Nightcap Hour 3: Anthony Edwards BACK For GAME 1?! + Q & Ayyyy

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Nightcap Hour 3 – Anthony Edwards BACK For GAME 1?! + Q & Ayyyy

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe ("Shannon Van Dam"), Chad Ochocinco Johnson, ISO Joe Johnson
Date: May 4, 2026
Episode Description: Shannon Sharpe, NFL legend, sits down with athletes, celebrities, and influencers to discuss current sports headlines, life stories, and engaging fan Q&A. In this episode, the crew breaks down Anthony Edwards’ return, dives into NBA Playoffs, tackles fan voicemails, debates LeBron’s legacy, and talks board games, fishing—and even surviving on a deserted island.

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Episode Overview

The primary focus of the episode is the NBA playoffs, especially the anticipated return of Anthony Edwards for Game 1 against the Spurs, with spirited discussion about team strategies, playoff upsets, and individual legacies. The crew takes fan questions on everything from sports legends to survival skills, while mixing in plenty of signature banter and camaraderie.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Anthony Edwards’ Return and Timberwolves' Odds vs. Spurs

[03:37–07:00]

• Theme: Anthony Edwards’ status, Minnesota’s chances against San Antonio.
  • Edwards has been cleared for on-court activities and is questionable for Game 1 (returned to running on the underwater treadmill).
  • Ocho and Joe question what seeing him on the underwater treadmill really means – it's not full weight-bearing, so not a firm "he's back" indicator.
    • “That underwater treadmill, we've all been on them...you really don't have your body weight running on that.” — Shannon Van Dam [05:17]
  • Ocho says Minnesota could try to steal a road win and save Edwards for home games, letting him heal more.
  • Joe touts Timberwolves’ fight, praises McDaniels, and expects a tough, gritty series.

Rudy Gobert and Karl-Anthony Towns vs. Victor Wembanyama

[07:00–08:34]

• Consensus: Minnesota’s big men (Gobert and Towns) must showcase new wrinkles to counter “the alien” Wembanyama.
  • “This series...I want you all to show him something different. Rudy, I just seen you give [Jokic] hell every night...now you’re playing the alien.” — ISO Joe Johnson [07:20]

NBA Playoff Parlay & Betting Talk

[09:08–09:52]

• Ocho runs down a successful fantasy parlay, joking about “nice little come up.”

The Value of Courtside Tickets at Madison Square Garden

[09:56–12:18]

• Lively discussion about sitting courtside at the Knicks game; $50,000+ a seat.
• Joe petitions Knicks owner James Dolan for tickets:
  • “James Dolan, what’s up? It’s Ocho...If you could do me a favor...When the Knicks play in the Garden, I would love to be a guest of yours...because they told me Cat can’t do something, and I want to witness Cat do it.” — ISO Joe Johnson [11:19]

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Listener Q&A & Fan Voicemails

Coaches Celebrating Wins (But Nitpicking Mistakes)

[12:58–14:52]

• Listeners ask: Ever have a coach ruin the celebration after a “win”?
  • Ocho: Yes, happened often if a tight win should have been a blowout.
  • Shannon: Coaches often wait until film sessions to get on players for mistakes, even after wins.

SGA’s Place Among All-Time Guards

[15:18–18:50]

• SGA wins another title—where does he rank?
  • SGA isn’t leapfrogging Magic or Steph “with just two [championships and MVPs].”
  • If he wins back-to-back MVPs/titles: “Boy, that put him in some elite company.” — Shannon [18:50]
  • Breakdown of historical back-to-back MVP/title winners—LeBron, Jordan, Bird.

Baseball Challenge & Multi-Sport Banter

[19:51–22:04]

• Listener dares the hosts to a batting cage challenge.
• Braggy trash talk: “I know I can out-bat you, too.” — Ocho [20:50]
• ISO checks out of baseball talk, focusing on football and basketball instead.

Jazz Love & Nightcap Listener Shoutout

[26:32–27:55]

• FSU Jazz grad thanks the show for helping him through school.
  • “Congratulations, young bull...Now you’re talking about that Tahoe language! You hear me?” — ISO Joe Johnson [27:44]

Playoff Letdowns and Sports Betting Woes

[27:58–28:59]

• Listener vents about lost parlays and CJ McCollum’s underperformance.
• More playful gambling ribbing among the hosts.

Why Are LeBron’s Expectations So High?

[30:02–41:19]

• Big listener question: Why are the expectations so much higher for LeBron, age 41, than for a prime Jokic?

  • Joe: “It’s LeBron, though. It’s different...he’s the chosen one.” [30:48]

  • Shannon: Why didn’t MJ (final years) or Kobe (final seasons) get the same standard? Says fans hold LeBron to impossible standards largely due to his never-before-seen longevity.

    • “People say, ‘LeBron James was never going to be able to play like this at age 40. What Michael’s doing right now at 40, LeBron will never be able to do.’ Are y' all sure about that?” — Shannon [36:00]
    • “It’s the hate LeBron gets for his longevity...they crucify him for that, because he’s got all the records.” — Ocho [36:28]

  • Discussion of ring culture, shifting “GOAT” criteria.

  • “If I like you, you can’t do no wrong in my eyes. But if I don’t, you can do no good...that’s just the way it is.” — Shannon [43:15]

The Difficulty of Playing in the Social Media Era

[47:10–47:36]

• Shannon: Modern era’s non-stop scrutiny makes stardom tougher than ever.

NBA Playoffs, Series Format, and TV Money

[48:30–49:41]

• Reminiscing on past playoff formats (best of three/five) and why more games means more money for leagues.

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Lighthearted Segments & Banter

Fishing Challenge Bragging

[50:57–57:43]

• Plans for an on-air fishing tournament—lots of confident smack talk.
  • “I'm him.” — Shannon Van Dam, claiming bass-fishing GOAT status [57:23]
  • “I'm gonna use earthworms. I ain't gonna use nothing else. And I'm gonna still beat you.” — ISO Joe [53:05]
  • Ocho: Childhood fishing stories and “just catching fish to eat, not hang on the wall.”

Survival on a Deserted Island

[75:13–79:48]

• Each host humorously lists five “must-haves” for survival.
  • Ocho: Boombox, TV/video games, fishing pole (no knife/fire necessary, he claims!).
  • ISO: Tent, cigars + lighter, music, Cub Scout knife/machete, pot.
  • Shannon: Lighter, machete, tent, radio.

Best Board Games & Monopoly Trash Talk

[70:00–71:46]

• Favorite board games: Monopoly, Clue.
  • “I like Monopoly too, Joe. I beat your ass in Monopoly.” — Shannon [71:07]

Q&A Grab Bag

• Best defenders played against: Ron Artest (ISO Joe’s pick) [70:19]

• Difference raising daughters vs. sons: “Girls make you soft, bro.” — Ocho [81:45]

• System vs. Superstar for Building a Champion

  • "You need a star, bro.” — Ocho [84:37]
  • Shannon: “You better have somebody that can operate that system.” [86:12]

• More fun: favorite jokes, odd scenarios (e.g., can a fat guy skinny-dip?), and fan relationship questions.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

Anthony Edwards Watch

• “That underwater treadmill, we've all been on them...you really don't have your body weight running on that.” — Shannon Van Dam [05:17]

On Rudy Gobert vs. Wembanyama

• “You gotta go see me and be, show him something different this series. Cat, I know you gonna see this...show them different.” — ISO Joe Johnson [07:20]

LeBron’s Legacy Debate

• “People say, ‘LeBron James was never going to be able to play like this at age 40. What Michael’s doing right now at 40, LeBron will never be able to do.’ Are y' all sure about that?” — Shannon [36:00]
• “It’s the hate LeBron gets for his longevity...they crucify him for that, because he’s got all the records.” — Ocho [36:28]

Fishing Bravado

• “I'm him.” — Shannon Van Dam [57:23]

System vs. Stars in Sports

• “You better have somebody that can operate that system. Yes, sir.” — Shannon [86:12]

Relationships & Simp Talk

• “If I like somebody, I’m gonna do for that person. It’s really that simple.” — Shannon [65:02]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment | |------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:37 | Anthony Edwards status and playoff series preview | | 07:20 | Rudy Gobert/Cat vs. Wembanyama strategies | | 09:08 | NBA Playoff parlay segment | | 09:56 | Knicks courtside seat debate | | 12:58 | Celebrating wins: coaches and locker room stories | | 15:18 | SGA’s potential legacy among guards | | 30:02 | LeBron standards vs. other superstars | | 36:00 | LeBron’s longevity and shifting GOAT standards | | 47:10 | Social media and athlete scrutiny | | 50:57 | On-air fishing tournament challenge and stories | | 70:00 | Board games and Monopoly trash talk | | 75:13 | Deserted island survival picks | | 81:45 | Raising daughters vs. sons | | 84:37 | "System vs. Superstar" championship debate | | 86:32 | NBA Playoffs summary wrap-up |

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Final Wrap-Up Summary

Episode Takeaways

• Anthony Edwards’ near return adds intrigue to the Spurs-Timberwolves series.
• The hosts dissect matchups, playoff betting, and franchise star expectations.
• Listener questions drive debates about player legacies, sports values, and even offbeat topics like fishing and monopoly.
• The group’s chemistry shines in playful yet insightful debates on LeBron’s “GOAT” status, superstar impact, and the often unreasonable standards set for sports icons.
• The episode blends sports analysis, locker room wisdom, and genuine humor, making it equal parts insightful and entertaining.

For NBA, NFL, and sports debate fans—plus anyone who loves unscripted Q&A and locker-room banter—this Nightcap delivers a bit of everything.

Transcript

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[Shannon Van Dam]

Anthony Edwards has been cleared for on court activities and is questionable for Game 1 versus the spurs on Monday night. Edwards released a YouTube video on his personal page Sunday morning that included clips of him running on the underwater treadmill. Joe, is this good enough? Does Ant man coming back, does that help? Does that give Minnesota an advantage? Can.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Can.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Even with Ant man back, do they have enough to upset the number two seed Spurs?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, they got enough if you ask me. Yeah. But with him running on that underwater treadmill, that don't give me no good sense of hope that he coming back right now like the first game or second game. You know, I, I think that the thing that Minnesota has that they can kind of play with is that, you know, he don't have to play the first two games. If you just want to keep it 100, Uncle Ocho, because you know you can go in there, hopefully hope to try and steal a game in, in San Antonio.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

But have ant man 100% healthy for games three and four when you at home, bro, I think that's, that's the most pivotal point. That would be the most pivotal point of the season. But can he can, can they, can they upset the Spurs? I, I think it's possible, bro. I like, I like what I've seen from the Timberwolves, you know, gritty, hungry team if McDaniels can stay assertive, you know, continue to play like that offensively and guard defensively.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What? Hey, this would be a hell of a series because they both got a bunch of guys who they can throw at you in many different forms and facets, so I'm looking forward to this.

[Shannon Van Dam]

The thing that I agree with you, Joe, the underwater treadmill. Don't tell me anything because there's no buoyancy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

There you go.

[Shannon Van Dam]

You see, the thing is the problem. That ain't running on the wood because you got the water, Ocho. And so you really don't have your body weight running on that. Yeah, that's why a lot of times they do aquatic training, because you're able to do things because you don't have your natural body weight that's pounding. So you're a lot more buoyant than what you would be now. Now, if he was jogging on a regular treadmill, I was like, okay, Joe, there you go. Like the size of this.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

But that underwater treadmill, we've all been on them. Well, I know you ain't been on Ocho, because I ain't got that in Cincinnati.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn, oj. You ain't never ran on no underwater

[ISO Joe Johnson]

treadmill, Ojo, I ain't never been hurt to get on there, but we had one.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You have to be hurt. You do it for recovery.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Now, my recovery, I get in the cold tub, Joe?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nah, bro, it's active recovery. Meaning what?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I like the cold tub from the neck down, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm talking about active recovery, bro. I'm talking about, you know, something that keeps the blood flow, keeps you moving. I ain't saying where you just sitting still in the cold tub. I understand that part, but that underwater. That underwater treadmill, boy.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That thing a beast.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, we had. We had one. It low. It lower itself down.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I seen joint. That's the big joint.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it was big. You know, it had some of the fellas, and they also had the current that pushed back. It pushed back on you? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't. I ain't never got in there, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, I used to love getting there. I thought I was. I thought I was on the beach some. Damn. Well, I'll be up in there swimming, having a good old time.

[Shannon Van Dam]

But it's gonna be. It's gonna be. It'd be very interesting to see Rudy and his countrymen going at it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Oh,

[Shannon Van Dam]

okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, the question is, can Rudy slow him down? I ain't saying stop him. Can he slow him down.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You saw what he did to joke, didn't you?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Just a different. They too slowly. They got two.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

There we go again.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Two different body types. Oh, Joe. Two different.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Man. Listen. Hey, Rudy. Hey, Rudy and Cat, I want you. I want to make sure y' all here what uncle and Joe talk about on the show, what y' all can't do cuz you facing Wimby and you got to go see me and be show him something different. This series. Cat. I know you gonna see this. Somebody that know you gonna clip it. They telling me you can't go down in the block and give him beating drumming at work. Something different. Rudy, I just seen you give yogic hell,

[Shannon Van Dam]

huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Every night. And they telling me now. Cause you finna play the alien now all of a sudden you ain't. Nobody show them different.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I tell you what. If you ask the Knicks, I don't know if they'll be honest, who they'd rather play, Boston or Philly? It wouldn't have been Philly. Anybody Won't nobody want to see Philly right now, bro.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Not with.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Indeed no sir.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All right. Oh, the same. And baby, that. That y' all would talk about my dog. You talk about he was hurt and he missed 200000 games. Huh? That embiid.

[Shannon Van Dam]

He was hurt.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hold on. The MB that I told you the reason they paid him, but they paid him because of how special he was once you get on the court.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah, that one. Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, okay.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah, that one.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's what.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey. Hey, Cat. Hey, Cat. And go Bear. Listen to your boy. I'm locked in with you. I believe in you. Let's go. I might be new to this basketball, but I'm catching on. I'm catching on, Man. Cat gonna have goddamn and be down in that low.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Hey, Joe, we won't.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What? Remember my Friday lineup We hit Cade

[Shannon Van Dam]

K would need to have more than 29 and a half.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

One Desmond Bain would make more than two and a half threes. One Brandon Ingle would. Would score less than 19, didn't play at all. That definitely helps. Scotty Barnes would have at least 34, 35. 34 and a half points, rebounds and assists. 34 and a half. He had 46. And Rui had more than 11 and a half. 21.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man, what y' all talking about?

[Shannon Van Dam]

So if you bet with your a. If you put down your money with them, guess what? You got your nice little something Got your nice little come up.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hello.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Nice little come up.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hello. Hello.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Nice.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey. Hey. Y' all got me hyped now, man.

[Shannon Van Dam]

What's up?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, hey. You know anybody over in New York who work for the Knicks? Joe, you know anybody?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nah. Would you? Yeah, I know some people.

[Shannon Van Dam]

What you need?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm going to a game because, see, now y' all see. Y' all got me hyped. Y' all got me hyped. Y' all talk about. Y' all talk about game.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You ain't going no next game.

[Caleb (Listener Voicemail)]

You.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You trying to buy you a ticket.

[Shannon Van Dam]

You ain't. You ain't. You ain't getting a ticket. Less than 50 bands.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Van Dam]

You see a courtside, 50 band.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What?

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah, you see courtside of the Knicks game?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, you had your chance to sit courtside. You had it. You had it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hold on. Time out, time out. Hey, that's the Hawks. Nobody want to see the Hawks. I'm talking about. Hey, we talk. Hey, we talk about going to the Garden. We talk about going to the Garden. We ain't talking about Magic City Wings right now.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Do you see who be sitting at the Garden?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah, I ain't. I ain't never seen Jerry Seinfeld.

[Shannon Van Dam]

You see those people that be sitting at the Garden?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, that front row.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I mean, and they. And they playing the Sixers.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. So y' all saying I can't get a ticket because it's me?

[Shannon Van Dam]

How much you have to pay for it?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Like I said, you're gonna pay at

[ISO Joe Johnson]

least 50. Who the owner? Who the owner?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Dolan.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Chris. Chris Dolan?

[Shannon Van Dam]

No, Jim. James Dolan.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, James Dolan. What's up? It's Ocho. He the third half of Nightcap. If you could do me a favor. I know ticks expensive. I know somebody gonna clip this and send it to you. If you can do me a favor. Yeah. When the Knicks play in the Garden, I would love to be a guest of yours. You're plus one, huh? I just want to put my feet on the wood because they told me Cat can't do something, and I want to witness Cat do it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That ain't gonna happen. You ain't gonna be there part nowhere. Dolan ain't even getting back to you. I'm just gonna keep it 100.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You don't think so?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hell, no.

[Shannon Van Dam]

You see Spike Lee? Yeah. I mean, you need. You need to see who on the front row at the. At the. The Garden.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, what you acting. You acting like.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Y. Y. You acting like oo can't be front on the wood at the garden. Now this.

[Shannon Van Dam]

This me.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, we ain't talking about no slouch now. You talking about one of the greatest of all time, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What we talking about, Mr. Dolan? Prove him wrong for me, baby.

[Shannon Van Dam]

And the real fact that you said you the third half, he like. Nah, we good.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, I'm only the third half because when it comes to talking, this Sport ain't no 3. I come last.

[Shannon Van Dam]

It's 2. You're third. You could be a third, but you can't be the third half.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All right, all right, look here. Come on now, professor, Professor Sharp. Mr. Dolan, Holl your boy.

[Shannon Van Dam]

All right, it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q and A.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Come on, Mr. Dolan. Come through for your boy. Hey, Cat, don't forget what they said about us, boy.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Before we get to our super chat, we got six video voicemails from our discord. Let's take a listen to one of them. Lakers win. I don't know why y' all thought this was going to seven games. Hey, listen, we got gold, James. It ain't none you gotta worry about. All right, listen, I got a question for y' all three. Unc would tell us, never accept anything in the win. You wouldn't end a loss, right? So has there ever been a time in y' all careers, big game, playoff game, maybe a really hard fought regular season game where y' all won the game and y' all celebrating the locker room and coach come in, just bust it all up on mad.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I. I know it's happened with me. I just can't pinpoint a game. It's like, you know, you come in, you have, you've been to one a game, but hell, a game y' all supposed to have won by like 15 or 20. And maybe you only want it by 2 or 3 cause you're messing around, bull jiving. So I know that doesn't happen numerous of times. I just can't pinpoint not one, I can't pinpoint one game, but I know

[Shannon Van Dam]

normally that happens on Wednesday. We always celebrate, you know, hey, he would always say, you know, we win the game. He's like, look, we know we can play, play better, but we'll, we'll take this win. We'll look at, we'll look at the, you know, look at the tape on Monday and when you come in on Tuesday, hey, we can assess it. Yeah, so after the game, after we won. Now it's really not Too much said. We celebrate the win. Obviously, you lose the ball game. Everybody's down. Really quiet, really somber. It's Wednesday when you get back, and they've had an opportunity to look at the film.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

And see what could have been. To see all the mistakes that we did make. A lot of the mistakes that we made of stuff that we covered. That's what makes coaches upset. It's things that we. We got beat on, things that we had talked about we knew they were going to do, and we knew it in the area they going to do it. We knew it at the down. They were going to do it, and they did it, and we got beat with it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

That's when he would get upset. So, no, not after the game, per se, but come Wednesday. Oh, you gonna hear. You will hear about it. Ocho. Them didn't win too much in Cincinnati, so they were always disappointed.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I. I won. Hey, Joe. I won.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Here's our second one. Let's take a listen to this one. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Joe, normally.

[Shannon Van Dam]

But let me ask y' all this. If SGA win another title, where do

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

we have to put him as far as guards?

[Shannon Van Dam]

All guards. Let me know.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You meaning, like, in this era?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All time.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, no.

[Shannon Van Dam]

He ain't going in front of Magic and Steph. So let's start there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You said he not.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Hell no.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

N. No, no. Not with just two. Two mvp, two to championships. But damn it, you raising your eyebrow up. You hear me? Yes, Your eyebrow. Because at the rate he's on, with the efficiency that he plays with, and this might be the toughest run for him. Uncle Oo. If y' all just want to keep it 100, the fact that I can't see J Dub really coming back and being that guy who they really going to need due to that hamstring. I mean, hell, we all done had them hamstring injuries. We know how tough they are to come back from and to be able to play and push off and exert, but I. I think this will probably be as tough as one. And considering the fact that the spurs are such a complete team, bro, it's gonna be.

[Shannon Van Dam]

He.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He got a. He got a tough mountain to climb, but, yeah, he definitely gonna raise some eyebrows if he win an MVP this year and a title. We gonna be like, hold on.

[Shannon Van Dam]

That'll be back to back. Oh, and a whole lot of guys have gone back to one. Back to back MVPs and back to back, you know, titles. LeBron did. He won back it in 2012, 2013 with the Heat. Yep. LeBron was the last to do it. Yeah, Steph won back to back MVPs, but remember he lost the unanimous one.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He didn't win Finals MVP though.

[Shannon Van Dam]

No, no, no, no, no, no. So LeBron was the last. LeBron was the last to do it. Probably Jordan before LeBron. When. I'm trying to think when, when, when. Bird, Bird won MVP in 84, 85, 86. But they didn't win. They never won back to back titles. They wanted 81. They wanted 84. They won in 86. They didn't win in 85. The Lakers won in 85, as a matter of fact. And Kareem was the finals MVP in 85. That was also the year of the. The Memorial Day Massacre. You remember that, Joe? They ended up losing. I think they lost by about 30 plus points. They got blown out 148 to 114 or something like that. They got. They got crushed.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Van Dam]

And Kareem ended up winning the fight. If my memory serves me correct, I feel very comfortable saying that. But Bird won MVP. 84, 85, 86. He's the last guy to win three consecutive MVPs. He was the finals MVP in 84 and 86. Cause Cornbread wanted an 81. 85. Kareem was the finals MVP. 87 was Magic. 88 was James Worthy was the finals MVP. You ask real quiet. She. She mad. Wow.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Is you, right?

[Shannon Van Dam]

Go to the next voicemail. I don't know why. I. I'm just like off the top of my head. That's 40 something years ago. So that. So 85 was the Memorial Day massacre, right? They lost 148, 114. And Kareem ended up. And they ended up. They ended up winning. I think they ended up winning a series in like four or five. In five or six games. But to win Finals mvp, to win a cheat. To win the MVP in the regular season, win back to back titles and be Finals mvp. Boy, that put him in some elite company, man. Put him in some elite company.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They do

[Shannon Van Dam]

break by. What?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Duncan.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Oh, bro. To bring back bread. Bread coming back. All right, let's go. Let's take a listen to our next one.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What's good, Ocho? ISO.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yo, yo, yo.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I was. I'm a baseball player. I got y'. All.

[Shannon Van Dam]

All right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Y' all want some tips? I want to get in that battle cage before y' all shoot that episode. Because I definitely need to see that. All right. You can't give me hype about baseball, man. We ain't gonna play Shout Out. Shout out to Arkansas, baby. Palm Bluff native. Oh, really?

[Shannon Van Dam]

Already know I cannot hit Joe and no Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, they don't believe that. Keep it 100. Just keep it 100, man. It's okay. It's okay.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Joe, when last time you swung a bat?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I swung a bat the other day with my four year old. Yeah, yeah. Hey, hey. He'll jack all trade. He do a little bit of everything. We play baseball, we play soccer, football, basketball. Yeah, it's everything. Hey, I just look like this.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I'm.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey. I'm telling you, I know I can outbat you too.

[Shannon Van Dam]

No, you bet I bet. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Only.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Only one. Only. It's funny. Only one of us has a baseball background. So I'm not even going to indulge myself in this conversation. I'm gonna let you two talk about it. I'm gonna let you two talk about it because when it comes to. When it comes to that, I ain't. Ain't no point even talking. That's like. Joe, you telling me you better than me in football and soccer or ping pong or tennis?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You already said. You already said that you can't hit no baseball. Oo, you said it came out.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I said 95 to 100 miles an hour in the batting cage. And neither one of y' all can't even.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You said 85. You couldn't hit 80. You said, I ain't even gonna try.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I can hit it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean, I haven't done. Joe. No, you can't. How many times? How many tries do you need? How many tries you need? Do you know it's gonna take you 30 minutes for your hand eye coordination to get together to see the goddamn ball, man?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Everybody know you don't swing at the first pitch, partner.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, here you go.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Everybody know that. Everybody knows.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Now he acting like he in the middle of a goddamn game.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah, everybody knows he Tony Gwynn. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, ass. Set it up. I bet I outdo these boys. These boy can't see me or nothing.

[Shannon Van Dam]

For real.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm just gonna keep it 100 with y'. All. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

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[Shannon Van Dam]

I insisted first.

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[Shannon Van Dam]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

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[Shannon Van Dam]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

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[Shannon Van Dam]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

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[Shannon Van Dam]

All right, hey, look here. I got to be careful, cuz, you know, my meniscus. So my knee. I got to get me a knee brace.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

There you go.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, Joe. Ain't nothing wrong with my knee. So I'm ready.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay. All right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

My knee.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah, I got. See, I bet left handed.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, do you really?

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah, I gotta wait. My knee. Heel up. Let's take a listen to our next one.

[Caleb (Listener Voicemail)]

Yo, what's going on, Unc? Ocho? ISO, My name is Caleb. Today I'll be graduating with my master's degree in jazz performance from Florida State University. Oh, sure. I know you love jazz, so next time you're in Tallahassee, hit me up. Hit me up. I just want to thank you guys for all the jokes and all the laughter and just get me through this degree, really. Because sometimes I need a break in or breath of fresh air from all the studying I've been doing. So the past six years, between bachelor's and master's degree, I've been watching Nightcap. And just watching you guys get, trust me, gives me so much joy. All right, just in case y' all want to give me a little present for graduation, I got three walls that have that need some jerseys signed by you three. So if you guys feel in your heart to sign some jerseys and send them to me, I'll send you my. My contacts. And so I just want to thank you guys again, all jokes aside. And yeah, keep Doing your thing.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Appreciate that, man. Congratulations. Yes, sir.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir. Congratulations. I'm glad you like. I'm glad you like jazz. You hear me, boy? I'm listen. Miles Davis, John Coltrane, man. Duke Ellington, man, I take out. I can take it back all the way back. List the owners, Monk, Billy, Holiday. But don't get me started when we talk about jazz now. Now you're talking about Tahoe language. You hear me?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Congratulations, young bull. Congratulations. And I'm gonna catch you. I'm gonna. I'm catchy out there in Tallahassee now. I'm gonna come up there and watch fam you in the March 100. I need you to take me to some. Some jazz spots out there.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All right.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Let's take a listen to the next one. What up? What up? Oh, show and still got me some nice sausage and bacon right here, Joe. Tell me why. In the must win game, CJ McCollum is dropping 11 points. I put in a parlay for him to get at least 21 while I go bowling, right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I look up at the screen, I see, damn, they got a Knicks and

[Shannon Van Dam]

Hawks game up here. It's the second quarter. I see Dyson Daniels hitting. I'm like, what they hitting for? He justified. Why y' all losing 77 to 22 before the half? What? Man, it's gonna be a rough couple months for you, Joe. I know. It's already been rough. Raising bats.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Loss.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Haus loss. You probably done o some money, so oo finna lump you up by that. And oo finna gave you some money, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

King Shay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Shay, man.

[Shannon Van Dam]

That's what it is, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Joe.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Damn. Money.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn. Then what we own.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, you right about that, young bull. Hey, y', all, boy. You right back. I'm gonna lump him up. I'm gonna have him look like Martin on that goddamn episode, huh? Lumps everywhere, boy. We can do what's good.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, this. This why everybody gonna have hell to pay. My. Everybody.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

My hogs lost.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

My Hawks lost. Yeah, somebody gotta pay for this. Okay, hey.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, you know what? And we gonna continue that losing streak. It's gonna start. It's gonna start with you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I ain't going. I ain't going.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You gonna finish it out.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I ain't going.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I get. Hey, I guarantee you that, playboy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I ain't going.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I guarantee you that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I ain't going. Yeah, I ain't going. I know you. You. You an uncle over there trying to team up on me. But I got something for both of y', all, boy.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, uncle Ain't got nothing to do with this, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

This me and you.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I do got something to do with this.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

This me and you. This me and you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He got my Louis Vuitton basketball over there.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah. That ain't gonna get it. I'm gonna keep it 100.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Hey, as a matter of fact, Ocho, I'm gonna take that cue off it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Hey, hey, if you beat me, I

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

give you my cue. But that ain't happening. That ain't happening.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, man, hey, don't take that Michael Jackson glove off his ass too.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Let's take a listen to the next one. Oh, show. And still. Can we talk about how there's more of an expectation for a 41 year old basketball player to be the Rockets without his stars than it is for a three time MVP Jokic to get bouncing. The first since one with the expectations that lopsided. Anyways, peace out.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I mean, I can answer that. And I don't even watch basketball like that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You Say what?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It's LeBron though. It's different. I mean, I understand the comparison, you know, with Jokic and LeBron, but that's, that's. We talk about the chosen one, we talk about King James, we talk about the one that was anointed when he was born. You hear me? Glory. We talk about Gloria James son. Right, that one.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Savannah husband. He's held to a different expectation he choosing to play this long in his career.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You know, so therefore we expect him to look like. You say it all the time, Monk. We don't judge LeBron on how he looks right now. We're judging LeBron on what he looked like before in his prime minister throughout. So we're expecting him to always play at that level, regardless of how old he is.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I'm glad you said that. So why didn't they judge Jordan like that when he was in Washington, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Why didn't they judge Michael Jordan to the standard that he was playing at in Chicago when he was in Washington?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, you, you just asked me a question, Uncle. I don't know the answer to you, but hold on.

[Shannon Van Dam]

You said. I said they don't compare great players to other great players. They compare players to them. Old sales, younger sales.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Why wasn't Michael Jordan? Because everybody say. Everybody know he wasn't going. He to go. He's supposed to win with anybody.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Jokic. Jokic is not 35. Jokic is 29. If LeBron James. LeBron James coming off three MVPs in four years, had lost in the first round to a team without their best

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

player, they'd have crucified him.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he's held to a different standard.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I just want to know that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Huh?

[Shannon Van Dam]

They say he hold on how the guy held to a different standard when everybody say he ain't a top 10. Some people got him at 9, some people got him at 11, some people got him at 13. So why would you hold a guy that's the 9th best player, the 11th, the 13th best player? He's a little choke. He's with this. Why would you hold him to a standard that you don't hold any other great players to?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, because they, they like. They like the conversation, they like the dialogue going back and forth, knowing absolutely how great he is, knowing. When it comes to. When it comes to picking who's the goat and who's the best, it only comes down to two people and it's based on preference. Now, if you want to nitpick, you run down accolades and resume and how long someone played and what they did in a short amount of time in their careers, it's always comparable, but it's always going to be one and two. It's either going to be Jordan or It could be LeBron. And everyone will have a dialogue and a conversation on why they support whoever it is that they choose.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Okay, why didn't they hold KOBE and you're 17, 18, year, 19, year 20. Why did they hold him to the standard that when he played at in his prime? Kobe's better than LeBron? That's what they tell me. Michael's better than LeBron. That's what they tell me. So why weren't they held to the same standard that we're holding LeBron to? Kobe played 20 years, so why in year 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, why wasn't he held to the standard that we hold LeBron? Why wasn't Jordan when he went to Washington those two years? Why wasn't he held to the standard? That's all I want to know. You could say I don't care, Shannon. They're still better than LeBron. Why weren't they held to the standard? Why weren't they expected to not only make the playoffs, but I want to hear them Laker fans where Laker fans that with all this like LeBron need to get traded. I'd be glad. B. Scott, I'm going to need you to come on Nightcap and explain. Cause you say you wish he was gone. You do realize if LeBron wasn't on that team when Luke and AR got hurt, there'd have been no playoffs. You wouldn't even made it in the play in. So I need Autumn Laker fan to talk about. He need to go. He need to go now. Look at you. So again, Ocho, this is for you. This. Joe, this is not for you. Ocho, Kobe played.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hold on.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Kobe played 20 seasons. So why in year 15, year 16, year 17, year 18, year 19, year 20, why was he not expected to get to the NBA Finals and win?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

See, that's.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Why was Michael Jordan not expected to win a championship in Washington? I need somebody to explain that to me.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I like that you asked me that. See, that's a handicap question for somebody who didn't watch the game back then. That's not fair. I understand. I understand how great Michael Jordan was. I understand how Kobe. How great Kobe was. But I ain't start watching basketball un. Until they had to come on Nightcap.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Chad, I need y' all to explain to me. Chad, y' all know, y' all some of the foremost authorities. Y' all been watching the game of basketball a lot longer than I have. I need you to explain why was Kobe never held in your 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, and 20 to the standard which y'.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Hell, LeBron, why was Jordan. They. Did anybody like, hold on. Jordan, he played two years.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

People say, oh, that was just ceremony, so it didn't even matter. So if he'd have won a championship, would it have mattered? Yeah, yeah, of course.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I saw people say, oh, what? When my. Hell, I was in my early 30s. I was in my 30s, late mid-30s, 34, 35. When Jordan was in Washington, I heard people say LeBron James was never going to be able to play like this at age 40. What Michael's doing right now at 40, LeBron will never be able to do. Are y' all sure about that? I got time. We got about 15 more minutes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I think it's the. The hate that LeBron get gets. Is from his longevity in the game. Fellas, you know, he. They. They. They crucify him for that, Uncle Ocho, because he go because he got all the records. Oh, he ain't. He ain't the best score there, but he got the most points. Hell, he topped, what, 3, 4, and assists. When he's done, he's gonna probably gonna have them to every record in the book, so. So when they watch him. When they watch him compete and play Uncle Ocho, the standard that the fans hold him to is a lot higher than what they held MJ and Kobe To.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I have a question.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What's up?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

When things went bad for Jordan, did he ever leave?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He retired twice.

[Shannon Van Dam]

You remember that, right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I said, did he ever leave?

[Shannon Van Dam]

He left. He left the game of basketball.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes, but I'm just saying.

[Shannon Van Dam]

He left the game of basketball.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Did he go to another team?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He wouldn't play baseball.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Basketball. He went. Yes, he left. Left the team. He went to the. He went to the Chicago Black Sox. He went to the White Sox. Excuse me.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Did Kobe ever leave a team?

[Shannon Van Dam]

He tried. He asked to get traded to Chicago Bulls.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He did.

[Shannon Van Dam]

He did. He wanted to get traded. He did ask for a trade. Something LeBron never did. Okay. Anything else you want to know? I got a little time.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm just. I'm just asking. I'm just. I'm just asking questions to get a better understanding on why people feel the way they do it about LeBron. So you asked me a question. I don't know. Because my knowledge of the game is not like that. I'm just starting.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I'm just started watching because in their heart of hearts, LeBron James is the only one that's ever been compared to Michael Jordan. Yeah, he's the only one. Only one. We have never said in the history of sports a guy with one regular season MVP was even considered the greatest.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right?

[Shannon Van Dam]

They've always had more. More than one? Yes, more than one. They make it seem like LeBron got no titles. Even before Jordan even won a title, they labeled him the greatest. Magic and Bird had all the titles in the 80s. They won eight of the ten that was contested. Right. And they said Jordan was the greatest. With no rings. With no rings. They labeled him the greatest because of his plate. So if that's all it takes, then. So why are we talking about rings then?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Because.

[Shannon Van Dam]

So why they keep mentioning 6 and 0? Because of play. Why we mention 6 and 0?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, you know, they love to move the goal post depending on who and what they talking about.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I mean, look at this. I just.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I'm just saying they move the goal post depending on who and what they're talking about. That's the only thing I can think of.

[Shannon Van Dam]

He played. I mean, look what he did. Look. I mean, look what he averaged. 23 points. 8 and 7. 23, 8 and 7. Something like that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

The oldest player of the league lead a series in scoring at 41. And people say you break. No, it's the fact when you even the mere fact that the man is 41, who picked a I. If I'm not mistaken, I think Mark Spears was the only one to pick the Lakers to win the series. Everybody else said the Rockets, ain't no way a 41 year old can lead a team to evict. To lead this team to a series win.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, but we. What we can't do. We can't use the 41 excuse when things don't work out.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Ocho. We use it when He's Ocho. He's 41. Who? Let me ask you a question. Name the player in NBA history that's ever played at this level. Do we not give Jerry Rice credit for getting a 40 to catch a thousand yards at age 40?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

42. Wasn't he 42?

[Shannon Van Dam]

No, he retired at 42. But he had a thousand yards receiving at age 40. Do we not give him credit for that?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Why? Because he's doing something what, Ocho, nobody has ever done. Speaking to your microphone. Something that's never, ever been done before in the history of the game.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Okay. I was happy, Chad. I was happy about it. I've been around with Ocho for three years now. Sometimes I can finish his thoughts for him.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I'm just. I'm just listening. I'm just listening. I'm just. I'm just listening. I listen. I. I like. I like all of them. Shoot. You know, I'm. I'm a LeBron. LeBron fan. I'm a Kobe fan. Hell, I'm a Jordan fan, you know, So, I mean, I'm just. I'm. I'm liking to hear the differences on why people feel the way they do when it comes to LeBron, or why they feel the way they do when it comes to Kobe, why they feel the way they do when it comes to. To Michael Jordan. I'm. I'm still. I'm still learning that stuff. The people in the chat, they know it all. They've been enjoying the game of basketball probably since birth. Joe. I'm only in year two of this thing, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm only year two. Yeah, we talking boxing, Joe. Boy, I could talk from A to Z. Boy, we talking football. I can talk from A to Z. Now we talking soccer. Hell, I could talk for 24 hours straight. You know, we talking tennis. We talk a little track. I can give you something. Basketball. Oh, that's my weak spot, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yes, sir.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it's okay. I could admit that. You know, some people want to admit that. They try to act like they know it all. I don't know it all, especially when it come to this. If I'm learning on the fly.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I'll make a case for you. If I like you, there ain't nothing you look at it right now do we see what's going on? We see what's going on in the world. We see where our economy is. We see what the prices are. It was supposed to be no more war. We jumped into another needless endless war. And what, because we they like it? President Obama had a Starbucks coffee in his hand. That's beneath the president. He had a tan suit on. Yes sir, that's beneath the president.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh yeah, I remember that. Hey, they went crazy about that tan suit. He was clean as hell that day, Unc, wasn't he? Boy, he was sharp that day.

[Shannon Van Dam]

If I like you, Ocho, you can't do no wrong in my eyes. But if I don't, you can do no good in my eyes. That's just the way it is. You got to understand, I think it's more difficult now even. Even if you say. Let's just say for the sake of argument, the game is not more difficult.

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

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[Shannon Van Dam]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

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[ISO Joe Johnson]

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[Shannon Van Dam]

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[Shannon Van Dam]

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[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah, the thing that happened with VRABEL and, and Mr. Rossini, if that had been in the 70s, the 80s and 90s, that have never got out.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah,

[Shannon Van Dam]

Let's move on. Well, we got another one to go. We. We don't need to go. I know Too much. But anyway, let's move on. We got one more. That was it. Oh, that was it. That was it. That was it. Oh, Marad. K will dominate. Scotty was the best player in this series, with all due respect. You think he'll. You think K will dominate this series, Joe? And, ooh,

[ISO Joe Johnson]

he been dominating. He's one person you could always count on to get his. Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hold on. Against Cleveland?

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hell, yeah, he gonna dominate. Meaning? I think he know exactly what we've been talking about. It's Detroit gonna have a hard time winning if he's not putting up special performances, period, point blank. You know, you just gotta hope that Tobias Harris can stay consistent, huh?

[Shannon Van Dam]

That's it. I think he the key.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That's the biggest key.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I think he the key, Joe. I honestly do.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

The man's own killer. Ocho. Y' all hype these NBA playoffs. Let me find out. Y' all like it more the NFL? Nah, I'm joking. I know football steal y' all first love, but you have to. The thing is, is that we had game sevens. You do realize NFL playoffs, every game is a game seven.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Ain't no reason.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You're right.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Every game is a Game 7 in the NFL postseason.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

That's why. That's why the people love it so much. Because you can be the best team and not the best team will probably. It's hard for the best team to lose four times.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

But one time, the series. See, I don't know if you remember this joke. The series used to be the best two out of three. The first round was the best two out of three.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

The second round was the best three out of five.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

It was only the conference finals and the finals were the best four out of seven, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

So you know why they. You know why they moved them all to seven games? Hello. Hello?

[Shannon Van Dam]

The same reason they add more playoff games. Hello. They're trying to add another NFL football game. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hello?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

The bottom line has always been the bottom line, huh?

[Shannon Van Dam]

The bonus in the file, in the penalties. You got three shots to make two. So you used to shoot three freeze throws to try to make two. So if you made the first two, hey, it was all. It was done. And boy, you good. But if you. If you missed the first one, you got two more to try to make another try to make two. Yes, sir. But that's before y' all time. Y' all remember that flight attendant defense and grit. K's Cade is Cade in the mix. Pistons and 6. K could have definitely Played with the Bad boy Pistons. He got the right demeanor.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He got it. He got it.

[Shannon Van Dam]

He got the right to me. He went to the right team. He got it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Definitely got it.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Pat Dove. Don't forget, fellas. Detroit players know the next series is personal for J.B. bickerstaff.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, yeah, because that's where he. That's where he come from. Oh, yeah. You don't think. Hey, hey, he for sure put that on them boys mind.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They got him up out of there prematurely.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Hey, guys, I want to see this fishing tournament. Maybe prime can host it. What you guys? Personal best. I ain't used to catch fish to put on the wall. I can't. We used to catch fish to put in the damn pan.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah,

[Shannon Van Dam]

I don't know. My grandma, dude, my grandma, I think she got a 8 pound 10 ounce on the wall. Maybe 9 pounds or something.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah, I think she caught. She caught her. And she had called my aunt. Well, my. My sister picked up from the pond because my sister used to take her and drop off and she'd go fishy fish by herself. My sister came. My sister come back to pick her up. She said, oh, Libby, look what I called. She say, call Top. That's what we. That's my aunt. Her daughter Jane said, call Top and hug Rex to come get him. They can. They can cook him and eat him. Libby said, no, Granny, that's gonna go on the water. She said, no, they can eat this. She said, no, Granny. She said, well, they're bigger fish in there than that. People say, granny, you ain't never caught one, though. She. She was gonna give it to my uncle and aunt to eat it. My supposed to say, nah, it's going on the Walgreens to this day. It's a delivery room on the wall.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Van Dam]

But I'll be. I know. I. I don't know what. How big. It's gone. I know I can beat these two. That's on my screen right now. That's what I do know.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't think you don't say that. You ain't saying that with enough confidence for me. I don't think.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I know for sure for sure.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You could be ocho I.

[Shannon Van Dam]

These two guys that's on the screen with me, I'll be hell out of them fishing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Now.

[Shannon Van Dam]

We can fish. We can fish with bait. We can fish with shiners. We can fish with cut bait. We can fish with broke back jigs. Whatever.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't care.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Y' all two can't beat me.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I bet you naming all this goddamn bait. That don't, that ain't gonna change the end result. You still gonna lose. Damn, you're still gonna lose.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Do you know what cut bait is?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't it. You still gonna lose. I'm gonna use earthworms. How about that? That's all I'm use.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I'm using. You gonna use red wigglers?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, I'm gonna use earthworms. I ain't gonna use nothing else. And I'm gonna still beat you. You don't know where to throw that goddamn line. I know where to throw that line. You hear me?

[Shannon Van Dam]

You don't know fishing, huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You ain't no real fish since 87. Man, what you talking about, Joe? What are you talking about, Joe? He ain't the only official, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, man, you know what?

[Shannon Van Dam]

Hey, look at throw the wall. Look at, look at Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You see it ain't it ain't it.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Got a bad boy. Hey, oo you cast like this? Oo. Oo you cast, huh? Just a little flick of the wrist.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, no, I don't. That's how you cast. I, I, I cast my elbow.

[Shannon Van Dam]

That man gonna catch a damn thing, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, this a easy win for me. I'mma just keep it 100. Easy win for me.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I can fish. I, I, that's what I do know. Okay, what all, first of all, are we fishing for anything in particular? We fishing for anything that bite. Just let me know, Joe, what we're fishing for. We fishing for small.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What we fishing. That's, that's the most important part. We worry about what we fishing for. Where we fishing at.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Then we can talk about it all depends if we deep sea fishing. I mean, we gonna catch. We gonna catch what? Catch what? What you, what you fishing for? Grouper snapper.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I want, I want a Goliath grouper.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Oh, man, you why I want a big ass fish for. For what? Just to say I caught it and

[ISO Joe Johnson]

then put him back.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah, we g. We go sheep head drum spot. What we. What we fishing for? Ojo, Joe. Hey, we fishing for walleye. I mean, I'm just trying to tell. Whatever you want to fish for, Joe. What if they.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

How about, how about, how about we make it? How about we do this? How about we don't eat that day and we don't eat unless we catch something.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I'm all for that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nah. Yeah, yeah, I bet, I bet you get serious about it then. You don't eat unless you catch something.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I bet. Lord have mercy. I'm all for it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And listen, Lord. Lord can't help you here. Lord can't help you. He walked on water, but he can't help you here.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, boy.

[Shannon Van Dam]

This will be.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

This gonna be a sight to see.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I already know. I already know, Jay. It would have take some live group. I. I well catch black grouper.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I got. Hey, hey.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Do you. I'm from Miami. Huh? I grew up on the water. At the water, around the water. I did everything except walk on water.

[Shannon Van Dam]

How you tell fishing?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, tell her. Hey, tell her you way in the water, huh?

[Shannon Van Dam]

You was way in the water, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Been doing this. Only person got baptized. Only. Only person got baptized three times because the keep wearing off.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Exactly. And can't fish a lick. Born by the water. Born in Miami. Could walk out of his house and step right into the ocean and can't fish a lick.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right, right.

[Shannon Van Dam]

As a matter of fact, Joe, we can set deadlines. However you want to fish. Whatever you want to do, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Listen, that's why I'm saying y' all steady. Coming up with all these different. It don't make me no different, baby. Let's just get out there and throw that thing out there. I bet y. I catch more than y'. All. And I bet y catch the biggest one.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Hey, whatever. We. You use a cane pole if you want to. Whatever, Joe. We can use a 33 Zebco. 33, 82, 80. I don't care. We can get eight. Whatever.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, you see how. Hey, hey, Joe. You see how un. Naming all the, you know, all the baits and all the rods and all

[Shannon Van Dam]

the lines and stuff?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe the type. Joe, he the type to come hoop at the park and have on the whole Jordan outfit with his shoes and all.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Well, they call me Shannon Van Dam. If you know anything about fishing. There have only been a handful of guys that's run the Classic at least four times. KBD and Rick Cl and. Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And you. You saying you in that conversation? What?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I got East. Ain't got nothing on me. Kbd, Bill Dance, Roland Martin, all of them. I got none of them.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I gotta.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I'm him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I gotta see it to believe it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

It sound good.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I gotta see it to believe it. You got to show me, man.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I plan on it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All right? Say less.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Say less. I don't know Oo. You don't even know how to clean no fish.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I don't know how to clean no fish. Boy, I scale a fist like a woman. Boy, don't play at me, huh? What you talking about? Don't play.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Don't play no damn fish.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I scale a fist and clean the fish like I do a woman, huh? From head to toe. What? Don't play at me from the fist tonight. Hey. You hear me? Hey, Joe. From the fist to that. From the tail to the eyes, boy. Huh? I don't play no games.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay. All right.

[Shannon Van Dam]

God bless Nightcap fam. I got a miracle question. What do we say if go LeBron James, eliminate OKC? It'll be the biggest upset in the history of basketball.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I agree. Considering the fact what he's up against without the leading score in the NBA on this team. Hell yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

TS Car Wash Detail Service. My grandfather told me, you want to mess with me, you better get a coat. Cause it's going to be a cold on the floor. What I'm saying, Ocho, y' all, look here. I don't even like when it comes to stuff like that. When it comes to, like, outdoors and stuff, I just eliminate Ocho. Right? I never aim on you.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right. Cause I'm the one person, the unknown, you don't know. You don't know what you gonna get.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Well, I feel you from Arkansas. You might have did a little fishing. You might have did a little hunting.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, oh. Oh, man. Hey. Hey. Me and my partners, you know, shout out Mr. Greenwood. He used to. We used to skip school, just go fishing the whole entire day, man. Yeah, so? So I just want y' all to know, bro. Hey, hey.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I ain't like it that much, yo. I ain't gonna lie.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Hey, that's.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, man, I ain't trying to hit him. Old ass story from 1950, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I ain't trying to hear all that, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All right. Well, we seen what happened last time we all got together.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ain't nobody. Ain't nobody trying to talk about that old stuff.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, now that's over.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Update your resume. Update your resume. What have you done? What have you done to me lately? Nothing. Except talk you ain't did. Number. The last thing you did good was better than the goddamn Hawks to beat the Knicks in the series and they lost.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, and I ain't have to pay.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I bet you can keep that little 500.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I can't do that with that little change.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn right.

[Shannon Van Dam]

He's bragging about not having to pay. Yeah, he said the best. You said the best thing he did with the last was bet on the Hawks. And he said, yeah, I bet on them and I ain't gotta pay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I told him he can keep that Little chain. You keep that little chain.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You a had no choice but to let me keep my little chain.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you keep that little chain, man. Get you some gas. Use that for some gas money.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Thank you.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Use that for some gas.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I will. I will. Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. That's. That's your best bet.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

But I tell you what. We going fishing for the. Before we. Before. Before we start football season.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Say you left. Say left. I'll be. I'll be ready.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Took my little bro game. Took my little bro to Game 7, the Cavs. It was electric. Loudest game I've ever been to. As a former player, how much does away games truly affect you?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I love away games in the postseason, bro. Listen, I played in a few games, Sevens on the road, Uncle Ocho, and, yeah, it's. It's. It's pretty intense, bro. Like, you.

[Shannon Van Dam]

You can.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You can feel it. You can see it. You understand what it is. And tonight was definitely electric, so it was fun to watch. But, yeah, I know the anxiety that it brings amongst you before the game and after the game, after you get that win. Well, that's a sign of relief for sure. Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I think there's less pressure playing on the road than there is playing at home.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No question. No question.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Ill Magic. Y' all think Toronto would have beaten the Cavs if they had Pascal Siakam and Seoka been gone for so long, man. But bi hadn't played his best basketball in this series.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

They probably would have beat them all

[Shannon Van Dam]

if they had Bi.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Pascal. Pascal, I'm saying, because he not only a score, he a great utility guy. He don't do. He. He don't just score, you know? Solid defender. Yeah. Plays the right way, plays hardest. I don't know what. So if they'd had him, possibly

[Shannon Van Dam]

Big three. Love you guys. Go Broncos. Fire sale. The Celtics team.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Fire sale.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Fire sale. He's like, are they going to be selling off? Look, JB and JT are coming back. The question is, what are they gonna do? Derrick White makes a lot of money. I think they got Praying Pritchard tied up. I don't know what Cuido situation is. They resigned. Hauser, he's back. He'll be back, but I. I don't really know the moves, the pieces that they could make. I mean, it'd be very interesting if JT had a plate.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Who knows?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah. So I think by them getting healthy and coming back next year, I think that's the. The biggest key for them, bro. It's hell. Because if Jason Tatum would have played. Yeah, you're right, Ocho. We don't know what the hell would have happened.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Ari K, you mentioned and on Undisputed that you paid for your latest divorce. I know there's a backstory.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

How about those sixes you paid for her divorce?

[Shannon Van Dam]

The story was. Look, I. This chick was getting a divorce. He found out she was dating someone. He didn't know it was me, but she found out she was dating someone, and he wanted all the money that was in the bank account. She wanted to split it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

He wasn't going to sign the divorce papers until she gave him all the money. I asked her how much was in the account. She said it was this much. I said, here.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Van Dam]

And he signed the divorce papers.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Why? That's some players. That's a player stuff right there. What?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Huh?

[Shannon Van Dam]

I mean, and people like, oh, bro, I'm trying to figure out when guys are by their girlfriend, a G wagon off the rip, get them a condo or place off the rip. I'm trying. I'm trying to see. I mean, what's going on.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Same thing.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, that's the same thing. Well, that's a whole. Hey, wait. Yes. That's a. That's a. That's the one percentage that do that. That ain't. It. Ain't everybody, right?

[Shannon Van Dam]

I'm.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, it's a select few that's able to do that off the rip, but

[Shannon Van Dam]

there is only a select few that would be able to say, well, you want a divorce, I want to be with you. He's not. He's haggling over this. Okay, well, here you go.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay. Okay. I like.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I want that percent.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey. Okay.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Oh, okay. I don't. I don't. Listen, I don't. I don't go back. Look, I. I mean, I don't really go back and forth. If I like you, I don't care nothing about whatever, the simping and all that other stuff. If I like somebody, I'm. I won't. I want to be with that person. Right?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I'm gonna do for that person. It's really that simple?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

All that other stuff. I don't let. I don't let what? Somebody else? Well, I wouldn't do this. I wouldn't do that. Okay, that's fine.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You.

[Shannon Van Dam]

You wouldn't. And I don't begrudge somebody that won't do something for their lady. I don't begrudge somebody that does an enormous amount for the lady. My situation is. My situation.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

What you do and how you treat your lady ain't got nothing to do with Shane.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hello.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, boy, you got that money? But I got that money. On what? Huh? How much in the count?

[Shannon Van Dam]

When I like somebody, hey, it's been situations. Hey, if somebody. Look, I'm. I'm a type of guy. Look, if, if I rock with you and if I can help, I'm gonna help.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I feel you on that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that's me. That's me. That's me.

[Shannon Van Dam]

But here's the thing, Joe. The problem is, is that I know I'm not the only one. But everybody. Because guys go, people, oh man, you simply X, Y and Z. They won't tell you the real story.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hello. Hello.

[Shannon Van Dam]

But I know the real story. Because you got to realize guys like myself and Joe Nocho, we travel in circles. Yeah, yeah, we, we know some of the people. And I'm like, bro, come on now.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you know, we know, we know, we know, we know, we know.

[Shannon Van Dam]

How's she driving a G wagon? She ain't got that. I know that. That beauty salon ain't doing that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

JJ Allen put BTA K. Cunningham is that dude true game changer? He absolutely is. He's phenomenal. He's better than I thought. He's better than I thought he would because watching him at Oklahoma State, I thought he was a good player. I ain't see this, Joe. I ain't gonna lie, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Well, I, I think he's a lot more polished. He's always been, he's always been poised and patience, you know, with the ball in his hands. RK Ojo from the time I seen him play in high school on to college and now to the pros. No difference, bro. He, he's a, he's a big guard who can get to his spots. Obviously three level score, can shoot the three shoot the midi, get to the cup, bang on you. But he has a nice post game. And I think probably one of the best attributes of his game is getting others involved because when he has high assist totals, they, they, they're hard to

[Shannon Van Dam]

beat and it makes his job easier because now they can't keep him out of the lane. Now they got the guard, they got to stick to their man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

There you go, there you go. But he has to continue to assert himself, Uncle Ocho, and continue to put that pressure on the defense and make the all attention come to him. And that's how he's able to get those other guys easy shots, get him involved. The Tobias Harris's, the Duncan Robinsons, the Thompsons, you know, guys of that nature.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I think the biggest thing, because he always could handle the ball, he could always defend. But I think his three point shot, Joe, that's really expanded his game.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It is, bro. It is. It's pretty pure. You give him a good look at it. Yeah, you're gonna knock it down,

[Shannon Van Dam]

Ocho. You need to take notes so you. So you can dunk on ISO and then. And then hit the. Look, the. Too little.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I'm. I'm here. Hey, Joe. I'm gonna catch it like Derrick Coleman caught Shaq. What?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Boy, please.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You hear me?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Boy, please.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe, you know I'm bouncy, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You ain't. You don't weigh enough, though. That's the problem. You gonna have.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Joe, I'm bouncy, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You don't weigh.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm a knee. I'm a knee on your forehead, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You don't weigh enough.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ain't about weight, boy.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah, it is, Joe. That's pretty high. He got his knee on your forehead, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, hey, Unk.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna knee him right in his forehead.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, I got a question. You think that that man can't do all this with no basketball in his hand? Hell, he ain't that damn good. Hell, if that's the case, you played the wrong damn sport, partner.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, I played the right sport. Yeah, I played the right sport.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I'm. Yeah, I'm on your ass.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Pause, Joe. Greedy, bold. Damn. Damn bad. Ocho, your ass still sick? Yeah, you got your voice back, but that cough tearing you up? What?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That cop whooping your ass over there? That what he telling?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

No, I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good, I'm good. I'm on the tear and everything, you know, getting the last little bit of mucus up out of there. Yeah, you know, it is. It is what it is.

[Shannon Van Dam]

You might want to slow down, Ocho. Your AC woke up every day this week and you chose violence. Good Lord.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, I ain't choo no violence. Ain't nothing but love over here. You hear me? Ain't nothing but love over here. Don't confuse it now. You know, we going. We going. We going to dibble and dabble with this little talking now, but you know he going to always be love. I'm. Listen, I'mma beat your ass. I'mma hug him and tell him everything we going to be. Everything going to be all right after that.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Damn brother Franklin say that AC and that strap did a number On Oo. Get well soon, twin.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, you know. Hey, you know a. You know, ain't nothing, ain't nothing wrong with little cuddling.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Now, Titan guy. What's up fellas? ISO, who's the best defender you played against and what's your favorite board game? I like Monopoly. Best defender you played against, ISO, the

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

best defender I played against. I. I'll probably give it to Ron Artist. He's a guy you couldn't play with, Uncle. Oo meaning you know, even if you had a bag, bro, just give him one move and go and get by his ass.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You got to go, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No sense out there trying to dance, I'm telling you, you know, some guys just have a great sense of awareness with their hands and can and can get deflections and he was one of those dudes, bro. So I understood that early in my career. Yeah, he won. No guy I played with, I just haha got right by him, got on do what I was. Yeah, yeah. Ain't no need.

[Shannon Van Dam]

That's a big ass body. So boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, he bigger than you.

[Shannon Van Dam]

People don't realize how big he is.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, he's stronger than.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I don't know.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. As far as board games, he said his was Monopoly. I like Monopoly.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I like Monopoly too, Joe. I beat your ass in Monopoly and Monopoly.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yes, Uncle. I had a whole damn street blocked off all the way where you'd be paying me.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Every time you run, every time you

[Shannon Van Dam]

go ride, Joe, Every time you go ride the boat.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, every time you hit over there, come across my corner, partner, I have it locked up. So do you be paying me money?

[Shannon Van Dam]

Hey, I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get the utilities and I'm gonna get park, pace and boardwalk. Cause I know you want to come. I know you want to go past Go. I know you want to get past go.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hey, my favorite game right now, me and my family play a lot bro, is it's Clue.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I ain't never played that.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You ain't never played Clue to where you gotta guess who, who, who who done the murder or whatnot. Like it's the whole thing. You gotta have paper.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah, I've heard of.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a, it's a pretty fun game. We enjoy games like that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you playing the board game. But don't. Hey, he ain't got a clue about what the. I'm gonna do to you? Huh? Huh?

[Shannon Van Dam]

Huh?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

He playing the board game Clue, but don't got a clue about what I'm

[Shannon Van Dam]

gonna do to him.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He ain't talking about nothing.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Oh, Ocho Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What's that?

[Shannon Van Dam]

Have to pick one. Eat groceries or do number two in a fast food restaurant.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm doing number two.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm doing both, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm lacing up the toilet. I'm lacing up the toilet.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm doing.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I'm doing the whole roll of toy. I'm talking about a whole roll of toilet paper.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I'm talking about age.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, I'm doing both, man. It don't matter me, man. You know, I'm.

[Shannon Van Dam]

You just a savage.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You just a savage out here.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, Joe. Joe. When I gotta go, I gotta go. Joe. I like. Listen, I lace the toilet. Lace the toilet up. Lace the toilet up. And I hate this. What I hate about restaurant, too, Joe. I really hate this. You know, you could tell how much. How much companies or businesses care about their customers based on the type of toilet tissue they have in the bathroom. Yeah, they got one plaque, and you got to lay it down twice. They don't. They don't really care about your customer service. They don't care about customer service, man. You get to go to a restaurant,

[Shannon Van Dam]

they can't have no two fly because they get clogged. All them people going. You put all that toilet paper.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's why you. You change your plumbing system, huh? You change your plumbing system so it flushes a little stronger. Yeah, I'm number two every time, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn that.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I gotta.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

If I can make it home, I'm going home.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Exactly. I leave the gym, y'.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

All.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, I go on my. Get on my phone, get on Twitter, man. Get on that toilet quick, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, no.

[Shannon Van Dam]

This man here.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I'm just telling you, man. You know, and you know, we'll take the groceries with that, too, huh? Yeah, me.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Nasty.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, and let me tell you about that. Hey, Joe. Get you a little ice, too, now, Joe, you hear me?

[Shannon Van Dam]

For what?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, when you. When, when. When you ready to elevate your game in that area.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, I don't.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Mickey Entertains says if a fat guy jumps into a pool naked, can you still call it skinny dipping? If he runs from the cops and barely gets away, is that a narrow escape?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, that's a good one. That's a good one. Listen, I ain't been thinking about my jokes, man. I forgot all about my jokes, man. I gotta get back on the game, man.

[Shannon Van Dam]

John Doe. Stop saying D. Mitch don't show up in the playoffs if the guys around him. That don't so all the playoffs. So he showed up at every playoff series, huh? He has it. He has. It's okay. It happens. Nobody has played. Has played well in every playoff series. Right.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Right.

[Shannon Van Dam]

And it's okay. Cam Alexander, your big three. Thanks for the laugh. I caught. I got caught cheating again.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn,

[Shannon Van Dam]

it's been rough. What are the five things that we should take on an island to stay forever? No hoo ha.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

He said what are five things you can.

[Shannon Van Dam]

One of what he said, what are the five things you would take on an island to stay forever. But you don't. You can't take no hoo ha. I ain't trying to go on the island forever.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Especially without that hoo ha ain't a man.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah, for sure. What the hell? I want to be on there by myself. For the hell.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey. Hey, Uncle Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

What's up?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

What kind of detergent do bodybuilders use to wash their clothes?

[Shannon Van Dam]

Bodybuilder

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

arm and hammer.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Nope. Hey, Joe. And bodybuilders use games to wash their clothes.

[Shannon Van Dam]

What you taking? What's the five things? You taking, Joe?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

To an island?

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I need. I'm gonna need some entertainment, man.

[Shannon Van Dam]

So you gonna take a. A boom box.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Gotta. Gotta have. Gotta have the jams. I gotta have me a. Can we take tv. Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

You got five things, don't you?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I got me, Joe.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Give me the. Give me my video game tv. That's gonna work wonders right there. That's gonna have everything I need. I can fish, so I can, you know, I catch my own food on day to day basis. Me a nice little fishing pole. Yeah. Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I ain't taking that. You can make that, Joe. You better. You ain't gonna take no fire. You ain't gonna take nothing to start no fire. With no lighter. You ain't gonna take no knife.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I don't need no knife. We gonna figure that out. I ain't gonna.

[Shannon Van Dam]

So how you gonna cut. What you gonna sleep on? What you gonna sleep. What you go. You ain't gonna build no shelter.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, I'm gonna be. I'm. I. I'm good in the wilderness. I can build. I can build that.

[Shannon Van Dam]

You're not building anything. How you gonna get it down? How you gonna cut it down?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

How I'm cut what down?

[Shannon Van Dam]

The trees or the branches, the limbs.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

I'm gonna snatch them. I'm snatch them down. I'm like Tarzan out that thing, huh?

[Shannon Van Dam]

This man about to be dead in five days. This man. This man. But, hey, he gonna be watching TV and jamming, though. Ocho.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

This man don't want no fire. He don't want no knife. What about some water? You want any water?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah, you need water. And you're gonna need that fire. Yeah. Yeah. You're gonna need a fire and some water. Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Ocho, what you taking?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

So I'm. First thing I'm taking. I'm a tent, Okay? I need me a tent. You know, I got to deal with all the elements out there, you know?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You hear me?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

All right.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I need my cigars. Huh? I can't do nothing without my cigars. Oh, so with my cigars comes my lighter. That's still two things. Okay, okay, three, you know, I got. I got. I got my. I got my Cambodia with me now. You hear me?

[Shannon Van Dam]

You can't take no hoo.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Ha. I ain't gonna do nothing.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

And now you can't take over.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Just in case.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Okay, okay. All right. If I can't get that. Give me my music right. Give me some music right for number. Okay, yeah, number four. Give me my Cub Scout knife. My Cub Scout knife I had back in 87. It had me a good knife. I can cut anything. I could build anything.

[Shannon Van Dam]

So you want like a machete?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, okay, I said knife, but you said machete, but okay.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah, I like that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Give me. Give me one good. One good pot. I need one good pot on. That's all I need, man.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That man a name like seven things. That's five.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's fine, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

First off, your cigar and lighter, that's two things.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that's not the cigar light to go together, Joe.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, they don't.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Well, that's fine.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I don't know about you, but I believe. I believe you got to lead. Hey, you have to learn how to live without them cigars because they ain't no necessity.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

For me, it is.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Oh, what you got?

[Shannon Van Dam]

I'm taking. I'm taking fire. I'm gonna take a lighter. I'm gonna take a machete. I'm. A tent.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Van Dam]

And radio.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Okay,

[Shannon Van Dam]

Goldbergs. Hey, Ocho. I guess that it hates the Knicks tonight. I guess beating Atlanta ass by 51 didn't do nothing. Same for Embiid. Was complaining about.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Worry about it. We good, we good, we good. Listen, I took a fun B, you know, not a naughty on them B side. Now I'm taking up a cat, so I need cat to come through for me. Matter of Fact. Speaking of tickets, right. Mr. Dolan, if you don't get back to me, it's okay. Hey, Brunson and Josh Hart. Remember I did. Y' all boys that solid? I came on the podcast, so I need me a solid, but I need. My feet. Need to be on the wood for one game down there at the Garden. But I want to see. I want to be out there for that. You hear me?

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

That feet on the wood, you ain't getting that.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, Josh Brunson. Holl at your boy, Mr. Dolan, huh?

[Shannon Van Dam]

Hey, baby.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, when I. Hey, when I get that Joe, I'm gonna be like, aha. Nah, Nanny boo boo.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Hey, big three. I'm gonna have my first child. She's due June 26th. Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Whoa.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Cancer. June 26th. Okay, one question. What's the difference between having a daughter and having a son?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Ah, them. Them girls make you soft, bro. Yeah, them boys, you gotta. You gotta keep their elbow up in their neck. You know, you. You gonna have to. You know, you'll. You're a lot rough on. I know I'm a lot tough on my. On my oldest son than I am with my daughter.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm gonna tell you this. Whether you have a boy or a girl. Boy. It's a great feeling, you hear me? But it's one thing, you know, it's in the Bible, you know, odd numbers of bad luck. So as I suggest, if you have your. Your daughter, your son, June 26, I suggest you get back in there by the end of July.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You get back in there by the end of July. Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You gotta wait six weeks, bro.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I said end of July.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's cutting it too close, man.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Oh, ain't cutting. Ain't cutting too close. Get back in there. Get it out the way now.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Get it.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

You don't. You don't want them too far apart.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Yeah, you do. Have them too quick. The only thing that's gonna be far apart is your sleep schedule.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hello.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

That's fine. Yeah, that's fine. That's the good thing about it.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, it ain't.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hey, one of the greatest things in life is having an infant and getting them on your schedule. Don't let them dictate when they wake up and when they go to sleep. You dictate to them. You got to establish dominance as a parent early.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Oh, Lord.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Man, what's wrong with this dude, bro?

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I'm just telling you what I done now. I got. I got 85 kids, Joe. I. I got this now.

[Shannon Van Dam]

And they was. And they Was what you call it with their mom doing the season.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

And they were with me during the off season. Matter of fact, you see, I got. I got about 37 of them with me now.

[Shannon Van Dam]

But it was already on the schedule by the time you got them.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

I. I made the schedule

[Shannon Van Dam]

slip again. Can we finally put Sam Donald in the top three quarterbacks the last two seasons? Super bowl rang better. So with that being said, you would take. You would take Sam Darnold over Mahomes, Burrow, Jackson, Allen.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No, he ain't doing that, man.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I. I don't look and I see this is where it's headed. Ocho that now the super bowl ring is the end all be all.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Hell no.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Nobody. But. But when did this happen? Because nobody said Brad Johnson was a top three quarterback when he won the super bowl for Tampa Bay. They didn't say the same said that Trent Dilford was. Nobody even said Russell Wilson was a top three quarterback when he won it. I'm. But this is the. I. I guess not rings with me either. Hey, it is what it is. Hey sir. Case my guys. What matters more in building a champion, A system or a superstar that can break the system?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

You need a it nowadays in the NBA you need a. You need a star, bro.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

NFL. I'm going with the system mainly defense, Seahawks defense. Brad Johnson, super bowl winning team defense. Eagles defense. Trendilford defense. Joe Flacco, Ravens. Super bowl defense, Giants 2 Super Bowls defense. System.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

It's.

[Shannon Van Dam]

It's funny that you know. Cause. You look at the triangle. Phil Jackson.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Van Dam]

So if I take Shaq, Kobe, Michael and Scotty out of the triangle and give Phil, is He still winning 11 championships?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Hell no. No.

[Shannon Van Dam]

I take Kareem and Magic James Worthy out of Pat Riley system. They still winning five championships.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

No

[Shannon Van Dam]

system. Good. It's nice to have a system and have things that, hey, let's go run this. But you better have somebody that can operate that system. Yes, sir.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Damn right.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Steve Kerr still running the same system. He ain't got the players to go with Stephen. Guess what?

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

Assistant ain't gonna work.

[Shannon Van Dam]

That completes this episode of Nightcap. Want to thank you guys for joining us, but now we know two game sevens and the home team he'll serve at home both in convincing fashion. The Detroit Pistons blow out the Orlando Magic after they fought back from 24 down in Game 6 to force the Game 7. And Toronto forced the Game 7 on a miracle shot by RJ Barrett. But that wasn't enough as they hold serve at home. And so now it starts. Detroit takes on the Cavaliers and the Knicks take on the Philadelphia 76ers. Y' all know who I am? I'm your favorite uncle. That's my partner and co host. That is the Liberty City Legend, a six time Pro Bowler and an All Pro. That is Chad Ochocinko Johnson and the seven time NBA All Star from the Atlanta Hawks. That is ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you guys for your support and your continued support. Those looking to purchase a bottle of shade by Laportier head over to laportiercognac.com to purchase you a bottle if it's currently unavailable any state or city near you. It is a premium VSOP Cognac, the best tasting, smoothest VSOP Cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe again the Cavaliers beat the Raptors 114 to 112 thanks to a 22 and 19 game from Jared Allen. The Pistons beat the Magic 116 to 94K. Cunningham 32 points, 12 assists, 2 blocks, 4 of 6 from the 3 point line and he got help from from his teammate and co host. 30 points, nine rebounds, three steals, five or seven shooting from the three point line from Tobias Harris as they move on and they take on the Cavaliers on Tuesday night. The Knicks and the 76ers play tomorrow night. Thank you guys. They play tomorrow night. Yeah, the spurs are tomorrow night too.

[ISO Joe Johnson]

Also.

[Shannon Van Dam]

Spurs play Minnesota tomorrow night also. Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. We're back tomorrow after the games. Peace.

[Chad Ochocinco Johnson]

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