Nightcap Hour 3: Nationals CELEBRATE Hot Dog Day + Play or Fade

Summary

Club Shay Shay – Nightcap Hour 3: Nationals CELEBRATE Hot Dog Day + Play or Fade

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Date: May 18, 2026
Hosts: Shannon Sharpe (Unc), Chad Ochocinco Johnson, ISO Joe Johnson
Episode Highlights: The trio tackles everything from NBA playoffs and wild food inventions to hip hop legends, family finances, and hot-button debates about legacy and accountability.

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Nightcap" on Club Shay Shay is a vibrant, free-flowing conversation blending sports analysis, personal anecdotes, and playful debate. The hosts cover the Nationals' Hot Dog Day (with the unforgettable "hot dog fries"), delve into NBA playoff matchups and legacy debates, field questions from listeners, reminisce on music and pop culture, and get candid on topics of family, responsibility, and financial literacy.

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Key Topics & Segments

Nationals Celebrate Hot Dog Day: The Hot Dog Fries Debate

Timestamp: 03:08 – 06:46

• Chad Ochocinco introduces the Nationals' new ballpark snack: hot dog fries (shoestring-cut, deep-fried hot dogs served with chipotle ranch).
• Hosts hilariously debate if they’d try it:
  • Ocho: "Nah, I'm good." (03:08)
  • ISO Joe: "Hey, that's me all day." (03:24)
  • Joe Johnson: "Hold on now. I try that though, uncle. I ain't gonna lie to you." (03:29)
• Conversation turns nostalgic with memories of childhood meals like “beanies and weenies.”
• Memorable Moment: ISO Joe, in a moment of comic misunderstanding, says, “Hey, I'mma swallow that thing,” prompting laughter and playful roast from the others. (03:54)

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Play or Fade (NBA Playoff Projections)

Timestamp: 07:05 – 10:47

• The crew reviews Prize Picks prop bets on upcoming NBA games, debating "more or less" for player stat lines.
  • A. Jay Mitchell: All three go with “less” on combined stats (07:46)
  • Dylan Harper: Both Chad and Joe predict “less” for points, rebounds, and assists (08:52)
  • Jalen Williams: Joe says he’ll get more than 15.5 points, but the group debates his minutes (09:37)
  • Stefan Castle: All predict “more” than 5.5 field goals made (10:39)
• Quick, candid analysis on why they lean one way or the other, based on player roles and team rotations.

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Listener Q&A: The Best Ringless NBA Star

Timestamp: 11:24 – 14:42

• Joe Johnson’s pick: Russell Westbrook “...first player to average a triple double in four different seasons. What else he got?”
• Ocho’s pick: Steve Nash, shouting out AI and a long list of deserving players
• ISO Joe: Stands by Allen Iverson
• Debates include Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, Elgin Baylor, James Harden, Chris Paul, and Tracy McGrady.
  • Ocho: "I'm gonna go Chuck." (13:22)

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Listener Q&A: Would SGA Dominate in the ‘90s NBA?

Timestamp: 14:53 – 17:59

• A listener challenges the hosts on whether Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (SGA) could post the same stats in the 1990s.
  • ISO Joe: “Even with the hand checking rule, there are a few players in every era where they would translate regardless..." (14:53)
  • Joe: “I think he'll still average 30. He ain't a high-volume three-point shooter. His game is predicated on the midi… I think he fit right in the 90s, bro.” (15:14)
• The group agrees that handfuls of today’s stars (LeBron, KD) would dominate in any era, but note the physicality and fouling ("you gonna taste it" – Chad, 17:39).

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Family, Finances & Generational Lessons

Timestamp: 62:12 – 71:09

• Ocho and Joe share real talk about helping their kids—providing support but expecting hard work and responsibility.
  • Chad Ochocinco: "Why not take this money and put towards the down payment on the house? Why not get to get a head life?" (63:13)
  • On helping: “If you're not even trying, you always got an excuse… I can't. I'm not doing nothing.” (64:11 - ISO Joe)
• Discussion on generational property: ISO Joe reveals paying $43,000 in back taxes to save his grandmother’s home, highlighting unexpected financial stressors in family dynamics.
  • ISO Joe: “See, you know what? See, that's why you can't talk to rich people…” (68:47) (humorous, but real)

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Music & Cultural Icons

Timestamp: 27:24 – 31:56

• The hosts weigh in on Lil Wayne’s best songs and his cultural impact, with a nostalgic nod to the mixtape era.
• Shannon (Unc) delivers a passionate argument about Michael Jackson’s unmatchable global influence:
  • “The gap between Michael Jackson and the next person is bigger than any gap and any other two.” (28:30)
• Debates about legacy—MJ’s dominance in music compared to any sports GOAT.
  • Joe: “Drake don’t move the crowd like this man...” (29:08)

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NBA Playoffs Deep Dive: Game 7 Recap & Celtics All-Time Starting 5

Timestamp: 23:24 – 49:01

• The group recaps the Cavaliers’ emphatic win over Detroit to move to the Eastern Conference Finals, spotlighting key performances (Jared Allen, Evan Mobley, Sam Merrill off the bench).
• Playful takes on team chemistry and player fatigue.
  • Ocho: "Shout out to the land. Next stop, New York." (25:04)
• Debate: Best all-time Boston Celtics starting five—Bird, Russell, McHale (or KG?), Rondo, and more.
  • Chad: "People act like the guys I put in there are bums!" (48:18)

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Fun, Banter, & Vulnerability

• Hosts poke fun at each other’s sports knowledge and predictions, with ISO Joe cheekily saying, "Y’all ball knowledge ain't like mine… Keep studying, maybe you'll get where I'm at." (52:06)
• ISO Joe shares stories about crying on the show—after heartbreak and sports losses.
  • “I have no problem losing publicly. …But when I'm winning, I'm gonna win publicly, too.” (61:52)
• Lighthearted debates over “who’s worse at taking accountability: a woman who knows she’s wrong or ISO?” and more relationship wisdom.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “If you're not doing nothing, if you're not even trying… I can't. I'm not doing nothing.” – ISO Joe (64:11)
• “The gap between Michael Jackson and the next person is bigger than any gap in any other sport.” – Chad (28:30)
• “Hey, that's me all day.” (on hot dog fries) – ISO Joe (03:24)
• “Why not take this money and put toward the down payment on the house?” – Chad (63:13)
• “You win some, you lose some. But you live to fight another day.” – Joe Johnson (58:08)
• “I have no problem losing publicly…when I'm winning, I'm gonna win publicly, too.” – ISO Joe (61:52)

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Quick Hits, Pop Culture, and Shoutouts

• Shoutouts to fans’ birthdays, cancer survivors, and children visiting Disney World.
• Miami hip hop influences: Unc and Ocho recognize Uncle Luke, Trick Daddy, Rick Ross, and Trina as pivotal to South Florida's sound.
• Recommendations: “If you haven't seen Nemesis on Netflix, go check it out.” – ISO Joe (80:12)
• Friendly debate: Is Troy Polamalu a top-20 DB of all time? Unc has “Ed Reed, Ronnie, [then] Troy.” (80:35)
• NFL/hip hop crossovers, strip club cuisine, and the infamous Magic City lemon pepper wings get their due.

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Timestamps for Highly Memorable Segments

• Hot Dog Fries Takeover: 03:08 – 06:46
• Best Ringless NBA Player Debate: 11:24 – 14:42
• SGA in the ‘90s: 14:53 – 17:59
• Recap: Cavs advance in NBA Playoffs: 23:24 – 26:07
• Celtics All-Time Starting 5 Debate: 47:11 – 49:14
• Michael Jackson vs. Drake—Cultural Impact: 27:24 – 31:56
• Parenting, Weddings, and Financial Advice: 62:12 – 71:09
• ISO Joe’s Vulnerability/Losing Publicly: 61:22 – 62:12

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Tone and Style

Conversational, lively, at times irreverent but filled with respect for culture, the games, and one another. The crew is both insightful and entertaining, mixing serious life perspectives with good-natured ribbing and nostalgia.

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Useful for Listeners Who Missed the Episode

Whether you wanted a rundown of the NBA’s hottest playoff topics, advice on life and legacy, cultural debates about hip hop or Michael Jackson, or simply wanted to laugh along with some of the best in the game—this episode delivers. The chemistry between the hosts shines, making even the wildest topics feel like a conversation you’re glad to be part of.

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Transcript

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[ISO Joe]

Hey,

[Joe Johnson]

what, sir, what rent? What is this?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Those are hot dog french fries. Those are actual hot dogs cut into shoestring french fries.

[ISO Joe]

I like that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

You know that's. Oo.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, I'm good, bro.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, that's me. Hey, that's me all day.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, you see.

[ISO Joe]

Oh, yeah. Yes, sir, that's me.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on now. I try that though, uncle. I ain't gonna lie to you.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah. Hey, I don't need no ranch.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's a hot dog Joe cut into.

[Joe Johnson]

I. I tried. Listen, I tried.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm glad you say you tried, but because when we go on this road show and we adventure and we trying it, I want to hear that same thing. I tried. That's what I want to hear. This lady, I got them onions cut down. Got that thing stewed out of there. Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, I'mma swallow that thing.

[Joe Johnson]

Come on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's too much. Come on now.

[ISO Joe]

Whoa. Oh, my bad, Paul.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on. We gonna go back. Hey, Joe, I want you to have that same type of energy when we go. Oh, oh, Lord have mercy.

[ISO Joe]

My bad, my bad, my bad. One thinking. My bad.

[Joe Johnson]

You know, he number one on the list now a lot. Don't really surprise me no more. When he say something, I kind of, you know, I kind of expect it. So, you know, you know.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, hey, Joe. I would talk about. I would talk about what he would. I mean, the food that the lady gonna be making. I mean, swallow it like, I mean, that's what I meant. I didn't mean like. I ain't mean.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Don't, don't do that.

[Joe Johnson]

Don't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Don't. We swallowed it. We swallowed nothing. Ocho. We're gonna chew it.

[ISO Joe]

Okay, but when you chew it, then what do you do after you chew

[Chad Ochocinco]

it the way you said? That's you swallow first. Ah, come on now, Chad, he don't. Don't mean what he say. It's a little late on the east coast, so Just bear with me. Bear with it.

[ISO Joe]

My bad, my bad.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, Ocho. I don't know, Joe. I mean, a crispy hot dog.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I said I tried. I ain't saying I'm gonna sit here and eat the whole bucket right here, the whole head. But I'm gonna try it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Say try it. You'll eat one, you'll eat two, three.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, if they good, I might eat a couple, but I'm gonna try one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You eat the whole hat like you just said, you eat. I mean.

[ISO Joe]

I mean, all of them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, we already know you, Ocho.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, eating all them, boy. Hey, hey. Hot dogs are so.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, they're not.

[ISO Joe]

Hot dogs with a delicacy. You know, growing up, Joe, especially when my grandma had. When I had beanies and weenies.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe]

No, you got your baked beans.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, Grandma used to cut up the hot dog.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[ISO Joe]

Put a little. Put a little honey in there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, but you had a little more, you know, hot dogs and pork and beans.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I remember those days.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hot dog. But see, hot dogs. Do they still make hot dogs like, you get 50 hot dogs in the pack?

[ISO Joe]

50.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I know what he's talking about.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. And they came in the casing. So the hot dog was like the hot dogs. Now, I guess the Oscar Miles or something, you can just dump them in the boiling water. But that wasn't the case. Yeah, the hot dog used to come in a casing. Yeah, man, I don't know what y' all been. Man. See, Ocho, y' all been living how in the hall. You wasn't as bad off as I thought.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, I had Oscar Meyer.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, I didn't. I had a little bit I knew

[Chad Ochocinco]

was on Sesame street and he was in the trash can. That was the only Oscar. You would get those. It wasn't. Nobody baloney has a first name. It's O, S, C, A R

[Joe Johnson]

Oscar. The ground.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah. Hell no. The hot dog was Friday night. Oh, Lord, man. All right, all right. It's time to play or Fade. Presented by Prize Picks.

[Joe Johnson]

What we got? What we got?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't know about you. I'm just saying, we go any sporting event. You are not allowed to order no hot dog.

[ISO Joe]

Oh, well, I. I ain't going because I'm gonna get. I need my two hot dogs

[Chad Ochocinco]

and just eat them in the car before we get there.

[Joe Johnson]

All right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

A Jay Mitchell. He will have night. He'll have more points, rebounds and assists. 19 and a half. Will he have more or less than 19 and a half when you combine his points, rebounds, assist.

[Joe Johnson]

Man. Listen, Ocho, I'm gonna. I'm gonna have to take less on this one, guys. He been special. I know he. He averaged hell 22, 23 in the legacy Read. I think he gonna be coming off the bench. I think his minutes probably be a little different this time around. I don't. I. I know it's points, rebounds and assists. I don't see that. Basically, he got to get 20.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes. Points, rebound.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't see it. I'm saying less. I'm saying less. Hopefully he ain't watching and he give him an extra boost, but I'm saying less.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What you got on your. You got more or less?

[ISO Joe]

I got. I got. I got less. I got less, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Because they got guys that can defend, man.

[ISO Joe]

It's gonna be a lot different.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's not gonna get the same number of minutes that he got. That's what I'm saying. Okay, I'll go less.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Dylan Harper, 18 more than 18. Points, rebounds and assists.

[Joe Johnson]

Points, rebounds and assists and assist. I'm gonna say he gonna get it. You think he gonna get it, Uncle?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, no.

[Joe Johnson]

You say no. Points, rebound, assist, he gotta get. I don't know, man. That little joker there, boy,

[Chad Ochocinco]

You like him to get it, Ocho?

[Joe Johnson]

You say less?

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, I'm saying.

[Joe Johnson]

All right, we go less. We go let both of them come off the bench any damn way.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We say Jalen Williams more or less than 15 and a half points. More or less.

[Joe Johnson]

This one here it is because his ass he been out so damn long.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And plus, the thing is, Joe and Ocho, is he on a minutes restriction? 28 minutes. Because we do have Mitchell now, if that's the case, Not Mitchell. Look, more likely to get it than not. Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Basically gotta get 16. I'm gonna say he get it, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You think you'll have at least 16 points?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I think so. I hope so.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What you got? Oo

[Joe Johnson]

he ain't played. He ain't played in a minute. OO I ain't gonna lie to you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Towards. No.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn. So we got three in a row

[Chad Ochocinco]

under N. You went? Yeah, we went under. Okay, Stefan Castle. Five and a half field goals made. Will he have more or less than five field goals? 5 1/2 field goals made.

[ISO Joe]

Yes. Yes. Young bull, aggressive as hell.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I say. I say he. I. I give him that. I think he'd get six field goals.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I think so, too. $25 to win 150. Download the app today, use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first five dollar lineup. All right guys, it's time for our final save the evening. It's time for Q and A. Before we get to the super chat, we got three video voicemails from my discord. Let's take a listen. Ocho, ISO, I got a question.

[Joe Johnson]

Who do you think is the best NBA player that had never won a ring? Me personally, I think It's Westbrook. I'm 18.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I ain't really get to see all the OGs, but I got to see

[Joe Johnson]

Westbrook be a two time scoring champion. Three time assist leader, nine time all star. Nine time all NBA selection on the

[Chad Ochocinco]

first player to get four triple average and triple double in four different seasons.

[Joe Johnson]

What else he got? He's an MVP.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He got the most points as a

[ISO Joe]

point guard all the time.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He's got the most rebounds at the point guard of all time. He leads in triple doubles.

[Joe Johnson]

Like I just really think it's Westbrook

[Chad Ochocinco]

and it's probably more than I'm missing.

[Joe Johnson]

What do y' all think? I'm going.

[ISO Joe]

I like that.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm going. Steve Nash.

[ISO Joe]

Nah, hell no.

[Joe Johnson]

2 time MVP. Yeah, time MVP. And he, he had, he, he never won a ring. One of the greatest, one of the greatest point guards of all time. That's what I'm going with you taking

[Chad Ochocinco]

Steve Nash over AI,

[ISO Joe]

that was me. I was going Allen Iverson.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that's a good one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's a great one actually. James Harden, Charles Barkley, Carl Malone.

[ISO Joe]

I'm just sticking with Alan Iris. That was gonna be, that was.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh yeah, that's a good, that's a good one Ocho. That's a good one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Elgin Baylor is another one.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn. Well that's a good Barkley. Barkley a good one. Could have. He made it to the finals.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Look at Carl Malone, a two time league mvp. Made it to the finals twice.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. Just played against a monster.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's the problem. Rebounding champ.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, Karl Malone and Stockton. That's a good one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Imma go. I'm gonna go Chuck.

[Joe Johnson]

I see, I see the chat Chat got Dame lillard. Mellow.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

CP3.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, mellow, I think mellow. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and Penny because of injuries, you know. TMAX. Excuse me. TMac and TMac and Penny.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah,

[Joe Johnson]

they played on some hell of a team.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, here's our second one. Let's take a listen. Yo, what up Nightcap gang? Hey, look man, I need y' all to settle a debate for Me, I was at dinner with a couple of my mans a couple weeks ago and we was talking basketball and these fools had the nerve to say that SGA is the only player from the current NBA that you can drop in the 90s and he'll still be putting up the season the same numbers. And I think that's crazy. I mean, I think it's a few that you can do that with. I just don't feel like SGA is one of them, you know what I'm saying? I get it. The boy, nice, he can get to the MIDI whenever he want, you know what I'm saying? He can get to the cut, blah, blah, blah. But I feel like too much of his game is predicated on getting them, them weak ass calls from the refs. All that flopping and filling and flailing he'd be doing. So I'm curious as your thoughts, man. I know Unc. I know you the basketball history aficionado, Joe. I know you played the game. Ocho. I know you got that, that basketball knowledge. So chime in, man. Tell me what y' all think, man. Help me settle this debate. Appreciate y'. All.

[ISO Joe]

Yes. Hey, even, Even with the hand checking rule, there are a few players in every era where they would translate regardless of what area they're playing in based on their skill set and what they able to do.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, he's saying he's gonna be the exact same player in the the 90th as he of today.

[Joe Johnson]

I think, I think he'll still, I think he'll still average 30. Yeah, you gotta look, think about this. He ain't no high volume three point shooter like a lot of these guys are. Yeah, he'll shoot it, he'll shoot it. But his game is predicated in between what we call the midi, you know what I mean? Getting to the rack, obviously drawing fouls. I think he fit right in the 90s, bro. Yeah, it's a few guys in the NBA right now who you can drop in. I don't know why they think Braun won't dominate in the damn 90s. KD won't dominate. Man, please. Katie is dominating the 90s. Brunner dominating the 90s.

[Chad Ochocinco]

How you stop.

[ISO Joe]

You know what's funny?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I. I was trying to figure out how you stop it. The guy's seven foot tall and he's shooting the ball at the apex. So how you stop that?

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, what you're not. And hell, we talk about the 90s too now, Joe. You know, there's, there's maybe there's a select few players from the 90s that could. Whose game translate to this era too, now.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah, it'll be some guys getting money out there.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, for sure.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, Joe, you said he can get it done. I'm gonna take your word for it. You the NBA aficionado. You think he can still get that?

[ISO Joe]

Even with the handshake rule?

[Joe Johnson]

But yeah, I think I. I think he would. He. He just. Look, it's hard to even keep him in front of you, you know what I mean? That. That's what I go off of. Like when you talk about guys who play in isolation, guys who. Man, look, I ain't even studying the dude who guard me. I'm just worried about your damn help. Where the help gonna come from? Cause I know I'm gonna blow your doors off.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's over with.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm getting by you, period, point blank. And I think that's how Shay thinks. And when you watch him play, man, can't nobody stay in front of that, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I know he ain't gonna have that number when he played. When he played Detroit and the Knicks. Cause if you go down the line the first time, he ain't coming back down there no more.

[ISO Joe]

He gonna be on his head.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Now they ain't playing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now, like I said, you go down there, hey, you play the digs in Detroit.

[Joe Johnson]

But. But Uncle Ocho, them fouls, they like that in the 90s that are flagrant. You getting kicked out the game nowadays.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, but. But he. In the 90s. Ain't no flagrant.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, yeah, but I'm just saying. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Think about it, man. They ain't called no flagger. 5. When that man snatch a Kurt Rambis ass out there with Kevin McHale. Snatched his ass out the air,

[Joe Johnson]

you gonna taste it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who that went up? Larry Bird went up and. And then Bill Lambert formed him in the face, and Larry just went to wailing on him on the ground.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. No, no, no, no. There was some different type of filing back then, Boy, they proving a point. You think you finna come in, just score 10 in a row? Twist?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, they. They. They rarely threw somebody out of the game for fighting. Rarely? Yeah, rarely. Let's take a listen to the third one. What's up, nightcap fam Ash and staff O. Joe super freak. And I sold Joe the one and only. If you met another piece of. What's up, Unc? I know you got some contacts over the Laker organization. Get the word to Deandre Ayton tell her brother go ahead and get his cdls, man. It's over. He can b you the best truck driver up and down the 101. He can rock that chain all day, every day. Love y'. All.

[ISO Joe]

That's crazy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

God.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What?

[Joe Johnson]

These people don't play nowadays, boy. They don't miss nothing. That bear. Get a cdl.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Shout out to my daughter Leela on

[Announcer]

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Joe Johnson]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

did I search the Internet for answers to my cold sore problem? Now I'm stuck down a rabbit hole filled with images of alarmingly graphic sores in various stages of ooze. I can clear my search history, but I can never unsee that. Don't go down the rabbit hole.

[Joe Johnson]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

Healthcare just got less painful.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

We're lost and kickoff's coming up. I don't want to miss the lineup. I'm going to ask that man for directions. Hi there. We're trying to get to the stadium.

[Announcer]

Well, you're going to take a left at the old oak tree at this here road.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, I'm just kidding.

[Announcer]

Let me get my phone out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

How is there signal out here?

[Announcer]

T Mobile and US Cellular are coming together so the network out here is huge. We get the same great signal as the city, saving a boatload with benefits. And there's a five year price guarantee too. Okay, here's the turn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Actually, can you pull up the way to a T mobile store?

[Announcer]

America's best network just got Bigger Switch to T Mobile today and get built in benefits the other guys leave out. Plus our 5 year price guarantee and now T Mobile is available at US Cellular stores in hermiston Best Mobile Network based on analysis by OOKL of Speed test intelligence data. Second half of 2025 bigger network the combination of T Mobile's and US Cellular's network footprints will enhance the T Mobile network's coverage price guarantee on talk, text and data exclusions like taxes and fees apply. See t mobile.com for details. Support for the show comes from Public, the investing platform for those who take it seriously. On Public, you can build a multi asset portfolio of stocks, bonds, options, crypto and now generated assets which allow you to turn any idea into an investable index. With AI. It all starts with your prompt. From renewable energy companies with high free cash flow to semiconductor suppliers growing revenue over 20% year over year, you can literally type any prompt and put the AI to work. It screens thousands of stocks, builds a one of a kind index and lets you back test it against the S&P 500. Then you can invest in a few clicks. Generated assets are like ETFs with infinite possibilities, completely customizable and based on your thesis, not someone else's. Go to public.com podcast and earn an uncapped 1% bonus when you transfer your portfolio. That's public.com podcast paid for by Public Investing Brokerage Services by Open to the Public Investing Inc. Member FINRA and SIPC Advisory services by Public Advisors, llc. SEC Registered Advisor Generated Assets is an interactive analysis tool. Output is for informational purposes only and is not an investment recommendation or advice. Complete disclosures available at public.comdisclosures birthday tomorrow

[Chad Ochocinco]

May 18th third birthday I missed. Daddy misses and love you. I won't stop fighting. Timothy well happy birthday Leela. The seventh birthday May 18th I don't know what's going on so I I can't comment on that, but we want to wish you a happy birthday. And bro, you say you miss, you love her and don't stop fighting. Don't stop. Make sure.

[Joe Johnson]

There you go.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Don't miss the fourth. Can't do nothing about the three that you've missed, but make sure you don't miss the fourth. The Almighty Joachim Noah what's so good about Cleveland? I guess they go to the they're going to the Eastern Conference final. What's Cleveland known for? What's Cleveland's dish? What are they known for?

[Joe Johnson]

I don't even know Cleveland.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What y' all known for? Anybody from Cleveland that's in the chat.

[ISO Joe]

That's a good question.

[Joe Johnson]

It is.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, Cleveland has always been good to me. Anytime I went there, man.

[Joe Johnson]

They got casino in Cleveland.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, they got pierogi. What? They got pierogi. Polish food. So they. Oh, no, I know. I already know. I don't like it. I done gone this long, 58 years, they never had no pierogi. Yeah, I ain't missing nothing. What else they got? Oh, come on. Corned beef and pierogis.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man. Hey, what happened to Ojo?

[ISO Joe]

I'm right here.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Your camera.

[ISO Joe]

Oh, shoot.

[Chad Ochocinco]

The only time the Pistons got a lead was a three pointer 46 seconds into the game. That's it, man.

[Joe Johnson]

It was look by Jenkins.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep. I think that. Look, they picked the worst night to have their worst game, man. And this was for all the marbles to advance. And Cleveland played his best game. Joe. One team played the best. The other team, they got four guys that scored at least 20.

[Joe Johnson]

Think about the pistol.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Only one that was under 50 from the floor was Donovan. But Donovan didn't have any Turnovers. He had eight rebounds, seven assists.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I think James was under 50%.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think one of four guys that had that had 20 points.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, right. I, I, hey, look, I think with, with the Pistons, hell, they played 14 games in two series, two game sevens. They look, they look, they look beat up and wore down to me. Fellas, in that game seven, I'm be honest with you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So, yeah, Jared Allen had 23, he was 8 or 14. Evan Mobile had 21, he was 7 to 10. Donna was had 26, he was 10 of 22. And Meryl had 23, he was 7 to 10. So, yeah, shout out to the land. Next stop, New York. And Sam Merrill had 50 Cal tonight and couldn't miss from 3. Hey, he picked the best. He picked the right time to have his best game of the series, you know? What was that? Game five. Joe Strews.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Came off the bench.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Knocked down. Boom, boom, boom. Now what's, what happened? Game seven, Merle comes off the bench. Boom, boom, boom.

[ISO Joe]

Going crazy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Hey, after he took that charge and got plowed over, Merle, he started knocking down shots.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, talk your ish. Ocho, he's on a heater, man. Ocho got a couple right, man,

[ISO Joe]

here y' all go. Trying to discredit my ball.

[Joe Johnson]

Who is y'? All? I ain't even said nothing, bro.

[ISO Joe]

Okay, well, I'm trying to discredit my ball now. Listen, listen. Yeah, it's just I'm catching up, man. That's all that matter by the time we get to next year. And it's time to talk basketball. I'm gonna take all the conversations, okay? And that's gonna. Hey, that's gonna get real scary.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Chat. I know times are hard right now, are tough right now. And unfortunately, I have terrible news. The money printer that just knocked out of the playoff. No more free dirt and under bets on prize pick until next season. Big three. Y' all might think I'm delusional, but the NBA Youngboy is the goat. All I know, y' all probably don't listen to his music, so give me a top five best Lil Wayne songs. Oh,

[ISO Joe]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

It's Lil Wayne song.

[ISO Joe]

It's too many. What? Jesus. You got to go back to mixtape. Lil Wayne didn't talk about some of the albums he's dropped and that. That's something hard to go right off the top of the head and answer.

[Joe Johnson]

It's so many, bro. Too many.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Top five. Top five, Anybody. Any rapper so bad. I don't listen to rap like that anymore.

[Joe Johnson]

Go look. He got a song this back. This way, back when called Keisha.

[ISO Joe]

Oh, yeah. Remember Keisha? What?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. What you know about it?

[ISO Joe]

Hey, that. That's. That's. That's throwback boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, that I had a lot of. I think I was Find that. I think I was still in high school. Here.

[ISO Joe]

Let me see if I can find that.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on, bro. Look, I understand. Young boy is on top right now. He got it going on. But y' all need to stop this and. And look. And no more conversation. Ain't nobody close to Mike Joe. Oo. You know I've been sending y' all them clips. Ain't nobody touching Mike. Yeah, ain't nobody even close.

[Joe Johnson]

I know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ain't nobody close. Close. Not even close. Close. I'm talking about. That is the biggest gap between he and the next artist as opposed to anything, if you want to say. Let's just say for the sake of argument, you say Jordan is the goat. If you say baseball, whoever your goat is in baseball, whoever your goat is in football, whoever your goat is in basket and track and field. The gap between Michael Jackson and the next person is bigger than any gap and any other two. I died.

[Joe Johnson]

Even though, you know, even though Drake. I think Drake tied him for the most number ones.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Drake don't move the crowd like this, man.

[ISO Joe]

Here.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You saw them people.

[Joe Johnson]

I know it was. I mean, I. I get that. People famous.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's different. You got to realize when Michael was doing this, it might have been 4 billion people. There's another 4 billion people in the world. Not Joe. Hey, guess what? We gonna look up 30 years from now, it's gonna be 10, 12 billion people the world. You're like, hey, so somebody bigger than somebody got more poor than Drake.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And his videos, man, only do. Do they even do videos anymore? Ocho, you know what? It wasn't.

[Joe Johnson]

They weren't just regular videos.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They were stories.

[Joe Johnson]

They like. You know, it's like, led up to many movies almost. You know what I mean? Cause, boy, that one, we had that white suit on. And when he did that lean on that joint.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh,

[Joe Johnson]

hey, Joe, I can watch that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Boys, people don't. People don't realize, like, Michael. Michael could really, really sing. Go back and listen when he's singing the earth song, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

What's up?

[ISO Joe]

Well, you just.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You.

[ISO Joe]

You took me back in time, boy. I had to crank up that goddamn Keisha. The hot boys.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, did you?

[ISO Joe]

And I had. I had to go back. Boy, you go back. Good a. Good memories, boy. Good memories.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, you right, though, mj.

[Chad Ochocinco]

A bad boy. Look at y' all looking. See y' all looking at. Like if y' all looking at Grammys. Somebody won Grammys. This guy got more Grammys. You tell me the person that has a bigger impact in music than Michael Jackson,

[Joe Johnson]

it ain't one. You know why? Not only was he cold, but, hell, Michael Jackson thought he was a mini gangster. He thought he was a little gangster. You look at all his videos because he have all them old gangsters and mob guys in there. Man, this used to be hard.

[ISO Joe]

I don't. I don't think. I don't think people today, they don't want to.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They don't.

[ISO Joe]

Because they weren't. They weren't around during those times. Don't understand how big he was. It's. It's different. There's levels to everything. The standard on impact and cultural. Cultural difference that they've made not just here in the States, but globally.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe]

Mike is on a completely different level. That. That doesn't take anything away from Beyonce or Chris Brown or what Drake is doing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

There's levels to levels. Levels. Boy, look here. That glove. Who wore that glove? Drake just put on his iceman. Who wore the glove?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Dressing like when you do Halloween, they still wear the red jacket.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They still wear the high water shoes with the two. The white tube socks and the penny loafers.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes, sir.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They got a whole play out here with a. About Michael Jackson. Like I said, if you didn't live. If you. You didn't live through it. The 80s in the early 90s, you. You have no idea. You have no idea. People spend money and would miss the concert because they passed out.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[ISO Joe]

Bad.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Do you feel. Do you still feel like it's debatable if Kobe top 10 ever? It hurts so bad. He's no longer here to defend himself. I would give anything to see you have to debate him face to face. Kobe wouldn't debate. And there's nothing to defend because Kobe's already did what he did. You see, that's the thing. And we talk about this once you're done, you can't add. So whatever place he's at, whatever you had him at, if you had him in the top five, he's got to stay. I mean, how. How does he. How does he go? How does he go? How does he move up? If you had him at. I mean, a lot of people had him at 9, 10. How does he move up from there, Joe? Because the people that you had in front of him, they didn't get any more stats. He didn't add any more stats. So I'm just trying to figure out how. It's like what we talk about oo at the. the combine. Guy ain't played a game in three months and he's sliding up and down the draft board. How. What did he do from his last bowl game and between the time then the combine. So he played his last bowl game in January. The combine is in late favor. So he ain't did nothing in six weeks. Some guys ended the season way before that. So some guys ain't did anything in two months. And you say, well, he's. He's moving up the draft boards. Doing what?

[ISO Joe]

Right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

The only thing I said, Kobe is great, historically great. But y' all need to go back and get some of these YouTube videos when people were talking about Kobe when he was playing, and they don't speak about Kobe in the glowing terms that they do now. That's all I've ever said. I remember Joe, you remember when he had that 31 lead and to prove a point, he wouldn't shoot the ball and they lost it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's all I've ever said is that people spoke. Speak differently about Kobe now because of the tragic passing. They didn't speak about him in the glowing terms. And I use the example of Dr. King. I use the example of Muhammad Ali. Now I'm not saying he those type because they. They. They're on a platform because of what they did to. For the entire, you know, they tried to make the world a better place, but especially for the underserved. That's it. And y' all know it. Go back and pull the. It's on YouTube and look at some of the analysts that speak so glowing about it now, that didn't speak in those same terms. That's it. But I don't know how Kobe. I don't know how you, you move him up. How does he move up? So who drops? So let's just say when Kobe. When Kobe. Last game you had Kobe in the top 10. You had him at 8, 9. So who, who, who did he surpass? He hadn't shot another. He ain't made another game winning shot. He hadn't won another championship. Another mvp, another finals mvp. So my question is, so who did he pass? No, but, but Kobe. Look, I met Kobe. I saw him at an event. I think the event was for Quincy Jones, if I'm not mistaken. And you talk to him for just a little while and you see how he's wired. And you see because I'm talking to him and I'm like, bro, you don't. You don't even look like you seem like you miss it. He said, I don't. He said, I gave that game everything. He said, I got a new focus and a new passion and I give this game everything. And he. The movies, that's his. And that's what, that's how you become really good at two things. Ocho Joe is that you take that same unbridled passion and discipline and dedication. I guarantee you to get into the movies and the right scripts and to do all the stuff he was doing. He had that same burning desire. Man, it's hard to try to be good. It's hard to be good at. To be great at one thing and say, you know what? This really ain't what I do. So I'm okay being average. It worked like that.

[Joe Johnson]

Hell no, it won't ever.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You look at Michael Jordan, he great in basketball and what he do in. In nascar. He said, nah, y' all gonna put this thing on level playing field. I'm tired of y' all beat my damn minds out. Go fishing. What he do? Bought that big ass boat. He said, no, we gonna be this thing gonna be fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Y', all not that y'. All. Y' all just think cuz I was a great basketball player. No, I want to be a great at everything I do. And guess what? I got that same passion I'm gonna find the best players. I might not be able to pull this big ass fish in. But guess what? I'm gonna find some mo fos that can. I can't drive. I can't get my big ass in this little car. But guess what? Tyler Reddick, do your thing.

[Joe Johnson]

That Jordan brand, bro.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And so it's hard. Magic. Look at magic. Everything. You can't. It's hard. I don't know anybody that cares. O Jojo, that was great at one thing and said, I'm gonna do something else and say, nah, I'm cool. Hey, if I don't win, I'm cool. If I don't do.

[Joe Johnson]

Think about it, bro. Think about Jordan, though. He took that from basketball to damn golf to nascar. Hell, at one point, I know he was racing motorcycles, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

They said, man, Jordan riding through the city. He told the story that when he first. He have no gloves, he have no helmet or nothing. He said the biker boys in Chicago said, man, at least get a helmet and some gloves. Yeah, you probably shouldn't be doing this, but if you go do it, at least get a helmet and some gloves. Can you ride the motorcycle in Chicago at 100, 120, 130? Ocho Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Do you know how fast 100 plus miles an hour is on a motorcycle?

[ISO Joe]

On a bike? Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh,

[ISO Joe]

you know. You know, I got me. I got me a bike, bro. I don't. I don't even play like that, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

What kind of bike you got, Ocho?

[ISO Joe]

I ain't got nothing but a Honda. I ain't got nothing but a Honda, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

I gotta.

[ISO Joe]

I ain't doing nothing. I ain't doing nothing Crazy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, me neither. I gotta triumph. I gotta. Okay, I gotta scramble a Triumph and I'm. I'm cruising. I ain't. I don't get nowhere near the hunted.

[ISO Joe]

No, Joe. I might. I might hit 70, 80 miles per hour every blue moon.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. And I stay my ass. I stay my ass off the freeway. I'm taking all the streets.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You need to get a group, Ocho. I mean, Joe, you need to get a group to ride with a group so a bigger y'. All. Cause you know, Atlanta, what we gonna do? The biker boys, man, they take the whole street. They take the whole intersection. Well, damn.

[Joe Johnson]

What me, you and Ocho gonna do? We gonna start us up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, we not.

[Joe Johnson]

What you mean you ain't gonna ride with us?

[Chad Ochocinco]

They call it asphalt. It's your ass and it's your fault. I want no part of that.

[Joe Johnson]

We ain't gonna be doing nothing crazy. We just gonna be cruel.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Motorcycles. You know what the people that ride motorcycles are called? Organ donors. They love y'. All. They love to see y' all on them bikes. I want no part of no bike.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, Joe. You know what I want, Joe? I want a Harley Bagger or a Harley Street Glider, One of them.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, no, I don't want them. Big hit. That's why I want to try them. Ocho. I used to have a couple Harleys. I got rid of them. I want to try them. I want something I can, you know, something I can control. Handle them. Harley's heavy as hell.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, George. I want to put that 30 inch wheel on the front, Joe, and be riding through, you know, 40 miles an hour. Frankie Beverly and Mays playing.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay, okay.

[ISO Joe]

Isaac Hayes.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[ISO Joe]

Temptations.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I got you. I got you.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, I want to go to Daytona. They who? Who all got bite week? Daytona got one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

South Dakota got a black. Myrtle beach got one. Got one. Those are the three biggest.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, I. I want to hit. I want to hit. I want to hit them three. Them three bike events.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They're huge.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. I got something for you. I got something you can ride. I got a nice tripe.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I ride my car. I follow y'. All. Salute to y', all, you all. Can I get a birthday shout out for my daughter Myla, who turned one yesterday, and my wife Carla's birthday is Wednesday, celebrated at Disney World. Any Disney memories or favorite things to do?

[Joe Johnson]

Come on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No. Damn. Well, we ain't gonna. Damn Disney. We watched Disney every Sunday night when it came old. Yeah, that was my meal.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Watching it. But before we go, happy birthday, Myla. And happy birthday, Carla. One turned one yesterday, one's gonna celebrate on Wednesday. But happy birthday to the. To the birthday girls. Hopefully, you guys. Disney was fun. I'm sure she. I don't know how much she'll remember, but when you show a picture, she's like, yeah, I do remember. I went there. You'll have to take her back when she's probably about three or four, so she can really remember and get an opportunity to take her with Snow White and everybody and all those fun characters, but happy birthday to the birthday girls.

[Announcer]

Everybody knows Shaq, but off camera, he's

[Chad Ochocinco]

just a regular guy.

[Joe Johnson]

People never believe me when I say I'm just like them.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I take out the trash, do dishes,

[Joe Johnson]

and I struggle with moderate obstructive sleep apnea, or osa. And a lot of adults with obesity also struggle with moderate to severe OSA Y. You know those scary breathing interruptions during sleep, the loud snoring, choking and daytime fatigue? I knew I had to talk to my doctor. Don't sleep on the symptoms. Learn more at don'tsleeponosa.com this information is

[Announcer]

provided by Lilly, a medicine company.

[Joe Johnson]

Amazon Health AI presents Painful Thoughts why

[Chad Ochocinco]

did I search the Internet for answers to my cold sore problem? Now I'm stuck down a rabbit hole filled with images of alarmingly graphic sores in various stages of ooze. I can clear my search history, but I can never unsee that. Don't go down the rabbit hole.

[Joe Johnson]

Amazon Health AI gets you the right care fast.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Healthcare just got less painful.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

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[Chad Ochocinco]

We're lost and kickoff's coming up. I don't want to miss the lineup. I'm gonna ask that man for directions. Hi there. We're trying to get to the stadium.

[Announcer]

Well, you're going to take a left at the old oak tree at this here road.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nah, I'm just kidding.

[Announcer]

Let me get my phone out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

How is there signal out here?

[Announcer]

T Mobile and US Cellular are coming together so the network out here is huge. We get the same great signal as the city, saving a boatload with benefits. And there's a five year price guarantee too. Okay, here's the turn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Actually, can you pull up the way to a T Mobile store Store?

[Announcer]

America's best network just got bigger. Switch to T Mobile today and get built in benefits the other guys leave out. Plus our five year price guarantee. And now T Mobile is available at U S Cellular stores in hermiston. Best Mobile Network Based on analysis by Ooklo Speed test intelligence data second half of 2025 bigger network the combination of T Mobile's and US Cellular's network footprints will enhance the T Mobile network's coverage price guarantee on talk text and data exclusions like taxes and fees apply. See t mobile.com for details. Support for the show comes from public, the investing platform for those who take it seriously. On public you can build a multi asset portfolio of stocks, bonds, options, crypto and now generated assets which allow you to turn any idea into an investable index with AI. It all starts with your prompt. From renewable energy companies with high free cash flow to semiconductor suppliers growing revenue over 20% year over year, you can literally type any prompt and put the AI to work. It screens the thousands of stocks, builds a one of a kind index and lets you back test it against the S P500. Then you can invest in a few clicks. Generated assets are like ETFs with infinite possibilities, completely customizable and based on your thesis, not someone else's. Go to public.com podcast and earn an uncapped 1% bonus when you transfer your portfolio. That's public.com podcast paid for by Public Investing Brokerage Services by Open to the Public Investing Inc. Member FINRA and SIPC Advisory services by Public Investment Advisors llc. SEC Registered Advisor. Generated assets is an interactive analysis tool. Output is for informational purposes only and is not an investment recommendation or advice. Complete Disclosures available at public.comdisclosures

[Chad Ochocinco]

Detroit needs some shooters and Thompson got to work on scoring. No, he got to work on shooting.

[Joe Johnson]

He do see how they were guarding them. Hey look, he caught the ball, the three point line. His man didn't barely left the paint. He just looked at him and turned around. Yeah, they may even draw iron.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn. Damn, Gigi and doses big three. Today was my mother Tina, aka Queen Tina's 65th birthday. She's a cancer survivor and the strongest woman I know. Can y' all shout her out please? Absolutely.

[ISO Joe]

Queen Tina, shout out Miss Tina.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Happy 65th. Hey, kick cancer.

[Joe Johnson]

Happy birthday. We love that man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What to be strong. What a fight. What to continue to fight. And you know what? Son is proud of you. Say you're the strongest woman he knows. Hey, because you kick cancer ass. We can't disagree. Happy 65th. Hey guys, great show. I know uncle is Larry Bird fan. If you had, if you had to make a starting five with all Celtics players, who would you pick? Bird. Russell bird. Russell bird. I'm thinking paul pierce.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Rondo

[Joe Johnson]

at the point.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep, Russell Bird.

[Joe Johnson]

Then you probably gonna go Rondo.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I do Kevin McHale, you know, and people like, well why you start? Havlicek. Havlicek came off the bench, so he'll be good coming off the bench. But they got, hey, you think about it. They got Havlicek, they got Dave Cowins, who won the mvp. They got Casey Jones, Sam Jones, Tom Heisen, Dennis Johnson, Nate Archibald.

[Joe Johnson]

They got some guys. Boy. Hey, hey, when I got drafted there. Uncle Ocho. I'm trying to give me a little small number here. All them damn numbers retired from zero, from zero through. I had to get number 31. I had to act like I, you know, I was a huge Reggie Miller fan. I'm like, I got. I guess I rolled with the 31. He never won no damn 31.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm gonna get. You know, I need Jason Tatum to give me a couple of more years. Y' all gotta realize. Y' all make it seem like them the guys that I put in there, some bums.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, they some dogs. What?

[Chad Ochocinco]

What? Havlicek?

[ISO Joe]

Eight.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, in the NBA Finals. Russell 11. And one in the NBA Finals. Bird got three.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm probably gonna go two.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Finals MVPs.

[Joe Johnson]

Probably gonna go KG over Mikhail. Mikhail, I probably would.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, man. KG ain't played but two years, three years at Joe. Daniel.

[Joe Johnson]

I know he demo. He was a monster, though. Okay, Ocho, he would. He was defensive player of the year that year. They had the best defense.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He was five years too late. He should have been. He and a problem. If you ask him, Joe, you asked him, honestly, he said, yeah, I probably should have left earlier. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

He probably could have got at least two, three rings. Hell, if he had, he left early.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep. I agree. Oo. If you bet during these playoffs, you would be a rich man. Gotta give it to you. We would just call it beginners. Look, but Detroit play. But Detroit played like ish. They did.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And when you play like ish and the other team plays really well, that's what you're going home. And you're going home. Say, what makes it so bad, guys? This happened in your building, see? Oh, yeah. You talked about in football. That's why I like to play the game on the road. See if you lose. Okay, fine. But just think about it. You got 20,000 fans and you.

[Joe Johnson]

And that pressure just mounts.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Boys, once you get down. 10, 15. I think you see fa 10. Okay, we cut it to 8. Go back to 14. We cut it tonight.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

20, 25. Oh, Lord. It's over. It's over.

[Joe Johnson]

Fact.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It's over. It's over. TS Car Wash Detail Service ISO been wrong all playoffs. Jalen Durant was basically a mannequin these playoffs. He was he fit.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you're right. You're right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He really had Joe. He really had. Two good games in the playoffs in 14 games.

[Joe Johnson]

One against game six, one against Orlando.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Seven against. Against Orlando.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, you're right. You're right. Hey, hey, hey. I fess Up. I. I told you, I've been picking with my heart. I've been picking. You know, I'm riding to the wheels. Fall off with them Hawks. You know, obviously we. We were a bit disappointed, but

[Chad Ochocinco]

damn,

[Joe Johnson]

I expected Detroit to do something.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Shout out all the real nightcap, tell Amazon to get a new name, love the show.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I'll be checking, right? That's all they talk about. Nightcap after the show. I'm thinking we ain't coming on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We coming on, but it ain't y'. All. But when you Google it, they know. Hey, Google know who the real nightcap is, right?

[ISO Joe]

We pop up first.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Absolutely. I'm gonna need Ocho to stop saying he don't know basketball because he knows what he's talking about. Nah, we'll leave it like that.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, Lucky?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ojo, what are you talking about? You picked the Wolves versus the Spurs. You picked the Nuggets versus the Timberwolves after game one. How you let him say this, man? Let the man. Let the man have his moment, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, yeah, the man. Listen, listen. The man don't win in much here. I mean, you know. Yeah, man, let the man shine a little bit.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, what.

[ISO Joe]

Y' all. Don't be mad. Y' all ball knowledge ain't like mine. That ain't my fault.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Huh?

[ISO Joe]

That ain't my fault. You keep, you keep. Hey, Joe, you keep studying the game, uncle. You keep studying the game. One day y' all get where I'm at.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I need you to acknowledge that MJ is the all time leader in a single, is steals and total rebounds.

[Joe Johnson]

In what?

[Chad Ochocinco]

In.

[Joe Johnson]

At.

[Chad Ochocinco]

At the Bulls.

[Joe Johnson]

MJ is for the Bulls. He is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised in points, obviously. I'm not surprised in steals, obviously. No, because he had a. He had a what? 84, 85, 86. So he had like a three year head start on Pip. So I'm not, I'm not surprised by that. I am surprised in rebounds, in the assist. Yeah, but you got to realize, yeah. In the triangle offense, the point guard, that really. I mean, it's ball movie. So you really ain't nobody averaging, you know, double figures and assistance. If you look at, if you look at the way the triangle offense, you might have a couple of guys with around four or five, six.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I think that was. But before Phil was there, hell, he was. He was a one man show.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Oh, he was getting major.

[Joe Johnson]

Before field got. Yeah, yeah. Oh, before field got there, it was get a ball to mj.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Get your Ass out of the way with Kevin. I think the Kevin. Kevin Lockery. I think Kevin Locker might have been his first head coach. Then he had Doug Collins.

[Joe Johnson]

Doug. Yeah, yeah,

[Chad Ochocinco]

yeah, yeah. But I mean, like I said, I'm surprised about the rebounds, but I'm trying to think. Robin only played three years. I'm trying to think what big that they had that played a number of years. I don't think Artis Gilmore. I think Artis Gilmore was probably on his last leg. Dave Corzine, Weddington, Bill Cartwright, they didn't really play long enough, so.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But we know Jordan. Jordan was that guy.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cameron Thompson, Ja Ant. Jane Roy, pj. Miles Turner. Wolves need what he's saying they need. They need. Need to put Ja Ant man. Jaden Rui and. And Miles Turner.

[Joe Johnson]

They need to go get Rui.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Really gonna make some money. Ain't gonna be shot 57 from the three.

[Joe Johnson]

I know, but they ain't gonna be able to go. They ain't gonna be able to get Rua here. You got McDaniels, Ant, man. I mean, really gonna get paid, too. I don't know if the Lakers gonna

[Chad Ochocinco]

be able to keep. I think they will be.

[ISO Joe]

Nope. Because they're not gonna be able to pay Ruby and pay goddamn Austin Reeves Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We know how influential Uncle Luke is to hip hop. How influential is he to Miami? How influential. Influential was Uncle Luke in your life? If he was

[ISO Joe]

obviously Uncle Luke at that time, you know, he had. He had a really good run with two lab crews during those. During those days, those early days. Obviously, Grandma kept me away from that kind of music, but I did. Yeah, I understood exactly what Uncle Luke meant to not just myself, but. But for us down here in Miami right now, if I'm not mistaken. I think. Yeah, I think. Yeah. I think Luke is running for Congress, if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. Running for a position in Congress. Exactly what position that it is, I'm not sure. I see Luke damn there every night at the cigar bar. We go to the same cigar. Cigar bar right here in Pimper Pines called Fish. So I see him every night.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Take that dude Brown. I mean, Luke. I mean, so you got Luke, obviously. We got Trick Daddy. You got JT Money Ross. Ross, yeah. Trina. Yeah, yeah, right here. Hey, Luke had everybody in the uproar got with 2 live crew, came out with that cover. And them girls out there that. Hey, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Shake what your mama gave y'. All. Come on, come on, come on.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, I remember them videos used to come on After Dark, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, king ISO. And Mr. Oh, my goodness. What has been your favorite, your. Your funniest moment? Mine has been the Haitian dude. Ocho. Girlfriend mangled and tangled.

[Joe Johnson]

Don't. Don't not take that. Don't not take that.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, you see. See what happened? See, I, I, I, I, I put myself in a vulnerable position, and, you know, a lot of people love to play. Love to play life, Uncle Joe. Like, everything is a win. Like, they always on top of everything. Like, they never took losses. You know, they ain't never been in. In, In. In vulnerable situations. I choose to be vulnerable. And y' all take my vulnerability and choose to make jokes and laugh out of.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, nah, nah, we ain't doing that. Oo.

[ISO Joe]

You just said there never been nothing funnier than that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

God damn, Joe. It's.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, it's the antics that un was doing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, Chad, y' all see how. Y' all see how I saw to try to put that off on me?

[ISO Joe]

Hey, but listen, I. Listen, hey, Joe, every so time, you know, the rabbit got the gun, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe]

You know?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe]

You know, because listen, he got me, you know, I done got people, and I didn't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Got.

[ISO Joe]

Got.

[Chad Ochocinco]

There you go. That's it.

[ISO Joe]

That's the game.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, it is.

[ISO Joe]

It's been like that, you know, so,

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, you win some, man, you lose some. You lose.

[Joe Johnson]

Hello. But you live. Yeah, you live to fight another day.

[ISO Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Huh.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who's worse at taking accountability? A woman who knows she's wrong or an ISO. What?

[Joe Johnson]

How I get in.

[Chad Ochocinco]

This ain't.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, but hold up, though, boy. A woman. A woman ain't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, it's hard.

[Joe Johnson]

It's hard to get a woman to fence up and say she were wrong.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah,

[Joe Johnson]

yeah, we. We know that, but I. I take accountability,

[Chad Ochocinco]

but I don't get. They want me to take accountability, but when I'm right. Oh, we. We knew. Everybody knew that. Me, this was back in October. I told him about the. The Brown situation, aj. Oh, you just making it up. You don't know what's in that locker room. You don't know that. Ultra in November now. Oh, we been knew that. No, you did. That's not what y' all said,

[Joe Johnson]

right?

[ISO Joe]

Nope. Sure ain't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So y' all want people to take accountability, but y' all won't take no accountability. Damn. Say hey when I'm wrong. Hey, hey, that guy. Hey. But I look at a pattern of behavior.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I said, the guy won. This guy. I said, think about this. Think about this. I Say chat. And I tried to explain. I said, look at this. The guy won the Super Bowl. He caught a touchdown in the Super Bowl. They were winning on their way to the way to the Super Bowl. Ocho. What was he doing on the sideline?

[ISO Joe]

Hey, what was the name of the book again?

[Joe Johnson]

Hilarious.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think that's what it was. Who y' all got more confidence in? Harden not crumpling in the postseason, shooting his team in the foot, or the Bengals winning the super bowl before the Ravens?

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, that ain't Bingo's. Win no Super Bowl. They ain't happening. Let's be. Let's keep it 100 now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Let's.

[Joe Johnson]

Let's. Let's be for real.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We won't be able to hear the end of that, Joe. Oh, my goodness. This man come on here, playing mariachi music and all. Kind man, hell no.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, hey. It'll be the running of the Bulls. Be a parade.

[Chad Ochocinco]

OO is a guy. You can't. You see how he acted? He got a couple of games wrong, and now he want to start the show. He want to do. Oh, whoa, whoa.

[ISO Joe]

I got a couple of games wrong.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Games. Right.

[ISO Joe]

Okay, thank you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Got a couple of games right. So you see how you behaving, boy? You let. Joe. You ain't never seen that joke with that. With the Bengals win. What I did.

[ISO Joe]

Hey,

[Joe Johnson]

I seen them on here crying when they lose.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. I said, oh, Joe, I don't. I'm rooting against yours.

[ISO Joe]

I would hurt. Hey, that's. Hey, Joe. That's how. You know how much it means to me, Joe. I was on the same crying like. See, I've had. I had many times on this show where I've been in a vulnerable state, Joe. You know, where I told a story about, you know, my girl when I was a freshman. I ain't had no business dating no senior. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe]

I mean, the bank was lost, and I had my hopes up. I'm on here crying.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe]

You know, all my relationships are lived out publicly because I don't have nothing, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe]

None. You know, and it's just. I know. You know, it's just sometimes I'm one of the few where I have no problem losing publicly. I have no problem, you know, but when I'm winning, I'm gonna win publicly, too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Joe Johnson]

Right. I got you.

[ISO Joe]

I'm human.

[Joe Johnson]

Understood. Understood.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, would you still give your daughter fried catfish, spaghetti, cornbread, and sweet tea in a foam cup? Nixon. Fine. Ocho. Let's understand it. The. The. The big weddings, like, 75, 80% of the time ending divorce.

[ISO Joe]

Oh, yeah. Hey. Because they. Oh, you heard what you just said. Big weddings. They about aesthetics. Huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

And that's what I'm saying.

[ISO Joe]

They about. They're not. They're about the wedding, they're not about marriage. There's a difference. You got to be able to tell the difference between the two. Some people want a wedding, some people want a marriage. They. The wet people that want weddings. Big weddings. They worry about aesthetics.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nope.

[ISO Joe]

It's being beautiful. They don't understand what it entails to actually be married. And I'm the one that. Listen, this is the right message just coming from the wrong goddamn message. But still. But. But still, you know? But marriage is hard.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hell yeah, man.

[ISO Joe]

It's hard.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think people think you get married, everything all you. You're not going to argue anymore. Everything's going to be okay. No, no. My thing is what I told my daughter. I said, why would you want this big expensive wedding? Why not take this money and put towards the down payment on the house? Why not get to get a head life? Come on now.

[ISO Joe]

Talk to talk now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, man. He's been. Bro, I'm just trying to be practical. Is that. Yeah, I still help my kids out. They're grown, but they know if they need it, absolutely gotta have it. Okay. Yeah. But I'm here. Okay. What are you doing? You exhausted? Have you done this? You do X, Y and Z that?

[Joe Johnson]

I've tried everywhere you go.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, and Joe. I'm willing to help anybody, Joe. My kids, people on the outside, you know, family. But if you're not trying, if you're not doing nothing, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

That's what I'm saying, bro.

[ISO Joe]

Uncle. If you're not doing nothing, if you're not even trying, you always got an excuse, this and that. I can't. I can't. I'm not doing nothing.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, that's. I think that that's the biggest thing for me. It's some damn excuses, bro. I can't deal with no damn excuses, man.

[ISO Joe]

I'm. I'm good.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I mean, I like the thing. I gave you a head start. You got no college debt. You had no car payment. You had nothing. Just get a job.

[ISO Joe]

That's it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And for the most part, hell, I paid the first two years for your apartment. You ain't got no bills.

[Joe Johnson]

Well, listen, I can't.

[ISO Joe]

I can't deal with.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But you know, the thing is they. They. Look, I got great kids. They haven't given me any problems. They still. They still respectful, you know, I Check in from time to time. Their mom a. What's going on? Cause, you know, for the most part, you know, they. You know, they. They like, okay, Daddy gonna help me. But, you know, a lot of times they won't help. But they don't want to hear. They don't want to hear me. They don't want to hear me be.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, they know what's coming at you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Exactly. So they don't want to hear that. So they don't really tell me. So their mom. Their mom will call it, like, okay, you talk to such and such. Nah.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What's going on? Well, I'm. You ain't here for me. Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So they. When they finally do call, I said that what I do like my grandma used to do. So. But look, I understand. And you know, it's tough. It's tough. I just say you got to be smart now. I say if I'm working as hard. You got to work just as hard as me now. You can't be working. I can't be the hardest worker and then helping support you. I need. I need.

[Joe Johnson]

And listen.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And I know I. I know you're capable of doing it. And we going to put our heads together. We going to figure this out, so. Oh, no, no, no. You know, hey, my son needed some. Needed some help this, this past summer. I took care of.

[Joe Johnson]

Listen, help is one. Help is one thing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

But if I rationalize with you, if I rationalize which. And you come to me talking about some. You need a thousand dollar for Airbnb for spring break. I'm trying to talk you off this cliff, man. Cause that ain't worth it. I'm keeping real. That ain't worth it, bro. And then the next week, you gonna need some more money because now you. You did. No. Yeah. Hell no.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But I know if they called me, I said, they don't got desperate. They don't got really desperate. But a lot of times. Let me see. Send me the bills. Send me.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'll let Shelly. Shelly pay it, because you're not. You're not gonna run the Okie doke on me.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, man.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, that's a good one. Hey, I need to try that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, y' all got 1500. Talking about you need 15,000.

[Joe Johnson]

Yes.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Send me the bill at first if you got to build that much. Damn. When was the last time you paid it? I'm surprised you still got a phone. I'm still. You guys, you got a house or a car.

[ISO Joe]

The hell.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But now they, they, they as they don't wait. That thing get too far gone now? Cause hell, if it get too far gone, ain't nothing I can do, right?

[ISO Joe]

Hey, you know, we. We family. I know, I know. I could. You speaking to Lynn stuff know. Get too far gone. Grandma, listen, we family. I could tell y'. All, God forgive me, Grandma, rest her soul, boy, if she knew how far n. It's. I'm not going. It's not my brother fault. He just didn't know. The house, Grandma house where I grew up, Uncle Joe was going up for auction May 15th.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Huh?

[ISO Joe]

It was going up for auction May 15th, so the people had to get a hold of me late, ask me how much the back taxes was on the house.

[Joe Johnson]

Emma, it had to be about.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, it ain't that much. It's probably. I would say, hey, my.

[ISO Joe]

My mama passed in 20, 21, so it hadn't been paid since. Give me a number. Give me.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, you ain't got. Here's the thing. There's no state taxes, so the property tax might be high. A hundred thousand?

[ISO Joe]

Nah, uncle had to pay 43, 000 before May 15.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's it.

[ISO Joe]

That's it. See, you know what? See what happened? See, that's why you can't talk to rich people. Hey, Joe, you see what I'm talking about? I had to pay 43, 000 in back tax. He talking about. That's it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Joe, will you tell him if you own a house, how much you got to pay in taxes?

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, you know, it's. It's high, but hey, hey. To catch you off guard like Ocho.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, hey, caught me off. Caught me completely. So that. That's 43. That's 43 coming out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I got this bill. I got this bill. I got this bill. I got this bill.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I ain't budget no 43.

[Joe Johnson]

Right, right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe]

And you know what make it even worse is I'm redoing grandma house right now. It ain't. It ain't nothing but a shell. They working on it. You think I'm gonna let that go? So I had no choice, but. Oh, absolutely not, man. Take. Take this.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Take this.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah, I make it up in another area.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, but that's the thing. No, no, no, no. Hey, but see, that's the thing, though. Ocho didn't let that thing go. I'm surprised. I'm surprised knowing who you up. But see, the thing is, they thought it was him.

[ISO Joe]

Him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

See if they know it was you. Yeah, they let it go even further, cuz, see, they got to get you in a position where you can't pay it, so then they come in and get it up off you.

[ISO Joe]

Oh, yeah, his name.

[Chad Ochocinco]

His.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, his name on it. So they know that, oh, he can't

[Chad Ochocinco]

afford this and had you not come in. They got to steal. They got a steal and end up selling the house for 4, 5, 6, $700,000.

[Joe Johnson]

Y.

[ISO Joe]

Absolutely.

[Joe Johnson]

Absolutely. Enough just to get their money back.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Get their money back. But they gonna take. That's how they do you.

[ISO Joe]

I know. I know they were.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I know they were sure, too, when they found out. When they found out you had sent that chicken or. Or the direct. Hey, hey.

[ISO Joe]

Went right down to the place. They. They called me. If they called me on a Monday by. When they got that cashier check on Tuesday. Man, don't play at my grandma house. Don't do that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You ain't got to tell. I know how they do you. And I. Man, I just brought. Why you let it get this far?

[ISO Joe]

I. I ain't even want to. I ain't even want to do that. I ain't want to do that because it was no point to have an argument about it with no point in having a conversation and creating unnecessary dialogue because it is what it is, and they got to get taken care of.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So they didn't send no bills to the house or nothing.

[ISO Joe]

I'm way. You know, I'm way out here. Way out here yonder. I called my brother, check on him, make sure everything.

[Joe Johnson]

Good.

[ISO Joe]

Boy, you good? You need anything, man? I'm good, man. I'm just working.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Boom. What about the mail, Chauncey? You know, Chelsea, you know. You know, taxes. I mean, even though ain't no state taxes, they still property taxes in Florida.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, don't worry about. I got. I got it now. I got it. I want that one thing. Hey, listen, what you get put in your name makes it. I am. I am. Make sure y' all come on down here, man. Come on down here, you know, have a little barbecue.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It didn't let you. That'll be your. It should have been in your name anyway. It's. When your grandma passed, it should have been in your name because now you get to write it off.

[ISO Joe]

Well, actually, my mama passed.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, when your mama passed, it should have been in your name. You should have went and got it in your name. You probably should have started talking to her about that beforehand and put it in your name.

[ISO Joe]

I would have probably got cussed out. But I understand what you're saying.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You paying the taxes on it anyway. Even when your mom was alive, you was paying the taxes on it, so you might as well write it off. Ocho, I am. No, I'm saying. I know you are now, but I'm saying that's what you. You should. But I talked to you offline. How the best way to go about it to make sure this doesn't happen again. And make sure, okay. Nobody come in and get it from you.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Kids are all at the game, and you are out there running around with no draws. All right? So make sure. OO got some layers on when y' all play one on one. Oh, if he comes into his head, it ain't got a crystal bourbon shape, you know, no more. We know why. Oh, yo, you too big for this, little man playing sports with no draws on.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, me, the football pants was, like, wearing tights.

[Joe Johnson]

That's out of control.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, I know, but I had. I had on what you call them up under there. Yeah.

[ISO Joe]

N. Oh, no, that's. That's too much. That's too much restriction, Joe. Why you laughing, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

I couldn't even imagine that, bro. I can't imagine that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, no. You know, I don't. I don't know everything but what I try to do. But what I do know and what I've been exposed to, I try to expose others to that. That. So they don't get in that situation. And so that's what I try to do. See, the problem is with y'. All. Y' all think y' all know everything and hadn't been exposed to anything and you don't know.

[Joe Johnson]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You do realize that once you become in a certain tax bracket and you meet certain people, certain people turn you on to certain things that I think this is the way you should do it. You look into it and says, okay. You ask your people, okay, fine. Or you get people that say, well, hey, this is what you need to do. You need to handle it like this. So therefore, if X, Y, and Z happen. X, there are protocols, there are steps. Yes. Because if something happened to me, I want it. Hey, ain't no discussion. Okay? This is where this goes. This is where that goes. This is where this goes. It's already settled. That's the way you do it.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah. And it's. It's so many loopholes, too. I know about most of the loopholes. That one I don't. I didn't. I didn't know about because I wasn't aware what was going on. Yeah, but as far as other things going on in life, Unc, so many Loopholes, when you know the right people in the way they do things.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Halliburton was injured. He was cooking okc. Let's stop that. Look, the thing is, I thought they did a very good job of neutral because I don't think Shea had the best series last year. Guys. They won. It had been very interesting. If Halliburton could stay healthy, we'll never know. We'll never. We'll. We'll never, never know. But do I expect Shay to. I mean, he could. He could. And they didn't really need to make the average 30 like he normally does during the regular season against the Lakers. They might need them to pick it up a little bit against San Antonio because they have an offense and they're a lot better defensively. So it's going to be very interesting to see how that. How this thing plays out. I'm excited to see. Well, we'll get a. We'll get. We'll get an early. Oh, no. They play two. What? They play Tuesday.

[Joe Johnson]

They play tomorrow.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, they play tomorrow. The Knicks. Knicks play to you. Right, right. So we'll.

[Joe Johnson]

We'll.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We'll. We'll see how this thing play out. It's gonna be a good. What time the game?

[ISO Joe]

Come on. Wait, who play tomorrow, Joe?

[Chad Ochocinco]

San Antonio and lbc.

[ISO Joe]

Damn, Already?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[ISO Joe]

They ain't getting boy, no time to rest.

[Joe Johnson]

They have had rest. Yeah,

[Chad Ochocinco]

yeah, they played. They.

[ISO Joe]

They just played two days ago.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Thursday. They played Friday night. Joe Ocho. So you had Saturday night. Sunday night, you back at it Monday. Think about Cleveland.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cleveland only gonna get Monday off. They play Sunday, right? Tuesday. Tuesday. My bad. Yes. Boy, these days becoming hell. I'm confused. I need to give me some days off. Ocho, ISO. Start cutting. Damn. Shocky. Dallas car crumpler.

[Joe Johnson]

Shocking. Dallas Clark.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, man. Oo. You got Chris Chambers, Santona Moss, Dwayne Bow. ISO. You got Rip Hamilton, Kmart, Jason Williams.

[Joe Johnson]

Which Jason Williams?

[ISO Joe]

White Chocolate?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, I think he mean the other Jason Williams. That was in Phoenix. Wasn't he in Phoenix or Golden State? Who? Jason Williams. Richardson.

[Joe Johnson]

You talking about Jason Richardson?

[Chad Ochocinco]

He.

[Joe Johnson]

That's who you talking about.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah,

[Joe Johnson]

yeah. Jason Richard played in Phoenix and Golden State, played in Orlando.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That.

[Joe Johnson]

Actually we in the same draft. We was in the same draft class 2001.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he went five.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All right, I'm gonna take. Okay, who I'm gonna start. But it's tough, man. Shaky. Had some years. Shaky. Got out the gate strong. I think I was dark. I'mma start Shocky. I'm a Bench crumpler. I'm cutting. Dallas Clark. Damn.

[ISO Joe]

Damn.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Gotta cut somebody.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, somebody.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who you got? Oh, Chris.

[Joe Johnson]

Neighbors.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Santana Moss, Dwayne Bo. Oh, man, that's easy.

[Joe Johnson]

No, it is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ben Chambers cut both,

[ISO Joe]

man. You can't cut my dog like that, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who? Man, that man had one season O Joe. You know it.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, hey. Chris Chambers was a monster in Miami, boy.

[Joe Johnson]

Hold on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Didn't he play. He played in the Chargers too, though, didn't he?

[ISO Joe]

He played at the Charges too. But I remember. I remember all them damn one handed catches. It would. We were the Dolphins. But tanning, man, Definitely starting, though. You did yours already.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Kenya Martin, Jason Richardson.

[Joe Johnson]

I'm a star. Kenya. Bench Rip.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn. You cut your class.

[Joe Johnson]

And that's my.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hey, hey. J.

[Joe Johnson]

Rich. My dog.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I can't tell.

[Joe Johnson]

I got the. Well, I got. Damn. I gotta cut some damn body here.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ocho. Me and you. ISO, dog. Boy, ain't no telling what's gonna happen to us. Shadow. What shirt that is you wearing?

[Joe Johnson]

They don't know nothing about their school days.

[ISO Joe]

That's school days. Wake up.

[Joe Johnson]

I got snuck into the movie theater to see that.

[ISO Joe]

That was a good movie, boy.

[Chad Ochocinco]

School days.

[ISO Joe]

That was a good day. Hey, hey, hey. Unc and Joe on Netflix. Y' all seen. It's called Nemesis.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I know, but telling me about it, I haven't seen it. It's good.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, hey, hey, Uncle Joe, you got. You got to see it.

[Joe Johnson]

I started watching it. It's funny. Ocho started watching it last night to watch me. Hell, it was watching me for before I knew it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Check it out. I like it, man. You gonna have the man. You're gonna have to get that. You're gonna have to get. Hey, you gotta watch.

[ISO Joe]

You gotta watch it. It's real nice chat. If you haven't seen Nemesis on Netflix, go check it out.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Cav's first final script is Troy palomalu at top 20. DB all time. Nightcap. Love y'.

[ISO Joe]

All.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Thank God. Together. Yes. Who. Who asked that? He's. He's talking about overall, when you combine safeties and corners. And I still think He's a top 20.

[ISO Joe]

Why would you. Why would you even combine both? He. The top three safety all time is.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Me personally. I got Ed Reed, Ronnie, Troy. But hey, yeah. People don't realize Rodney started out as a corner.

[ISO Joe]

Who Rodney?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Rodney Harrison.

[ISO Joe]

Oh, he did.

[Chad Ochocinco]

At that size,

[ISO Joe]

He could run.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think Ronnie had. Ronnie had like. Yeah, I think Ronnie had like eight picks. Yeah, Ronnie was. Ronnie started as a corner.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, Ronnie, he went to USC too.

[Chad Ochocinco]

All them Marcus.

[ISO Joe]

All them boys came from us.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Dennis Smith, Anthony Munoz, Chris. All them. Ross Brown. All of them. Yes. You know. Hey, you know who the db. What you call them? Jeff Fisher.

[ISO Joe]

What you talking about the head coach, Jeff Fisher from the title?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yep.

[ISO Joe]

What position Jeff played?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, hell, no.

[Joe Johnson]

He was good.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. He was a. Yeah, think about it. Dennis went for. Because that year. Dennis went first round, Ronnie went first round. Yeah, I think.

[Joe Johnson]

What year?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I think Munoz came out in 80, though. I think they were like. They were like fresh freshmen or sophomores when. When Munoz was a senior. But they got. They had a squad. They had a squad. Charles White. Charles White. Wonder Heisman. Because Ronnie was the fullback. Ronnie, Charles White, Lynn Kane, and Marcus Allen was the backfield. They were in the backfield. So Charles went to Heisman in 79, and then Ronnie. Then Marcus wins it in 81.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So Ronnie was a fullback, but Ronnie. Ronnie was Ronnie, not. Not Ronnie. Marcus. Marcus was a quarterback coming into college. He went to the same. He went to the. And Reggie Bush and Alex Smith went to the same. Alex Smith and Reggie was on the same team in high school, so I guess they were pretty good. Corey Johnson, man, y' all the whole other league with these AMGs and whatnot. I just ride on what, my 20. 2021 F250, man, I. I ain't got nothing new, bro. My car, 7, 13 years old. I ain't got, like, oo and Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Nah, I'm. I'm in a. I'm in a 20, 22, 20, 21.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on.

[ISO Joe]

I. I didn't mention anything about getting nothing new, though. I said I was trying to get something for someone else.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's.

[Joe Johnson]

Man, we just seen. You bought $700,000.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. You got a McLaren. What you talk. That was.

[ISO Joe]

That was last year.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, man,

[ISO Joe]

you talk about this year

[Chad Ochocinco]

now, people see what six fans been saying about Tobias Harris. Zero field goals made. Would it matter? You ain't lying. You ain't lying to me. The Cavs, Big gotta outplay Cat. OG and Robinson and Harden and Mitchell gotta get 50 and manageable turnovers. If they can do that, they got a good chance. Yeah, but I think. I think defensively, I think the Knicks might be better than Detroit, Joe. Because you look at their wings.

[Joe Johnson]

Do you really?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm looking at. I'm looking. Because here's the wing. Yeah, you look at. Yeah, you look. The question is, oh, gee, how soon to get back? But you look. I think Mikhail Bridges will probably start on. On Donovan. Or do you think Hart starts On Donovan and Mikhail starts on Harden.

[Joe Johnson]

Hell no. I think Heart gonna have to guard Mobley. Think so who else they gonna put on him? You got, you got Bridges, Hart, Brunson one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. And, and I guess the other guy. The other guy that started for og but he a guard.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. So you gonna have to put heart on Mobley.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, if that's the case, man. Hey, Mobley should average 30 and 10.

[Joe Johnson]

I mean, I ain't gonna go there, but I think he should be at least 22 and about 12. I'm saying in order for them to compete and really be in this series and have a chance to win, I, I, I agree. They bigs got to outplay Cat and Robinson, and I think they can do that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, they can do that. They talk about who Bronson going to guard. Probably Streuss or, or, Or.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Merle away.

[Joe Johnson]

Yep.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Somebody that's really, I mean, looking to shoot the ball. They're not going to post him up.

[Joe Johnson]

Boy, they gonna have hell on their hands, though. I'm talking about the, the, the Cavs and go. And Brunson, if you guarding him with Merle or, or Wade. Oh, man, that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Man, you better go crazy. Ocho, would you box Francis Ngannou for the Bengals to win the Super Bowl?

[ISO Joe]

Yeah. What you mean without boxing?

[Joe Johnson]

Man, get his ass whooped out there, man.

[ISO Joe]

That man put his pants on one leg at a time, just like me, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, I'll fit Mickey Mouse.

[ISO Joe]

No, it don't matter. It don't matter. Don't matter how they fit. He put his on the same way I do. And, you know, Yeah, I, I hope so. And what would James Harrison ass at? Because I'm still waiting. I'm gonna slap him as soon as I see him on site.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, man, keep that man name out

[Chad Ochocinco]

your mind for Saturday, July 11, World cup quarterfinals doubleheader into McGregor Holloway this summer will be fun.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, boy. Dana announced that. Hey, hey, hey, Unc. Let's go now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You want to go to the fight?

[ISO Joe]

Come on. If. What if there's one fight we need to be at, you know it's that one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. All right. We done?

[ISO Joe]

You know it's that one. Tell Dana I got. Hey, I got.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, I got my outfit already picked out.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah. Joe laid out like, when you going to high school? It's already Joe.

[ISO Joe]

I'm wearing all black Dickies, Joe. All black diggies with the crease.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Y' all see the promo commercial? ESPN a few days ago advertising Cal's Knicks to play game one tonight. It aired just before game six. We saw it.

[Joe Johnson]

We, I, I seen it too, but, but damn it, that ain't rigged, bro. Them boys got our play tonight.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah. Got their ass spanked. Like I said, they would give us

[Chad Ochocinco]

what you ate for breakfast and dinner in your prime and when you were cut up, oatmeal, egg whites. And then I would have protein shake. And then I would have lunch. I'd have eight ounces of, of chicken, turkey or filet with broccoli, green beans. Then I would have go home, eat basically the same thing. So if I had, if I had red meat, if I had a filet for lunch, I'd have chicken for dinner. If I had chicken for lunch, I'd have turkey or red meat for dinner. And then I have another program protein shake. That's why I said I can eat the same thing every day. I don't get, I don't get bored eating big 3K. We get a juicy J on one day. Can we talk Magic City? Yeah. I mean, I've been trying to go to, I've been trying to go to Magic, but you know. Oo Scared.

[ISO Joe]

Yeah. Magic who? Magic City.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[ISO Joe]

Oh, hey, Joe. I'm trying to see what the lemon pepper wings hitting on Joe. I, I keep hearing it from everybody else. I just want to see, that's all.

[Joe Johnson]

They like that. Well, you had your chance. You, you, you played.

[ISO Joe]

Hey, Joe. Hey, stop bringing that up, man. Before you make me, make me do something to you, hear me.

[Chad Ochocinco]

For at least one night during the finals. K, we need, we need glove and bread on at the same time.

[Joe Johnson]

Them boys are fools, ain't it?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Thunder.

[ISO Joe]

Up, up.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Drop 600 or my son to his first Thunder game for playoff game. SGA mvp. Enough said. Thunder and five.

[Joe Johnson]

Damn. Thunder and five,

[Chad Ochocinco]

man.

[Joe Johnson]

It's gonna be a good one. I can't wait.

[Chad Ochocinco]

By 5, I think it's going at least 6, Joe. Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That concludes this episode of Nightcap. The Cavaliers moved to the Eastern Conference finals to face the New York Knicks thanks to a. A 31 point victory, 125 to 94. Jared Allen had 21. Evan Mobley. Oh, excuse me. Jared Allen had 23. Evan Mobley had 21. Donovan Mitchell had 26. Sam Merrill had 23. Off the bench on 5 of 8 shooting from the 3 and they overwhelmed the Detroit Pistons. Nobody played particularly well. They didn't shoot well and they definitely did not defend well. And their, their great season 60 wins. The number one seed in the, in the east was not enough as they get sent home they going fishing. Y' all know who I am. I'm your favorite unc. That's my partner and co host, Liberty City's own Bingo Ring of Fame honoree. A former Pro bowl and an All Pro. That is Chad Ochocinko Johnson and the third member of the Big three seven time NBA All Star from the Atlanta Hawks, Arkansas University of Arkansas alum that is ISO Joe Johnson. Please make sure you hit that subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you guys. Thank you for your support and your continued support. Those looking to purchase a bottle of shade by Laportier head over to laportierconac.com if it's currently unavailable in a state or city near you. It's a premium VSOP Cognac, the best tasting, smoothest VSOP Cognac on the market. Please drink responsibly and stay safe. We've been nominated for four hashtag awards and in 2026 breast best branded partnership for Nightcap Outside with Row Best Podcast Best Athletes Podcast Best Use of Live Video Please the link is pinned in the chat. Please go vote for your your favorite trio. Thank you guys again for your support. We'll be back tomorrow after game one of the Western Conference Finals between the Thunder and the Spurs. Thank you guys for joining joining us. Peace.

[ISO Joe]

Let's go.

[Chad Ochocinco]

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