Nightcap - Hour 2: Unc & Ocho debate who is the GOAT of the history of the NFL!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Club Shay Shay – "Nightcap - Hour 2: Unc & Ocho debate who is the GOAT of the history of the NFL!"

Released: May 29, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guests: Chad Johnson ("Ocho")

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1. Introduction to the GOAT Debate

The episode kicks off with Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson diving straight into the central topic: debating the Greatest of All Time (GOAT) in NFL history. Shortly after a brief interruption involving a T-Mobile advertisement, Shannon and Chad establish the framework for their discussion, emphasizing the complexity and subjectivity involved in determining the NFL's GOAT.

Notable Quote:
Chad Johnson [00:35]: "Each NFL team's goat. Can you see that right there? They got each NFL team's GOAT."

2. Evaluating Legendary Players

Shannon and Chad methodically assess various NFL legends across different teams, dissecting their accomplishments and impact on the game. They reference specific players, highlighting their accolades and memorable performances.

• Ray Lewis:
  Chad Johnson [01:59]: "He's universally regarded as the best middle linebacker to ever play the game."

• Bruce Smith & Jim Kelly:
  A discussion on the Buffalo Bills' legends, emphasizing their defensive and offensive prowess.

• Peyton Manning vs. Other Quarterbacks:
  Shannon considers Willie Parker and Aaron Rodgers for the Packers, while Chad defends Peyton Manning's superior statistics.

Notable Quotes:
Shannon Sharpe [01:35]: "Ray gave you two Super Bowls now."
Chad Johnson [03:04]: "Jim Brown. Ain't nobody unseating him."

3. Current Stars and Future Prospects

The conversation shifts to contemporary players and rookies making waves in the NFL, assessing their potential to ascend to legendary status.

• Aston Genti's Rookie Predictions:
  Shannon expresses optimism about Genti's projected 1,500 rushing yards and 10-20 touchdowns, while Chad cautiously agrees on the yardage but questions the touchdown feasibility.

Notable Quotes:
Chad Johnson [10:34]: "He can get out on you. I'm telling you, if you watch this."
Shannon Sharpe [11:14]: "I like the confidence too. Setting type of lofty goals."

4. Trade Dynamics and Team Strategies

Shannon and Chad delve into the intricacies of NFL trades, particularly focusing on Aaron Rodgers' potential movement to the Pittsburgh Steelers and the implications for both teams. They analyze the Falcons' negotiations to acquire Kirk Cousins and the financial considerations involved.

Notable Quotes:
Chad Johnson [14:29]: "They're interested earlier this offseason in the possibly possibility of acquiring Cousins."
Shannon Sharpe [16:13]: "But Aaron, Aaron, listen, I think he feels like he's played long enough."

5. Cultural Moments and Player Interactions

The hosts touch on lighter, cultural aspects within the NFL, such as players engaging in trends like the "good night" video calls and the versatility of athletes across multiple sports.

• Good Night Trend:
  Chad shares a humorous anecdote about quarterbacks calling teammates to say good night, highlighting the blend of professionalism and camaraderie.

• Saquon Barkley's Basketball Skills:
  They discuss Barkley's impressive dunking abilities, debating the feasibility of NFL players excelling in basketball.

Notable Quotes:
Chad Johnson [17:29]: "It's funny... That's what I do."
Shannon Sharpe [20:22]: "You should see me dunk. You know, my vertical at the combine was at what, 42, right?"

6. Q&A Segment: Audience Interaction

The final segment features a Q&A where listeners submit questions about various NFL topics, including player performances, team strategies, and hypothetical scenarios.

• Flag Football Representation:
  Shannon passionately defends the integrity of professional flag football, emphasizing the need for specialists rather than crossover from NFL players.

• Chicago Bears' Quarterback Dynamics:
  The hosts discuss Caleb Williams' adjustments and body language, relating it to past Bears' quarterbacks like Jay Cutler.

Notable Quotes:
Shannon Sharpe [32:48]: "Anyone is going to represent our country in a flag football format, it should be them."
Chad Johnson [35:48]: "It's hard... chemistry and continuity, man, you can't cheat that."

7. Concluding Thoughts on the NFL GOAT Debate

As the episode wraps up, Shannon and Chad consolidate their viewpoints, reflecting on the discussed players' legacies and the ongoing debate about the NFL's GOAT. They acknowledge the subjective nature of the debate but underscore the shared admiration for the game's greatest talents.

Notable Quotes:
Chad Johnson [29:41]: "Brett has 286 interceptions with 442 touchdowns. Yeah. Aaron Rodgers is the goat for the Packers."
Shannon Sharpe [29:33]: "And just those numbers you just rambled off about. What Aaron Rodgers was able to do in the past is one of the reasons why the goddamn Steelers is actually waiting you."

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Conclusion:
In this engaging episode of Club Shay Shay, Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson offer a comprehensive and spirited debate on the NFL's greatest players. Through a blend of statistical analysis, personal anecdotes, and cultural observations, they provide listeners with a nuanced perspective on what defines a GOAT in the realm of professional football. Whether you agree with their assessments or not, the discussion fosters a deeper appreciation for the sport's rich history and its legendary figures.

Transcript

[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

The volume.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Each NFL team's goat. Can you see that right there? They got each NFL team's goal. I think FanDuel did that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Matter of fact, I saw this earlier. Hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

Do you got any objections?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on. Hey, Ash. Ash, if you can hear me, can you text that to my phone? My eyes are, my eyes are bad. I, I like this. Somebody sent it to me earlier too, but I was, I was at the concert, so I wasn't able to. Ash heard me.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, she sent it to you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Hold on. It's coming. I like stuff like this too.

[Chad Johnson]

Me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You, you have any objections based on what you see so far? Okay, there we go. I got it now. Larry Fitzgerald. Absolutely. The Matt Ryan. I would have loved to put Julio Jones there instead, but would it be Matt Ryan? I totally understand the quarterback Ravens. Ray Lewis. Of course.

[Chad Johnson]

That's a. Well, I, I, I, I don't know when it's all said and done if it might not be Lamar tomorrow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When it's all said and done. Yeah, probably. But you got to understand Ray, Ray, Ray gave you two Super Bowls now.

[Chad Johnson]

Gave you two Super Bowls, two time defensive player of the year. He's, he's, he's universally regarded as the best middle linebacker to ever play the game. I was very fortunate to play with him for two years and know what he put in it to become what he became. So I ain't got no problem with that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Brucey. I played against Brucey. Y Buffalo. Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jim, I mean, I think for the, for the Bills, it could, it could have gone two ways. It could have win Jim Kelly or it could have been Bruce Smith. You can't go wrong either way. What you think?

[Chad Johnson]

I think Brucey and plus Bruce was a two time defensive player of the year all decade player in the 80s and the 90s. Now we'll see what Josh Allen does. Can he take him to the super bowl and unseat him. Right, Cam? Okay, yeah, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I think Cam also with Cam, you can slash Luke Keakley. Even though it was short, it was short lived.

[Chad Johnson]

What about Pep? What about Julius Pepper? I forgot about Steve Smith. It's tougher than you think for Carolina. Yeah, but Cam, quarterback, mvp, took it to the Super Bowl. I'm cool with that. Walter Payton, Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hands down. Anthony Munoz. Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

Jim Brown. Ain't nobody unseating him. No emt. Okay. Yeah, I can live with that, John. Okay. Huh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Over Troy.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

Two time. You do realize Emma was a two time league mvp, right, John? Okay, I live with that. That's a good one. Barry. Yep. Absolutely. Aaron Rodgers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow. Over Brett.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm not. Yeah, I'm not surprised. I mean he got four MVPs, Brett got three. He was a Super Bowl MVP winner. More touchdowns, more. Fewer interceptions. I'm cool. I'm perfectly cool with that. And they have some great, they have some great players. You got Bart Starr, James Lofton's in the Pro Bowl. My brother's going to the Pro Bowl. You have Ray Nitsky, Walter Willie Davis, Herb Adderley. They got Paul Horning, Taylor.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, yes. Aaron Rodgers, J.J. watt. Yes. Jade Manning. Absolutely. Even though with Johnny Unitus. And they got some players. Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, hold on now you skipped. Now that Houston's one. Now I would slash Andre Johnson as well.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, first of all, that's with jj. Three defensive players of the year. Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ah, okay.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean you, I mean you could probably make a case he's the top five defensive player of all time. With what he's been, what he was able to do those years, he's the only guy to have multiple 20 sack seasons.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, I deal with that.

[Chad Johnson]

Peyton Manning, even though you got Johnny Unitus, you got some great players. Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, you've got some great players that, that played there. But for me it's Peyton. Now, I was a little surprised by this Fred Taylor.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, you surprised?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I thought they'd probably go with Tony Bacelli.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, one of the greatest. Probably one of the greatest left tackles of all time.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep. Yeah, but Fred had longevity. Bacelli got hurt, his shoulders gave out on him. As a matter of fact, I had a great conversation with him. We was at the last Super Bowl. I was on a panel with him. So. Patrick Mahomes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Goes without saying. Hey, what?

[Chad Johnson]

Marcus Allen, Raiders. Yes, Marcus. Yeah, but you know, look, they've had some great players. They got a lot of hall of Famers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly. That's why. That's why I just said.

[Chad Johnson]

But Marcus, man, look, you got to understand, he and Al had a really falling out. He was blocking for Bo Jackson. Lt. Absolutely. LT was. Hey, I. I was fortunate enough to play in the tail end of my career against lt. And they had some great players. Kellen Winslow, Dan Fouts, Philip Rivers. Gates. Fred Dean was there for a minute. Big Hands Johnson. Who else they had? Shoot, they had Charlie.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rodney Harrison.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. They had Junior Seau.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

They had Charlie Joyner. West. They had John Jefferson. The Moon Man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Moon man.

[Chad Johnson]

Forget what's west last name. But they had some good receivers there. Kellen Winslow, senior. The Rams. Aaron Donald, no surprise there. Without question, the Dolphins. Dano. No surprise there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

Minnesota. Randy. No surprise there. And they got some hall of Famers, you know, they got that famous, a purple people eater. Allen Page is in the hall of Fame. He's one of the two men that went defensive win MVP as a defensive player here in aot. Carl Hell is in the hall of Fame.

[Shannon Sharpe]

John.

[Chad Johnson]

Johnny Randall, Chris Carter, Fran Tarkenton, Chris Dolman. So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But Randy, Randy, the quarterback, they had that. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Cunningham, New England. Tom. Stop. Those y' all saying New Orleans. Drew. Stop.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

New York. Lt. Stop. Without saying, uh, the. Jeff. Joe Namath.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Broadway Joe.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep. The Eagles. Reggie. Because I gotta say, I got a chance to play against Reggie in his prime. He. That.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Steelers mean Joe. And you know, Steelers got a lot of mean Joe, man. He was the anchor. He was that undertacker that made it all work.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

San Fran, Jerry.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rightfully so.

[Chad Johnson]

Seattle.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Russell Wilson, super bowl winning quarterback. Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

Tampa, Derrick Brooks. I thought they might go. SAP. Thought they might go. Leroy Selman. Leroy selman was the first overall draft pick 1976. The first year they came into existence. Their first hall of Famer. But I like, I played against Brooks, so. But I know Brooks and I know Sapp, so I ain't got no problem with this. The Tennessee Titans, Warren Moon, the Oilers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't go wrong with that.

[Chad Johnson]

Or could have been Errol Campbell, but.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It was too short.

[Chad Johnson]

He was, he was a short, but he was like, I think a three time offensive player of the year. An mvp. Led the league in Russia. Hey. One of the most punishing backs ever.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ever. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Washington. Daryl Green, dg.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, couldn't it, couldn't that have been. That could have been Doug Williams. No.

[Chad Johnson]

Doug played at Tampa, but Doug had a short career at Tampa. You remember he won the super bowl with The Washington.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. So Daryl Green longevity gets him nod here.

[Chad Johnson]

Huh? Oh yeah, the chat's upset. Chat said it should have been Deion or Michael Vick. Oh, wait, okay, beyond where? In Atlanta. But Deion only played. Deion was only there for five years. Five. 85, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94. He went to San Francisco.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He did two in San Francisco and two in Dallas.

[Chad Johnson]

One in San Francisco.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

94, 95. He went to the Cowboys and they won. He wanted the Super bowl in 94 with San Fran. He went to Dallas in 95, won the super bowl with them. So he only played five years in Atlanta.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't think people realize how short time's career was there. And they let him walk. They didn't franchise him or anything. Let him walk.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. I like, I like Julio as, as, as the better player.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

For that. For the Falcons. But you know, the quarterback always gets a nod.

[Chad Johnson]

What about Mike Vic?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Culturally. Yes. Hey, that, that Mike Vick still, still.

[Chad Johnson]

A legend out there. Man. Man. Hey man, them Jo still be wearing Mike big jerseys.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Who wasn't steal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, he was. I can't. I can't even explain it. I can't even explain it. The one game, one of the one game when we played the Falcons.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where the whole offense was up watching on that turf. Nobody was on the bench when we played against Vic.

[Chad Johnson]

Him on that turf was. You had to see it fair. You had to see it. Ready to start running back aston Genti predicts 1500 rushing yards and between 10 and 20 touchdowns in his rookie season. I'm hoping for 1500 yards and we'll say like 10, 20 touchdowns. Do you think that's possible for the rook?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't know about those. 20 touchdowns. 1500 yards.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, yes.

[Chad Johnson]

I like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm trying to think, man. You probably got who that's probably. You got to talk about Gail Sarahs. I think Gail Seras had 20 rush touchdowns his rookie season and I think that was 1965. Go back and take a look at Gail's numbers. Gail was electric though you can't comment.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I like the. I like the confidence too. And setting the goals for yourself. Setting those type of lofty goals for yourself as a rookie coming in. I, I like it. I don't think it's going to be as easy as he thinks it's going to be, especially when he, when he gets to see how fast everybody else is.

[Chad Johnson]

Just imagine you playing Penn State's defense. That's what everybody in the NFL is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I think a little better than that, though.

[Chad Johnson]

That's what I'm saying. And who's going to be able to lift coverage off you? What receivers you got now? You got Bowers. He's really good. And y' all work hand in hand. You know, you want to start dropping that safety down in the box. And now Bowers get an opportunity to work one on one. So I do think 1,500 yards might be possible. That'd be very doable. I say 10, 12 touchdowns, but 20, man. Bro, that's a lot of tubs. Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Gail's numbers, his rookie year, his second year is when he. He read those six. Had those six. Had those six touchdowns in a game. Yeah, but they only played 12 games back then. He definitely would have had 20 touchdowns if they'd play. If they'd have played five more games. They had 14 games in 65 and 60. He came out in 64, right? Yeah, yeah. Him and Buckets. I think Buck. Yeah, he and Bucus were like, okay.

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[Chad Johnson]

I think 15. I think 1500 yards is realistic, but that's still a lot of yards. Even though it's 17 games, that's still a lot of yards. Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, I. I like.

[Chad Johnson]

That's 80 yards a game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you know how hard that is?

[Chad Johnson]

I do, yes. I know how hard.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, he gonna have to have some games where he hit it well over a hundred and get. And I holla at you. How was this 40 time? Just curious.

[Chad Johnson]

Where'd he run the 40? Did he run the 40? Probably. What, 4, 4, 4, 5?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't have.

[Chad Johnson]

He doesn't have 445.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. He didn't. Okay.

[Chad Johnson]

Good speed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got good speed, but I like it, though. But. Ooh, 1500.

[Chad Johnson]

That's a lot of yards. And 10 to 20 touchdowns. Oh, check this out. While it appears that Aaron Rodgers is signing with the Pittsburgh Steelers. The team apparently has a contingency plan if something goes awry. Jeremy Fowler said based on conversations he had during last week's NFL League meetings, Kirk Cousins, and at best, at very least on the Steelers radar. Filer said the Steelers were interested earlier this offseason in the possibly possibility of acquiring Cousins. It was reported last month that the Falcons had discussion with multiple teams regarding a possible trade of Cousins, but Atlanta was looking for a team to take on a significant portion at least 20 million of the remaining 37 and a half million guaranteed on Cousins contract. The Falcons asking price might be more reasonable now, however. Remember Ocho?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

They gave him 50 million signed last year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Johnson]

And he got 37 guaranteed this year. So he got $100 million coming over the next three years for the guarantee. And when I had we. Oh, the thing that I said, I said Ocho, let's just say for. In the best case scenario, right, he plays two years. I said, Ocho, what if he only gives you one?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Which is what he gave us half of one. He gave us. Hey, he gave us half of that one. But listen, as long as the fact that they're even waiting, I'm sure they're probably in talks right now with the Falcons about wanting to acquire Kirk Cousins and paying that 20 million that the Falcons would want them to pay on his salary. Because sitting here waiting on Aaron Rodgers when they have. Is it OTAs coming up or many.

[Chad Johnson]

They're already in them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Like, I mean, listen, I know you, you're a veteran, but I would love, I would love. Maybe it's just me, if I was in this position. I would love to be there right now.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I would too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I would love, I would love to be there. I would love the continuity, you know, getting, getting acclimated with the offense and having, having that much of a head start, if that's what I really want to do. I don't know. But, but Aaron, Aaron, listen, I think he, I think he's, he feels like he's played long enough. He doesn't need to be there. The game of football is all the same. And I, I don't know.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, me personally, I think it hurt him, his relationship with. Not, not personal relationship, but his own field relationship with some of the receivers finger in, In New York.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I've heard, I've heard. I, I could be wrong that he was, he was throwing with, with dk.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. I think. Was it not here in la?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. So, I mean, if, if they if they were thrown together, then that's. That's.

[Chad Johnson]

You do realize DK is not the only receiver on the team, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but he would be. That. He'd be the main guy.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. James Harrison got in on the viral good night trend and called Brett Keel. Let's take a look at the video, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's funny.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, pretty good. I'll send you some pictures. I made a couple more coups. Okay. So y' all going back home now? Yeah. Okay. What you doing sick, man? Just laying in bed, man. I just call him to tell you good night. My man. Man, give me a K.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all. Listen, that's one of the funniest things going on right now, man, that trend. I've seen some. Seen some of the Commander players do it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. That's just what I do. Try to get Jay Daniels be like, bro, what you want?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah. That's funny. Especially the. The authentic reaction of having someone tell you good night. Especially the fellas, when you know it's not normal, it's not common. It's something that's. Balloon.

[Chad Johnson]

Don't do somebody. A guy calling and telling you good night. It's going to elicit. Let's just say for the sake of argument, you all did it at one time and didn't nobody know it was a trend. I think people are starting to catch on now, and so they're going to play into it. But if everybody did it at one time, just take athlete to athlete and you call somebody, man, look here. You better believe that out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, the first thing. This is. All the people I could think of, they gonna say, man, stop playing on my phone.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They gonna curse.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know they're gonna say something. You can't. You can't.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. Yes. Yeah. That's why I don't play a whole. That's why I don't play on the phone before. Hey. Before I say hey, man, you got me on speaker. They asked me the same thing. Man, I'm on speaker.

[Shannon Sharpe]

God, that's.

[Chad Johnson]

You should have told me. Ocho, have you seen the Saquon. The Cooper Dijon Alley hoop video? Oh, yeah. Let's watch this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bouncy bunnies.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, well, think about it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If the rim is 11ft, right?

[Chad Johnson]

10.

[Shannon Sharpe]

10Ft up 10. Listen, I think every NFL player, especially at the skill position, they can dunk. They can dunk. Everybody. Everybody.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, Yeah. I mean, six foot tall with a 30 plus inch vertical. Yeah, you can dunk. Cause your arm's probably two feet long. You got a 30 plus edge vertical, that's two and a half feet plus you six foot, so you should be good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, ab. Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

Absolutely. He dug that thing with authority.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Like, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You should. You should see me dunk. You know, my vertical at the combine was at what, 42, right?

[Chad Johnson]

No, it wasn't, but okay. Oh, you see the dude that ran that 4, 140, I think he ran. I think he won the Big Ten in the 100 meters. The White kid that hour.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, he still. Hey, he late and he could run.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I think he won 100 meters. I think that was him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is it. Is it really. Is it really 4:1, though?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, he can run. No, no, no, he can get out, Ocho. He can get out. When he jumped out them blocks, Christian.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Coleman can get out, and I don't.

[Chad Johnson]

Think he ain't Christian Coleman starting in his prime, but he can get out. Oh, he got out on the boys. They almost came and got him. But hey, he is out there. I think that was him. Was that him, Ash?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I forgot his name.

[Chad Johnson]

I would have won the Big Ten in the 100 meter dash. The white guy from Iowa. Is that the one that ran that 4:1 something at. At the comp. At the. At Iowa for Spring Day or something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you know how fast. You know how fast 4:1 is? Hell, yeah, that might. That might be what, 16 steps? A little. Maybe less.

[Chad Johnson]

Maybe less. I mean, I saw a guy. We had a DB run 4:2 on grass.

[Shannon Sharpe]

On grass.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a whole lot of talk, boy.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep, that's him, ocho. He ran 419, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I need. I need to. He needs it. He needs.

[Chad Johnson]

Mr. Coleman ran 41 2. Yeah, Usain ran 4 2. Ran 42 2. With. With. With. With a sweatpants on playing around. You ran 415. He can get out on you. I'm telling you, if you watch this. Go, go pull it up on YouTube and watch him how he got out. He can get out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I got. I got to see that.

[Chad Johnson]

All right, it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What if I ran 01, I probably wouldn't be able to ran nan route.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, you can run around. All it's gonna do is get you to that safety quicker. You better stay your ass on the. That's a headache. I mean, the only guy. I mean, there have been only a handful of guys that's been able to run like that. Oo that was not afraid to go like Tyreek, to have that kind of speed.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And. And. And didn't live predominantly outside.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, Right. Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Tyreek catches a lot of. In breaking routes. Normally, when you have that kind of speed, you ain't really trying to get hit. All you run is go routes. But Tyreek turned himself into a very good receiver where he could run the route tree, and that's what makes him so dangerous. Patrick Arthur said, unk. Ocho. Stephen A. Said, tyrese Halliburton ain't a superstar. Then neither is Anthony Edwards.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Would you. I think Tyrese Haliburton is a star. I don't think he's a superstar. Now, I could be wrong.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

My basketball prowess is nowhere near yours, or maybe nowhere near those in the chat that enjoy the game of basketball. But he's a star.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, slouch. But superstar is reserved for the.

[Chad Johnson]

They ain't but a handful of them. I mean, we throw this term superstar and star. We throw all those terms around loosely, and it's kind of devalued a little bit. Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Because anybody that have, you know, a year or two, a great basketball. Oh, you're a superstar. No, no, man. You used to have to put work in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Consistency.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. You had to get a couple of, you know, mvp, go to the finals, you know, you had to put some work in, not just have a couple of good seasons.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't think so.

[Chad Johnson]

How y' all. How y' all been? It's your boy from South Dakota, Patrick. We've been all right. We've been all right. Life is good. Life is good. Happy Valley Farm. Said Thunder walk the wolves down with a poker face. Well, look, if you look at the way the Thunder came out tonight, it was a lot different than what they came out from, game three. Yeah. And they knew they could. They could not allow the crowd to get into it like they did in game three. And they came out meant business. They came out with the purpose of, like, we going back home. 3 1. We're not going back home. 2 2. And they did what they set out to do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you know what? If they hurry up and end this series and win this next game, won't they have even that much more time to rest?

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. Yes. All depends. Do the Indiana pacers take a 31 lead, or do they go back to MSG tied? 2 2.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Zeke the God 96. Do you think the Knicks will make a comeback? Everything is contingent on this game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

If they win game four, I say they make a comeback, and they win in seven. If they don't. They're going home in five. Colin, is Aaron Donald really MVP for the Rams? Y' all forgetting St. Louis days? Greatest show on turf. Okay, you won't. So basically. Okay, let's go back. You got Jim Hart, the Rams. You got the Fearsome Foursome. You got Merlin Olson, who was a 14 time Pro Bowler. You got Deacon, you got Rosie Greer and you got Lamar Lundy. If you go all the way back to St. Louis, you got Gyo Hart at St. Louis. You got Dan Deardor at St. Louis. You got Otis Anderson at St. Louis. Those are the really only guys I could think of in St. Louis. Now if you go to Phoenix. I'm trying to. No, I mean, that's the Cardinals. My bad. Rams. St. Louis Rams. Okay, let's go back to LA because they started in LA, then they moved and then they moved back. Sam Waterfield. Yeah. Look, okay, you want Kurt Warner, Isaac Bruce, Orlando face. Marshall Falk. Marshall Falk. You gotta realize it's not like Kurt spent a whole lot of time there, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It wasn't there long, was it? It's Aaron Donald.

[Chad Johnson]

Aaron Donald. The dominance. The eight first team, I think eight time first team all Pro defensive rookie of the Year. Three time defensive player of the Year. Yeah. I think it's A.D. yeah. And it's not to take anything away from all those other guys because Kurt's in the hall of Fame, Marshall's in the hall of Fame. Isaac Bruce is in the hall of Fame. Orlando Pace is in the hall of Fame. Tory Holt's eventually going to get in the hall of Fame. But it's, it's, it's AD. Way too smooth. Brett Favre or Aaron Rodgers? He saved the packers franchise, went to two Super Bowls. The only player to win three MVPs in a row. He did. But Aaron has four MVPs. Aaron was a Super Bowl MVP. And Aaron Rodgers has more touchdowns with fewer interceptions. I don't know, bro. I mean, does. Doesn't Aaron have more touchdown for the packers than Aaron. I mean, than Brett? Because I'm looking. No, I'm. I'm thinking one more mvp. A Super bowl mvp. I think he's been to more Pro Bowls. I think they've been to the same. I think they've been the same. Same as. As far as all Pros. I think Aaron might have four. Brett has three for the Packers. Is it? No. Yes. Yeah. So much. And look at the interceptions. Aaron Rodgers has less than 100 interceptions for the packers with 475 to touchdowns. Brett gotta have at least 200 for the Packers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

How many interceptions Does Brett have? Yeah. 105 for the Packers. So he has 440, 475 touchdowns, 105 interceptions.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Brett has 286 interceptions with 442 touchdowns. Yeah. Aaron Rodgers is the goat for the Packers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And just those numbers you just rambled off about. What Aaron Rodgers was able to do in the past is one of the reasons why the goddamn Steelers is actually waiting you waiting.

[Chad Johnson]

And Sean Taylor isn't there. I mean he probably could have been there, but he didn't play enough years. You got to realize DG played 20 years at corner.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

How many 20 year corners you think you ever go see again in your life, be the mvp?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's not happening.

[Chad Johnson]

It's not not happening.

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[Chad Johnson]

Big TD the one. Uncle Nocho. If you guys were on the same team in your prime, who is the number one option? Look, I don't care about double. I'm gonna get mine. I'm gonna get mine. I'm gonna get mine. I'm not for sure that I was always the number one option, but I just know I led my team in receiving for six straight years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dude, me too.

[Chad Johnson]

You led Bingo. Six straight years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, sure. I led the AFC four years in a row.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, see, I ain't do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I led my team seven of the 14 years. Finished one catch. I almost had eight. Kadri caught one more pass than I did. I started to go back in there and catch another pass to tie him. Jamar chase, not really 100% on playing flag football in the 2028 Olympics. I don't know. I want to hear more information about it. I want to know know the timing for us off season, end of season. I want to know if we're getting paid. I want to know where we're traveling every week, every other day, every day, like all parts of it. Because we have an off season. We Have a life. How long would it be? I don't know. There's a lot of questions to it. I think it's pretty cool, but I'm not really 100% on it yet.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I mean, I like it. I like it and I like. Also, I heard one of the reporters ask him how he felt about those that love and play the game of flag football professionally and making sure they're incorporated in some way. He said, obviously, he says he needs to do his homework on it. But listen, Doucet, who, obviously the quarterback, who's very, very good, and he did. He plays flag, flag at the highest level. And, you know, he spoke out and said how he felt it wasn't fair that the game they love is being taken over by NFL players.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Anyone is going to represent our country in a flag football format, it should be them. So, Doucette, I'm sure you're going to see this, and I hope y' all get the due justice that you guys deserve for the game that you guys love to play. And it's not taken over by those that play NFL football. They can come help contribute and get a better understanding of the game. But actually, them just going from NFL football with a certain set of rules and thinking they're going to learn and dominate the game of flag football. And just asinine to think.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, flag tough, man. Hey, look, I know, I know we all athletes and y' all played the game of football. I ain't played no other sport outside of basketball. But just this. What? About a year ago, I, I, we got a flag football team out here, Hammond park, and guess what? It's coed, man. We getting out of this team. You hear me? I'm talking about, Listen, I'm talking about the girls can throw catch. I'm talking about they got all type of little nuances in the game that if you ain't never played it, see lost out there, you lost. You. Me. Yeah. Hey, that game different now. I thought for some NFL guys, I'm like, oh, man, it'd probably be all right, but y' all saying, ain't no way. Yeah, it's hard. It's tough.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Joe, it's too many. It's too, it's too many tricks. It's too many nuances. It's too riding. They're going on the knee and, oh, they can manipulate the game in ways that NFL players aren't used to. I don't care how fast and quick you are having those attributes, you know, to apply to your Game. Now, that's all nice and dandy in the NFL, but flag man.

[Chad Johnson]

Like he said, okay, how much time are they gonna have to devote? Because it's not like. It's like, oh, your like basketball, but basketball, you know, when the. When the pros came, you know, came back in 92, when they went to Barcelona, bad practice. So what are you gonna do? You just go have these guys out there. Hey, okay, you want to play? Okay. Okay. Lamar, you could be the quarterback. Hey, Jetta, Tyreek, you want to play? No, they're going to have to go practice. And like he said, that's their off season. And just like the guys in the basketball show, they got to give up a large part of the off season, Joe, because as soon as what you comes over with and then you got, you know, like in basketball, they got the worlds and they got all the USAs and they got all this other stuff, but it's going to be different. It ain't just, okay, you. Hey, y' all just show up, right? So I. I learn how to push what Chase is talking about. Yeah, yeah. Chemistry and continuity, man, you can't cheat that. Oh, you can't cheat. You. You think you can have the most talented guys and just go out there and beat up on folks, but, man, listen, if y' all ain't on the same page, it's a rap.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Especially when you don't know the. Know the rules and you. You haven't been doing it for a very long time.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I agree. The Bears are reportedly looking for Caleb Williams to improve his body language and other finer nuances per Albert Brer. While the coaches understood the beating that he took, they showed fam to emphasize how he'd been slow to pull himself off the ground. Williams reportedly is eagerly to make these changes. I agree. Body language is everything, Ocho. You know how it is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, we talk about Chicago. We talk about the Chicago Bears. We talk about the same team that had Jay Cutler, who showed no emotion the whole time. I told. I totally understand. I totally understand them. But keep your quarterback upright. Keep your quarterback up right the best way you can. He wouldn't have to be slow to get up off the ground because he's tired of getting up, tired of getting up from there. He's tired. I understand him. That's why you're getting up slow. The fat. The faster you get up, the quicker you're gonna be back. Back down there.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, I think it's just like, you know, like the quarterbacks normally, they. They normally spring up, because now you make it seem like it's the offensive line, and, you know, you don't want to show anybody up, so just, you know, just. Just pop on back up like, hey, yeah, we know. Hey, we know you take. Yeah, we know you get. And. And like you said, the coaches understood the beating that he took. Yeah. But, hey, I ain't finna show the defense. Y' all ain't finna know. Somebody might get a clean shot on me, Ocho, but you ain't gonna know it. If I can get up, I'm gonna get my ass up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Now that I had some stuff broken. I laid right there. Y' all come on to get me when I. I broke my collarbone, fractured my eye socket, Joe. I lay right there. But other than that, I took some. Took some mean shots. Don't remember a whole lot, but. Yeah, that. That orbital bone. Yeah, it had you laid out. I would lay down for a minute. That hurt. It made it feel like the whole side of my face exploded. Man, listen, when I did mine, they took me to the back, man. I thought somebody was hitting in the back of my head with a hammer. That thing was hurting so bad. It just was a headache. What. What I'm talking about, it wasn't going away, Ocho. Damn. Yeah, I'm talking about ringing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ringing.

[Chad Johnson]

That thing hurt. It definitely hurt. The Falcons posted this picture today before promptly. Promptly deleting it. We're out here 3:28.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's wrong with it? Why they deleted.

[Chad Johnson]

Huh? Yeah. What we missing 2083. Patriots, Falcons. All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Chad Johnson]

Ah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, so they got.

[Chad Johnson]

There's somebody.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The jokes. The jokes went flying, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, I understandable, but that's the past. That's the past for that, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Look here. Atlanta ain't gonna ever forget that. Joe, you better tell him, man. Listen, Ocho. Hey, it so happened. I was playing for the Brooklyn Nets at the time, but I was here in Atlanta. We was gonna play the Hawks a couple days. So, you know, I had a little shindig at the crib. My partner came over here. He had his wife and his son decked out in Atlanta. Gear I'm talking about, boy, they going crazy at halftime, you hear me? Throwing a whole running of the bulls in my kitchen. Going crazy. You hear me, Ocho? Boy, when that lead started trickling down, you should have seen that, man. Hey, he lost it. He lost. He couldn't believe there was already streets, man. My homeboy Betty sent me pictures. They parted in the street with super bowl coming to Atlanta. What I tell you?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I'm not. Not even trying to be funny when I'm 28. 3. Owner. I honestly thought the game was over. I had jumped on the video game. I started playing FIFA. I'm just thinking about it and, you know, as playing the game as long as I played it, especially two teams that are as good as they are to get to the super bowl, to be down 28. Three, there's really no way you can come back from that.

[Chad Johnson]

Run the ball they made. They made every mistake that would not run the football. How you up 28. 3 and you have fewer rushes in the second half than the team that's down 28. 3. Matt Ryan know damn well he can't take a sack. Cause they're in field goal range. And he took a sack. And the play that changed it is when Tevin Campbell got hurt. They brought the backup back in. I forget his name. And he whiffed. And Hightower, they had the guy open for a touchdown. And Matt Ryan was fitting to throw it. And in the process, Hightower hit him. He fumbled.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That fourth down catch from Edelman, too. That ain't nothing. Oh, yeah, that ain't number.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, it was almost picked off.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that was number. The football guards right there.

[Chad Johnson]

Think about it. Late in the ball game, Ojo the fourth quarter, I think it was like inside of two minutes. Julio made that great toe touch. Yeah. You in field goal. Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, that was beautiful.

[Chad Johnson]

You in field goal range now. Just run the football.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Why would you. Why would you? And Matt Ryan had been playing long enough. He knows he can't take a sack in that situation. Ocho. He can't. You just can't. Hey, look, they built that beautiful. That beautiful stadium right after that, thinking they was going to get right back to there and get back. Boy, it is. Listen, man, think about it. Hold on. They went. They played us in 98, so it was almost 20 years before they went back again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, boy. Hey, I think people have been spoiled by the Patriots consistently going back over.

[Chad Johnson]

And over and over. In Kansas City.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In Kansas City now, recently. It's hard, man. And it's a testament to how great 12 and 15 are.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There's a reason they make. Man, you get the point. I don't need to be. I don't need to get into that.

[Chad Johnson]

Someone built the worst franchise. The worst NFL franchises. Building the worst NFL franchises. Logo, Washington jersey. The Browns stadium. Commanders offense. Browns defense. Jags coaching. Cowboys city. Las Vegas fans. Chargers mascot. Raiders. Oh, joke. Hold on. Y' all think that the weakest jersey, the brown.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh? You seen the Browns? All white.

[Chad Johnson]

That ain't what they known for. They known for them. Do the Browns.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay, okay, okay. That all white. That all white. Penn State now all white. Browns uniform.

[Chad Johnson]

When you think of the Browns, you think of that jersey that's in that picture.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay? Yeah, you're right.

[Chad Johnson]

And look at the helmet. Ain't got no decal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Right. Stadium. Now, I had played in that stadium and oh, my goodness. Almost 20. Oh. Almost 30 years. So I don't know what it was. It was fairly new when we played in it. Right, so it seemed. But obviously they're looking to build a new stadium now, so clearly it's outdated. The Browns offense. Okay. Yeah. Jacksonville's defense. Coaching Cowboys. What's wrong with Vegas?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know. I didn't understand that one.

[Chad Johnson]

Fans. Chargers ain't got no fans. They should. What they should. What the Chargers should have done, Ocho was renovated that stadium. I don't know. First of all, you don't have the fan base that's going to follow you. If I'm a Chargers fan, I'm not driving. I'm not driving that. I'm not driving. No. Two hours. Well, it's only like 90 minutes. That's if everything is perfect. If the interstate opens up, it's 90 minutes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

But it's probably about four, three and a half, four hours. Chargers ain't got no fan base like that. They don't. I'm being honest. They should have just re the money that they put to go into Sofi so they could be second class to the Rams. They should have just put that money into that stadium and built that right there. And the mascot, what the rate the Raiders used to have. I don't know if that's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who is the Raiders mascot?

[Chad Johnson]

It used to be the. The black guy, the pirate guy with the shoulder pads.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hold on. Do the Chargers and the Rams had the same owner? No, they played the same building so far. Stadium. Stan Cronky. Okay, the Rams. And what's the guy named on the Chargers? Ash. Him and his sister. Spanos. Dean Spanos and his sister. They own it, but Cronky owns. He owns the Avalanche, he owns the Nuggets, and he owns Arsenal. He. Oh, I think he owns. He owns a soccer team, too. I think it's Arsenal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, Cronky. Smooth as hell, man. When you meet him, man, he fly. He a smooth dude.

[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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