Nightcap - Hour 4: Nightcap LIVE from 2025 NFL Draft in Green Bay!

Summary

Club Shay Shay - Episode Summary: "Nightcap LIVE from 2025 NFL Draft in Green Bay!"

Release Date: April 25, 2025

In this electrifying episode of Club Shay Shay, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe, alongside host Ryan Seacrest and guest Chad Ochocinco, delves deep into the happenings of the 2025 NFL Draft live from Green Bay. The discussion primarily revolves around quarterback prospects, team strategies, and pivotal draft decisions that are set to shape the upcoming NFL season.

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1. Quarterback Prospects: Shador vs. Jackson Dart

The episode kicks off with an intense debate between Ryan Seacrest and Chad Ochocinco regarding the unexpected fall of quarterback Shador in the draft. Contrary to expert predictions, Shador slid out of the first round, sparking curiosity and concern among fans and analysts alike.

• Ryan Seacrest [05:25]: "I know there's no way to trade back into the first round if you're not selecting a quarterback."

• Chad Ochocinco [05:31]: "But is he the..."

The conversation highlights the potential reasons behind Shador's slide, including team needs and the performance evaluations at the combine.

Shador vs. Jackson Dart:

• Ryan Seacrest [06:55]: "They heard Shador was number two, Slaw number three, they had slaw number up... They gave up second round pick..."

• Chad Ochocinco [07:03]: "There’s nothing wrong with Jackson Dart, but come on now."

The duo examines Jackson Dart's rise as a formidable quarterback prospect, emphasizing his mobility and accuracy as key attributes that contributed to his first-round selection.

2. Team Strategies and Draft Needs

The hosts dissect the strategies of various teams, focusing on their draft needs and how their selections align with their long-term goals.

Baltimore Ravens:

• Ryan Seacrest [07:33]: "They better get it right. They just... they just better get it right."

• Chad Ochocinco [09:56]: "They picked Abdul Carter and traded up to select Jackson Dart."

The Ravens are praised for their defensive strength and strategic picks, aiming to bolster their lineup with key defensive players like Malachi Starks and Will Johnson.

Cleveland Browns:

• Ryan Seacrest [14:12]: "You can’t outscore everybody in this league. They have Bijan Robinson and Drake London."

The Browns are analyzed for their offensive prowess, particularly their running game, and discussions revolve around their need to address defensive gaps.

Philadelphia Eagles:

• Dante Hall [55:18]: "They have Lamar, Henry, Zay Flowers... they don’t need wide receivers."

The Eagles' focus on strengthening their defense is highlighted, with strategic picks aimed at enhancing their pass coverage and defensive line.

3. Key Draft Picks and Trades

The episode details several significant draft picks and trades that have major implications for the teams involved.

• Ryan Seacrest [23:53]: "With the 27th pick, the Baltimore Ravens select Malachi Starks."

• Dante Hall [24:37]: "They brought your Davious White back. He was injured."

The selection of Malachi Starks by the Ravens and the Ravens' decision to bring back Davious White are discussed as pivotal moves to strengthen their defense.

Notable Trades:

• Ryan Seacrest [43:18]: "They traded to Philly to get the person they want. They really can go anywhere, right, other than quarterback."

The strategic trading up by teams like the Eagles is examined, showcasing their intent to secure top-tier talent without compromising their draft capital.

4. Draft Analysis and Insights

Sharpe, Seacrest, and Ochocinco provide in-depth analysis of the draft trends, team needs, and potential future impacts of the selected players.

• Chad Ochocinco [08:28]: "Nobody needs a quarterback, so I'm thinking Steelers."

• Ryan Seacrest [10:24]: "Cleveland... Rams... they took steps."

The discussion covers how teams are balancing their offensive and defensive needs, with a noticeable trend towards strengthening defense in the later rounds.

Quarterback Confidence:

• Ryan Seacrest [60:42]: "You got to have confidence. You got to believe."

• Dante Hall [61:07]: "Your upside is you can wait two years and then you can move in and be comfortable."

The importance of quarterback confidence and adaptability within team systems is emphasized, highlighting the psychological aspects of drafting a quarterback.

5. Concluding Thoughts and Future Implications

As the draft progresses, the hosts reflect on the implications of the picks and what they mean for the upcoming NFL season.

• Ryan Seacrest [58:13]: "He's always been the guy. He's never been challenged."

• Chad Ochocinco [60:17]: "They know what we're doing."

The episode concludes with optimism about the draft selections, discussing how these new players could potentially fill critical gaps and lead their teams to success.

Notable Quotes

• Ryan Seacrest [05:25]: "I don't know if you trade back into the first round if you're not selecting a quarterback."

• Chad Ochocinco [07:03]: "But come on now, I mean come on now."

• Ryan Seacrest [10:05]: "Pretty good company. The third Ole Miss quarterback to be selected number one in the common draft..."

• Dante Hall [61:07]: "Your upside is you can wait two years and then you can move in and be comfortable."

• Ryan Seacrest [60:42]: "You got to have confidence. You got to believe."

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This episode offers a comprehensive analysis of the 2025 NFL Draft, providing listeners with expert insights into team strategies, player potentials, and the dynamic nature of professional football drafting. Shannon Sharpe's experience, combined with the hosts' enthusiasm, makes for an engaging and informative discussion that caters to both avid fans and casual listeners alike.

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[Chad Ochocinco]

But is he the.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It is. Wow. You didn't see his mom patting him on his back. She wasn't patented. Because he going in the second round. Right. Oh my goodness.

[Chad Ochocinco]

When did Cleveland pick again? Second round. Right?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Second round.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So that, that. Well, we'll get to see that to tomorrow.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh my goodness.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hey should do it like man, if I'd have known this, I'd have stayed in school another year.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh my goodness. But I can't believe they played like that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Kareem Br. I'm not, listen, I'm not surprised that they traded back in the first round.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'm surprised the choice they.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, but oo think about it. The last week we started hearing this that people had Jackson dart number two. They had slaw number three. They had slid what you call. Look, look what they got. Gave up second round pick. They gave up a third round pick and a 2026 third round pick.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That. It's confusing. I'm not sure what film they were watching. I'm not saying there's nothing, there's nothing wrong with Jackson Dark.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

But come on now, I mean come on now.

[Ryan Seacrest]

When you, it's kind of like when you look when you go to the grocery store, you got a list. You already know what you want. Yeah, they, they, they, they know the guy that they want. I'm a little surprised. I thought, I thought Shador played well enough. But hey.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They haven't got it right in a minute. They haven't, they haven't gotten it right since Eli.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, they better get it right. They just, they, they better get it right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Dante Hall]

Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Up. Wow. But you know the, the, the momentum has started to build by Shador possibly sliding out of the first round. We like, okay, he doesn't go in early, he doesn't go to Cleveland. They don't go to the Giants. It seemed like both of those teams had their mind made up had Cleveland not traded back. They were going to take Travis. Okay. They trade back, get the guy. They still get a great pick there and they pick up some draft capital along the way. Now the middle from 9, from 10 all the way to 21.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nobody need a quarterback. So I'm thinking, I'm thinking Steelers.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He doesn't go 21 to the Steelers. Nobody from 22 to 32 need a quarterback. So unless somebody trades back into the first round, Ocho, he gonna be a day two selection, right? All right. All right, guys, coming to the stage, selected number seven overall in 1988, Pro Football hall of Famer. 2025, my brother, Sterling Sharp. Give it up. Oh, again. But again back there, what do we got? Jackson Dart. The Giants traded back. They were, they were selected number three. They take Abdul Carter. They, they come back up into the first round of 26. They make the trade with the Houston Texas. They select Jackson Dart.

[Dante Hall]

Wow. That's, that's big. That's.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wow.

[Dante Hall]

So there's only two quarterbacks gone.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes. Yes. We knew Cam Ward was going number one. A lot of people thought should be number two. Yeah, but it's not. How high you go is where you go. He still has an opportunity to go to a great situation.

[Chad Ochocinco]

When you, when you look at it now, what's, what's, what? Other teams still need a quarterback. Cleveland.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Cleveland.

[Dante Hall]

Who else about la?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, the Rams.

[Dante Hall]

The Rams. I mean, yeah, yeah, he's got a year left.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's a good one.

[Ryan Seacrest]

They did take steps. And Bennett, I forgot about.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, I forgot. He started at usc. Jackson Dart started in usc.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay.

[Dante Hall]

Everybody that plays quarterback now started somewhere else.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, he does got, I mean, he got a lively arm. Okay.

[Dante Hall]

No, he played for Lane Kiffin, so.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He, he, oh, Lango did that.

[Dante Hall]

He can play the position. He's going to be able to play the position.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's one thing about Lane. He gonna dial it up now. Wow, what a throw.

[Dante Hall]

And you got a lot of control. Quarterbacks have a lot of control in his system too.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes.

[Dante Hall]

And he moves just good enough.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Wow.

[Dante Hall]

The catch, boy, huh?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Catch.

[Dante Hall]

What about the throw?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Good throw.

[Dante Hall]

Oh, what about the throw?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Pretty good company. The third Ole Miss quarterback to be selected number one in the common draft, Archie and Eli preceded him. Archie was the second pick in the draft. Eli was number one, and now we get 26.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I like it. I like it.

[Dante Hall]

Wow.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't know to me that that's your doors. Sanders, the neighbor just sounded much better.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, they did a job. Boy, I'll show you guys. Appreciate it.

[Dante Hall]

That is. Oh, wow.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What, you, you like the packers selection?

[Dante Hall]

I could say yes. I, I mean, I don't, I don't watch enough football to have an opinion. I mean, I, I, I don't watch football anymore, so I, I, if he's a receiver and he can catch, they got a good quarterback in Jordan that can throw it. I mean, he should Have De Ball.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Sees traits of Josh Allen and Jackson Dart.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Who said that?

[Ryan Seacrest]

The head coach.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on now.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Is that.

[Dante Hall]

Is that a compliment?

[Ryan Seacrest]

He was his OC.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

When he had that breakout season.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So the one thing we know. De Ball can coach now. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They say the same thing about Daniel Jones, too, didn't he?

[Ryan Seacrest]

No. What's he call him? He didn't. He wasn't the head coach with Daniel Jones, was he?

[Dante Hall]

Who?

[Ryan Seacrest]

He was the head coach, but I don't think he drafted him. Phil Sells, seventh. Philip Rivers, fourth. Daniel Jones, sixth.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Now, I can't believe that, man. That's crazy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I think the thing is, when you look at the Giants, the Giants said, look, they were going to take sh. They were going to take Travis or they going to take Abdul Carter.

[Dante Hall]

I.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And. Oh, the Falcons traded back in.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, they don't need a quarterback.

[Dante Hall]

Sure don't. No.

[Ryan Seacrest]

No.

[Dante Hall]

Hell no. Will.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Will Johnson. James Pierce Jr. Running back. Oh, Edge either. Edge. The. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I like it. I like it. That's a good selection.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Two. Two deep. They took two defensive players. They're like, look, we got to get better on that side of the football.

[Dante Hall]

They're like, I like our defensive coach.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes. But their problem was being able to stop people, you know?

[Dante Hall]

Exactly. No, you can't outscore everybody in this league.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know, they got Bijan Robinson.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

They got Drake London.

[Chad Ochocinco]

London got Kyle Pitts.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Kyle Pitts.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Mooney.

[Dante Hall]

Mooney's still there.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Look at what the Rams got. The Rams got. Got more for that pick than what the. What. What the Giants gave up.

[Dante Hall]

Wait, which one? They got a second round, a seventh round and a first this year.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Next. They got first. Yeah. Next year.

[Dante Hall]

I'm telling you, it's setting itself up for the Rams. I can see Shador with the. I mean, I know Matt. I'm not trying to get rid of Matt Stafford, but he can't play forever.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. You got to stay in the transition. That's what got. That's what got the. That's what got the Steelers in trouble. They let Ben down the line.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

If there's a quarterback you like, you take it. You take him a year or two early as opposed to letting your quarterback down the vine. That's what happened to Pittsburgh with Ben Rodgers.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. They let him stay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Stay too long.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Stay too long. And they've been. They ain't been able to find an answer yet.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Nope.

[Dante Hall]

He's long, too.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Who?

[Dante Hall]

I've seen more football sitting on this sofa than I have in the last five years.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He got the Al Wilson number 27 jersey on.

[Dante Hall]

I have never seen this much football in the last five years.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What Baltimore.

[Dante Hall]

If you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Baltimore, what you take it, what you need.

[Dante Hall]

Well, I. I thought it's not even what you need with Baltimore not remembering. Christian Watson was a little nicked. When I think acl. I thought they would have taken a receiver. I thought they were going to get the guy from Texas. Baltimore. I was not thinking that Green Bay. I was not thinking about Green Bay and Christian Watson situation. So I was like the kid from Texas, if he's there, which I thought he would have gone first.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I thought he was gonna hire. You remember Josh Jacobs?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Asking what he thought they needed. Caught some flack. He said, I think we need a number one. We need a dog.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Everybody got mad.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Could you see the balt. Could you see Baltimore taking a db? Or do they go get another receiver?

[Chad Ochocinco]

They got Wiggins. You got Marlon Humphrey.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Marlon plays slot. Mainly safety.

[Dante Hall]

Good point.

[Ryan Seacrest]

D line.

[Dante Hall]

That's a good point.

[Chad Ochocinco]

D line. D tackle. Cause young bull just retired.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Op.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. Oh, he just retired. Go retire.

[Dante Hall]

I like that one.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I think the thing is, Baltimore's like, you know what? We can take whatever we want. We still got Lamar, we got Henry, we got Zay Flowers, we got the other. Other receiver. What's the other receiver? Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Not Aguilar.

[Ryan Seacrest]

No. 7. Oh, Rard Bman. We got Bateman. We got. We got Likely. We got Andrews. They got a nice offensive line. They re. They resigned Staley.

[Dante Hall]

So you're saying defense.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I think. I think they go defense.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I definitely think they go defense.

[Chad Ochocinco]

D tackle.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I def. I. I'm definitely thinking defense. You got Row. I don't know if there's a safety rated that high to get to go. To go with Kyle Hamilton.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So I'm thinking. I'm thinking they take a. I'm thinking a corner or D lineman. I say Will Johnson makes a lot of sense here because.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That'S a good one. I like that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Malachi Starks, safety from Georgia.

[Dante Hall]

He's still the end been drafted.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He's supposed to let me look. You lose the defensive player. Yeah, but my question, I, you know, I was like, okay, what safety is rated high enough? Because it makes sense with Kyle Hamilton, Right. Your all world safety.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, well, Kyle playing the box.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He does. He does. He does. He absolutely does. This will be the third one defense, two edges and a safety.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And I can't believe they picked Jackson Dart.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm still safety from Georgia. Starts.

[Dante Hall]

I'm retired. I'm retired. I'm retired.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I like the pick. I like this pick for Baltimore.

[Dante Hall]

I like that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I think once you get down this long, Ocho, there ain't a whole lot of knees you got.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I mean, you won, you know, 11, 12 games. You went, you know, you, you exactly. You went around in the playoffs.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right?

[Ryan Seacrest]

So it's not like a you, it's not like you. Like there's one guy that's going to change your fortune. It's not like at the top of the draft, at the bottom of the draft, I'm taking what, whatever the best player available. That's what I'm gonna take.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And at this point, especially this far in the draft.

[Dante Hall]

But Baltimore is a hard team too, though. They're a hard team to track like that, to be like, oh, they're going to take this or they're going to take that. They do everything that. That's a little bit unconventional. They always have been.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But, but the thing is when, when you're that good, it's kind of like Kansas City. It's like. But I mean, what, what do you, what, what do they need? You win 15 games, you win 14 games. 12 games. I mean, what do you, what, what can you select that down at the bottom that's going to put you over the top on you 1.

[Chad Ochocinco]

It might not put him on the top, but the first, the first team you mentioned was Kansas City.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That didn't go O line. They addressed the O line situations. Now I'm not sure what you're going to get of quality that far down. Yeah, but you ain't got no choice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Oh, they definitely take an offensive lineman.

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[Ryan Seacrest]

With the 27th pick, the Baltimore Ravens.

[Dante Hall]

Select.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Malachi starts Malachi.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I like it. I like it. Safety to pair with with Hamilton.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's nice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, you know you got Wiggins, you got Humphrey even though Hump kicks inside when they go to three wides. Yeah, he's really good in the slot and you know balt. Hey Baltimore they got Ron so the.

[Dante Hall]

General.

[Ryan Seacrest]

They bring Kirby. Kirby know how to get them guys, them defensive guys. Kirby know how to get them and can coach him. Yep. When you I guess when you with Coach Saban for that length of time.

[Dante Hall]

You gotta learn something.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You have to learn something, you know, and win championships.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Dante Hall]

That's mine.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Wait, hold on. Is he playing nickel or safety? Okay, now he has safety.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Safety.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah. But, you know, in today's college football, you got to be able to cover so much space.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wow. He was.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He was at the point in the first. First diagram. I like that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He got great. He got great ball skills. Got great ball.

[Dante Hall]

He got skills.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He got great ball skills.

[Dante Hall]

I mean, the first two plays he made, he dropped this guy and made a play.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Then on. On the D ball, first thing you see, touch, look back for ball.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Find it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Find it right away. Most of the time, you can tell when the DB is good. Most of the time in those situations, they panic. Yes, they panic and just play the hands, but.

[Dante Hall]

And he plays with attitude, so he gonna fit right in in that in Baltimore. He gonna play just like them.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What I like. So now the Lions on the clock. Yeah, they need some defense on you. Go get Will Johnson. He from Michigan. Yeah, perfect. Right down. Right. Right down the street from you. Yeah, go get him. Go get him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Get men. Match him up with brother Branch.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But Brian Branch is the real deal.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, my goodness. Man.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, they got Taron Armstrong. They got Taron Armstrong. They got Joseph.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They resigned Joseph Terion Arnold.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Right.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, he nice. What?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I think they definitely. I definitely think they need a corner.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You getting Hutch back?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Now, are they gonna. Are they gonna resign Zedarius Smith?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, that's right. It is free.

[Ryan Seacrest]

The question is, it's kind of hard to tell what they need because they had so many guys on IR defensive side of the football. So it's really hard to tell what they actually need considering so many guys were banged up toward the middle end of the year. But. But.

[Dante Hall]

But the thing is, is. Is if you look at. In the division that they play, if you don't need guys that can score, you need guys that can stop people from scoring. And in today's league, with the. With the rules that they. And the. You. You have to. You better have nine guys that can cover and Detroit with their offense, because they're going to score.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah.

[Dante Hall]

I would definitely not be mad if they took a corner. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I think I think will. I think Will Johnson, like I said, he from. He went to Michigan.

[Dante Hall]

Michigan.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I mean if, if the pick is in. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Ash will be looking like Ash.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What we got. That's what we looking like. No. What did he play? Oh, 99. Okay.

[Dante Hall]

I mean considering all the people they had on defense hurt and they still finished seventh in defense.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

They put so much pressure on you because they score, they force you to.

[Dante Hall]

Play catch up and they force you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You turn the ball over. That's why, you know, you have some of them lopsided games, right. They got into that shootout with Buffalo.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. D tackle.

[Dante Hall]

I took a D tackle from Ohio State.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Dante Hall]

Can't be mad at that either.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So it must be. They must be happy with obviously the skill position on defense.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Must be. But Arnold got to play better. He. He get too many penalties.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Too much. Too much holo. Too much holo. Too handsy. Gotta trust your feet. Trust your feet in the eyes.

[Dante Hall]

Yes.

[Ryan Seacrest]

When you do what he does, it tell me. He's guessing. He's unsure.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He'll be better this year though.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah. Khalik Williams, Ohio State.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, you like that pick.

[Dante Hall]

I think what they're going to do is play offense with their defensive line. You don't know how healthy that he hut's going to come back.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Dante Hall]

And I mean at 70%. I mean he's a high energy guy. He needs. They're going to play offense with their defensive line. They're going to do a lot of that right there. They're going to do a lot of moving. You are not going to get one on ones. You're not going to see a lot of that right there. They're going to play offense with their defensive line.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Whoa.

[Dante Hall]

They're going to scheme and they're going to slant and they're going to move. They're not going to be in the same place when the ball snapped than they were when they lined up. That's what they're going to do.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I like that. Get off the ball. Great press. Look at the press. Look at the hole. Look at the whole port of attack on your press. Hey, mark him out. Where you going? You go to the A. I'm going throw you here. Go to the beer before you l a 3% chance available at the 28p bro. He ain't going.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Watch no, he ain't going no quarterback.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And who drew who drafted who draft after Washington, Buffalo.

[Ryan Seacrest]

They don't ain't going there.

[Dante Hall]

Kansas City, Philly. No, he ain't Going there either man.

[Ryan Seacrest]

They did.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They. They did a number on young Bull man.

[Dante Hall]

Hey, I like the Rams.

[Ryan Seacrest]

If I'm Kansas City, I trade out of the first round.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, absolutely not.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I trade out of the first round. I give me some day two second lineman.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

An extra second. I get an extra second.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right? Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You right. You can't. You can't miss on that. On those, those picks either.

[Dante Hall]

No, you gonna trade out of first.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Round to get what O lineman. Couple old lineman in day two a line bad. You remember how I for last time and, and, and. And 20 20. They got beat. They got their eyes beat out by Tampa. They go get Thuney.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yep.

[Dante Hall]

They got.

[Ryan Seacrest]

They. They go sign Smith.

[Dante Hall]

That's correct.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And they went back to back Super Bowl. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Damn.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah. I mean it makes sense for them to trade out. That's. That makes sense. That makes more sense because I mean they don't have a need, they don't have a want.

[Ryan Seacrest]

They don't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And the qu. And the question is. And the question is if you. With that being said, if a situation you look at it like. Hold on. How high is rated is the offensive line? We're going to get at 32.

[Dante Hall]

At 30.

[Ryan Seacrest]

At 30. Why not slide back, get a couple of extra picks. I can get a second, possibly a third, maybe fourth.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Shout out.

[Dante Hall]

Appreciate it, bro.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What does Washington take here?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Defense.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They got. They. They got to go. Got to go defense. Offensively.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I mean that's how they looking what I like. I mean they really high. I would take.

[Dante Hall]

They're. They're another team that you really don't. Allen.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Didn't they lose. Didn't they release a defensive lineman? Allen. I think Jonathan didn't they le. Jonathan Allen. I think they lost Allen.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You replace him. They can use the corner man got from.

[Chad Ochocinco]

From the Saints came over Marshawn Latimore.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah, he.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Dante Hall]

I don't know if he can run anymore though. Run anymore.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, but he. He had to get his legs up underneath him though. Remember he was hurt for a little bit when he came from the Saints.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Then when he got out there we in the middle of the season.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Mike Green, you take an edge or.

[Dante Hall]

The safety out of South Carolina.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Dante Hall]

Nick Imanora.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I. I like it. The pick is in. You go defensive offense, definitely.

[Dante Hall]

Defense.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Defense. You don't need nothing on offense.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Look at what they got. You got a wide receiver. Debo, you get Tunil. You got Ken Law, you got Will Harris.

[Dante Hall]

Sounds good.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What did he play?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I like It. I like it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Protect. Protect the asset.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. I mean.

[Dante Hall]

Wow.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Play by that drive, though, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Golly, did we not watch the film? Forget what the.

[Dante Hall]

Forget what?

[Chad Ochocinco]

They talk about the eye in the sky online.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Sometimes you. Sometimes you'll talk. Sometimes you'll talk yourself out of something. I believe they talk themselves out of this. Everybody keeps saying, well, Jackson dart ceiling is higher than Shador.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Can't even determine that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Watch his.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You talking about.

[Dante Hall]

That pick right there puts a lot of pressure on your offensive coordinator because you got new toys. You got Debo, and you're gonna have to put them in position to score. You got Terry McLaren, Ryan Robinson, your offensive coordinator, is about to be a star. Well, I mean, if Debo can stay healthy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, Klingsbury did an unbelievable job last year.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah.

[Dante Hall]

And now he's got more year two under his belt. He got more guys that can. That he can step outside of his system. He's getting ready to be a star.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

If I'm Kansas City, I'm taking Amari and Hampton running back.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What you already got on Pacheco? No, that is crazy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That ain't working, bro. You ain't gonna have all that kind of. Kind of time.

[Dante Hall]

That ain't working. That ain't working.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Nice. Nice pass off. Nice pass off.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, excuse me.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Look at this P. I look. Okay. I like to stand o. Coming right out. You. Hey, get out the way, son. That ain't what you want at all. But see, now that Oo. You can't go low. You remember, you create a pile.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, create.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Now you. Now you got to take that punishment. He did. Yeah, okay, okay. He went to the Charger.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Because, you know, they let the other. They let. Who did they let go? Cause they had. What was the guy from Baltimore.

[Dante Hall]

From. From. From.

[Ryan Seacrest]

From.

[Dante Hall]

From.

[Ryan Seacrest]

From 27. Number 27. JK Dobbins. Yeah, they lost JK Dobbins. Yeah. So I. I like. I like the. The Chargers pick, but he went early. Ocha. Buffalo. Okay, you Buffalo. What do you get? What do you need in Buffalo? Trudevius White came back.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What position?

[Chad Ochocinco]

You don't need nothing. You don't need nothing.

[Dante Hall]

On offense, you can. You can never have too much offense.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Corner.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Corner.

[Dante Hall]

You never have too much offense in today's NFL, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But look at that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

We talk about jobs, what's win. So they averaging about 13 wins a year and ain't got nothing to show for.

[Dante Hall]

You can't have enough.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You can't have all those wins on your. With nothing to show. For. Yeah. Yeah.

[Dante Hall]

But if you look at. Look at how they. Look at where their season ends. Their season ends with either Kansas City.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well.

[Dante Hall]

Or Kansas City.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's it. That's what they playing against, basically.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Remember they lost against the Bengals the year the Bengals went to the Super Bowl.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

They lost to Kansas City. They keep saying they want to get home field. They lost to Kansas City. Kansas City went there, beat them, and then went on to Baltimore last year.

[Dante Hall]

Yep.

[Ryan Seacrest]

They had to go on the road to Kansas City.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Dante Hall]

I would draft based on what Kansas City does to me, it's going to.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Be the same, same three, same four every single year because they got the same four quarterback.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Unless something happen with those quarterbacks, that's.

[Dante Hall]

What I would do.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wow. Thank you, YouTube viewers. All you guys that are sitting out there at home watching us, we greatly, greatly appreciate. That's one thing we can tell you about, that. You always support Uncle Noo on Nightcap. We appreciate that. We. We appreciate you, Packer fans for standing here with us. Give yourself a round of applause. You guys are unbelievable.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I appreciate you, all of you at home watching. You know, I love you. I love you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Y'all holding us down. We appreciate that. It's what we. Ash, who you say they took up? Ashley corner. Where is he from? Okay, okay.

[Dante Hall]

Oh, sec guy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I can.

[Dante Hall]

Sec guy. He can rush. He can cover.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Hey, you know, Rasul Douglas is kind of injured.

[Dante Hall]

He can do it all.

[Ryan Seacrest]

They brought your Davious White back. He was injured. You know, hopefully he's healthy. A year removed from that acl. Well, second year removed from that acl, so hopefully he's better. I like Russo. I like the guy from. Where is he from? Houston. The. The D tackle. I love him. I. I can't think of the name off the top of my head. Ash, what's the d tackle number? 91. Name? From Houston.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Houston to Buffalo?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Ed Oliver. Ed Oliver. I mean, from here. Ed Oliver. I love him. He's got a motor. He's violent. He strikes. I. I love every. I love everything about him. They got Russo on the. On one edge. Epanessa on the other side. Yeah. Now the question is, is Matt Milano fully healthy? But when he's healthy, he sidelined the sideline.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He. Top three.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I like it. I like. I like that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I'mma make you famous. I'mma make you famous.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He said, get it up. He said, get up in here. Come on now. Come on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You want some of my beef jerky?

[Dante Hall]

What's your happy look like?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, he was at the draft. Who I say what I. Why do they invite certain people when they know that not going in the first round and just have him sitting there looking crazy? I wouldn't come if, you know, unless you just certainly, absolutely sure. Huh?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Abdul. You know, like Cam and Abdul and. And Trav. You know, the Campbell man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Man, that's a. That's a crazy feeling.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Ocho, you think Jaylah Milro go before Shador?

[Chad Ochocinco]

They playing game. Oh, that's a good one. What you think?

[Ryan Seacrest]

And they love it. A lot of people say he had. He has the most upside.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They got. Stop you looking at. Looking at size and arm strength.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What I tell you to. Told you, Ocho. Trading.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I told you for who and for what?

[Ryan Seacrest]

They traded to Philly. I don't know why Philly feel they need to move up to 31. They was at 32.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They moved up one spot to make sure they get the person they want.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Get the person they want. They really. They really can go anywhere, right, other than quarterback. They don't need a wide receiver. They don't need a running back. They don't need a quarterback. They don't need offensive line. We know they're not gonna go off his alignment. They got they number one and damn near every position. Right tackle, left tackle, left guard, center receiver. So they. They got a top three player.

[Dante Hall]

They. They.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah, they do.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So D lineman. They loaded it. D line. Well, they've. They. They've shown us you can't ever have enough D lineman.

[Dante Hall]

Got boys fresh.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nice rotation.

[Dante Hall]

You got a ch.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So you. You get a situation where, hey, we got a NASCAR package. We got a group that stops the run, and then we spit. Hey, did we change tires right quick, Do a pit stop.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Come on in.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Come on in, guys. Let's see what he looking like. O your.

[Dante Hall]

No, he got. Oh, no, he nice. No, he not. No, he not playing. Oh, he nice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Look at it. Look at this. Look at this. Look at this.

[Dante Hall]

He nice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I got you. You thought. You thought I was gonna buy.

[Dante Hall]

No, he. He thought I gonna fall for the.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Banana in the tailpipe.

[Dante Hall]

No, he. In our conference. He's nice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, damn. No, he should have showed that play.

[Dante Hall]

No, he. He not.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I got up the backside.

[Dante Hall]

Flip those hips.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Give me that.

[Dante Hall]

Look how he flipped them things, man.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Look at.

[Dante Hall]

Look at his feet.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Look at his. Look at his. Look at this. Look at this.

[Dante Hall]

Look.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Don't try me.

[Dante Hall]

Our guys used to always say in South Carolina, he believes what he sees. You gonna have to be real good to fool him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I like it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Eagle said, man, we ain't fitting to hold y'all. We don't need all this time. Come on.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's a good pig.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay, that's a be lb. Oh, linebacker. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They got. They just. They just signed Bond back. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, they did. Yeah. Nicole Dean, how healthy is he gonna be? You know he had that knee.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dante Hall]

See way late.

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[Ryan Seacrest]

All Philly, I believe y'all could have got that guy at 32.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah, he would have still been there.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I believe he still. I believe he still been there because if he wouldn't. If. If Kansas City would have wanted him, they wouldn't. Yeah, maybe they was worried about somebody else shooting up, but no, they weren't.

[Dante Hall]

But no, they were. No, they were about to fall asleep. They just wanted to do something to get busy in the draft.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, I like it.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's dope.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I like. Look, I like. I like. I like the. The Bills pick.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You gonna. He gonna have his hands full now.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Waddle Tyreek.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You got Buffalo in this situation.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Shakir got Palmer, got Keon Coleman, you got to deal with. I mean, the Painters ain't got no. I'm talking about that, boy. I know you got. Yeah, yeah, I'm talking about that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, man, like I said, if you.

[Dante Hall]

Had receiver for Buffalo, huh? Receiver?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, no, for the Patriots.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, they got Diggs, but Diggs is coming off at acl, and you know.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You gonna be on the inside anyway.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, you need to get past that first year when you're dealing with that acl. Unless you Adrian Peterson, right?

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't know.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I don't.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Well, I don't know where he rehabbed that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, you need to be. You need to be Ash. Is it coming through? Ash? No, Jihad. Okay, okay.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I heard him.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Huh? Next year we got proof of concept. Show everybody we can do it. Do it. That was mar.

[Dante Hall]

Thank you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'll do shoes, bro. Oh, Ashley Genti. Wow. It's.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, my goodness.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Draft is so different. The draft is so different now with.

[Dante Hall]

With. With.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Now. When. You know, when I. It used to be on Sunday.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Day one started Sunday, and then it went Monday, Tuesday.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And you had seven rounds, right? I mean, 12 rounds. When I came out, you had 12. Now they start on. They start on Thursday, go Friday into Saturday.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's it. Come on, Eagles.

[Dante Hall]

Speed, speed. Speed on defense. Come on. Speed on defense. Come on. Speed on speed. On defense.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Campbell. John Campbell.

[Dante Hall]

Speed on defense.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Speed.

[Dante Hall]

He's on defense.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He'll thumper, though.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah, with speed.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He'll thumper.

[Dante Hall]

Yes, he is.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's one thing about Bama guys. But you. Hey, you strike.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah. When they get there, you go down.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, you strike there. Autumn. 220 linebackers, they don't have that. They got them guys 235, 240, and.

[Dante Hall]

Can run for days.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, man.

[Dante Hall]

That's a good pick for them, though.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, yeah. To get that guy away.

[Dante Hall]

And he can step outside that defense and be on his own. He can make plays on his own.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Look at. Look at the size. 16, 35.

[Dante Hall]

His own. Get on your horse. Get on your horse. Get on your horse.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Do that.

[Dante Hall]

That's mine. That's mine.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That was a terrible throat. That's Carson Beck. I don't know what he was looking at.

[Dante Hall]

He don't either.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Look at this.

[Dante Hall]

Read and react.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, dip it. What are you doing, man? Oh, Joe. Some of them guys, I don't know what they be doing. I. I know they ain't coaching. That.

[Dante Hall]

Showed up and hurt. He was sudden, wasn't he?

[Ryan Seacrest]

He was sudden, yeah.

[Dante Hall]

He showed up all of a sudden.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Imagine you're a defensive player and you going to the Eagles, man.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Are you talking about a dream come true?

[Ryan Seacrest]

The cheese are in. Cheese picker in what we got? That's how we looking.

[Dante Hall]

I wouldn't be mad if they went linebacker.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah. I mean, they just take offensive lineman. I would hope so, I guess. You take the. Don't know. Ohio State got an offensive lineman that's still available.

[Dante Hall]

Oh.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes, yes. I mean, they got DJ Humphrey, who's a. You're gonna be a year plus removed from that ACL surgery. They got Juwan Johnson. Smith is back. They got Creed Humphrey. They need a left guard. You know, Joe Thuney is. Is in. And Tuney is in Chicago now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Chicago has improved tremendously.

[Ryan Seacrest]

They absolutely have. Yeah. The cornerback, Remember the cornerback? He won the. Didn't he win the Thorpe Award? Yes, yes, yes. And you know why.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Why did he fall? Why did he fall the way he did?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I have no idea. I mean, he's probably thinking the same thing Shadour's thinking. How did I. How did I fall?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Simmons, Ohio State tackle.

[Dante Hall]

And he's going inside.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You gonna play? Play. You gonna play the guard position or tackle?

[Dante Hall]

He's gonna move him inside.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Look, I think everybody. Everybody that's out there listening to us. Everybody that's here, I think everybody's shocked that Shador Slid out of the first round.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You look once he got past that first three to four, first three, nobody else really needed a quarterback until they got. Until they got to 21.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay, he doesn't go in at 9, but are you really not at Saints.

[Chad Ochocinco]

At the Saints. Saints.

[Dante Hall]

But are you really that shocked, though? Because everybody, except for Mel Kuiper, everybody was saying Shador was falling like a comet. Everyone. Jackson dart on the rise, Shador falling, except for Mel. And then when you start to look at all the. I mean, they talk about accuracy, accuracy, but then you look at Jackson dart, he can move, he's accurate. He. He does all those same things. So just listening to other people who do this for a living, right. They weren't shocked. Then they were saying that since day one, since the combine, that Jackson Dark went to the combine, Milroe went to the comp, they all blew up and it was like Shador was starting to fall.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, I think for me, is that okay, look like tr. He wasn't going to Cleveland. He wasn't going to the Giants.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Dante Hall]

Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

With Derek Carr, situation with his shoulder. We don't know if he went high heel.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He thought he would have went.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So now he doesn't go nine. Nobody until 21 needs a quarterback.

[Dante Hall]

Quarterback, right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Once. Once Pittsburgh doesn't select him, you're like, okay, well, maybe somebody trades back. I said, don't your somebody go trade back in the first round?

[Chad Ochocinco]

The Giants did trade back into the first round.

[Dante Hall]

Now they're going to take. And they're already back and take Dark.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I don't.

[Dante Hall]

So let me ask you this. Does. Does Milroe go before Shador?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I just asked him that.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I have no idea.

[Dante Hall]

Because, I mean, everybody likes Milroe. Everybody said he, he's a treat. He gonna keep growing.

[Ryan Seacrest]

They. They like the ability, the 4, 3, 7 speed, the big time arm. Now he struggled with accuracy. I don't like guys that struggle with accuracy in college.

[Dante Hall]

Not at that level. Not at this level. No.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So if you struggle with accuracy in college.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Struggle.

[Ryan Seacrest]

We saw that. We, we saw that. We saw that with Anthony Richardson.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So it's hard to, you know, it's.

[Dante Hall]

Hard to go there and be accurate.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yes.

[Dante Hall]

If you don't bring it with you, you ain't picking it up on the way there.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Because you got to be. You got to be. You got to throw guys open.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yes, sir.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Guys ain't gonna be. Every once in a while a guy blow an assignment, miss a coverage, and then all of a sudden you find somebody. But More times than not, you got to hit guys on the move.

[Dante Hall]

You cutting it loose before he gets.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, yeah, man. Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Gotta have.

[Dante Hall]

Yes.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So I'm Tory Skills, man.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But they like to keep talking upside. That's the thing with you. I know you tired of hearing it, but he talk about upside. He has the ability, he's had, he has the, the most ability to expand, right?

[Dante Hall]

Yeah. But when you talk about upside with, with the Milroe and these guys, you, the upside is you are not getting off the bus playing right now.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Dante Hall]

Your upside is you can wait two years and then you can move in and be comfortable. Upside is not, oh, he's going to get better at what he does now. No. Upside is the fact that, guess what? You ain't playing tomorrow. We don't want you to play tomorrow. We really don't need you to play tomorrow. It's like Pennix in Atlanta. He had tremendous upside because they knew he wasn't going to play right away.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But my thing is, and I told Ocho this when they signed Cousins, I said, ocho, the best, I'm talking about the absolute best you can hope you get from Cousins is two years. What happens, Ocho, if this car breaks down halfway through the season? And I'll be damned. Now you stuck. You gave him 100 million guarantee.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah, yeah. Gabriel is Monopoly money. Everybody money.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I mean, everybody, everybody can spend. There was a 3% chance he was going to be available, so there was a chance.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Small. That's some bull.

[Dante Hall]

I, I, wow. I, I mean, Ash, I'm only saying la, the Rams with Shador. I'm only saying that because Stafford is in, I think the last year of his deal.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Dante Hall]

But I don't, but I don't know if it ain't the Rams, I don't know who.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Dante Hall]

I mean, the Saints could come back in the second round.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, Cleveland is up. Cleveland picked first in the first, in the second round.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Might be the first one taken.

[Ryan Seacrest]

At the end of the day, bro, I won't. It's where it's, it's where you go, not how high you go.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah, I, I've always said that. I'm like, I, you know, I, I don't care. I don't care. Just let me get in a system that'll allow me to keep being me.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Dante Hall]

That's what I want me in a system that I can keep. I don't have to learn to be you. I don't have to learn to be you. I want to get off the Bus being me. And that, that's the most important thing. I mean, the money is good too. You know, I, I really like to go second then to go seven. But other than that, I'm getting a system that will allow me to be me.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Me. I go to. Went to a situation. I went to one of the three teams that had an H back position.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What if I don't go to a team that doesn't have an H back position?

[Dante Hall]

I came to a team that didn't want me.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Washington, the Chargers and the Broncos. The only teams that had HB position.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

All the tight ends get hurt.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What are the chances?

[Dante Hall]

There's no chance that all three of them get hurt like that. There is no chance.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm the biggest wide receiver. I just happen to weigh 215 pounds. And so, hey, he could play tight end, right? Huh? When they had 215 pound tight end within the 60s, the 50s, not the 90s.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But it's a half the highest drafted receiver since Calvin Johnson in 2000s. Well, damn. Well, he's the highest drafted DB. Says who? When last time a DB went the second. Second pick, sure. What?

[Dante Hall]

Prime.

[Chad Ochocinco]

What number prime went?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Prime was five.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So we went before prime.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Sean Springs went too in 98.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Came out with Wood Charles Wilson.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Okay. But Sean was nice.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Boy, he was nice for that one year. I don't know. I don't know what happened. And then everybody started cooking.

[Dante Hall]

Oh, that's Ocho right now. That was Ocho release right now. Yeah, that was Ocho release.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That stab, he like, ooh, I ain't going nowhere. I ain't going nowhere.

[Dante Hall]

That was, that was Ocho release right now.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Excuse me.

[Dante Hall]

That. That's a.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That. Yeah.

[Dante Hall]

He got a lot of you, man.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He does.

[Dante Hall]

He has a lot of you. Yeah, he twitchy. Listen, he really twitchy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, man. 82 to 58.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's. He gonna be, he gonna be nice and Duval, man.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He finna put them busts in the seats, boy. Yeah, we're gonna put him in the seat.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I just, I, you know, I just hope they don't wear him down.

[Dante Hall]

Kevin, how do you play him?

[Chad Ochocinco]

They gonna let him do what he want now.

[Dante Hall]

How do you play him?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I, I build a package on offense, but I'm playing. He playing defense.

[Chad Ochocinco]

You drafted him as a DB to play receiver.

[Dante Hall]

Oh, you getting ready to lose the room.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Lose what room?

[Dante Hall]

The receiver room.

[Chad Ochocinco]

How ain't he better than what's there?

[Dante Hall]

That ain't got nothing to do with.

[Chad Ochocinco]

My Money, man, we ain't trying to hear all that.

[Dante Hall]

Oh, really?

[Chad Ochocinco]

He better than what's there, really, on both sides of the.

[Dante Hall]

Okay, so now we gonna do this. Honestly, I'm just telling. Hold on. You've been in them rooms?

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Dante Hall]

What receiver you know don't mind sharing the ball? What receiver you know is okay with you making catch?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, it don't matter. I mean, at the end of the day, I think it's. It's always like this when you're a rookie coming in.

[Dante Hall]

Oh, yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You gotta prove it. He don't. You gotta prove it.

[Dante Hall]

He now drafted stages.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I ain't just. I ain't just finna, you know, just take it. I understand. I know. Look, your position is here. You here for the next three years, but I'm still gonna make it work. Or they gonna put me on the other side.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah, one or the other.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I ain't going to the bench.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on. Who the receivers in Jacksonville right now.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Man, they got Brian Thomas.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, my God. Never mind. I take that back.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Hold on. He's the second best receiver.

[Dante Hall]

What you. What you think Brian Thomas gonna be happy seeing him coming? No.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's some good help, though.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, that's some good help.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Brian. He not better than Brian Thomas Jr. I know that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Let me ask you a question. Now, with that being said, how did I forget that? Do you pair him with Brian Thomas and let him play limited snaps on defense and let him play?

[Dante Hall]

That's what I would do. Nah, that's what I would.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Brian. Brian Thomas jr. Can carry that load by himself because he did it last year.

[Ryan Seacrest]

The question is, let's see what Jacksonville does. Day two. They ain't got no second round pick. They gave that up when they moved up. So they ain't got no second round. There you go. Hey.

[Dante Hall]

He'll receive them. He'll receive them.

[Ryan Seacrest]

They gotta be.

[Dante Hall]

Man.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You see Gil's son? Yeah, yeah, I text him.

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[Dante Hall]

Wow. That right there.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay. Jazz. Crazy Jazz. Keep K. Von Thibodeau will exercise to the like. Why would. Why would. Why would they not keep Thibodeau? You got him on a fifth year option. Why would you not keep it? Right? I'm. I'm not. I mean, anybody surprised by that?

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, not at all.

[Ryan Seacrest]

No. So either.

[Chad Ochocinco]

No, not at all.

[Dante Hall]

Not really.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I mean, you got. You. You put him with Thibodeau on one side, you got Abdul Card on the other and you got big Lawrence in the middle.

[Dante Hall]

Or you put them on both, put them both on the same side and move them right. Just, just twisting stunts.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You got big deck, big Dax, you know he gonna hold it down in the middle.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Nasty boy. Big Dex, a good one.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I mean, I like what the Giants did.

[Dante Hall]

I do too.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Cause you got, you gotta go hunt.

[Dante Hall]

I do too.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You gotta, you gotta hunt Jaylen. Jalen hurts. You gotta hunt Jaden Daniels. You gotta go hunt Dak.

[Dante Hall]

Well, I think you definitely gotta look at Washington and Philly because their quarterbacks are moving. You definitely got to have somebody that can move with them. Yeah, I don't think Dak is going to move as much as one pound, as much as those two. But those two in Philly and Washington, they both. Yeah, you need some folks that can go get them.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I like, look, this was, this was the worst kept secret ever.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I mean, I mean, think about it. After his pro day, they cancel all the other. Come on, Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

We know what we doing.

[Ryan Seacrest]

We've seen enough. I like it. I like this pick. Look, hey, I like, I like, I like the top picks.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Does he play his first year?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, yeah, he played.

[Dante Hall]

Wait in Tennessee. Yeah, he gonna have to. I think he, I, I, I, he may even play day one.

[Chad Ochocinco]

So you don't think he sits a.

[Dante Hall]

Year not at number one? No, you don't sit number one. Number one gets off the bus.

[Ryan Seacrest]

They did Carson. Yeah, but they don't do that no more.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, yeah, Lamar.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, Lamar. But Flacco came up for Super Bowl.

[Chad Ochocinco]

That's right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's hard to beat your quarterback that won Super Bowls. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, look, you can think. We'll say what you want about Joe Flacco's better than Will Nevis. Yeah, by far.

[Chad Ochocinco]

See, Mahomes, he sat behind Alex Smith.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Alex Smith? Yeah. Alex Smith was number one overdraft pick. They were in the playoffs the year before.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Wow. And think about it. All the playoff success that they had. Andy still traded up to take him number 10. Yeah. You see how the forward thinking. I know what this offense is, but it could be so much better, man. I got Kelsey, I got Tyreek.

[Chad Ochocinco]

He saw it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But, but you, but sometimes as a coach you got to do things that's unconventional because, man, you, man, you just went to the playoffs, man. You got Alex Smith playing so well.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But I know what this offense can be. I see what it is, but I know what it can be. Right. If I get me somebody that'll push the ball down the field. That's not afraid to take chances because, you know, I name him. Check down Alex.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So I, I.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, I came they did Pistons. What happened?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Pistons lost by two. Jalen Brunson probably did something incredible. Look at that. 12 and 12 and four. Cat had 31. What K do did K go crazy? Okay, 24 and 11. Hardaway Jr. 24.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Oh, okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Grizzly join some fight.

[Chad Ochocinco]

They, they trying. We still a lot of game to go.

[Ryan Seacrest]

There it is. Y'all must be going crazy. Or Jaren Jackson. Pippen Jr. Jaren. Yeah, I like this.

[Chad Ochocinco]

And the Clippers.

[Ryan Seacrest]

The Clippers, yeah.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Killing the Nuggets.

[Ryan Seacrest]

They are Jokic got a triple double already. I'm not, I'm. I mean, this Shador, man. I, I, I think I, I, I. It'd be interesting to see what, what, what, you know, social media has to say about, about, about Shador falling.

[Dante Hall]

No, it'll be interesting if Milroe go before him.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, my gosh.

[Dante Hall]

If Milroe go before him.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But it's, but it, but it's, but it's possible? Yes, it's possible.

[Dante Hall]

Yes.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I mean, it's not like it's out of the realm of possibility.

[Chad Ochocinco]

This has been a collective effort, media, GMs, owners, for the simple fact they allowed.

[Dante Hall]

So, so is it because his last name Sanders? That's what you're saying?

[Chad Ochocinco]

There's no other reason? There's no other reason. Just turn the film on.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I want my quarterback confident because if he doesn't have that, he can't play. I don't care what his, what his skill set is. You got to have confidence. You got to be. You just have to believe. Look, in pro sports, you have to believe. You the baddest mofo out here. And I'm here for a reason.

[Dante Hall]

And you got to be mentally strong and not allow the outside noise to get to you. And that's hard, man. That's hard.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But I, I think. And plus, you can't go press now. Ocho.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I can't show you what. I can't show y'all what y'all missed in one game.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah, but let's look at, let's look at his, let's look, look at the history of those. Let's just say he and Milro just to throw out two names, right? He's always been the guy. He's always been the guy. He's never been challenged. Not saying that's good or bad. I'm just saying he's never had to show you that I am who you think I am or want me to be.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Right.

[Dante Hall]

Jalen Milroe was about to be a dv.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Let me ask you this. If I take Shador and put him at Alabama and I take Milroy and put him at Colorado, you think Alabama has a better record or a worse.

[Dante Hall]

Record with Shador, I'm going to say a worse record because Shador doesn't run enough or run more.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay.

[Dante Hall]

I, I think with Milrose legs and, and I think he throws it accurately enough in college football to be, for that team to be successful. If Nick Saban is still coaching and. No, no, disown Coach Deborah. But I, I just think that when you look at what, what Nick had him do, he was very good at what Jalen Milroe is. I don't know if Shador could take an Alabama offense because he doesn't run enough, doesn't use. College football is all about the legs, man. You gotta, you gotta use those legs.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, he ain't, Melroy ain't running in Colorado with that offensive line.

[Dante Hall]

No, Milro would have been running in Colorado. Yeah, he, he would have been running. He wasn't gonna complete 74 of his throws. I know that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He might not have 10 touchdowns behind that off his line.

[Dante Hall]

I agree with that. I'll agree with that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He'll have a thousand yards rushing though.

[Dante Hall]

Or 2,000 yards rushing.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah, I kind of, I kind of disagree a little bit. Obviously they're in Alabama. Just say a hypothetically if the players is switched. There's no Travis Hunter in Alabama, but I think collectively as a group.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Williams ain't bad though.

[Dante Hall]

No, no, no, but, but, but that's what I'm saying. See in that con, you, you gotta look at how the conference is built. Conference is built.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You see all the Georgia, you see all them D line, autumn D line edge rushes.

[Dante Hall]

You gotta be able to move at quarterback.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Georgia Ole Miss, I mean, you gotta.

[Dante Hall]

Be able to move it. You gotta be able to move. If you look at all the quarterbacks in the sec, they can throw him.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Even if he can't do it with his legs. He's a better throw of the ball than the row is.

[Dante Hall]

Yeah, but we're going to attack that weakness. See that? See when you a dual threat, it's hard to attack a weakness because we don't know which one it is. But if you can't run, you're going to be standing back there. Oh yeah, we getting to that. Our conference is built on getting to that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Right?

[Dante Hall]

That is a. Interesting situation, though, if you had to.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Put some money, what do you think you're gonna end up? Now, here's the thing.

[Dante Hall]

I'm going with the Rams. I'm staying.

[Ryan Seacrest]

The shock is gonna be if he slides out of the second round. We already we surprised, right, that he slid out of the first round. We would be shocked, aghast.

[Chad Ochocinco]

But if he slide again, I wouldn't even know what to say. I wouldn't even know what to say.

[Dante Hall]

Hey, second round, Saints.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Can I go back? Can I go back to college?

[Dante Hall]

Yeah, Saints, Rams, can I get my.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Eligibility back and go back to college?

[Dante Hall]

It's got to be one of those two Saints and Rams.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Yeah. All right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I say Cleveland to you guys that came out and stood at the entire show. Thank you so very much.

[Chad Ochocinco]

I appreciate you. I appreciate you. I appreciate you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

To our list, to our boys, to our beat. Don't Audience, thank you so much. Thank you so much for Nightcap NightCap Draft Edition 2025. Y'all know me. I'm your favorite UNC. This is your favorite number 85 Bingo Ring of Fame honoree Pro Bowler All Pro Chad Ochocinko Johnson. We want to thank our guest, Dante hall, the human joystick Pro Bowler Joe Thompson and newly admitted pro all Pro hall of famer 2025 Packer legend Charlie Sharp. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[Chad Ochocinco]

Good night. I love you. Call me.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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