Nightcap Hour 2: Unc, Ocho & Iso Joe react to Gillie responding to Cam Newton and Ja’Marr Chase wants his Madden rating changed!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 2

Episode Title: Unc, Ocho & Iso Joe react to Gillie responding to Cam Newton and Ja’Marr Chase wants his Madden rating changed!

Release Date: July 25, 2025

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe, Chad Ochocinco, and Joe Johnson

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1. Introduction to the Beef: Gilly vs. Cam Newton

Timestamp: 02:21 – 05:00

Shannon Sharpe kicks off the episode by delving into the recent tensions between Cam Newton and Gillie the Kid (Gilly). The conflict arose when Cam criticized Jalen Hurts, leading Gilly to respond vehemently.

Notable Quote:

• Gilly the Kid [02:34]: "You had on a jersey with a bow tie. You corny ass. Get out of here. You will never be able to win a Super Bowl."
  (02:34)

Shannon questions if anyone besides him has personally met Gilly, highlighting the intensity of Gilly's response.

2. Personal Takes on the Feud

Timestamp: 05:00 – 19:18

The hosts share their personal relationships with Gilly, emphasizing his passionate nature and commitment to his role with the Bengals. Chad Ochocinco expresses skepticism about Gilly receiving a Super Bowl ring, while Joe Johnson shares hopes of the Bengals winning and perhaps seeing Gilly honored with a ring.

Notable Quote:

• Chad Ochocinco [04:25]: "Ain't gonna lie. I hope you don't."
  (04:25)

The discussion shifts to Shannon's relationship with "Mr. B" (likely Mike Brown, Bengals' owner), revealing a deep mutual respect and a unique bond beyond just the football realm.

Notable Quote:

• Shannon Sharpe [05:07]: "I defy you to find a player that Mr. B loved more than Shannon Sharpe, other than John Elway."
  (05:08)

3. Handling the Madden Rating Controversy

Timestamp: 29:48 – 35:08

Ja’Marr Chase voices his dissatisfaction with his Madden NFL rating, feeling it doesn't accurately reflect his on-field performance. The hosts discuss the implications of such ratings on player reputations and fan perceptions.

Notable Quote:

• Joe Johnson [30:00]: "I think I caught my rating and I called Chad right away and I told him this is wrong rating. It wasn't 99."
  (30:00)

Chad Ochocinco aligns with Chase's sentiment, advocating for a higher rating that mirrors Chase's contributions.

Notable Quote:

• Chad Ochocinco [30:14]: "I'm with him on that. I agree. I think it should be about 99."
  (30:14)

4. NBA Legends and Player Rankings Debate

Timestamp: 49:01 – 66:14

The conversation shifts to basketball, where the hosts debate the rankings of NBA legends. Dwayne Wade challenges Bleacher Report's ranking of Kobe Bryant, asserting Kobe deserves a top-three spot alongside Michael Jordan and LeBron James. The discussion extends to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's undervaluation and Shaquille O'Neal's criticisms of Rudy Gobert's game.

Notable Quote:

• Shannon Sharpe [50:00]: "I think the lowest he ranked was like two or three. I mean, when you're an analyst, when you know your job is to critique and analyze."
  (50:00)

Chad Ochocinco emphasizes the dominance and legacy of Michael Jordan, LeBron James, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, making it challenging to accommodate Kobe Bryant into the existing top rankings without displacing other legends.

Notable Quote:

• Chad Ochocinco [54:54]: "That's a lot of bread. 28,000 for haircuts."
  (54:54)

5. Gambling Among Athletes: Risks and Realities

Timestamp: 39:54 – 44:34

The hosts engage in a candid discussion about gambling habits among professional athletes. They explore the allure of high-stakes gambling and its potential repercussions on players' careers and personal lives.

Notable Quote:

• Shannon Sharpe [40:46]: "But how is it even that. That's so fun?"
  (40:46)

Joe Johnson expresses skepticism about the excitement of gambling large sums, questioning the true thrill behind such high-risk activities.

Notable Quote:

• Joe Johnson [40:35]: "I don't see how gambling could be that exciting when you make such an abnormal amount of money and risk that much."
  (40:35)

6. Viewer Q&A and Final Thoughts

Timestamp: 75:04 – End

In the concluding segment, the hosts address listener questions ranging from dating someone with a child to predicting upcoming NFL game matchups. They offer personal anecdotes and advice, maintaining the show's engaging and relatable tone.

Notable Quote:

• Shannon Sharpe [86:00]: "Those conversations around those individuals you just named, it gets very passionate. It gets very passionate."
  (86:00)

Conclusion

In this episode of Nightcap Hour, Shannon Sharpe, Chad Ochocinco, and Joe Johnson delve deep into current sports controversies, personal rivalries, and broader discussions about player valuations both on the field and in gaming platforms like Madden NFL. Their candid and often humorous interactions provide listeners with unique insights into the personalities behind the athletes, balancing serious analysis with lighthearted banter.

Highlights:

• Gilly the Kid's Response to Cam Newton: A heated exchange ignites debates about professionalism and personal attacks in sports commentary.
• Ja’Marr Chase's Madden Rating Dispute: Players and hosts advocate for fair representations of athletes in popular video game franchises.
• NBA Legends Ranking Debate: A passionate discussion on where basketball's all-time greats truly stand, emphasizing the challenges of ranking diverse talents.
• Gambling Among Athletes: An honest look at the motivations and dangers of high-stakes betting within the sports community.
• Interactive Q&A: Engaging listener questions add a personal touch, allowing the hosts to connect more deeply with their audience.

This episode offers a comprehensive look into the intersections of sports, media, and personal dynamics, making it a must-listen for fans eager to hear behind-the-scenes perspectives from some of the most recognizable names in sports entertainment.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Guys, just when you thought Cam and R.C. beef was dead. Gilly the Kid hold my beer. Let's take a listen to what Gilly had to say in response to Cam criticism of Jalen Hurts.

[Gilly the Kid]

Good day, Cam Newton. I seen you came at me because I said Jalen Hurst did what you couldn't do that was win a Super Bowl. So you want to get all in your feelings. Man, shut your tight jean wearing ass up, man. You had on a jersey with a bow tie. You corny ass. Get out of here. You will never be able to with jail and hurt. You super goofy corny ass. Get out of here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Gilly the Kid]

What you do? You won mvp. Won a Super Bowl. Win the super bowl mvp. And you hating on him. Cause he did what you could do with a Super bowl and he been the two of them. So when you hating on him, just know you weren't better than him. You talk about, can you name one of my albums? You ain't got to be able to name one of my albums. Wrong with you. You in my space. You ain't bigger than me. In this space, you a low ass boy. In this space, your little ass boy. I could come sign you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Personal, man. Look, anybody ever met Gilly besides me? Anybody ever met Gilly besides me?

[Joe Johnson]

And I know Gilly, we don't play basketball together.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He got that energy all the time.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He took that personal. Yeah, he took that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He absolutely did. You know Gilly got a ring. O. Yeah, I saw it. The Eagles gave Gilly a ring.

[Joe Johnson]

I saw it. That's where the idea came. You know, when the Bengals win the Super Bowl, I'm hoping they give me a ring. You know, being. Being. Being the team mascot, being the best ambassador for the organization even though I don't play anymore. So I'm hoping I do get a ring this season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't. I don't hope you get a ring this season.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna lie to you. I hope you don't.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey. I'm just keeping it 100. I'm just keeping. Keeping 100. Man. I can't sit here and say I hope you get one. I don't. I know. No, I don't.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. I. I feel. I feel it's cool.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I could have got. I should have got one. I should have got two bowl 50 ring OJ. Why? I could.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm asking you why though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why? Why, why, why, why, why? Could.

[Joe Johnson]

I already got three. Why you need another one?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, they were nice, though.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, look, I don't know, like, I don't know what the type of relationship that you have with Mike, I.

[Joe Johnson]

Can pick up the phone and call.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Him right now, but the relationship that I had with Mr. B. Mr. B on the Broncos from 1984 till, I think the. The Walton Pillar family bought it in 22. I want to say maybe 19. 19, 20. 22, something like that. 20, whatever. Other than John Elway. I defy you to find a player that Mr. B. Loved more than Shannon Sharp. Other than John Elway.

[Joe Johnson]

Now that I think about it, now that you just said it, I like that you said that. Now that I like that, now I'm gonna raise you. Another one would have asked Mike Brown.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

If you would ask Katie. If you'd asked Troy, maybe ask the rest of the family, their kids, what players do they love the most that played for that organization? Who you think they gonna say?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean. I mean you. You posing the question. I guess you mean you.

[Joe Johnson]

Who else? If you ask the fans who do love the most that has played for that organization.

[Shannon Sharpe]

His. His kids are putting. The young kids are putting together a little something. And they asked me to ask me to sit down and. And speak for it. And his. His daughter Brittany. I know, I know. I know all. I know all the kids, but they asked me to speak and they say, Shannon, the reason why we ask you. And I'm gonna ask. I'm gonna speak with Brittany and ask does she mind if I share the note that she wrote? She said, because our dad was so serious. Except when he was around you, you come in the locker room, that's my domain. You get what everybody else get bagged.

[Chad Ochocinco]

On and they respect.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, uk, you get on bus number two. If you break your ass back there to the back, you getting it. Anybody to come back there to the back, go get it. Whether you. Mr. B. Whether. Whether you might share the hand, it didn't matter. I will give you that work. And they respected. He respected that. Oo. I did things. And he. And. And he told me, he say, only you got. The only you would ever even think about that. Greek said, sharpie, ain't nobody else got. Ain't nobody else got the brands to do what you just did. But he appreciated that and he took a liking to me. Even way before I became Shannon Sharp. Had a girl. My girlfriend and I, we expected our first. She found out she was pregnant.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

By this time, Ocho, I done went bought up. She's like, shannon, oh, you know what I want? I said, what you want? She said, I want a fur coat. I said, your boy got you. Yeah. Hey, you know, I don't. But I don't really got that make me. So I thought of me, Ocho, well, you got money. She talking about she don't feel well. I said, okay, well, let's go to the doctor. I mean, you don't feel right. The doctor come back and say, well, I know why you don't feel well. I said, that why you don't feel well. What you know, I don't know. Doc. Doc said, congratulations. I like, yeah, you know, the Bronco, they gonna give me a contract or something, but you talking about congratulations. What the hell you're talking about? Come on. Yes, I real. I. I swear. I swear. I said, congratulations on what? It says your girlfriend's pregnant. Congratulations.

[Joe Johnson]

How you feel? How you feel? How you feel?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bro, I just spent 12, 000 on me co. I need that money back. You be high fell. I felt sick to my stomach. Now we got two people in that mofo sick. They're not feeling well. Her.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, well, listen. Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Joe. Joe. So I tell him, I go back and I try to explain to the people. I said, look, I found out my girlfriend is pregnant, and I was wondering if I could get a refund. They say they're not gonna give me no refund. I called Mr. B. I said, Mr. B, I got a problem. He'd say, he always called me Sharpie. He called me 84. He said, Sharpie, what's. What's going on? I said, Mr. B, my girlfriend's pregnant, and I purchased a fur coat not knowing that she was pregnant. And it's. We need baby supplies, not a fur coat. He said. He said, here, I'm gonna give you my personal attorney. His name was Rich Slifka. If you in Denver, you. Y' all know Rich Lifke. He was also in charge of Mr. Bowler's estate. Rich Lifke and Joe Ellis. I called Rich. He said, I expected you, Mr. Sharp. He said, how you doing? I explained my situation in the day. I got my money back.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you might be all right, man. He might. He may look out for you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why you laughing?

[Chad Ochocinco]

He may look out for you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. Oh, for sure. Oh, for sure. And when I retired, I remember when I retired, Joe, he asked me, he said, are you sure? He's like, you want to coach? You want to do anything? I said, Mr. B. I say, for the first time in 26 years, I want to do something other than play football. I thought about doing something other than playing football. He said, sharpie, he said, if you ever need anything, hey. He said, any game you want to go to, anything that's in this. I said, so who I need to call? He said, you don't need to he say, he said, you don't need to call anybody. I said, Mr. B, I ain't got no. I ain't got no credentials. He said, your face is your credential.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's what I'm talking about, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look at Ocho. Anything, anything that was at mile high. Any game, Super Bowl. I go. I said, hey, I call, I say, the super bowl in new. In. In. In New York. I call, I want to go to the Super Bowl. Got you. He's like, say, well, who, who you bringing? I say, I said, ain't nobody. I said, who can I bring? He said, you got a suite, man, Ocho, a 12 person suite is three people in there. Hey, sometimes me. Yes. So guess what, Ocho. So guess what? Now we go to they in Super Bowl 50. They got the eyes beat out. I left early. I said, in New York, Seattle beat the brakes off them. So they go to San Francisco Broncos against KM Hey, I want to go to the thing again. 12 per 12 person suite. 3 people in there. I got field passes, I got a field pack. I go anywhere out the celebration. I'm on the field. Half, I'm. Hey, I'm on the field pregame, I'm walking everywhere, just wherever I want to go. Like I said. I know he had a very special relationship with John, but in the 30 plus years that he owned that team, I was number two to number seven, that's for sure. And when I went to the hall of Fame, oo he called me, I was like, hello? He's like, Sharpie. I said, Mr. B, how you get my number? He said, sharpie, there's not a whole lot that I can't get. I say, okay, right, Touche, touche. But he said he wanted to congratulate me, that he was proud of me. He said, hey, I don't know if y' all know this, Ocho. It's expensive to go to the hall. It cost you. It costs to go to the hall. So he said, you know, he said, sharpie, call Lisa, his secretary on Monday. Give her a ballpark idea, man. Please. 35 people. He flew a man put him up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And that's what's up, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The food, the party, the party, all the food, the alcohol, he paid for it. Now, you know you're gonna get the ring. The ring. How many people you want to bring? I say, Mr. B, you know, I got my kids, I got my mom, I got my sister. I say, my high school coach and his wife. I got my Spanish teacher, her husband, who was my junior high Principal brought them all in.

[Joe Johnson]

That's loud. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Saturday night, Mike called me. 84. What you doing? I said, we just sitting around, Mike. We ain't doing nothing. He said, I want to throw you a party. I said, my Mike, you ain't got to do that. He said, no. He said, I got everything taken care of. He said, how many people you got? I say, it's about. I said, Mike, it's about 12, 14 of us. Ocho, Alaskan king crab, lift, long jumbo prawns, this long steak, lobster. I'm talking about everything. That's why I'm saying it's. So when. Like, when you got a relationship, I get. I call Mike Shanahan right now. I call Kyle and get a job tomorrow. 84, what you want to do? I say, I want a loaf until noon, and then I want to loaf the rest of the day, too. But I want to be on payroll while I'm doing it. Let me ask you, what y' all think about this? Ocho, Let me look. What y' all think about Gilly? We saw. We saw RC's response to Cam. We saw Gilly's response to Cam, and we've already. Joe, you weren't here. What's your response? What. I'm gonna start with you first. Joe. Joe, what do you. What's your. What's your take on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I just thought it was too personal of a shot because we can talk trash back and forth, you know, it could be a good sparring session. But I just think when they get personal, bro, I think it kind of draws a line. You know what I mean? Like, so. So I don't know if he took it personal when Cam said something about him dropping an album, and I think it just kind of no holds bars. He just. He just went. He. He went berserk after that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What'd you think?

[Joe Johnson]

You gotta understand that, Coach. You already know what time it is. You know, the AD meets the eye. You say the wrong thing, I'm gonna say the wrong thing. You say the right. I'm say the right thing. Respect is earned. It's not given. Therefore, when you take shots, you have to be. You expect the other individual.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I'm coming back.

[Joe Johnson]

Something's coming back. That's the space that we live in. Cam, he not gonna back down. Gilly. We've known Gilly for a very long time. What he does, he's not gonna back down. You say something, he gonna say something back. You say something to Cam, he gonna say something back. Ryan. Ryan, I'm Sure. Probably at some point he gonna respond. I'm assuming so. Or, or maybe not, because I'm assuming Ryan and, and Cam will probably have to see each other at some point, you know, on espn. But, but still, that is, that, is that, that's just one topic. It won't cause any feud in the work environment. Other than that, listen, it's entertainment. At the end of the day, nothing will probably happen outside of those mics and in that space of podcasting. So I think, listen, it's a good jabbing war. It's like, it's a good jabbing war. May the best man win in that situation.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I agree with both of you guys. I hate when it gets personal. You know, I hate when Cam, you know, Cam was a quarterback. Obviously his influence is going to be different than any other player on the field. Regardless where round was drafted, regardless of how many Pro Bowls, there's not any quarterback that's worth anything is going to have more value basically than anybody else. Cam was an mvp. Cam was a multiple time Pro bowl player. Yeah. Cam won the Heisman camp. His accolades speak for themselves. We don't know. We don't need to go off and list them. And, and, and, and, and, and for me, if Cam had just stuck like, look, this is what I'm saying. It's hard for me to evaluate Jalen hurts when he has so much talent around. I'm not saying that he's not talented, but it's easier for me to evaluate someone when they don't have as much talent, where they don't just have to turn around and hand the ball off and have Saquon hit his head on the goal post from 80. Or he has a, or he has, you know, these two receivers. That's Pro bowl receivers or an offensive line that's as good as that's ever been assembled. Keep Ryan's accolades out of it. Ryan, keep Cam. Whether he did or did not jump on that football. Okay, we know that. We know Cam didn't jump on the football and he said it. If he could go back and do anything different in his playing career, that's the one thing that he would have done. So if we want to evaluate a, a player, evaluate the player says, all right, this, this is why, this is why everybody's not going to like your opinion. Because if you try, you can try to appease everybody. Ocho. And the one person that's gonna be very disappointed and upset is you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because when you try to appease everybody, the only person that's Hurting is you. And disappointing.

[Joe Johnson]

You can't please everybody. You can't. It's. It's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nor should you attempt to.

[Joe Johnson]

Hell no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Gilly. I. Look, Gilly, my guy. I. I love Gilly. I love Wallet Wallow. You know, I talk to the brothers and they good people. They really are. Gilly take things like, to the Eagles, like. And I've been. I've been in a very similar situation one time before, and it's probably one of the times that I regret something that, you know, you, You. Somebody says something about a team or a player that you like, and then you take it personal. You take personal shots at them. And then, you know, you have to realize, okay, that man is entitled to his opinion. That's his opinion. Just because you feel passionate about this as a pro and he feels passionate about this as a negative, it doesn't make you more right than him. It doesn't make him more right than you. That's his opinion. I agree with you, Joe. I think when. When Kev like, well, hey, bro, I.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Think that's why all gloves went out for Gilly, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why he said, right, you're not bigger than me in this.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And that's when it started to get real personal. You could tell.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But we know it's gonna be. It's gonna be some back and forth, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jay Jalen Hurst is a. Is a very polarizing figure because it's not like, you know, every other year. I mean, think about it. We had Doug W. And then we had a big lull, so we got 87. And then we had to go all the way to 2012 before we got another. So we had to go almost three decades before we got another black to win the Super Bowl.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

At the quarterback. And then we got Mahomes, and now we got Jaylen Hurts. So it's not like it's just littered. And so now it's like, you know, and I think maybe RC and maybe Gilly feel like, man, they being. They being unfairly criticized. Cause, excuse me. When. When. When Tom won his first UBO, they applauded it and he threw for a buck 42. But we trying to find ways. But that's. I mean, when you're an analyst, when you know your job is to critique and analyze. The only thing I will say about this. And I.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And I.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This is what I always never went to journalism school. I didn't go to Syracuse. I didn't go to Missouri. I didn't go to any one of These fancy journalism school. But this is what I do know. Never become part of the story. You see now, Cam Ryan are part of the Jalen Hurts story. This should be about Jalen Hurts, but they've become a part of the story. You stay away from the story. You talk about it, you critique, you analyze, but you don't become a part of it.

[Joe Johnson]

But the critiquing and analyzation is why they're part of the Jalen Hurst story, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, you can do that. But see, now we're not talking about them. We're talking about what Cam and R.C. going back and forth. Cammie, Gilly, the kid going back and forth.

[Joe Johnson]

They gonna squash that. That. That ain't. That ain't nothing. That's all. That's all talk. They're gonna squash it. It's not going anywhere outside of the space in which we're doing right now. And that. That's podcasting.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

So that. That's a good thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I agree. But you see, hey, that podcast didn't got. Hey, look serious as sports.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You, you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, everybody got a mic, everybody got something to say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And everybody like, hey, we the king of this and we the king of that. And we started this and we started that. I don't know. I. I don't know who started what. But there's enough for everybody to give.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There'S enough. Hey, Henry Ford invented oh well, he didn't invent the car. He first American. But there's Mercedes. So you got Mercedes, you got BMW, you got Ferrari, you got Lamborghini, you got Ford, you got Chevy, you got Tesla. And Tesla only came Tesla less than 20 years old and 10 times the value of damn near every every Tesla could buy all the car dealership every every BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari, Lambo and his last to the market. But I hope you write on yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You know it ain't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I I hope you're right. I'm gonna take your word for it because. Because you. Hey, you know how we are O Joe. We don't like to let stuff go.

[Joe Johnson]

I didn't say. I didn't say they were gonna let it go. I said it's not going anywhere outside of the space of what we actually do. That's that camera. It's good. If it's going to continue, it's going to continue here. Which is a good thing, you know, for though it's in it's entertaining, it's fun. It's attracting eyes and viewers to each said individual's podcast or people wanting to Hear what's being said whether. Whether it's good or whether it's bad. And at some point it'll die out because football season is right around the corner.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're right about that. Yeah, but you, man, hey, there's something about us, man. We. We. Hey, we polarizing the thing. Jalen hurts Lamar Jackson. Man.

[Joe Johnson]

Those conversations around those individuals you just named, it gets very passionate. It gets very passionate.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So we need to find me somebody that's. That's passionate about me like they passionate about Lamar and. And Jay. Hurts. No, I don't want nothing.

[Joe Johnson]

I'll toss it for you now. Don't. Don't do that. You good?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I gotta make sure I turn this air on tonight. I don't know what had going on down here. Damn, I feel like Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, I don't. Man, listen, listen. When the show is on, it's two things I'm not gonna do. I'm not gonna be using my electricity and my AC unit at the same time. I ain't gonna run my goddamn bill sky high. Me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I'll be running mine.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, no, sir, it's gonna be.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, look, if I ever got somebody.

[Joe Johnson]

It'S gonna be one or the other.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on, hold on. So you come home, Ocho, and it'd be hot as. I don't know what in the house.

[Joe Johnson]

On it. Yeah, man, listen, my light bill will never be over a hundred. A hundred dollars. Never ever. I unplug everything out the sockets, everything. If it's not being used, I'm unplugging.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I can't. Come on. No high house.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got my. I got. I keep my air at 68 degrees.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's cold.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, baby.

[Joe Johnson]

Man, listen. Hey, we in 20, 25.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can wait. Get off my. Get off my.

[Joe Johnson]

You can wait till you get in the house. You can wait till you get in the house and then turn the AC on, having it running.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Joe Johnson]

You wasting money. You wasting electricity.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's somebody here. It's always somebody else. We got to keep it on. Ojo.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, all right. Ocho, Jamar Chase, ESPN'S top rated receiver has a bone to pick with Madden. Ratings adjust to O and his rating of him. Let's take a listen to what Jamar had to say.

[Joe Johnson]

I think I caught my rating and I called Chad right away and I told him this is wrong rating.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What was wrong about it?

[Joe Johnson]

It wasn't 99.

[Colin Cowherd]

Did he say he was going to fix it or.

[Joe Johnson]

I hope he is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, if he don't, I'm be mad at him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I'm with him on that. I agree. I think it should be about 99.

[Joe Johnson]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, Wait a minute. Hold on now. Hold on now. Listen, we're. We. We. What everyone did last season, right? Obviously, the updates will be in the new game. The new game ain't even out yet.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's at 98.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's. His rating is based on what he'll be 99.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I. I don't know yet. Based on he.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know because when Cooper cup wasn't a triple count, he was not even finished.

[Joe Johnson]

That was the following season after he.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Might get that honey, huh? Oh, Joe.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hold on, hold on.

[Joe Johnson]

Ain't a honey. Let me, Let me finish. Let me finish, though. Listen, so Chase, he. He called me with a little air in his chest. Yeah. So what I did, you probably look at little a your chest. So I blocked him. Yeah. So I had to block him. Like. Listen, wait a minute. Hold on. Tighten up now, young fella.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, young boy.

[Joe Johnson]

So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go back to my team. I'm gonna talk about. I'm gonna talk with my team over at ea and we gonna discuss and see what we gonna do later on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You, You.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You really over the rankings?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, Only. Only for.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, he wanted to.

[Joe Johnson]

Only for the skill position. Receivers, DBs. Yeah, only. Only. Only receivers and DBs. Because I'm saying.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So can you make somebody aund and then like to where you can't even create.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I know a guy that's on here talking to you, though. That was a Hyundai.

[Joe Johnson]

You was all right. You was all right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all need to give me something. Y' all need. Y' all need to. Y' all need to. Y' all need to grandfather me. Give me something for that. I need something to hang on my wallet.

[Joe Johnson]

I tell you what, you send me my gifts, we'll make something special for you in the game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, man, come on.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on. Listen, I told you. Listen, I do me a small favor. Send me my awards and I'll send your money.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Ojo. Where my money at?

[Joe Johnson]

What I owe you?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Finals, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, oh, oh. How much I owe you, Joe?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, did we win game for game? I think we had like seven games. I think we had like 700. 700, something like that.

[Joe Johnson]

Joe, it was. It was each game. What you about, Joe?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe tried to get. He won all seven games. Hey, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

You good, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You owe Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But it's got this guy at least put a little interest on it. Come on now. Ocho about to start back up and you still ain't paid. Man, that's violation, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Stay with me now. Stay with me, Joe, I promise you, when I come there for week one and we go to the Falcons game against Tampa Bay, boom, there it is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You gonna roll with us on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What happened?

[Joe Johnson]

Are you gonna go. You gonna go into the game?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What game?

[Joe Johnson]

One at the Falcons.

[Chad Ochocinco]

In the.

[Joe Johnson]

No, in the Bucks.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oo, man, I can't be going to no games, man. I don't. Look, I like watching the game. I get better enjoyment watching.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He said we got a little bit, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Man, we can work, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, we gotta work.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man, I'm bougie as hell, man. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe, we'll go to the game. I can get. I can get a sideline passing. Joe, we'll get sideline passes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe can't stand on the damn sideline with that bum ass.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What you mean?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe, you just had surgery. You in a. You in a. You non weight bearing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

First six weeks, I gotta wear this little splint on my. On my leg. But once I got September.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly. You do.

[Joe Johnson]

September. September.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right now I'm gonna be getting up out this splint and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boo Weed. Guess what? You do realize when you're on the sidelines, you got a dog.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You want me to stay home? Just tell me to stay home. Hey, hey. All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I want you to get your ass up and get your ass up in the sweep.

[Joe Johnson]

No, I'm talking about in pregame, Joe. I'm gonna push in the wheelchair on the sideline.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You think I'm gonna go in there like. No, no, no.

[Joe Johnson]

Now you go. You know, you could be cool in the wheelchair.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now, if I gotta go anywhere in a wheelchair, I might well stay home. I ain't doing it. I'm sorry.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wow. Hold on. There's a report DMS have leaked showing former Memphis DB Taj Rail allegedly send the USTA's quarterback, Owen McCown, their team's playbook for their game and you think that's real?

[Joe Johnson]

That's AI, you know, man. Technology.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Here you go, though. That's all the signals. Far left is coverages. I've seen you a better list showing the calls, but when they run quarters and none of the safeties can throw between no in reroutes and slot, blah, blah, blah, usta. I think that's universal. Texas, San Antonio ending up winning the game 24 to 36.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What do you boy got going on, man?

[Joe Johnson]

You think that's real though? Is. Has this been confirmed? Allegedly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, allegedly. I don't know. Because. Because if this was real, it would. It would have made a lot more noise and caught a lot more traction.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know if it's. I mean, we have to see when it got released because maybe nobody knew about it.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know what's going on ecast today, man. These cats, man, they having a.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, they having a good time out here, Ocho. Hey, these boys in college, living their best life, man. Which I. Something.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you see the story about Malik Beasley? How he owed these 20 some thousand? I'm like, how much the man, if you owe a barber twenty something thousand dollars, you ain't paid this man since you was a kid all the way to. Now, this man don't cut your hair for 30 years for free.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Besides, cut hair too. Ain't no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, man. I'm like, come on, bro, Look, I mean, normally you fly the guy. I don't know how you guys do it, but the way it works, like if you fly your barber out, you have to pay him for all the haircuts that he missed. So if he comes out, he was going to cut hair on Friday, he's going to cut hair on Saturday. You making him miss that, you got to compensate that man for that. That's what I did. I fly my barber out, I fly him in, I give him a rental car and all the haircuts, all the money that he would have made cutting hair, I compensated for that. Massage therapist. It's the same thing. So I don't know. You can't fly a barber out and say, okay, bro, here's a hundred dollars or here's $300. Oh, you have to pay him for the cuts that he lost out on Friday inside.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's right. Even. Even if you even buying his flight. Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. And you got, you put. You put him up. I mean, Joe stayed, you know, Joe stayed at the house. But when I was in Baltimore, I would fly him in yeah, he's from Harrisburg. Joe would come in, he cut my hair like September, like September 1st of October. We started losing. I said, I said, and you bad. Look, you can come in, but you ain't cutting my hair no more. I got him a rental car. He go, he go see his, he go to Harrisburg. Yeah, like a 40 minute drive. I see him at the game, he up out of there. But I, but 28, I don't know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't know how you get up to that number.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know. Yeah, I don't either. I don't either. Joke. I don't either. Yeah, yeah, these guys be. I don't know what these guys on, man. Man, listen, that's a, that's a lot of bread. 28, 000 for haircuts.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's why I say he gotta do something more than cut hair.

[Joe Johnson]

I, I, I can't relate, you know, I cut my own hair. I got my t line of clippers. I got my t line of clippers I've had for years. And whenever I got to go somewhere, I just cut it myself, man. Matter of fact, I need a haircut right now. I gotta, I gotta shoot in New York tomorrow. I gotta shoot in New York tomorrow, all the way to Monday, you know, take care of my business. I'm shave up, do some stuff. Man United. I'm going to watch Man United play. I'm doing some stuff with ESPN on Monday, you know, so, you know, I'm gonna be on ESPs. I'm gonna get my makeup, get my hairline together, do that. What not so, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, like I said, I don't know if there's any truth for this, but if it, I mean, it's gonna come out. But guys, you're gonna get pinged if you, if you're an athlete and they, they like, hold on this guy. Somebody keep betting the under or somebody keep betting this. There's a pattern to this. Ocho and you Ocho, but you making 16, you making 7, 8, $10 million. Come on, man. Y' all willing to risk that gambling? Y' all know how gam you, y' all know. Yeah, that's taboo. Oo in sports, you could do a lot of things, but you can't. You, you, you can't, you can't do that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, listen, everybody has advice and a lot of players have a vice when it comes to gambling. I'm not sure what a lot of players have a advice when it comes drinking. I'm not sure if that's Advice or considered advice. But anytime it gets in the way of what you do. And it gets in the way, yes, absolutely. It's harmful. I don't see how. I don't see how gambling could be that exciting. When you made such. When you make such an abnormal amount of money to where the small amounts you make gambling. It wouldn't be that fun. How is it even that. That fun? But I. I don't know. It's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I get game. I get game. You playing poker, you playing blackjack. A million dollars a hand. So in 30 seconds, boom, I won a million dollars.

[Joe Johnson]

Time out. Who the hell playing blackjack with a million dollars a hand?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Other people. That people play. 250, 500, 000. Yeah, they're called whales.

[Joe Johnson]

Like. Like a video game about real life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Real life. But they got video game poker too.

[Joe Johnson]

Ain't nobody paying no, man. Come on. Come on now. Come on now. Yeah, come on, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm talking about in the back room back then. They playing back then.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, for sure. Oh, yeah. The big whales come in there. Big.

[Unknown]

Who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

They'll. They'll mess up your quarterly earnings. Baccarat. Yeah. Poker. They come in there. Oh yeah, because it's the excitement, it's the thrill of it. It's like skydiving. It's like, it's. It's like, you know, racing cars or something like that. You get an adrenaline rush.

[Joe Johnson]

Where is the goddamn excitement and adrenaline rushing, losing a million to 500, 000 in one hand.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But what if you win a million dollars?

[Joe Johnson]

500,000. Who got the goddamn money?

[Chad Ochocinco]

All right, come on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right.

[Joe Johnson]

That ain't my business, boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They got plenty of people got money like that. There used to be a place out there on Binion's. Binion was the only place that I've ever heard that your first bet could be it. So if you come in there and says, I want to bet a million dollars on the crab table, on the blackjack table, he would accept it. Hey, you ought to go, you ought to go to Vegas and let them tell you the story about a dude named Arnie. There's a dude named Arnie and he had. Arnie.

[Joe Johnson]

Arnie Ornstein.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, not Ornie. His name was Arnie. He's a. He was an immigrant. But anyway, he had, he was up on the horseshoe, probably 30, $40 million, huh? They had. They had to go to his room to get five thousand and twenty five hundred dollar chips because he had them all. He wasn't satisfied. He said, I want all the money. He Lost it all back. Feel like he was up like 30, 40 million.

[Joe Johnson]

Dead ass.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. The story is.

[Joe Johnson]

And he lost it all back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Lost it all back.

[Joe Johnson]

Where he at? Where he at?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You'd been hot tailing up out of there when you are.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

High telling. I wouldn't have been there taking that goddamn chance. Because if you got the money to be able to bet that. What the. I'm doing it in the first place.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yo, that. If you see like you do like your excitement, you say you like riding bulls and you like doing things for excitement. There you go. See?

[Joe Johnson]

Matter of fact. Hey, do me a favor. If what Somebody gonna see this? For those of you that are whales, if you see this, could you please send me a dm? I would love just, Just to sit there and watch. I. That, that's exciting to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You might be bad luck.

[Joe Johnson]

Why would I be bad luck? Everything I touch turns to gold. Well, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Larry Flint used to bet like.

[Joe Johnson]

Larry, who was Larry Flynn?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Used to be. What was it, Penthouse or Hustle?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, I know you talk about. Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, okay, I know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's about Carrie Packard, the Australian billionaire.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They probably. They doing it for fun, man. They, I mean, they gonna, they want to win a little bit, but they don't mind losing a few, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see Drake. May you see drake be betting $3,500,000,000 on stuff. Floyd Mayweather.

[Joe Johnson]

I've heard the Jordan stories, but Jordan, his, his. The revenue, the, his stream of income is different.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's. He, he.

[Joe Johnson]

He can, he can stand a little.

[Shannon Sharpe]

These guys that's betting, they got way more. The guys that's be betting like this, they got more money than Jordan.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, it's the thrill, man. The thrill. They get a three.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they do. Yeah, that ain't me. No, I stopped. I used to go out there, you know, I go out there, bet, you know, I'll bet, you know, hey, I'm like, hey, Shannon in the NFL. Shannon got kids in private school. Shannon got kids going to college. That's college point.

[Joe Johnson]

Just go, hey, listen, I. Listen, I'm. I'm putting out a psa. If you are well, and you, you gamble. I would love. I would. I just, I just want to see it. I just want to be there. Obviously, you know, I don't know, you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Know, who, you know, who gambles like that, gambles like 75, 100, $150,000 a hand. Dana White.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that. See, I'm not trying to see that. Huh? I ain't trying to See that? I'm trying to see the people that gamble 500,000 to a million dollars a hand. I want to see. I want to see that in person.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They. A lot of times they. They like. They don't want people to know because they don't want nobody. The casino, to get them.

[Joe Johnson]

What you mean, get them? Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I fly. So I fly you in on a private jet. I pick you up, bring you in. Because I don't. If you got that kind of money, I don't want the other casinos to know you.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't want. I don't want nobody to know who you are. That's. That's. That's.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn. They wrote a real.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, speaking of gambling. Speaking of gambling. I mean, obviously I don't do it, but this movie was phenomenal. This movie was very, very good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What round Gambler?

[Joe Johnson]

Please tell me you saw the gambler. We had to keep going to the shark. And I think he went to his mama for last 50 thou. I think her last 250,000. She said, this is the last 250,000 I'm gonna give you. He got beat up by the shark. Michael K. Mike K. Williams was in it. Yo, Mike. Oh, man, that movie was good. Mob World. And that was like. The people in the real world can't be like this. That's impossible. Yeah, you lost money, then you go. You go borrow money again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's how you. That's how you get in debt to the shark. That's how you get in debt to the. To the. To the. To the. To the.

[Joe Johnson]

Man, I want no part. Oh, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You remember the movie?

[Joe Johnson]

I never saw that one. I never saw that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, man. Matt Damon, he played. And Ed Norton.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You gotta watch that.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, Edward Norton was in it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ed Norden? Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Edward Norton. The one from Primal Fear with Richard Gear.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

He can act. Boy, he can act. I like him. I gotta wait. Rounders.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rounders. It's real good.

[Joe Johnson]

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Get started risk [e-mail] iheartra Dwayne Wade says Kobe is a top three player of all time and goes off on Bleacher Report for ranking him 11th on their all time list. If you ask us Hooper who played against Kobe, all of us are going to talk Top three of all time.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I agree.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, so what about the guys that played against Kareem? Where are we gonna rank Kareem? All the guys that play all the guys that played against Jordan somebody. So I'm not saying Kobe should be 11th. I'm not. Look, whatever the case may be, but you See what Jordan. You see with Jordan. Jordan got number one. And I think the lowest he ranked was like, two or three. LeBron. The highest he ranked was two. Maybe the lowest he ranked was, like, three. So for the most part, people have been having Jordan going back and forth. Okay. Wherever you go, I. Look, you can debate this until the cows come home, but. And I've said this, Joe. The guy that gets undervalued the most is Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I agree. Because he had.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He had the. He had the scoring record for the longest.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Had it for 40 years until LeBron broke it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What do you got? He had it for almost 40 years. Nobody thought. They didn't think. Nobody. First of all, big guys played that long. Because after you get to a certain point, hey, Kareem. Hey, Kareem. Get the rebound and kick it out. Hey, Magic will hold that thing up. Let Kareem get down there to the block. Kareem, throw that hand up. They throw it to him. He throw the sky hook, go back down. Nobody thought anybody was gonna break it, because even when Carl Malone got close, Carmelo Body fell apart. Kobe. Kobe started falling apart. Jordan started. Body started breaking down. So, like, ain't nobody gonna break it. They think nobody could break it. But he got six MVPs. Six. He got more than anybody. And back then, the la. That was the last year that the players were allowed to vote. The players, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They don't let it. They don't let it happen no more.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. Because in 62. Was it 62, I think. No, no, no, no.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't understand. I don't understand why. Why the players can't vote. They think it's favoritism.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't think they'll keep it real, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nope. They not. Because of my friend, my buddy. That's how it was for the Pro Bowl. Hey, my man. Hey, such and such. Hey, man, make sure you vote for such and such. No, y' all ain't gonna keep it real. Let's be real. We got friends and they on the ballot. I'm gonna vote for him. Hey. Plus, he had a contract here knowing that if he makes first or second team, all NBA, guess what he gets. He gets a Superman.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But then here's the thing. Then we leave it in the hands of people who've never played the sport before. And now. And now you're still gonna have a drawback from that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You. You're not go. Yeah. You're not gonna. You're not gonna be able to appease Everybody. Somebody gonna have. Somebody gonna be upset. What you say. So let me ask you this, Joe. You played the game. Where were you ranked from?

[Chad Ochocinco]

All those guys?

[Shannon Sharpe]

So you got him in the top. You got him in the top five.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I was thinking more like two garnish. I didn't know he was talking about, like, the whole league.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, because they see, they didn't write. They didn't rank position. They ranked the top. What was it? The top 25 to top 100. Ash, can you pop the list up? Right. Okay, here it is. There was a top 100. Number one was Michael Jordan. Number two was LeBron James. Number three was Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Number four was Magic Johnson. Number five was Shaquille O'. Neal. Number seven is Tim Duncan. Number 11 is Larry Bird. Number nine is Wilt Chamberlain. Number 10 is Stephen Curry. Number 11 was Kobe Bryant.

[Joe Johnson]

But that's tough.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't know. I gotta. I'm gonna have to put him in that top 10. I don't know who I'm taking out.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But see, that's the thing. What's that? Yep. What is that?

[Joe Johnson]

You can see that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's blurry.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What is it?

[Joe Johnson]

Me and Kobe sitting there arguing. That News Cafe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Would you take. When you. Who. Who you taking out? You taking out Jordan. You taking out LeBron, Kareem, Magic, Russell, Shaq, Duncan, Bird, Will Curry. Because I guarantee you guys that played against Magic Johnson say Magic Johnson coming out of the top five guys that played against Shaq. Tim Duncan is very underrated. Very underrated. Larry Bird, I mean, what we doing will average. What did. We'll average? He won MVP as a rookie.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's who underrated.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like 40 and 27. Who go get 24.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Man, nobody getting that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The numbers he put up were.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You might as well just. You might as well just take. You might as well just start over. Say, you know what? We want somebody to really realistically have a chance of getting rebounds. And so. Because you're not going to get it, but even if you did that, ain't nobody going to catch Kareem. Ain't nobody gonna care. Ain't no. There ain't no rebounders. First of all, the guys shoot too well now. They don't miss that many shots in order for you to get the. Will got the record with 55 rebounds in a game. Nobody getting 55 rebounds in a game. I can't remember. I can't remember. I don't know if anybody. I can't. I think the most rebounds. I think Somebody's gotten that I can remember is probably 34, 35. So just think, you still 15 rebounds short, so you're not going to get that. The question is, if we put Kobe in the top 10, who we take it out?

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's a good question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because if you. If you look. If you look at it, if you look at. Let's. Let's be real. Only two guys. Only one guy in the top 10 got one regular season MVP. That's Shaq. But he got three postseason MVPs. Mike got five, Jordan got four, Kareem's got six, Magic's got three, Russell's got five, Duncan's got three. Duncan's got two MVPs, I think two with regular season. Bird got three, Wilt has four, Steph Curry has two. Okay, Finals MVPs. Jordan has six, LeBron has four, Kareem has two, Magic has three. They didn't have that with Russell. Shaq has three, Duncan has three, Bird has two. They didn't have that. They had. I think Wilt had a chance to get it once, so. And Curry has one Finals mvp. It's tougher than you think. It really is. Because it can't just be about scoring. It's got to be about All Star games, finals, finals, MVPs, regular season MVPs, all NBAs. I think all that has to factor in. So what? So let's just say, for the sake of argument, we're gonna put him in it. We're gonna put him in the top 11. Are we kicking Steph out? Are we kicking Wield out? We kicking Larry out? We kicking Duncan, Shaq, Russell, Magic.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I gotta get Bean in there some way, somehow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you gotta take somebody out. It's okay if you take LeBron, if Jordan, Kareem, Magic, we gonna get him in, but we ain't gonna get him in. That was expense. Chad. Who y' all want out? Who are we kicking out? Who we kick it out to? Get Kobe in the. I just think. I think it's hard. I think it's hard.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Damn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Errors, errors. Makes it difficult because people like, well, I can't take Bill Russell. Like, he got 11 championships. He got 11 championships and five MVPs. Shaq was as dominant as anybody that ever played the game. Tim Duncan, 2 and 3 a 15 time. All in all, defensive selection. Bird was the last guy to win three consecutive MVPs. Wilt won four, Stephanie got two.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's a hell of a class.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Chad is saying, take step five to.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Put Kobe in there.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I don't I don't understand why Kobe Bryant is getting so much disrespect with all these lists with him being.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What's disrespect? What's disrespectful?

[Joe Johnson]

Ojo, the only the people that actually played against Kobe actually have him much higher than those that didn't play against him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But here's the thing. A lot of this happened when Kobe passed. Because I remember the number when Kobe was alive. People saying he was a ball hog and he was selfish. Them very people that said he was a ball hog and selfish, they praised and Lottie, they praised and lauded him in depth when they didn't give him that praise and adulation when he was alive.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. They say Kobe is top three. So, D. Wade, who are you taking out of the top three? You taking Jordan, LeBron or Kareem out? Because you said he's top three. That's what I need to know.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen, knowing D. Wade, just based off he would probably take. He would probably take Kareem out, the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man that was the all time leading.

[Joe Johnson]

Score, despite exactly what you're getting ready.

[Shannon Sharpe]

To say, yes, with six MVPs, yes, with five championships, yes, the all time lead scorer.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He ain't taking them out. Ojo, you don't think so?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You take it. You take a LeBron out. Four regular season MVPs, four finals MVPs. 21 time all star. 21. No. 21 time all star. 21 time all NBA selection.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Three, five, three finals, three all star game MVPs. You taking Jordan now. Okay, so I just want to know. D. Wade said he's top three. I just want to know who he's taking out of the top three to put Kobe in.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm gonna have to ask D. Wade that. I don't know. I'm having a hard time. I'm having a hard time getting him in there. Top three.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, you know what? I'm. I'm gonna. I'm gonna ask him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because. Because the way you do it, like, okay, such and such should have made it because you, y' all, do you do this up Joe. Such and such should have made the All Star game. Okay, If I take the All Star team, if I take. If I put him in, who am I taking out? Ocho. We do this all the time with the Pro Bowl. Should have made it. I said, well, Ocho, who you taking out? I get it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it gets. It gets tough.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So that. So Forget the top 10. D. Wade didn't say he should have been top 10 D. Wade said he should have been top three. So with that being said, that means Jordan, Lebron or Kareem has to come out. There's no way other around it because you can't have. I don't think that maybe they did a little later down, but nobody would. They had, you know, okay, two guys at number four or two guys at number 12 or 13. Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Kareem Abdul. He probably gonna one of.

[Joe Johnson]

Again. I'm telling you who he's taking out. You know he ain't taking out Jordan. You know, he ain't taking out LeBron.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He taking out Cap.

[Joe Johnson]

Going to take out Kareem. Despite all the accolades that you just ran down, I guarantee.

[Shannon Sharpe]

People don't realize how good Kareem was. He was gonna win the third MVP had he not messed his ankle up. Because go back and look at the numbers. When Magic won the Finals MVP. Go back and look at Kareem's numbers.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Baller.

[Shannon Sharpe]

33 and 14. That's what he was averaging. Yeah, Kareem had some years where he was 32 and 16. Y', all. Like I said, just go back and look at Kareem's career. Look, I understand a lot of people didn't like Kareem. A lot of people didn't like that he changed his name because he wasn't originally Kareem Abdul Jabbar. He was a very surly. He didn't get along with a lot. Kareem ain't take no junk. Go back. You did something to Kareem. Kareem was punching you in your face. It was really that simple. He rubbed a lot of report. That's why he didn't get no job. That's why he get no head coaching job. Think about all the grace that wanted to coach, got an opportunity to coach. Bill Russell, Sam Jones, Jerry West, Casey Jones, Tom Heinson. There were a lot of greats. Elgin Baylor, a lot of the greats that wanted to. Kareem never got that opportunity. Larry Bird, Magic Johnson.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He was a bad boy, man. Hey, he probably had the one the media didn't like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The media. The players loved him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The players loved it. Because you know how I know the player loved the Mocho. They voted him six times mvp.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But that's what I I D Wade, the Nightcap crew, my Ocho Joe and myself. You said Kobe is top three. I need to know who you're taking out of that top three. That's it. Somebody's got to come out. You go, you, you can't have four guys in the top three.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm gonna tell you now, MJ made the game sexy. He ain't taking MJ out of there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay?

[Chad Ochocinco]

M. You know he ain't taking Brian out of there. That man, every. Every bucket he score is in history books. Like, everything.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He just. He got a joe, he got a cake, and he done got ice on it. And all he do is just keep.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Every time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Every time he touched the flow. Yeah. He said, hey, he gonna be making it. He making it harder and harder for the next person who even think they gonna catch him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Whoop.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In the All Star Games. Do you realize the man got 21 straight start. All Star Game starts.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's not gonna happen, ladies and gentlemen. No, sir.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And Kareem got 19 starts in the All Star Game. Shaq has some words for Rudy Gobert. Let's take a listen to what Shaq had to say about Rudy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hate Rudy Gobert.

[Unknown]

Why don't you like Rudy250?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You don't deserve it, though. As the president of the Big man alliance. You making big money. Play like a big man, right? That's it. Play like a big man. Throw some bowls, knock some people out. Don't be letting little white dudes from Denver dunk on you and talk to you. Then you gotta grab them by the neck of the last second.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Come on, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's it. If you're gonna get paid big money, play big.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just want Shaq to still be on TV when Rudy gets into the hall of Fame. Because it's gonna.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If Rudy Gobert gets into the hall of Fame, get to the whole hall of Fame. I'll wear this dress to the ceremony.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get ready.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. Hey, look.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Get ready.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, look. I think with Shaq, because Rudy's not an offensive guy, meaning he ain't shooting the ball outside the paint. So, hey, they ain't never gonna get rooted. No credit on that. He is a defensive B.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, timing is everything, man. You know, he came along at the right time. But if you looking for him to offensively wow you when you think he got. Has a mismatch, I think that's kind of like what Shaq thinking. He like, man, he ain't dominating the game like you getting paid 200 something million. You can't dominate.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Shaq. Like, Shaq was going up two people, three people. If you didn't have at least three people on Shaq, it wasn't even fair. Every team that Shaq played against, they had three bigs. They had 18 fouls to give to Ocho. Yeah. Cause two guys, or they gonna have 10, five.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh. So I came in at 01. That was Shackneck. Shaq was still in, like, the prime of him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That was the apex. Shack 2000. 1, 2, 3.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you can give it up, brother. We're gonna try to give you as much help as we can. You got to fight him. Yeah. It was. It was unreal to try to stop that dude. He was so huge and agile. I was like, it was unreal, bro. It was unreal.

[Joe Johnson]

All right. That's funny.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Check. Shaq ain't gonna let it go. And. And the thing is, though, here's the problem that you run into Deserve. I mean, deserve is a very, very tricky word.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Because sometimes we get God's mercy and grace when we don't deserve it. I look at it like this.

[Joe Johnson]

My notepad, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rudy's earned the money. Based on what they pay his body of work, he's earned a hundred million, two hundred million, whatever they pay him. Shaq ain't no Shaq. If you waiting on somebody to be like you, you never gonna see it with your own eyes in your lifetime.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, analytically, when they. When they look at it from that point of view, he dominates the game. You know what I mean? I mean, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So they looking at it from a different perspective nowadays. But I. I. Yes, I kind of. I kind of understand what Shaq is talking about, but Rudy's just not an offensive guy, bro. He can't. He ain't scoring outside that paint, period.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know what it is, Joe? And it looks worse in this era because the scoring is up. Yeah. See, if he was back in Shaq's era. Yeah, he'd been perfect.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cause they never say anything about Rick Smith. They didn't say anything. They didn't say anything about Dwight Howard. That and. But Dwight had some years where he was 20. He averaged 20 points and 1214 rebounds. So Dwight Howard was always more of an offensive threat than Rudy Gobert. But you look at Ben Wallace, so he's looking at it. In today's time, when you got four or five guys average of 30, and you got 15, 20, 30, 20 guys averaging 20. And Shaq, like, bro, you seven, three. You seven, one, seven three. And, bro, you giving 12 points a game. And so shaggy. Look at it like, bro, for 250. If they did, Shaq's looking at it. Shaq said, they had played me 250. I gave 40.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Absolutely. Absolutely. That's not Shaq's thinking, hey, y' all don't think the. Hey, these guys look at these contracts and the money that these dudes making nowadays. If y' all don't think they look at it and kind of frowned upon it. Some of them, they can't help it because you can only put yourself in that position. Like, man, if I was around this time, I'll be making X amount of. You know what I mean? Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. But what you think, what you think Will and Mr. Russell was thinking when they making $20,000 a year and they see guys making 17, 18 million a year? The same thing. I mean, look, I'm looking at these guys now. We talked about George kittle, he's making 19 million. Ozzy and Kellen and, and, and, and Mike Dicker and, and, and, and John Mackey. They looking at me when I was making, when I was making the money I was making. And guess what? In 10 years from now, they're gonna be a guy making $100 million a year in basketball. A Hyundai. Yeah, because they say Ant man could possibly be making 82 million in 2027 season. 27, 28. Ant man could possibly get the highest contract. 82 million a year. A million dollars a game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, man. Hey, hey, man, we, we have to pay respects to the people who came before us because, man, yes. Hey, the money these dudes making now, boy, hey, it's ridiculous.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Shaq also bet Mike Tyson that Klay Thompson's new relationship with Meg thee Stallion won't last more than six weeks. Man, she watched Shaq, man, like this.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, man, just give his opinion, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Clay out there in the gym, they going golfing, they doing all kind of stuff.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I'm happy for him, Clay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Living his best life, man. Stay young.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, that's what. Yeah, that's it.

[Unknown]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I think it's, I think it's different now. I think with social media do I think like athletes dated like celebs and entertainers? Sure. But they kept it hush, hush.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wasn't no. Now you can get a picture anywhere now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now I think now Joe and oo it's hey, you cross or, or you an athlete or something. You want to date a Meg the Stallion or you want to date a Glorilla or you want to date, you know, whomever. I don't want to throw nobody name out there because, you know, see somebody trying to be messy. So. But I'm just saying if you were an athlete and you're. Saul's garden is dating somebody, he dating somebody. Was.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think so.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. So in a situation you go out to eat, you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Y' all might just be in the. As my grandma say, the coding phase, y'. All. You don't know. You know what I mean? You can't do nothing nowadays, Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, nah, nah, nah. But listen, if you want to hide, it's. Hiding is possible. If you really want to hide.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but. But see, but here's the thing, Ocho. A lot of people like what you hiding me from. Do you got something that you don't. You tried me. You don't want people to know about me. You got somebody over here.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Man, I know. Just like they privacy, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They do. Everybody don't want to be like you out there like that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yo, dead serious, bro. Some people really like to chill, bro. They don't really be in there for the. For the. For the hooping and Holland, bro. For real.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Okay. All right. I'm gonna let y' all go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

This bad. Be over this, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So you mean. Tell me nowadays, when people date, if I ain't got you, if. If I ain't got you splattered all over my.

[Joe Johnson]

Even if you are splatter, all those profile ain't stopping changing. That we're not gonna do is sit on here and act like, come on now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, Ocho, I'm not saying that that doesn't happen, but some people like their privacy. That's all. Everybody don't want to date publicly. Everybody don't want to be in a public relationship, because guess what? The minute everybody. Because the moment you make it public, you get everybody feel like they have the ability to chime in. And so if you break up, if you break up, if you date publicly, what you got to do, how you.

[Joe Johnson]

Break up, Ocho, probably.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But everybody don't like that, Ocho.

[Joe Johnson]

I like it. It don't bother me. I like it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. That's you.

[Joe Johnson]

I go through the same stuff that regular people. I'm regular, too, but we all go through the same. What am I hiding for?

[Chad Ochocinco]

They just deal with it internally.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Just like when you say, hey, some people breathe differently.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen, it is. It's good, though. If you date publicly, you break up publicly, then you have your supporters to help you cope. See? Boom. There you go. See? Why you want to break up? And then you sitting at home crying.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You ain't got to be doing all that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ain't got to do all that. And who's to say? Who's to say you're not doing that, even though you putting on that front, right.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know. I don't do. I don't do no crying. I'm just saying I don't like. I don't like your tone towards me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No. I'm just saying just because you out there, you said a lot of times people be doing things publicly and privately, they broke, they unhappy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Oh, no, that's all right, man. Nobody looking at you. No damn. No damn way.

[Joe Johnson]

Just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying I think everybody should stop hiding. If they stop hiding and, you know, you do everything publicly, then you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

You know exactly what you're getting yourself into.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There's. That's why they're two different words, private and public. Because if everybody wanted to do what they wouldn't need, they wouldn't need a problem.

[Joe Johnson]

Most of the time they want to be private.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So.

[Joe Johnson]

And keep everything else they got going on nice and hush. Hush.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And just because you public. And just because you public, that don't mean you do you. You. You still doing that?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you're right. You're right. All depending on. All depending on who you are.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let's get out of here on this one. Now it's time for our final segment of the evening. Now it's time for Q and A. Man, don't you want some bull job?

[Joe Johnson]

Just living.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jay Breezy say so. Glad to have our own big three back. We missed you. ISO. We wish you a super fast recovery. Guys, what match are you most excited to. To come this NFL seated? It's season. Oh, out the gate you got what you call them? You got Baltimore Buffalo out the gate.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, we got Cowboys got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, the Cowboys got. I think. I think the Cowboys opened up with Dallas.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What do you mean we open up with Dallas Cowboys open up with who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Eagles. I think that's. I think that's.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's what I'm looking forward to, man. I'm looking for these boys to get off to a great start. You hear me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Y' all catch that? Come on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on now. You gotta chill.

[Shannon Sharpe]

In Philly. They. Whoever win the super bowl opened up at home.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They gonna put foot.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, look, that's really a good time to go in there and pop them too. Why they. While they celebrating? They got a lot going on that week. Probably got family all the time. Might as well come there and thump them. It might be a good game to get.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no. So who do Eagles open up with? As you say, the Cowboys at the Eagles on Sunday night Football. But they open up Thursday night. So who do Eagles open up with? Yeah, it's Thursday, Joe. It's Thursday.

[Joe Johnson]

Who they open up with?

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Cowboys at the Eagle on Thursday night.

[Joe Johnson]

That's gonna be a big game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then you got. That's gonna be. That's gonna be. That's gonna do a monster number. Yeah, a monster. Boy. Boy. I know. Hey, I know. Fox like, oh, Lord have mercy. How y' all get that game? How we get that?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Y' all been something.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then. Hold on. Do. Do Buffalo do. Is Buffalo at. At the Ravens? At Buffalo. Is that Sunday night or is that a. A CBS game? I know they ain't going to get a cow. Get NBC, the Cowboys, Eagle and Baltimore Buffalo. Oh, my gosh.

[Joe Johnson]

Back to. Back to back.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I think. I think now, Ocho, they'll flex. They'll flex Thursday night games late in the season because, you know, they flexed Sunday night games. Oh, I think now they have the ability to flex Thursday.

[Joe Johnson]

You know what I just thought about?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What?

[Joe Johnson]

Remember I asked you that idea. What could I can do for our age group, like streaming wise?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You trying to be a streamer?

[Joe Johnson]

Like. Nah, I already. I already stream. I already stream anyway. I mean, that's playing video games. I'm talking about, like, moving, like, moving around. What if I go to all the games? Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead.

[Joe Johnson]

You gonna come with me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no. I want to critique. I like to critiquing. Hold on.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna critique, too.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, you. It's hard to watch all the games when you add a. When you at a stadium, it's virtually impossible because people talking to you, they want to know what you think, but you do what you feel you need to do. Oh, they got a Friday game, too. The Chiefs played the Chargers on YouTube. So they got a Thursday, a Friday, and then they Sunday. Wow. Who the Monday night game? The Monday night Minnesota at Chicago.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Them Cowboys ain't gonna play no games this year, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's all y' all do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We're gonna get. We finna get. Michael took in care of. He just need to. Hold on, Mike.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, nah. They already told y' all to talk about the. Hey, just because we signed it up, Jared said we don't mean.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Y' all know that man gonna be paid for game one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know nothing.

[Joe Johnson]

He ain't even practicing, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, he ain't even practiced, okay?

[Joe Johnson]

No, it ain't okay because he gonna go from 0 to 100 miles an hour without practice. That's the problem.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, Nick Mars says I Love oo. But the fact that unc brought your high school jersey just to make you mad gives him nightcap trash talk. Championship. Yeah, send him his jersey. After I bought the jersey, Joe, he told my send me. Send him his jersey.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't even.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I bought those.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know where you. Where you bought them from.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It doesn't matter. They're mine. I purchased them.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay, well, can I have them?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I bought them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He got a signature on them up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, it's his high school jerseys.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He at least got to sign them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I want to say I want to die. I just like that. It's like having them cop. Saturday said at this point, Ocho owed the chat some money also. He. Does he owe y'? All. NATE San Fran SF said if we can name another top seven quarterback who threw for under 3, 000 yards and 20 touchdowns in a season but won the Super MVP, then Cam is wrong. If not, then he's correct. But the Super Bowl MVP is different. The super bowl MVP is the Super Bowl, Right? The regular season MVP is the regular season. They're two separate things.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Two separate things. I don't get through on the 3,000 yard. Name another top seven quarterback. I mean, if you go back in history. But they throwing the ball now. I mean, we can go back and forth on this. Jalen is doing what they asked to do. Go Said who wins A versus Beyonce versus Rihanna Between. Rihanna has more number one hits than Beyonce.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who wins versus.

[Joe Johnson]

That's not my area. That's not my area.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Expertise they need to bring Versus.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Dang. You don't think they're gonna bring it back?

[Joe Johnson]

There's no reason to bring it back right now. I mean, it's too much. Too much other stuff going on. It was perfect because it was Covid. So everybody was locked in because we'll lock back in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If you get the right back, it's.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Gonna come back around.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I hope. Hope it ain't a covet or. Or another. Another something that get us locked in that we have to have it. No, man. Rihanna can't do no verses. She. She got a baby on the way.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Boy, that'll be a mean vibe, huh? Beyonce?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, Lord.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, good one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You say she got more number ones than Beyonce?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what he said. I don't know. We'd have to. We'd have to go to. Have to.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Look, there ain't no way they gonna let her lose no verses now. I'm telling y'. All. Letting her lose no verses, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. Man. What? What? What? Rihanna What? Rihanna fans. What they call. What they. Cause Nikki got the bars. Beyonce got the beehive.

[Joe Johnson]

The navy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Meg the stallion got what the city girls.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hot girls.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hot girls.

[Joe Johnson]

Rihanna. Some navy. I forgot.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who got something Navy?

[Joe Johnson]

Rihanna. Her fans. It was something navy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Chad. What? What? Rihanna What? Rihanna fans are called the Navy. Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Navy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jenny. Arville said, I just started dating a guy with a daughter. I met him and her at the barbecue my mom threw. Family friend brought them. She's a little darling.

[Chad Ochocinco]

How old is she? How old is his daughter?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Didn't say, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cause I have seen some situations.

[Joe Johnson]

Go left.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I think the thing is, is that you got to be you. You're not her mom. And I don't know if I don't think she. I don't. Maybe the child is not looking for a mom. So don't you go try to insert yourself into that role.

[Joe Johnson]

Wait, wait, wait. Well, give me that scenario one more time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Don't try to be that girl. Little girl's mom.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, it's a girl that. Dating a guy that has a daughter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what it said. I just started dating a guy with a daughter. Last I checked, a daughter is a female. Is a. Is a young. Is a female.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, but my question is, I don't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Want to be presumptuous.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Is she one? Is she, too? Because it's gonna, you know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Six. The daughter is six. Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, well, that's. That's easy there. I mean, hey, take a. Take it a. Build a bear. Go, you know, go do some stuff like that, y'. All. I mean, you know, hey, it's cool. Y' all can do some stuff together, right? You don't have to go. You have. Don't have to move too fast.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you mean, you don't know.

[Joe Johnson]

That's a little. That's a little need to talk to the mama first and make sure everything is cool.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You got chill now, you know?

[Joe Johnson]

Now you dating the dad now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's how I know. I. I get it.

[Joe Johnson]

But make sure it's okay with the mama to have. Have your child around somebody new. You don't. Don't do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let me ask you a question. Is she gonna come talk to me about having my. Having my daughter around some guy?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. You real quiet on that one, huh? Okay. Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

See this? See, it's a reason why I never had no problem. Now. Now you need to check all the boxes for you get to dating other people. And have them around other people. Child. Now, you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't. I don't remember. I don't remember anybody running anything about me running by anything by me. And they got married.

[Joe Johnson]

They ain't running by you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They didn't tell me they were getting married. They didn't tell me they were dating. No, I'm cool with it. I'm gonna try. I'm gonna trust your judgment just like I asked you to trust mine.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'll never go. Because at the end of the day, although we're co parenting, right, I still have the vested interest in that child just as much as you do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. We only. Did I let. Hey, listen, I'm talking to so and so now, even though we're not together, but, you know, we on the same page now. Now we know we align with the same mindset for the betterment of the child. But I'm over here, so when I want my baby with me, I need you to meet her. I need y' all to talk, be on the same page, so when I move, my child can move too, and this individual that I'm dating don't have to be going elsewhere. You see what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I get it. Yeah, that's great. I mean, look, I, I. Look, I was very fortunate for the most part. They were very cooperative. I would send my girlfriend down because back then, she would fly to Atlanta, get key when it came to, you know, Super Bowl. She handled all that. Take him to. Take him to SeaWorld and take him, do all that stuff. So, yeah, hey, listen, I love, I.

[Joe Johnson]

Love, I love, I love, I love stuff like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ed, to rain witness your presence in Baltimore. Number 82. Don't. Don't ever take no prisoners. You are the real deal. Appreciate that, Earl. Quentin May says, since y' all all retired, how do you know when players are ready to make their moves?

[Chad Ochocinco]

What you mean retirement move? Man, I think, you know, we, we, we. We all love playing the game, but once you see you can't, you can. For me, it's like if I can't move or do the things that I'm accustomed to doing on the court, then I don't want to play. I don't want. I'm cool. That's. And that happened with a lot of guys, whether it's due to injury or whether it's just, you know, a lack of just working out. But as you get older, it's harder, man. It's a lot harder to play and compete as you age, because, man, you have to. You have to be so serious about working out, man. That's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is for me, Joe Ocho. I just realized I wasn't gonna be able to do. I wasn't gonna be able to do anything else that was gonna change somebody's perception of me, right? Catching another touchdown, going to another Pro bowl, being another All Pro. People had already made their mind up. They had saw me for 14 years. So what could I do to change the perception of what you thought of me or what I was or wasn't? Nothing. And then, plus, I wasn't the same anymore. I wasn't the same. I wasn't. Yeah, I could. I could catch. I could catch 60, 70 balls and get you 800 yards, but it wasn't the same. I didn't have. I couldn't. I couldn't dominate my yards. Didn't mean the same. It used to be If I got 100 yards, we won the game one automatic because I had that kind of impact, that kind of influence on the game.

[Joe Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Didn't, didn't, didn't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Man, I love it. And then, you know, I still, ain't gonna lie to you, I still enjoy training. I still, I still enjoy getting up shots by myself. It's all therapeutic for me. Like, I still, I still enjoy that fact that. That part of it. So even if I wasn't able to compete at a high level, I was still for sure be playing the game. Like, I would still be out there shooting or getting just. Just part of who I am at this point.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. Thank you for joining us. I am your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp. My partner, co host, Liberty City's own being a ring of famer. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson and the other co host, ISO Joe, University of Arkansas alum, all star, Big three mvp. That's ISO Joe Johnson. Joe, thank you for.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Glad to have you back, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Glad to be back. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And guys, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed, wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you guys for tuning in tonight. Thank you guys for tuning in every night that you tune in. Because thanks to you, we're able to do what we do. All the success that we've been able to enjoy is because of you. And we want to thank each and every one of you for your eyes, ears, and your word of mouth. We can't thank you enough here at Nightcap. Please make sure you check out Shay by La Portier we have it in stock. If you can't find it in a city or state near you ordered online, we'll ship it directly to your door. The best tasting Premium VSOP Cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. Make sure you follow my media company page on all of his platforms. Shay Shay Media and my clothing company 84. With 84 being spelled out, that link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited and once they're gone, they're gone. So please grab yours while supplies last. We want to thank Kyle Pitts for joining us tonight. Want to mention I want to wish him help and continue success. And like I said bro, when you get that 200 yard game come back and join us here on Nightcap. I'm up. He's Ocho, he's ISO Joe. We'll see you on Sunday. Sunday, Sunday. Peace.

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