had never. I had never been injured before, so. And this is my senior year, man. Scouts coming out, coming Ocho. And I'm sitting up in. I'm sitting up on the bleachers. Yeah, man. Doctor said we. Well, we won't go in there, but we can put some medicine in it. It'll calm it down.

[Joe Johnson]

He's like.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Let me get that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm with it. Shoulders, ribs, like, tore some rib cartilage right here. Went to catch a pass over the middle. Ocho and the brace, because I knew the hit was coming. My real popped out.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, he didn't Even hit me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's just I braced so hard. Cause I knew it was coming. Yeah, man, you talk about painful. I let him shoot him. I let him shoot me up for like two weeks. Then I said, no, I can't do that no more. So bad, man. They all right. Hey, take a. All right, sharpie. Take a deep breath.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. Cause that adrenaline only gonna get you, so it's only gonna get you so far.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, baby, so far.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And once it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And once it come down, it's over with. Absolutely. I done both shoulders. Shot both my shoulders up. OO for like three weeks. I'm talking about during the week. OO. I couldn't even lift my shoulders up like this. They put that medicine in there. About 10 minutes later, do a jumper, Jack.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey. But, hey, look, everything was wrong with you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ooh.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ankles, knees, hips, shoulders.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Didn't I tell you? I had the nerves dead in my ankle so I wouldn't feel no pain, so I could go out there and play. They told. Say, look, they say, Shannon, you know, might be some. You might have some issues, right? I don't want no issues now. I deal with that issue later. I deal when I'm 50 and 60. I deal with that then. But right now. Right, man, Porter got to eat. I got kids. You gotta eat. So if I a. Yeah. Some days are better than others. Some days I can pop up out of bed and everything feel good. And other days, they feel like I got hit by a bus yesterday.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that's what. Hey, they being the eight. How do I need about this long? Ocho, Getting your knees drained? I get my knees, like two hours before the game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, what I'm. I'll tell you about my brain.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I had to get both of my knees drained. I'm Talking about like 40 and 50 cc's drawed off them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

God damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you doing on Sunday? And then go get it again done Tuesday.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Especially. Especially in season. It's hard. It's hard to keep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is. It is because. Guess you running on it. You falling on your knees.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then I had. I think it's my left knee. I could. If I. If I fell on that knee, right? Oh. Oh, they getting.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They getting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They getting 50cc's Monday morning.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. And it's so funny. I don't. I don't know if it. I don't know what happened. I had the birthday sack from when I played in the flag football game. I didn't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

London. Because I hit the ground. Somebody hit the ground real Hard. And two days later, it looked like a guy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huge.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It was huge. And it was. It was. It's still been going down. It's been two weeks now. I got on the plane to go to Atlanta day before yesterday, and it was. It was fat that morning. It was still. It was still a lot left. I got on the plane and touched my leg, and half of it was gone.

[Joe Johnson]

It's on your knee.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. So I thought. I'm not sure. Listen, I. I don't know. I don't know if it had to do with anything with being in flight or our altitude or anything, but most of it was gone. So now it just. It's just a little bit less.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sometimes they'll take it out. Ojo the bursa. They can take it out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, I had it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I had one that got somewhat infected.

[Colin Cowherd]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Caught a pass in Kansas City, hit it, split my elbow open. I ain't know nothing. You know, I ain't know. We playing. I'm just playing. I said, greek, I got a little. I got a little hit my elbow. He's like, come back here. Let me take a look at it. So, Sharpie, this ain't good. So they cleaned it out. They put. They packed it with gauze.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then the next day, they. It's good thing that we ended up having a bye week. Couldn't go nowhere.

[Colin Cowherd]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, man, they had to keep it flushed because this ain't Sharpie. If that thing gets infected, that ain't what you want. You don't want those. You don't want no staff infection shot and that. I ain't know no staff infection. What? I had never heard of a staph infection.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

But bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I. I miss some stuff to get on field. That's why people are. Oh, you don't know what you. Yeah, I. I don't put my body through some stuff. All right, Ocho and Joe, time to play or fade. Presented by prize picks. Joe, I need you to help me out. Cole Anthony. More than four and a half assists against the Warriors. Cold Anthony to play for the Bucks. He's.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on. Is he starting, though?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It don't matter. He gonna just feed the ball to Giannis.

[Joe Johnson]

I know, but I think he been playing well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Great. He had 10 assists the other night.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I know. That's how they get you to it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey.

[Joe Johnson]

That's how they get y'.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All. He's starting. Joke. He starts.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I get. I give him. I give him. So he basically got to get five.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it.

[Joe Johnson]

In Order to win. Talking about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's it.

[Joe Johnson]

Like five or six between.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Between Giannis and Snail and Miles Turner.

[Joe Johnson]

I know it sound good. It sound real good. Who they playing? Golden State. When is this?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Thursday.

[Joe Johnson]

Golden State. Yeah. I'm getting. I'm gonna give him the over. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm Devon A. Chain. 58 and a half rush yards against the Ravens.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ocho tomorrow night. Absolutely, absolutely. Getting 58. I'm gonna be there. Everybody been running up and down and throwing like a hallway up and down through them. That's what it's gonna be like tomorrow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So he'll get 59 yards rushing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, we go. We're gonna take the over. That Rashad Bateman, 35. 31 and a half yards receiving. I don't know where he been. They ain't been throwing him the ball worth a damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Lamar been hurt.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Lamar been hurt. Now, when Lamar's in there, then the offense, the offense is able to function, you know, in the. In the right way. Everybody get to touch the ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So he gonna get 32 yards.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now, I don't know about all that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's on you. That would have. You know what I'm gonna say. Gonna do it because Lamar gonna scramble around. He gonna get a couple of broken plays. I'm gonna give him 32. This is what's gonna be hard, Joe. Dylan Harper, more than 22 and a half combined points, rebounds and assists. Excuse me. Versus the Heat.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, man, I don't know if y' all been paying attention. We talk about Wimby, but this rookie, this rookie right here, Dylan Harper, man, he nice and he. You know what it is? Uncle Ocho, he ain't forcing the issue. He naturally, he. He's. He's been super efficient and he getting numbers, what, 14, 15 a game? Probably about five, six or six. Like he ball.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I say yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, we're going over on everything. 25 to win 150. Download the app today. Use Code Shannon. That's Code Shannon. To get $50 in lineups after you play your first five dollar lineup. But it's good to be right. All right, we're gonna get out of here on this one. It's time for our final segment the evening. It's time for Q and A. Man, the Lakers losing.

[Joe Johnson]

Let me see.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they down by one with 10 seconds to go. There was winning. They was up big. Yeah, they Minnesota Dr. Frank L. Bellamy. Hey, fam, it's almost Halloween. What were y', all, Halloween costumes as kids? And which ones were your favorite? Man, I'm in the country. We ain't have no Halloween costume. Everybody was a ghost. Cut that. Cut the cut. Cut them sheets. Cut the eyes out. Everybody was ghost. They had no damn color. What costume.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hold on. Speaking of. Hey, hey, can Ash hear me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You got. Ash, got the. Ash got to put this Halloween costume up for me real quick. If she can hold on, I'm send it to her. Hey, my. I was. I was Beauty and the Beast with my daughter Joe and uncle when was. Was here in Miami. But it was the full. It was the full. How do I say? It was the full costume. Like the full character costume. It was. It was so raw. Well, I'm gonna see in the ass. You see if asking how. How long it take ass to put it up if she can. My. My daughter was so little. She was. She was beauty and I was the Beast, but it was the actual costume, as if I worked at Disney World or something. You know what I mean? Yeah, Ash, you got that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, she's like. Give her a second.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, yeah, hey, hey. I'm talking about the. It's about the. The costume was about 7ft tall. So when I put it on. No, Joe, I look at it from around. Around the neck. Around the neck area. There's a place for me to be able to see out. Yeah, it looked like I was seven feet tall. And my daughter was so. She was so short. It was. It was Baby Kennedy. She was so short of time. She might have been maybe. Maybe three. Maybe three. Three or four. And it was. That was my favorite costume. It was. It was so dope. It's a place down here in. In Pompano called Costume World. And you can buy every character costume, like the stuff they wear at Disney World, like the real costume. I ain't talking about no. No Target or ordering online. I'm talking about the real thing. You gotta. You gotta get in it like it's gonna be hot.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They got everything you looking for.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't even. I don't even remember dressing up. I'll be right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't never had no costume until I got to. Until I was 30.

[Joe Johnson]

So.

[Chad Ochocinco]

There you go, right there, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Don't do me like that. Don't do me like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Lord have mercy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's the Beast costume. Man, that thing was nice. Boy, I was about seven feet tall.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In that Lakers one. 116, 115.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All right.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. I tell you what, that boy ar.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Over there.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir. You say he gonna be awesome.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He gonna get voted in. You know he can. First of all, you got Luca, Steph, Shay and Ant. That might be. I don't think they're gonna take five guards.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on, hold on.

[Joe Johnson]

So you. You only. You must don't think, Brian.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's what I'm saying. But LeBron would be classified as a front court. Cause you know, they go front quarter, back court, Nigel.

[Joe Johnson]

So look, what about Luca?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Luca back court. Luca back court. Ant man back court, Steph back court, and Shayback court.

[Joe Johnson]

So you think the Lakers gonna have three guys and I think they could.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How good is their record gonna be?

[Joe Johnson]

That's what's going. That's what's gonna be the tear. But, man, like I'm talking about for negotiation purposes at the end of the season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he getting whatever he want at the end of it doesn't matter. All star. Not. He gonna get what he want, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah, look, this Austin Reeve, this is impressive what he's doing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And I just saw that. You saw. You saw. You saw the. The last shot. He just shot Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Austin Reed.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, he didn't. You know what it's like Tonight he didn't have a great shoot night. He was 9 for 24, but he had 28 points. But he had 16 assists.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, he was 8 or 23. Now he 9 to 24 because he made the last shot.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, did he?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, he won the game for him with 6.6 seconds ago.

[Joe Johnson]

But my thing is, if your shot ain't. If your shot ain't falling, man. Can you do something else? The man out here, he dropped 16 dimes, bro. You know, that's why. Yeah, I tell a lot of these young cats who want to improve on their game, man. You can't just be no score bro, because if your shot ain't falling that night, what else can you do for us, man? Dropped 16, 16 assists.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sheldon Pope said, I just read Alan Iverson book and ISO. You played in the league with him. How was it seeing what he went through with the media? And how did you feel when they changed the dress code for the NBA?

[Joe Johnson]

Man, I hated the change in the dress code. You know, man, we used to pull up to the plane. I'm talking about you get right off the bus, step right onto the plane. You ain't have to do no security check. They ain't do none of that. When I first came to Lee, you could wear your warmup shoes like. And then all of a sudden, man, they were Searching for everything. Now you gotta wear a suit coat or a suit. Like, the change was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was.

[Joe Johnson]

It was pretty drastic, man. But AI paved the way for all of us, you know what I mean? Like, you can still see his imprint in the league now. I mean, in. In some of our mega stars, you know, like, Shay, who was. You know, who looked up to AI, got the cornrows, you know what I mean? Like, it's. He left. He left a mean impact.

[Shannon Sharpe]

AI. AI started with the sleeve. That guys ain't no. Hey, I had this verse, had a bursa. That's why he wore the sleeve. Oh, yeah. Everybody else got to sleep on you. Cause it look cool.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. They don't know. He had. He really had to have surgery on his.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he did.

[Joe Johnson]

He went to. I had. I had elbow surgery, too. He went to Andrews.

[Shannon Sharpe]

James Andrews, down in, what, Birmingham, Alabama?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, he changed. I mean, tattoos. Everybody got tattoos now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like, everybody got tattoos. Core rolls of tattoos and dreads. You got one? I'm trying to think, right? I'm trying to think of a brother that don't have no tattoos.

[Joe Johnson]

It ain't many.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And if you ain't got cornrows or dreads. A lock, right? Whatever.

[Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Either you got one or the other. But David Stern. Hey, David Stern said, nah, y' all living to scare off these advertising sponsors. Y' all better put some. Y' all gonna put y' all for the dress. Like, y' all business people. We are business. We are not gonna let you guys mess up this money.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So, hey, look. So it was one All Star Game I played with AI, and this the All Star Game. He came in, he had his do rag on, but he had done cut his hair. Nobody knew. So he took that durag off. We went crazy. He had a big split in between his head from wearing them braids for so long, I couldn't even believe. I'm like, man, this ain't the dude. I grew up watching what has happened.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I saw that clip. Y' all was in the locker room, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I saw that clip.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, it's. But he. Man, he great dude. I met the dude, man.

[Stephen Curry]

He.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He a good dude.

[Joe Johnson]

He is, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Robert Gomez. Hey, fellas. Did you ever get in so much trouble as a kid that you started planning or running away so you wouldn't get a whipping?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I ain't had nowhere to go. I ain't had no money where I'm going.

[Joe Johnson]

You could run, I hear in the tree.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Catch him spanky spanking Catching nothing today.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Gonna run away. I wish I. I wish I would. Hey, you know, back then, boy, you run away, your mama lock your ass out the house. Now you play games as you want to.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, you used to. You got in trouble, though. When she came home, you had that house clean.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. You do everything.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Everything. Clean up. Hey, hold up. Hey, hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe. You clean up everything to hope she give you some grace.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. And when she come in there, you make like you sleep, boy. Please get up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, Joe. My grandma come home for working. Granny, you want to go fish.

[Joe Johnson]

Out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Of dug base and everything? Jojo bad, please. But you know what the worst was, Joe? You get a whipping. And then your grandma tell everybody. Yeah. I had to tear that boy ass up. Ain't nobody asked you that, Granny, why you telling my business? She get on the phone to tell everybody. She called my uncle. She called her friends. Yeah, I had to cut that boy ass today. He end up being married.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, you don't want nobody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't want nobody know you. Nobody granted. Why you dry snitching? Ain't nobody ask you. Did you whip Shannon today? You volunteered that?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That boy ass up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You never. I'm not sure, Joe, how it was when y' all grew up, but when we had a family function or people came to my grandma house, she would have those Eastern star meetings. Yeah, my grandma was eastern stars. He had them Eastern star beats. And everybody come over, and here she go, calling me to come out here, introduce, boy, show them. Show them the little dance you learned. And she, you know, she talking nice, and I'm like, I'm rejecting wanting to do the dance. And she get like, boy, if you don't show these people the dance you've been working on.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, talking with. Talking with her T shirt.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, that we call bitrise. My girl might. Hey, be talking. And don't move. Not one, don't nothing move at all.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You treat me like I'm some little circus animal. Got me out here in front of all these ladies, man. They got on the all white man talk about show them the dance.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When they talk between their teeth.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna cut you out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you get home, I just start crying.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, look, that's my grandma in church, boy. Hey, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

El pray said, Joey, how was your mental experience during your recovery? What were the adjustments you had to make to incorporate yoga into the healing process?

[Joe Johnson]

Well, so when I got. Is he asking how did I get into yoga?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That, you know, you went through it and Everything. So how you get in? Great. Ingratiating yourself back into the process?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, well, I go to, I go to yoga three times a week because I'm trying to get that range of motion back in my leg. So I let that, I gotta let that heat penetrate it and loosen it up. But I'll be back in business, man. Probably about first of the year. Meaning, like, I already got, I'm at about 125 degrees. We walk around at like 130, 140 degrees. So I'm at like 125. So I'm close to normal. So I think the yoga is definitely helping. Like, I got red light therapy and cryotherapy in my studio, Uncle Ocho. So I use it on the regular. Yeah, I ain't playing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on. You got that in your house?

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, I say that my yoga studio.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, you got it in the yoga studio?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Joe, you got a little money? What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, look, look.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello. Chill out. So I, I, I took what I used to do in, when I played in the NBA. Yeah, I used to do the red light therapy. I used to do the cryotherapy. I just took it into the yoga world and, you know, it just kind of worked for me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, you got that, you got that cryo, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Come on, man. Come on. I gotta get back, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that cryo, man, that thing, that little two, three. That little two minutes. That thing. A three minutes.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you can, you can go a minute and a half. You can go two, two and a half. But like, it's got different. Yeah, but, yeah, it's the three minute.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You do that three minute.

[Joe Johnson]

I feel like you're enough of 15, right, Joe?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I did. Let me tell you what I did. I did that. I did it twice. You know you're only supposed to do it once a day. I did it twice. Yeah, Joe, My one day. Yes, because you burn. No, it didn't burn calories, but I'm saying it was like I was, I was dehydrated.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. What I'm saying is. So when you do cryotherapy, all the blood rushes to the center of your chest. All your blood rush to the center of your chest, and it's like a workout. You burn calories.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can burn calories because it's trying to heat up. That's why you burn more calories in the winter than you do the summer, because your body is trying. Your body is rushing so hard to keep you warm. If you notice, Ocho, when people get cold, what do they start doing? Shivering. That's your body trying to generate heat to warm you up. So that thing is. Minus 180, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I did it like it 10 o', clock, 10:30, then went back at like 6. Never.

[Joe Johnson]

That thing ain't no joke.

[Shannon Sharpe]

J213 said. Glad to finally catch you all. Law school has been a lot of fun, but God is carrying me through what foods did you ever not touch again after. After you saw how they. They made some money. I can. I can't touch Spam ever again. Chitlins, sardines, pig feet. I eat pig feet. I fry some spams. Hey, I let somebody get some toast. You make some toast, fry that ham, that Spam. I eat Spam right now. I ain't messing with no sardines. I ain't messing with nobody's chitlins.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on. You won't eat no chilling, but you'll eat raccoon?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I sure will, because I got a guy. I don't found a guy in. In New Orleans that's gonna make us a raccoon stew. Me, you, and Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, oh, oh. Listen, listen. I eat anything. You got to worry about me. I'm gonna try it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's all we gotta do. Joe, we gotta try it. Joe, Ocho and ISO Adventure. We gotta eat everything. Oh, Joe. You and Joe gotta try bull dick and onions. Y' all gotta try all that. Time out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Time out. Hey, listen, I try the onions.

[Joe Johnson]

I ain't even trying that. Listen, man, come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, people thought I was lying. Go Google it right now, Ocho. Type in on Google and see what come up. You gonna see it.

[Joe Johnson]

And there's people eat this. I ain't hearing this one. I'm from some country. I know some country folks, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ask your grandma. Your grandma. Your grandma still lied, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Grandma ate it for.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Joe Johnson]

I see how you try to slide that one in.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Would you eat pig ear pigtail?

[Joe Johnson]

No, I don't eat pig ears.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you ain't never had no pigger sandwich?

[Joe Johnson]

I had. I had them. I just can't. Like. I like. I don't know if it's how they was cooked, but I could. I can't get. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's kind of like. It's kind of. It's kind of like the. The. The. The what's. What's the. The pig intestine stuff.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. You talking about a hog mouth?

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, the stuff we were just talking.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

I can't even get past this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. To smell bad of that. Oh, what about what about you ever had any hog head cheese?

[Joe Johnson]

I ain't had that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I guess, I guess you ain't gonna have no tripe. What about. What about be. What about tongue? You ever had the cow tongue? Have mercy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I'd have had a little cow tongue. I had a little cow tongue. Little chocolate covered ants.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So yeah. Hey, we're gonna get that. We eat eyeballs. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Everything.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Everything. Everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Josiah Chuang say Ocho, let me be your tech guy. I'm being serious.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey boy. Listen man, if you know anything about, about computers and Sony cameras I can show user because I, I can't. I can't get my. I'm using my laptop camera right now. Hey Joe, I'm still clear? It's clear a little bit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean you make it do, we make it do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, but yeah man, I. I don't know. But I spent. I was in best buy. The geek squad ain't know what to do. The lady, the lady working in the can in the camera section, she sat there with me for three hours. Joe sat there for three hours. I bought a. A new 13 inch computer because I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thought that's what it was.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Camera. No, this still. It still didn't recognize it until they tried something called a cam link. And we did the cam link and the computer was able to recognize the camera with the cam link once I put plugged it into the to the port. But then the elgato, it keeps shutting off the night. So now I'm still right back at square one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We have some. We'll have chicken feet, chicken neck, chicken gizzards.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay, Gizzards. I said. I know some gill.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I eat them too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Gizz is good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

JJ said oh. How you deal with oo man. What happened? Everything jt513 said oo you from Miami. You can't load that clip and can't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who can't load the clip? I load my clip with my elbow too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Whatever.

[Joe Johnson]

What is dude?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Tanaj said ash please set up 8 Ball street at Fisher Street. First of all, Joey, Joe probably be efficient. In 25 years Ocho ain't really never been fishing.

[Joe Johnson]

It's been a couple years.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Watch me throw my rod, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

It's been a couple years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy, don't you go. You ain't going nowhere throwing no ride like that.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't think that boy can do nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna keep it real. First of all, why you throwing it with both hands?

[Chad Ochocinco]

What you mean I'm throwing it with one hand?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you first of all if you're going deep sea fishing, Ocho, I get it. And you want to get. Spin it way on out there. But if you short. If you fishing, let's just. Just say you fishing in a pond or you fishing in a lake. You just whip it out there like that. Oh, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah. Hey, yeah, because that, that's a little pole, but I got the big pole because I'm thinking we were deep sea fishing.

[Joe Johnson]

Are you doing that big boy out there?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah. And you see the. You see the extension?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see how you throw? Oh, Lord.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Why you gotta wind it up, T?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Chief 215. Once you turn 30 in professional sports, what do you do differently than you did your rookie year?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Shoot. Count down the time before they gonna let you go?

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, you, you, you. Well, I think that's when a lot of your eating habits, you know, you started to change them. You started changing me. Once you get about 30, man, you gotta change them eating habits. You can't wake up eating them chips and Zuzu's and win, win. You got to get some real protein starch. You know what I mean?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Like, you got to really fuel that body. That was probably the biggest change for me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Well, I started. I started out about 25, eating. Then I started bringing my food. I was eating, you know, chicken breast, rice, broccoli, black eyed peas, and then I would have a. A steak a couple of times a week. I'd have 8 ounce filet, stuff like that. But you're absolutely right. I mean, my first. My first couple years, I was fast food every. I mean, Dairy Queen, burger King and McDonald's.

[Joe Johnson]

Man, look, I could be headed to the game with a honey bun and some.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, don't. When I was 20, I kept that minute maze juice, honey buns of chip. I had about four cartons of that.

[Joe Johnson]

Bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Please.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, you just don't know no better.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you don't, you don't. The George Rockovic said, uncle Ocho, y' all played a vicious sport, but do y' all think y' all could make it through SEAL training and Hell Week? Hell, no. It all depends. It all depends. See, that ain't really something I really aspired to do. Now, what I aspired to do, Ocho, was be a professional football player. So now if you say, okay, Shannon, that's not an option, you know, football an option. And I set my mind to it, you damn right. Because it's more mental than physical. Because there have been guys that was on the swim team can't make it through Seal Training because mentally they're not strong enough. So that's what it comes down to. But I mean, being sleep deprived, man, you know how grouchy you are when you sleepy, man. And they. You. I mean, they got you going on two, three hours of sleep a day. Hey, I'll be. Hey, o you. I'll be walking there, ringing that bell. I see y'. All. Ding, ding, ding, ding.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'll let y' all later.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I ain't much. I ain't much of a swimmer either.

[Joe Johnson]

You can't swim. I can.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you got. Hey, man, they got your hands behind your back and you gotta stand up for an hour. O Joe, you just gotta.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, you got. You gotta relax, huh? You gotta relax. Yeah, you know, I. I did a little Navy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You can't pay your training. Yeah, you can. Yo. You gotta relax.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why. Hey, remember we had that discussion by being tied up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bed post coming down. Hell have your apartment coming down.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hell no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I do not like being restrained. Hell to the dough.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, that's some king.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Please. Eagle Fan 78, Anthony R. Are the are a home in India after this season. If not, where to. He's asking if Anthony Richardson will remain in Indy after this season.

[Joe Johnson]

As a backup. They gonna get rid of him?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think they'll try to probably move if, if. If this season keeps progressing the way it does. He has more value to them being traded than sitting on your rock, sitting on your teeth, rock on your bench. Because you're not. You're not gonna guarantee that fifth year option, Ocho. That's not. You're not. You're not doing that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Not for that kind of money. No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Tino Davis said uncle no show. My uncle passed away today due to congestive heart failure. He loved y' all to death. From the NFL to Nightcap, nowadays, any words would be healthy, helpful. I'm Tino. I'm sorry, bro, about your uncle passing, man. So, yeah, death is never really easy to deal with and someone that cared about you and we appreciate the support. We appreciate him following our NFL career. We appreciate. Appreciate him follow us at nightcap. But hopefully you have peace and understanding and comfort in your troubled times. So thank you, man. Thank you for the message. Thanks and. But our thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family and anyone impacted by the. The passing of your uncle. That. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. Want to thank each and every one of you guys for joining us tonight. As you saw A.R. kobe of the Ozarks hit a walk off shot the Jays. Toronto Blue Jays are one win away for winning the third World Series championship. We'll see if the dog keep this thing alive and force a game seven going back to Toronto. Please. I y' all know me. I'm your favorite uncle Shannon Sharp, my partner and co host Liberty City Zone Bingo's Ring of Fame honoree Pro Bowler all probably that's Chad Ochocinko Johnson and the third member that joins us on Wednesday night. He's an Arkansas University of Arkansas alum, University of Arkansas native. That's him. Seven time all star, Atlanta Jersey, Phoenix, Miami, Utah. That's ISO Joe Johnson. Joe, thank you man. Appreciate you.

[Joe Johnson]

Thank you all man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Make sure you hit that like button please. Make sure you hit the subscribe button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from. Thank each and every one of you for your for your support and your continued support. Make sure you check out Shave by laportier. We have it in stock but if you can't find it in a city or state near you, order it online laportierconjac.com and we'll ship it directly to your door. Please drink responsible and stay safe. Go follow my media company, Shay Shay Media on all of its platforms, platforms and my clothing company, 84. That link is pinned in the chat. We want to thank Mercedes Lewis for joining us. Tight end now for the Denver Broncos, playing in his 20th season. He said this will be his 20th and final season. That's a long time to play in the NFL. I played 14, Ocho played 11. Joe, how many years you play in the NBA?

[Joe Johnson]

17, 18. They count to 18 because of the 10 day that I did with Boston. But.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that's a lot, you understand. That's a long, long time to play and he had the point of contact so he ain't backside on nothing. He having to deal with those defensive ends. He's having a combo block. He's doing wham. He's doing scooping. He's setting the edge. So congratulations Mercedes on a great career. Do well Broncos. Good looking. That's it for Nightcap. We'll see you tomorrow night after the Ravens Miami Dolphins game in which the Ravens will win.

[Chad Ochocinco]

After the Dolphins win.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's Ocho, he's ISO. We'll see you tomorrow night. Appreciate you Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes sir, appreciate you.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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