Nightcap Hour 3: DeMar DeRozan CLAPS BACK at Fan + Rory McIIroy WINS Back 2 Back MASTERS

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 3 (April 13, 2026)

Host: Shannon Sharpe
Guests/Co-Hosts: Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson), Joe Johnson (ISO), Nightcap Regulars
Theme: Athlete legacy, sports greatness across eras, money in pro sports, fan Q&A, and candid banter

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Episode Overview

In this lively Nightcap Hour, Shannon Sharpe (ISO Joe Johnson), Chad “Ocho Cinco” Johnson, and their co-hosts dig into hot sports stories and take enthusiastic questions from listeners. The big topics: DeMar DeRozan’s climb up the NBA scoring charts amid fan criticism; Rory McIlroy’s historic back-to-back Masters triumphs; and wide-ranging athlete comparisons. The crew also riffs on athlete wealth, basketball’s changing landscape, sneaker culture, and some classic “who-wins” hypotheticals—all in the rollicking, unapologetic Nightcap style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. DeMar DeRozan’s NBA Milestone and Fan Backlash

(03:18 – 06:06)

• Context: Some NBA fans express dismay that DeRozan could surpass Shaq on the all-time points list if he continues to average 18 points for another 105 games.
• Joe Johnson pushes back:
  “Who in the hell do you have an opinion on somebody's career, clown?” (03:24)
• Modern stats explained: Longer careers, more games, and better training/diet mean more players are poised to outpace legends statistically. Passing a great in stats “doesn’t mean you’re the better player.”
• Money and longevity now:
  “If you’re a good player now, Joe and Ocho, if you don’t make six, seven hundred million dollars, you need your ass whipped, boy.” – Joe (05:16)
• Perspective: “Records aren’t set for perpetuity. Game changes, players evolve.”
  Notable moment: The crew agrees that records will always be broken as the context of the game evolves.

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2. Rory McIlroy’s Historic Masters Double

(06:06 – 08:36)

• Rory joins the all-time greats: Rory won his sixth major and became the first back-to-back Masters champion since Tiger Woods (2001-2002).
• Rory’s age and potential: Already with a complete career slam at age 36, with golf’s long career runway, he could win more.
• On golf’s difficulty: Consistency at the top is brutally hard; being great demands obsession, intense daily practice, and mental toughness.
• Athletic cross-talk:
  “How much time you think Serena and Venus put in?...Alcaraz and Sinner and Federer and Nadal and Djokovic?” – Joe (08:52)
  Ocho: “I got homies who play golf...eight hours, man.” (09:09)

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3. Athlete Wealth: Contracts and Lifetime Earnings

(05:04 – 05:44)

• Modern contracts dwarf historical ones:
  “Jason Tatum is already in the top 10 [of money earned] and he ain't even 30. Daddy gonna crack a billion dollars in NBA salary.” – Joe (05:32)
• Commentary on athlete motivation and the business incentives driving long careers.

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4. Legacy and How We Appreciate Greatness

(41:50 – 43:10)

• Delayed appreciation: LeBron (LBJ) likely won’t be truly appreciated until long after retirement.
• Historical precedent:
  “Do you really appreciate Michael Phelps...Usain...Serena...Tiger...you just take it for granted.” – Joe (42:26)
• Enduring lesson: The crew reflects that fans often fail to recognize and appreciate living legends in the moment.

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5. Fan Mailbag – Q&A and Banter

(19:13 – 58:38) A lively sequence where listeners submit video questions and hot takes:

Notable Segments

• Could Joe Johnson in his prime beat Kobe/Jordan?
  “Yeah, yeah, I kick their ass.” – Ocho (20:30)
  Joe: “I always feel like I can hold my own.” (20:53)
• Sneaker battles:
  Joe and Ocho tally up their shoe collections, reflecting on exclusive Jordans, Air Maxes, and player-edition rarities – but both have sold off much of their collections. Ocho wears size 16, so he’s “stuck with a lot.” (24:09–26:17)
• Comparing athlete styles (NBA/NFL):
  Ocho likens his game to Andre Johnson (36:10), and Joe picks Luka for his change-of-pace creativity. (“Luka, ability to start and stop. That’s what I could…” – Joe, 36:30)
• “What Ifs”—Brandon Roy is celebrated as a lost superstar due to injuries (38:30).
• On trash talk & bet challenges:
  The hosts playfully challenge each other:
  “All I need is for one person to piss me off, and when I get pissed off, I’m gonna go berserk.” – Ocho (22:59)
• March Madness Brackets & Future Bets:
  A running joke about how Ocho’s “lousy” picks still beat the others, ending with a challenge for higher stakes next year. (47:44)

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6. Personal Stories & Candid Moments

• Birthday reflections: Ocho plans a low-key birthday, reminiscing about his 25th with a live Jagged Edge performance. (50:11)
• Injury setbacks: Joe laments a bowling injury: “Y’all done cost me a couple of days. A couple of…” (11:02)
• Classic Love Advice:
  Joe: “Hey, man, be straight, man...all I can do is give you the information, Ocho. That’s it. You do what you want to do with it.” (45:53)
• Financial “Swear Jar” humor:
  “Every time you curse, you add $5 to the jar.” (34:04)
  “It’s like an alcoholic trying to stop drinking...I’m trying.” (34:22)

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7. Playoff & Basketball Analysis

• Thunder’s chances (“OKC fan” Q): Everyone’s bullish on the Thunder’s chemistry and youth (43:10).
• MVP/Point Guard debate: If Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (SGA) wins another MVP, does he top Harden and challenge D-Wade among all-time great guards? (37:36)

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8. Surprise NBA Players – 2026 Season

The co-hosts name this year’s breakout NBA stars:

• Nakia Alexander-Walker (Hawks)
• Jaylen Brown (Boston) – 28 PPG
• Keonte George (Utah)
• Cooper Flagg’s hype / rookie impact (56:55 – 58:09)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “All these guys are in better shape. They eat different, they train different.” – Joe (04:54), on the evolution of athlete longevity.
• “Golf...Basically, you become obsessed.” – Joe (08:47)
• “Records aren’t set for perpetuity. Game changes, players evolve.” – Joe (04:38)
• “I’m supposed to kick your butt. I don’t really get no stripes for that.” – Ocho, on one-on-one predictions with co-hosts (51:38)
• Fan callout: “You better tell your man he might want to stay out this mess, okay? ...It’s gonna get ugly.” – Ocho (22:18–22:32)
• “I ain’t what I once was, but I’m better than 99 of the Mofos will ever be.” – Joe (13:01)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• DeRozan’s all-time scoring/clapping back: 03:18 – 06:06
• Rory McIlroy Masters win discussion: 06:06 – 08:36
• Money & contracts in the modern NBA: 05:04 – 05:44
• Fan Q&A starts: 19:13
• Greatness appreciation, LeBron reflections: 41:50 – 43:10
• Sneakerhead conversation: 24:02 – 26:17
• NBA surprise stars: 56:55 – 58:09

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Overall Tone & Style

The episode is a smart-but-rowdy barbershop talk—brash, knowledgeable, friendly trash talk, full of real talk about the shifting sands of sports greatness, athlete careers, making your money, and keeping it real about legacy and competition. Listeners get both laughs and wisdom, plus direct shoutouts and engagement from the hosts.

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For New Listeners

Expect a spirited, unscripted conversation laced with expert insight, heated debates, nostalgia, and fan-driven banter. Whether you care about NBA career milestones, athlete fortunes, or who brings more heat to a 1v1, this episode delivers peak Nightcap flavor.

Transcript

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[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

DeMar DeRozan only needs to average 100. Excuse me. 18 points per game and another 105 games to surpass Shaq in career points and enter the top 10. I find this deeply disturbing. Disturbing? F you mean. Who in the hell do you have an opinion on somebody's career clown?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Who is there?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Somebody tweeted Demar DeRozan. Cuz if he average 100 and so basically, if he plays two more years. Yeah. Average 18 points a game, he's going to crack the top 10 in scoring. And the guy says, well, I find that disturbing because this man's gonna pass Shaq. There are. It's a different game and he's still playing. He's still putting the ball at. In. In the bucket at a. At an elite level.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, okay.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

That's okay. There are a lot of players that's going to pass some perennial grades as far as passing touchdowns, receiving touchdowns, rushing touchdowns. That doesn't mean that they're better player.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Yeah, the game guys passing.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Look at all these guys. That's passing Marino and passing touchdowns and passing yards that passed away game different. What are we doing?

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Yeah, these records.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I mean, you don't. I mean, did you set the record for perpetuity? Did you think like nobody sold other words? Whatever the record was, it's gonna be frozen in time. So nobody can crack the top 10 but the top 10.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Yeah, it's more. So the name. It's more. Yes.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

That's all these guys know more. These guys are in better shape. They eat different, they train different, they

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

gain faster the game.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

And plus the money is so great now is that, bro, I'm gonna make. I'm gonna try to make this 20 million. However much money they making. I'm gonna try to make this as long as I possibly can.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You hear me?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

If you're a good player now, Joe and Ocho, if you don't make six, seven hundred million dollars, you need your ass whipped, boy. That ain't but two and a half

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

contracts and just locking in. Yes, locking in, bro.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Good.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Jason Tatum is already in the top 10 of money earned and that he ain't even 30. Jason, Daddy gonna get crack a billion dollars in NBA salary.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes. He gonna probably get him another 250.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah, you'll get another. You gonna get another supermax. Yeah, okay. Demar Derosen, 16. He gonna pass a lot. He gonna pass a lot of people.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Hell, he play another three, four years, hell, he might pass Will Chamberlain. Dirk defense went to hell. I would, I would marrow this one. Well, Roy McElroy had to wait more than a decade to win the Masters and complete the Cambria Grand Slam. But guess what? He went back to back. He only had to wait a. Wait a year to take his second trophy because he becomes the first back to back champion since Tiger woods completed defeat in 2001. 2002, now he joins Jack Nicklaus in 6566. Nick Faldo 89.90, Tiger 0102. And now Rory McElroy does it. Rory won his six major title, his second, well, master's title in the last 12 month, which has firmly planted himself among the 10 best golfers of all time. The question is, how high can he climb?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He, that's back to back.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

He's back to back. So he's only the fourth golfer to ever go back to back at the Masters. He already has six major titles and he's already completed the slam. So he's won the British Open, the U. S. Open, the PGA and the Masters. And two of those are Masters.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Damn. How old is Roy?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Gotta be 30. And then you know, you get, you get four check cracks a year. How is Roy Ash? 30, 31, 36. 36. I didn't know 36.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hell.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

And you know Phil won a, a major damn near 50. So you could play golf for a long, long, long ass time.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Long time.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Damn. You know the funny thing about golf too, it's hard to be consistent.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah.

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As difficult as the game is, as great as all the players are, it's very difficult to be consistent.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

You gotta get the course. You're not competing against the other guys. They're playing the course, they're playing the same course.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey, you gotta put some Real time in with that golf boy.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Oh, hell, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm talking about. I ain't talking about no two hours neither. I'm talking about. Yeah. Four, five, six hours. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

A day.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Putting, chipping, using wedges, using irons, fairway. Yes. Yes.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You gotta put.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

You got. Basically. Basically. Basically, you become obsessed.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

It's just like anything a basketball player, football player, tennis. How much time you think Serena and Venus put in? How much you think Alcaraz and center and Federer and the doll and Djokovic. How much time you think they put in to get. Great at that?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, listen. Hey, Ocho, I got homies who play golf. I'm talking about. Yeah. For them boys to be out there. Eight hours, man.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

They playing for fun, too, huh?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

They.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

They bragging rights fun. They gambling. They doing all type everything going on.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah. If it's a. I never. You know, my brother loves it. He's addicted to it. You know, he's got to build back up because he had to take that time off for his eye. He had, you know, three or four eye surgeries. He had a detached retina, and, you know, he had to be face down for 20 plus hours a day, and so he had. He's got to build back up, but he loves. He's back out there now, but he love it, man. Bro, you need to come out here and join me. Click. Let me hang up on you right quick. Ain't coming out of your. Man, I'll. I'll Grew up in the South. Grew up in the sun, Ocho. I can't take the sun like that no more, Ocho. Yeah, man. I grew up. You got to think about it. On, Joe. From the time I can remember until I retired at 35, I've been in the sun. So I was in the sun 30 plus years. I can't do the sun no more, man. Son beat my ass,

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

man.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

It'd be so hot in the garage, like, damn.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Okay. I can't get. I can't. Joe. I can't get in the golf until I can't move no more, man.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah, okay.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

When I. I can't be able to run. I can't be able to do nothing. Okay. I can't.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

That.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

It just ain't no movement for me, Joe. I got to be moving around. I got to be doing something, man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Golf.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Golf.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

A patient game, bro. You ain't.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You got no patience, Ocho.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

You ain't.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. You can't do it.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Nah, I just go to Top Golf and hit the Ball. Eat.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, look, I like doing that too, though, while you playing.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah, yeah, I do that. I don't even know if I can do that now. Y' all don't mess my leg up playing bowling. I don't even know I can play. I don't even know I can hit the golf ball.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, man, come on.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Y' all ruined me. I don't know what I'm gonna do, man. Y' all done cost me a couple of days. A couple of.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I gotta get right.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I got my birthday coming up. I gotta get in shape, you know what I'm saying?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

What you doing for your birthday?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Colorful, dark. That's about it. I ain't doing too much. No, I got. Like I said, I got.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hold on.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

What the day is? What's today's date day? The 13th. Okay, how many. How many days in this month? 31 or 30.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

April.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

30th. April 31st. April 30th. 30. Okay, they got 30. They got 31 in May. So I got. No, 17. May, 31. That's 48, my birthday. So I got by. I got about two. I got about 10 weeks.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I'm gonna see what I can do. I'm gonna see if I can. I'm gonna see if I can peel this on you one more time. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I believe I can feel this on you one more time. Yeah. 38.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Hold on, hold on. Wait. You peeling the onion, but what you peeling the onion for? To do what you got to be.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I just tried to tell you. I'm shake the COVID for dark.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

That's it.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

That's it. That's all I. Oh, that's all. Like, hey, man, like Joe say, slow motion. Better than no motion.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hello.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Now.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hello.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I got some motion, though, but it's slow.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

At least take a nice little trip somewhere, man.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I mean, you know, I'm trying. You know, I'm trying to. From the living room to the balcony. That's a trip. I gotta build my strength back up their right leg, you know, it feel a little better, Ocho. So, Right. I gotta get back in there and squat. I gotta get my get, but, you know.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, you know.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah, back up.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Yeah, I got you.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

What I used to be.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

I got you.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

You know, I ain't. I ain't what I once was, but I'm better than 99 of the Mofos will ever be.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

There you go. There you go.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

No, no, no, ain't nothing.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, ain't no. Ain't nothing.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Slow about o', Shay, but it won't right now.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, that boy, I'm about to pick that up. Everybody about to turn 58. Oh yeah, he finna cut a rug. Hey look, I'm about to, I'm about to turn four, five over here, man. I might do a little something too, huh? You hear me?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Let's do something.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, I'm throw this thing a party over here, you hear me?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Oh, you throw the party.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm throw this thing a party over here. Yeah, okay, okay.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

When your birthday? Oh, Joe, you in June too, right? 29th.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

29th of June.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Okay, I'll be 26.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, okay.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Hey, hey, let's, hey, let's have a.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I think your birthday the same day as John Elways, Joe, is it? Yeah, yeah, you got. Because I'm the 26th, he's the 29th,

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I think I didn't told you, but you got the same birthday as my best friend.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah, well, I'll be there, I'll be there. You have a little something at the crib?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, I might have a little something something, you know what I mean?

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

I can come, Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, we're gonna have to see. We gotta see your rap, your rap sheet. Ain't they ain't, ain't that great?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

I done sent you $200 already.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't want it. I don't want it. I don't want to take it back. Yeah, take it back. I don't want it.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

I can't. Well, I can't. I can't wait to that party on the 26th. I'm gonna be there, boy.

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[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

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[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

all right, it's time for our final segment of the evening. It's time for Q.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey,

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Before we get to our super chats, we've got four video boards, mail from our discord. Make sure you check out our Discord and maybe we'll miss one of your videos. Here's the first one. Let's take a listen. What's up? What's up, Ocho? All right, so I got a question for you, man. I watched some of your highlights today, man. One of the greatest players I ever seen. I don't see how you got the name ISO, but I know how you got the name ISO. But that should have caused your buzz to be the dog cause you you was cleaning buzz, beating them buzzes. But my question is in your prime, enjoying prime and Kobe prime. Best out of five. Do you think you could beat one of them? Best out of five. And how many games do you think you could have won? I think you could have went five with all of them. But I want to know what you think.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, I kick their ass.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Talk that Joe gonna happen.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Look, I got a chance to compete against Kobe numerous occasions. I had some great battles with him. But I think what people don't understand from a two guard standpoint, when I first came into league, Uncle Ocho. I was a strictly two guard. I wasn't playing really small forward, power forward, right. Coming to about 12, 13 years on down the line. So me being a big two guard, I'm about the biggest two guard in the league. Guys couldn't guard me. I post up, shoot the three had a nice handle. I could get to wherever I wanted to, so I never had a problem with guys like that. You know what I mean? Would they give me problems? Yeah. But for the most part, I always feel like I can hold my own. For sure.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

That's what I'm talking about, Joe for. Here's our second one. Let's take a listen. Nightcap. Big three. What's good with y', all, man? Isaiah tapping in again from Northern California. Look, man, I got a bone to pick with Unc and Joe and the Chat. I don't think I've seen any. Any of y' all give Ocho any kind of support. Y' all just be thinking this man lying. Just a lie. And. And he doesn't mean what he says. And he doesn't. You know, he doesn't say what he means. Look, man. Hey, Joe, you gonna find out when he gets you on that court and when he gets you in that ring. And I hope Ocho do some work on you because you was hating on my take last week about Kelton Johnson winning Six man of the Year, dog. Like you was naming everybody except Keldon Johnson, man. You rooting against your own cousin winning Six man of the Year? That's crazy, dog. Hey, oh, handle this, man. Joe, bro. Handle Joe for me. Hey, I support you, Ocho. From the Bay Area to Dade County.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Love.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

That's what I'm talking about.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, you better tell your man he might want to stay out this mess, okay?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

He might wanna.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He might want to stay out this mess because I'll tell you, it gonna get ugly.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Oh, it ain't gonna get ugly.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's gonna get ugly.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Hey, no, no, no, no, no, no. Joe, he. He right. He right. And listen, all I needed. All I need is one supporter. That's all I need. I don't need everybody to support me. I enjoy being the bad guy. I enjoy being the villain. You hear me? And you ain't got but one thing about it is when we touch that court. When we touch that court and you see them tassels? Yeah, we see them tass.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, look.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Hey. And this here, Joe. But you don't want none of this, Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey, that's all I. All I need is for one person to piss me off. And when I get pissed off, I'm talking about, I'm gonna go berserk. And I'm telling you that now.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Well, you got two. Him and him and Joe. Him and Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So somebody ass in trouble. That's all I got to say.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

All right, Keep that. Hey, keep that same energy now.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. I'm just letting you know.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah, that same energy. Here's our third one. Let's take a listen.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

What up?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Night, cat.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Ocho and Steel.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Hey. Hello. You know your boy Brandon, live from West Virginia. Finna going to work, man.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Just wanted to say thank y', all, man.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Y' all make overnight shifts go by so fast. Laughing at y', all, man.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

But my question is, Joe, you were

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

a Jordan brand athlete, so I'm quite

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

sure you've collected a lot of cool kids kicks over the years. And Unc is a well known sneaker head.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So if y' all had like a

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

battle, who you think got the most exclusive sneakers?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Damn. I don't really.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I sold a bunch of mine.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, me too. I ain't gonna lie to you.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I sold. I sold 300, I think 313 or 323 pairs.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You did, you did. Like, I did an auction. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

But I just didn't have Jordan. I had like air Maxes. I had like air ones. I had 95s, 97. So I had. I had a bunch of stuff. I had LeBron's. I had some exclusive stuff from a Edison chin, Nigel Sylvester. I mean, I had a lot of stuff. Yeah, a lot of. Lot of. I mean, like, I had the OGs, like the cool grays, like when they came out. Not the retros. Yeah, yeah. And cements.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah. I had. I had a lot of player edition shoes that, you know, they only made for, like, for us guys from, you know, different. Like, I play here in Atlanta, so I had like the Atlanta colors, things of that sort. So I had some pretty exclusive stuff. But like, like you said I had. I done got rid of so much. So much of that stuff, man. I don't nearly have as much as I used to have. You know what I mean?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah, I still. I still got. I still got some stuff I need to get rid of. Because, I mean, when it comes down to it, O Joe and Joe, I just wear the same sneakers.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I ain't gonna go. I ain't gonna go through all them boxes, you know, I still. I still got some exclusive stuff. I still, like, got the. The Jordan Olympics, the mirrors And I got the. I still got the. The Doernbechers, the Superman. So I got, like, duck stuff. Organ duck stuff. But, yeah, I'm probably gonna get up off that, too, in the next. Probably year or two.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Hey, Joe. Uncle Joe. I didn't simplify my closet. My closet is about three different. Three different styles.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Nike Air Force ones, my Black Chucks and my White Chucks. A high top pair and a low top pair.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

And a bunch of Adidas Sambas, man. Listen, literally, that's it. Now, obviously, dress shoes and a pair of boots.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, look, I'm willing to get rid of a lot more, but this, I wear a damn size 16. It ain't many people wearing those 16s, you know what I mean? So I'm stuck with a lot. I don't got homeboys who wear 16, none of my kids, you know? So a lot of just kind of sitting.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Yeah, but not 16. But you're gonna be kind of slow trying to hang with me, huh?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey. Yeah. All right. Okay.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Beside 16. But you're gonna be two. You're gonna be about two, three steps behind Joe. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Here's our fourth and final one. Let's take a listen.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Unc.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Ocho.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

ISO. What it do, King? ISO. My bad.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Listen, I love y'.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

All. Love y' all to death. Especially you, Chad. But I got some smoke for you, my boy. I got some smoke. Listen, for one, you owe my uncle some money. And two, you owe the anointed one some money, too, because you ain't getting away with them tickets. Blowing them off of them tickets. All right, listen.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

So that's how we gonna settle this. Not only is he gonna get you on one on one, because you know, Chad, I love you. Again, it's from the heart, but you ain't got no chance. But anyways, this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna tie your left hand behind your back. You got three minutes. Unc Joe, we gonna get him.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Love, Chad.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

It's all peace. Just had to say mine. You know what I'm saying? Love, y' all keep doing what you're doing. I listen to you guys every day. I drive a truck for Amazon. So, yeah, y' all get me through my day. Love.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Hey, you drive a truck for Amazon. Stop leaving a package at the front gate.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Yeah. Hey.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Bring that something put on the damn porch.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Hey, matter of fact, you know what? He just pissed me off, huh? Hey, people, Bryson just pissed me off, not Joe. He done made it worse for you, huh? Yeah. People Bryson made it work for you, Joe. Yeah, it's on now,

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Sam. The grand ain't up if the Lakers manage to win the first round series against Houston.

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[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

That's innerbalance.com goat mask for nightcap oh hey, used to the cat bird seats them undisputed days yeah, we got you. We got something I need to get me a whole man he win the first round series I might bring out a whole goat costume. Matter of fact, I might get a goat. You go have a goat in there like I had on Undisputed. You gonna go get you a goat

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

with a little baby goat.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yep. Boy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Because if they.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

If they pull that off, that mean Braun does some hell of a boy for.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

For. Oh, for sure. EJ71. What's up? What's up? Guys? Love the show. Make a lie jar for Oo. 200 per lie and split it after the year. First of all, Oo was supposed to start a swear jar. He started that the first year. Me ain't no money. What a jar. Oo.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Oh, no. I talked to my therapist. My therapist said I need to express myself in all ways I can. And so part of me expressing myself, even though I have extensive vocabulary. You know, people think because you curse, you don't.

[Podcast Host 1 (Health & Lifestyle)]

You.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

You don't have extensive vocabulary. Yes, I do. It's just saying, hey, hey, hey, hey, Joe, if I sit here and say, man, you know what? Joe, boy, I love you, Joe boy, you my dog.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Sound cool?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

You know, but if I say, man, Joe, boy, I love you, boy.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

See?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

That has emphasis on what I'm. Message I'm trying to get across.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Hey, don't nobody cook no food without no seasoning.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah, right. Guess what else it add.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Huh?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Guess what other it add? It adds $5 to the square jar. So you add some seasoning, add $5 to it.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Okay, that's fine. That's fine, man.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Chad, how much money you think we'd have if OO If OO would have kept that. That swear jar that he started our first year, and he said he gonna put $5 in every time you swear. How much money you think we have?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

A few grand. Yeah, a few grand.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Hey, hey, listen, I've been working on it. It's like. It's like an alcoholic trying to stop drinking.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Huh?

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

You know, I'm. I'm trying.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah, you can't.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Alcoholic can't be around alcohol. If you want to stop.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Well, I mean, would you want me to stop talking?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

All right.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Cut out Nightcap to get him to start cussing, but he gonna cuss somewhere else. You know, just. He just don't curse over here, Tyrion. Oh, Joe. If you could compare your careers or play style to an NBA player, who would it be? And ISO, who would you compare yours to in NFL terms? It can't. It can't. It can be past or present.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Damn.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Who, hey, who, hey, you'll be better because you know basketball better than I do. Who.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Who that be?

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

AI?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah, I can say that.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hold on. Who say AI?

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

AI?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You talking about artificial intelligence. Ain't no way there. You talking about.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's about. About the same. Yeah, same. Do it. Do it your way, you know, then change didn't conform.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

It's hard because for me, my ability to start and stop, that's what I could do. I could start, stop. I had shake. I would probably say, Damn.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'll probably say. I say like a Andre Johnson.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I would probably. You know what? I'll probably say? Luca. Because Luca, ability to start and stop.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It'd be a bad mofo, ain't you?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah, that's what I could. I run around. Oh, hey, Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I run a rock.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Now, I said that thing down because you got to realize I came from a wide receiver. I was a wide receiver that moved the tight end.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

So tight ends, they clumber. Someday they playing bumper cars, they want to bump into the guy and break away. N. I ain't trying to let you touch me because I know you grab me and I was that big. I wasn't like a Gron or a Gonzalez guy that can, you know, that can bump a car, bump into you and break away. So now I'm ch. Oh, oh, no. I'm getting skinny. Now you see me. Now you don't. Tony O. If Shay wins another MVP title, is he the third best point guard ever? I see him as a shooting guard, but he passes Harden and is right behind D. Wade. Thoughts?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah. If he win. If he win another one.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

But he a point though, so that means he got to be. Well, he's. Well, he'll be. Probably be the third, but because, you know, magic and, and, and, and,

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

and man, he'll.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Because he does. He does handle the ball. I mean, no matter what. We want to think about AI and Harden. Yeah, there were two guards, but they got listed as point guard. So they go down his point guards. Joe. Yeah, there were two guards masquerading his points.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

There you go, there you go. He's a different breed, bro. Yeah. You know, focus locked in, keep his nose clean. He playing out stupid, hard working. Yeah, he get another one, boy. Yeah, he gonna be up in there. He gonna be in that conversation, huh? He gonna pass. He gonna pass some dudes, some.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Some legends. Yeah. Sir Alexander ISO, my Arkansas bro rep that Forest City ran into Brandon Roy. Can you talk about his game and is he on the what if list?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. Oh, of course. Brandon Roy was tough. Played in Portland. I competed against him for a number of years. Always was a tough battle. Me and him had some. Some great battles, some great one on one battles, but he had everything. Ocho. The boy had bounce. He could score, he could shoot the middle, he could shoot a three, he could post up, he could defend. Yeah. If it weren't for those knee injuries he had him and lamarcus. Oh, my God, that boy was serious. Man. Had plenty of game. A whole lot of.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yep, he won them. Was. Man, what if.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

What if? J Dub, Akron ISO, you must have missed. What? Ocho told you to have the Miss Rabbit punch you while performing. Ocho gotta explain that logic. He said what he said, told Ocho you have to have the Mist Miss Rabbit punch while you performing the Miss Rabbit punch. Yeah.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Huh?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

You told Ocho he needed to have the rabbit punch.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Oh, Joe, Remember I told you what? But, you know, when she. What? We talked about that on the show the other day, you were like, nah, I ain't. I ain't doing that.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What about it?

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Donkey punch. You gotta tell her. Donkey punch you right in the back of the head.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

For what?

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

You know, when she. You know, your groceries.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Come on.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm cool.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You ain't. You ain't living. Joe. Hey, hey, look. Look everywhere I done been. I done had somebody. I did an event with the Hawks today. A dude stopped me. A dude stopped me talking about that. Talking about, man. Okay. OO crazy, man. I said, yeah, they are crazy. Yeah, I know. Something wrong with Ocho.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

It's OO ain't no O be trying to pull me into his shenanigans, man. Leave me alone. Sheldon Pole5125 Netflix airing the Jailblazers documentary this week. ISO, what do you remember from competing against them in the. In them 2,000 Portland teams?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, man, they. They were very explosive. My rookie year when I played against that Portland team. Scottie Pippen was on that team. I took Scottie Pippen from Arkansas. It's like my first time really getting a chance to see him in person, to even meet him in person. So I thought that was pretty cool. But outside of that, you know, they were a hell of a team, bro, who really had a great chance to at least get to the finals, to the unfortunate collapse that they had, you know, in that. What was that? Game seven? What was that, the 2000 finals or 2000 Western finals or the 2000.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Oh, yeah. When they when they. When they choked against Shaqna, oh, man. They had that lead. Yeah. I think that was 2000. 2000.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. 2000.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah. Hey, I think you were at a point where LBJ won't get the love he deserves until 5, 10 years after retires. People don't know what they're watching. They don't.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I don't. I'm not so sure. They don't know. I don't know if they're properly appreciated. Because a lot of times we don't proper properly appreciate greatness when we see it. It's not until it's retired.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. He long gone before everybody really appreciate. Be like, man, damn, we really took dude for granted.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yep. Yeah, but that happens. I mean, when you, like. You watching, do you. Did you really appreciate Michael Phelps when he won eight gold medals? Do you really appreciate you saying, when he's running those times, you, like, you're just like, oh, man, somebody else gonna come? No. Or. Or Serena, you just take it for granted.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

It's not until they, like, damn, man. Serena really dominated. Tiger woods really dominated. These guys winning. I mean, Tiger woods winning 8, 9, 10 tournaments in a year. They say, like, now we gotta. We got a winner every other week.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Tiger showed up. Tiger winning.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah. That's how greatness is, bro. That's how greatness is. It's a savage. Okay, OKC fan, what's our chance? Looking. Running it back, fellas. We looking good. You looking damn good.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Got a great. Got a great chance, a great opportunity.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Damn good.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Very.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Some guys that's hungry, too,

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

and everybody healthy, too.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yep. Got a great trail digging. Hey, can you hit that Love Train for the chance? This is Sunday. Congrats on 2 million, man. Man, I. I was. They was telling the story. Because I. I love that song. And he was telling the story. I was like, damn. Two members, same group, seeing the same woman, man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What?

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Wait, Love Train.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Ltd. No, that's Confunction.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, that's what?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

LTD was with Jeffrey Osborne. Jeffrey Osborne with the lead singer. Then he went solo on his own. It happened sometime, Ocho. You don't know what? You don't know.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Well, listen, man, you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Boy, how they know they were seeing the same woman, though?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Cause, hey, she kept that back on the hush until he looked like, damn. He was right there, you know, he was talking about her, you know, hey, man, I met this bad girl, man. Oh, hey, Joe Ultra.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Man, what she look like? Man, she bounced probably about 5, 8, 5, 9. Light skin, got her natural hair. I mean, Body to die for. What's her name? What you mean at. Yeah, how long you been talking to her? Oh, you. Hey, you. Hey, you know, they start asking, how long you been talking to her?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Oh, Lord.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, you know what's up.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah, but, hey, man, be straight, man. Hey, you know, something about old girl better don't leave out. Don't let your boy be out there bad, you know? Hey, yeah, you know, the rookies come. Like, we've been there. I've been there. I was there since 90, so I kind of know. I don't know everybody, but I kind of know.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Hey, Sean, what's up, man? What's up? With a girl? Yeah, she used to, you know, talk to such and such, but. Yeah, I think she cool, but, you know, she used to talk to X, Y, and Z, but he no longer here.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

So I ain't. I ain't gonna let you be out there just blind. Yeah, but, you know, sometimes they. They want what they want. So what you gonna do? All I can do is just give you the information, Ocho. That's it. You do what you want to do with it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey. Sometimes that who I have them in that chokehold, boy. They ain't studying nothing.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

It won't.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Hey, it's been that way. Wars have been started, man. I mean, why did. Why did Samson tell Delilah where his strength lie? David, why he do that? Adam. Adam took a bite of that apple. He told. Hey, you eat all these trees. Eat wherever you want to. Oh, Eve started talking to him.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

There you go.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Put a joke like McGruff took a big bite out of the crime.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Podcast Host 1 (Health & Lifestyle)]

Oh,

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

cold game, boy.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

It is. Sir Alexander, are y' all gonna ask someone to talk baseball like CC Barnes or maybe Jeter? Nah, man. There, there. Honestly, Sir Alexander, there's not really enough interest from our people in our chat to. To justify it. Triple X come Saturday, Ocho picked the Lakers, man. Lakers about to get swept.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

They know he janky.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Hey, hey, the funny thing about it is, when it comes to teams I pick, I don't lose. Y' all see y' all let y' all laugh at my bracket for March Madness.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Now, even big mascots,

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

I still came out better than y' all two.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You ain't win. You ain't win nothing.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

I still came out better than y', all, too. Long as I beat y', all, that's all I care about.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Okay, I tell you what. Next year, we gonna pick, and we gonna put some money on the line.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, that's what I'm talking about. See here now. Now I got to lock in. Now I got to lock in.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

That's what we gonna do.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Each of us put a thousand dollars up.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

There we go.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Wait.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

How much?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

A thousand. Yeah, that's what I thought. Now pick mascots again. Did your son finally learn how to make those sandwiches? Still laughing at that story, man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, he learned how to make them damn sandwiches. Hey, you go hungry enough, boy? You. Hey, whatever in there. You'll find. You'll find a ways to make something. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Sam LeGrand, 89 ISO a Cowboy fan, so it's only natural that he bring delusion into his basketball fandom.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

All right, now.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Nah, chill, chill, chill.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

I'm. I'm just saying.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Fighting guy, who you got? Ocho and ISO in the Oklahoma drill also got the. Ocho got the ball.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Mama come up clean as rat. I'm gonna clean him up, Joe.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Hey, why you crazy, Joe?

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

You ain't got enough bricks in your pocket, boy?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

What?

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

You hear me? But, hey, Joe, you see that? You see the animals I had to deal with, man, during my career, Joe? Man, I would have. I would have ran through you, Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You ain't going through no contact. Oh, you trying to get around somebody, you ain't trying to go through, Joe.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

I'm running through people, Joe.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I'm. Joe said he ain't even. Never. They never did Oklahoma drill. He's gonna shut you down. Ooh, Joe. Damn, Joe.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

I'm going right through you, Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No contact.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Hey, matter of fact, I' ma show you. I'm gonna show you. When I get the ball, when we play one on one, I'm going in the post, okay?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

All right. All right.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Post. And I'm back. You down like. Like Shaq back when he was with the Lakers, huh? What we talking about, man? I got. I got something you can't measure, Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What's that? Your heart.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

You can't measure that, Joe.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Right? Burn. Fellas. I turned the big 25 on Saturday, and I'm drawing a blank on plans. What did y' all get until y' all 25th straight out? 501. Love ISO home team.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

I'm the wrong one to ask, boy. My every birthday, he said, what we

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

get for our 25th birthday?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah, man, you know how long that's been?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hold on, hold on.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

You know, my.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

My 25th birthday, I had a party back home in Little Rock, and Jagged Edge came and performed. Told that thing. Talking about, tow that thing down. You hear me? Told that thing down.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

So who you get who you get who you getting to perform at 45.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Hey, Joe. Hey.

[Podcast Host 1 (Health & Lifestyle)]

Hey.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Hi. Your boy Joe. You know, I got a little band now.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

No, no, no, I'm cool on you.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

I got a little mariachi band.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't know. That's a good question. That's a good question. Right now.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

By that. Cool on you. Yeah.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Joe, support black business, man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, I do, bro. I do.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Ocho, you and I so play 1v1. You got to go at the knee. If I so can't finish the game, that means you win, right?

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, you're gonna cheap shot me?

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Nah, he. That was his. That was his idea. I don't want to cheat. Shot you. I wanted you.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

You wanted to finish. You wanted to stand. So you want to be the fast square.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

I want him. I want him there. I want him get back on the show and say, you know what, Ocho? I underestimated you. Underestimated everything. I take back everything I said about you. You the real deal. In fact, he probably gonna say, you know what? You should have hooped.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

See, the thing is, when I kick. When I kick your butt, I don't really get no stripes for that because I'm supposed to do that.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

You feel me?

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Hey, Joe, you get strike because I'm talking trash. I mean, your grill, Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I mean, I mean nothing. The chat already know that I'm gonna dismantle you. They already.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

The chat is basing it off your. What they've seen you do in the NBA. Now, this ain't.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

And they do NBA rules.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Deep jailhouse rule, Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And based off how they done seen you hoop before, that's what they going out for. You think? Yeah. It ain't just me, Joe.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Just worry about the elbow, Joe. Just worry about the elbow, Joe. That's. That's all I got to say. Matter of fact, you know, I don't want to do too much tongue wrestling. Just. You know what it is.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Hey, Joe, I saw bees on. On Friday and he said he'll let you heal up, but he. He looking for that.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, yeah. He want to smoke. He want his ass.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, yeah. Didn't get right. He can get it. He can get it, too. Hell, ain't nobody exempt. Oh,

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Rocky Handley. Today is my 49th birthday. The biggest fan, Rocky. I appreciate that, man. Happy birthday, bro. 49, man. One more year around the sun. Five zero. Kevin boat night. What's up, Ocho?

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Birthday.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Okay. Oh, you're 12 for 214. Was the chief was a. A God tier. What was Your first thought when the clock reached zero? Well, we went overtime in that game. I didn't know I had the record. I know I had some yards, but I didn't know I had the record until. I think it was Jim Sakamano. I think Jim Sakamo came after the game and told me. You said an NFL record. I say, for what? Say the most receiving yards in the game by tight end. I had no idea. I didn't know what the record was.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

How many was it? How many yards was it?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I had 214. I broke the record with 212.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Damn. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

And I have. I had 31 yards at the half. Ocho. I had 183. 183. And two touchdowns in the second half.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I'm saying the second half.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

What.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What was the difference?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

They got me the ball. We were down and we were down.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

And you had to throw.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah, we had to throw.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

they were playing. You had. You had that look on you. You getting out.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Getting up through there.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

First play out the second half. Go 82 on them. Pick him up. Put them down. Oh, yeah. But I probably should have had. I probably should have had. 250. TJ Matt, 21. How good was Albany State back in your day? I'm from Camilla, Georgia. Where Grover Stewart, the DT on the coast from. Is from ISO and still love y'. All. Albany was good, but we cooked them. I lost. Hold on. I lost the Albany State once. I lost to Fort Valley once. I ain't never lost the Clark, lost the Morehouse once, but Albany was good. Albany had a nice squad. Hey, when number two come to town, you already know the dudes. Hey, the deuce was loose. What? Well, we did a number on them. Hey, man, we. Hey, I lost the Fort Valley my first year, but that's when they had Greg Lloyd and la Eddie Anderson. They call the defense Blue Death. Oh, they would. They were loaded. But after that, no more. No more. Ocho went out there. They beat us at our place my freshman year. Then I go back to them, hit them for 8 for 122. Then they come back to us my junior year. I hit them for sale for 197. Yeah, I did it like that. Oh, yeah. Cooking. Just mixing stuff in the pot. Tear the ass up. Caleb Robinson. I'm sorry. As much as I love old goat. LeBron James, Bronnie James, Bryce James, Rick James. Hey, y'. All. Bull driving. Ronnie getting better and better. Joe, he is.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He. He looked good out there. He's starting to look a lot More

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

comfortable, I think had a double. A double digit quarter.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

The third quarter.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

Hey.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Couple of three. Got to the. Rick got to the rack.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. You know what? Cause it's like when I watch him in the G League, he be down there dominating.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Like he gotta bring, he just gotta bring that attitude, that confidence. He got to bring it with him when he play with the Lakers, bro.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yep. That's all he got to do. Richie shoots all. If you guys could make a starting lineup with the players that surprise you the most this season, what would it be? We might have to get a close up to that ocho for that 5,900. Love the show nightcap for life. Oh, most surprising. You talking basketball? I'm thinking basketball. Yes.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Most surprising. I mean, Nakia Alexander Walker here for

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

the Hawks, for sure. He, he on there.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. He probably. He number one on my list.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I'm surprised. I did not see Jaylen Brown averaging 28. No. Who had that on the bingo card?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I thought he would put up some good numbers on. I just didn't think they were resulting in winning.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yes.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I ain't gonna lie. I ain't. I, I, I didn't really see that because they had lost so much. I was like, I think jb, he could potentially, probably lead the league in scoring, but I just didn't know they would be number two in the east still. I ain't know that.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Okay. I did not see him playing like this in a rookie season.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Me neither. That Keonte George kid from Utah?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah,

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

from Baylor. He went to Baylor. He nice. He be getting money out there.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Who else I got?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I thought Cooper Flag would be good, but I didn't think he'd be this good this early.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Nah, he picked it up. He started off a little slow, but then. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I mean, back to back 40 pieces.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's impressive. That's impressive.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Daniel Wells, Ocho, the only man on earth who can get away with turning money old into a bad emergency fund. Come on, get your money. You right about that, man. That takes a special skill for OO because he find a way to get out of it.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

And hey, and it's here if you need it.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I need it. Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. We greatly, greatly appreciate you guys tuning in. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite. And there's my partner, a former pro Bowler and an all pro and a ring of fame honoree for the Cincinnati Bengals. That is Ocho Cinco and the seven time NBA All Star from the Atlanta Hawks and Arkansas Little Rock native. He's ISO. Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you guys for your support. Thank you for your continued support. Because you make this happen, you make it worthwhile. So thank you. Those looking to purchase a bottle of Shea by Laportier. Head over to laportierconac.com to order you a bottle. It is a premium VSOP. Best tasting, smoothest VSOP on the market. It is a vsop, but it drinks like an SO Exo. Excuse me. An exo. So I'm telling you, you know, Joe, we know what we're gonna have. We'll have that. That Shay Floyd at the party.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

Man, that thing gonna be lit. Hey, hey, hey.

[Nightcap Podcast Guest/Co-host]

What y' all want me to wear, Joe?

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

We talk about we.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I got you.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

I got you. Yeah. Hey. We want to thank Colton Hood, University of Tennessee cornerback, early round projection. Wish him the best. He's the Georgia boy, so stay healthy. Congratulations, man. And we wish nothing but the best for you. Playoffs are about to start happening. The playing tournament starts Tuesday and Wednesday. Make sure you tune in for Nightcap for the latest on what happens in those. Y' all know who I am. I'm Unk. He's Ocho. He's ISO. We're off now, but we're back tomorrow night. Can't be off too long. Thank you guys for joining. We greatly appreciate it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He's out.

[Joe Johnson (ISO)]

What you say? No. Okay, we're off tomorrow night, but we're on Tuesday night. My bad. Off tomorrow. On Tuesday. Sam,

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