Nightcap Hour 2: Unc & Ocho React to CeeDee Lamb Still SICK over his Drops, Gronk called out for being hypocritical

Summary

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Club Shay Shay - Nightcap Hour 2: Unc & Ocho React to CeeDee Lamb Still SICK Over His Drops, Gronk Called Out for Being Hypocritical

Date: September 12, 2025
Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guests/Co-hosts: Joe Hayden, Chad Ochocinco Johnson (“Ocho”)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Nightcap Hour 2 on Club Shay Shay dives deep into NFL-level player psychology, leadership, and accountability, focusing on recent events including CeeDee Lamb's reaction to game drops, the Chiefs' sideline dynamics under pressure, Gronkowski's critical comments, and how teams handle adversity and leadership in the locker room. Shannon, Ocho, and Joe Hayden mix on-field breakdowns with behind-the-scenes veteran candor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. George Pickens’ Mentality and the Wide Receiver Market

[02:42–04:41]

• Ocho praises George Pickens’ positive, “team-first” attitude despite frustrating contract situations and comparisons to other WRs getting paid.
• Joe highlights that if issues persist across teams, “it ain’t the scenery, it’s you.”
• Consensus: Young receivers need to focus on staying open, making the most of their tape, and avoiding ego issues for longevity in the league.

  “He gonna be quiet as a mouse. He gonna do everything he’s supposed to do, and he should...” – Chad Ochocinco [03:07]

• The group stresses the financial stakes, advising receivers to "get your money” while they can.

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2. Player Injuries and Financial Security

[05:07–06:30]

• News breaks of Austin Ekeler’s Achilles injury—a non-contact, season-impacting event.
• Ocho and Joe discuss why players fight so hard for guaranteed contracts, knowing the league will quickly devalue injured talent.

  “Once you get hurt, they don’t value you the same… That’s why I tell guys, look, your first contract, get as much money as you can.” – Joe Hayden [06:30]

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3. CeeDee Lamb’s Struggles with Drops & Mental Recovery

[07:26–11:02]

• CeeDee Lamb admits being haunted by his recent drops vs. the Eagles:

  “Trust me, I thought about it. I’ve dwelled on it. For all those that feel like they feel worst about the game to me, you’re absolutely wrong.” – CeeDee Lamb (read by Joe Hayden) [08:14]

• Ocho prescribes the 24-hour rule: “You have a bad game, you have 24 hours to dwell on it.”
• Shannon and Joe share personal stories, emphasizing that playing the next game is the real remedy for mistakes–even as the pain stays with you until you redeem yourself in a big moment.

  “The more you invest in something, the more hurt you feel from it when it doesn’t go according.” – Joe Hayden [11:02]

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4. Patrick Mahomes, Film Study, and Super Bowl Hangovers

[14:10–17:27]

• Discussion of how Mahomes studies losses in detail as a “student of the game.”
• Ocho points out Mahomes’ film room mentality, highlighting how elite QBs dwell on mistakes to improve.
• The significance of protecting the QB, referencing Philly's D-line and potential rematches.

  “If his offensive line doesn’t protect him any better… we’re going to have the same outcome.” – Joe Hayden [17:50]

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5. Gronk’s Comments on Mahomes & Chiefs — Hypocrisy?

[20:22–25:21]

• Gronkowski criticized the Chiefs for infighting and “folding under pressure,” leading to social media calling him out for hypocrisy (since Patriots had similar issues).
• Ocho: “Every team has the same issues… Patriots just been able to mask it much better.” [21:04]
• Hard talk about accountability and sideline disputes—emphasizing communication and how “no one should be too big to be called out” [22:07]
• Physicality as the equalizer: beat Brady and the Patriots by hitting them—just as people now say about the Chiefs.

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6. Players-Only Meetings & Locker Room Leadership

[25:49–33:44]

• Miami Dolphins hold a players-only meeting after a bad week one—Ocho calls these meetings “very performative” if not paired with execution.

  “All that talking don’t mean nothing, man. Put your helmet on and use your pads.” – Ocho [27:19]

• Joe shares a Denver Broncos story: a real locker room fracture can only be fixed with honest, tough conversations.
• They discuss how effective leadership requires knowing who you can coach hard and who needs a softer touch.

  “Coach Davis always told us… I’m gonna treat all y’all fair, but I ain’t gonna treat you all the same.” – Joe Hayden [34:30]

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7. Miami’s Roster Future & Rebuild

[38:19–40:14]

• Hypothetical: If the Dolphins keep losing, do they enter rebuild?
• Ocho and Joe agree: Dump assets, get draft capital, and focus on the future, possible big moves involving Tyreek Hill or Bradley Chubb.
• Discussion about the limited trade value for injury-prone QBs, even if the demand at that position is always high.

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8. Aaron Rodgers’ Touchdown Record Pursuit

[43:12–45:21]

• Rodgers is on the verge of passing Brett Favre for 4th all-time in passing TDs.
• Panel debates whether 649 (Brady’s record) is achievable.
• Ocho optimistic about Rodgers’ chances for next tier; all agree the statistical milestone is daunting.

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9. Rookie QB Poise and Blame-Shifting

[45:55–47:44]

• Cam Ward, after a rocky debut, keeps confidence high in his receivers; avoids blame.

  “Biggest thing is… always have to have the next-play mentality. I’m not too worried about that.” – Cam Ward (read by Joe Hayden) [46:32]

• All agree: veterans respect this attitude over QBs who show up teammates on the field.

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10. Q&A: Packers Legends, Toughest Opponents, & Fantasy Advice

[47:45–56:17]

• Top 5 Packers all time: Rodgers, Favre, Don Hutson, Bart Starr, Reggie White.
• Ocho’s toughest cover: Darrelle Revis (“that 2009 season against Revis, it was very difficult”) [55:43].
• Joe Hayden’s: Albert Lewis.
• Quick-hitting fantasy advice and light-hearted banter about gambling debts, boxing, and sibling rivalries.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On player contracts and risk:

  “When you play this game here, Ocho, you don’t know… am I done for a week, am I done for a month, am I done for the season? Or is it over for…” – Joe Hayden [05:24]

• On overcoming failure:

  “I cannot forget about that Sunday game until I play another game.” – Joe Hayden [08:51]

• On tough locker room meetings:

  “If you take care of the campfire, it don’t become a brush fire.” – Joe Hayden [30:50]

• On coaching personalities:

  “I’m gonna treat all y’all fair, but I ain’t gonna treat you all the same.” – Joe Hayden [34:28]

• On veterans and leadership:

  “Everybody isn’t motivated or coached the same way.” – Joe Hayden [37:24]

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Timestamped Table of Major Topics

| Topic | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------------|-----------------| | George Pickens, WR market, attitudes | 02:42 – 04:41 | | Injury news, fighting for contracts | 05:07 – 06:30 | | CeeDee Lamb’s drops and 24-hr rule | 07:26 – 11:02 | | Mahomes, film study, Super Bowl nerves | 14:10 – 17:27 | | Gronk’s Chiefs criticism, Patriots hypocrisy | 20:22 – 25:21 | | Dolphins’ team meetings, honesty in locker rooms | 25:49 – 33:44 | | Coaching players based on personality | 34:00 – 37:35 | | Dolphins’ rebuild scenario | 38:19 – 40:14 | | Rodgers chasing Favre/Brady | 43:12 – 45:21 | | Cam Ward, rookie leadership | 45:55 – 47:44 | | Q&A: Packers, fantasy, toughest defenders | 47:45 – 56:17 |

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Summary

This episode provides listeners with a rare mix of locker room authenticity, pro athlete psychology, and sharp NFL analysis. Shannon, Joe, and Ocho keep it real on what happens after key mistakes, how leadership and culture are tested, and why honesty and resilience matter more than any media narrative. Whether it's tough conversations, film review, rehab from injuries, or the grind toward records, the show makes it clear: real progress comes from ownership, brotherhood, and never getting too high or too low.

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Transcript

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Great attitude. I told you we had that talk. You ain't gonna have no issue. I guarantee I put that on anything after George Pickens that I had that conversation and we had that talk. He's watching all his other colleagues and at the receiver position get paid when he should be right in line, if God already gotten paid with them. And he's had to wait a little bit longer now because of some issues that he's had. Boy, he gonna be quiet as a mouse. He gonna do everything he's supposed to do, and he should coming his way. He gonna be blocking. He ain't gonna be loafing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If. If the.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If the. If there's a pass route, he gonna take whatever he needs to do to open up somebody else. No selfishness. He's gonna be selfless and guarantee you his. His numbers are gonna come, his catch is gonna come, and he. They gonna get the ball to him. They gonna get. They gonna get it to him in just one week.

[Joe Hayden]

But, you know, Ojo, it's kind of hard. I mean, look, you had that, and it was like, you know what? Maybe you just need a change of scenery. You go to a different scenery and you behave in the same manner. Then all of a sudden, people like, it ain't. It ain't the scenery, it's you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, the leash is short. On. The leash is short because there's too many receivers coming, coming in every single.

[Joe Hayden]

Year that they don't miss your money.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Up, go and take your spot.

[Joe Hayden]

Nope. Don't mess. Don't. Don't mess. Your man how big? Big. Probably about 24. Man gonna get this brand pick, man gonna get. Hey, ain't no reason by the time you 30 you shouldn't have 70. 50. $70 million. Still 50. Let's just say on the low end, 50 mil. Yes, you should have 50 mil.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Especially in today's game with the kind of money you're getting paid. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Get that money. Get your money, Pick. Don't fool around. I understand you want your catches, but, hey, guess, hey, all you can do is get open. Yeah, they watch the tape.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

They telling that, hey, throw this ball to Pick.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Just put it on tape.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Joe Hayden]

They.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They'll see it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey. Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's been.

[Joe Hayden]

What happened?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Austin Eckler tore his acl.

[Joe Hayden]

His ACL or Achilles?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Achilles. I'm sorry.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm sorry.

[Chad Ochocinco]

His Achilles. It was. It was again. Here we go. Non. Non contact injury.

[Joe Hayden]

Damn, man, I feel bad. Feel bad. You just. Hey, just got. That's what I'm saying, that when you play this game here, Ocho, you don't know. You step on the field, you don't know if you're gonna limp off it or that. Or am I done for a week, am I done for a month, am I done for the season? Or is it over for, you know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So now you see. And people that. People in the chat. Now you see why players continue to fight for their money and don't want to go on the field, don't want to practice. And at times it seems selfish, but when stuff like this happens and you don't have that security blanket to fall back on because you understand how franchises and owners and teams treat you, once you get hurt, they don't value you the same. They don't.

[Joe Hayden]

They don't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They'll never say it publicly. They never say it publicly. But you just heard from owner and Jerry Jones on how he felt about having to pay a player that missed games. He just told you that. They all think it, but they will never say it out loud. Jerry just happens to be one that put it to the forefront on what they always think, but just never say.

[Joe Hayden]

That's why I tell guys, look, your first contract, get as much money as you can. Got cool now if you want to. But don't let them put you in the. Say, well, you don't care about winning because they're going to frame that narrative.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

And then you hear fans. And then fans like, he don't care about winning. But if you watch. If you watch that Jerry Jones documentary, how did Fox come up with this, The NFC package? Because CBS wanted a discount. And a lot of the other owners said because they were the first TV rights, we want to give them a discount. Jerry Jones said, absolutely not. If somebody wants to pay full price, they're going to get. We got. CBS is not getting a discount. That's how Fox. Fox was just a news network. The Fox had the Simpsons. The. They had a living color.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

That's what Fox had. And guess what happened? They got the NFC package.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

They made somebody pay the market price, the going rate, but they tell you, we can't win. We can't win if you don't take a dis. Look here. Like I say all the time, sharing an HR. We want to hire shared in HR, but we need you to take a $20,000 pay cut. Sharon ain't getting that job at all. Not. Not if I got to take a 25 pay cut. Nah. Nope. So hold on. CD staying with the Cowboys thing. CD Lamb said he didn't sleep much over the weekend. The drops against the Eagles bothered him. I'd rather nobody else but myself be in those situations. I came up short once. We'll see the rest. Trust me, I thought about it. I've dwelled on it. I've done everything that you possibly could, that you possibly could imagine about this game. For all those that feel like they feel worst about the game to me, you're absolutely wrong.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Of course, as you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

As.

[Joe Hayden]

As the receiver, you already beat yourself up. CD Move on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You good? You good? Listen, stuff like that, a game like that, drop like that, 24 hours. Unc. There's a 24 hour rule on something like that. You have a bad game, you have 24 hours to dwell on it. You watch the film, do what you need to do in the week in practice, and you go out the following week and you make up for it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. You got to get back on the field. It's either said to D. You and I, we. We both been there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

I cannot forget about that Sunday game until I play another game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And you know what they need to do. I'm not sure who's calling the plays.

[Joe Hayden]

For the Cowboys, but Schottenheimer calls the play.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The head coach Schottenheimer because. Because of the drops. You want to get the ball to see the early. And it doesn't have a little screen, a little smoke. Just let him, let him touch it early so he gets himself in rhythm. And you know, you know what happens to. To the body and in your confidence when you touch the ball early.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Young. Oh yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You lock.

[Joe Hayden]

Give it to me early. You have me late.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But the whole game, just, just let me touch it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. And so. And we've been there. Not to the. I haven't dropped like, had games where I've had like multiple drops. Ocho. You know what I'm saying? Like that. But I've had a game where I've had a big drop.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

And, and, and even the next game, and it was years. It wasn't until I got back in that situation again and I made the plate that I finally found. I finally felt that I had made up for what I had lost. And so it took that to be in a situation that was even bigger. AFC Championship game, third and six, lost momentum, backed up to make a play.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, I'm good now.

[Joe Hayden]

I felt like I've arrived. All the pro bowls that I had gone through, up and up, gone to up until that point, all the all pro teams, it did, it didn't make, it didn't ease my mind until I made a play in the moment that I was like, okay, this makes up for the. Can't make up for it. OO but now I pushed it way down.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

So now it's not at the front of the low, is way at the back. There's a lot of other things good that I can think of before I get to this. This one thing that I let down because it's tough, man. When you put the kind of time that we put in and you go through what we go through, the mental preparation, the studying the. The. The work on the field, to work off the field, to be the absolute best that you can and the more you put into it, I promise you, Chad, I don't know what you put into or what you're invested in. If it's your marriage, if you put so much time and you love that other person and it doesn't work out, you damn right it hurts.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

To unto unravel what we put together for 10, 15, 20 years. So when you put in what somewhat what I put in to be the absolute best I can do, B. And when I don't, when I come up short, it hurt. Oh, yeah, it hurt. And the more you invest in something, the more hurt you feel from it when it doesn't go according. And so CD, I know what you're going through, bro. I absolutely 1000% know what you're going through. But if anybody can overcome it, him you ain't. You can.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Now I can honestly say. Oo, the game that we lost to the, the Jags, I've never watched it. No, no, me, nothing to watch. I, I was gonna get anything from it. All I was gonna do is break up TVs. That's all I was gonna do. I was gonna learn nothing from that game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right, right, right, right.

[Joe Hayden]

But I, I, I, I get what he said. I get what he said. You know, sometimes, you know, that's the only game that I, that we've lost that I have no desire to see.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And you also understand that a quarterback that has had the kind of success Patrick Mahomes has had, you know, he's a, what's the word you call someone that's always in the film room? Always, always watching film? I, I'm trying to.

[Joe Hayden]

He's a student of the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, a student of the game. But it's something, there's something else they, something else they call, you know, players like that, that have early success. It, it's such an early point in period in their career. God, I can't remember. Oh man, it's gonna come to me. But you know, he's one of those that goes back, he beats himself up behind closed doors and looking at the mistakes he made. So when he gets that opportunity to play that team again, it's only week two, but still when he gets the opportunity to play that team again, he, he makes sure the mistakes he made the first time, he doesn't make them again now, there's really not nothing, there's nothing he can do with that defensive line he had to deal with in the Super Bowl.

[Joe Hayden]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And nothing, do nothing.

[Joe Hayden]

Well, you better hope his offensive line is better or he gonna have the same situation again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Again. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Joe Hayden]

If his offensive line now, you know, they just signed Zadarius Smith. Jalen Carter didn't get suspended, the NFL said because he didn't play in the game, that served as his expansion.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Joe Hayden]

They basically take, they're going to take his game, check what he made.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Joe Hayden]

So they'll take that from him. But it's like, no, he was punished. And I, and I get it. Yeah, I, I get it. Not Playing in the game. Was that punishment? Had he done it in the game, they probably would have suspended him. I feel very comfortable that they would have suspended him. But it was like, okay, we're gonna move. We're gonna move on with this. But obviously they. They had a long conversation with us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They.

[Joe Hayden]

Something like this happens again, we're gonna drop the hammer on you. It's gonna be more than one game. It won't be one game. It'll be more than one game. And the Eagles. Because the Eagles could avoided some of his contract. But they like, no, we're not gonna do that. But let that be a lesson now. Let's not. Let's not have something like this because not only do you make yourself and your family look bad, you make this organization. You make Mr. Lur looks bad.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

So let's. Let's not have another situation like that. But you're right, Ocho. If his offensive line doesn't protect him any better than what they protected him, we're gonna have the same type of outcome.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Be a long day.

[Joe Hayden]

It absolutely will.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's gonna be a long day because.

[Joe Hayden]

At the end of the day, you gotta have protection. I don't care what who the quarterback is. Without protection, he gonna be average.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You make.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Make everybody look human.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. You. You're absolutely correct. But it's going to be a big game. I think Fox is taking their show on the road. They're going to have their crew. Kurt and T.B. stray, Howie. I think all those guys are going to be on location to tell you the magnitude of this game. So it's early season is like. But Eagles are what people believe they're going to be. People still believe no matter what. Kansas City still the king of the castle in the afc. Yeah. So we. But you're getting. You're getting. I forgot lost my train of thought. Oo. It's early in the season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

And I don't. You know, you don't want to put too much emphasis one way or another. You don't want to make it seem like you go to 02. Philly. Philly's definitely not thinking they're the king of the NFC just because they're 2. Zero. They know they got a lot of work to do. Kansas City is like okay. Owing to. But. But like you said, if anybody can overcome it, they, they. We've seen Kansas City look vulnerable before.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

And somehow find a way to be in Super Bowls. And we didn't think. And not only be their win. Yeah. How the hell did they do that given what we saw throughout the entirety.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Of the season, especially beginning of the season, that's why. That's why I said, when it comes to the Chiefs, their month is their September and October. It ain't too pretty. It never has been. And they always been the topic of conversation. One year is the receiver dropping balls, the next year it is losing Tyreek. It's always something, some type of dialogue on something not going right with the Kansas City Chiefs with. When it doesn't even matter. But when it matters most, they always, for some reason end up going in the party. They always at the party when it matter, when it. When it's time, right?

[Joe Hayden]

Gronk gets called out for being hypocritical on Patrick Mahomes and the Chief. Gronk criticized the Chief stating, if you punch these guys in the face, they're going to fold. What I was surprised about, when things aren't going their way, they start struggling a little bit. They start yelling at each other and they blame. They blame. The blame game starts going on. You can see it on the sideline, and that's not a good situation. You want to come together when you're down. You want things that when they aren't going your way, you want to see them starting to point fingers is not a good sign. Many on social media, they're calling out Gronk for seeming to forget that Tom Brady was the exact same way. Ocho, is Gronk out of line for calling the Chiefs out of saying the Chiefs. That Patriots didn't have the issues that the Chiefs are having.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The issues that the Chiefs are having, the Patriots have had as well.

[Joe Hayden]

True.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They just been able to mask it much better. They've been able to mask it much better. Every team has the same issues, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

All of them. I remember when Jonah Gray, you remember that Sunday night game. Ocho, he had like, he played against the patriots, he had 199 yards with AFC Player of the week. He ended up fumbling. And Coach Belichick cut it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, you out of there, man. Belichick play that when it come to turnovers, man.

[Joe Hayden]

And I like, I don't think they was pointing fingers. They were saying, CJ, in this situation, why would you go inside? It's third and 14. Why would you go inside and give up that now if you, if you told the D line, hey, hey, bro, check this out. I'm gonna go inside. You stood all the way outside. So I' ma replace you. You replace me. Okay, fine. But you did it. You did that upon yourself. And you left us vulnerable. So I don't have a problem. That. Because nobody should be too big to be called out. And that's all. That's all tranquil. Was saying, bro, you can't do that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Why would you go. Why would you go inside? And CJ said, hey, trying to make a play. My bad. Learn from it. Move on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Joe Hayden]

He understand cj. No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. He.

[Joe Hayden]

He knows that he should not have done that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

If he gonna do something like that, too, unc. Because at times, you think about conversations, communicate. Yes. Game. When it comes to the back end, as a corner in the safety, as a corner. If you want to do something, if you want to gamble, you got to let your safety know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You to have my back. Have some type of signal. Have some type of something with Chris Jones. He need to talk to that backer. Hey, say, listen, I'm gonna go inside. Wherever I leave from, I need you to get my back.

[Joe Hayden]

Right? But he can't, because it's a passing place. So he got cover. He got. He. He got space because he goes inside. Now you got to tell your DT we gotta. Hey, bro, let's run. Let's run a te.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm gonna cut you.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, you. I'm gonna replace you. You replace me. So now we got some. We got somebody in the alley. But if you go look at it, the moment he goes inside, Justin Herbert say thank you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm out the back, though.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm out the back, though. Yeah. Yeah, you slide down.

[Joe Hayden]

First down. That was the ball game. Yeah, that's the ball game. And so. And. And that's. And that's the thing. That. That's the. That's what you're running to do. I believe Chris Jones have. Have gone inside before and gotten a sack. Yep. Do I believe guys have done things and. And. And gotten rewarded for it? Yep. But here's the thing, Ocho. When you don't. When you don't get rewarded for it, it's like, hey, it's like they say. I think they said the average person drives somewhere between 100 and 150 times drunk before they actually get caught once. Let that sink in now, Ocho. 100 to 150 times before they get caught once. So how many times have CJ done that, got rewarded for? It's just this one time that people like, bro, why would you do that? He's done it before.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Joe Hayden]

But I love the fact that, hey. He owned it. Said, hey, yeah, I'll make up for it this Week I'll make up. I got the work cut out for it. Because the Eagles, they offensive line, they good, good.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They the best in the NFL.

[Joe Hayden]

They good, they good. You got to be on your best behavior. They don't play. Hey, they got them two tackles that the number one rated left tackle, the number one rated right tackle. Now they, Dickerson is out, so we'll see. Can they take advantage of that, those guards, Mai Beckton is not there anymore, Dickerson is out. So we, we, we'll see if they could, if CJ can take advantage of those, that guard play. But those tackles, Lane, Johnson and my lotta ain't to be messed with, man, not to be messed with. But look, we've seen Brady call players out. We've seen him call things out. People say the same thing about the Patriots. If you hit them in the mouth, they lost. Why? Because you had to get physical with them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Very physical.

[Joe Hayden]

That's, I mean that's, that's the rule of thumb. When you dealing with a team that has a quarterback like that, what is it? You attack Brady, hit Brady. The Eagles, how did they beat him? Hit Brady. The Giants, how did they beat him? Hit Brady.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Also if you want, if you want to be the, if you want to be Tom Brady team, he is the head of the snake, shot the head off.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You got to rattle him the best way you can.

[Joe Hayden]

Absolutely. After getting whipped coast week one, the Dolphins had a players only meeting. Linebacker Jordan Brooks, one of Miami six captains. Losing the way we did week one can be discouraging. Outside noise, people talking, fans talking, family talking, whoever else is talking. Yeah, everybody talking, but just kind of making sure that everybody's together. Well, when you lose like that, it's easy for people to get discouraged and start looking, questioning maybe yourself or others. So just making sure that we're all locked back in and making sure that, that we believe that the belief is still there. You lose belief, you don't have nothing. So making sure that everybody is still on the same page. Come back stronger. Come back next week stronger. OO. How many team meetings have you ever had.

[Chad Ochocinco]

After week one? None.

[Joe Hayden]

Have y' all ever had a t? Have you ever had team meeting?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, absolutely. Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, remember I only had one winning season in 11 years.

[Joe Hayden]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We've had team meetings to make sure we don't splinter, you know, But I after those meetings, still, things still didn't go well. And when it comes to the Dolphins, you could have 200 meetings. You could come in there and do all the Talking you want, but what you have to do is on Sundays, on offense and defense, you have to execute the X's and O's. That's all it down to. The meeting is cool. You know that. That's cool. To make sure everybody's on the. Of course everybody's on the same page. You have to be. When you turn the goddamn film on, if you're not on the same page, you're not doing your specific job to help stay a team, it's gonna show correct. You know, the meeting is cool. You know, that's. To me, that's very performative. You know, way let's get together, let's talk. All that talking don't mean nothing, man. Put your helmet on and use your pads. That's it, everybody. A team game, team effort is each individual. All 11 players doing their individual job when all 11 are working in one accord. The win on every down. That's where the team comes from. That's where the winning concept comes from. It ain't hard, it ain't rocket science. It's a very simple concept. Execute the X's nose. No matter what's called. Win your individual battle. If you got to get open, get your ass open as fast as possible. Get from point A to point B and get open for your quarterback as fast as possible. If you supposed to hit the A gap, you hit that goddamn A gap. Simple discipline.

[Joe Hayden]

I can launch. We had one meeting and everybody know the meeting that we had after the Monday night game against San Francisco with the Romanowski situation. And we didn't always win, but we felt we had. We had to have a team meeting. And it was more so about that. It wasn't so much.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

And we had lost four straight games. We had lost four straight games. I mean, we had ended up losing. We ended up had. Losing the division. We got up. I think we started like 11 and one and then we lose three straight games. Now we gotta wait. We beat Seattle last game, so we finished 12 and 4. We lost on a 57 yard field goal as time expired to Kansas City. We lost to Pittsburgh, we lost in San Francisco. And then that happened.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

So I'm not so sure. Even though we lost those three games, if that incident didn't happen with, with Romo and jj.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't think we'd had a team meeting. I don't. I don't. But there were some things that I. That we. That I had started to see and everybody else has started to see that was. That was bothering us. But nobody wanted to call a team meeting, Right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Did they.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, after. After you guys had the meeting, did anything change?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, we locked in. We won the Super Bowl.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, hey, hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I got another question. If you didn't have that meeting, I think you probably still would have won the Super Bowl.

[Joe Hayden]

Nah, we had started a fracture. It was. We had started a fracture that ish. That happened. We bothered a lot of people.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Mainly me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I got you. I got you.

[Joe Hayden]

It was just irking me. And there was a lot of things that started to happen offensively and defensively that, you know, we had started letting slip through the cracks. Guys started was bull job when, you know, we let. You know, you let things go, right? And you're like, okay, he'll correct it and you let it go. Okay, he'll correct it and you let it go. And all of a sudden it start. Which. Well, you ain't correct him. Why are you looking at me? You ain't correct him. Why are you looking at me? So little things started to become big, and that's why. That's why you take care of little things before they become big.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Big. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

If you. If you take care of the campfire, it don't become a brush fire. And that's what we had allowed to happen. We had had a little campfire, and because we didn't address it, because we didn't put it out, we were able to get it under control. Ocho. And we ended up taking care and doing what we were supposed to do, but we had very strong leadership. And I. I just remember, it's like, bro, this it. We're not having another meeting. I don't give a damn if. If the a storm come through and blow the roof out the building. We're not meeting again. So what. Whatever is on your mind.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It now.

[Joe Hayden]

Say it now. Whatever.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey.

[Joe Hayden]

Hey, nobody. Hey, I hope you got your arm on, because it's gonna get ugly.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

You know what? You. That may bother me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You.

[Joe Hayden]

You've been bull driving a long time. You act like you don't even care, right? Giving up touchdowns, walking off the field, fumbling balls. Oh, yeah, that's the thing. When you see. When you have a team meeting and you say, hey, get it off your chest.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Everybody fair game. Yeah, everything is fair game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, those are. Those are some uncomfortable conversations. Very, very uncomfortable conversations. What happened, Jordan?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What happened? What happened? What happened?

[Joe Hayden]

As you were trying to get George attention and then George said, but what happened? No, it's. It is. It is. Ocho, it is very uncomfortable conversation because a lot of things that were said in the meeting, you wouldn't know. A lot of times, Ocho, we say things in a joking manner, but there's truth in jokes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Always.

[Joe Hayden]

Always. You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Hey, ma', am, My sister would have caught that one. Dang, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's how you feel?

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. I see you wore your Tim's today, huh? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? Hey, you said things in a. In a joking, laughing manner because. But everybody can't take things, you know? Like I said, Ocho, sometimes. Sometimes you can joke with people. You got to know who to joke with, who not to joke with.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes. Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

Some guys you got to ride. You got the mofo. Them you got. You got to really be on them, right? And then they get it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Joe Hayden]

Some guys you got to pat on the back, say, come on, now. We know you better than that now, son. Come on, you. Could you. Could I. Hey, I ain't worried about you. I know that ain't gonna happen again.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Joe Hayden]

All the while you said, I hope it don't happen again. I'm gonna put my foot in your ass. You know what I'm saying? Some guys you have to talk to accordingly. But you gotta know who to talk to. You've been around these guys. You've observed them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

See how they. How they move. So you know who you can and can't talk to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Joe Hayden]

Somebody you talk to the wrong way is a fight.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They'll snap on you.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That also goes for coaching. I think that's what makes the best coaches. Coaches that know how to coach that way and know how to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Get the. Maximize the potential of each player by knowing who to coach hard and who not to. How to navigate around which players you can coach hard and which players you need to kind of.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ease them into it.

[Joe Hayden]

Coach Davis always tell us at Savannah State, he say, I'm gonna treat all y' all fair, but I ain't gonna treat you all the same.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I like that.

[Joe Hayden]

And, you know, you understood. You know, I. Look, a lot of times Mike would. Would coach it through me because he would ride me harder than he would any other other star player. Okay. And Cool was like, hey, you know, the boss don't mean anything by that. I said, cool. I'm just gonna do my job. I just do my job, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Joe Hayden]

Just let me do my job. All that other. All that other stuff, as long as you ain't cursing me. That mofo. That's. Nah, like I said, that's the only thing I had a problem with. That's the only thing I. I ain't got no problem with you coaching me. I ain't got no problem with you coaching me hard. But when you start calling me something Mary Porter ain't never called me, then you and I gonna have a problem. My mom will pull you to the side. Now it happens again, okay, we gonna have a problem. So you. You said. So basically you said, you don't care what I say. Cause I told you that's a. I. I got a problem with that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Joe Hayden]

I don't mind you coaching me, but you not fitting to mofo me. You not fitting to sob me and all that. You dumb. You stood not. That's not what you're gonna do. So I had no problem with. And, and, and. And then once we, you know, because I. I remember when I went to Baltimore, Ocho as a free agent and, you know, talked to, you know, I flew back on the plane with Mr. Model because he happened to be down there with that 2000 situation. So I took the plane back with him, had a great conversation. I remember Ozzy met us at the facility. Cause we flew into the airport, the driver picked us up, took us back to facility, and then Ozzy ended up taking me to the hotel. And he told Ozzy, said, ozzy, I got. I already got this deal. Don't you eff it up. Okay, all right, all right. I got it. I got it from here. So I went to breakfast with Shaq Harris and Ozzy. And so I met with Brian. Met with Brian Billick. And he's like, you know, Ozzy had already told me, said, we want you to be you. Be you. We want you to be a. We don't tell people. We don't tell guys. They can't do this and they can't do that. Just be you. So when I went in there and talked to Brian, he's like, you know, hey, how you doing? We love to have. Love to have you. We think, you know, you're what we need. You were the missing ingredients, you know, guy that can make plays a better relief. We all that. He says, you know, coaching. I said, coach, I ain't got no problem being coached. I said, but you can't curse me. Can't do that. Yeah, this is okay. Say, coach me. I don't got no problem. You corrected me in front of the team. I ain't got no problem with you correcting me. On the field, you gonna lose me or I'm gonna lose it on you if you curse me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Joe Hayden]

We ain't had no problems.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Never had no problems. And so that's why I said you have to know how to talk to certain people, Ocho, because every. You. Everybody isn't motivated or coach the same way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right.

[Joe Hayden]

And I think the Brady Belichick was a prime example. He wanted appreciation. Coach Belichick felt that he had to keep him in his place by saying that Tom is no better than the special teams guy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right? Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

And I think a part of him, even though Tom realized that it made him better, I think he, like, come on, Coach, can you say, I did. I did do something good, right. Without saying everybody played well or some X, Y, and Z did good also. But that was. That was my only thing, Ocho. That was my only thing. But let me ask you this.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

The Dolphins. Let's just say for the sake of our argument, after three, four weeks, this thing doesn't get turned around. Oh, now, now you the Dolphin. You the general manager.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

What you gonna do, O.J.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We got.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We gotta. We gotta make moves. We got to make moves. We have to make moves. We have to think about 26, 27, and 28. We got to think about the foreseeable future. How do we transition and turn the team around. We are officially in rebuild mode. We're officially in rebuild mode. You know, we got. We got to dump a few things. We got to bring a few things in. We have to get some picks for the future. And how do we do that? By letting some of our valuable assets go.

[Joe Hayden]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Getting money off the books, you got to get.

[Joe Hayden]

You got to get draft capital.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. You got.

[Joe Hayden]

And you the guy that can probably get you the most draft capital is Tyreek.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, man.

[Joe Hayden]

Maybe Chub Phillips. I'm trying to look at guys that you, that. That you're probably not gonna want to get rid of Waddle and Tyreek, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No.

[Joe Hayden]

You got to have somebody to throw the damn ball. Right. I don't think you're gonna get the value for the quarterback if you were to try to move him. So you might be stuck with him, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

And I think. I think you agree with me on that. I think they stuck with him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

A six foot quarterback with multiple concussions that can't. That's injury prone. Ain't a whole. Ain't a big market out there for a guy like that, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And listen, ain't a big market for quarterbacks. At all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't a big market.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, there's a. There's a big market if you ain't got one. Oh yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But finding.

[Joe Hayden]

But I don't. But that one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Finding a feasible one.

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. Hard.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's the hard part. Yeah, everybody. Can't be Green Bay, huh?

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Oo yeah, maybe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I, I can't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Can we, can we see him? If you have a performance like today. How many more times can we get a, a four touchdown game from him in a 17 game season? I think it's possible. Yeah, possible because of, because of his arm talent, because of the play calling. They know what he can and they know what he can do. The way DK Metcalf played in that first game, they absolutely can do it. They absolutely can do it. The way Aaron Rodgers was facilitating the ball to everyone, all receivers, all tight ends, everybody touched the ball, everybody contributed to that offensive production. So there's a good, there's a good chance, you know they can't do it. You know if and if Aaron Rodger goes on a run and that, that confidence starts, starts seeping in and they, they going, they get on a good role offensively he definitely can do it.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, but you guys, that's 649.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's high.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's a lot.

[Joe Hayden]

That's a, that might be a four year total. I don't think he wants to play that long. I could be wrong and I may it all Depends on how this. I mean, and how you think. And once you get to a certain year, a certain age and a certain total.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, Joe, you take it one year at a time, man. This, this man got 649 with a missed season. Remember he missed the 2008 season Ocho with that injury.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Joe Hayden]

Wow. The number one. The number one over. The number for the number one over. Pick hand. WAR debut don't look great. But. But they failed to tell the whole story. WAR completion rate was affected by mistakes from a head coach, plus several drops by receiving corps. The quarterback, however, hasn't lost confidence in his receiver. I'm never going to get. Get on those guys for dropping the ball. I'm going to throw a pick at some point in the season, so bad plays are going to happen. The biggest thing is when we get back to the huddle, we've always have to have the next play mentality. I'm not too worried about that. Those boys are going to catch the ball. I agree. I love that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

That's why, See, that's why I don't. I get upset when Coke when quarterbacks try to show the receiver up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

You ran the wrong route or you did this. When you throw a pick, I'm gonna be like, hey, you ain't got on that uniform.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

Why you throwing him the ball?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know, okay, you can, you can tell Cam Waters polish, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

Very.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's very. He's very polished. Now, I'm not talking about the way he plays the quarterback position. It's the things he says outside of the game. It's. He says to the media and already knowing, you know what? Calvin really. He's caught a lot of balls. Cal really scored a lot of touchdowns. He's gonna have games where he dropped balls, but he g. Also have games where he makes those plays. So. I'm gonna make mistakes too. I'm. I'm gonna have my faults, I'm gonna have my flaws as a quarterback. It's gonna happen. So why am I going to get on him when things don't go well? But yeah, they're gonna be all right. They. They gonna. They gonna. They definitely gonna be all right. But Cam Ward is acting like a savvy vent. Like you've been playing Marina four or five years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

They like guys when, when guys speak beyond their years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Joe Hayden]

This is a 5, 6, 7 year vet speaking. He's a rookie.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

He gets it. He understands. All right, Ocho, it's time for our final Segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You need to tell everybody we back on.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, we gonna tell them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Joe Hayden]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now you got me. I got my outfit laid out for tomorrow already.

[Joe Hayden]

Congratulations to your brother on getting his hall of fame ring. Ocho, I don't know why you want to fight Andre Ward. If so, I'll be on Nightcap with Unc.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, no, no, no. I'm gonna be all right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, me.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Listen, we tell. I talked to Turkey. I talked to Turkey tonight. Oh, I had a conversation with him. I talked to Dana White. Dana White liked the idea. As you. As you heard him say on the show, I won't say no, but I won't say yes. So anytime you hear someone like that, that's in a position of power to make something happen, you know, he understands. He understands the, the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The fight. It can be the excitement that it would bring, you know, to the. The sport of boxing or combat sports in general. Having one of the best from one sport, know, transition into another one that takes it serious. You can't play boxing. So therefore I probably am going to beat the. Out of Andre Ward. I'm probably gonna whoop his ass, and that's how I feel.

[Joe Hayden]

Abraham Yang said, go Pack. Go. I wish my younger brother would talk about me like you talk about Sterling. I'm sorry, bro. I get that a lot. I get that a lot. My mom says a lot of people ask her say they wish their kids were. Was as close as my brother and I. I mean, we grew up with each other. We were all we had. My sister, the oldest, she did the best job she could, made sure we had what she had when she would, you know, when she was working. We just been close. That's the way our grandmother raised us. Tyron said, what's up, Uncle? No, Joe. Who are your top five? Packers all time. Oh, my goodness. Obviously you gotta go far. And Rogers. Don Houston, Don Hudson. Excuse me, Don Hudson. That'll be three.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Reggie White.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah. And then you gotta go probably star, Bart Star. You got Jim Taylor, you got Ray Nitsky. I mean, you got a lot of guys. That's that, you know, that's the hall of Fame from that. Those. Those championship teams of the 60s.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

You know, people don't remember, but James Lofton played for the Packers. But I, I would definitely think you have to go Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre, Don Hudson. I would go Bart Starr. And I'll go Reggie White.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, that's a good list.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's so Many J Dub Acker said.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, who you got one on one? Leo at 65 or Ocho at 47 with one eye? Glad to see Sterling get that ring. Long overdue, man. How old, Leo? Hold on. I was. Leo was 27 when I was 18, so 9.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Joe Hayden]

So Leo be 6, about 66. You probably right. I think, Lou. I think, I think I, I, I think Ocho will move. So I think. Oh, I think OO might get it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, man, you.

[Joe Hayden]

You see.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, you probably ain't see the clip, man. I, I posted on my Instagram when I, I saw Shakur.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

First thing he say, you feel like going to the gym.

[Joe Hayden]

Man? That, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, you see, you matter of fact, see, you know how I always be on here talking about training, boxing, and.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That opportunity to sit with all of them, and what's the first thing they all told you?

[Joe Hayden]

They said, you get that with them. You get that work.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I've never been in the ring with all of them. Now, they not. They not turning up. But, you know, once they step inside the ring, they don't play no games, right? They. They gonna work. So it's at times it become over. It becomes overwhelming when we get to, like, round four or five.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, my God. But, yeah, I've been in there with everybody.

[Joe Hayden]

Babble. Patel said, Ocho. Ocho paid that 5,900 yet? No.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, I got, I got you right now. I'm working on it. I'm working on it.

[Joe Hayden]

Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cause, hey, I played blackjack. I played blackjack. I don't know what the hell I'm doing, but the dealer help you, and the people sitting next to you help you. The first night I was here, I won 500. The second night, I came back the second night and hit him for another 700. And I'm only playing a 25 table.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, no. Your name must be Jack, and you plenty black. So that's the only blackjack you that still ain't close to my 5900. You won 1200.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I know, but listen, I won 1200. That's why I'm drinking. I'm drinking my little energy drink right now.

[Joe Hayden]

Oh, you'll go back downstairs right now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm gonna get your money. I ain't gonna pay with your money like that because you. You might do. You might want to do something to me, and then I'm gonna have to hurt you.

[Joe Hayden]

I don't want it. You know, I don't. I don't want it to come to that. You know, the wood Said Ocho, I messaged you yesterday about the jersey for my birthday on Instagram. Twin, don't do me like that. Don't do. Don't do. Don't do me like you do. Unk by this money.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, I got you, Twin. I got you. I got you. I promise you, baby. I gotta send somebody a jersey. Remind me to check my Instagram for it, please. All right, bet. See, Twin, I got you. I got you.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm on top of that money making G said ug. Y' all can ask them pay up Ocho shirts tonight cap shop. So we can help you get your 50900 back. Bank say she should do it. Go to Miami. We'll take it. He can't go nowhere. Cleveland got his rights. Kim Valentino Cowboys beat Queen Bay week four. Well, he ain't gonna have a whole lot of time to throw the ball at all.

[Chad Ochocinco]

At all.

[Joe Hayden]

Rinsey Flim said, would you rather start Ricky Piersol or Q. Johnson? This week for fantasy? Saints gave up 163 passing yards. Raiders gave up 276. And now Brock Bowers is out. Man, but look at. Oh, Mac Jones.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, but hey, listen, if Mac Jones is playing, right.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You know what they gonna do with Ricky?

[Joe Hayden]

They're gonna feed him. They.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You got to feed him. You got.

[Joe Hayden]

You're gonna make. You're gonna be. Without you. Without. Possibly without Jennings, you. Without you and Kittle. Yeah, they're gonna feed him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You got to put him in position, defeat him. You got to.

[Joe Hayden]

I'm starting Quentin Johnson. A Brisbane between the Chiefs, Ravens and Lions, who is the most trouble with an 02 start?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Shoot. Honestly, even all three teams he just named, even with an O2 start, ain't none of them in trouble.

[Joe Hayden]

Yeah, they could. They can. They can dig out of it. I think the thing. Look, Lions. If Lions go O2, they have one division loss. Everybody already has. So everybody would have lost one game within the division. The Chiefs would have lost one game to the Chargers, The Lions would have lost one game to the Bears, and the Ravens would have lost one game to the Browns. I don't think I. I agree with Ocho. I don't think any of them would be in big trouble. Bag on head guys. Can you tell us who were a couple of guys that were tough matchups for you and why? I mean, Albert Lewis was the toughest matchup for me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You Albert Lewis?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, for me. For me, I probably Reavis easily. Yeah, that 222009 season against Reavis, it was very difficult Obviously that front four was phenomenal. But even without that front four, what Reus was able to do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nice.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nice. If, if I see, if I see him, if I see him today, first thing I always say, hey, man, we need to line it up. I need my get back. I need my get back. I don't know what, where we going to do it at. We could do one on one. Just, we just need to line up.

[Joe Hayden]

That concludes this episode of Nightcap. Guys. Thank you guys for joining us. We really, really appreciate that. Thank you guys that were in the chat with us earlier today as we talked to some the Andre wars talked to Roy Jones Jr. Antonio Tarver, Dana White, Caleb Plant, Fernando Vargas Jr. And senior Jim Gray. Thank all those guys for stopping by, spending a couple of minutes for with us on a, a night cap day cap. So we greatly, greatly appreciate that. Tomorrow we're going, tomorrow we're going to be live from 10 to 12 east coast time, which means from 1 to 3, 10 to 10 to 12. 10 to 12.

[Chad Ochocinco]

10 to 12 west coast time, huh?

[Joe Hayden]

Yes. No, but I'm saying no, that's 1 to 3 East Coast Time. Yes. 10 to 12 Pacific Time, which is 1 to 3 East Coast Time. So yes. So we will have Triple h, Undertaker and Club 520 on tomorrow. That's. Those are confirmed guests. Those are confirmed. Obviously other people will be circling around because today Roy Jones wasn't supposed to be on Fernando Vargas Jr. Season wasn't supposed to be on Antonio Tarver wasn't supposed to be on Caleb Plant. So we just, hey, we see guys and hey, come on over here. Oh yeah, a lot of those guys that I know I've, you know, been talking to Atarv had been texting him, DMing him and what you call him had Roy Jones on Club Head on Club Shae shake early. One of, he was one of the early guests. So that's what we have lined up. Tomorrow we were scheduled to go from, what was it from 3, 3 to 5, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

3, 5.

[Joe Hayden]

You had to go 3 to 5. But now we're going early in the morning so we're going to go 10 to 12 Pacific Time, which is 1 to 3 East Coast Time. Thank you guys for joining us. For Nightcap tonight, Green Bay packers move to two and oh, they take down the Washington Commanders. 27 18. Jordan Love was 19 to 31, 292, two touchdowns, zero interceptions and, and the defense harassed Jaden Daniels all night long. They sacked him four times, but they pressured him more time numerous times at least double digit as far as pressures because Michael Parsons had eight by himself and they win 2718 to move to two and oh, I am your favorite uncle Shannon Sharp, my partner and co host. He's Liberty City's own Bingo's Ring of Fame honoree, Matting's ratings adjuster, former Pro Bowler All Pro. He's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. We'd like to thank you for your support and your continued support. Please check out Shave by La Portier. If you cannot find Shave by La Portier in a city or state near you, order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door. The best tasting Premium BSOP Cognac on the market. We also have a very special limited edition release Celebrate my brother's induction into the Pro Football hall of Fame. He and I became the first brothers to ever selected into the Pro Football hall of Fame and you can see it on your screen here. Screen here is a commemorative edition of Shay La Portier with he and I and and the hall of Fame bus. It's a limited supply so please order yours while you can. Head over to laportierconac.com to grab yours while supplies last. Please go follow my media company page on all of his platforms. That's Shay Shay Media and my clothing company 84. With 84 being spelled out. That link is also pinned in the chat. As we mentioned before, we've launched a new show under the Shay Shay Media umbrella, Debo and Joe, starring James Harrison and Joe Hayden. Please go subscribe to the YouTube page Debo and Joe these air every Monday, Tuesday and Friday at 11am Eastern. That's Debo and Joe Monday, Tuesday and Friday at 11am Eastern. I'm unk he's oo. We'll see you bright and early tomorrow 10 to 12 Pacific Time 1 to 3 East Coast Time out tomorrow. Peace.

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