Nightcap Hour 2: Unc & Ocho react to Raja Jackson violent attack on Syko Stu

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 2

Hosts: Shannon Sharpe & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson
Special Guest: Lecrae
Date: August 25, 2025
Episode Focus:
Unc & Ocho react to Raja Jackson’s violent attack on Syko Stu, plus an in-depth and wide-ranging conversation with Lecrae on faith, hip-hop, and personal growth, and lively sports debates about NFL player rankings, team dynamics, and more.

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Brief Overview

This episode of Club Shay Shay tackles the viral incident of Raja Jackson’s violent attack on Syko Stu during a wrestling event, breaking down what happened and giving candid reactions. The heart of the episode features Grammy-winning rapper Lecrae, who joins Shannon Sharpe and Chad Johnson for a powerful, humorous, and moving conversation about blending faith with hip-hop, navigating misconceptions, personal growth, and staying true to one’s calling. The second hour also treats listeners to Ocho and Unc’s classic dynamic as they passionately debate NFL news, player lists, and the upcoming Kobe biopic.

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[00:00–02:07] – Ads & Intros

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[02:07–38:53] Lecrae Joins: Hip-Hop, Faith, and Life Conversation

Blending Faith with Hip-Hop

• Lecrae’s Origins:

  • Contrary to assumptions, Lecrae did NOT grow up in church:

    “I didn’t grow up in church. I was a free thinker...my mama...she just was like, hey, don’t get caught up in all that religion.” (Lecrae, 03:03)

  • Seen as “an alien” when starting Christian rap—faced skepticism from both faith and hip-hop communities.

• Transformation & Authenticity:

  • Spiritual journey started as an adult, sought to merge his new faith with his love for hip-hop.

    “...when I did meet the Lord, I had a spiritual transformation...How do I combine what I already know in this new revelation?” (Lecrae, 03:28)

  • Relates more to “the jungle” than “the greenhouse” of traditional church:

    “The church is the greenhouse, I like the jungle.” (Lecrae, 04:02)

• On Hip-Hop’s State:

  • Concern over “disposable music” and forgetting history:

    “A lot of it is disposable music...I like when you can take the old and mix it with the new, and then you got something good...” (Lecrae, 04:24)

  • His influences range from Houdini to Tupac, Lil Wayne, Jay-Z, DMX.

• Crossover and Mainstream Acceptance:

  • Early on: Christian hip-hop was marginalized; dubbed a “gospel rapper” diminished his artistry.
  • Eventually won respect—BET Cypher appearance pivotal:

    “Once I had to...do the BET Cypher...they didn’t even know what category to put me in...So then I get on there and I start cutting up, then they like, man dude is raw.” (Lecrae, 06:11)

  • Now, breaking barriers so “the younger dudes behind me, it’s easy for them.”

• Relating to Both Worlds:

  • Sees himself as a “bridge” between old and new schools:

    “I’m little bro to the old school, but I’m big bro to the new school. I’m in the middle of two generations.” (Lecrae, 08:09)

  • “Like Travis Hunter on the field...offense, defense.” (Lecrae, 08:40)

Perception, Misconceptions & Personal Story

• Biggest Misconception about Lecrae:

  • Many expect “church kid” baggage, knowledge of tradition he didn’t grow up with

    “People come in expecting me to know the hymns...I’m not what you think I am...” (Lecrae, 09:26)

  • Faced challenges as a “rapper in the church” and as a Black man advocating for social justice in faith spaces.

• On Sacrifice & Staying True:

  • Speaking openly about faith early on cost him opportunities (e.g., sponsorships, commercial deals)

    “Early on, it was like, I couldn’t get a sponsorship or...I got the number one album in the country...and I can’t get a Verizon deal.” (Lecrae, 15:23)

  • Resisted being boxed in as solely a “gospel rapper,” recounts story at Sacramento Kings practice:

    “Bobby Jackson said, hey, y’all, y’all, gather round. We got us a gospel rapper here today. I was like, oh no...you shouldn’t have said that.” (Lecrae, 15:54)

  • Things have improved, but the journey was a struggle.

• Who Judges You Harder—Pastors or Rappers?

  “Who killed Jesus? The religious people. ...They will crucify you, boy.” (Lecrae, 17:43–18:03)

  • Lecrae distinguishes religion (“rules and duty”) from relationship with God (“love and connection”):

    “I don’t push religion. I push relationship.” (Lecrae, 18:18)

Growth, Discipline, and Relationships

• Receiving His Calling:

  • Spiritual awakening at 19–20, but temptations and setbacks led to deeper maturity:

    “...real life hits you...you start having problems, and then the temptations come along...” (Lecrae, 20:23) “...about 23, I was real serious...” (Lecrae, 22:09)

  • Emphasizes ongoing struggle; “I’m not a Christian ‘cause I got it all together, I’m a Christian because I’m weak and I need a savior.” (Lecrae, 36:08)

• Role Models & Cycle Breaking:

  • Growing up fatherless, present fatherhood is his greatest accomplishment:

    “...the greatest accomplishment for me...is being a present father in my kids lives because I never had that...it’s breaking a cycle.” (Lecrae, 37:35)

• Marriage, Monogamy & Self-Discovery:

  • Discusses how discipline as a single man is essential before marriage.

    “If you looking to find wholeness in another person, you’re gonna fail every time...you need to chill and get yourself whole.” (Lecrae, 32:37)

  • Ocho and Lecrae riff on mutual mentorship—finances for spiritual guidance.

Memorable Quotes

• “We may not condone, but we do not condemn.” (Lecrae, 07:14)
• “I ain’t a Christian ’cause I got it all together. I’m a Christian because I’m weak and I need a savior.” (Lecrae, 36:08)
• “God don’t throw people away. God figure out how to reconstruct them into something better than they was.” (Lecrae, 38:53)

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[43:18–48:25] – Raja Jackson / Syko Stu Wrestling Incident

Overview of the Incident

• Incident Summary:
  • Raja Jackson, MMA fighter, attacked wrestler Syko Stu at a Knox Pro Academy wrestling event, rendering him unconscious.
  • Initial belief was it was “part of the show,” but attack turned very real.
  • LAPD investigating; Rampage Jackson (Raja’s dad) issued a public apology, blaming poor judgment and referencing Raja’s recent concussion.

Hosts React

• “He snapped. He just lost his ability to stop.” (Shannon Sharpe, 48:06)
• Both Unc and Ocho express sympathy for both parties; note dangers of crossing MMA with pro wrestling and the risk of blurring the line between staged and real violence.
• “That’s overkill. What he did was he snapped.” (Shannon Sharpe, 48:06)
• Hope expressed for Stu’s full recovery and Raja getting necessary assistance.

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[48:56–55:22] Sports Talk: NFL Headlines and Debates

• Carson Wentz to Eagles as Mentor
  • Ocho supports the move, believes it's low-pressure for McCarthy (48:56)
• Caleb Williams’ Socks:
  • ESPN’s Sam Acho criticizes Bears QB; Unc & Ocho dismiss this as “nitpicking nonsense.”

    “It means nothing. We’re doing too much now.” (Ocho, 50:30)

• Lamar Jackson Rushing Records:
  • Debates whether Lamar will surpass Cam Newton—consensus: yes.
  • Ocho: “As much as I love Lamar... the Bengals win in the AFC north though.” (52:53)
  • Shannon speculates on Jackson’s long-term records: “He’s gonna be like LeBron...” (53:02)

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[58:39–68:13] NFL Rankings & Speed Debates

• Wide Receiver and QB Rankings:
  • Ocho and Shannon animatedly debate AFC/NFC wide receiver duos (58:39).
  • Ocho wants Jared Goff and Amon-Ra St. Brown at #1 in the NFC, and moves others down accordingly.
• Fastest Players in Game Speed List:
  • Detailed naming and reminiscing over historical NFL speedsters (64:32), with nostalgia and trivia.
  • “Randy Moss ran 4.2 at 6’4”…I think he should be in [the top group].” (Ocho, 66:43)

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[70:23–74:00] Kobe Bryant Biopic & Q&A

• Warner Bros. to produce Kobe Bryant film about the 1996 draft (70:23)

  • Ocho and Unc celebrate the news, share personal moments with Kobe
  • “There’s so many different layers to Kobe’s story that I don’t know about, especially when it comes to the draft process during those days.” (Ocho, 70:59)

• Q&A Segment:

  • Viewers write in about NFL rivalries, soccer, personal stories.
  • Shannon gives a moving retelling about receiving a Bible from his brother—“one of my most prized possessions.” (24:35)
  • Addresses the perception of imperfection in faith: “People...automatically assume that he or she are perfect. And that’s not what that means.” (Shannon, 75:27)

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[Key Timestamps for Major Topics]

• 02:07 – Lecrae joins; starts origin and faith/hip-hop conversation
• 04:24 – Lecrae on hip-hop culture’s evolution
• 06:11 – Breaking into mainstream & BET cypher experience
• 09:05 – Addressing stereotypes/misconceptions about “Christian rapper”
• 15:23 – On lost opportunities, sponsorship, “gospel rapper” label
• 17:43 – “Who judges harder: Pastors or rappers?”
• 18:18 – Relationship vs religion; personal examples
• 20:23 – Lecrae’s spiritual calling/turning point
• 37:35 – Greatest accomplishment: breaking cycle as a father
• 43:18 – Raja Jackson/Syko Stu incident explained
• 48:56 – Eagles QB roster talk
• 52:05 – Lamar Jackson rushing record debate
• 58:39 – NFL WR/Quarterback duo rankings
• 64:32 – Fastest NFL players all-time debate
• 70:23 – Kobe biopic announced; personal Kobe stories shared

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[Notable Quotes & Moments]

• Lecrae on religion vs. relationship:

  “I don’t push religion. I push relationship. ...If you treating God like it’s religion, like duty, that ain’t you. All you’re doing is following orders.” (18:18)

• Lecrae on breaking family cycles:

  “The greatest accomplishment for me...is being a present father in my kids’ lives because I never had that...it’s breaking a cycle.” (37:35)

• Shannon on perceptions of faith:

  “People...assume that...they are perfect. And that’s not what that means.” (75:27)

• On sports criticism:

  “It means nothing. Come on. We’re doing too much now. We just...come on.” (Ocho, on Caleb Williams' socks, 50:30)

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[Closing Sentiments & Encouragement]

• Lecrae:

  “Be encouraged. Because if you woke up today, that means God ain’t done writing your story...God don’t throw people away. God reconstructs.” (38:53)

• Shannon:

  “Thank you guys for joining us...with football season coming, this is the place that you come to—you don’t want to miss. We’re going to keep it a stack with you. That’s what Ocho and I do…” (81:36)

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Summary

This Nightcap Hour 2 of Club Shay Shay is a masterclass in honest conversation at the crossroads of culture, faith, and sports. Lecrae brings openness about his background, faith, and creative journey, offering insights about breaking barriers, maintaining authenticity, and the importance of purpose beyond public accolades. The episode also dives deep into NFL news and arguments, and closes with personal stories and moments of real encouragement for listeners, making it as heartfelt as it is entertaining.

Transcript

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Four time Grammy Award winning artist, author, actor, activist. His tenth studio album Reconstruction just released. The album features T.I. killer Mike, John Bellen and Friday. Here he is. Lecrae. How you doing bro?

[Lecrae]

What's going on with y' all man? How y' all doing man?

[Shannon Sharp]

I'm doing good, I'm doing good. So help me understand this. You blended faith with hip hop. I mean, I mean growing up, I'm sure you with with this, you probably came up in the church but you also listen to rap, so how did you come up with the combination? Like, you know what? I will blend the two.

[Lecrae]

I'm be honest with you, I didn't grow up in church.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You didn't what?

[Lecrae]

No, I didn't grow up in church.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay. I like this. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

So. So how. So how do. How did we get this?

[Lecrae]

Yeah, I grew up. I grew up, you know, just loving rap. I grew up loving rap. I really wasn't. I would look at church kids. I thought that was lame. I thought it was corny. I didn't grow up in church. I was a free thinker. My mama was a. You know, she was fed by the Black Panthers. She just was like, hey, don't get caught up in all that religion. And, you know, they got too many rules. You can't wear pants, you can't wear lipstick. So for me, I just didn't. She didn't. We didn't go to church, for real. So I got to explore on my own and just kind of like, see what was real. I tried out all kind of stuff. And, you know, I. I love hip hop. I love rap music. That was my thing. And so when I did meet the Lord, I had a spiritual trans. Transformation, you know, like, as a grown man. Yes, it was already there. It was like, all right, how I'm gonna. How do I combine what I already know in this new revelation? You dig what I'm saying? So, yes, that's kind of what it was for me.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Lecrae]

So I relate. I relate to. To people who, you know, are on the fringes. You know, the. The church is the greenhouse. I like the jungle.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I like that. Listen, would you. Being a fan of hip hop, what do you think about where the current state of hip hop is right now?

[Lecrae]

Truth?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Truthfully, Yeah.

[Lecrae]

I mean, so hip hop, if I consider myself a part of hip hop, if I'm healthy, it's healthy. But this is what I say. You got a lot of youngins out there who don't. Don't know about what it used to be. So they not learning from the past in order to make the present better. You dig what I'm saying? So a lot of it is disposable music. A lot of it is just hot takes and just a lot of stuff. So, you know, I like when you can mix the two. I like when you can take the old and mix it with the new, and then you got something good. So there's some stuff that's out there that I dig, that I like, and then there's some stuff that I'm like, man, y' all ain't gonna be here in two years. You know what I mean? Like, y' all gonna be gone.

[Shannon Sharp]

So when you. When you're growing up and you talk about, you listen to rap so who are some of you? Who are some of the. The influences?

[Lecrae]

Yeah, I listen to everything. So I like, like, you gotta understand, I'm. I grew up single parent household, you know, no role model. Daddy ran with the Compton Crips, uncles, gang members. I don't. I don't have no healthy male influences. So to me, rappers were like my mom and dad. So I grew up listening to everything I listen to. I mean, you name it, I listen to it. Old school, new school, I would go back to before I was born. I would listen to Houdini, Easy E, then I go to Tupac, and then I go to Lil Wayne. Then I go to DMX and Jay Z. Like, everything. I listen to it all.

[Shannon Sharp]

So do you feel like that Christian hip hop, has it broken into mainstream, or is there still more work for you to do and others to do?

[Lecrae]

I think it's breaking now because people are tired of the same old, same old music wise.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And.

[Lecrae]

And so I came in, I come kicking the door in, you know what I mean? So when I first got started, everybody looked at me like I was crazy. They look at me like an alien. I would come to interviews and they would touch me and they'd be like, so where your choir roll back? You know what I mean? Where your choir roll Batting. And what is this? And what, you know, what do you rap about? Jesus is God. Come on, bro. Like, come on, man, you know, get out of here. So, you know, once I had to, you know, I did the. The, you know, the BET Cipher. And when I did that, they didn't even know what category to put me in, so they put me with the international people. So then I. When I get on there and I start cutting up, then they like, man, dude is raw. Like, you know, then hip hop start paying attention and they, you know, so now I'm, you know, the. The rapper. Rappers are like, man, I like buddy, you know, the game And Royce the 5 9. And, you know, Beyonce even was like, man, she saw my video. Like, man, you know, so then people was like, okay, he nice. And now I think because I had to take all them lashes, this younger group of dudes behind me, it's easy for them.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, they just.

[Lecrae]

They just got to be dope and they got to know how to, you know, don't know why. I don't, I don't. Don't. Nobody wants you to come in condemning people. You know what I'm saying? Like, we. We may not condone, but we do not condemn.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yes, yes, we listen, but we don't judge.

[Lecrae]

You did what I'm saying, like, listen, that's you and God got to have some conversations. I came to tell you my journey, my story, tell you what the Lord had told me. You know, if it, if it hits.

[Shannon Sharp]

You, it hits you.

[Lecrae]

If it don't, it don't. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's how I move.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Was it. Was it difficult for you? Especially when you think about hip hop now and the sound. Hip hop is completely different as opposed to how it was 10 years ago. When it comes to you and making your music and your sound, were you ever. What's the word I'm looking for? We ever. Was there any, any discomfort and wanting to stay true to your normal sound and what you do being today's era of music sounds completely different than what it used to be.

[Lecrae]

Yeah, I think I'm a bridge, you know, Like, I'm a. I, I, I, I, I'm in, I'm in the middle. Like, I'm little bro to the old school, but I'm big bro to the new school. I'm in the middle of two generations. Like J. Cole would say, you know what? I'm in that Kendrick, Drake, Cole, like, space. And so for me, it's like I learned from them, but I learned from. But I learned from them and I live with them too. So I just feel like I'm. I'm comfortable in both worlds.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[Lecrae]

You know what I'm saying? I'm comfortable. I'm like, yeah, I'm like Travis Hunter on the field. You dig what I'm saying? I'm offense, defense.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, yeah. That's what's up.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I like.

[Lecrae]

You know what I'm saying? I like that I fit in both spaces.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I like that.

[Lecrae]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

Let me ask you this. I, I think I'm. I'm very interested in this. What do you think the biggest misconception is that people still hell have about you, the man versus you, the Christian rapper. You.

[Lecrae]

Come on, you. I know you grew up in church, Shannon, so I already know.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, well, I was a junior deacon. I sang in the junior choir.

[Lecrae]

Oh, Lord God, that makes so much sense. That's why you. That's why you a mess now, because you. That makes perfect sense.

[Shannon Sharp]

He's definitely a mess. He's definitely a mess.

[Lecrae]

The ones who grow up in it be like, yeah, man, I'm out. I'm out here. You know what I'm saying? No, for me, you know, you gotta think like, like, for a lot of folks who grew up in church, I don't have the same baggage. I don't have the same trauma. I don't. I don't have, like, seeing, like. Like the, you know, people doing one thing on Sunday, another thing on Monday. Like, I don't. I grew up seeing all of that stuff. So I don't have a trauma. I don't have the. The baggage that a lot of people have grown up now. I got different stuff from being a rapper in the church, having some issues with me. I got different stuff for being a black man and, like, standing up for the rights of black people in church, having some issues with that, but I don't have a lot of that church trauma. My mama got a lot of that, but I just don't have it. So for me, the misconceptions. People come in expecting me to. To know the hymns, and I don't know the hymns. I didn't grow up listening to gossip. I only like. Like Kirk Franklin and Fred Hammond. I only got a couple that I really grew up that I know, right? So. So the misconceptions don't, like. I'm like, bro, I'm not what you think I am. I'm probably more like you than you know, Right? You know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharp]

So you. So you didn't grow up with James Cleveland and Shirley Caesar and the Mississippi Math Choir.

[Lecrae]

Alabama the Five Boys, Mighty Clouds of Joy.

[Shannon Sharp]

Mighty Clouds of Joy. Spirituals, bro.

[Lecrae]

When I tell you, bro, I'll be with my wife. My wife grew up in church, right? And she be like, that's James Cleveland. I'm like, I don't know who you talking about. I had to. They asked me to do this tour, McDonald's gospel tour. I'm on the tour, and I'm like, they like, man, you up there with the legends. I'm like, I don't know none of these people. I never heard none of their music. I ain't gonna lie to you, right? You know what I'm saying? I know. Mary. Mary, right? So every night I'm getting on stage, and all the church moms has got their arms folded up, looking at me like, what you doing here? And then I just get to tell them. I say, hey, you may not like what I do, but you got a son in jail, you got a grandson who. You know what I'm saying? Who needs something different to listen to. I speak their language. You dig what I'm saying? It's like when David tried to put that armor on, it didn't fit. He's like, this don't fit. Me, you know, give me a sling and some stones. I'm gonna get the job. That's me. I'm like, just give me the sling and the stone. That.

[Shannon Sharp]

That.

[Lecrae]

That the choir robe don't fit me.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I like that.

[Lecrae]

You know what I'm saying?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So where you grew up at? Where you from originally?

[Lecrae]

So. So originally I'm Houston, Texas.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Lecrae]

And then over the years, I moved to the west coast, and now I'm in Atlanta. So, you know, I got that little hybrid of south.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharp]

Well, you. You pretty much stayed. I mean, you pretty much stayed in the Bible belt. Cause, you know, the south, that's the Bible belt.

[Lecrae]

Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. When I left to the west coast, that's when I was a little freer.

[Shannon Sharp]

You're right.

[Lecrae]

You know, but I. I get it. I got a lot of homeboys who grew up in church, and I'd be like, in my mind, I'm like, you know, why do you. What are you doing? Is you in or you out? Like, when I'm smoking, I'm smoking. I'm not smoking. And going to Sunday school like this. I just didn't understand it. Like, it was a weird concept for me. You know what, man? We finna go on this church trip. I'm finna get with Sarita. I'm like, why you go on a church trip to get with a girl? Why don't you just go to the club? I don't understand. Foreign concept to me.

[Shannon Sharp]

Hey, go ahead, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And I was gonna say, I really. I really enjoyed it. I was able to listen to the album earlier today. I. I enjoyed the new album reconstruction. You know, life do for the party holidays. How long. How long normally does it take you to have a vision in which you read when it comes to making an album, and how long does it actually take?

[Lecrae]

Yeah, if I'm not inspired, the music gonna be, it's not gonna. It's not gonna hit a nerve.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right?

[Lecrae]

You know what I mean? It's just. I'm dialing it in. Yes, sir. So it's got to be inspiration and. And inspiration. See, I think y' all could probably relate to this. Like, it's the reason why people like y'.

[Shannon Sharp]

All.

[Lecrae]

So the reason why people connect with y' all is because they feel like y' all connected to the culture. Y' all don't feel so high and mighty, even though I know Shannon be on his private jets eating sandwiches and the whole nine, you know what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharp]

Like, yeah, I own Delta.

[Lecrae]

You don't feel what I'm saying? I know you'll be on your private jet, Bob. I'm more like Ocho. They mad at me because I don't spend enough money. You know what I'm saying?

[Simone Boyce]

That's.

[Lecrae]

That's my vibe. My boy was mad at me today. He said, come on, man, Just. Just, you know, spend another $56 and upgrade the vehicle. When you go to the rental car place, I'm just going from A to B. It don't make a difference to me. You dig what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharp]

Right?

[Lecrae]

But. But you know that I don't forgot what I was. What you asked me again. Yeah. So what I was gonna say is when I'm connected to the people, I feel like I'm. I can talk about issues that are relevant. You know, my pastor said something that was dope. He said, you know, I was going through the motions and just, you know, he said, hey, man, you smell like cologne in green rooms. He said, you need to get some. Some. Some sheep stuff on your feet, man. You don't. You need to smell like. It's like the sheep. And what he was saying was, you need to be connected to the people who need help and who, who, who. You know what I'm saying? You in the green rooms and you own the private jets, and you ain't really connected to the people. So for me, it's like, man, I gotta ride the public transportation on one day, you know, I need to go to McDonald's and just pull up and I'm. Adapt everybody up and I'mma. You know what I'm saying? And then I get in the studio and I'm writing for that kid who, you know is 28 and he's still working at McDonald's, and he's trying to figure out what his life gonna look like. And you dig what I'm saying? So then I get in the studio, then it get real for me, then I start coming up with some. Some good concepts and. And that's how you get that album. So it took me a little over a year and a half.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Lecrae]

Because I had to live some life, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I like that. I like that. I like that.

[Shannon Sharp]

You realize in any aspect when you become outspoken, it potentially costs you opportunities. You've spoken openly about your faith. Do you feel that's cost you some opportunities?

[Lecrae]

It did early. Early on, you know what I'm saying? I mean, you know, I think people are more open to spirituality nowadays. Like, even Gen Z, like, they open to it. It's not like taboo like, it used to be, you know what I'm saying? So early on, it was like, I couldn't get a sponsorship or, you know, like, oh, man, I got the number one album in the country. I beat Maroon 5, you know what I'm saying? And I can't get a Verizon deal. Like, Verizon, like, holla at me. You know what I mean? But it's like, well, we don't want to offend nobody. And I'm like, bro, you gotta be.

[Shannon Sharp]

Right down the middle.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You.

[Lecrae]

I'm like, bro, you got rappers who. Who are literally junkies, rapping about being junkies, and you. And you giving them deals. You know what I'm saying? I'm sitting here giving people hope and. And talking about relevant matters. And, you know, me, T.I. killer Mike, we got a song, grieving the loved ones that we lost. I'm like, come on, man. What are we doing here? So. So, yes, I caught flack for that early on. And then I just, you know, just hate because people was like, gospel rap, Christian rap. I remember. I'll never forget, bro. I. I went my shout out to Bobby Jackson when he was coach of the Sacramento Kings, you know, he. He loved the Lord. He said, hey, man, why don't you come to a practice? I said, for sure, man. I'll be honored. You know, so I'm in the practice, you know, players shooting around. He pull all the players together. He like, hey, y', all, I had my little. My boxes back when I had mixtapes, when we listened to CDs, you know, I'm saying, my box of mixtapes. And Bobby Jackson said, hey, y'. All, y' all, gather around. Gather round, y'. All. We got us a gospel rapper here today. And I was like, oh, no, Bobby, you shouldn't have said that. You should have just said, a rapper, rapper. You know what I'm saying? You should have. Ah, you know, not that I don't love the Lord, but I just knew what they brain was gonna think when they heard that. So as soon as he said that, you can just see everybody be like, man. And so then I got my little mixtape. I'm, like, trying to pass out my mixtape. It's free. And then I heard, and one of the players, man, I ain't gonna say his name, but, you know, boogie took my CD and said, I don't want no gospel rap. You dig what I'm saying? And I was like, you know, so, you know, it was wild, man. That's the type of stuff I used to have to Deal with now. It's cool. But back in the day, man, it was rough.

[Shannon Sharp]

Who do you think judge you harder? Pastors or rappers?

[Lecrae]

Is that a question?

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Dan and Ty (The Solid Verbal)]

What?

[Lecrae]

Who killed Jesus? The religious people.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What?

[Shannon Sharp]

Because they say you play. They say you playing with the Lord, man.

[Lecrae]

The religious people would. Boy, yeah, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Lecrae]

They will crucify you, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Listen.

[Lecrae]

And behind you can make a case.

[Shannon Sharp]

More people done die behind religion than any other.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The funny. The funny thing about it, the most religious. The most religious that condemn everything else outside of what their beliefs may be, they do worse things behind closed doors.

[Lecrae]

And that's. You see? So that's why I tell people, you know, I got a song on the album called Erase Me. I. I don't push religion. I push relationship. You dig what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharp]

Because.

[Lecrae]

Let'S look at it like. Like my wife, for instance. If I'm. If I'm. Religion is rules and duty. If I come home at night and I knock on the bedroom door, I say, hey, baby, it's my duty to get you these flowers.

[Shannon Sharp]

So here you go.

[Lecrae]

I'm sleeping on the couch. You know what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharp]

Right?

[Lecrae]

But if I come home and I. If it's about relationship, then I say, you know what, girl? I was thinking about you all day. I love the relationship that we got. And I was just thinking about how awesome you are, how much I appreciate you. And I got you these flowers just to show you my. My love for you. And that's relationship.

[Shannon Sharp]

Okay.

[Lecrae]

And it's gonna be a good night.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

I see what you said. I see what you're putting down. I see what you put down. I see what you put down.

[Lecrae]

And so does she.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

Okay.

[Lecrae]

And so here's the thing. All I'm saying is, if you treating God like it's religion, like duty, that ain't you. All you're doing is following orders. And as soon as you feel like he ain't looking, you're gonna wild out. But if you got a good relationship with them, then you gonna do stuff because you like, man, I love you, man. I just want to do what you want me to do. It ain't me following rules. So that's what I'm saying. I don't rock with the legalistic rule following religious folk. I'm with people who got such a good relationship with God, they don't want to do nothing stupid because it's like, man, I got a good relationship. That's what I'm on.

[Shannon Sharp]

How old were you when you. When. When the Lord Spoke to you or you got that, say, you know what? This is my calling. I, I, I went to high school with a guy. We call him Preacher. His name is Harry McNeil, and he's a pastor. And everybody knew, cuz as long as I can remember, he carried a Bible. I mean, he had to be. He probably was like 11, 12 years old, and he carried that Bible, and we called him Preacher. I don't think anybody called him his real name except the school teachers. Everybody called him Preacher, and sure enough, to this day, he's a pastor. How old were you when you received the word? When you received the call and said, you know what? Because this is what, this is the.

[Lecrae]

Page I'm about to be on. Yeah, I think I was, I was 1920. I started getting real sick because, you know, 1920, I, I was like, all right, I met God. This is real. I want to change. But you know how it is with anybody when they have an awakening, they be real passionate. It's like when your friend first become a vegan, he like, man, don't you know me?

[Shannon Sharp]

Yep.

[Lecrae]

I don't eat no meat.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Lecrae]

You don't need to eat meat. Meat is bad. I got a vegan spot over here. You know, you just on fire. Like, it's an awakening. So I have my awakening, but then, you know, real life hits you, and you realize, like, okay, wait a minute. This excitement is great, but I still got to live real life. And then you start having problems, and then the temptations come along and, and, and then, you know, when you mess up, which I did, because, you know, the ladies was. It was a struggle for me. You dig what I'm saying? I'm 20 years old, so, yeah. You dig what I'm saying? So for me, I was like, well, I messed up so bad. I can't really go back out here. You feel what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Lecrae]

Because I didn't want to be no hypocrite, but the reality was, you know, a lot of times that shame keeps us from growing. It's like a baby taking steps. Like when the baby fall, you don't say, you stupid baby. Why are you falling? You, you say, it's all right. Get it up. Keep walking. So that's what I needed, to get up and keep walking. And so 20, about 23. I was real serious, but I wasn't like, yo, your man, what's his name that she was just talking about? The preacher.

[Shannon Sharp]

Preacher man Kirk Franklin.

[Lecrae]

No, your man that you went to school with.

[Shannon Sharp]

Oh, Carrie. Yeah, Carrie. Carrie McNeil. Preacher.

[Lecrae]

I wasn't like him. Okay, you did what I'm saying? I was. Because I had models of dudes who was. They still kept they sauce, but they love God. You see what I'm saying? If I'm being honest with you, I don't know your brother that well, but I feel like I was probably like your brother, because when your brother got up to do his hall of fame speech, man, that, to me, is the way you walk your faith out. It didn't feel like he was like.

[Shannon Sharp]

Now everybody open up to the book of 32 songs.

[Lecrae]

You dig what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Lecrae]

He just was like, being real was a real moment. He shared his love for his brother. He talked about what God did. You know what I'm saying? I was like, man, you got to love that. You got to respect that.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah. You wouldn't know that if you just met him. You wouldn't know that. Yeah. And I don't remember when he actually became. But he was always, you know. You know, we were like. Ocho said we were actually junior deacons. We had to lead devotional service. We had to lead prayer. So it wasn't just, you know, we couldn't get up there and say, no, Happy Easter Day. We had to say this long, long speech that took at least a minute, minute and a half, or we had to pray or we had to do something. So our grandfather, you know, kept us very, very involved in the church and. But like you said, I kind of went away from that because it's like when you make somebody do something all the time. So we had to go to Bible study. We had to go to choir practice. We got to go to desert. We at church, you know, every. Every single Sunday, and we add Bible study, and we add devotional, and we add all this stuff. I'm like, man, as soon as I ain't got to go, I ain't going.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He.

[Shannon Sharp]

He kept. Like, when I went to college, I was like, well, I ain't got no church, even though there's a church right across the street from the school. Yeah.

[Lecrae]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

He, like, went to college and found a church and still.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Wow.

[Shannon Sharp]

And when. And I remember one year, he got me. He got me a gift. Had it had in a nice little box and everything. I was like, oh, but, bro, to hook it up, we both in the league.

[Lecrae]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

He left it at my house. At the house in Glenville, at my grandmother's house. And Libby say. My sister Libby called. Olivia called a buck. She said, spanky left your. Your birthday gift On. On in the room. I was like, okay, it was a Bible.

[Lecrae]

You thought it was gonna be. You thought he was gonna put you with some ice.

[Shannon Sharp]

To this day, as a matter of fact, I still. And then when I thought about it.

[Lecrae]

Like, man.

[Shannon Sharp]

Bible, Denver Broncos. Shannon Sharp, number 85, got all this stuff on it. I mean, it's like. It's one of my most prized possessions, because I know he gave it to me. The sincerity in which he gave it to me, that's what. That's what meant the most. He could have bought me anything, could have bought me a car, could have bought me a chain, but it was this, like this. And that. That Bible mean. That Bible means a lot to me. And he still. He still called me hey to the day. He'll call out of the blue. And I don't know how he knows God has given him a special ability because when I really need it, because he can, man. He can. He can. He can. He can get through to me when a lot of other people can't. And he's just like, hey, get in your Bible. Yeah, bro.

[Lecrae]

He gave you what was precious to him. You know what I'm saying? He gave you what's precious to him. And I. I have. I have to just take a pause for a second, because you said something, and it hit me. You said. You said Buck and Spanky, right?

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Lecrae]

Yeah, it hit me. Y' all country in a month.

[Shannon Sharp]

We grew up. We definitely grew up. I grew up in rural South Georgia. We had about. We had 3, 500 people. We had about 300 people. 350 people in my high school has. I think, 58, 59 people in my graduating class. So, yeah, we.

[Lecrae]

When you got somebody. Somebody black walking around, you still calling them buck in the 1900s, bro.

[Shannon Sharp]

I mean, you get a nickname if you're in the South. If you got a nickname, oh, that's your name. That's your name for life. Even in your obituary, they're gonna put your real name, but they're gonna put your nickname in parentheses.

[Lecrae]

What was your nickname?

[Shannon Sharp]

I didn't have. I mean, I didn't really. My. They called me. No, no, no. Most of the time, they called me. They called me Chateau. Why? Because I like the final things. When I was growing up, I would spend all my money. Yeah. I spent all my money on the eyes shirt. I might have $30. My brother would go get, like, three shirts. I'm gonna get one shirt. So they started calling me Chateau. But. But you know what? It's funny that it's It's. It's funny that you say that and. And your experience, because everybody. How they. How they. They receive God, when they receive God, everybody goes through. Everybody goes through. Goes through something. And for you not to have gone through anything traumatic, you said, hey, you just felt. It was that. It was that time he had spoke to you earlier. You kind of like started trying, like you all gung ho, like, nah, I'm gonna put that aside. Cause I'm. I'm wilding out. So he ain't pleased with me right now. But guess what? You came right back.

[Lecrae]

Yeah, came back, had to. I, you know, I had my season. You know what I mean? My childhood was crazy. You know, my mama was great, but I just did a bunch of stupid stuff, you know, growing up. And. And so I had a lot of trauma I hadn't processed anyway.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Lecrae]

So for me, it was like trying to work through that. And it was like, you. Some stuff is like, yes, you need God, you need the Bible, you need prayer, but you also need therapy, my dog, you know what I'm saying? You need some extra help to process some of the stuff that I was going through. And the music was the therapy for me for a season. Just like, I had to get this stuff off my chest and just, you know, I mean, let people, you know, let me. It helped heal. It was healing for me. So that's. That's why, you know. But that was my outlet, you know what I'm saying? It was kind of like, you know, I never. I never had. Now, now the crazy part. I'm six four. You know what I mean? My dad is six, six five. My brother's six seven. And you know, we didn't grow up. My pops. If we would have grew up with my pops, I feel like if I would have had. He was like a playground allstar. If I would have had him, I felt like somebody would have pushed me towards my mama didn't know sports.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

The.

[Lecrae]

The coach was like, well, you should let me take him. She's like, no, I don't like that. I feel like, you know, I might have had a different path, a different life. You may not have heard my music. You may. You know what I'm saying? You may have seen me.

[Shannon Sharp]

You know, that ain't what God intended for you, bro. Exactly.

[Lecrae]

You dig what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharp]

Exactly. So he go put you on the road where you need to be when you need to be there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

All right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

With me. Yeah, I've been in the studio and, you know, I have. I Have a background in gospel as well. I was. I sang in the junior choir. I sang with the senior choir. So if. If at any point, you know, you want to work together and.

[Lecrae]

And go, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I mean, yeah, I'm here.

[Shannon Sharp]

Let me tell you something, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Listen, I know hip hop, and we can.

[Shannon Sharp]

We heard.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. We can intertwine the two, and we could do some.

[Lecrae]

We.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We could do God's work.

[Lecrae]

I'm a. I' ma pray about that because. You know what I'm saying? Let me pray about that.

[Shannon Sharp]

Please. Please pray for it.

[Lecrae]

You know, I'm gonna pray about that. I could.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I could. I could.

[Lecrae]

Now what? Let's just start off on just you being, like, my financial advisor. Okay? You did what I'm saying. We can start there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's. See, that's. That's why I love you. That's why I love you. Because it's about baby steps. It's about baby before you walk. So I can help you in the area of being financial savvy and financially conscious, my brother.

[Lecrae]

That's right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And then we can go on tour because.

[Lecrae]

Because God gave me the money to be a good steward with it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

See?

[Lecrae]

You know what I'm saying? And if I don't, you gotta have. You see, everybody need coaches.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[Lecrae]

You know what I'm saying? So I did just like it. You can coach me on how to not spend the bag.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right?

[Lecrae]

You know what I mean?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, listen, I'm gonna tell you one thing.

[Lecrae]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I got a sister named Ruth. And I'm gonna tell you the truth. We gonna make magic, right? We're gonna make magic.

[Lecrae]

I'm with you, man. I'm with you. Because, listen, I. You know what I'm saying? I'm. I don't. I'm.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm.

[Lecrae]

I'm tight. And then I'll be. You know, sometimes I'll be hanging with rappers, and rappers be wanting to spend money, and I'm like, man, y' all really just be out here. I just.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I ain't built like that.

[Shannon Sharp]

I need. I need to hold on to mine.

[Lecrae]

You feel me?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Matter of fact, this. This is that. All right, I'm gonna get a little serious now. I'm not even playing.

[Lecrae]

All right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

My finances, okay. My area of expertise.

[Shannon Sharp]

Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm brilliant in that area when it comes to saving and finding deals and stuff like that. But then I'm gonna need you to talk to me, okay?

[Lecrae]

Okay. Come on.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Listen. Marriage in your 20s, not having the discipline you. You had. You could, boom, coach your boy up in that Area, Because I'm trying. I'm trying to get to the promised land.

[Lecrae]

Yeah, I think I can help you, bro. Yeah, I think I can help you, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm, I'm not even.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, your problem is you've been to the promised land far too many times.

[Lecrae]

Right?

[Shannon Sharp]

You get what I put down you now?

[Lecrae]

You, you wandering in the desert right now, my brother. You got to get out the desert. You see what I'm saying? You got to get out today. You gotta quit striking the rock. Right. To get water out of it. You dig what I'm saying? Just let the Lord bring you the living water.

[Shannon Sharp]

Right?

[Lecrae]

You dig what I'm saying?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He brought it to me, but this time I want to make sure I'm drinking it the right way.

[Shannon Sharp]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Stay with me.

[Lecrae]

I'm with you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Lecrae]

I'm with you.

[Shannon Sharp]

You know what? Help me understand this, because I, I think it's a good, I think it's gonna, it's extremely hard. If you think the, if you've really never been monogamous in a relationship, you think the first time that you're gonna be monogamous is when you get marriage.

[Lecrae]

I think that's, that's.

[Shannon Sharp]

You set yourself up for failure. Yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'll let you take it away. Because you, No, I was gonna say.

[Lecrae]

You need some training wheels. You need some training wheels. Yeah, no, real talk.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Lecrae]

I know this from experience.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yes. Because I, I, I think people think that marriage solves, but it does not.

[Lecrae]

No, no. Because you, if you look in to find wholeness in another person, you're gonna fail every time. You know what I'm saying? You, you people be saying, oh, I want somebody to complete me. Well, if you don't feel like you're a complete person, you don't need to.

[Shannon Sharp]

Be getting nobody else.

[Lecrae]

You feel what I'm saying?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Come on.

[Lecrae]

You a half a person right now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Lecrae]

You need to chill and get yourself whole.

[Shannon Sharp]

Happiness is not something. It's not something you find. Happiness is something you create.

[Lecrae]

Yeah, man.

[Shannon Sharp]

I think not someone else or found in someone else.

[Lecrae]

Yeah, like, like, you know, you know, we, I got married young because I knew I was like, I didn't have all the answers. I didn't know exactly everything. I knew. I wanted to follow God. I want to do it the right way. I, I, I, I was blessed. You know what I'm saying? I was young, and I made, you know, a decision based off of what I knew at the time. I was blessed to get somebody who's amazing. But I will say, from coming from being a young. But listen, I, I was a, I, I, I, I pledge Kappa Alpha Psi, Middle Tennessee State University. It was, it's a wild situation.

[Shannon Sharp]

So I could imagine.

[Lecrae]

Yeah, it was a wild situation. You dig what I'm saying? We going to tsu, we going to Fisk, I'm going to Texas, I'm going to pray view. I'm like, it was kind of crazy. So what I, what I had to do was I had to develop some discipline as a single man before I could really jump into a relationship. You know what I'm saying?

[Shannon Sharp]

You gotta get it, you got to get it under control.

[Lecrae]

Yeah, that's right. That's right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Lecrae]

So I had to develop some discipline as a single man and realize, hey, I can chill. I can't. Let me just be, you know, abstain and learn to just let me walk with God. And I felt like, you know, I was running my race. And then I started running my race. I'm running after the Lord. I'm just doing what I'm supposed to do, get my, my life together, my finances together. I'm focused, I'm running. And then I hear somebody running next to me. I said, oh, shoot, she fine. And she fast.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

See that. See, that's, that's how it happened to me. That, that just, just like that. Because I was running. You hear me? And before I looked up, I looked up, you know, somebody will run it with me. So what I did right away. What I did right away is that when it got baptized, because the last one started wearing off, this man is great. So it was, it was, for me, it was a, it was a mental reset. It was a mission.

[Lecrae]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So I've been on point for, you know, for some time since this person, like, joined Messiah. So I'm like, boo, I wanna, I wanna go to the promised land. Where you at, though?

[Shannon Sharp]

Okay. Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So, boom. That's my therapy.

[Shannon Sharp]

Now. My man said it started wearing off.

[Lecrae]

Like the water start drying up on me.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I had to take another dip.

[Lecrae]

This man is wild.

[Shannon Sharp]

What do you, what do you think thus far? You steal it? You're still young, man. What do you, what do you, what do you think your greatest accomplishment is thus far? Is it your faith, your walk with God, the studio album, the success? What do you think your greatest accomplishment is?

[Lecrae]

It sure ain't my walk with God. My walk with God, boy. Well, I'm gonna make it to heaven limping. He didn't have to carry me, you know what I'm saying? I always Tell people, listen, I ain't a Christian. Cause I got it all together. I'm a Christian because I'm weak and.

[Shannon Sharp]

I need a savior.

[Lecrae]

Boy, boy, he didn't have to carry me in there, boy.

[Shannon Sharp]

So those footprints, those footprints, those set of footprints, that's him carrying you. That's not you walking along.

[Lecrae]

Facts, big facts. Yeah, I mean, you know, you get a renewed mind, you get a new nature. You know, you, you, you, you start following in as he leads and guys, but you know, you're still human and you got to wrestle through your humanity. But for me, you know, I didn't have all of the things, number one albums, success, all the trappings of success. I didn't have all them things. And, and I thought that was gonna make me feel accomplished. I thought that was gonna bring me a sense of satisfaction. What I realized is it's never enough. You only climb a mountain, get to the top to realize, oh, there's another mountain. You know what I'm saying? It's like, oh man, it's just. And then you get to the top of one and now you fighting everybody else, trying to get up there so you can keep your spot. Like, you know what I mean? And it's just kind of like, think about it. If you think about you get yourself a Super bowl ring soon as the next season start, what you doing?

[Shannon Sharp]

Try to get another one, you know what I'm saying?

[Lecrae]

Chasing another one. So I, I feel like the greatest accomplishment for me, if I'm being honest, is being a present father in my kids lives because I never had that right. That's the, that's is breaking a cycle. I don't know my mama don't know her dad or she knows her dad. She didn't grow up with her dad. I don't know if he grew up with his dad. My dad didn't grow up with his dad. I didn't grow up with my dad. So for me it's breaking that cycle. And now my kids are being raised with a father present in their lives. You know what I mean? Like, I'm gonna be the first grandfather they that that's gonna exist. Like I never knew a grandfather, like a biological grandfather. I never knew that. My mama ain't never knew a grandfather. So I'm gonna be the first grandfather that any of my genera, any generation in our family has seen in generations.

[Shannon Sharp]

Wow.

[Lecrae]

It's crazy.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, man. Lecrae, thank you for stopping by, man. We really appreciate your time. Much continued success. Four time Grammy award winning artist. He's an author. He's an active activist. He's an actor. His tenth studio album, Reconstruction, with album features from T.I. killer Mac, John Bellen, and Friday, man, continued success. Congratulations on your walk with God. We all can use that. And trust me, trust me.

[Lecrae]

Amen. I know you know. So listen, man, I, I, before you dip, I just gonna say that. I was gonna say that, man, listen, I always tell people this. I said all the time. And I'm telling y' all as well, man, be encouraged. Because if you woke up today, that mean God ain't done right in your story. So, man, you know, keep pressing, bro. Keep pressing. Like we ain't no, like, people throw people away. God don't throw nobody away. That's why my album called Reconstruction, you know what I'm saying? God don't throw people away. God figure out how to reconstruct them into something better than they was. So, man, I just want to tell you that, man, be encouraged. Like, you know, you, you valuable, you, you got worth, purpose. And man, listen, you know, we, we, we, we, we gonna, we gonna continue rocking with you, supporting you, praying for you. And man, you know, I love y', all, man. Appreciate y'. All. Thank y' all for having me on the nightcap. You did.

[Shannon Sharp]

Thank you, bro. I appreciate that, man. Continue success. Yeah.

[Lecrae]

Much love, le.

[Shannon Sharp]

Man, that was, that was the unbelievable conversation, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That was dope.

[Shannon Sharp]

That's one of the best conversations I think we've had. We've had a lot of people come on here and have a conversation, but I think that's one of our better conversations. I know I definitely needed to hear a lot of what he was saying.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan and Ty (The Solid Verbal)]

I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello. And we're the Solid Verbal College football podcast. College football season is here. And you know what that means. Your team is going to break your heart three times probably before Halloween.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Uh huh.

[Dan and Ty (The Solid Verbal)]

But fear not. The Solid Verbal will be right there with you through every soul crushing loss and impossible comeback. Join us all season long, all year long, as we ride the rollercoaster of this ridiculous sport. Whether you're a diehard fan or a casual observer, we'll help you make sense of all the chaos and, of course, celebrate the madness. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan. We don't just love college football, Ty. We live it. Listen to the Solid Verbal college football podcasts on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jake Hofer and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Shannon Sharp]

Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.

[Dan and Ty (The Solid Verbal)]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Simone Boyce]

I'm Simone Boyce, host of the Bright side podcast and on this week's episode I'm talking to Olympian World cup champion and podcast host Ashlyn Harris. My worth is not wrapped up in how many things I've won, because what I came to realize is I valued winning so much that once it was over, I got the blues and I was like, this is it for me. It's the pursuit of greatness. It's the journey, it's the people, it's the failures, it's the heartache. Listen to the bright side on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. The U.S. open is here. And on my podcast, Good Game with Sarah Spain, I'm breaking down the players from rising stars to legends chasing history. The predictions? Well, we see a first time winner and the pressure. Billie Jean King says pressure is a privilege, you know. Plus the stories and events off the court. And of course, the Honey Deuces, the signature cocktail of the U.S. open. The U.S. open has gotten to be a very fancy, wonderfully experiential sporting event. I mean, listen, the whole aim is to be accessible and inclusive for all tennis fans. Whether you play tennis or not. Tennis is full of compelling stories of late. Have you heard about icon Venus Williams, recent wildcard bids? Or the young Canadian Victoria Mboko making a name for herself? How about Naomi Osaka getting back to form? To hear this and more, listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

[Shannon Sharp]

All right, Ocho, the big news of the day when a video emerged this morning that Roger Jackson unleashed a violent attack on Seiko Stu Psycho Stew, rendering him unconscious during a wrestling event in Los Angeles, La B LAPD confirmed to TMZ that officers were called to the wrestling show Saturday night, took a police report and have Launched an investigation into the incident. The shocking moment unfolded at a private Knox Pro Academy wrestling event. Raja knocked out Psycho Stu, then continued pummeling him long after he was down. Raja's dad, Rampage Jackson, put out a statement. I want to clear up misinformation about my son Raja. I've been confirmed that the wrestler Stuart Smith, AKA Psycho Stu is awake and stable. Raja was unexpectedly hit in the head of the head by him. Moments before the Smith's match, Raja was told that he could get his payback in the ring. I thought it was a part of the show. It was bad judgment and it worked. That went wrong. Raja is an MMA fighter, not a pro wrestler. And he had no business being involved involved in an event like this. I don't condone my son's action at all. He suffered a concussion from sparring only days ago and had no business doing anything remotely close to physical contact. As a father, I'm deeply concerned with his health and his well being of Mr. Smith. That being said, I'm very upset that any kind any of this happened. But my main concern now that Mr. Smith will make a speedy recovery. I apologize on behalf of the kick for this situation. Video later emerged of the incident that happened hours before. Let's take a look at this on Joe. Hey, I think that's. He's not a worker, bro.

[Lecrae]

Calm down.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What the was that? You don't sell it.

[Lecrae]

I know, I know you will.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We're good. Hey, I'm. I'm confused. What, what, what did he do to his head? Did he hit him? Did he smack him? I mean, it was.

[Shannon Sharp]

It's supposed to been a prop. So I guess they were supposed to be rehearsing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, okay.

[Lecrae]

And.

[Shannon Sharp]

They were supposed to take this into the. Just like it's scripted. Just like WWE wrestling.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, yeah. And so I guess he suffered. His dad Rampage said he suffered a concussion earlier, I guess in a sparring session. Because I saw. I saw that video where he got kicked in the head and he kind of stumbled a little bit.

[Lecrae]

Oh, I saw that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

When I saw that. I saw that on Twitter. Okay, okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharp]

And then you see a situation like this, right? You got to be careful, you know, be putting people in situations that they're not used to.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharp]

Because so now they're telling himself, now you can get your opportunity to get back. Well, he thought he was getting back because he picked the guy up and he's, you know, he power slammed him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Sharp]

And the first thing to hit was the Psycho Stu's head. So once he slammed him.

[Lecrae]

He's out, right? He's out.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And is. Is that where he kept punching? Dude, I saw.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yes. And I guess they thought it was a part of the script because nobody intervened.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Sharp]

And then they realized, like, nah, this ain't a part of the script.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right. That's tough. That's tough.

[Shannon Sharp]

It is. It is.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

When it comes to wrestling, obviously, it wouldn't be anything real. I mean, that's unfortunate. That's unfortunate. I'm. Dude is okay now, though, right? Dude, that.

[Shannon Sharp]

That's what. That's what Rampage says, that he's. He's awake. But I'm just going by what. What Rampage said, so his father.

[Lecrae]

I don't. I don't know.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's tough, man. That's tough. That's tough. I'm not sure, I mean, why he would go on with the fight if he felt insulted, you know, Profit at the beginning, he didn't have to do it.

[Shannon Sharp]

I think they told him. So Ocho, you know, he went through with it because. Okay, now you can get your payback.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

So he was.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And the thing is, if it's not real, if it's not real and it's scripted, there's no payback to get you. You just. You. You should just call it off of anything.

[Shannon Sharp]

But I don't think they thought it would get to this. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, he snapped. There's nowhere. There's. There's no way around it. You hear stories of somebody blacking out and just like, just going crazy, going haywire. He snapped. He did. Cause that's when you. What? And. And. And law enforcement, that's what they call overkill.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Sharp]

When somebody. When somebody gets stabbed 100 times.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharp]

A lot of times the knife is still going into the same wound. That's overkill. What he did was he snapped. He just lost his ability to. To stop.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn, man. That's as fuck almost.

[Shannon Sharp]

It's a very tough situation for all parties involved. Hopefully Raja, you know, gets the. The assistance that he needs. Hopefully Psycho Stew, he makes a full and speedy recovery, and. But this is a very, very, very, very unfortunate situation. Oh, Vikings trade quarterback Sam. How to the Eagles sign quarterback Carson Wentz? Ocho, do you like CARSON Wentz mentoring J.J. mcCarthy?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Carson Wentz once, who had success, a lot of success with the Eagles before Jalen Hurts took over. Carson was extremely good and very promising before tearing his acl, if. If you don't remember. So I think him mentoring, mentoring JJ could be. Could be good. Could be good. And it'd be a good backup as well for J.J. mcCarthy. So I think. I think that's pretty dope. And that's. It's. It's also a player where JJ doesn't have to be looking over his shoulder as well.

[Shannon Sharp]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I think that also bothers. I'm not saying JayZ is the veteran, but players like that.

[Shannon Sharp]

You want a long leash, you don't want a short one shortly.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Exactly.

[Shannon Sharp]

I throw interception and I'm coming to the sideline. The coach shaking his head. And you see the quarterback on the sideline warming up.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They're warming up. Yeah.

[Lecrae]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's nice situation where he doesn't have to worry about that, which can be. Can. Can be kind of tricky in a sense. So that's something JJ doesn't have to worry about. I think JD McCarthy going to be fine as long as. As long as brother J. Justin Jefferson is healthy. Jordan Addison has to. Has what, what, two or three games? Three games. He'll be fine.

[Shannon Sharp]

Aaron Jones, they got Hawkinson, so they.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They JT Gonna be all right. He gonna be all right.

[Shannon Sharp]

ESPN analyst Sam Acho criticized Bears quarterback Kayla Williams for wearing his socks halfway, calling it sloppy and lack of leadership. Another thing is a little thing, but a big thing. Even just some of the uniform stuff. Look at the socks halfway down.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That means nothing. Come on, Nacho. Come on, baby. Come on.

[Shannon Sharp]

I love.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I love you to death. It means nothing. It doesn't. It means nothing. You know, wearing your socks high, wearing your socks low means nothing. Come on. We're doing too much now. We just. Come on. Come on.

[Shannon Sharp]

I guess if it's an opportunity to criticize, I don't know, like I said, I like Caleb Williams. I think he's going to be good. I like him in this offense. You know, obviously he's going to have to do a better job of getting the ball out of his hand, realizing that he can't make every play. I love. They surrounded him with talent. You go out, they take a receiver. I think in the second round, they got DJ Moore, they got a Dunes a. They took a court a tight end in the first round pairing with Cole commit. They've rebuilt the offensive line. I like what they've done in Chicago to help Caleb Williams reach his potential. Now it's going to be incumbent on him to reach that potential because they've given him a hedge which is an offensive line to protect him and they've given him skill, position, players to make his job he don't have to lift as much as he normally. He normally would have to lift.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Shannon Sharp]

But I, I agree with you Ocho. I'm not getting caught up into no socks or something like that. It's not that big of a deal.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nitpicking. We nitpicking like come on now, come on now.

[Lecrae]

Yeah, we talk about socks.

[Shannon Sharp]

Lamar Jackson needs 500 rushing yard this season to pass Cam Newton for the most 500 plus rushing yard seasons by quarterback in NFL history. Does he get it?

[Lecrae]

Oo, absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We talk about Cam, we, we talk about, we talk about Lamar Jackson, we talk about young bull from Pompano. We talk about young bull that wouldn't went to Boynton Beach High School. One of the better quarterbacks. And not just NFL, the AFC north as well. He gonna get it. Absolutely. I would love to see him repeat what he did last year. A 41 touchdown season, 4,000 plus something yards. I don't even know how many rushing yards he had last year, but he had one hell of a season. He had an MVP season. Unfortunately he didn't get the mvp, but I'm sure he's probably going to repeat what he did last year. As much as I love Lamar Jackson, as much as I love the Ravens, the Bengals win in the AFC north though, I just, I just had to throw that in there too.

[Shannon Sharp]

You know what, talk to me. I'm not gonna be surprised if Lamar Jackson rushed for 10,000 yards.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Where is he at right now?

[Shannon Sharp]

You think he gonna get 10,000? He gonna have, he gonna end his career with 40, 50,000 passing yards in 10th. He's gonna be, he's gonna be like LeBron, like LeBron got, gonna have like 40 plus thousand points, right? And then he's gonna have like, you know, this many rebounds, 10,000 rebounds, 10,000 assists. Lamar Jackson is going to have 40,000, 50,000 passing yards and 10,000 rush yards. Something that we, we ain't not going to see.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't, I don't think he'll get 10,000 plus passing yards. I think as he gets older.

[Shannon Sharp]

You mean rush yards?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Rush yards. I think as he gets older and the skill being able to run the ball deteriorates, I think he makes up for it in other areas, which is why he's got and so good and polished in the passing game.

[Shannon Sharp]

How many yards, how many rush yards Lamar got? He probably over 6,000 now. He got 6,100 right now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oo yeah, but nah, yeah, yeah, another, another 4,000. That's a whole, that's a whole Lot of rushing on.

[Shannon Sharp]

Oo think about it. Oo that man had 800 last year and like nothing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a. I mean, he. Lamar came out in 20. 2018. Lamar came out in 2018, right? Yeah. Think about that, Ocho. Yeah, man, eight years deep.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You right.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah. He's getting 10. He getting 10 bands.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

His game has changed though. Game has changed. I don't even see.

[Lecrae]

I don't even see.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

See Lamar. I mean, honestly, even with the rushing yards, I don't even see him as a running quarterback. He's a Thor. He's a thrower of the ball. First, if you notice how his game has changed and evolved over time.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, he's got better.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Lamar Jackson is running the ball if he just has to and has no other goddamn choice.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, we know. Look, in order for him to. To this office to go and for him, for them to win, he had to evolve. He just couldn't be what he once was, right? And he's gotten better and better every year throwing the football. They've given him added weapons. So. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, he's gonna get better and better. And all I said is, look, if he can get his arms to be 80% of his legs, he'd be the best quarterback in the league. Yeah, well, now he damn near 90 his arm down 90% of his legs.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Dan and Ty (The Solid Verbal)]

I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello. And we're the Solid Verbal College Football podcast. College football season is here. And you know what that means. Your team is going to break your heart three times, probably before Halloween.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Uh huh.

[Dan and Ty (The Solid Verbal)]

But fear not, the Solid Verbal will be right there with you through every soul crushing loss and impossible comeback. Join us all season long, all year long, as we ride the rollercoaster of this ridiculous sport. Whether you're a die hard fan or a casual observer, we'll help you make sense of all the chaos and of course, celebrate the madness. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan. We don't just love college football, Ty, we live it. Listen to the solid verbal college football podcasts on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jake Hofer and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best Part of the farm with less than ideal access, should you?

[Shannon Sharp]

That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.

[Dan and Ty (The Solid Verbal)]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Simone Boyce]

I'm Simone Boyce, host of the Bright side podcast, and on this week's episode, I'm talking to Olympian World cup champion and podcast host Ashlyn Harris. My worth is not wrapped up in how many things I've won, because what I came to realize is I valued winning so much that once it was over, I got the blues and I was like, this is it for me. It's the pursuit of greatness. It's the journey, it's the people, it's the failures, it's the heartache. Listen to the bright side on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The U.S. open is here. And on my podcast, Good Game with Sarah Spain, I'm breaking down the players from rising stars to legends chasing history. The predictions will we see a first time winner? And the pressure. Billie Jean King says pressure is a privilege, you know, plus the stories and events off the court. And of course, the honey deuces, the signature cocktail of the U.S. open. The U.S. open has gotten to be a very fancy, wonderfully experiential sporting event. I mean, listen, the whole aim is to be accessible and inclusive for all tennis fans, whether you play tennis or not. Tennis is full of compelling stories of late. Have you heard about icon Venus Williams, recent wild card bids? Or the young Canadian Victoria Mboko making a name for herself? How about Naomi Osaka getting back to form? To hear this and more, listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain, an iHeart women's sports production in partnership with Deep Blue Sports and Entertainment on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's what make him so goddamn dangerous, man.

[Shannon Sharp]

Sh. Yeah, I know. Oh. Draft kings rank every AFC and NFC wide receiver duo heading into the upcoming season. Here they go.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hold on, hold on. Send me that ash. You might have seen it already. There it is. There it is. Hold on. Here we go. Okay, you see who number one is? Hey, Chat. Chat. Do y' all see who number one is? Huh?

[Shannon Sharp]

The team that missed the playoffs last year.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That ain't got nothing to do with what we talking about. I just said, do you see who number one is?

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, we see that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay. Wait a minute. How the hell. Okay. Oh. Oh, no. Oh. This. This order. This order. This is. This order is a no, no.

[Shannon Sharp]

Okay, tell me what you got.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

For one, where the hell is golf in Amon Ross, St. Brown.

[Shannon Sharp]

That's the afc.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh. Oh, that's nfc.

[Lecrae]

You mean this is the afc.

[Shannon Sharp]

You're looking at the afc.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

My bad. I thought it was.

[Lecrae]

I thought it was a hole.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

My bad. I'm glad. I'm glad you said something.

[Shannon Sharp]

Let's just say we ranked every AFC quarterback, wide receiver duo. You told Ash to send it to you. It's up there on your screen, and you got it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I know. I'm looking at. I'm looking at it. Okay, well, wait a minute. Well, no, I think Lamar. Lamar. Lamar and Lamar. And they should be, too. Lamar. And they should be two. Lad. McConkey and Herbert should be three. Oh, wait a minute. Hell no, man. C.J.

[Lecrae]

Stroud.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

C.J. stroud and Nico Collins should be before Pat Mahomes and Rasheed Rice. Hey, boy, this is good right here. This is good. This is good. So at 2, I'm putting Lamar and Zay Flowers, and then I'm going Nico Collins and C.J. shroud, then lad McConkey and Justin Herbert. Because lad McConkey and Justin Herbert, Ladarius McConkey. Boy, they be. They be cutting up out there.

[Shannon Sharp]

Look where they got your teeth. Look where they got Miami.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. And they're only doing that because. They're only doing that because two and recap are down here. They'll be back this year. They'll be back this year. Hey, Josh Allen and Khalil Shakur. So after. After. After Herbert, then. Then I'm going Mahomes and Rasheed Rice, and then Josh Allen, Shakira, and after that, the. The order is pretty much, you got some people that haven't even done anything yet. Yeah, you got some people that haven't done anything yet. So.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, in the nfc.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay, there we go.

[Shannon Sharp]

Roll up.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Here we go. Let me see where the NFC at? Where the NFC at? Okay, here we go. Here we go. Okay. A.J. brown. That's right. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. For one, I'm okay with Jalen Hurst and A.J. brown, but with. At. At 2. At 2, I'm going.

[Shannon Sharp]

Are you sure? You sure Jalen Hurst and A.J. brown is better than golfing Almond Ross St. Brown. Are you sure?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, hell, if that's the case, then Matt Stafford belong in front of everybody. Masto and Puka Nakua belong in front of everybody. If that's what we.

[Shannon Sharp]

Are we sure. It gets interesting.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, it does. It does. It's a good one. It's a good one. And then. And when you think about it, you think about Jaylen Brown. I talk about Jalen Brown. You think about Jalen Hurst and A.J. brown. They didn't put up gargantuous numbers. No, they didn't put up gargantuous numbers. But if we, if we.

[Shannon Sharp]

If anything, I mean, Jerry Goff and Norman run St. Brown do it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And so did Puk Nakua and Matt. And Matt Stafford.

[Shannon Sharp]

And I like. I. I like. I like Jaden Daniel, but I don't think him and McLaurin belong in front of golf in.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No.

[Shannon Sharp]

And Amon Rock. I can make a case. I can make a case that Amon Rod and golf should be one.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Mike Evans. Mike Evans and. And Baker Mayfield.

[Shannon Sharp]

They. They low.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

BNS6 is way too low. BNS6 is way Too low. And obviously Justin Jefferson and JJ didn't. They. They didn't have opportunity to play together yet.

[Shannon Sharp]

Right. So I understand them being that low.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Who would you go first? Who would you. Who would you put first? I honestly, me. Me, Chad. I chat. Tell me what y' all think. I would put golf.

[Shannon Sharp]

I'll put golf and Ross St. Brown.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And then second, I would put Matthew Stafford and Puka Nakua.

[Shannon Sharp]

I would put. I would put.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I would have. I would have Dak.

[Shannon Sharp]

I might. I might put. I might. I'm gonna put Baker Mayfield and Mike Evans in my top five.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely. I would put Dak and CD Third. And then fourth, I'd have Baker Mayfield and Mike Evans. Then I go. Yeah, absolutely. Or before Hurst and JJ, I might put McDaniels and McLaurin first because, I mean, after that, it's. It's after. That's a toss up.

[Lecrae]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's. I like this. I like this. But number one, I'm definitely going with golfing on Monroe. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Hell, Pooking the cool went crazy last year too. So that's why I put them second.

[Shannon Sharp]

Ocho, what would you change about this list? These are the fastest players based on in game speed. You got tier one, you got time. You got Reek, Darryl Green, Bullet, Bob Hayes, Chris Johnson. Then you got Bo, Randy, Rasheed Raheem, Mostert, Deshaun Jackson, Devin Hester, Joey Galloway. Then you got Willie Gault, trending Holiday, Cliff Branch, Mike Vick, Marquis Goodwin. God, good Goodwin, Dante Hall, Ron Brown. Ron Brown can run. People don't realize that. Then you got John Ross, Ike Taylor, Jacoby Ford. Jacoby Ford could run. Mike Wallace. Mike Wallace could fly. Champ Bailey. Jamal Charles, Pat P. Julio Jones. Then you got Herschel Walker, DRC Xavier Worthy, Percy Harvard, Adrian Peterson, Barry Sanders, Odell Lamar. Then you got Charles Woodson, Tyler Lockett, Cordial Patterson, Neil Mile, Jonathan Taylor, Jameson Williams, Fabian Washington, Rod Woodson. Missing anybody? Ocho. They should have had James Jett on here.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Darius Hayward. Bay. Did we say. Did he. Is he on there?

[Shannon Sharp]

Nope.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I forgot. They got Bethel Johnson, who played with the Patriots, and I forgot who else he played for. He's another Burner. Ahmad Carroll. Remember Mark Carroll played.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

A green bake. Jesus Christ, that boy could run.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. I'm trying to think who I'm talking about. Burners. Burners.

[Shannon Sharp]

I can't lie. That top list. That top list. I mean, Bob Hayes won a gold medal, so it's hard to. It's hard to argue him. Darryl Green never lost the NFL fastest man. We know what reek. Chris Johnson had the fastest 40 time. 424. And we know Prime.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

And the time is time.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. The funny thing about it is Randy Moss ran 42 2. And people don't even realize that he ran 42 when he was at Florida State before he left to go to Marshall. Randy Moss ran 4:2 at 6:4. So I. I really think Randy Moss should be in that.

[Shannon Sharp]

In that top one. No. Top one. Yeah. I think Ron Brown wasn't. Ron Brown. Didn't Ron Brown. I think Ron Brown was on the Olympic team in 84. Didn't Ron Brown winning on Olympic team in 84 with Dada and Sam Grady, Carl Lewis.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, you know what? You know what's the most impressive about a relay team?

[Shannon Sharp]

Didn't he. Did he. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharp]

I thought so. Ron Brown could fly.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Everybody on this list is impressive, but I don't think people understand watching most highlights, it don't do you no justice unless you were able to see that up close and impersonal. Because he start off. He start off gliding, and you don't really know he moving until you trying to catch him or he done threw that hand up and he running by you. Boy.

[Shannon Sharp]

I think. But see, I think Hester was more shifty than fast.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, no, Hester was fast, too. Now, Devin Hester, University of Miami, Devin Hester.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, boy. He was fast and shifty.

[Shannon Sharp]

No, he could. I mean, he wasn't faster than Willie Gault on holiday.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I mean, you got to understand, once you get past four three and up, I mean, you fast as hell.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Which is. Which. Which makes most of the people that's on this list that. That that special because not only can you go in a straight line, but you can also transition. You had great lateral movement. You were able to stop and restart and get right back, right back up the top speed. Everybody can't do that. Most people are just fast in a straight line. Everybody on this list can actually play football. They're good.

[Shannon Sharp]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Think about how many track runners can just run in a straight line. You put them on the football field and it won't be the same.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, well, ne didn't. Didn't do too well at football because he couldn't read. Man alone. He, he, he. He had learned. He got to learn how to sit that thing down.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Who, who? The track runner that played at Florida. I mean, that ran track at Florida. University of Florida, but played football, too.

[Shannon Sharp]

Jeff Dimps.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Jeff Dimps. Jeff Dimp. Hey, he was fast as hell, boy.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah. All them guys, look. Tennessee Willie Golf from Tennessee. Stanley Morgan was at Tennessee. Who's the other receiver? Anthony Miller. Tennessee. Hey, them guys could run. The only way they really couldn't run at Tennessee was slim pickings. But all the rest of them guys, they kind of like the Ohio State guys, you know? Ohio State. How they, how they. How those, all those receivers can run. That's how Tennessee used to be.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharp]

Sam Grady. Anybody? Anybody? We miss a nocho. Anybody we leave out?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's what I was trying. I was trying to think. Not really. That's a, That's a good goddamn list, boy.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah. Bob Hayes changed the game. He made teams. Everybody did. You had to do away with the. He brought, he brought the zone coverage in because can you imagine trying to. The COVID tried the world's fastest man. You tried to play man to man on it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ain'T happening. What was some speed on that, boy?

[Shannon Sharp]

Warner Brothers acquires a script for Kobe Bryant movie based on the 1996 draft. The new film will focus on Kobe's 1996 draft day and is intendedly titled with the eighth pick. The eighth pick in the draft was held by the Nets, coached by recent Massachusetts defector and coach, current Arkansas boss John Calipari. The New Jersey. New Jersey was reportedly eager to draft Bryant only to pass under considerable external pressure. Ocho, are you excited about the first biop about Kobe being brag? Yeah, absolutely.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Absolutely. I think it's going to be. It's going to be dope to re. Relive and retell the story of how it all started. We know how it ended, you know, as far as when it comes to his career. But let's Talk about how it all started, you know, how the Mamba mentality came about in the beginning. The beginning. I think that. I think it's going to be dope. It's going to be dope for me because I don't know, his whole story, the finished product that I got to see on espn. You know, I got. I got. I got to see that. That part. You know, I obviously had many conversations with Kobe before. You know, before he passed, I had an opportunity to go sit courtside with my son, little CJ, when CJ was. I mean, CJ might have been maybe, what, 9, 10 years old. I'm excited. I'm excited for that. It's so many different layers to Kobe's story that I don't know about, especially when it comes to the draft process during those days. Oh, hell. I was still in high school, huh?

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah. I still got the text before he passed. I texted. I DM'd him December 28, 2019. I still have it. Still got it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn. I just.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, I'm definitely go. I'm definitely tuning into that one. Definitely going to tune into that one. All right, Ocho, it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn, man. I remember. I just posted. I just posted a picture for Kobe's birthday. Remember, Kobe and I, we sat down in News Cafe. We sat there about two hours, man. Sat there about two hours and talked about life in general. At this time, I was. When. I was just disgruntled, as they call it, when I was with Cincinnati, and I. I had got. I got. I had gotten in trouble, maybe. Oh, man. It was a great conversation. It was. I. Not. I'm not going to disclose it. Rosa here now. But. But it's. It's one of those conversations. Like when I sat with Denzel courtside that one time, it was on my head. It was one of those conversations. It was dope. It was dope. It was more.

[Shannon Sharp]

Something you'll never forget.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes. It was more of a lashing. Lashing out for the acting out in the manner that I did, that understanding that there's no way I was going to win that battle against that power structure. So why are you even trying? In a sense, right?

[Shannon Sharp]

Triple X, copsanity says unc and ooh, did OO pay your money yet? If not, OO gotta catch. I'mma do what Giannis do. I'mma do. I put a Giannis on it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What hit me in the back of the head. Hey, I'mma block. I'MMA block that. I'mma block that.

[Shannon Sharp]

Hey. He didn't know it was coming.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh.

[Shannon Sharp]

T to the real. Salute my brother. Lrae we not connected by gang or fraternity no more. But holy Trinity connection is worth it and forever. Praise God. 100 yard. This dude is a clown. Such a phony. I would rather take DMX over him if I want to listen to rap music to get closer to God. Huh? Well, I mean, what the dude do to you?

[Lecrae]

Oh, wow, man.

[Shannon Sharp]

People, man. Y' all need to. Y' all need to chill, man. You don't like the man music, okay, that's fine. But people like him. I like the conversation that we had. The man said he. The man say. The man said. He said he wasn't perfect. Yeah, I think. I think sometimes, Ocho, when we talk about religion and somebody's trying to walk with God, people automatically assume that the guy, that he or she are perfect.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right? No.

[Shannon Sharp]

And that's not what that means.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He said that too, right? He said he's walking with God because he's not perfect and he needs that savior.

[Shannon Sharp]

Coley55, said, why would Stefanski take Shador out, but felt that? But I guess he says, I feel the need to keep DeSean in his last year. Am I tripping?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, what you think?

[Shannon Sharp]

No, they need to. They definitely need to. That's what. That's what we were asking yesterday. Why would they take Shador out? Considering if they're going to keep four quarterbacks, Shador is going to be one of the four quarterbacks that they keep, not Snoop Huntley. That's what I'm. Look, I don't got no problem you want to take him out, but I think Shadow would have been better served being in that situation because there's a possibility that situation could come up. And he happens to be the quarterback of the Cleveland Browns. That's what I think. I think that's what the consensus is, was, is that a guy that you're going to keep on the roster, put him in a situation that he might actually see come game time. Yeah, look, DeSean's going to be on the team. He has $92 million still guaranteed this year and next year, 25, 26. So I don't see a scenario where they're going to cut him out. They're probably keep him on IR for the entirety of this year. He tore. He tore the Achilles late last, and then he ended up retearing it. So he's not playing this season. King Grab said, if you're both in your prime Could Chad beat you in a one on one tight end versus receiver? Look, I can't backpedal. I could never backpedal. That's why I ain't played. Well, I played safety in high school, but I was mainly a linebacker and a wide receiver.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, I could backpedal now. I would have locked your ass up. I could back put it.

[Lecrae]

I would have locked you up.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm telling you right now, you wouldn't.

[Lecrae]

Have caught one ball.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

We talk about 10 reps and I let you have John Elway, I'll let you have John Airway. And I play. Matter of fact, I ain't gonna play. I'm, I'm gonna play, man. I'm gonna play in your face. I'm gonna play in your face and I'm gonna put my palm. Hold on, listen to me. I'm put my palm right between the eight and the four and I guarantee.

[Lecrae]

You won't get off the ball.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Telling me I'm too light. I ain't too light. That's the same thing Ray Lewis said. You saw what happened to him.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yep, I did. Captain Kurt said, what's up, Uncle? No, Joe. Who's better? Who's a better one on one rivalry in the NFL than Ray Lewis and Eddie George?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's a good one. I wouldn't, I wouldn't consider them a rivalry. They did play against each other. They got some good hits on each other. I wouldn't because they're much, much better rivalries than the Tennessee Titans.

[Shannon Sharp]

No, I think they said one on one. Eddie and Ray. So is it Darrell Reavis and Ocho. Darrell Reavis and Randy. Darrell Reavis and to. Is it Time? And, and Mike Urban.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You see, when we talk about rivalries, it's players that have that, that continuously play against each other over. Hell, you know what you want to know? To me, the greatest rivalry of all, I mean, there's some good ones, but for me, Mike Evans.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Now that's a rivalry.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yeah, that's.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Now that's a rivalry that we were excited to and couldn't wait because they were division opponents.

[Shannon Sharp]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And we knew they were gonna face each other twice a year and they literally did not like each other.

[Shannon Sharp]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's a rivalry. I mean, I, I got, I got played against Rebus twice, you know, two weeks back to back. That's it. Never, never, never saw him again. That's, that's really not a rivalry.

[Shannon Sharp]

DJ Underscore Dilly. I know it sounds morbid and sad, but the Cowboys will start winning Again after Jerry Jones passes on to the other side. Well, I hope that ain't no time soon. DJ AM Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy said, hey, fam, I made it back. Ocho, did you get a chance to attend any soccer? I didn't get a chance to attend any soccer games. Was busy going back and forth to concert. Love y' all guys. Glad you made it back safely, Dr. Frankie. Appreciate that we already know you. You probably was chimed in all the way overseas. Jordan B. High ass Uncle Nocho, tomorrow's my 24th birthday. Just wanted to see if I can get a shout out. Yes, Jordan, happy early 24th birthday. Hopefully you got something special planned and enjoy it. Make sure you enjoy it because you're never going to be 24 again. So enjoy that very, very special day and many, many more to come. Thank you guys for joining us. Y' all know me. I'm your favorite unc. Shannon Sharp, my partner and co host. Down at the bottom, that's Liberty City's own that's Bingo. Ring of fame honoree, Maddings Ratings adjuster, Pro Bowler Be all Pro. That's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. Please make sure y' all hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And do us all a favor, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. We would like to thank each and every one of you that tuned in tonight and all the other nights that you've tuned in to make Nightcap what it's become. We cannot thank you enough. So we wanted to take this time right now to say thank you. You know, with football season coming, this is the place that you come to you don't want to miss. We expecting a very, very exciting season. And, you know, we're going to have, you know, we're going to keep it a stack with you. That's what Ocho and I do at Uncan. Ocho Nightcap. Guys, make sure you go check out Shave by La Portier. We have it in stock now. If you cannot find it in a city or state near you, order it online and we'll ship it directly to your door. The best tasting premium VSOP cognac on the market. Hey, don't take my word for it. Try it for yourself. We're going to be out on the market. We're going to be out in the market very, very soon. I think we're going to Baltimore. I think we're going to Delaware. We're going to be back in Atlanta. I think we're coming to Houston some point in time soon. But we got something special. Not just bottle signs, but we got something really, really special. Just head over to laportierconac.com to grab that very, very special bottle of my brother for his induction into the Pro Football hall of Fame. Hopefully you can see that on your screen. Make sure you grab that before they're gone because once they're gone, they are gone. Please go follow my media company page on all of his platforms, Shay Shay Media and my clothing company, 84. That link is pinned into the chat and we want to thank Lecrae for joining us. Grammy Award winning Christian rapper. So thank you guys for joining us tonight. We'll see you back tomorrow night. Thanks again for joining us. I'm Unk, he's Ocho. We're out.

[Dan and Ty (The Solid Verbal)]

I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello. And we're the Solid Verbal College Football Podcast. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan. Join us all season long as we ride the rollercoaster of this ridiculous sport. Listen to the Solid Verbal College Football podcast on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. We don't just love college football, Ty, we live it. I'm Jake Hofer and this is back 40, a limited series show on Wire to Hunt, part of Meat Eaters Podcast Network. Each episode I'll be asking eight whitetail hunting pros a focused, thought provoking question about hunting and land management. How do I hunt the best part of the farm with less than ideal access?

[Shannon Sharp]

Should you? That's what the real question is. Stand without good access is not a good stand.

[Dan and Ty (The Solid Verbal)]

Listen to Back 40 on iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.

[Shannon Sharp]

Check out behind the Flow, a podcast documentary series following the launch of San Diego Football Club.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

San Diego.

[Lecrae]

Coming to MLS is gonna be a.

[Shannon Sharp]

Game changer because this region has been.

[Simone Boyce]

Hungry for a men's professional soccer team.

[Dan and Ty (The Solid Verbal)]

We need to embrace this community.

[Shannon Sharp]

Listen to San Diego FC behind the Flow on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Simone Boyce]

Get fired up, y'.

[Shannon Sharp]

All.

[Simone Boyce]

Season 2 of Good Game with Sarah Spain is underway. We just welcomed one of my favorite favorite people and incomparable soccer icon Megan Rapinoe to the show and we had a blast. Take a listen. Sue and I were like riding the lime bikes the other day and we're.

[Lecrae]

Like wee people ride bikes because it's fun.

[Simone Boyce]

We got more incredible guests like Megan in Store, plus news of the day and more. So make sure you listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Novartis, founding partner of iHeart Women's Sports Network. This is an iHeart podcast.