Nightcap Hour 2: Unc & Ocho react to Bill Belichick being PETTY & not letting Patriot Scouts at practice

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 2: Unc & Ocho React to Bill Belichick Being PETTY & Not Letting Patriot Scouts at Practice

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Host: Shannon Sharpe (with Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson, guest Julian Edelman)
Date: September 7, 2025
Episode Focus: Analysis and candid conversation about recent events in football, with a focus on college football recruiting in the NIL era and Bill Belichick's decision to bar Patriots scouts from UNC practice facilities.

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Episode Overview

This episode centers around two major stories:

• The shifting landscape of college football recruiting due to NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) deals, highlighting booster influence, conference dynamics, and program competitiveness.
• Bill Belichick's "petty" response to being let go by the New England Patriots, notably not allowing Patriots scouts at his current college practices, and an in-depth conversation about coaching loyalty and the realities of professional relationships in sports.

Shannon Sharpe and Chad Ochocinco Johnson deliver their signature mix of sharp analysis, humor, and personal anecdotes, moving fluidly between NFL and college football topics, punctuated by their banter and directness.

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Key Discussion Points & Timestamps

1. NIL Reshaping College Football Recruiting

[02:50 – 06:42] Shannon Sharpe, Chad Johnson react to Nick Saban’s comments

• Saban on NIL’s Impact: Sharpe recounts Nick Saban's statement that NIL deals are eroding the South's historic recruiting advantage, granting programs like Ohio State a level playing field.

  • Quote (Saban as paraphrased by Sharpe, 02:50):
    "Now it doesn't matter… kids grew up wanting to go to LSU, Alabama, Georgia… Now, they don't mind going to Ohio State. They don't mind going other places... That geographic advantage may be changing a bit now with NIL."

• Boosters Leveling the Playing Field: Ocho and Sharpe riff on how wealthy alumni inject cash and attract top talent.

  • Top programs like Texas A&M, Michigan, Texas, and the “oil barons” are cited as especially deep-pocketed.
  • Sharpe (04:00):
    “You gotta stick your hand way down… They got deep pockets down in Texas A&M and UT… them oil barons down there, they got real deep pockets.”

• Big Money = Big Changes: NIL enables young athletes to change their family’s prospects at 17 or 18 — a far cry from when Sharpe or Johnson played.

  • Sharpe (06:31):
    “Guys getting $4 million, $3 million… Can you imagine as a 17, 18-year-old? …Ocho, if I’d have got a thousand dollars!”
  • Ocho (06:46):
    “Give me five hundred!”

• Saudis in the Mix?: Ocho muses on how Saudi investment changed boxing and how it could impact college football if they took interest.

  • Ocho (04:56):
    “Could you imagine if the Saudis dip their hand in college football?”

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2. Changing Power Dynamics in Blue Blood Programs

[15:17 – 26:38] Oregon’s $40 Million Roster, Alabama’s Changed Recruiting Position, The Importance of Coaching Self-Awareness

• Oregon’s Spending and Motivational Ammo: Mike Gundy (OK State) accuses Oregon of assembling a $40M roster, only to get blown out 69–3.

  • Sharpe (15:17):
    “Oregon handing Oklahoma State a 69–3 loss, the worst in the Gundy era… Lanning said postgame, ‘it never requires extra motivation… but it never hurts when somebody pours gasoline on the fire.’”

• AJ McCarron: Alabama’s NIL Lagging: Alabama is now said to have less than $20M for NIL — half of what other bluebloods are spending.

  • Sharpe (15:58):
    “Alabama has less than $20 million in their NIL… you’re not going to have all those wide receivers lining up to come to Alabama, you’re not… not gonna have all those DBs lining up.”

• No More Waiting in Line: Players used to wait their turn at Alabama (or Ohio State); now they follow the money and playing time.

  • Ocho (17:16):
    “Not anymore. Wait, how much you got for me? $2 million? Where I’m playing at? Well, I ain’t never been over there, but there’s money here…”

• Coaches Want a Cap… Now: Sharpe points out the hypocrisy in universities and coaches seeking a NIL cap now, after decades of unregulated coach and university earnings.

  • Ocho (24:11):
    “Coaches… want to put a cap on NIL, but they didn’t want to put a cap on how much coaches can make… but now the players are getting some money, now they want to put a cap on it. Come on now.”

• OK State’s Money Trouble: With mega-booster T. Boone Pickens gone, the program struggles to keep up.

  • Sharpe (26:17):
    “I think the biggest booster who the stadium’s named after, T. Boone Pickens, passed away. So the money ain’t free flowing like it once did.”

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3. Bill Belichick and the Patriots: Petty or Principled?

[30:15 – 44:17] The Fallout, Access Wars, and Sharpe’s Perspective

• The Standoff: Belichick blocks Patriots scouts from UNC practices, returning the snub after his firing.

  • Sharpe (30:15): “Bill Belichick confirmed today … scouts from New England Patriots do not have access to the program. It's clear I'm not working at their facility, so they're not working with ours.”

• Is It Petty or Expected?

  • Ocho (31:48):
    “I like that level of petty. I like that.”
  • Sharpe counters repeatedly:
    “It's not petty. Coach is upset he’s got fired... If I get fired from my job and I go get another job, [are] they gonna allow me to come back in the building at the job that I got fired from?” (31:56)

• Does Belichick Deserve More? Did Kraft Do Him Wrong?

  • Ocho (33:02):
    “But what he’s done for the organization… you don't see why he would be upset? ...after 20 years, six championships?”
  • Sharpe (33:18):
    “It's not a lifetime appointment… If you’re not winning—sports about winning.”

• The Tom Brady Factor: Sharpe highlights Belichick’s miscalculation after Brady’s departure, and the limits of “The Patriot Way.”

  • Sharpe (34:20):
    “Coach Belichick led Mr. Kraft to believe that he could pull anybody in there and do what Brady did.”

• Coaching Departures: Knowing When to Fold: Sharpe and Ocho run down great coaches who knew when to step away—and lament Belichick sticking around too long.

  • Ocho (38:24):
    “See, those coaches… they knew when to fold.”

• Belichick’s Legacy and the Reality of Sports Business

  • Sharpe (42:12):
    “He is the most accomplished coach in NFL history… But if I'm still paying you 15, 20 million dollars a year, there's an expectation I have for you to win. I'm not paying you… based on what you've done.”
  • They agree there’ll likely be reconciliation and a statue someday—just not soon.

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4. NFL News and Player Movement

[18:42 – 21:18] Cam Heyward’s Contract, Veteran Value

• Cam Heyward’s New Deal: The Steelers’ veteran gets incentives rather than a big payday—Sharpe contextualizes this as a reality of age and value.
  • Sharpe (19:43):
    “He’s been a captain… a damn good football player… it's probably not what he wanted, but... at his age… you askin’ an awful lot.”

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5. Travis Hunter as a Two-Way NFL Player

[45:47 – 47:52]

• Jags Expect Hunter to Go Ironman: The Jaguars plan to use him as a full-time receiver and package corner—Sharpe and Ocho debate the feasibility at the NFL level.
  • Sharpe (47:31):
    “Doing it like we both believe he can do it periodically, but he wants to do it full time like he did it in college… that’s where I think the problem comes in.”

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6. Banter & Lighter Moments: Quarterhouse Steak, Soup, and Baseball Fan Drama

[06:52 – 11:06; 49:32 – 54:32]

• Food Mishaps & Malapropisms: Sharpe and Ocho riff on “quarterhouse steak” (not ‘porterhouse’), “mindstrong” soup (minestrone), and laugh about humble beginnings.

  • Sharpe (07:52):
    “Let me get that quarterhouse steak… I said, you mean porterhouse? ‘Yeah, yeah, that one.’”

• Viral Baseball Fan Moment: They review a video of a woman upset she didn't get a home run ball, with Sharpe and Ocho breaking down ballpark etiquette and fan entitlement.

  • Sharpe (53:31):
    “Just because you paid for it don’t mean you entitled to catch a foul ball... If somebody beat you. So what happened?”

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7. Q&A and Rapid Fire

[56:07 – End]

• Listeners’ Questions:
  • Bryce Underwood’s performance at Michigan
  • Top college quarterbacks of all-time ("Cam Newton, Tebow, Tommy Frazier, Baker Mayfield" – Sharpe, [60:23])
  • Why Stanford football lingers ("Football is their third priority" – Sharpe [62:10])

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Notable Quotes

• On NIL’s Disruption:
  “NIL has evened the playing field for other schools—when you have a lot of money, it gives you a better chance to beat those schools that have been dominating.”
  — Chad Johnson [03:39]

• On Belichick’s Situation:
  “It’s not a lifetime appointment… It’s about winning. I’m not paying you 15, 20 [million] based on what you’ve done. I’m paying you… based on what I believe you’ll do. I’ve already paid you for those Super Bowls.”
  — Shannon Sharpe [33:18, 42:12]

• On Legendary Coaches:
  “Those coaches… they knew when to fold. They looked at the landscape… what you have coming back, what’s leaving… they knew.”
  — Chad Johnson [38:24]

• On Playing Time & Money:
  “Wait, how much you got for me? $2 million? Where I’m playing at? Well, I ain’t never been over there, but there’s money here…”
  — Chad Johnson [17:16]

• On Coach/Player Ego:
  “The greater the accomplished player, the person is, the bigger ego… They fired a man that won six Super Bowls. Do you know what that does to your ego?”
  — Shannon Sharpe [40:32]

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Memorable Moments

• Sharpe’s “Quarterhouse Steak” Story [06:52 – 11:06]:
  Comic misadventures at restaurants and in food pronunciation, showcasing the playful chemistry between Unc and Ocho.

• Viral Baseball Video Analysis [49:32 – 54:32]:
  Detailed, humorous breakdown of a home run ball snafu at a Phillies game, leading into a philosophical chat about sports entitlement and social media virality.

• Deep Dive on Coaching Departure Norms [34:20 – 38:51]:
  Sharpe explains, with detailed NFL history, how most legendary coaches know when to step aside—contrasting this with Belichick's saga.

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Episode Flow & Tone

• Frank, playful, and occasionally irreverent.
  The duo are direct about money, egos, and the realities of sport, but also quick with laughter and stories.
• Dynamic mix of deep analysis (coaching, NIL impact, NFL contracts) and relatable asides (food, viral videos).
• Heavy football focus — ideal for listeners wanting to stay current on football’s business and cultural shifts.

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Segment Timestamps

• [02:50] — NIL changes to college football
• [04:56] — Saudis in football?
• [06:52] — Food mishaps and nostalgia
• [15:17] — Oregon’s $40M roster, blowout win, and motivational talk
• [17:16] — No more waiting your turn at top programs
• [19:43] — Cam Heyward’s contract
• [24:11] — Hypocrisy of NIL outrage
• [26:17] — OK State’s money dries up
• [30:15] — Belichick vs. the Patriots, access denied
• [33:02–34:20] — Deserving loyalty?
• [38:24] — Legendary coaches “knowing when to fold”
• [42:12] — “You’re paid for what you’ll do next”
• [45:47] — Travis Hunter’s Ironman plan
• [49:32–54:32] — Philly “Karen” viral baseball video
• [56:07] — Q&A: Listeners’ football questions
• [60:23] — All-time college QB debate
• [62:10] — Stanford football priorities

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For the Listener

This lively episode captures the current chaos and opportunity in football—both college and pro. Plus, you’ll get sharp perspectives on compensation, legacy, and why even the most legendary figures have to move on.

Perfect for:
Fans who love a blend of sports analysis, behind-the-scenes NFL and college football talk, and the kind of banter only Sharpe and Ochocinco can deliver.

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[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I mean, I've said it all the time on here. NIL has even the plan for the. The plan. The playing field for other schools, especially schools that had boosters, school boosters that have a lot of money. When you have a lot of money, it gives you a better chance to beat those schools that have been dominating.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like the Alabama, especially if you got. If you got a Michigan, where you got a Larry Ellison, who's the second richest man in the world. So now you got. So let's just say for the sake of argument, oh, the teams that we're talking about now, Stanford got a bunch of boosters, Harvard got a bunch of boosters, but they ain't trying to. They. They try, hey, we got an idea for AI. We gotta. We. We developing a vaccine or. Or something to cure or treat cancer or treat this. That's what they gonna invest their money in. But you got a Michigan, you got an Ohio State, you got. You got a lsu, a Texas A and M, a University of Texas. Cause them. Oh, hey, yeah, hey, you gotta stick your hand way down a. They got deep pockets down in Texas A and M and Uber and ut, they got deep. You see Texas Tech, so them oil bearers down there, they got real deep pockets. So now you got these teams that want to. They were always close. Ocho, it's. Hey, with a couple of dollars, you can push us over the top. How much?

[Chad Johnson]

Right over the top. You know what's funny when you think about it, too? The Saudis. Yeah, the Saudis. You see how they Dip the hand in boxing. You see what boxing, you see, the boxing is done. Certain fights that would never, probably never would have gotten created before are now being created. Could you imagine if the Saudis dip their hand in, in college football?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, they gotta have a vested interest.

[Chad Johnson]

In it and invested in certain schools, man, come on now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, but he's right. I mean, the South, I mean, because at the, at the end of the day, if you good, you gonna go to the NFL anyway. So I might as well get about 4 or 5 million before I go. I can get. Instead of my, instead of me waiting three years, Ocho, to get mom, grandma, family out of this situation. I could do this as a 17, 18 year old, right?

[Chad Johnson]

And it don't matter where you go, if you can play, if you can play, they're gonna find you. You can play your uncle. You'll be playing under a rock.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

If you can play the game of football, they will find you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And, and that's what happened. Coach Saban realized he didn't. As great a coach as he is, he, he's. He doesn't. The, the advantage that he once possessed, he doesn't have it anymore. Coach K. No. Roy Williams, they realize the advantages that they once had. Okay, yeah, not there. And, and Michael Jordan shoes ain't gonna cut it.

[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho Guys getting 4 million. Guys getting $4 million. $3 million. Can you imagine as a 17, 18 year old Ocho man, if I'd have got a thousand dollars.

[Chad Johnson]

A thousand at seventeen. Give me five hundred.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

You know how much money? Seven at seventeen. You know how much money five hundred is back then? But you ain't had nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I absolutely know. So can you, can you also. So imagine, Ocho, they give you 20, 50,000 back then. Oh, Lord have mercy, man, stop playing. Granted. Don't buy no more baloney. Don't buy no more hot dog. Don't buy no more lunch meat. Hey, number, number. And my homeboy say, number. Quarterhouse steaks, man. I told my homeboy out to eat one time. He said, let me get that quarterhouse steak. The server looked at him, was like, excuse me. He said, yeah, let me get, let me get that quarterhouse steak. Cook it well. I'm like, quarterhouse. I said, you mean porterhouse? Yeah, yeah, that one.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, he's saying it wrong.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm looking at like quarterhouse, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

What'd you try? That wagyu.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Now I see the difference. Now I see the difference. And I had the waiter explain to me, now I'm looking at the menu and I'm looking at the price point of the steak and the difference in the price point of the steak and the wagon. And it gave me a better understanding. Then he explained how the cows are massaged. They get beer and they take care. Certain type of diet. And then I asked, well, does it really make that much of a difference?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Basically, Abely does.

[Chad Johnson]

And he broke. They broke it down to me. Me and the miss went to Prime 112. We went to Prime 112 in Miami. You know, I don't really frequent restaurants like that, but I wanted the Mrs. To go. Went there, you know, and enjoyed herself. They gave me a history lesson. They gave me a history lesson on. On the wagon, on why it cost, how you know, what. What it did. So now, now a lot of, A.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Lot of these farmers and, and, and that they're like five generations. They're four or five generations. So they've been doing this for an extremely long period of time. It's kind of like the farmers used to be. But a lot of the farmers have sold their land often because it used to be four or five, six generation farmers. It's getting really tough for farmers now, especially with the. But you can definitely, you can definitely taste it. Difference in that meat. Yeah, it's like butter.

[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

It's like butter. Man, y' all leave my homeboy log talking about. You talking about quarterhouse steak. He did. I mean, so Ocho. So we, we in, we at Whole Foods. And I said, hey, man, yeah, see what type of soup they got. He said, man, they got a chicken noodle, they got a tomato, they got mind strong, and they got broccoli and cheese.

[Chad Johnson]

I'm like, man, who.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I said, what you say? They got chicken noodle. They got. He wouldn't even say. He didn't even try to pronounce gazpacho. He like, they got broccoli and cheese and they got mindstrong. I say, mindstrong. I said, you mean minestrone? Yeah, yeah, that was. He like, yeah, yeah, that's what they got. I said, man, come on over here, man. I was, man, I was on, man. They said, but he talked about, hey, come on home, but get a bows on the floor, ocho. He said, Ms. Joni. He said, man, he said, man, these people looking at you. I said, they should be looking at. They should be looking at you.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, I, I ain't, I ain't Never, I never, I never heard of that. I, I, I don't know. I don't know much about soups if it's not clam. A lobster bisque. That's. That's pretty. A chicken noodle soup. That's, that's, that's as far as I go. That's as much as I know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm not a real soup guy.

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Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, you know, I, I noticed, you know, tomato and gazpacho and minestrone and all that. Yeah, I, I'm not a soup guy, Ocho. I don't really mess with chili because I already know something bad gonna happen.

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No, I don't gotta try nothing in Cincinnati.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I won't. Oh, no.

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Oh, your stomach can't hold that down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Chili, beans and it's hot. Oh, no, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, okay, okay, okay. Hey, so you can't, you can't, you can't have any dairy products either, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I got lactate. Lactate. But you take, you take before. Like before you. If you're gonna have some dairy, cheese, milk, butter, something like that, you take it before. But no, I would, I would never. Even when I'm home by myself, you never do it. I always take lactate. I keep lactate on me.

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[Chad Johnson]

Hey man, listen. And also, you know it Never hurts when you have a 40 million dollar roster either. Why are you able to score six points?

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's what story? No, you didn't put it up. Oh, oh, oh. I thought. Okay, my bad. We'll go back. We'll go back to it. We'll go back to it. As a matter of fact, let's go back to it right now. Ocho. I skipped over story. AJ McCarron revealed this week that you look at these other teams that have 40, 50 million nil Alabama, I know this for a fact talking to multiple people in the program. Alabama has less than 20 million in their nil. You know that helps Alabama from a recruiting standpoint. In fact, Alabama has been Alabama. But. And people go out there because they know they're going to be able to compete for a national championship year in and year out. And you're going to go into the NFL most likely if you're what supposed to do. If you start losing and all those guys go away and now you can't pay guys what other schools are dishing out night hurts you even more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. So you're not going to have all those wide receivers lining up to come to Alabama. You're not going to have all those running backs that you know the Mark Ingram, you have the Trent Richardson and you have the Derrick Henry. Then you have the Alvin Camaros and you have the Damien Harris's and you have this one and that one and the TJ Yeldin and all the. Nope, you're not. You're not going to have all those DBs lining up. You're not.

[Chad Johnson]

And, and the funny thing about it is not only you have all those players, you have them willing to wait their turn.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Now, not anymore. Wait, how much you got for me? 2 million. Where I'm playing at? Well, I ain't never been over there, but no money here and I got to wait three years just for my turn to get on the field and I can get 2 million to come there and play right now. Yeah, I'm going go ahead and I'm going go ahead and.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But take me and think about it. All those receivers that they had Alabama that waited their turn, you could say the same thing about those Ohio State wide receivers because all those guys waited their turn. Turn.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So the likelihood of somebody like man, please. Hey, you mean to tell me somebody gonna give me 2 million? I can go start or I can be a third wide receiver or a fourth wide receiver here. Nah, bro, I'm. I mean, hey, Jameson, Williams, he was at Ohio State, couldn't crack it. So he's like, hey, let me go on to Alabama. Let me go on down here in Alabama. What, he Was your top 10 pick? Top. You are top he or top pick. I don't know if he's top 10, but I think he was. But I think he's a high draft pick. Same thing with Joe Burrow.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. You know, Jamie Jameson just got paid a few minutes ago. Yeah. Three for 83. Three, 89, 83, something like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, my goodness.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, right, right. Hey, listen. And, boy, did you see Cam? It worked.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cam who? Yeah, they gave him an opportunity. He can. What incentives. He gave. They gave him an extra 3 billion, right? Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

3 million.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, he's making 14 and a half. 17 and a half. The mother guy is 24. 28. 30. 34, 40.

[Chad Johnson]

But he got to be realistic. He's 36. I know, 36. You know, it doesn't matter who you are.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm. Hey, I'm happy for him. Any. Hey, that's 3 million more. And it's probably, you know, probably roster bonus for every week that he's on the active roster, he gets.

[Chad Johnson]

Right, right, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He gets 250. A quarter of a million, something like that. Damn, if he has, you know, he has five sacks, he gets another half a million.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, look, like I said, I mean, I think the thing is, is that he. He's 36 years of age. He's been. He's been great. He's been a captain. He's been great in the community. He's been a damn good football player. And he doesn't call. He doesn't call. He doesn't call the Steelers, you know, Mike Tomlin has never had to worry about getting a call about Cam Hayward. The Steelers have never had to worry about getting a call about Cam Hayward. So, hey, I'm ha. I'm happy. It's probably not what he wanted. He probably wanted, you know, 25 to 30 million dollars. But. But like you said, Oo at his age. You ask an awful lot at that age. I mean, you.

[Chad Johnson]

You said 25, 30 men a year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes, I'm saying at that age. Ojo. I'm saying at that age. No, no, maybe if he had rolled the dice, said, you know what? I'm gonna play this contract, I don't worry about last year now. He'd have been a free agent.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So now I think even on the open market, at 36, he probably could approach 20. You think you get 22 for 22 for 42.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, hey, absolutely, absolutely. For someone like that coming from a historic franchise, the last name itself alone. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, but listen, that, that, that, that, that little three. You know what we want you happy? We want to go into the secret with everyone happy. We gonna give you, this is no disrespect here. Go to, we're gonna, we gonna give you peanuts.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But hey, he feels good because he got something. Yeah, he got 3 million more than what was on the contract. And plus he understands 36 years of age and the last thing you want is, is to be a distraction going into the season because you have your quarterback now. You think you have a team good enough to compete in the AFC North. You think you have a team that can get to the playoffs. And so look, we don't want, we want all cylinders go. We want to be focused and go take care of the job at hand. The, the story that we just started on Wayne Gundy, he's the head coach, he played at Oklahoma State, but he's the head coach now. He said the roster that Oregon trots out there last year was like $40 million probably similar to what it is now. And so he and Dan Lanning, who happens to be the head coach at Oregon had a back and forth ocho they going back and forth. And Lanning said in the post game it never requires extra motivation for or for an opportunity to go out and kick ass. But it never hurts when somebody pours gasoline on the fire.

[Chad Johnson]

Nah, not at all. Gundy got to be careful. You got to be careful.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, he got to be careful game. But they're going to get his ass up out of there.

[Chad Johnson]

Bingo. That, that too. But understand your personnel, understand what you have to work with before you talk trash about a team like Oregon that you already know has a 40 million dollar roster. And what you say, what you, what they had last year, well, hell, if they had it last year, I'm sure they got some dog coming back this year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Guess what? They won the national championship. So they might got a little more.

[Chad Johnson]

Thank you. So does your team, do you have the personnel to back up some of the trash talk? If you, if you don't, you go into that game quietly so you don't give the other team ammunition or the head coach post game material when you know damn good and well you not going to go in and have a chance to win. You got to be self aware as a coach it's all about self awareness as a coach.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is. Somebody said it's like 23 million, not 40. Something similar to what Ohio State's playing. Look, because they don't have a cap on it, you can spend as much as much. It's an open market, so you'll spend as much as the boosters are willing to put in there. And whatever it takes to get a player like a Jeremiah Smith or player. Whatever it takes to get a Caleb Downs. Who your top ranked safety who left the University of Alabama once Coach Saban left. Okay. If that's what it takes to compete at this level. I'm trying to compete. I'm trying to compete.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I think that's what a lot of the coaches like, look, we got to put a cap on this thing. You know what I'm saying? Because if one team can spend 100 million and we, you know, well, hey, it is what it is. Have you, you have all your alumni to give $50.

[Chad Johnson]

It's so funny. It's so funny. The coaches or, or people in positions of power want to put a cap on nil, but they didn't want to put a cap on how much coaches can make. Coaches can make and how much universities, university could make off your likeness. But now the players are getting some money. Now they want to put a cap on it. Come on now. Come on now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So it, it is 69 to 3. Coach Gundy might be in trouble.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, no. Oh, no, no, no. They playing Oregon now. They're playing Oregon.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho. They don't give a damn who you playing. That's Oklahoma State. 69 3.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, the athletic director at Oklahoma State no good. And well, brother Gundy's team stood no chance against Oregon. Now you play someone of. You know what? Matter of fact, how about this? Florida lost to University of South Florida.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We've been had that his watch.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, now that's a game. If it was, if it was Gundy saying some things he said and lost to a, a lesser team, then yes. Losing Oregon. I don't see you being on a high seat for that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's not that losing Oregon. Ocho is 69. Three. Losing the Oregon. It's not the loss. You lose 20, you lose 27 to 10. You lose 35, 21. Nobody. Oo. That's Oklahoma State. That's 69 to 3.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And plus he's been. I mean, think about it. That program has not. Is there's been some slippage in that program.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. Yeah. You know, you know why it's slippage, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, he's not getting the level of talent that he once got.

[Chad Johnson]

We need money.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

We need, well, what day is that with Oklahoma State? Didn't he?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And I think the thing is, I think the biggest booster who the stadium's named after, T. Boom Pickens, passed away.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So the money ain't free flowing like it once did. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, whoever took over T Boom Pickens needed him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We're not generous like him. We, we're not generous. We're not generous like dad or, or, or grandpa or whatever the case may be.

[Chad Johnson]

Right. Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And that's the thing. That's, that's, you know, everybody doesn't look at that school is the same way. That was his pride and joy.

[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Bill Belichick confirmed today Ocho following his first win at North Carolina that scouts from New England Patriots do not have access to the program. It's clear I'm not working at their facility, so they're not working with ours. Coach Belichick. Really?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Bill. Let. Bill stand on business.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let me ask you this. Tell me the coach that's been fired, that's coaching somewhere else, that's allowed to come back to the facility that he was fired at. You think Pete Carroll can go back to Seattle? What coach has been fired, still coaching, and can come back to where they got fired from? I don't think that I. If I get fired from my job and I go get another job, they're gonna allow me to come back in the building at the job that I got fired from? I. It could. They might like me still, but I doubt it.

[Chad Johnson]

Right. Wait, so you. You gotta. You gotta. You gotta give me a little bit more here. Is there. He is there. What is the reasoning for Bill not allowing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's bad. He's mad because he got fired. He said he's not allowed in New England, so they shouldn't be allowed there.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. I like it. I like. I like that level of petty. I like that. I like that level of petty. So you want to play?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, you want to play. But I'LL ask you a question. Oo. Name the coach. You still haven't given me a scenario. So name the coach that's been fired. So if. If Marvin Lewis got another job, right? Do you believe he can go back to Cincinnati while he's coaching another team? So you believe Marvin while he was at or Arizona State, he could go back to Cincinnati or Oakland.

[Chad Johnson]

Let's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Any one of them.

[Chad Johnson]

Oakland? No. No. Why not? Damn, that's a. That's a good one, huh? That's a good one. Just thinking about it too. Coaches in positions like that, that are coaching somewhere else, I don't even think they would feel comfortable going back to the place where they were fired from.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's talking about. He doesn't feel welcome.

[Chad Johnson]

Welcome? Yeah. Unless they're playing the game. Hey, Unk. You don't like that level of petty.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's not petty. Coach is upset he's got fired. Let me ask you a question. How many coaches. You think Coach Belichick is fired? How many players has he cut?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, that's a good one. Hey, but what he's done for the organization, you. You don't see why he would be upset? You don't see why he would be mad after 20 years of what I gave six champion. Who knows how many AFC championships?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He's not a federal job or Supreme Court justice. It's not a lifetime appointment. You don't get to stay on the job forever. If you're not with Ocho, you'll know what sports are about. It's about winning.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. And that was a bar, too. I like that. If I have my notepad, I would have wrote that down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Coach Belichick thinks. Because you know what? I've been here 20 years. I've won six Super Bowls. We've gone to nine. I should be able to. So even as we lose, we continuously lose with no hope on the horizon. I should still be able because of what I've done. Mr. Kraft says I paid you for that. I was paying you 5, 10, 15, $20 million a year. So now I'm paying you based on what I believe you can do. And I don't believe you can get done what you need to get done because number 12 is gone. And I listened to you when you told me we should move off of 12 because he couldn't do it anymore.

[Chad Johnson]

Right. That's tough. That's tough.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I just. I'm just. I'm just confused while he's. Why he's surprised that. But guess what? When you're no longer Coaching. I believe you'll be able to go back, coach.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, they're going to fix that, though. Whatever. Whatever Bill and Mr. Kraft are going through, they're going to fix that. They're gonna. It won't be fixed right now, but at some point, they will make amends. Because what they had was special.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Huh?

[Chad Johnson]

What they had was special.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What they had was 20 years, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So are. You want me to keep. So you want me to keep you on for another five years with. No, I mean. And we're getting worse.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, you. You understand why they were worse?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Because until you get that most important piece, that most important piece to be able to build around it, that's exactly what's going.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, he led Mr. He led Coach. He led Mr. Craft to believe that he could pull anybody in there and do what Brady did.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, you know, it doesn't work like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you should tell him that.

[Chad Johnson]

You Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sometimes a player is greater than the sum of all of its parts. Coach Belichick knew that. Coach Belichick wanted to keep a reign in place. Coach Belichick. What Tom wanted from Coach Belichick was validation. Coach Belichick knew that in order to keep this thing running, I can't give Brady any more credit than I give Richard Seymour any more credit than I give Gronk any more credit than I give them. That's how he kept control of it. And people like, well, damn. I heard Akee Talib said how Coach Belichick would ream Brady out. I've heard you say it. I've heard other guys. That's how he kept control. Because if he'll ream out number one, everybody else will fall in line. He convinced Mr. Kraft that the Patriot way. The Patriot way was Tom Brady. That's the Patriot way. Tom Brady. Because they still got that fake. They're still disciplined. They still do all the things, and nobody talks. It doesn't matter about what way it is. You need a guy. And Tom Brady's don't grow on trees. There's only been one Tom Brady tree, and it's gone. So I don't. I don't. I don't know. What? I don't know. I don't know. I really don't. I don't get this. Because he's only. He's only looking at the bad. He's only looking at. He fired me. He's not looking at the other years in which he could have fired you for Spygate or he could have fired you for Deflategate or a host of other instances, but he stuck by you. I. That's just me. Everybody doesn't see things through that, that prism. Clearly, he's still upset about getting fired. You're not the first. You're not the first great coach. This guy look a lot of great. Normally you see a Bill Walsh step aside, you see Lombardi steps aside, and then he, he, he retires, and then he goes and coaches Washington. Normally, guys, Chuck no steps aside. Go, I'm done. So normally guys that win at that level, they don't really get fired. They step away. You see guys that's won three more championships, like Jimmy, Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson got fired. That's an anomaly. Chuck no won four. He stepped aside. Coach Shula one, two stepped aside. Bill Walsh, 13, stepped aside. So normally when guys, you know, win three, four. Mike, Mike won two with Mr. Boland and did, hey, like, they weren't getting any better. They was, they were, they were spinning their wheels.

[Chad Johnson]

But see, those coaches, they knew when to fold. They knew fold. They understood the chances. You look at the landscape of the, of the team, what you have coming back, what's leaving you. Knowing the fold. Sean Payton, he knew. He knew in the league. Yes, he knew. He, he already started writing on the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wall ahead of time. Drew Reeves is done. Everything's getting old. Let me get up out of here.

[Chad Johnson]

I gotta go. I gotta go. It's all about foreseeing, foreseeing the future again. That's all a part of self awareness.

[Shannon Sharpe]

An unnamed UNC athletic source told the Boston Herald. Why would we let them in our home after how he's been treated since he left? We will help our players. Being treated fairly is a two way street. A two way street for whom? How? I'm just trying to figure out how has he been treated? Because normally, oo, when you get fired from a job, they don't just let you arbitrarily. Just come back anytime, right? I don't know. I look, like I said, I hadn't been on a whole lot of jobs, but I mean, when I got let go at Fox, you know, I'm pretty sure my, my, my ID badge didn't work anymore. And then, and then why, why would I be there, right? Who goes back? I mean, who gets fired? Chat y'. All, Y' all can help me out, because I've really never really had a 9 to 5, so I wouldn't know. So if you get a 9 to 5 and you get fired, y' all trying to go back to your job and Hang out with your co workers. Hey, man, what's going. Man, what you doing here? Ocho, man, I thought they fired you last week. Yeah, man, I just come to hang out with y'.

[Chad Johnson]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Is that what happened? Chat y' all help me out, Chad. Cause like I said, I've never had a 9 to 5, but I wouldn't know.

[Chad Johnson]

You have to think. You have to think about it. All the things you have to. You have to be able to see from view from. From Bill's viewpoint. See it from the lenses in which Bill sees it at. You know, you see it one way, but he sees it another, which is why he's doing it. So obviously you feel he feels some type of way about it. We don't have all the information on why he feels that way, but he does because he's actually doing it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, we talk about this all the time. The greater the accomplished player, the person is, the bigger ego. Ocho, they fired a man that won six Super Bowls. Do you know what that does to your ego?

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Imagine Tom Brady, how he felt. You tried to get rid of me a few years earlier and now after everything that I've done. So how must Tom Brady have felt? Coach. Coach. I mean, damn. So you wanted to stay on forever even after you winning nothing. So. Even so. No, the thing about sports is not lifetime achievement. It's update your resume. You've done everything. He is a six time super bowl winning coach. He is a coach of the year. He's a this or whatever you want to call. He is the most accomplished coach in NFL history. He's that. You can't take that away from him, Ocho. But if I'm still paying you 15, 20 million dollars a year, there's an expectation I have for you to win. I'm not paying you 15 or 20 based on what you've done. I'm paying you 15, 20 based on what I believe you'll do. I've already paid you for those Super Bowls, Ocho. So how long? Yeah, how long must I pay someone for something that they've already done?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Once you don't have that quarterback, man, it becomes that much more difficult.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson]

Becomes that much more difficult.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And Coach, look, he's great. He these defenses and what he was able to help Tom do, saying, Tom, if you're in this formation, this is where you're vulnerable. If you did this, this is what I would do. This is what I think they'll do. It was a great. It was a match made in heaven for 20 years.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

A lot of marriages don't last that long, Ocho. A lot of marriages don't, Tom. There ain't a whole lot of coaches that would have allowed a great player, quarterback, would have allowed the head coach. A lot of head coaches wouldn't even have the audacity or the gumption to even speak to a quarterback like that, at least not in front of the team. Now, maybe they, you call him in his office, maybe you undress or dress down the quarterback, okay, but not in front of the team. Tom allowed that to happen. He took it. He grit his teeth, he bit his lip.

[Chad Johnson]

I, I, he understood, though. He understood. He understood why. He understands why it shocked me seeing it. Because that, that's first day, first meeting.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Maybe there were some things that were said. Maybe there were some things that were said, Ocho, that we don't know about. But I don't believe, like I said, and like you said, Ocho, we don't know. All, All I know is that he was relieved of his duty. They agreed to go their separate ways. Normally, one person has to initiate that because it's hard for me to believe that we sit down at the exact same time and says, I think we should go our separate ways. He say that, I say that. It's like a divorce. We've decided to go our separate ways. No, somebody decided that they're going to go to a separate way, and I agreed. Okay, we'll do that. We'll save face and we'll issue a joint statement since we're going our separate ways.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ah, it's tough because of. You're never going to see a run like this again, Ocho. Oh, you're never going to see a run like this. No, you're not.

[Chad Johnson]

The closest, the closest thing to it is down there in Kansas City, but.

[Shannon Sharpe]

At the closest, that means Andy would have to stay on another 12 years just to reach that.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You think andy Reid got 12 years in it and it's damn near 70. Dang. Yeah. So you gotta understand, Coach Bella, how, how, how young Coach Belichick was when he got the job. I just, look, it, it, it was a great situation. Nothing lasts forever, but I just wish they could put this behind them. Coach, Mr. Kraft is going to put a statue out there once he's done coaching. Oh, yeah, he said it. I believe him. He's going to be one of the two players, two men from that organization that, that have a statue. It's just, I, I think it's petty. That's just me, the Jags are planning on playing for Travis Hunter to be an every down wide receiver and a situational corner tomorrow for the regular season open against the Carolina Panthers. Jackson.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Initially would determine Hunter's usage on a week to week basis. Ocho, are you surprised that this is the approach that they're taking? Absolutely not.

[Chad Johnson]

Because the higher ups, the coaches, they understand he wouldn't be able to do it every play. He wouldn't be able to do it. But he can play receiver full time and then be using packages on third down. I'm, I'm excited, I'm excited for him. I'm excited for the Jacksonville Jaguars. I'm excited for Trevor Lawrence to bounce back, to get back to what we know we can do a phenomenal throw of the football. Him and Brian, excuse me, him And Brian Thomas Jr. Had a phenomenal season last year. Now you add an additional weapon with Travis Hunter. Oh, they gonna be nice. They should be nice. Like it looks nice on paper, but you gotta go out there and play. I'm excited to see Travis Hunter on the other side of the ball. Ball game now, no, it's a game of inches. You got to be on point every single time you step out there on the field defensively. And then injuries. You got to stay healthy, baby.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a lot of wear on the table.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you got to stay healthy. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, it's a lot. That was the time, Ocho, hey, when the defense on the field, that was the time for me to decompress, to take my babe and relax.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, you get to reset. You get, you get to reset and prepare yourself mentally for the next offensive series. He, he, he take it on a lot. But if there's anybody that can do it, I would love, I would love, I would love to see him do it. Doing it at the college level is one thing. Doing it at the NFL level, it's a whole nother ball game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Doing it like we both believe he can do it periodically, but he wants to do it full time like he did it in college. So he wants to play 65, 70 plays on offense, 65, 70 plays on defense. That's where I, that's where I think the problem comes in. But hey, I'm all, I, I'm all lives. I'm gonna watch.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely. Can you, can you imagine the Jaguars playing the Bengals, right? And he playing receiver full time, dealing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dealing with T. Higgins, dealing with Chase.

[Chad Johnson]

Dealing with Jamar Chase and then having to flip sides and then go play, man. Come on, boy. You know the kind of energy you got to exert when you playing these receivers at this level.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And the mental energy. The mental energy also, not just the physical energy.

[Chad Johnson]

What? Yeah, yeah. Because listen, it's a mental game to begin with.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

It's middle game to begin with. But I like it. I'm happy for him. I'm. Listen, I'm locked in. I'm in Chicago. I'm at the DraftKings at the Sportsbook tomorrow. You know about connected Wrigley Field they got is so big. Every game. I got. I got access to every game. Oh, oh, this g to be nice.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can't wait. Oh, have you seen.

[Chad Johnson]

Hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The Bronco play tomorrow?

[Chad Johnson]

The Bronco?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, they play Titans.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Y' all f to lose. Y' all lose.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There you go. OO have you seen the Phillies Karen video? Take a look at this video. OO Let me know what you think.

[Chad Johnson]

I ain't seen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That. OO the hit of home.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, help me out. Help me out here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We got another video. That's it.

[Chad Johnson]

Is she running after the man with the ball?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho, what happened? They hit a home run.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The ball is on the ground. He leaves this section. He go picks the ball up. He brings it back and gives it what looks like his son. She said he took the ball out of her hand, if I'm hearing the video correctly. What they're recording. They said she didn't have the ball. He reached out and picked the ball up off the. Off the. Off the floor. She didn't have the ball.

[Chad Johnson]

He got there before her. He got there before her, basically. Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I. I can see if he took it out of her hands. I can see if he took it out of a kid's hand. The ball was on the floor. He didn't take it. He was awful nice to just give it to us. Like, I. I don't. I don't want. No, but, ma', am, just because that's not his section, that doesn't mean he can't go get the retrieval ball. She, like, she felt like she was entitled to it because it was in her section. So let me. The question that I have. If somebody else from her section would have gotten the ball, would she have felt obligated?

[Chad Johnson]

Well, the fact that she felt obligated and didn't get there fast enough, you snooze, you lose. When a home run is hit on, it's the first person that gets to that. That's always been the rule. Yes, that's always been a rule.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't.

[Chad Johnson]

I Don't attend many baseball games. When I do see a home run hit, I see everybody running to that goddamn ball. When people play in San Francisco and they hit a home run and it end up in.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, because he's cold. Yes. With Bar. Yes. Ain't a whole lot of people have been hitting in the cold since Barry left, but, yes, you're absolutely right. And it's the first one. Hey. And everybody out there in their little kayaking, trying to get the ball. Okay. If they hit the ball, Ocho, you in your kayak. I dive in that water and I get the ball. Don't be too much. This ain't your section. The hell. I don't care whose section it is. I dove it in water. I got this ball. Damn you.

[Chad Johnson]

I got that first. Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The guy is a lot nicer than a lot of people would have. A lot of people would have told that lady, forget you. I ain't giving you jack. Oh, he gave it to her.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, that's cool. That's cool.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I wouldn't have gave it nothing. I ain't gonna even lie. That's my son. I got that ball for my son right now. He did. I think he got a sign back. I saw. I think I saw somebody say he go. He gonna get. He gonna fly the family to the World Series.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay, I like that. See, that's the. That's the good thing about videos. When they go viral, some of the players from the team, they see what happens, and they get in touch with the fan. And then you even. You get something better. You get to meet the player. You get bat, you get a glove, you get a ball, and you get more access. That's even better. So all she got now is the ball. And now they got even better.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But let me ask you a question, Ocho. Tell me chat. Let me know what y' all think. What do you think the chances are that lady was gonna dive on that ball in a scrum and try to get it? No, that's normally what guys do. Guys drive into the scrum and. And bust their head or jump over somebody or spill their beer. We've seen guys try to catch the. Hey, they got the baby in one hand, got the baby on a sling, got a beer in one hand, and they catch the ball. Guys do. Dumb guys do stuff like that. I ain't say I haven't seen. Not to say it hadn't happened. I just haven't seen a mom trying to catch a ball while she holding the baby. They're more like. More Protective. They're like, oh, don't, don't hit my baby. Guys like, hey, I'm going to catch this ball. He wasn't fitting to jump on that pavement, mess her knees up, mess her clothes up, trying to get a baseball. She just thought it was easy because it wasn't a whole lot of people in that area. And he just ran over, he reached out, picked the ball up, got the ball held up, gave it to his son.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, yeah. I was like, oh yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Baby. Just because you paid for it don't mean you entitled to catch a foul ball, Ocho. It doesn't mean that you entitled to get a home run ball just cause you in that section. If somebody beat you. So what happened? The ball trickles down, it lands in your section, but trickles down and goes in somebody else section. Then what you say, well, the ball landed in my section, but you didn't get it.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Now you can't. Oh, you're not obligated. You're not obligated. You're not obligated to it because you couldn't get to it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Thank you. That. Thank you.

[Chad Johnson]

Now they want. Now if they want, if they want to get right. Correct, because you are a woman, then be grateful for that. But if they don't, they're not obligated.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. So I guess you feel like, well, I paid for this ticket and it landed in my spot and you was faster than I was. I can see if he took it out of her hand.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He didn't take it out of hand. Ocho. She told me you took it out of my hand. That woman hand wasn't nowhere to. Chad. Look at that. Look at the video. He didn't take that ball out of that lady's hand.

[Chad Johnson]

Not even close.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But I, I commend whoever gave him, whoever the, the Phillies player that gave him that sign bat. Do we know who gave him the sign back? Hope it was Swabber or Bryce Harper. Hope it well. Hey, hey, Bryce Harper. Give him a sign back Burger. Give him a sign back too. Yeah, and a signed jersey. Get. Get a kid something. Make her feel bad. You got a, a five dollar ball and caused all this commotion because you felt entitled that you should have got the ball. Oh, man. Lord, have a good. But the guy, oh, the guy even gave it a ball. And just like. I don't want no problem, ma'. Am. I don't want no problem. It's it. It. Lord have mercy.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. You know, you know, you know who I met when I, when I landed here. The Cub. The Cub must be playing the Washington Nationals, okay? And one of the better players that played for the Washington Nationals by the name of Josh Bell. I met Josh Bell and his family earlier today when I walked in. Oh, it was cool. It was cool. Obviously they watched the show. They watched the show and they said they love it. They say you and I was very funny. Josh Bell. I'm very, very respectful to him, you know, him and his family. But it's really cool, really cool to meet him. And I told him a story about how I, I almost played for the Marlins in 1997. He Believe me though, but still.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He should. All right, guys, we're gonna get you out here on this one. It's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for q and A. J.J. carver said. Is that Frozone? Was Frozone we talking about. He talk.

[Chad Johnson]

He trying. He make. Trying to make fun of me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, oh, you talking about an incredibles with Samuel L. Jackson. Where's my super suit?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, okay, okay. Because my, my best. Hey, uncle. You know I'm standing at the wrist Carlson. They gave, they gave me this. They gave me this when I came in. Little gift.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, they gave you a little gift bag, huh? Little goodie bag. I told him I was going to.

[Chad Johnson]

Put it on, so am I gonna put it on, you know, so boom, I'm wearing it. So. Rich car, everybody. The real rich Carlson down here in Chicago. I appreciate you see, I got, got it on. I got it on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Adam Smith said Bryce Underwood is going to be good, but he didn't play good tonight. But the OC for Michigan called a terrible game. Way too conservative on third down. You've got got a quarterback that has arm talent. Why not give him a chance to make plays? I, I think this, I think if they could have had got some third and third and shorts. It seemed like everything was kind of third and long and you, and you don't.

[Chad Johnson]

It makes it that much.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't want to, you don't want to do anything. You don't want to do anything to back your offense up. But I think look for an 18 year old playing in a hostile environment, his first get first road game and it's in or Norman, Oklahoma. I think he did okay. He'll be, he'll be better for it moving forward. Shakur said Nightcap Fam Love would think that Stob is the answer for CU just because he looked okay against Delaware. What game besides Baltimore excites you? No, I, but look, he looked better than the other two guys did against Delaware. It wasn't like he was playing Delaware and they was playing Alabama or Georgia. Right. They were playing to say they were playing the same team. And the question that I asked, did he look better than the other two guys that were playing against Delaware? Yes or no? Now, I'm sure Prime would do his due diligence time. Obviously had enough confidence in to put him in the game. So obviously he had liked something that he had seen during OTAS training camp and during the week of practice that led him to say, okay, son, get in there. So we'll see how this thing plays out. But.

[Chad Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I'm excited about all the games. I mean, the Commanders play the Giants. We got some really. We got some really good matchups tomorrow.

[Chad Johnson]

Really good ones.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The packers play the Lions.

[Chad Johnson]

Lions. Yeah. Bears.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We got some good matchups this weekend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. MSQ said. How great do you think BYU commit Folsom High School quarterback Rider Lions can be? I don't know much about him. I'm not going to sit here and bull jive you. I'll have to take a look at him. We'll find out. I have to go back and look at some YouTube videos and see what he looks like. It's easy to say somebody's gonna be good or great, but you don't know until you get them into your building and they put that uniform on.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Architect. Nice tv. Thank you, Shannon. I said the same thing about Grambling playing Ohio State today. No point in playing for money. That football team itself would never see. Just get embarrassed by 50. It just. I mean, you got brave by the time. If I give you a million dollars, Ocho, and you gotta fly. You gotta fly 70 players up and you gotta bring the band and you gotta feed them and you gotta put them up in a hotel, all of a sudden, that ain't a million dollars no more.

[Chad Johnson]

Gone. Now it's gone.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I need to win the lottery because I will put it album for two years. I got y' all. Kevin Norwood Jr. My question is top four college quarterback. You talking about this year or all time? All time. I'm putting Cam in there. Cam had the greatest season ever. You go back and look at Cam and what he did with the talent that he had around him.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And in the sec. Yeah, all time, man. I think you have to put Tebow in there for the simple fact of what he did. Cam Tebow, Damn. Who else started a bunch of games? I think Baker would think you have to throw Baker. Baker Mayfield might, might make my man. There's a lot of Tommy Frazier. I'm putting Tommy Frazier in there.

[Chad Johnson]

That's a good one. But it was hey Nebraska back then, boy, they was hell back then.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Michael, Michael said, ocho, Johnny, why is Stanford football still around? They haven't been good in years. Always get some bands on national tv. Look, look, I mean, it's nice to. You go to Stanford, bro. You trying to be a doctor. You trying to do economics. You trying to be tech, bro? I mean, it's, it's not. I mean, hey, it's nice. I mean, C. Mac gets to put that Stanford degree on his wall, but. And most players that go to Stanford ain't gonna play in the NFL. They're not really going thinking about playing in the NFL. They going to start thinking about a startup. They're thinking about being a financial guy. They're thinking about something Google, Apple, Microsoft. That's what they think it. Ocho, let's just be honest.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Football, Football is their, their second or third priority, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Football is their third priority.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You go to, you go to Stanford, you're not majoring in eligibility.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. Richard Sherman, understanding he had the skill set and the talent to play at the next level. Very good. Christian McCaffrey, understood. I have the, I have the skill set and the talent to play at the next level. Outside of that, are there any more? Oh, Andrew Luck.

[Shannon Sharpe]

John Elway.

[Chad Johnson]

John Elway. Yes. No. Very, very, very few. Very few.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Arjun said, hey, uncle, no joke. Y' all wish me a happy birthday. Arjun. Happy birthday. Hopefully you had a wonderful birthday. I don't know if it was today, if it was yesterday or tomorrow or today, if you're on the east coast, but happy birthday. Hopefully you did something fun. Hopefully you're going to do something fun and you're going to get an opportunity to spend it with family, friends and loved ones because that's what we should be doing on our birthday. That concludes this episode of Nightcap. We want to thank each and every one of you that stayed up with us and joined us for Nightcap. Joining Ocho and I, the game was okay, wasn't great. It wasn't a barn burner, it wasn't a thriller. But we thank you for spending a couple hours with us on a Saturday night. Thank you. Thank you for joining us. Nightcap. I'm your favorite uncle, Shannon Sharp, my partner and co host, Frozone, Bingo's ring of fame, the Pro Bowler, the all Pro. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. Please make sure you hit the subscribe button. Please make sure you hit that like button. And do us a favor, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. We'd like to thank each and every one of you for your loyalty, for your patience and your understanding. Thanks to you, Nightcap has become what it's become. We pr. We appreciate your support and your continued support. Make sure you check out Shave by La Portier. If you can't find it in a city or state near you, order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door. The best tasting premium via SOP cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. We have a limited edition series cognac from my brother being inducted to the Pro Football hall of Fame and in he and I becoming the first two brothers inducted into the Pro Football hall of Fame. You can see it on your screen. It's a special keepsake. It's a part of history. So just head over to laportierconac.com to grab yours and be a part of history. Please go follow my media company page on all of his platforms. Shay Shay Media and my clothing company. 84. With 84 being spelled out, that link is spent is pinned in the chat. Ou beats Michigan by the score of 24 to 13. And South Florida takes down UF in Gainesville. 18. I think it's 1816. So it's 1516, 1816. So thank you guys for joining us. Thanks, Johnny. Go follow him on his YouTube channel Glory Days with Johnny Manziel. Want to thank Johnny for joining us. He'll be back in the states and so we'll be back on a. On a good wi fi signal next week. So thank you, John. I appreciate that. Enjoy your time over there. Get back to the state safely. Look forward to talking to you next week. I am Unk he's ocho A full schedule of football Sunday tomorrow. You don't want to miss what Ojo and I have to say. And got a really great grade. A really great game tomorrow night. Buffalo. Baltimore gonna be a barn burner. I'm up. He's ocho. See you tomorrow. Peace.

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