Nightcap Hour 2: Unc & Ocho react to the Commanders trying to trade Brian Robinson Jr!

Summary

Club Shay Shay — Nightcap Hour 2: Unc & Ocho React to the Commanders Trying to Trade Brian Robinson Jr!

Date: August 18, 2025
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (Unc) & Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson (Ocho)

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Episode Overview

In this electrifying Nightcap Hour, NFL legends and dynamic duo Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson tackle a packed slate of NFL headlines, debates, and deep dives into player trades, positional value, locker-room dynamics, historical player rankings, and some light-hearted banter. The episode’s headline is their animated reaction to the Washington Commanders looking to trade RB Brian Robinson Jr, but the football talk runs wild: from quarterback battles to cornerback rankings and memorable NFL moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cleveland Browns’ Quarterback Competition (02:11–09:19)

• Shannon Sharpe relays news that Browns coach Kevin Stefanski will soon name a starting QB. Both hosts agree it's essentially a formality—Joe Flacco is the presumed starter.
• Ochocinco is blunt: “Joe Flacco, the starter. He’s not there to be sitting on the bench to get beat out by a rookie.” (02:39)
• Discussion pivots to depth chart logistics—who makes the roster as backup, the odd man out, and the implications for quarterbacks like Kenny Pickett.
• Shannon Sharpe: “If he gets this quarterback situation right, all will be forgiven.” (04:15)

2. Rams’ QB Questions, Stetson Bennett, and Backup Woes (05:38–09:01)

• With Stafford’s durability in question, they discuss the Rams’ reliance on Stetson Bennett. Sharpe calls Bennett “the greatest Georgia quarterback,” and the duo riff on Bennett’s underdog story.
• Ochocinco draws parallels to “Rudy,” noting the appeal of underdogs. “Oh yeah, he's Rudy. That was dope.” (06:48)
• The uncertainty around Stafford’s health leads to speculation about rookie readiness.

3. Dylan Gabriel vs. Shador Sanders — Was There a Subtle Shot? (09:46–18:25)

• Shannon presents chat poll data: “85% felt Dylan Gabriel's comments were a shot at Shador.” (09:46)
• A nuanced debate unfolds. Ocho initially defends Gabriel, believing the comments are being misconstrued and not necessarily targeting Shador:
  • “I just think it’s being blown a little out of proportion.” (17:02)
• Sharpe counters, unpacking why even vague comments get parsed in high-stakes environments:
  • “That's why quarterbacks are so scripted, because they know anything they say is going to be... misconstrued.” (17:34)
• The hosts agree to disagree, highlighting how context, public perception, and media scrutiny influence NFL locker-room narratives.

4. Commanders’ Attempt to Trade Brian Robinson Jr. (20:53–23:53)

• Shannon breaks the news: “The Commanders have been looking to trade running back Brian Robinson Jr.” (20:53)
• Ochocinco is baffled by the Commanders’ approach: “What are we doing? ...I want to make sure we do everything possible… especially with my number one receiver... Now, two weeks before the season start, we want to get rid of running back number one?!” (21:52)
• They discuss possible motivations (impressive preseason showings, salary considerations) and the impact on the offense, especially if “Scary Terry” McLaurin isn’t locked down.

5. The Value/Ranking of NFL Cornerbacks Since 2000 (27:07–34:02)

• Shannon delivers his top-5 cornerbacks: “Darrell Revis, Sherm [Richard Sherman], Champ [Bailey], Gilmore, Jalen Ramsey.” (27:07)
• Ocho agrees but wants more recognition for Asante Samuel and Patrick Peterson: “I got two that deserve to be on that top five... Asante Samuel and Patrick Peterson.” (33:15)
• Sharpe underscores the difficulty of comparing corners across defensive schemes, particularly travel vs. stationary (Sherm vs. others), and notes Charles Woodson’s omission until late in the discussion.

Notable Quotes:

• “For when the DB gets Defensive Player of the Year, that ain’t been a whole lot of them now.” — Shannon Sharpe (27:46)
• “Everybody gets beat. Nobody has a high percentage of times that he wins his matchups. A high percentage.” — Ochocinco (28:17)

6. Cornerback vs. Quarterback Difficulty Debate (34:02–38:25)

• Ocho makes an impassioned case that cornerback is the hardest position, especially for “traveling” corners (those who shadow WR1 everywhere).
• Shannon counters that quarterback is still the most mentally challenging position in all sports: “There’s a reason why the quarterback playbook is this thick and defensive backs playbook is this thick.” (35:33)

Memorable Moment:

• Shannon’s “Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire” comparison for corners vs. receivers (37:08): "It’s like Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire—she had to do everything he did, but backwards and in heels!"

7. Panthers and Bryce Perkins; NFL Roster Moves (25:32–26:35)

• Sharpe updates on Panthers signing USFL MVP Bryce Perkins after Andy Dalton's injury, but both reaffirm that Bryce Young is the established starter.

8. The Myth of Arm Strength — Joe Milton, Tom Brady, and What Actually Matters (46:34–54:09)

• Sharpe and Ocho laugh about overvaluing QB arm strength, referencing Joe Milton's struggles and Tom Brady’s precise, short passing game:
  • “People get enamored with how far somebody can throw the ball… but damn, is he accurate?” — Shannon Sharpe (46:51)
  • “Having a strong arm is great, but can you do the other things as well that are more important?” — Ochocinco (47:42)
• Tyreek Hill's transformation from a gadget guy to a complete “route tree” wideout is celebrated as a model of development.

9. Super Bowl Logo Theory and Predictions (54:18–56:06)

• Exchanging playful takes on the so-called “Super Bowl logo theory,” which this year seems to hint at a Lions vs. Ravens matchup. Ocho, ever the Bengals loyalist, refuses to buy it—“I know it's gonna be the Bengals, but okay...” (55:52)

10. Pre-Game Meals: Fast Food Legends (56:22–57:54)

• Michael Strahan's confession of pregame fast food sparks Ocho’s long-running anti-science, pro-fast food argument.
• Ocho: “All the greats have done it. I’m not saying I was great, I'm just saying I played at a very high level… while entertaining at the same time.” (56:43)

11. WNBA Statue Milestone and More (57:54–59:47)

• Sue Bird’s new Seattle statue is celebrated as the first in WNBA history.
• Quick shout-outs for other all-time greats (Diana Taurasi, Candace Parker, Maya Moore) who deserve statues.

12. Rappers with the Most Top 10 Billboard Albums (59:53–61:42)

• Unc runs down a surprising stat: NBA Youngboy now has as many top-10 albums as Jay Z and Nas. Ocho isn’t surprised, credits his kids for keeping him hip.
• “He the real deal. He the real deal.” — Ochocinco (61:12)

13. Q&A and Listener Comments (62:21–63:30)

• Playful ribbing over Ocho’s basketball box score and pronunciation of “Ochocido.”
• Fan pushes back on the top-five cornerback list, agreeing that Woodson, Asante Samuel, and Pat P. were snubbed.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Ochocinco on Flacco: “He’s not there … to get beat out by a rookie.” (02:39)
• Shannon Sharpe on coaching moves: “If he gets this quarterback situation right, all will be forgiven.” (04:15)
• Sharpe on defensive travel: “Traveling—that you willing to pick up frequent flyer miles. But Sherm, phenomenal.” (32:30)
• Shannon on QB arm strength obsession: “Is he accurate? Can you give me 40 and accurate as opposed to somebody can throw the ball 80 yards?” (46:51)
• Ocho, defending corners: “I say defensive back is the hardest position to play, especially if you’re a traveling corner.” (34:02)
• Shannon Sharpe’s Fred Astaire analogy: “She had to do everything that Fred Astaire did, but she had to do it backwards and in heels.” (37:08)
• Ochocinco, on mindset: “Listen, things from two different lenses. You got two eyes. I only got one. Maybe that’s why I can’t see what you see.” (18:25)
• Sharpe on Tyreek Hill: “He didn't become reliant on his speed. He became a technician.” (50:20)

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Important Timestamps

• Cleveland QB Battle: 02:11–09:19
• Dylan Gabriel/Shador Debate: 09:46–18:25
• Brian Robinson Jr. Trade Discussion: 20:53–23:53
• Top 5 CBs/DB Value and Debate: 27:07–38:25
• Joe Milton/Arm Strength Discussion: 46:34–54:09
• Super Bowl Logo Theory: 54:18–56:06
• Pre-game Meal/Strahan: 56:22–57:54
• Rappers with Most Top-10 Albums: 59:53–61:42
• Mailbag Q&A: 62:21–63:30

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Recurring Themes and Tone

• No-nonsense football breakdowns with plenty of laughs and trash talk.
• Debates hinge on respect for nuance: player context, team strategy, and the difference between perception and intent.
• Both hosts stay true to their brands—Ocho brings lighthearted humor and player perspective; Unc supplies sharp analysis and a historical lens.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode is a must-listen for NFL fans who want:

• Honest, often unfiltered player insights on QB competitions, RB trades, and team-building decisions
• Detailed breakdowns of what separates good players from great ones
• Spirited discussions on positional value and Hall of Fame legacies
• The trademark banter and chemistry that makes Nightcap appointment listening

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Additional Highlights

• The Panthers’ trust in Young despite new additions
• Recognition of Sue Bird’s impact on women’s sports
• Fun with stats and historical lists—always “with a twist”

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If you crave candid, informed football talk mixed with witty repartee and the occasional culture or music tangent, this episode of Club Shay Shay delivers in spades.

Transcript

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Quarterback competition for Cleveland Browns will soon come to an end. Coach Devin Coach Kevin Stefanski said today that the team will name a starter this week. According to TheCleveland.com, the decision could come as soon as Monday, Stefanski said. We will name a starter is going to come this week. We still anticipate all of our players, whether you're a starter or not, to prepare like you the starter. Knowing all of our players in that room that's exactly what they'll do.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, we don't care about who going to be the starter. We know who the starter is going to be. We know who's starting. Joe Flacco, the starter. The starter. He's not there for one year to be sitting on the bench to get beat out by a rookie.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Either he's starting or you're gonna release.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

One or the other. There's no. There's no. Listen, the starter in Joe Flacco, the more important part, who's the number two? Who showed you enough in the preseason to be number two? And then the next question. Are you keeping four goddamn quarterbacks? Probably not. Again, I love all of them. I love what Shador showed. I love what Dylan Gabriel showed, despite the mistakes, despite the pick six, despite. And the fumble. So who's the odd man out? Because the odd man out is the person that we've already seen on two other teams. We saw you small sample size with the Steelers. Okay? And we saw you were back up with the Eagles, so obviously you're not the answer. No disrespect, no disrespect. You'll find a home regardless. But come on now, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I don't know Kevin Stefanski personally, where I could pick up the phone and call him. But I know that's how it's gonna play out. It is. And I. I know, Mr. Haslam, listen, I know you didn't want him. I know it was your pick. But Andrew Berry, I'm telling you, when, when this is over, when this is over and the dust settles, you're gonna look like a genius. I'm telling you, you got your quarterback of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, I hope so. Cause some of the hired, some of the coaches he's hired, he didn't look like no genius. But if he gets this quarterback situation right, all will be forgiven.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All it takes. And that's. That's for the other 32 teams. Well, excuse me, it's not 32 teams that are in dire need of a quarterback, but I'm just saying. You get what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know if I've ever seen a situation like quite like what's going on in Cleveland, because the guy that you brought, the two guys, the two veteran guys that you brought in, have yet to play. Now, maybe it was a situation. And, And I. I think this. I. I think because Joe Flacco didn't play, maybe they're. They're like, okay, look, we already know what you can do. We don't need to see you. No, no, shelf you. You know what I'm saying, Ocho, we're going to shelf you. The other, the other three, they were anticipating Kenny Pickett being able to play. So we can get a bet, we can get a look at him. But, but since he's been unable to play, basically it's been Gabriel and, and Shador. So I don't know how you can name anybody else other than the starter. I mean other than Flacco. How you, how you name a guy that hadn't taken a snap since what, August 3rd, August 4th. Excuse me. And name him the starter.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Damn. Well, here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Stranger. Stranger things have happened. But I, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Not since we. On the topic of quarterbacks, we talk about the Cleveland Browns and what they're going to do and who's going to be at be at the ham week one. Obviously we're know it's going to be Joe Flacco. Well, hell, what the Rams gonna do? They only got two weeks and goddamn Stafford ain't took a snap.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Stefan Benny look good though. They like Stephanie Bennett. They do. They do. They do. They like Steven. And all he did, all he did was just go to Georgia as a walk on backup and, and just become the greatest. The greatest Georgia quarterback he when it comes to Georgia players right now is Herschel Walker and Stetson Benny.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Of all the great players that have come out of Georgia offensively if hers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And it's because you see they look, first of all, Big Dog was a phenomenal player. Top Dog was a big. But he won the national championship as a freshman. Stetson Bennett went back to back as a walk on. Do you everybody love an underdog? Ocho, you say your favorite sports movie is Rudy. Now why do you like Rudy so much?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh yeah, he's Rudy. That was dope. Matter of fact. Hey, you know what? I was rooted today.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, you were Rudy Poo.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I was Rudy today.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But they like Stetson Bennett. They. The Rams like Stefan Bennett. I would be concerned that back. You know, back. Say, I don't know if you ever had anything with your back, but backs.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Ain'T nothing to play with and it gotta be. Gotta be serious too long.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Did he at any point in training camp has Stafford taking a snap? Did he practice at all?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I, I think he like early but then he just woke up and something was wrong with his body.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay, okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But he ain't. I mean it's been about two, three weeks.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean, they only been, they've only been in Camp 2. Yeah. Okay, okay, okay, okay. He did, he did otas and all that, though. He did ota.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay, so this must.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, we know Stafford can flat out, he can throw the football, and I think he gives them the best chance, but I do, but I, I, I, I think Sean McVeigh, they, they, they, they're high on ste's not the biggest, doesn't have the biggest arm. He's athletic. He, he does, he, he can make plays. And, you know, you probably have to coach him up kind of like you did golf.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But hey, the funny thing about it, it's for him again, we have a quarterback like that, that's a rookie. Maybe he has to start week one, you know, but you feel a little better as a quarterback. You feel a little better about. If Matt Stafford can't go because he's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Been in your system.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You got Kyron Williams, you got P. Nakua.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You got, you got my young bull from Miami. They gonna be all right. Yeah, they're gonna be all right. Goddamn Tutu Atwell, baby.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but I'm, I'm. Hey, look, I'm, we're gonna be, we, we have a lot to talk about tomorrow because once they name the starter, I'm, I'm trying to see the depth chart. Damn. The starter. I, I don't think he, I, I think we'll both agree neither one of the rookies will be named starter. So now I'm just looking for the depth chart. I'm just gonna see. Okay, well, who lines up at 2, 3, 4?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, well, listen, knowing Stefanski and Stefanski having the answer to the boss man, who, whose name is on the check, I can tell you how that's gonna look. Flacco? Gabriel Sanders.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, if that's the case, you might as well go ahead and release Kenny Pickett to give him a chance to go pick up somewhere else.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Oh, he gonna get his job regardless. He gonna get his job regardless.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We asked our IG chat this morning if they felt Dylan Gabriel comments were a shot at Shador. 85% felt yes. 85, 15, 11 over 11, 000 people responded. Ocho felt that he took a shot at, at your door.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, Unc, I listened, I listened to, I listened to the, to the question for better context on what he was saying. And I, I, I, I kind of, I kind of, I'm on the other side of the fence. If you listen to the question that Was asked and the way he answered it. Yeah, I'm trying to understand. Maybe you can help me understand how you guys still feel the shot was at your door when it was a specific question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So what did they ask him?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't remember. I don't remember exactly off the top of the head. But I'm just saying if you maybe asking. Show it to you real quick. Show the question that was asked to get a better understanding of the context on what he answered. Hey, chat. Y' all ever. If anybody in the chat smokes cigars, you got to try the Jaime Garcia, hear me? Jaime Garcia, 60G.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They ask him his comfort. Comfortability in front of a camera. Okay, Some guys are. Some guys are entertainers. They're real comfortable in front of the camera. That's what I would deduce. If you. If I ask you, Ocho, why are you so comfortable in front of an. In front of a camera?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Wait, stay right there. Stay right there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm an entertainer.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No act. Well, see, when you talk about me, I'm a theater and drama major. That's why I'm so good in front of camera. But.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, you're an entertainer.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So. So ain't nobody. Ain't nobody ask you that. So. No. So if. If they're talking about. If he says somebody's an entertainer, why we should do so? In other words, should do is uncomfortable in front of the camera. Why Ocho?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, I mean, he's had one in front of him all his life.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They didn't. They didn't ask him anything. All they asking, why are you so comfortable? I'm uncomfortable. Look, I've been a quarterback for an extended period of time. This is what I've been playing, the quarterback position. I understand what comes along with the quarterback position. I'm the CEO of the corporation. Ain't nobody ask you. Ain't nobody. Ain't nobody ask you about no entertainment.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, hey, Matter of fact, you know what I'm thinking about too, uncle? You know, I mean, there are many ways to think about it, you know, and. And people having opinions on how he said and who he's taking a shot at. But when everything is in your favor, especially in the situation you're in, depth chart wise, position wise, the owner wants you. Then I also think about, well, what the am I taking a shot for when I'm getting the grace from the people that matter? I. I don't know. I just. Listen, I factored all the different things. That's why I factored all the different things outside of Just always a shot at him. Well, hell, the owner's on my side. I'm starting this game. I mean, what the am I shooting for? What would be the point? There would be no need to because I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So let me ask you a question. Who go. Who goes to camp not ready to compete?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So he. So, so in other words, he's a competitor. I'm here to compete. Who in training camp isn't a competitor? You don't get to this level without competing. Absolutely. And when you go to training camp, unless you're the. Unless you're. And that's just the way your makeup is. Everybody competes. Even Patrick Mahomes competing against himself. So him saying that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hello. Speaking of. CBS reporter Gabriel was asked about his comfortability in front of a camera. There are entertainers and they are competitors, and I totally understand that. My job is to compete, and that's what I'm going to do. CBS reporter asked Gabriel about his comfortability in front of the camera. They are entertainers and they are competitors, and I totally understand that. My job is to compete and that's what I'm going to do.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Now again, I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ain't ask him nothing about no entertainment.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, hold on, hold on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He said he. There are entertainers.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hold on. Wait. Did you listen to me? Entertainers, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What do entertainers always have in front of them that are always comfortable in front of cameras? What are actors.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Entertainers. Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You make my point. Because. Because Shadow has always had what in front of him. So. But you say they take a shot at you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

No, see, see.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see, I walked right into that chat. I won't be right into walked it.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right. Y' all killing me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You said, you said Shador is good at this because he's had a camera in front of him his whole life. So what? So if he didn't take a shot, so who is he talking about?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

People that are always in front of the camera. That's why they're so comfortable. They're entertainers.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who. Who on his team had a camera in front of his life? His whole life?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't like how y' all do that, boy. Young innocent kid just answering the question and y' all just running with it. That probably ain't what he meant, man. God leave, boy. Y'. All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know what he meant. I don't know what he meant.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

All.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I know what he's saying. Say what you mean. Mean what you say? All he had all. He had all. Hey, being a quarterback playing at the University of Oregon.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You can't tell him how to answer. You can't tell a man how to answer a question. You can't do that. He answered the question the way he. Where he felt. And I just, I feel me being a player that has also played understanding the quarterback position, I don't think he was taking a shot at the person on his team that he's competing with. That's all.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Who asked him about entertainers?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's the way he wanted to answer the question.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Exactly.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You think in the middle of a game he's thinking about how should I answer this? You know what? This, this is a great time. Take a shot at Shador, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, that's why, that's, that's why, that's why you got to be careful. Because if you're not careful, if it come up, it'll come out. You don't, you don't think there. You don't think that he thinks that. No problem. This, that's your opinion. You don't believe he take a shot. Me and a lot of other people believe that he did take a shot. I'm not here to try to change.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm just telling you. I just think. I just think it's being a little. Being blown a little. A little out of proportion, and I don't think it's what he meant. What he needs to do is be better, be careful with his words and the way he words things.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Why you got to be careful?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Because he.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You say you want people to be truthful, now you want to be careful.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He was truthful. But I just think the meaning of what he's saying is being misconstrued, that's all. Hey, that's a big word for me. Misconstrued. That's a big word right there. Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But like I said, I just, we, we look at it differently because I don't think he. I, I think the thing is that, you know, especially that's why quarterbacks are so scripted, because they know anything they say is going to be. How is going to be misconstrued the big word that you use? That's why you always get. Tom is telling you now, Tom, like, oh, that guy's the greatest guy ever. He's like, oh, we going to him all day now he said what he said to the public. Now he's telling you what he actually thought. That's why quarterbacks, that's why, you know, you don't really get anything from the quarterback because they know the slightest twist or, you know, how it will be.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right, right, right, right, right. You right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why they're normally ultra scripted.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Listen. I like it. I like it. You listen things from two different lenses. You got two eyes. I only got one. So maybe that's why I can't see what you see.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

The commanders have been looking to trade running back Brian Robinson Jr. Jordan shorts, Jordan Schultz. Right now he's listed as RB1 on the depth chart. Austin Eckler number two and Jeremy McNichols number three.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Wait a minute.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You don't want to pay Terry McLaren. You want to trade running back number one, I'm assuming someone else must have really, really impressed in the preseason at the running back position without the even.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, you ain't got nobody but Austin Eckler And Jeremy, Jeremy McNichol, so you know what you get with Austin Eckler? He's more of a runner, he's more of a receiver than a runner. He went to the Pro bowl third down back.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You're not a runner.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I, I haven't, I didn't see, I haven't seen McNichols, but I, I'll take a look at it tomorrow and then I'll be able to give you, I'll be able to give you a clear picture. It's like. Okay, I understand.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I, I, I, what, what, what, what are we doing? Well, I, I, I don't know what we're doing over there in, in Washington. To have a season like you had last year, right? To have a season like you had last year, what would you want to do? I want to make sure we do everything possible from a business standpoint, especially when it comes to my number one receiver that my quarterback relied on that made a lot of plays for us last year in the regular season and the playoffs in making sure he signed and happy. Now, two weeks before the season start, we want to get rid of quarterback. Excuse me? We want to get rid of running back number one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The running back. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

What are we, what are we doing?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, somebody must have looked really good. I mean, when you trade your starter from last, you, you really trade your starter. Somebody must have looked, really look good.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Listen, I, I ain't heard about it, and I didn't watch every preseason game so far.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Well, like I said, we'll watch it tomorrow and we'll bet we'll be able to see, like, okay, now I can see why they're looking to move on from Brian Robinson Jr. But it's not like he's making a ton of money. He was a low round draft pick, wasn't he?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They gonna be all right, though, regardless of where they go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The, the quarterbacks, he's from Alabama, right?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The, the quarterback situation in Washington is so good.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Third round. Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's so good. Jaden Daniels is so good. Even without the running back, they still gonna be okay? Oh, yeah, they're gonna be okay. But if they don't get, if they don't get scary Terry. Done. I mean, what, what are we doing? We're going completely backwards.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just don't. I just don't see how he gets north of dk. I think and you and I agreed. I think he's in the 2830 million dollar range and that's not.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I said 30, I said 30. 30 year, you know. Come on man. I don't know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Abdul Carter did not like the NFL posted a clip posting a clip of the chip lock the Jets TE Stone smart put on it might be the only highlight of the jets all season. And they put. We put bta, you know what ate that like mofo chicken. I. I don't know if you ate it like chicken Abdul, but when you're a great pass rusher you're gonna get.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That that's what they gonna do to you. Matter of fact if he wasn't who. If he wasn't. If he wasn't who he was, you know what? He wouldn't be getting chipped. It's the preseason. Why are we chipping on the way out in the preseason? Because you him. You him. So the NFL is posting it for a reason. They posting for a reason because you are him. If it was anybody else, they wouldn't be posting it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh no one that wasn't that good. Well yeah well he a rookie first of all high round draft pick. The second pick. What the third. What is the third pick?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Second? No, third. Third. Third. It was. It was Cam Travis and then Travis.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Cuz Jacksonville traded up with Cleveland to get. But that's what you're gonna have to you and as you get better you'll be able to.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh yeah you, you know you though hell attack right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then. And when you see that guy there, you unload on him before he unloads on you. But it's all a part of the game.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Abdul.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You aren't a great player. They wouldn't even chip you. They let a tackle go ahead and handle that. The Panthers signed UFL MVP Bryce Perkins after Andy dawn elbow injury. Perkins threw 28 touch through. Perkins 28 through for 1342 yards, nine touchdowns with 269 rush yards and five touchdowns for the Michigan Panthers this season. Perkins spent time on the rams during the 20 through 22 seasons appearing in five games with one start. Uhoh.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You okay Andy D elbow.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah, I'm okay. I'm okay. And, and Andy. Andy be back. You know Bryce coming in. I mean we know who the starting quarterback is. We know who the starting quarterback is. You know, whoever the number two is. I mean that's cool, that's cool. But numero uno.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Take your ass to bed.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Bryce Young. Just get that thing to Jalen Coker. Get that thing to Brother Renfro. Get that thing to T. Mac. Get it. Xavier Leggett. Get it to Adam Thielen. We're gonna be all right. We got Trevor. Trevor, the running back, right? Did I say. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, they gonna be right. But I'm telling you, Panthers. Panthers. Playoff. Why I said it first. Keep pounding.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh. Top five cornerbacks in the NFL since 2000. Darrell Reevis. 1. Sherm. 2. Champ. 3. Gilmore.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

4.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Jalen Ramsey.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I like it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What would you change? Would you. Would you leave it the same?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I wouldn't change the goddamn thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I would put champ.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, well, okay. Oh, you mean numerically? Oh, yeah, numerically. Yeah, yeah, I'll put Champion too. Yeah, I like it how it is. I like how it is. Hey, people. I don't. I don't think people understand how, how good Stefan Gilmore was.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't think he was defensive player of the year.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean, you got.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, for, for when the DB gets defensive player of the year. That ain't been a whole lot of them now.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And Jaylen Ramsey, even still to this day. Another thing about Jaylen Ramsey that I, that I don't like is when we talk about the better corners, better man to man corners in the NFL, we're not mentioning Jaylen Ramsey's name enough. We're not. Still very good. Still very good in one on one situations. Whether playing off, whether playing up in, in, in man to man. And some people say, oh, well, he. This guy beat him. Everybody gets beat.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Everybody. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Nobody has a high percentage of times that he wins his matchups. A high percentage. And everybody that's on that list. Chat, chat, listen to me real quick. Everybody on that list. 95% of DBs in NFL games, they play not to get beat. And there's a short percentage of maybe 5% that play to make a play. There's a huge difference. Yeah, there's a huge difference. They're playing to make a play, not just playing not to get beat. I'm gonna run the scheme. I'm gonna keep the guy in front of me and he catches the ball, I make the tackle. No, these individuals, they trying to make a play.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And all of them are very good tacklers. Very good tacklers. I think Champ went to like 10 or 11 pro bowls. He was four or five time first team all pro. Led the league in picks one year. Gilly. Stefan Gilmore was defensive player of the year. He Had a great season that season. 2009. With that 2009 season when Reevis had an unbelievable season, but Charles Woodson won the defensive Player of the Year. Ramsay's just been good everywhere he's been. I'm surprised. It's just surprising to me that how good he's been, that he's been moved this many times. That's what's surprising to me.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, Jacksonville, you know, from Jacksonville to the Rams.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Rams to the Dolphins. Dolphins and Steelers. Rams. Rams has been good everywhere he's been. He ain't no slouch.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I know. No. No.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Can play multiple positions. I can see him move it, play in safety like you saw Charles Wilson and Rod Wilson later in their career move to the safety position. And Aniels Williams and Time.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean, they. They're going to be. I mean, they're going to be able to do a multitude of things with Ramsey in. In Pittsburgh. So that's going to be really interesting, the way they use him. Obviously, brother Joy Porter Jr. Is going to be on one side, and I'm not sure where Slay is going to be. And maybe when that team go to three receiver sets or four or five receivers, I'm. I'm, you know, telling how that's going to work out or what they going to do, but it's. It's going to be. They're going to have very many, very many options. And with that. That front four. That front four. That they have that ball. That ball got. That ball got to come out. Huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Are we saying Cam Hayward's going to be there or not be there?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I forgot about that. God damn it. God damn it. Is he really gonna stand on business too long, you think?

[Shannon Sharpe]

He seems like a distinguished gentleman.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Damn. But they just paid you last year. Un. You. I mean, how many times you ever seen a team. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, but he said, if I had to. If I had. If I'd have had two sacks. Y' all have cut me this year, too, even though you just paid me last year.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. Have you ever.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Have you ever seen, like, you do me sometime? Oh. Oo. I'm just giving you the other side. I got you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But let me ask you a question. Have you ever seen a team pay a player one season and. And a player play that well and they come right back and do a deal again?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I have not.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

There you go. And it is. They not gonna set the. They not gonna set the precedent.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I guess I said it's the first time for everything he said. I've seen. He Said, I've seen you, I've seen teams pay a player and cut him the next season.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's a good one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So we, we, we'll see. But that I think the only thing I think, and I think Sherman's phenomenal. I do bump him down just a tad because their defense didn't allow it for them to travel. They stayed on one side. Everybody else, everybody else in this picture, travel.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, you know, and I think it's.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Something to be said. I mean, I mean, think about it. If you played, if you played in the 80s and you followed Jerry Sterling Sharp, Chris Carter, Herman Moore, Andre Rising, you know what I'm saying? I mean, just think about your corner and that, and that was your assignment.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'll be with you. That's all I can say.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, Michael Irvin, Anthony Miller, you, you, you, you traveled for me. It's something to be said for a guy that'll travel that you willing to pick up frequent fly miles. But Sherm Sherman, phenomenal. And you know, and that's why he's an all decade player in the 2010s and rightfully so, because he, he was, he was that good. He was a quarter of the legion.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And another thing we talk about when we talk about those, those five corners, I want to talk about some corners that aren't listed in there that I think are deserving to be on that list as well. I got two, I got two that deserve to be on that top five. Asante Samuels and Patrick Peterson.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep, yep. I agree. I agree. Oh, you know what? I'm surprised Pat P. On there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, I'm not sure who, I'm not sure who made that list. But the funny thing about it is they were so good during their time. We talk about, I'm talking about Prime, Prime. Patrick Peterson, man. Man, stop playing. Even though he didn't travel. But that, that's, that's not what was asked of him.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That wasn't, that's, that's why, like I said, Sharon played the defense and he played it extremely well. Yeah, he played it extremely well. But for me, when you got, when you got to, you got take Brandon Marshall and take Ocho and take Cal and take Megatron and, and take to, and take Julio. I, I, I, bro, I got, I got, I got to get, I got to get.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Listen, do you understand the kind of bag, you understand the kind of toolbox you have to have as a DB to play against each one in receivers you just named knowing that you got to approach each situation differently. You gotta Your style of play has to be different based on who is man. That is why I say. And people will laugh at me, I. I say defensive back is the hardest position to play, especially if you're a traveling corner that has to have a man. Listen, you got to be on.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You think it's hard? You think. You think it's harder? Maybe. Maybe physically, but not mentally.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Quarterback, yes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

It's a mental game. Hold on. Timeout. Oh, this is a great conversation. Name the court, Patrick. I'm Patrick Peterson. One week. Say the receivers again. I got one week. I got to go against who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, you going against Julio.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Julio Jones. Fast, good. And bump and run. Can run routes like no other. I gotta travel with him for four quarters.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

My toolbox. My technique has to be perfect mentally in itself. That in itself is just like playing the quarterback position because you got to be on point. One mistake, one error, you done. That's six points.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Look, I'm not saying it's not easy, but at the quarterback, I gotta know, okay? This, this defensive front, let me. Instead of Liz, let me rip this. I need to know X, Y, Z. Running back, that mental. That there's a reason why. There's a reason why the quarterback playbook is this thick and defensive backs playbook is this thick.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But listen, even if. Even if the defensive back playbook is this small, right? Understanding what he has to go through. Understanding what he has to go through every down, think about all the coverages.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I gotta think about down in distance. I gotta think about position on the field. I gotta think about personnel. Are they in sub. Are they in spinner? Are they in three down scan quarter, cover four, cover six, cover five. They clouding it. They banjoin it, Ocho. I gotta know all of that and I gotta know, okay, who nickel, dime, sub. No, they inject. They in six, two. No, they're in a fight.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right, right, right. Nah. No, sir, honestly. Listen, One week I'm traveling. One week I got to. Next week I got Calvin Johnson. God damn. Next year. The next week I got Randy Moss and that man, man, please. And I'm. And I'm. And I'm traveling.

[Shannon Sharpe]

One week you got one week you got the Steelers defense with that 3, 4. The next week you got the Eagles defense with a 43. And the next week. And then the next week you got the Ravens.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And then the next week you got the Buccaneers. And then the next week you got Seattle. And the next week you got the jets. And the next week you got the Broncos. And then you got Bill Belichick. And then you got Rex Ryan. Then you got Wade Phillips. No, physically, corner is the toughest position because you're asking somebody. It's like Ginger Rogers and Fred Stare. She had to do everything that Fred Astaire did, but she had to do it backwards and she had to do it heels.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So I have to do everything that Julio is going to do, but unfortunately, I got to do it backwards.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But, hey, gun.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But not only must I know where. Must not only must I know where that DB is, I better find out where TJ Watt and Michael Parsons are.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But also.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And you know why. Why I'm at it. What the hell is Rokhan Smith gonna do? What is Ray Lewis gonna do? Him and old Earlach, are they up to something? No. Good. I know it. And I need to worry about Warren Sapp and Johnny Randall hitting me in the back of my damn head. What am I gonna do about Reggie White and Brute, resting soul and Brucie? Nah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know, you keep saying it's a physical. A physical game for the DBs. That's a mental game, Monk.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, it's mental.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's a mental game because now you got your job playing against some of the greats week in and week out is. I need to make sure I keep him thinking the whole time. I need to make sure I keep him thinking the whole time, whether it's. Whether it's lining up, whether it's lining up right in front of him, shading inside, maybe shading outside, continue to give him different looks. How can I throw the time into this offense off to be able to give me an advantage as a defensive back to slow him down? How can I mess up the timing of their offense? I mean, it's so much that goes into it outside of just a physical aspect. It's a chess match up here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But you know what, Ocho? Let's just say for the sake of argument, they're going to bombard it. They're going to throw in 15 passes. They will give him 15 targets. How many times you think I'm gonna throw the ball? And every time, I gotta be perfect. Cause if I'm late on the out. If I'm late on the outball. Tell the people, Tell the chat what's.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Gonna happen other way.

[Shannon Sharpe]

If. Hey, what happens if I. If I miss the hot Anthony Richardson? What happens when you miss the hot? If you don't re. If you don't redirect the line? The line was going to the left and you said okay, and you didn't Rip it and send it right. That's what you should have done. You should have ripped it. So that way you slide the line to the right. Now you. Since you look into the left, anybody comes off that side, you throw hot mentally. Nothing like the quarterback. It's the hard, the hardest. The hardest thing to do, I believe in professional sports, is hit a baseball. The hardest position to play is quarterback.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Okay. All right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why. That's why you can get. That's why you can get guys that's third or fourth rounders. And take off that quarterback position, man. Hey, how many times? How many times teams don't go 2, 3, 4. You just told me the Cleveland Browns had 35 starting quarterbacks. They don't have more starting quarterbacks than starting quarterbacks, and they got two of them.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I tell you what I got. I got another one for you. I'm gonna tell you, the Cleveland Browns have found probably their best corner they've ever had is Denzel Ward. You know how long it took for them to find a Denzel Ward? They had Lee Bottom. Lee Boden was really good. They had David McCutcheon.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, they. Just before your time. They had Hamper Dickett and Frank Minifield. They were really good.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They weren't. No, Denzel.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They were. They were. Hey, you didn't do some homework. They were really good. Yeah, no, Ocho. They were really good. Menfield and Dixon, they were real. No, Ocho. Yeah, they were really good. I'm trying to think who else Cleveland had. They had Joe Hayden.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I know you did, Joe, but listen, Joe was great. Joe was good. Joe was really good. Lee Bottom was very good. Daily. McCutcheon. Daily. Did I say it right? Remember Dale McCutcher from USC? Yeah, it was really good. But Denzel Ward.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Denzel.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah. Different ball game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Think about it. Okay, so name the quarterback equivalent of Denzel Ward in Cleveland. Named. Named. What you call them the equivalent of Joe Hayden. Quarterback in Cleveland. I just gave. You just gave me two cornerbacks. Now give me the quarterback equivalent.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

They haven't been able to find one.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, there you go. There you go. But look, this is. This is like you said, they left off Pat P. They left off Asante. I'm trying to think who else was. Yeah, that's two for sure. They left off Pat P. Bid to like, seven, eight Pro Bowls. I think Asante went to like, three, four Pro Bowls.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hold on. What?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Where the hell. Charles Woodson.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, shoot. I forgot about wood.

[Shannon Sharpe]

First of all, Wood. The man played the man played corner for 10 years. Damn, he wasn't no always no fan.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I don't know why that slipped my mind. Who the hell made this goddamn list? It shouldn't have been top five. They should have just said top ten. Because it's hard to squeeze five in when there's so many that's worthy of a spot.

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[Shannon Sharpe]

Ty Law.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Well, would be in that same conversation with Asante Samuels as well.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ty Law at the hall of Fame.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, I know, I know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

With three Super Bowls. It was, it was that bel. In the physicality that tie them dead. Remember on the, on the, on the Harrison and on, on the Greatest show on turf, how physical they were? Coach Belichick, that's Coach Belichick style. When he was with the Giants, they got physical with the Bills.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And the face. Yep, right up in your face.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, they left some people off, didn't live here. I'mma call Woody. Hey, Woody, they ain't got you on here.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Listen, that, that ain't, that ain't not doing. Whoever made that list.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, the Joe Milton hike may be already over in Dallas. Milton 9 of 18, 122 yards and one interception. With all the hype around Milton's arm, is he proven just to be a combine or is it still too early? Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Oh, that's, oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. It's great.

[Shannon Sharpe]

People get enamored with how far somebody can throw the ball. Tom Brady wasn't throwing the ball 70 yards. Joe Montana, Peyton Manning, all the great quarter. I mean, you, you've had, you've had a few Elway Marino, you've had a few quarterbacks that can throw the ball 65, 70 yards, but damn, is he accurate. Can you give me 40? And accurate as opposed to somebody could throw the ball 70, 80 yards? Because how many times you gonna throw this unless you throw the Hail Mary from your own damn 30 like Cordell Stewart. See you beat Michigan. When are you gonna use a 60, a 70 yard arm?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, you're right, you're right. I mean, listen, being able to do it, everyone's enamored with the arm strength and not understanding well, can you play in a structured environment, be able to make all three level throws? Can you throw the short stuff? Can you throw the intermediate stuff?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know, that's what I'm looking for.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, that's, that's, that's what it all comes down to. Having the arm strength, that's like being able to run routes, but also being fast. Being fast. Okay, that's great. That's a. Listen to being able to do everything else. Having a strong arm is great, but can you do the other things as well that are more important than just having the arm strength itself?

[Shannon Sharpe]

It's, it's like, it's like being able to jump in basketball. Boy, that Joe would jump out the gym. Can he play basketball? Can he shoot? Can he defend? That's what a big arm. Okay, Boy, that joke. Hey, he thought, hey, he could a one knee, Ocho. And split the uprights from the 50. Okay, so how many times he gonna be throwing it from his knee? Okay. When he stands on two feet and he's throwing a 12 yard out, can he complete it? When he throw it? When he throwing the 15 yard comeback or the hook, can't make it that.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

On the shallow cross don't make it that easy. Can he do all those throws with pressure coming at him and being able to step up in the pocket and still be accurate and make those throws?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's. I need you to be able to do some of the things under the rest. Can you do it under the rest? Cause I know when it's clean, every quarterback will look good. If it's a clean pocket, it's just like, man, the zone. Everybody can find the zone. Find a dead area in the zone. Ocho. Yeah, but when that joker said when he right there across from you, he want he 2 he 1 yard away from you and he's sitting down in your face. Can you get over then? And I ain't talking about take you all day. Because the quarterback can't be back there jacking, patting the ball. Damn, I'm about to talk like we talking football back there patting the football. Oh, I'm like, damn, son, how much time do you think the quarterback got that you gonna make five moves?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Ain't happening.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You're gonna run a stutter, go out and go.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But listen how you run a stutter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go out and go.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I will say I'm not sure how much patience teams have, but with a quarterback like that, that has that kind of arm, it would be a great project to continue to help develop him. Maybe in the right situation, he can be pivotal for an offense. Maybe not the Cowboys, maybe not the Cowboys, but somewhere. Just allow him to continue to develop under the right tutelage in the off season. Going to see a Jordan Palmer working on your game, not throwing the ball deep, working on your game all the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I would limit that. I wouldn't call. I wouldn't call a Hall a bunch of. Okay, he can throw the deep ball. It's the other stuff. See, this is what I have the utmost respect for Tyreek, because he didn't become reliant on his speed. He became a technician. Tyreek can run the route tree. When he first got into the league, he was mainly a gadget guy. They give it to him on jet sweeps and toss it to him and things like that. But Tyreek says, in order for me to be the type of player that I want to be, I'M going to have to learn this route tree. I'm gonna have to run the stop. I'm gonna have to run the out. I'm gonna have to run the slant. I'm have to run the comeback dig the over. I'm gonna have to run. I'm gonna have to be a complete. And he didn't become. Yeah, his speed is a added bonus. But Tyreek can run the tree. And a lot of times guys just become reliant on speed. They sloppy route. They just, they guys, if you just run, if you just run, the guy just gonna run right in front of you, he gonna pin you to the side and. And he gonna run your ass out of bounds. I don't care how much speed you got, if you don't stack that guy, he'll run you out of bounds. He gonna make. He'll make the quarterback make. He'll make you. He'll make you make the quarterback drop it down the chimney. Which means it has to be every time. You gotta stack it. As soon, hey, as soon as soon as you, you get around him, you got to start squeezing him back in to give your quarterback an opportunity to throw the ball over here, to put it right here.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

The only way he can get to the ball is going through, you go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Got to go through. You got to go up your back.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's a flag.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a flag. But I think sometimes, Ocho, when you've been blessed with an attribute, and in Joe Milton's case, it's his arm, I don't know if he's worked on the minutia, the fine details of playing the quarterback position. How many times you see Tom Brady how many times you see Tom Brady throw the ball 60 yards with Randy Moss?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I seen it a few times.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I bet he got more passes to Edelman and, and Wes Welker than he got to Randy Moss.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

And, and what's the other guy name? What Was the number? 80?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Clay Brown.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, not Amend. He got more completions to Amendola, to Edelman and Welker than he does Moss. Cuz. What's his. What was that offense predicated on? Now it was great because you got an opportunity to see him throw the ball down the field. But what was Tom Poom.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Listen up. With Tom Brady in that offense in New England all those years is probably one of the few offenses, or maybe the only offense where the offense is run from the inside out. Yeah, it's not red from the outside in, it's red from the inside out, which is why West Walker was so good. Amendola, tight ends, hell, even the backs.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's why. That's why they weren't reliant, man. It just. They weren't reliant on outside guys. Outside the numbers. They've only had really one. Everything else was inside. When you go back and study them, you look at Troy Brown, you look at Patton, and you look at Dion Branch, you look at Amendoli and Welker and Edelman, they were inside the number. Guys really, that. That couple of years that they had Moss. What was that? 2007, 2008. Well, 2007, because 2008, Brady got hurt, and that's with Castle, and I think most came back. What played one more year might have played one more year with Brady. 2009, I think. I know he played two years there.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

7 and 8 was that 23 touchdown season.

[Shannon Sharpe]

2007, that was the year they got beaten the Super Bowl. That was perfect. They were undefeated when they played the Giants in Arizona.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Man, they. Boy, they. Boy, they lit it up that season. Boy.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The super bowl logo theory is back. Lions vs. The Ravens, super bowl confirmed. Look at that, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Lions versus who?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ravens.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I have a question. When they made the logo last year, before. Before the season started, who was on the logo last year? Did they get it right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Madden 26 also did a simulation, and they had the packers beating the Ravens in the Super Bowl. So who's on the thing last year? Who did they have the colors? Because I guess they looking at the colorways, and you're looking at the purple and you're looking at the sky blue. That's the lion's color. So last year, it was the Eagles. Chiefs.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Whoa. Serious?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yep.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

So. So Lamar Jackson gonna get his super bowl this year.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, 26 got the packers beating the Ravens, but the. The logo thing, it didn't say who's winning.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, that's interesting. I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

There's last year's yolk logo. You see the red, and then you see the green.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Wait, okay, you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You see?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's dope. I don't know. I don't know if that's possible. And I know it's gonna be the Bengals, but. Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Nah, they ain't say nothing about the Bengals. Ocho, I'm sorry.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You do see. You do. Hey, you do see my team doing something they haven't done before, playing in the preseason, right? The starters, Joe Burrow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, I kind of see your team doing something they've done A lot missed the playoffs.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. So, hey, listen. It's all fun and games now. It's all fun and games now.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho hall of Fame pass rusher, HBCU alum, Texas Southern alum Michael Strahan said he used to eat fast food before every NFL game he played in. I used to actually stop at fast food restaurants and eat before I got to the stadium. That was my pre game meal.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

But don't listen to me. Don't listen to me. I've been saying it for a very long time. All the greats have done it. I'm not saying I was great. I'm just saying I played at a very high level for a very long time while entertaining at the same time. You was always hurt, though. Look. Michael Jordan pre game meal is well documented. It was McDonald's Usain Bolt. It's well documented.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The pregame pre. If you want to eat it once or twice, that's fine. That was your staple. There's a difference. He said before every game he didn't play a game every day.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I know. I ate it before every game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You ate it every day.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Right. But that's why I didn't get hurt.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I like that. That's dope. That's dope. I'm glad Mike came out and said that, man. It further proves. It further proves it don't prove my method about Ocho versus science. And I've been winning for a very long time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Sue Bird is now officially enshrined in bronze in Seattle as the first WNBA statue in history.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

That's raw. Yeah, I like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Got the ponytail waving.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, man, listen, I. I know. You know what I'm do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

DT gonna be the next one.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Deanna Taurasi.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. DT Cat. But hell, where would Candace Parker gonna be? Would it be at the Sparks or Chicags?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, what. What if I get a statue like that? I'm gonna get a statue made. I'm just put it out there in front of. In front of Paycor Stadium. I'm gonna put it there on my own.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah. I'm put. I'm put it. I'm.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's nice. That's a. That's a huge. An unbelievable honor. And. And, and. And. And deserving. What? Oh, Maya Moore. Maya Moore definitely needs to get one in front of Minnesota. They ain't got no team no more, man. Nobody putting up. Whoa. They ain't got no team.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, they need. You know what? Speaking of statues. Statues. Whoever did Joe Bus and. And. And Ed reading all them, they need to Go be Wade statue. They need to redo it. I'm for real, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Blair did mine and it reads.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, they need. They need. Yeah, yeah. Any redo. Redo d. Wade's, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Go ahead.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm just saying. I'm just saying the head was too small for the statue, for the body.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But Suzanne look well. Looks well and very well deserving, but there. I think they're going to be a few. Obviously my. Or not Myanmar. Asia. Asia's gonna get one. She already got one at University of South Carolina, so she's gonna have another one out here. NBA Youngboy with the same amount of top 10 albums as Jay Z and Nas is crazy. Here are some rappers with the most top 10 albums in Billboard's top 200 chart history. Surprised by any of these? Ocho Future got 18. Drake 17. Hov 16. Nas 16. NBA YoungBoy.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm not surprised by none of them.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Now, listen, rappers with the Most Billboard top 10 albums. Eminem, 13. Kanye west is number seven with 13. Lil Wayne 13. Jeezy got 11. Snoop Doble G got 11.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, that. That. That can't. That can't be surprising at all because all. All of those are the.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The NBA young boys up there. Historically. Yeah, it is. I'm surprised.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You are surprised about NBA young boy. Yeah, well, hey, well, you better get hit, right? My kids. My kids put me down and got me understanding NBA Youngboy. But he like that. He like. He like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Do you see the names that's on that list?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, see the names?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Like, do you.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Do you understand who NBA Youngboy is Clearly a young, young bull like that, huh, Boy out of New Orleans now. He the real deal. He the real deal.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That man want that man tied with hoving off. That man got more. That man got more than M. M more than Kanye, more than Wheezy, more than G. It's hard, man. Let me. Let's move on. I don't even want to talk about this no more. All. Let me do it again. Let's move. I'm moving on.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm G. Tell you what song to listen to. Hold on, I'm G. Tell you what song listen to. Why you talk about NBA young boy? Young boy. Boy, he be snapping. Boy, hold on. I'm. Damn. What song was that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

And I gotta find this song.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Kevin Norwood Jr. Said, Ocho, what happened to that 22, 11, 8 game today? I could get three. Three points, 10 assists. You had us all Believing in you, Ocho.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I mean, we won the game. Believe in that. We won the game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Ocho said he won the game. Triple X Cup Saturday. Ocho got to change the name. Ochocido. You know what that means in Spanish, right, don't you?

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Zero. You got to say it right, huh? Say it right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm glad you know what I mean? That's what. We can move on. We can move on. I just want to make sure you pronounce it right. So you know, it was zero. Aaron Jones said, man, who wrote that top five cornerback list? It must have been Jalen Ramsey, cousin. Cause ain't no way did we forget about Pat P. Asante and Woodson.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, yeah, listen. They they should did top 10 because there's too many. It's too many players that are deserving to be in that top five that weren't in there. And depending on who you ask, the top five would change, obviously. I'm trying to find that NBA young boy song for you, huh?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, see, you gotta find it. Rob. Rob live said, whatever happened to Michael Crabtree? He was a dog.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I see. I saw Michael Crabtree when I was in Houston that one time. I went to watch the. The Tank fight me. Andre Johnson and Jonathan Joseph. Crab. Crab Cheek was there. He. He got there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay. Big Red. Big Gad said, hey, Unc, I went back and watched the Ravens vs the Giants full game on YouTube, y'. All. Defense was serious. I was born in 2002. I never seen a defense that. That, that for real. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Hey, I'm glad you just said it. Talk about defense, man. People on Twitter arguing me down that the Legion of Boom was better than the Raven 2000 defense, man. And they talk about, oh, it's a different era. Oh, they held Peyton Manning at eight points in the Super Bowl. I'm not.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Boy.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm. Man. I just. I just.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Uncle Nocho, is Edelman a first ballot hall of Famer also? Guys eligible, do they. Do they look at Breeds or Philip Rivers for first ballot? Well, Breeze is the first ballot. Edelman is not going on the first. Do y' all know. Do y' all understand there have only been a handful of receivers that's gone in on the first ballot for a wide receiver. That is a hard position to go in.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yep.

[Shannon Sharpe]

On the first ballot. Hell, I'm. It's. Ooh, they might not be about five or six, maybe five guys that's gone in on the first ballot for the wide receiver. I think Megatron went in the first ballot. Randy did Steve larger. Jerry. I Think he played with Cleveland and Lance Paul Warfield. I think he was the first ballot, but it ain't been a whole bunch.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

You know what? Out of all them people that was first ballot and those that had to wait, you know who didn't? Me. You know why I ain't wait? I put my own damn jacket on in the middle of a game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Dr. Frankie L. Bellamy. Have y' all seen Highest to Lowest? Oh, that's out.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

I'm gonna watch that. Hey, it's on. Oh, I gotta go to the theater. Huh.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I guess. I guess it just came out.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Is in theaters or is it. Is it on the street? Is it streaming? Can I watch it in here in the hotel?

[Shannon Sharpe]

But, Doc, let me. I'm gonna go ahead and finish your doc's question. Question. I think you would have been great in it. The movie with Denzel and your cousin.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, you know, my cousin. He can act now. He act. He act.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, Lord have mercy.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Yeah, what he got?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You'll be able to stream it on September 5th.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Matter of fact, when I get to Miami tomorrow, I'm go check it out. I'm gonna go check it out tomorrow.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That concludes.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

Damn. I was trying to fight an NBA youngboy song for you. I'm gonna find it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. Yeah, that lets me know, right? No, you gotta.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

He has told me too many albums. I want one specific song, so you understand. I think it's off the Never Broke Again album, but I don't think that's it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm your favorite Oak. Shannon Sharp, my partner and co host, Liberty City Zone Madden, ratings adjuster, Bingo's Ring of Fame honoree, the Pro Bowler, the All Pro, he's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button. And guys, go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed. Wherever you get your podcast from. Thank each and every one of you for your support and your continued support. Because thanks to you, we've been able to accomplish only great things. Thank you from Ocho, Unc and all the crew at Nightcap. Thank you very much. My cognac. Laportier have the new drop. And this one is very personal to me. I've created a limited edition release to honor my brother Sterling for his induction into the Pro Football hall of Fame. It's not just a bottle. It's a tribute. It's a celebration of a legacy. And once they're gone, they're gone. The hall of Fame edition is officially live. Just head over to laportierconac.com to grab yours while you still can. Don't miss a chance to own a piece of history in a very very special moment. Please go follow my media company page on all of his platforms, Shay Shay Media and my clothing company. 84 with 84 being spelled out, that link is pinned in the chat. Ocho had a trip, had a triple single, 0 points, 3 assists, 7 rebounds on 0% field goal shooting, but his team was able to win. I'm up. He's oo. We'll see you tomorrow after the Bengals.

[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

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[Shannon Sharpe]

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[Chad Johnson (Ochocinco)]

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