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Stugots
Stigatz here. I have a podcast empire that I have brought here to iHeart, and I'm also hosting a daily live radio show from 3 to 5pm Eastern called Stegots and Company Live, which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes. Every single day, you can expect a lot of laughter, great guests, a ton of calls, and a lot of fun. Listen to Stegotson company Live and our original podcast, Stegotson Company and God Bless Football. And you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, wherever you get your podcast.
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Trevor Lawrence
Seems like just yesterday that the Two Guys Five Rings podcast was in Paris for the Olympics, and now we're heading to Milan for the 2026 Milan Cortina Olympic Winter Games. I'm Bowen Yang. And I'm Matt Rogers. And we'll join athletes from 93 countries as Two Guys Five Rings hits the Italian Alps for the 2026 Milan Cortina Olympic Winter Games. Open your free iHeartRadio app. Did we mention it's free? Search Two Guys Five Rings and listen.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Now, this show contains information subject to but not limited to personal takes, rumors not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This your boy, Nav Green from the Broken Play Podcast. Look, it's the end of the season. The playoffs are here. Guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs. The Chief.
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Host/Interviewer
It's time to rebuild.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Host/Interviewer
Thank you guys for joining us for another episode of Nightcap Radio Row. Y' all know who I am. I am your favorite uncle. And this is my partner and co host, Liberty City Zone, Bingo's ring of fame honoree. A former pro bowler and an All Pro, he's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. Thank you guys. Thank you so much. You joined us yesterday for Nightcap Radio Rock. You follow us around. Followed Ocho around the city yesterday on Twitch. We can't thank you enough for being right back here. You got Debo and Joe both mornings from 8 to 10. And now it's Ocho and I turn to Take it over from 10 to 1. The first guest coming in. Y' all know him. He was the number one overall draft pick and 2021 from Clemson. He's a national champion in 2025. He threw for 4,007 yards, 29 touchdowns, 12 interceptions. The Jag went 13 and 4, won the AFC south, lost to the Bills in a wild card game. After starting five and four, guess what? This guy helped pull him out of that deficit. And they went on to win the division. Here he is, Trevor Lawrence.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
What's up, boss?
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Host/Interviewer
All right, Trev, before we get into any football talk, tell us what. What. What we got here? What we got here?
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Trevor Lawrence
All right, we got. Well, this. Got some chips and dips here.
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Host/Interviewer
Is that edible?
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Trevor Lawrence
It is. It's fresh. They said. Said it's fresh brunch.
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Host/Interviewer
So now if I end up. If I end up.
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Sauce Gardner
Hold on.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
You got to dip it.
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Sauce Gardner
Dip it.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Aunt, you can't.
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Trevor Lawrence
I don't do.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
I don't do the d. Hey, Tre, that's guacamole, right?
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Trevor Lawrence
That's guac.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
What's on the other side?
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Trevor Lawrence
Salsa. You want salsa?
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
No, I'm on a diet. I'm on the diet.
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Trevor Lawrence
It's not the McDonald's, huh?
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
There you go. There we go.
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Host/Interviewer
What kind of chips are these? They taste different. What's special about them?
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Trevor Lawrence
I don't know. What's special about the chips? We're here. We're here with Zevo. So we got. We got all of our food hosting super bowl parties. Living in Florida. Come in, in and out. When you're hosting a party, get all the flies in the house. You plug this up in your kitchen.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah.
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Trevor Lawrence
Takes care of them for you. So it's a big. It's an essential in our house.
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Host/Interviewer
So this is a Zebo flying insect trap. Yes, House fly, fruit flies, gnats and more mosquitoes. No chemicals, insecticides. So I just plug this into the wall, and they fly into this blue.
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Trevor Lawrence
Light, so it attracts them, and then it has a sticky inside.
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Host/Interviewer
Okay.
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Sauce Gardner
Oh, oh, okay.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
You know what I can attest to because I have Zevo. Baby, baby, tell them. You got the little Zevo, right? But I use it for the fruit flies. I have a problem with fruit flies. I'm not sure where they come from. Trev, I have no problem.
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Host/Interviewer
You in Miami.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
I know, but I.
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Trevor Lawrence
It was the same thing. Set the fruit out, and they're just. After a day, it's like, Trev, I.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Don'T even have no fruit at the house. That's the problem. I don't have no fruit, and they come out of nowhere. But this Zevo has been able to help me tremendously, trying to get rid of fruit flies because I'm not sure what the blue light does I don't understand the technology behind it.
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Trevor Lawrence
I don't really either, but it works.
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Host/Interviewer
Insects like life. Yeah. It's like moth and mosquitoes. They go to the flame. They go to a hot outside. You see them flying around. So when they. When this. This lights up, it traps them inside. So this is what Trevor Lawrence is promoting. It's called Zebo flying insect trap. What you do, you plug it in 24, 7 max. It has a cord.
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Trevor Lawrence
No.
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Sauce Gardner
Oh, okay.
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Trevor Lawrence
So this sits against the wall.
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Host/Interviewer
So how, how long, how long will they last?
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Trevor Lawrence
They said, I mean, you'll see it gets full. You can look in there.
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Host/Interviewer
Oh, so you. Oh, okay. So you have to. You have to change it out so that you just age, slide this side and put another win. It's kind of like those. It's. You know what? Yeah, it's kind. You know what it's like. It's kind of like those plugins. Yes. With those aromas.
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Trevor Lawrence
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Host/Interviewer
And you just. And you just keep plugging them in. Trev. Unbelievable bounce back season, your first season under new head coach Liam Con. He's also called the plays. What was different this year for you as opposed to in years past?
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Trevor Lawrence
Yeah, I mean, I think the, the system that we're running is completely different than anything I've had before. It gives you. I mean, it gives you a lot of answers as a quarterback. It's. It's tougher to learn on the front end just because, you know, we got two, three plays at the line almost every. Every time we bring the huddle, so it puts a little bit more. So like in, in the spring and in training camp, it was a little tough to learn, but then once the season started, I really felt like I started to get comfortable with it as the season went on. So you're running good plays versus the right look. I mean, that's the idea of all the, you know, it's a good system, if you ask me. So I think that getting comfortable with that. And then Liam's been great just the way he led the team. His personality is perfect for Jacksonville. He's got that chip on his shoulder. And I think our team really embodied that and bought into it.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
As great as you guys look offensively. And I always say it, I say that throughout the season. When Travis Hood and went down, you guys had the Ferrari in the garage for most of the season. And still Travis Hunter, excuse me, trap Travis Hunter, I call it the Ferrari. Being in the garage and offensive, you guys still look extremely good throughout the Majority of the season without him. How optimistic are you that you guys will be able to continue to build once he comes back healthy offensively?
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Trevor Lawrence
Super optimistic. I mean, you look at. Like you said, I mean, I think people kind of forgot that he, that he's on our team because he got hurt. And we, when we started really clicking, he wasn't on the field and he was injured. But think about having him that's going to be back next year. Both sides of the ball. He's such a key player. I mean, he's gonna, he's gonna be a huge help for our team. And then you look at the guys that stepped up, I think that's the cool thing is guys stepped up that maybe like Parker Watts, maybe a lot of people didn't know much about before the season.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Nice.
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Trevor Lawrence
I played with him for a couple years. I've known what he's capable of. Obviously he hasn't gotten those opportunities until this year, but being able to step up and have a guy that can just come in and play and take off the rest of the season, I mean, he, he played awesome. Proud of him. And just all of our guys, obviously, BT coming back.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah.
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Trevor Lawrence
You know, Britain strange, we got Jacobe, who we picked up halfway through the season. I mean, Jacoby Myers was one of the, the biggest additions that we've had. I mean, what he brought to our team in our receiver room, just that mindset. And he does all the little things like he blocks, he runs all. I mean, he can run every route. He's selfless. I think all those things. He was a great leader for that room.
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Host/Interviewer
I think you've had like three different or offensive coordinators in a very short time. And you hear, and you hear a lot of people say, man, look it, where is on a quarterback because he's in a system for basically one year. He has to learn another system for two years, and then he has to learn a third system. How different is the system that Liam run as opposed to some of the systems that you've had earlier in your career?
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Trevor Lawrence
It's very different, this system, you know, with obviously Liam and, and Sean McVay and all these. It's now, it's kind of spread. There's a, a lot of teams that are running it now, and I've never been in it until we got Liam. And I've heard great things about it, but I didn't really know what it, what it was like. So now having it, I can, I can definitely say it's. It's really cool because you Learned so much. I've learned in the past year. I've learned so much more about scheme, like what we're trying to do, why we're putting in a play this way, why we're using this motion to try to undress the pressure or the coverage. I mean, there's so many things that, you know as a quarterback that you have to be taught that I just didn't know before because that's. That's the way that the system does it and the way you build your game plan. So give them a lot of credit for that. It's a lot different than anything I've had. And just having the ability as the quarterback to get out of place, to have options, you know, to have the freedom to get into the right play, it feels really good.
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Host/Interviewer
Do you ever. Because we used to do. I know, Ocho. I talked about it.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah.
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Host/Interviewer
Have you ever, like, man, I sure wish I was in that system because I see that quarterback and I see the numbers he putting up. I damn sure could put numbers up like that if I had a system like that.
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Trevor Lawrence
I think you definitely, you know, you talked about the start of my career in the first four years and just the. The change. New coaches, new coordinators, new play callers. I've had, you know, four play callers since I've been in the league in five years. And you do look at things and you're like, man, I know. You know, I know I have the ability, and I know I can do all these things. And you do want things to line up, and you want to feel like you're set up for success. And. And I've had good coaches in the past. That's not to knock any coaches, but it's just, I think naturally you do look at other situations, like, man, and it feels good to be now with Liam in this system and feel like we have an advantage with our, you know, our system and the things that we're doing, our game plan going into the game, we feel like we have the advantage, which is a huge thing as a player. If you can feel that, you feel confident, you can just go out and play.
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Host/Interviewer
Yeah.
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Trevor Lawrence
Because you trust it's going to work.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
You know, one of the things I always think about is being able to maximize a player's potential is obviously always having continuity and having a familiarity with the system. And when you have to switch coordinators, you have to switch play callers every guy, every season. To me, it almost makes you take a step back, in a sense, because there's always something new that you're having to learn right now where you are in your career. Do you have the freedom when you come to the line and you see the defense, do you have the freedom even though you have multiple, multiple players called at one, do you have the freedom to change it to something that you like? Do you have that freedom yet?
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Trevor Lawrence
Yeah, you know, it depends on the situation, what plays call called. But definitely, I mean, there was some stuff towards the end of the season where we'd say it could be a run play and any, anytime I think we get man coverage, we can check to any of our man beaters and just get out of it. Which is great as a quarterback because you're like, absolutely, I know it's man. But we're running, we're running mid zone, which is fine, we probably get a decent gain. But like why, why wouldn't we run some crossers mesh play and we get a chunk and because we know it's. Because you're not going to. It's very rare that you just, you can call the play knowing exactly what they're playing and when you can do that, you're at such an advantage. So they've given me the freedom to, when I see that I can get to what I want.
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Sauce Gardner
Yeah.
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Trevor Lawrence
Because you know what you're getting and I, you know, I think that's really cool.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah, that's, that's a, that's a huge advantage when you have a quarterback that has allowed the freedom to be able to do what some of the greats have done. Because when the greats, what the greats have always been able to done is to understand what they see in front of them and be able to change. Especially when you have the right personnel, which you do have to be able to get into something you like. We got man to man. I mean, I got BT out there. What man, we changing this. If you would have put your GM cap on, I've asked every player we've had on here if you were able to put your GM cap on and say what we need, whether it's offensively, whether it's defensively or maybe, maybe even special teams that can get us over the hump so we can be in the conversation and being in games like this next year, being la, what would you do?
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Trevor Lawrence
You said if I had my GM.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Here, if you put your GM hat, you're not Trevor Lawrence the player, man.
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Trevor Lawrence
That'S a, that's a good question.
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Host/Interviewer
Resign atn.
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Trevor Lawrence
That's a great, that's a great start. That's my guy. I'VE been with him eight years. I mean, college, eight years. Yeah. So I'm. I'm hoping we get Travis back. I mean, he's. He's great player. I'm hoping we get him back. So that's a great starting point. I think. You look at our team, we have some guys that are free agents. So you gotta. You gotta figure out who. Who's gonna come back, who's gonna be a part of it. I think, obviously, the year we had and what we were set up to do fell short in the wild card. But we feel really good about our team and how we matched up. I don't feel like we ever stepped on the field, and we're like, man, this team's better than us. Didn't ever feel that way. So you want to try to get as many guys as possible back, but it's not always realistic. So I don't even know if I could put my GM hat on. I don't know how the salary cap.
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Host/Interviewer
Works, but it's going up.
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Trevor Lawrence
I think it's going up.
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Kyle Juszczyk
I know that.
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Trevor Lawrence
So we get fine, and we got a great owner that's willing to do what it takes to keep guys around. So I'm hoping we get all that figured out. Travis would be awesome to keep. And then I think you look at our defense. Blew some guys. Devin Lloyd's a free agent. He had a great year. I mean, you look at what he did, he's. I mean, arguably the best linebacker in the league. So got some stuff to figure out. And I think there's guys that are a key part of what we're doing. But at the end of the day, you know, I don't make those decisions. But I think we have the relationship in our building where our input is valued.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
So, yeah, you know, we'll see. Especially your input.
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Trevor Lawrence
Yeah, no doubt.
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Host/Interviewer
So you.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
How.
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Host/Interviewer
How to. The Purple Hurricane is going to do.
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Trevor Lawrence
This year to go about to Cartersville?
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Stugots
Huh?
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Trevor Lawrence
Know about Cartersville? I'm hoping. Good, man.
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Host/Interviewer
It's you and Ronnie Brown. Ronnie. Ronnie, Ronnie.
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Trevor Lawrence
Oh, Ronnie's the man.
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Host/Interviewer
Yeah.
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Trevor Lawrence
Ronnie's the man. Yeah, he's. I'm hoping. Good. We need to get. We need to get back. Get another state championship. It's been a little while, so we played in a couple, but we need to. We need to win one.
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Host/Interviewer
You know what? And we're gonna get you out on this. Now, your name. When they talk about great quarterbacks in the afc. Trevor Lawrence getting mentioned because of Liam Cohen comes in there and what you've been what you've been able to do this season. So the Patrick Mahomes and the Joe Burrow and Lamar Jackson and the Josh Allens, and guess what, Trevor Lawrence, is that what you've always hoped for? Because a lot of times, like, man, look, this guy was the number one consensus from the day he stepped foot on Clemson. Everybody said, three years from today, he'll be the first player selected in the NFL draft. So you've had a lot of pressure, and you've met those expectations. You went to college, you won a national championship as a true freshman. Doesn't happen very often. You get back and. But you ran into that historic, great 2019 LSU team. You're the first one to pick in the draft, and you had some success. What you have, you walk Sandy, the Chargers down. They were up 20 to 27, nothing. You walk them down. So now, to hear people, the way they talk about you now, as opposed to the way they talked about you in the past, does that make you feel good? Like, you know what? I'm turning the corner. I'm starting to be the player that I thought I could become.
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Trevor Lawrence
Yeah, I think it's. Man, people have said a lot of stuff about me for a long time. So I. I try not to.
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Host/Interviewer
Try not to hear too much.
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Trevor Lawrence
No, I try not to listen too much of it. I know. I've seen. I mean, you asked people a year ago, people thought I sucked. So, I mean, I don't think you can listen to too much. I've always known what I'm capable of, and it's been frustrating at times. You know, obviously I haven't played as well as I know I can, but now having the foundation in place, the confidence in what we're doing, the system, the scheme, our personnel got a lot of great players, have a lot of confidence in that. And for me, it's not about what people think if I'm in that conversation or not. It's just about winning games. But naturally, when you win, that happens. So I'm proud of what we were able to do this year. Not for people to say that, you know, I'm one of the better quarterbacks in the league, but just because our team is one of the better teams in the league. And that's what happens when you play well as a team, when you play and you have to play well at the quarterback position. So naturally that stuff's going to happen. And hopefully next year we have another conversation and I'm playing in this game. Here we go. But as much fun it is as it is talking to you guys, but.
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Host/Interviewer
You want to be. Want to be in this game.
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Trevor Lawrence
No doubt.
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Host/Interviewer
So here he is. Quarterback. Jacksonville Jaguars promoting Z. Bo, the flying insect trap. Trevor Lawrence. Trev, thanks for stopping by. Appreciate your show.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Don't forget to put that word in for me to come.
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Patrick Willis
All right?
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Trevor Lawrence
Come on.
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Sauce Gardner
I appreciate it.
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Trevor Lawrence
A coach I didn't know.
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Host/Interviewer
You want to go?
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
No, I want to play.
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Sauce Gardner
You want to play?
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Host/Interviewer
Yeah, I want to play a couple snaps in you. No.
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Trevor Lawrence
Yeah, he got a couple block duo insert for the safety.
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Sauce Gardner
There we go.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Perfect.
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Host/Interviewer
Appreciate you.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Thank you.
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Host/Interviewer
Ready? All right, next. Coming to the Colts, rise receiver. He's a 20, 22nd round pick out of USC this season. 80 catches, 784 yards, seven touchdowns. The Colts finished 8, 9, 3rd in the AFC. Man, the dream season. It started off so great for him. They were 8 and 2 to start the season. The quarterback gets injured, and they lost seven in a row. Michael Pittman Jr. How you doing, bro?
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
People, they do babies.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
How are you guys?
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Good to see you.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
Yes, sir, likewise.
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Host/Interviewer
Well, you had that great start. Y' all were 8 and 2, riding high. Y' all the number one seed in the AFC at the time. And then your quarterback gets injured, and you tried a lot of different things. You end up getting Philip Rivers off his couch after five years. But how disappointing was it for you guys this season? See a promising season go basically go down the drain because of an injury to your quarterback?
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Michael Pittman Jr.
Yeah, I mean, obviously it's tough. I mean, like, just like, hearing that back again, man, because like, we thought we were on our way to. To the playoff run. AFC South. I mean, or South. I mean, everything was just out there, and just the fact that it came kind of almost like crashing down, like, after, like, Dan got hurt. But just know that he's coming back and we still have that same core guys and. And that we feel like we could do the same thing again, so. And then, God willing, that everybody stays healthy because we had a string of bad luck, you know, like, just like, with, like, our DBs, with. With obviously Daniel. So. So like it, you know, even as a player.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
How surprised were you? Because even I was surprised. How surprised were you that when Daniel James. Daniel Jones came in as a quarterback, everything changed. He looked like a damn generational talent. He changed everything around about that franchise, especially with the way you guys are playing at the beginning of the season before his injury.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
Absolutely. I mean, I wasn't so shocked because. Because, like, the way that he showed up, like, just like in camp, like, we were doing that. So. And then we went to, like, joint practices and we were still doing that. So. So it didn't really shock me going 8 and 2. Like, like now. I didn't necessarily see that.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
So like, when like we went on that run, I'm like, oh, shit.
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Host/Interviewer
Like just.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
You know what I'm saying? Like, just like we like, got a squat right and our offense was rolling at like, historic pace.
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Host/Interviewer
Yes.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
And. And we thought we were on to something. And then like I said, injuries, it all comes crashing down. But we got to find ways to win, like, no matter what because, you know, like, there's lots of CH teams that.
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Stugots
Stugatz here. I have a podcast empire. It continues to grow, and I have brought it here to iHeart. I'm also doing a live radio show from 3 to 5pm Eastern because my wife wanted to kick me out of the house. It's called Stigots and company Live, which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes every single day. Some of the biggest names in sports, a lot of phone calls.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
I love you guys show.
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Host/Interviewer
It's one of my favorites.
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Stugots
A lot of interaction. Guys not taking themselves too seriously. Those are just some of the things that you can expect from Stugouts Co. And Stugatson Co. LIVE. So listen to Stegotson Co. LIVE and our original podcast. Please subscribe, rate and review Stugatson Co. And God bless football. Taylor's livelihood depends on it. Do it today and you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.
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Trevor Lawrence
Seems like just yesterday that the two Guys five Rings podcast was in Paris for the Olympics. And now we're heading to Milan for the 2026 Milan Cortina Olympic Winter Games.
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Host/Interviewer
I'm Bowen Yang.
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Trevor Lawrence
And I'm Matt Rogers. And we'll join athletes from 93 countries as Two Guys Five Rings hits the Italian Alps for the 2026 Milan Cortina Olympic Winter Games. Open your free iHeartradio app. Did we mention it's free? Search Two Guys Five Rings and listen now.
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Host/Interviewer
And the winner of the iHeart podcast award is.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
You can decide who takes home the 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards Podcast of the.
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Host/Interviewer
Year by voting at iHeartPodcastAwards.com now through February 22nd. See all the nominees and place your vote at iHeartPodcastAwards dot com Audible is.
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Trevor Lawrence
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Trevor Lawrence
Audible.
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Host/Interviewer
There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial@Audible.com battle that.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
You know, I just. I think that the 49ers struggling with, like, injuries and they were able to make a nice run. So we just got to find ways to get it done, like, regardless.
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Host/Interviewer
Yeah. And you look at you guys offensive, you got Jonathan Taylor can run the football yourself. Pierce, you got Warren at tight end. Your offensive line was a little banged up, but you still have an outstanding offensive line. What are you guys. How do you so. And because this is a very tough division now. Oh, yeah, you got the Houston, Texas, you got the Jags. You guys are in that division. You see, they made a change in Tennessee with their coaching staff, with their coaches staff. And so now this division, what, you know, maybe it would take, you know, 10 games to win the division. It's probably going to take 12, 13 games to win this division moving forward. Unless something unforeseen were to happen.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, like, just knowing that there's some really good defenses in the AFC south right now. I mean, Houston's, like, defensive front. I mean, and they're like DBs now. I mean, crazy, crazy ballers. So.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
Just know that, you know, like, it's going to be a battle, like, every time that we play those teams, them, the Jags and Tennessee, like, it's coming up, you know, Like, I think that Cam Ward is a really talented guy and I think they're gonna build kind of like just like around him. And, like, I think that he's going to keep getting better, too. So it ain't gonna be easy.
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Host/Interviewer
You guys lost Seattle, 18, 16.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
Yeah.
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Host/Interviewer
And everybody that's come on here, they have picked the Seahawks to win the Super Bowl.
- [21:45]
Michael Pittman Jr.
Yeah.
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Host/Interviewer
What makes them so good on both sides of the football? Because you had an up close look. You're on the field against their defense. You're on the sideline watching their offense. What makes them so good?
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Michael Pittman Jr.
I think they play really good complimentary football, and I think they don't make a lot of mistakes. Right. Like, I think that they're well coached. I think that their defensive line is really good. Obviously, Sam is playing great. I mean, Jackson Smith is putting up crazy numbers, so they kind of got, like, the full package.
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Host/Interviewer
And.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
And like, I kind of am, like, leaning towards them too.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Say.
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Host/Interviewer
Yeah, I think. I think it's going to be an unbelievable game. I. I think the thing is, people that might be selling the Patriots a little short.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
Yeah.
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Host/Interviewer
Because, you know, they don't have the big name they don't have a guy like a Jackson.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
Yeah.
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Host/Interviewer
They don't have, you know, Sam. I mean, and Drake May is going to end the MVP discussion. We'll find out tonight who wins the mvp. Yeah, for me, I. If I had a vote, I probably would have voted for Matthew Stafford.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
Oh, yeah.
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Host/Interviewer
You know, considering what he's done. But they're going to be right there. And you mentioned that defense. But you guys, I mean, they did a number. If you go back and look at them in the postseason, they've done. They've done an unbelievable job on a lot of teams. But you're able. It was a very, very close ball game. What. What. What do you think some of the things that the Patriots can do to take advantage. Because like you said, they're very good. They're very, very spoon and wollen. And then you got love. And then you got. I mean, they. They. They're good at all three levels.
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Trevor Lawrence
Yeah.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
I mean, like, I think the biggest thing that helped us was Philip was getting us, like, in the right place. And I don't know how. Like, there was one. I think it was a third down where they showed like a, like, all out blitz. And they ran up, like, just like on our. On our. On our hard count. And they like, ran up and showed blitz. And like, I'm like, okay, like, just like, they're like, just like all of.
- [23:32]
Host/Interviewer
Them are bringing it. Blow it up.
- [23:33]
Michael Pittman Jr.
And then Philip changes it to a. To a. To a zone, to a zone play. So, like, just like, I'm just like, looking at him crazy. Like, I'm like, yo, bro. Like, just like, like, just like they are bringing a house and then like, he snaps it and all of them just back out. Like, I was like, I have no idea, like, how he knew. Seen that because they all came so hard, like, on that, like, hard count. So. Yeah.
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Host/Interviewer
You have one year left on your deal.
- [24:01]
Michael Pittman Jr.
Yes.
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Host/Interviewer
You know, and your name did come up in some trade talk at the trade deadline. Is this something. Would you like to. Would you like to secure something long term? You got a huge cap number. They're probably going to look you. I'm not breaking news to you. I'm sure you and your representative have looked at this. Is there a possibility. Would you like to stay in Indy or you want. Whatever. Whatever works best for the team and the works best for Michael Pittman Jr. I'm amenable to him.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, obviously, Indy, like, is my home, and, like, I built, like, a lot of stuff there and, like, I would love to stay. But just know that NFL ball can take you places that, you know, like, you never thought that you'd be at. Right? And sometimes, like, that can be better. But I am planning on being here, like, in Indy, and until somebody tells me that I'm not. So, like, I'm all in, like, with the Colts. And I hope it to stay that way.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
I hope it stays that way, too, because I understand how valuable you are. Valuable you are for that team and that franchise and that offense. So I'm hoping, you know, it does happen. Who you here representing?
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Michael Pittman Jr.
Yes. So I am here on behalf of Oral B, the official toothbrush of the NFL. So we actually got our guy Blue here. He's got.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Blue. What's up, Blue.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
Thanks to the IO series toothbrush, huh?
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Sauce Gardner
Blue.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
So he's just getting it in. He's got the perfect smile from the perfect.
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Sauce Gardner
Hey, so.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Hey, Blue. I appreciate that, baby.
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Host/Interviewer
They got. You got a beer too, aren't you, Huh?
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
I ain't got no beer. It look like me, though. And they got the Cartiers, right?
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Michael Pittman Jr.
Yeah.
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Host/Interviewer
Yo, look at my glass.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
There you go, Blue.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Hey, Blue. I appreciate that, Blue.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
Yes, sir.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
That's live.
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Host/Interviewer
I like that. I actually. I actually used OR B, though. That's the only thing. Yeah, I've used orb, actually. I think I use. It might be. I don't know if it's a soft or medium. I think it's a 60 soft or 60 medium.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
There you go.
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Host/Interviewer
Clearly, I know what I'm talking about because I'm giving you the soft.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
Absolutely, absolutely. Because, like, the soft lights, like, bristles, like, just, like, are the best.
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Host/Interviewer
Yeah, yeah. This is unbelievable. I appreciate this.
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Patrick Willis
Hey.
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Host/Interviewer
Oo. They got a chain and everything.
- [26:10]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Look at the chain. I see the chain. You don't see the soccer jersey, though. See the soccer jersey? Talk about detail. They detail.
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Host/Interviewer
Chad, is this me? They do me right.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
They did me right. Because that's how I look when I laugh.
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Host/Interviewer
Man, this is unbelievable. Michael, thank you, man. Congratulations. Continued success. Hey, you're gonna be where you're supposed to be. But all you do once you get there, show up and show out.
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Trevor Lawrence
That's it.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
Absolutely. I appreciate that.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Hey, do me a small favor. When I have that wider workshop, I hope to see you.
- [26:40]
Michael Pittman Jr.
Okay.
- [26:40]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah, I hope to see you.
- [26:41]
Kristen Juszczyk
Yeah.
- [26:41]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Come on now. Come politic with the fellas, man.
- [26:43]
Trevor Lawrence
My pull up.
- [26:46]
Host/Interviewer
Oh, you like this, huh? Appreciate you, bro. Man, that's unbelievable.
- [26:53]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
She said hold it up one more time.
- [27:04]
Host/Interviewer
What water is this?
- [27:12]
Patrick Willis
Mr. Shar, how's it going?
- [27:13]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
How they do what?
- [27:14]
Patrick Willis
How's it going?
- [27:15]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Hey, man, life is good. I can't complain.
- [27:17]
Patrick Willis
Yes, sir.
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Host/Interviewer
You good?
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Patrick Willis
Doing great. Doing great. I can't complain.
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Sauce Gardner
Most definitely.
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Host/Interviewer
Joining us now is a Pro bowl linebacker hall of Famer for The San Francisco 49ers. Five deuce.
- [27:32]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Bam.
- [27:32]
Host/Interviewer
Bam. Ole Miss. He was very excited for his college team because they did make it advance to the college football playoffs, and they were very, very close to advancing into the national championship game. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen. Patrick Willis. Pat, what's going on, bro?
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Patrick Willis
Doing fabulous. Doing fabulous. Thank you guys for having me. Man, I can't believe I'm up here right now, man, beside you guys, man. I see you guys, like, almost every night, man.
- [27:54]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Pat, tell him that story, man. Tell him that story. I forgot what game I ran. You know, I ran him over. I caught him flipping.
- [28:00]
Patrick Willis
Huh?
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Now you can tell him, Pat. Just tell him.
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Host/Interviewer
It's okay.
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Trevor Lawrence
It's okay.
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Patrick Willis
No, I do remember, though, a lot of people don't. Don't know that Chad is the one who actually named.
- [28:09]
Trevor Lawrence
Gave me the.
- [28:09]
Patrick Willis
The nickname Bam Bam because you had the club. My. That was my rookie year. Either my rookie year or second year, we was getting ready to play Cincinnati and you was talking about me, whatnot. I just wanted to say, man, I really appreciate that.
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Trevor Lawrence
Still stick to this day.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah, most definitely. Most definitely. I never forget. What's the name of the stadium we played in? I can't remember. Yeah, I think. Was it.
- [28:29]
Patrick Willis
Yeah, Candlestick back then.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah, that was. That was my first and I think maybe my last time ever being here. Outside side of this visit now, so I haven't been here since. And the city's awesome. City's awesome. I really never had the time to. To come here and experience the city and, you know, travel and go around. The people are nice, very receptive to my. I love you. So I. I enjoyed it so far.
- [28:50]
Patrick Willis
I love. I love the Bay Area.
- [28:51]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Let me.
- [28:52]
Host/Interviewer
Let me ask you this. What's going on with all the injuries in San Fran? Because every year you guys have injuries and they're the key players. And sometimes, you know, look, you lost your quarterback for a period of time, but Mac Jones came in and played exceptionally well. You lose Bolsa for the entire season. I think Warner goes down and he misses like 10 games of the season. Williams, Big Trent, T Dub, he goes out for a period of time. He comes back. George Kittle misses time with a hamstring, comes back, tears the Achilles. What's going on with the injuries? Insane friend, man.
- [29:30]
Patrick Willis
Sharp That's a, that's a great question. What I'll say is we all know this game of football can. It's tough, you know, it's rough on the body. And, and those guys have played a lot of football. They've played a lot of football. And so I'm one of those type of people that I also do analysis, meaning, like, you know, you hope you have a career where you never have any injuries, but at the same time, man, there's, if you played a lot of football, you're going to have some.
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Host/Interviewer
Injuries, years of wear and tear.
- [29:59]
Patrick Willis
It builds up and, and those guys, and those guys, I don't, they're not old. I'm not calling them old, but they got some miles. They got some miles on their body in football years.
- [30:07]
Host/Interviewer
They old.
- [30:09]
Patrick Willis
So when I, So when I look at it, I just kind of look at it as one of those things that, how everything kind of es and flows. Like they just, in that period right now, it's got some older guys who played a lot of football, and it just, that's what, that's what comes with it. But I, I have heard a lot about, you know, the, the different conversations and stuff. So.
- [30:27]
Host/Interviewer
Pat, when, when you, when you play. Look, obviously you go to the, the, the, the Super bowl in 2012, you play the, you play the Ravens, and you guys came with a throw away. When you look back on your career, is there anything you, you wish you could have done differently? Is there anything you, I mean, you, you retired, but you weren't that old, Pat. You were. What was it? Yeah, and you, you walked away from the game at 29 years of age. Why?
- [31:00]
Patrick Willis
Truthfully, it was, it was a conversation I had with myself in the beginning, before I ever started playing this before. It was a conversation I had with myself my rookie year. I said, everything that starts has an end. And I remember seeing guys who were being young and being a fan of the sport. You've seen guys who just, I'm like, man, why, why are you standing? Why are you still out there? It doesn't like you want to give it everything you have. And I was a big fan of like, listen, if you out here and you ain't giving everything you have, I don't care what name you have or who they put in front of you. I'm not a fan of yours. I might be a fan of the special team guys that's getting everything they got. So I just remember getting to that, that point, and I didn't know it would come this fast, but I just remember getting to that point to where my body, my feet were hurting. The biggest thing with the corporate was my. Was my feet, them big toes.
- [31:45]
Host/Interviewer
Like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [31:46]
Patrick Willis
It got to the point where I couldn't even go through a walkthrough without having to put numbing cream on. I remember. I remember Kassim, man, he was my best friend. One season. One season he was with us because he introduced me to his numbing cream. And it helped for a while, but it just got to the point to where it would just take.
- [32:01]
Host/Interviewer
That didn't even help.
- [32:02]
Patrick Willis
Yeah. And it was taking more out of me. And I remember the conversation I had with myself and God, and it was almost like one of the things where the hardest thing in life sometimes to do is to be honest with yourself. And I just felt it looked around me and I said, you know what? It's time to step away before you mess around and start getting to the point to where they started seeing it and they started looking at them. All right? How can we get rid of them? And I know I didn't have it in my body to go anywhere else, go anywhere else than to give. To give that kind of love, to give that kind of heart that I had given to San Fran. I mean, as you just said, talking about the stadium candlestick is not there anymore. And it feels. It feels like in disbelief, like somebody that took my heart or something and just. Just said, we're just gonna crush it and just don't encourage you played here. And so that was home for me.
- [32:51]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
As difficult as that decision is, especially with the body, the mind knows what to do, but the body doesn't react. The body's not feeling the same way. Where, you know, I can't go out here and. And give it my all. The turn, the transition and having to leave and walk away from the game, how has that transition been for you mentally?
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Host/Interviewer
Yeah.
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Patrick Willis
I'll say this, man. We all go through that dark night of the soul where you find yourself in that space of, like, all right, you say, like, I'm all good, but, you know, deep down inside you, like, man, like, what is. What is going on? Just nothing just feels like it connects. Because I realized, and someone asked me, I realized that football, it's not.
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Host/Interviewer
It's not even been a part of.
- [33:36]
Patrick Willis
Your life, but it's the umbilical cord to life. Like, for a lot of us, it really is. And so I noticed, like, the last couple years, I've been fortunate to be back around the Niners after dibbling Dabbling in the entrepreneurial world a little bit. You realize, like, it's hard to build businesses out here, build something that's going to sustain to the point to where you can be comfortable and just, you know, like, make money. Yeah, make money. And so what I. What I learned in being back around in honors was just the. The everything that 100 years of business. So it's 75 years of business and. And what it takes, and then just working with people who are without. What we've come to know now, as in my. In my financial literacy talk. We call him. Is he just a guy? Is he a pro bowler or is he an all pro? And I was trying to do things with people that meant well, but they were just guys.
- [34:26]
Host/Interviewer
They were jagged. Just the guy.
- [34:28]
Patrick Willis
And we know what it's like when you're on a team and not speaking down anyone, but if you just got a team just full of guys, yeah, you might.
- [34:34]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
You can only get so far, but you only.
- [34:36]
Patrick Willis
You can only get so far. And so. So I say all that to say, man, the journey has been. Has been crazy. If I say it's been absolutely easy, even though I made the decision, I'll be lying to you. I just get up each day. Each day the Lord wakes me up. I just. I'm. I'm grateful because of so many reasons where I come from, everything I've had to overcome to get to just play football. And then really, the hardest part is I think football was actually the. The world got different. It got harder after football, you know, and so just to be able to be up here talking to you guys and be able to converse on it, like, I'm grateful.
- [35:12]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
That's dope.
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Host/Interviewer
That's Patrick Willis, ladies and gentlemen, all pro hall of Fame linebacker from The San Francisco 49ers. What you got?
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Sauce Gardner
Oh, oh, oh.
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Patrick Willis
Before I go. Before I go. Oh, before I go. I wanted to let everybody know that it's going down tomorrow at Lucky Strikes. We're doing Go bowling. So everybody. They won't let me stop this. Tomorrow is going down at Lucky Strikes Go Bowling, and NFL Alumni association is hosting attendees. We'll be going there, we'll be competing, but we want everybody to go to goboling.com and sign up and get you a free game.
- [35:50]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
I ready gobowling.com hey, you know, you know, I could. I bowled a 300. What?
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Host/Interviewer
Three.
- [35:55]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
I could bowl. Yeah, 300.
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Patrick Willis
Man, let me see it.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
I was on the pro circuit.
- [35:58]
Patrick Willis
Man, let me see.
- [35:59]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
I was on the pro circuit back in 97.
- [36:03]
Patrick Willis
Okay, let me see it.
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Host/Interviewer
Patrick Willis, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, guys.
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Patrick Willis
Man, you guys keep doing what you're doing. Yes, sir.
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Host/Interviewer
Thank you, man. Them toes ain't nothing to play with. Oh, yeah.
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Patrick Willis
I didn't get a chance to say. But your brother. Your brother. That's the guy right there.
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Host/Interviewer
Appreciate you.
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Patrick Willis
That was an honor to see him.
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Host/Interviewer
Appreciate that, Pat. Thank you.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
Me.
- [36:29]
Host/Interviewer
Okay. Oh, okay. Here. Kyle and Kristen. Okay.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Ready, fellas, when you both played in the super bowl, how did you know?
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Host/Interviewer
Both.
- [36:46]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Read it now or when they come. Fellas, when you both played in the super bowl, how did you handle the weak? Look, leading up to the game, mentally, physically, and emotionally, what was your approach like?
- [37:03]
Host/Interviewer
Y' all know what my approach is like. I'm strictly business. I was here to win a football game. The Super Bowl. The festivities are for the people that come. The game is for us. The game is not gonna happen until Sunday. So I didn't. I didn't care about what. I didn't care about who was having a party, what celebs was coming in town, what would this. Or what that was. That had. No. That wasn't for me. That was for my family. That was for all the people that was coming for the super bowl festivities. The super bowl, the game itself. That was for me. The families are getting in today. The families are arriving today. Now, the way we did it, Mike said, look, and Brian did the same thing. You can go to the family hotel, but your family cannot come here. We're not going to have kids running up and down the hallway. Even though your kids. You think your kids are cute and cuddly. Everybody don't think your kids are cute and cuddly.
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Sauce Gardner
Yeah.
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Host/Interviewer
Some of the guys want to rest. Some of these guys. Hey, come on in here. We'll talk about this later. How you doing?
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
What's up, man?
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Michael Pittman Jr.
How you doing?
- [38:07]
Trevor Lawrence
Brother Sharp.
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Host/Interviewer
Nice to meet you. Ah, how are you?
- [38:11]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
What up, twin?
- [38:12]
Kyle Juszczyk
He said, what up, twin?
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Host/Interviewer
Joining us now is Kyle and Christian Youth check. The 49ers. Fullback, 2013. Fourth round pick out of Harvard.
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Kyle Juszczyk
Yes, sir.
- [38:24]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Well, you went to Harvard, too?
- [38:25]
Kyle Juszczyk
Yes. Hey, he's one of our most famous alumni.
- [38:29]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Thank you. Hey, I try to tell him all the time I was there, they never believed me. So I'm glad you're here to attest to that.
- [38:35]
Kyle Juszczyk
I've seen your picture on the wall.
- [38:36]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Thank you.
- [38:37]
Kristen Juszczyk
I also like to tell people I went to Harvard.
- [38:42]
Host/Interviewer
4Th round draft pick from Harvard. He started his career with the Ravens 2013-2016, and now he's present with the 49ers from 2017 until present talk. And we just had Patrick Willis on here and, you know, he retired at 29 years of age. He said the injury, his toes had just taken his toll on him. The injuries this year, you get pie goes down. M. Jones play really well, keep you guys afloat. Kittle hurts his hamstring. He misses some time, comes back tears as a Keeley Trent Dub T Dub, he goes down. I mean, Bosa, he goes down. Fred Warner, he goes down. How were you able. The injuries, that's one thing. But how were you guys able to keep this thing afloat while so many. So many injuries were piling up?
- [39:24]
Kyle Juszczyk
Yeah, you know what? I really think it comes down just to the culture that we've built in Cisco, and it truly is that next man up mentality. And it sounds cliche. Nobody wants to hear it, but I really do think that we've. We've set this standard that when guys go down, like, they know, okay, I need to be up to this standard if I want to stick around here. So I think we just did a really good job of having that standard, and guys were ready to meet it when they got their opportunity.
- [39:50]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
The funny thing I always want to ask. I've watched you play many of years. The value that you bring to a team. You think about the game and how the game has evolved and now it's a passing league, being a fullback. But that's the funny thing. You're not just a fullback. They can put you in the slot. Hell, they can line your ass up out wide and you can actually run routes just like he pulled them up.
- [40:08]
Host/Interviewer
Like, y' all dangle throw me.
- [40:10]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
But how did you get yourself to a point where you're so valuable to any of the 32 teams that you would play on?
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Kyle Juszczyk
Yeah.
- [40:17]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Despite the game evolving the way it.
- [40:19]
Kyle Juszczyk
Has forever dating all the way back to high school, like, my thing has always been versatility and being able to adapt. And as a fullback, you. You better be able to adapt because each year you kind of. You got to find something that you're adding value to.
- [40:34]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yes.
- [40:34]
Kyle Juszczyk
And every year of my career has been different. Like, there were a few years back in Baltimore where, I mean, I was really playing short yardage, goal line. And then that, I mean, that's not enough to just have a roster spot. So you better play deep or you.
- [40:46]
Trevor Lawrence
Better play special team.
- [40:47]
Kyle Juszczyk
And then I became a third down running back.
- [40:49]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yes.
- [40:49]
Kyle Juszczyk
So I started, you know, I learned all the protections. And so every year I've had to find that niche of like, all right, what is this team need this year and how can I fill that? And it's just been a strength of mine and I think that's a a big part of.
- [41:05]
Stugots
Stugatz here. I have a podcast empire. It continues to grow and I have brought it here to Ivar. I'm also doing a live radio show from 3 to 5pm Eastern because my wife wanted to kick me out of the house. It's called Stugots and Company Live, which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes every single day. Some of the biggest names in sports, a lot of phone calls.
- [41:30]
Michael Pittman Jr.
I love you guys show.
- [41:31]
Host/Interviewer
It's one of my favorites.
- [41:32]
Stugots
A lot of interaction, guys not taking themselves too seriously. Those are just some of the things that you can expect from Stugots Co. And Stugots Co. Live. So listen to Stugots Co. Live and our original podcast. Please subscribe, rate and review. Review Stugots Co. And God bless football. Taylor's livelihood depends on it. Do it today and you can check all of those out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.
- [42:06]
Trevor Lawrence
Seems like just yesterday that the two Guys five Rings podcast was in Paris for the Olympics and now we're heading.
- [42:12]
Host/Interviewer
To Milan for the 2026 Milan Cortina Olympic Winter Game.
- [42:16]
Trevor Lawrence
I'm Bowen Yang. And I'm Matt Rogers. And we'll join athletes from 93 countries as Two Guys Five Rings hits the Italian Alps for the 2026 Milan Cortina Olympic Winter Games. Open your free iHeartradio app. Did we mention it's free? Search Two Guys Five Rings and listen now.
- [42:36]
Host/Interviewer
And the winner of the iHeart podcast award is.
- [42:39]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
You can decide who takes home the 2026 IHeart Podcast Awards Podcast of the.
- [42:44]
Host/Interviewer
Year by voting at iheartpodcastawards.com now through February February 22nd. See all the nominees and place your.
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Chad Johnson (Ocho)
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- [42:54]
Trevor Lawrence
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- [42:59]
Host/Interviewer
And originals all in one easy app.
- [43:01]
Trevor Lawrence
Audible.
- [43:02]
Host/Interviewer
There's more to imagine when you listen. Sign up for a free trial@audible.com Christy, you did the better half of this gentleman right here. You attend every single game.
- [43:14]
Kristen Juszczyk
I do.
- [43:16]
Host/Interviewer
Road home overseas, Alaska. It does not matter. Why is it so important for you to be at every single one of his games?
- [43:23]
Kristen Juszczyk
Yeah, well, there's so many reasons. I mean it's such a short lived career and we know that these are our glory days. And I never want to miss out on just these special moments, being there. We've had so many amazing moments. I mean, there was a moment in Seattle that being Claire Kittle, who I traveled all the games with, we actually got a seat in the end zone, and we were first row in the end zone. George scores, and he jumps into the suite with us next. The next drive. Kyle scores in the end zone, jumps into the suite with us. And those memories are just burned into our souls. And those are the reasons. That's the reason why we go.
- [43:54]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
One of the things I do want to ask also is we never get to see the two. We never get to see the union. How you're able to balance the work and also keep a healthy balance in a relationship.
- [44:04]
Kristen Juszczyk
Yeah. To be honest, I think for us, it just comes so naturally. It's not something that we really needed to work. Work on. We just genuinely like spending time with each other and loving each other. And I think that's my biggest piece of advice for relationships. Like, if it's real work, then that's not the right person for you.
- [44:18]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Right?
- [44:18]
Kyle Juszczyk
Right.
- [44:18]
Kristen Juszczyk
I think it should come now.
- [44:19]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Say that again. If it's not, what if it's real.
- [44:22]
Kristen Juszczyk
Work, it's not the right person for you.
- [44:25]
Michael Pittman Jr.
People.
- [44:26]
Kyle Juszczyk
People always say that marriage is so hard. And, like, read the other like.
- [44:30]
Kristen Juszczyk
Or, like, read the marriage books. I'm like, if you gotta read a book on marriage, you're not married to the right person.
- [44:34]
Stugots
Like that.
- [44:35]
Michael Pittman Jr.
Okay.
- [44:36]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Because, you know, me and uncle, he's.
- [44:37]
Host/Interviewer
Like, I'm throwing away all.
- [44:39]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Me and uncle, we think about getting married in 2027 and having a dual wedding, you know? You know, I love it. Yeah, we love it, too. I think. I think you guys. We need therapists. We need therapists. And the fact that you guys haven't figured out, you could counsel us.
- [44:53]
Kyle Juszczyk
We got you.
- [44:54]
Kristen Juszczyk
I like to add that to my resume.
- [44:55]
Host/Interviewer
But you hear this a lot, Claire, and you can speak to this. This is more so. Because you're going to do what you do. You understand? You got practice.
- [45:02]
Trevor Lawrence
You understand?
- [45:02]
Host/Interviewer
We got meeting. I got to live. I got to watch tape. Talk about the sacrifices that the significant other, girlfriend, wife, whatever the case may be, that they have to make. Because there are a lot of times he can't go to pta. There's a lot of time he can't go to recitals. There's a lot of times he can't pick the kids up. And you have to do that, but you have to be Accepting because sometimes people, the partner gets upset. Why you can't do it? Well, can you go run a go route? Can you go sack the quarterback? And then we'll switch roles for a second. Talk about some of the sacrifices that, that you have to make to keep this. Because you're the rock, you're the foundation piece. Because you keep his mind at ease. Because he knows everything is taken care of home.
- [45:42]
Kristen Juszczyk
Well, to be honest, I think that's the main reason why we haven't had children yet, to be honest. Because I think I want him to be able to spend those late night at the facility if he needs to get extra rehab. I don't want him to feel like he needs to come home and have to take care of things. I want again, it's a short, short lived career. I want him to be selfish. I won't ever want him to look back at this period of his life and think that I wish I did more or I wish I did this. So I, we've kind of pushed that off and we know we have our whole lives to have a family together. So. And to I have my own career path as well. And he's been incredibly supportive on that. I think that to be honest is the perfect recipe. If you're sitting at home and you're constantly waiting for him to come home is I think when maybe animosity builds up, up. So for me, I'm working and trying to build my own dreams and my own careers. So when he comes home, we're just happy to share what our day has been like with each other.
- [46:33]
Kyle Juszczyk
Yeah.
- [46:33]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Did you hear what she said? She understands the sacrifice. She understands what goes into it. She understands what it entails to actually be an NFL play. NFL player.
- [46:43]
Host/Interviewer
Yeah.
- [46:43]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Once you have someone that understands the sacrifices to get it. You know what, baby, I get it. We gonna put certain things on the back burner because I know this is what you have to do. This is what comes first.
- [46:51]
Kristen Juszczyk
Absolutely. It was his dream since he even knew the word football. So I would never want to take anything away from that.
- [46:57]
Host/Interviewer
But you but, and we've heard this. Ocho and I, we both heard this. And, but you say you understand and you want that, but did you realize how much of a sacrifice that it entailed before you got with this gentleman?
- [47:10]
Kristen Juszczyk
I don't think it's that much of a sacrifice. I think he's following his dreams and it's admirable. Like I, I, he really did. Like I wake up every day, he's so happy to go to work. He's not like, I love my job, man. The fact that he even calls it work is hilarious. And so to be honest, I think, and I'm not trying to take away from how much time and commitment he puts into it, but out of all the other professional sports, I think it's almost the most similar to a 9 to 5. Like, he doesn't. He plays 17 games in the regular season. It's not like he's playing a game every other day.
- [47:42]
Host/Interviewer
Baseball.
- [47:43]
Kristen Juszczyk
Yeah. So I think the NFL is obviously a huge commitment, not trying to take that away whatsoever, but I think he balances it really well. And we have four months off together.
- [47:53]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah.
- [47:54]
Kristen Juszczyk
To do whatever we want.
- [47:55]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
I like it. I like it.
- [47:56]
Host/Interviewer
You mentioned you. Your own dreams and aspirations. You, you started out sewing pieces just for basically for yourself and him. And then someone like, well, how can I get that? And he's like, and whose idea was it? Like, babe, I'm gonna turn this into a business or you can turn this into a business.
- [48:14]
Kristen Juszczyk
Yeah, I think I really, I was doing it for myself, truly, just because I didn't like what was offered at the store.
- [48:21]
Host/Interviewer
You didn't like the gift shop here?
- [48:23]
Kristen Juszczyk
No, I did not.
- [48:24]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
The pink shirts and the V necks.
- [48:27]
Kristen Juszczyk
There was not enough options for me. So, I mean, it just was like a natural progression. And then there was this one time that I was at a game and I was looking around, it was a freezing game, and every guy there is wearing this huge puffer jacket and they have a jersey over their puffer jacket. And I'm just like, why has there never been a jacket that has the players name a number on it? So you can be cold and you're not like restricted wearing a jersey over jacket. So that was kind of like my light bulb moment. And then when I made my first so called jersey puffer vest is when I was like, o, I'm on to something.
- [48:56]
Host/Interviewer
Yeah.
- [48:56]
Stugots
Oh, yeah.
- [48:57]
Host/Interviewer
Have you always. Have you always been good with. With, you know, sewing and putting things together?
- [49:02]
Kristen Juszczyk
To be honest, no, I didn't go to school for fashion. I was a business major. But like, I come from a family of entrepreneurs who are just kind of like the figure it out kind of gritty people. And so I just was like, I'll go to YouTube and I'll learn how to do it.
- [49:14]
Host/Interviewer
Damn.
- [49:15]
Michael Pittman Jr.
That's what I did.
- [49:15]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
That's dope.
- [49:17]
Host/Interviewer
I Hear people say YouTube can teach you anything you achieve. University 15. You just finished your 15th season, right?
- [49:24]
Kyle Juszczyk
Just finished 13.
- [49:24]
Host/Interviewer
13. How much? I mean, there aren't a whole lot of fullbacks. You and Richard up in Baltimore, y' all are really the true fullbacks. Everybody else, they'll bring an offense or defensive lineman in on short yardage, but there's really you two guys left. How many have you said. Have you. You sat down with. With Christian and have you guys mapped out, you know what? Babe, I want to play two more years. Babe, I want to play three more years. Or you want to play as long as. As long as a God will give you health and allow you to do it. It seems to me that she's going to be very supportive, and she's not putting a time limit on when you guys can just. You know.
- [49:57]
Kyle Juszczyk
That's exactly right, is she's been super supportive that as long as I want to play, she's on board. And the way I look at it is as long as I'm healthy and I'm still having fun, like, I'm gonna keep doing it. And so everyone, you know, when you get to this stage, especially after, like, 10 years. How many more years?
- [50:14]
Host/Interviewer
One at a time.
- [50:15]
Kyle Juszczyk
And that.
- [50:16]
Sauce Gardner
And that is the truth, man.
- [50:17]
Kyle Juszczyk
Like, you really take it one year at a time. And I like to even push it to. All right, let's go two years at Timeless.
- [50:23]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
So nobody.
- [50:24]
Host/Interviewer
Nobody's giving me.
- [50:26]
Kyle Juszczyk
Yeah, we'd like another guarantee.
- [50:29]
Patrick Willis
But I.
- [50:30]
Kyle Juszczyk
Feel so good right now, and I'm having so much fun. Like, I. I can't even envision what it's like to stop playing yet. So I'm not gonna, you know, put a inline at it.
- [50:39]
Patrick Willis
Let's.
- [50:40]
Kyle Juszczyk
I'm gonna tell you guys, I'm gonna tell everyone else at least two more.
- [50:43]
Sauce Gardner
Yeah.
- [50:43]
Kyle Juszczyk
And then we'll go one at a time.
- [50:44]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
The funny thing about it is, is there's really no time there on. On you and how long you can play because of the value that you bring to the team. There aren't too many where there ain't none that can do what you do. Right.
- [50:54]
Kyle Juszczyk
I appreciate.
- [50:55]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
There's only one other, and he's on a team.
- [50:57]
Host/Interviewer
And.
- [50:57]
Kyle Juszczyk
And you're not seeing too many fullbacks in college, so.
- [51:00]
Michael Pittman Jr.
Bingo.
- [51:00]
Kyle Juszczyk
You're not seeing anyone getting drafted.
- [51:02]
Host/Interviewer
It's a thankless job. Yeah. They give you a fourth and one. And when you don't get it. How could you not get it, bro?
- [51:08]
Kyle Juszczyk
Because the whole team's teeing off right now.
- [51:11]
Host/Interviewer
There were 12 guys. There was 12 guys.
- [51:13]
Kyle Juszczyk
There was 12 guys in that.
- [51:14]
Host/Interviewer
Well, congratulations, man. Kristen.
- [51:16]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Definitely.
- [51:17]
Host/Interviewer
It was very nice to meet you, Kyle.
- [51:18]
Kyle Juszczyk
Great.
- [51:19]
Host/Interviewer
Congratulations, man.
- [51:20]
Sauce Gardner
Tell Bobby another Harvard Alumni, man.
- [51:22]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yes, sir.
- [51:23]
Host/Interviewer
Tell Bobby what's up.
- [51:24]
Kyle Juszczyk
Oh, I definitely. Hey, before we leave, we do have to mention Invisalign.
- [51:29]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Oh, yeah.
- [51:30]
Kyle Juszczyk
They're the reason we're here today.
- [51:31]
Trevor Lawrence
Okay.
- [51:31]
Kyle Juszczyk
And I'm just like Ocho here. I'm a nut about my health. You know, everything I put into my body, I make sure it's the absolute best, just like Ocho. And Invisalign is huge for oral health. And oral health is just another component of your overall health. And I always look at it, if I can improve any part of my body, that's going to improve part of my game. And so Invisalign has helped with that, and in my mind, is helping me with.
- [51:57]
Kristen Juszczyk
Yeah, they're such an amazing company. I've worked with them for three years now. So it's amazing to have Kyle finally on board. Yeah, they do so much for women in sports and just, like, confidence building. So we're just happy to partner with them again. I also have another thing for you guys.
- [52:10]
Host/Interviewer
You saw those bags? Yes.
- [52:12]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
We got gifts.
- [52:13]
Kyle Juszczyk
We got gifts.
- [52:14]
Kristen Juszczyk
I brought you guys my super bowl jackets.
- [52:16]
Host/Interviewer
Wow.
- [52:17]
Kristen Juszczyk
I don't have the right size for you.
- [52:18]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
I'm a large.
- [52:19]
Kristen Juszczyk
You're a large. I'll get you a large. I have an XL and a large.
- [52:22]
Host/Interviewer
Okay. I might be able.
- [52:23]
Kristen Juszczyk
I gotta get you an xl then.
- [52:24]
Host/Interviewer
I think I might.
- [52:25]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
No, no, he's. He's xl. I'm the largest.
- [52:26]
Kristen Juszczyk
No, I'm gonna get you the large.
- [52:28]
Host/Interviewer
I think that might fit you.
- [52:29]
Sauce Gardner
I don't think I can fit that out.
- [52:33]
Host/Interviewer
Okay. Shelly says she could fit.
- [52:35]
Kristen Juszczyk
You want. I can get you a 2x.
- [52:36]
Host/Interviewer
But you know what? I want you to. Can you make. Can you make us a.
- [52:40]
Kristen Juszczyk
You want a nightcap jacket?
- [52:41]
Host/Interviewer
Yeah.
- [52:42]
Kristen Juszczyk
I'll put it on.
- [52:42]
Sauce Gardner
It.
- [52:42]
Kristen Juszczyk
I'll put it on. I'll figure it out.
- [52:44]
Kyle Juszczyk
She'll figure it out.
- [52:45]
Kristen Juszczyk
Let's see.
- [52:48]
Kyle Juszczyk
Throw that out.
- [52:48]
Patrick Willis
I'll chill.
- [52:49]
Kristen Juszczyk
Come on.
- [52:50]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah.
- [52:50]
Host/Interviewer
Off.
- [52:51]
Sauce Gardner
Sexy, bro.
- [52:53]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah. Hey, how'd it look?
- [52:55]
Kristen Juszczyk
That looks amazing.
- [52:56]
Sauce Gardner
Incredible.
- [52:57]
Kyle Juszczyk
Yeah, incredible. Fits great, too.
- [52:59]
Kristen Juszczyk
Yeah, it's amazing.
- [53:00]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah.
- [53:01]
Kyle Juszczyk
So that goes crazy.
- [53:02]
Kristen Juszczyk
All right, I'll get you the 2X.
- [53:03]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
You need a model, let me know.
- [53:04]
Kristen Juszczyk
Okay, perfect.
- [53:06]
Host/Interviewer
I definitely.
- [53:08]
Kristen Juszczyk
Could.
- [53:08]
Host/Interviewer
You. What do you wear, X or 2XL? Okay.
- [53:11]
Kyle Juszczyk
You might need a 2X.
- [53:12]
Kristen Juszczyk
All right, I'll get you the 2X. I'll send it over here.
- [53:15]
Host/Interviewer
All right. Thank you.
- [53:15]
Trevor Lawrence
I can keep it? You can keep that.
- [53:16]
Kristen Juszczyk
It's for you. Hope you guys like it.
- [53:19]
Host/Interviewer
Thank you so much.
- [53:20]
Kyle Juszczyk
Appreciate you guys.
- [53:21]
Host/Interviewer
Appreciate you.
- [53:21]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
It's a pleasure.
- [53:22]
Sauce Gardner
Baby.
- [53:22]
Kyle Juszczyk
You look incredible.
- [53:23]
Patrick Willis
Thank you.
- [53:23]
Trevor Lawrence
Thanks, guys.
- [53:24]
Kristen Juszczyk
Hope you like it.
- [53:25]
Host/Interviewer
Kyle and Christian, you, fullback for The San Francisco 49ers. Made another pro Bowl. He's one of the great fullbacks in the NFL. He's played for an extremely long time. He's applied. He's played at an extremely, extremely high level. And his wife, as you can see, she's very, very supportive in it. And you see why. They, they're. They're one of the cutest couples in the NFL. Very supportive. Very supportive.
- [53:51]
Kyle Juszczyk
Hey.
- [53:54]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Can you hear me?
- [53:54]
Host/Interviewer
Yeah. Yeah.
- [53:56]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Do you know. No, don't look up there, man. Look up there. It's too late. He done read it now, man. Hey, do you know who Darth Vader daughter is?
- [54:06]
Host/Interviewer
Let me guess, it's another joke.
- [54:09]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Do you know who Darth Vader's daughter is?
- [54:11]
Host/Interviewer
Darth Vader's daughter. Darth Vader's daughter.
- [54:23]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Darth Vader's daughter. He only had one daughter.
- [54:30]
Host/Interviewer
No. What's. What's the name?
- [54:32]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Elevator.
- [54:39]
Sauce Gardner
Oh. Let's go, man.
- [54:42]
Host/Interviewer
That was great. That. That is great. I mean, you. You could. I mean, look, I've never. I've never met Kyle and Kristen. You. But they seem to genuinely, genuinely love each other.
- [54:53]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah. Yeah, most.
- [54:54]
Host/Interviewer
They seem to be genuinely, you know, like, so supportive of one another.
- [55:00]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yes.
- [55:01]
Host/Interviewer
And she says, I get it. I understand he has to get extra treatment. I get it that he has to study.
- [55:06]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
I'm not trying to rush him home.
- [55:08]
Sauce Gardner
Yes.
- [55:09]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Hey, now, how many would be understanding of that? If you think about it, think about your experiences. I think about my experiences when I was playing. Did I have the time? What was it, mama? Where y' all going? You. You going somewhere right now?
- [55:23]
Host/Interviewer
Come on.
- [55:24]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Can we get five minutes or. No, get five. You done?
- [55:27]
Host/Interviewer
Come on, man.
- [55:28]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
That's what I'm talking about.
- [55:31]
Sauce Gardner
Huh?
- [55:33]
Host/Interviewer
Ah, you good?
- [55:34]
Trevor Lawrence
I'm good.
- [55:36]
Host/Interviewer
Man, we looking for you last night, man.
- [55:38]
Trevor Lawrence
I just got here this morning.
- [55:39]
Host/Interviewer
Oh, you just got here this morning. Y' all see who it is? 2020, huh? Yeah. Former rookie of the year, Washington Commanders quarterback. Leave it up. How you doing, man?
- [56:03]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
I'm good.
- [56:03]
Trevor Lawrence
What's up?
- [56:04]
Host/Interviewer
I'm good. I'm good, bro. How you feeling?
- [56:06]
Trevor Lawrence
I'm feeling real good.
- [56:07]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
You.
- [56:07]
Host/Interviewer
Have you. Have you started. Have you started off season conditioning yet? Are you giving your. Your body a chance to heal up and get ready to start a long time to.
- [56:14]
Trevor Lawrence
Hello? I already started. I started.
- [56:17]
Host/Interviewer
You. You started back in December?
- [56:18]
Trevor Lawrence
Yeah, I started.
- [56:20]
Host/Interviewer
So where's home for you?
- [56:21]
Trevor Lawrence
I'm in la.
- [56:22]
Host/Interviewer
You in la?
- [56:22]
Trevor Lawrence
Yeah.
- [56:23]
Host/Interviewer
Oh, okay.
- [56:24]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
You like it, you like it in LA?
- [56:26]
Trevor Lawrence
Yeah, you know, I'm a SoCal boy.
- [56:29]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Most of the time. Obviously once you reach a certain heights, you know, in your career, some people time you tend to move to a different place. Someone that you always somewhere else that's.
- [56:38]
Trevor Lawrence
Always going to be home. Even la. I'm not from la. I'm from like I'm from the Inland Empire. That's like an hour, right?
- [56:44]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fine.
- [56:45]
Trevor Lawrence
But I'm most definitely that's always going to be home, so called always home.
- [56:48]
Host/Interviewer
Yeah. Okay, so watching this, these two teams, the Patriots, Drake May obviously was in your draft. Sam Darnold went to usc, third pick in the draft. Everybody that we've come on, we have not found one player that has picked the Patriots to win this game. How do you see this game playing out?
- [57:07]
Trevor Lawrence
Pick the Patriots. Nobody picked the Patriots.
- [57:09]
Host/Interviewer
Nope. Nobody.
- [57:11]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
I could tell you why they haven't.
- [57:12]
Trevor Lawrence
Because I'm a roll in my draft class.
- [57:14]
Host/Interviewer
You roll? Okay. You're taking Drake.
- [57:16]
Trevor Lawrence
I'm gonna roll my draft class.
- [57:17]
Host/Interviewer
Okay. I like that.
- [57:18]
Trevor Lawrence
What you mean?
- [57:19]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
You serious?
- [57:20]
Trevor Lawrence
I'm gonna roll my draft class.
- [57:21]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Even with that defense the Seahawks have at all three levels, huh?
- [57:25]
Trevor Lawrence
I played them. They got a phenomenal defense. Yeah, I gotta roll my drive.
- [57:29]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Okay, you roll those drag class. Okay, okay, okay.
- [57:31]
Host/Interviewer
How do you see this, how do you see this game playing out, man?
- [57:35]
Trevor Lawrence
I think whoever is able to, whatever defense is able to stop the run and kind of limit and keep them one sided. Obviously what the Seahawks has done this year, offensively, defensively, out of the world. Jsn. Obviously the numbers he put up, crazy, crazy balling. But man, I, I feel like, I feel like if Drake could keep going, man, I, I, they got a good chance.
- [58:00]
Host/Interviewer
Obviously, like you said, you have a lot of time to recover, decompress. So you, you obviously you're back into training.
- [58:06]
Trevor Lawrence
Yeah.
- [58:07]
Host/Interviewer
But there's still some things that you probably like to do. So what, what do you do now until you get, I mean really, really start with like April and you know, you haven't started getting back to OTAs. What, what are you doing in your free time right now, outside?
- [58:21]
Trevor Lawrence
I'm just spending time with my family, spending time my loved ones. You got, you know, you kind of sacrifice that time throughout the season. You don't really get that time. So it's like after I'm done with my obligations of training and doing whatever, man, is that if I take the time to watch the film, go back and watch the season, you know, I'm kind of just spending time with my loved ones, my friends, you know, they'll come visit me. We'll kind of just kick it.
- [58:44]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
You're like, what a fun. What, you gotta have some fun, like dirt bike riding, motorcycles, bull riding, parachuting. No parachute.
- [58:53]
Trevor Lawrence
And the commanders killed me. They heard I was doing something like that.
- [58:57]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
I'm tripping.
- [58:58]
Trevor Lawrence
It is all season. It is all season. I might hoop here.
- [59:01]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
And there you go.
- [59:02]
Trevor Lawrence
Yeah. Can you.
- [59:03]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
What you play? What you mean? What? You're not. I ain't gonna say nothing. What you mean I can hoop? What? No. In high school, I averaged 52 a game.
- [59:11]
Trevor Lawrence
52 a game.
- [59:12]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
52.
- [59:12]
Trevor Lawrence
How many games?
- [59:13]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Three.
- [59:14]
Trevor Lawrence
Okay, okay.
- [59:15]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Three.
- [59:16]
Sauce Gardner
Yeah, yeah.
- [59:17]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
You know, I. I do it all now, you know? You know my background.
- [59:19]
Trevor Lawrence
I do, yeah.
- [59:20]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
He played with my son. Coach.
- [59:21]
Patrick Willis
Huh?
- [59:22]
Host/Interviewer
How, How, How, How. How much film. How much film do you watch in the offseason? Do you. Do you. Do you watch? You know, you go back and look at what your team did, what you did last year? Or do you fast forward? Or do you move forward?
- [59:36]
Trevor Lawrence
No, I think I learned this. I learned this from Bobby Wagner last year. Like, he does it at the.
- [59:40]
Michael Pittman Jr.
Every year.
- [59:40]
Trevor Lawrence
He goes back and watches the. The whole season.
- [59:42]
Host/Interviewer
Yeah.
- [59:43]
Trevor Lawrence
And evaluate. Evaluates himself.
- [59:45]
Host/Interviewer
Okay.
- [59:46]
Trevor Lawrence
So that's kind of what I do. And then this year, you know, I kind of already started it, so I finished it. But at that point, it's like, okay, now I kind of have an understanding. Like, this is what I feel like I need to work on this off season and stuff like that. So I have a better gist when it comes to sitting down and talking to my team. Around me, I'm like, this is what I feel like I need to work on.
- [60:04]
Host/Interviewer
Oh, man. Jaden, appreciate you, man. Hey, all the best. Get healthy. Stay healthy. Hey, you got a big.
- [60:10]
Sauce Gardner
This a big year.
- [60:11]
Host/Interviewer
You know it's a big year.
- [60:12]
Trevor Lawrence
You know it.
- [60:13]
Host/Interviewer
Hey, I'm counting on you now.
- [60:14]
Patrick Willis
All right, I got you.
- [60:15]
Host/Interviewer
All right, Come. Come tap in with us with Nightcap 1 one night next year. Bet. That's sauce.
- [60:35]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Sauce.
- [60:36]
Host/Interviewer
Come on.
- [60:37]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
What up, twin?
- [60:37]
Sauce Gardner
Come on. Come here.
- [60:41]
Host/Interviewer
You got a card? Oh, I thought you tried to give me something, huh? Oh, okay.
- [60:49]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Real quick.
- [60:50]
Host/Interviewer
Okay.
- [60:52]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Selfie, Selfie.
- [60:54]
Host/Interviewer
What's up, bro? You good? Joining us now is all pro defensive rookie of the year.
- [61:04]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah.
- [61:04]
Host/Interviewer
Yeah.
- [61:04]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Hey, boy, he look like money, huh?
- [61:08]
Host/Interviewer
You can hear it. Okay, you hear. You hear us now?
- [61:12]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Hold on.
- [61:13]
Host/Interviewer
Okay, hold on.
- [61:13]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Let me.
- [61:13]
Sauce Gardner
Let me.
- [61:14]
Trevor Lawrence
Hold on.
- [61:14]
Sauce Gardner
Let me unzip, man. Let me unzip, man. Hey, let me unzip, man. I do gotta ask you.
- [61:20]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Oh, hold on.
- [61:21]
Sauce Gardner
I've been seeing you. Yeah, I've been seeing you.
- [61:23]
Host/Interviewer
Yeah.
- [61:23]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
I mean, you can't come on here stunting on us like that, man.
- [61:26]
Sauce Gardner
I thought he was the chief guy.
- [61:28]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Who.
- [61:28]
Sauce Gardner
What happened to that? I'm still. I'm still chief.
- [61:30]
Host/Interviewer
What happened to that?
- [61:31]
Sauce Gardner
Hold on, let me see. Let me see that.
- [61:33]
Patrick Willis
What?
- [61:34]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Oh, yeah, we.
- [61:35]
Sauce Gardner
This ain't.
- [61:35]
Host/Interviewer
No.
- [61:36]
Sauce Gardner
Hold on. Yeah, come on, man. Yeah, this. No, that ain't a jubilee bracelet. That's a presidential man.
- [61:42]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah, that's what I do. I want to be the President.
- [61:45]
Host/Interviewer
Well, actually, that's. Actually, it's called a day date. They call it the presidential bracelet because that's what the President is wearing. No, instead of the Kennedy when he was. Yeah, he had it on.
- [61:54]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
I know.
- [61:55]
Host/Interviewer
So they gave it. They gave it that nickname. Yeah, but it's actually a day date. But anyway, Sauce, how you doing, bro? I'm good. Check this out.
- [62:04]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
It's.
- [62:04]
Sauce Gardner
It's a blessing to be here, man. Blessing to be here, man.
- [62:09]
Host/Interviewer
There's no way you could envision. Obviously you played well your first couple years. You got ding. And then you signed this massive contract, this massive contract in the off season and not even six, seven months later, you're dealt to the Indianapolis Colts. Tell me what goes through your mind when they give you that call and say, sauce, we're trading you to Indy. And the aftermath of that.
- [62:34]
Sauce Gardner
I can't give you my exact reaction, but I wasn't mad at it, really. I mean, I wasn't mad at it.
- [62:45]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
How could he be? You're going from the jets to the Colts. You're going from a team that's not contending, they're going to a Colts team that is doing extremely well. I wouldn't be mad either, but I do.
- [62:59]
Sauce Gardner
I did like miss. I missed the fans, you know, my teammates, you know, the fans. When it wasn't like toxic energy. I'm talking about those type of. The fans when I got drafted. Me, Gary.
- [63:13]
Host/Interviewer
They're excited.
- [63:13]
Sauce Gardner
The excitement, the optimism and, and not the looking for bad every time it's something good.
- [63:20]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yes.
- [63:21]
Sauce Gardner
Like those fans. Not cuz all of the fans weren't like that. You had some true diehard jets fans who always wanted positive, like, you know, things to come out of it. But I did, I did miss the, the. The good ones and I did miss my teammates.
- [63:34]
Host/Interviewer
Sauce, I would be remiss if I said, looking at you, your first two years, you were Hands down the best court. You and Pat certain y' all was going back and forth for the best corners. I felt some of your play and I don't know if it was injured. You can clear it up right now that your play, some of your play had slipped and you weren't that same player. I wasn't the only one that felt that way. But I have you here and I can't say, well, you know, all of a sudden I have you here, is not going to want to say what I've said before, many times on Nightcap before. Do you feel your play is slipped? And if so, is it injuries, what transpired where you're not that because people started to challenge you. Whereas your first two years, ain't nobody trying to see sauce. They was caught up in the song.
- [64:16]
Sauce Gardner
Ah, see, look, this, this is why I think y' all don't understand.
- [64:19]
Host/Interviewer
Okay?
- [64:19]
Sauce Gardner
It was the opposite. The first two years, everybody was trying to see what was up with me. I was having 80 targets. The first two years I was having 80 targets. So if we gonna talk about like, ratio. Yes, I was having 80 targets and was getting like, all right, I'll get two picks out of that when I should have had more picks with 80 some targets.
- [64:39]
Host/Interviewer
Correct.
- [64:40]
Sauce Gardner
I'm getting 30 something targets. The only other corner that is giving, getting that same amount of like respect and treatment is Pat.
- [64:49]
Michael Pittman Jr.
Right?
- [64:50]
Sauce Gardner
Nobody else is get. Pat is the only other corner where it's like. And another thing people don't. You don't really see me get beat. That's why if I ask you which ways have I got beat in, right? You would know exactly which one. You want me to tell you why? Because you don't see too much plays.
- [65:07]
Host/Interviewer
That I give you.
- [65:08]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
You can, you can always recall if I got.
- [65:10]
Sauce Gardner
If I ask you what play, hey, what play? What are you gonna say? George. Yeah, George had a play on me this year. He's probably one of like three receivers to have 50 something yards on me as a single receiver.
- [65:23]
Host/Interviewer
Right.
- [65:23]
Sauce Gardner
I've never gave up 100 yard game in general alone, let alone to a receiver. It's never happened, and I don't plan on that happening. Probably the most yards I've allowed by a receiver, it's probably about 50 some 60. And after George even made that play, he didn't catch another ball.
- [65:40]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Right.
- [65:41]
Sauce Gardner
I mean, that's, that's me though. But I understand how it could be, especially like social media, you know, sometimes when you just, you know, when you're not really watching and understanding, you just See certain stuff and you just see the negative. Cuz that's. That's how I am. Nobody's posting in my first couple years. Speaking of jets fans, even if it was some negative, they was always talking about the positive.
- [66:05]
Host/Interviewer
Right?
- [66:06]
Sauce Gardner
Now if it's a negative plate, everybody.
- [66:08]
Host/Interviewer
Want to get on that bandwagon.
- [66:11]
Sauce Gardner
That. Bro, I got one question.
- [66:14]
Michael Pittman Jr.
Yes.
- [66:15]
Sauce Gardner
Why am. Why is my a play from Atlanta where I tripped on somebody's foot on a two point conversion trending while the game is still going on?
- [66:29]
Host/Interviewer
Because of your greatness. You're who you are.
- [66:31]
Sauce Gardner
Exactly.
- [66:32]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah.
- [66:32]
Host/Interviewer
Because trust me, if you wouldn't be trending.
- [66:35]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah.
- [66:36]
Host/Interviewer
If you weren't great, you. Because you built. You built this.
- [66:39]
Sauce Gardner
The little things trend.
- [66:40]
Host/Interviewer
Yes.
- [66:41]
Sauce Gardner
So that's why I come to this point. People know now if you want to get engagement, if you're having a bad day of engagement, just mention Sauce's name. It's free.
- [66:53]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
It's free.
- [66:54]
Sauce Gardner
Everybody knows that. I don't want to give the little Twitter page whatever they call it. I'm not even going to say the name. Yeah, but y' all probably know them. I'm not going to get them. No little pug. But they know because it'd be so random. I'd be chilling. I just look, I'm like, dang, why.
- [67:09]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Are they tagging me right?
- [67:11]
Sauce Gardner
Where, where is my. Where am I coming from? They make a little list. Overrated guys in the league.
- [67:15]
Host/Interviewer
Yeah. Yeah.
- [67:16]
Sauce Gardner
It'd be four quarterbacks in one corner. You think the corner, like, what are we talking about?
- [67:21]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Does that bother you? Does that bother you? Does that affect you in any way when, when, when there's. There's negativity on social media or are you able to compartmentalize both and be able to steal. You know what get they talk about, I'm still gonna go out here and handle my business.
- [67:33]
Sauce Gardner
Well, it definitely don't affect me on the field. Never has affected me on the field. I remember when I was early in my career, like, it'd be like, bro, what, like what sense is this making?
- [67:43]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Right?
- [67:43]
Sauce Gardner
And then now it's just like that come with the territory, like what type of time I've been on. But I do want to have more picks and stuff like that. But that just lets me know, like, all right, I just got to make the most out of these opportunities that's going to come because they not coming. All right. Atlanta game.
- [68:00]
Host/Interviewer
I broke.
- [68:00]
Sauce Gardner
I broke on the ball. I'm like, I'm thinking Drake London. I'm thinking Drake London about to jump into Me and try to go. So I die when it's like, if I know he was just gonna sit there, I should have just ran through the ball. But it's like from that point, I never had another op. And throughout the season when I was with the Jets, I didn't have no pickup. But so basically what I'm saying is, like, if we gonna talk about it, we gotta got to talk about it. Got to be an even playing field. Because I feel like at times, and this is the reality, I don't. It's excuses for other guys. Yes, it's excuses. Y' all make excuses for these other corners, and I don't want no excuses. Don't make no excuse with me. Tell me, say what's really going on with me, but say what's really going on with everybody else, too. If y' all gonna try to compare me to these other guys or compare to these other guys to me, because that's. That's just how I got it. That's how I think it should go.
- [68:53]
Host/Interviewer
You healthy? You healthy all the way. Because you had. Remember, you had. You had the calf injury, and there was a concern. Obviously, anytime someone gets a calf injury, they get really concerned now with the Achilles, and so they kind of. They kind of be overly cautious. And maybe where you could have came back in one to two weeks, they push it to three or four weeks to make sure, because that's the last thing as a corner, you don't want to ever have to deal with that. And knock on wood, hopefully that does not happen. But you 100 you have you already started your offseason?
- [69:20]
Sauce Gardner
I'm in Miami with it.
- [69:22]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
You at the crib.
- [69:23]
Sauce Gardner
Miami?
- [69:23]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Why a tell me?
- [69:24]
Sauce Gardner
I just got there.
- [69:25]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Okay. Okay. Now listen, you want to get some work and let me know.
- [69:28]
Sauce Gardner
I bet.
- [69:28]
Host/Interviewer
Okay, so what's. What's the one thing that's going to take Sauce Gardener's game to the next level? What do you. What do you want to work on? Ball, scales, hand, eye? Because like you said, when you get those opportunities, if you only gonna get two opportunities, you got to kill.
- [69:43]
Sauce Gardner
Yeah.
- [69:44]
Host/Interviewer
That's why. That's why animals. You know, venomous snakes in Australia, they might not come across one animal, but for a long period of time.
- [69:52]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah.
- [69:52]
Host/Interviewer
So they got to strike it. It got that venom got to take instantaneous. If you only getting two targets a game, bro, you're gonna have to make something. You have to make it happen.
- [69:59]
Sauce Gardner
Sauce, look, this is the difference. All right, let's go more in depth targets.
- [70:03]
Host/Interviewer
Yes.
- [70:03]
Sauce Gardner
Every target Is not a pickable target.
- [70:05]
Host/Interviewer
No.
- [70:06]
Sauce Gardner
So if I'm getting two targets a.
- [70:08]
Host/Interviewer
Game and they throw.
- [70:08]
Sauce Gardner
Throwing it at the ground, under, throw out of bounds. All right, I had two targets and.
- [70:13]
Host/Interviewer
Okay.
- [70:13]
Sauce Gardner
I didn't get a hop.
- [70:14]
Host/Interviewer
What about past breakups?
- [70:15]
Sauce Gardner
Yeah, some of them. Some of them probably can. I gotta. This is what I want to do. I want to take more chances. That's what I. That's what I want to do. Because it's not even always just like, all right, just catch the ball. I have had some drops where it's like, just catch the ball.
- [70:30]
Host/Interviewer
Right?
- [70:31]
Sauce Gardner
Like, some of them still hunt me. Like, anytime I see that in person, I immediately think of that 20, 22 play where he threw it right to me.
- [70:38]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah.
- [70:38]
Sauce Gardner
Like, And I dropped it, you know, but taking chances, too, because I. I've been in the league some years, so take some chances so I can make more plays, you know, Game changer. I mean, you.
- [70:47]
Host/Interviewer
You study. I mean, trust your instinct.
- [70:49]
Sauce Gardner
Sure.
- [70:49]
Host/Interviewer
I. Sometimes I don't think you trust your instinct. You on top of it, and you.
- [70:53]
Sauce Gardner
Like, sometimes I just settle for the.
- [70:55]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Pdu, you know, for sure. For sure.
- [70:58]
Sauce Gardner
But I'm not gonna lie to you and be like, yeah, I always just go take a shot, you know? But, you know, like you said, studying the whole week, like, you don't have no reason why you shouldn't be like, that's the play where I'm about to.
- [71:09]
Host/Interviewer
You know, you don't go into a week and say, you know, what if they run this route. If they run this route in this. Down in distance in this area of the field.
- [71:19]
Sauce Gardner
And more times. More. More times than. So they always do. Yeah. This is copycat, Lee. So they end up running it, and I just.
- [71:25]
Host/Interviewer
Pbu.
- [71:26]
Sauce Gardner
Yeah. When it's like, some. If I dive.
- [71:28]
Host/Interviewer
Not.
- [71:28]
Sauce Gardner
Not the one like in Atlanta, but it's some, like, if I dive here, like, all right, this is big. I could dive right there.
- [71:33]
Host/Interviewer
How you.
- [71:33]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
How you feel about traveling with the number one receiver?
- [71:35]
Sauce Gardner
Oh, and that's another thing. I'm. I'm happy we here, cuz. Y'. All.
- [71:39]
Michael Pittman Jr.
Y.
- [71:39]
Sauce Gardner
Little one thing about y'. All. Y' all talk about all of the stuff that people want to hear. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So look, all right, we going to start from 20, 22. Ah, Sauce. Not traveling with the receiver one. He's not doing that.
- [71:54]
Host/Interviewer
I couldn't.
- [71:54]
Sauce Gardner
Coach Solo wouldn't let me, and I don't think he still let his guys do that.
- [71:58]
Host/Interviewer
Right, right.
- [71:59]
Sauce Gardner
Last year, not including this season, Last year, travel with the one receiver. Same thing going on. I. I got lower targets traveling with the ones than when I didn't travel with the ones. Like, I'm just saying, like, I. I guess I have the source. Have to bring the facts, right. I have. I. I've got double the amount of targets traveling. Not traveling and traveling.
- [72:23]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Just stand on one side.
- [72:25]
Sauce Gardner
Oh, he get too many PIs. That's what the talk was when. Last year?
- [72:29]
Host/Interviewer
Yes.
- [72:31]
Sauce Gardner
I think I only had, like, three this year or four. Oh, he'd be missing tackles. I think I only had two missed tackles this year.
- [72:41]
Host/Interviewer
Okay.
- [72:42]
Sauce Gardner
Who have you seen say anything about that?
- [72:44]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Nobody.
- [72:45]
Sauce Gardner
Nobody. So we gonna really be real. Let's be real. But a lot of people prefer to say the negative and just keep the negative there and don't address the positive. So everybody's just looking at it on this negative thing. But I'm a realist person, so I'm gonna talk about the good and the bad.
- [73:01]
Host/Interviewer
Right.
- [73:02]
Michael Pittman Jr.
Of everything.
- [73:03]
Sauce Gardner
Whether it's any other corner. Like, oh, yeah, yeah. Damn.
- [73:07]
Host/Interviewer
Yeah.
- [73:07]
Sauce Gardner
He ain't have a good game this game.
- [73:08]
Host/Interviewer
Oh, all right.
- [73:09]
Sauce Gardner
He had a good game this game. Like, yeah. You know?
- [73:11]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [73:12]
Sauce Gardner
And these corners y' all compare me to, that's how to go. Sometimes they have a bad game.
- [73:16]
Host/Interviewer
Yes.
- [73:17]
Sauce Gardner
But if I have a bad game, everybody knows I had a bad game.
- [73:22]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
But it's different because it's a gift and a curse based on who you are, based on the brand that you become. For one, you were in New York. You know what being in that market does to you. It takes you from here to there. You were already great, especially your first two years. So therefore, they're going to judge you a lot more differently than all the other corners in the NFL. So it comes with the territory.
- [73:42]
Host/Interviewer
And you got a nickname.
- [73:43]
Sauce Gardner
Hey.
- [73:43]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yes.
- [73:44]
Host/Interviewer
What's that nickname is not. That's just short.
- [73:48]
Trevor Lawrence
I like.
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Sauce Gardner
I like. I like. I like. Sting Stink is.
- [73:50]
Host/Interviewer
That's.
- [73:50]
Sauce Gardner
That's a good nickname.
- [73:51]
Host/Interviewer
But it's short for Stingley. Ain't no part of your first name. Sauce. What's your government? What's your government?
- [74:02]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
They come with the territory.
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Host/Interviewer
And plus, you could line it up to my. Hey, it got caught up in the sauce. And so people like.
- [74:11]
Sauce Gardner
People like, why is he doing this marketing stuff with his name? And. And my corner can't do that right now. You think that's what it is?
- [74:18]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- [74:18]
Host/Interviewer
Absolutely, Absolutely. But.
- [74:20]
Sauce Gardner
But look, what y' all want me to do. No, no, no. I'm saying, like, I can't do nothing about who I am as a person and what I.
- [74:28]
Host/Interviewer
Nor should you. But I give you a prime example. Look at time. Don't nobody call him Dion. Everybody call him prime of Time.
- [74:33]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah.
- [74:34]
Host/Interviewer
And he. And he understood what came along with that. And he caught a lot of the same stuff because time came in a year before me. He called it the same. A lot of the stuff that you did, he called early in his career, but he flipped that narrative. Now it's on you to do the same.
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Michael Pittman Jr.
Y.
- [74:50]
Sauce Gardner
For sure. No, that he. He's somebody who I don't. Obviously, I watch his highlights, but him as a person. So, like, that's somebody who I know is, like, the closest to what I can, like, relate to. You know what I'm saying? But his was a little more like. He was really overly popping it off the field.
- [75:05]
Host/Interviewer
Like, fur.
- [75:05]
Sauce Gardner
Like, you can do that.
- [75:07]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
You can do that.
- [75:08]
Sauce Gardner
That's not even. I'm not going.
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Host/Interviewer
That's something that I. That's not you.
- [75:11]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
It's not you.
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Sauce Gardner
I'm not the man.
- [75:13]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Take advantage of it.
- [75:14]
Host/Interviewer
No.
- [75:17]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Matter.
- [75:18]
Sauce Gardner
My own people is gonna be looking at me like, bro, this is not even.
- [75:20]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. When you scope. When you get an interception, put the fur on the sidelines.
- [75:25]
Host/Interviewer
Don't do that, man.
- [75:25]
Sauce Gardner
Hey, I could do that.
- [75:26]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
You see what I'm seeing?
- [75:28]
Host/Interviewer
Hey, take it from me.
- [75:29]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Take it from here. Take it from here to here.
- [75:32]
Sauce Gardner
Nah, they know it's his fault, so.
- [75:35]
Host/Interviewer
Don'T get mad at me. Come by Hollis on Nightcap.
- [75:38]
Patrick Willis
Oh, yeah.
- [75:38]
Sauce Gardner
Just let me know when my team said y' all reached out.
- [75:42]
Host/Interviewer
Yes, we did.
- [75:42]
Sauce Gardner
Yeah, I'll pull up. Y' all be out on the west coast, huh?
- [75:46]
Host/Interviewer
Yeah, well, you in Miami, so I have to come down there because we'll. We talked about Club Sh.
- [75:51]
Sauce Gardner
Club Sh, Yeah, yeah. Club Sh. That's a little different.
- [75:54]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
That's the one with like. Like, Cat Williams.
- [75:56]
Sauce Gardner
Cat Williams, Yeah, I remember that.
- [76:00]
Patrick Willis
I watched.
- [76:00]
Host/Interviewer
That's a nightcap. You. Old nightcap right now. But we got a little different vibe. We got a little different vibe at night than we are now. We gotta be. You know, all the advertising.
- [76:08]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah, we gotta.
- [76:10]
Sauce Gardner
Yeah, I'll come. I'll come on. Club Sh. You know what I'm saying?
- [76:14]
Host/Interviewer
Appreciate you, bro. We'll reach out. Appreciate you, man. Thank you. Thank you. Sauce Gardens, ladies and gentlemen. Two time first team all pro defensive rookie of the year, Traded from the New York jets into the Indianapolis coast. We got them. Okay.
- [76:37]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Oh, he here.
- [76:40]
Host/Interviewer
Coming. We got a very special guest joining us.
- [76:44]
Sauce Gardner
Oh, hold on.
- [76:45]
Host/Interviewer
Am I supposed to read? I'm reading.
- [76:46]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
If you could pick two past NFL teams to play in the super bowl, who would they be? Oh, two past teams. Past teams. Two past teams.
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Host/Interviewer
I won't.
- [77:02]
Sauce Gardner
I won't.
- [77:03]
Host/Interviewer
I won't. I want to go back to Super Bowl 49, and I want Seattle to play the Patriots again. And Pete Carroll and what you call him. Don't run that dumbass. Don't call that dumbass Daryl Bevel. Don't call that dumb ass pass play.
- [77:18]
Sauce Gardner
I'm trying to think.
- [77:20]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
I want the Bengals to come back. I want to repeat that game against the Rams.
- [77:24]
Host/Interviewer
Okay.
- [77:24]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
And that. And on that fourth down at fourth and one, I don't want it to be pass interference on Logan Wilson.
- [77:30]
Host/Interviewer
Okay.
- [77:31]
Michael Pittman Jr.
And.
- [77:31]
Host/Interviewer
Oh, so you want to win?
- [77:33]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Yeah, I want to win. I absolutely want to win. Because they cheated out of Super Bowl.
- [77:40]
Host/Interviewer
I'm trying to think 76. The Steelers had one of the great defenses in 1970. I'm trying to think who won the Super bowl in 76. Who won the Super bowl in 76? Was it the Cowboys? The Steelers had an outstanding defense in 76oo their last nine games, they gave up 28 points with four shutouts.
- [78:04]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
The last nine games.
- [78:05]
Host/Interviewer
The last nine games, 28 points they gave up.
- [78:07]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Total.
- [78:08]
Host/Interviewer
Total.
- [78:08]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Are you sure?
- [78:09]
Host/Interviewer
Total. Total. That.
- [78:12]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
That don't sound right. That don't even sound realistic.
- [78:15]
Host/Interviewer
They did oo. They were that good.
- [78:17]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
They were better than the 2000 Ravens defense.
- [78:19]
Host/Interviewer
When you look at it, they gave up. Like, they. I think back then, they was only playing 14 games, though. Okay, but when you look at it, Ocho. What they gave up. Because normally historic defenses only get rewarded if they go and win the Super Bowl. Okay, 85 Bears, 2,000 Ravens. The O2 was 13. Legion of Boom. But you look at it, actually, the 84 bears were better than the 8. Yeah, the 84, 86 bears were better than the 80 was better than the.
- [78:48]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
85 bears, but they don't get the credit for it because they didn't win. They didn't win.
- [78:51]
Host/Interviewer
They didn't win. I think 84. But the 76 Steelers. Go look up those Steelers defensive stats and you'll see they had eight starters in the Pro Bowl. Their entire secondary started the Pro Bowl.
- [79:02]
Sauce Gardner
Jesus.
- [79:06]
Host/Interviewer
They had eight starters. There's only, you know, the A. There's only 22. They had eight starters in the Pro bowl that year. They were. They were. They were. They were loaded. But this has been great. Man, we've had another jam packed day. Trevor Lawrence, Sauce Gardner, Kyle and Christian use check. Man, we've had so, so many people roll through here. Michael Pittman Jr.
- [79:33]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
What do you all think? The best defensive player in the super bowl this year? Who's the best defensive player in general in the Super Bowl? The best team? Who has, who, who is the most valuable and impactful defensive player?
- [79:46]
Host/Interviewer
You probably have to make a case for a, a spoon of Gonzalez.
- [79:51]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
I, I.
- [79:54]
Host/Interviewer
Yeah.
- [79:56]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Maybe. Because, hey, they don't, they don't even target Gonzalez in general.
- [80:00]
Host/Interviewer
Probably. Yeah, probably.
- [80:07]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
That's a damn, that's a damn good look. That's a good question. So he. Collectively, collectively, as a whole, the Seahawks are really good.
- [80:15]
Host/Interviewer
Yeah.
- [80:15]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
At all three levels. So there's no one player that's like, okay, you know, like Aaron Donald.
- [80:19]
Host/Interviewer
Yeah, yeah. Or Miles Garrett. They don't have, they don't have that one guy that sticks that, that sticks out.
- [80:24]
Chad Johnson (Ocho)
Right. But, boy, that's good. If anything, I would go with Christian Gonzalez as well, because offensively, he kind of shuts down one side of the field for the fact that you run, you do everything, and you just stay away from that one individual.
- [80:38]
Host/Interviewer
Yeah. I definitely think the Seahawks defense, secondary as a whole is better because when you take Spoon Woolen Love. Oh, yeah, you take those guys. Ernest Jones. Yes, is Ernest Jones. The fourth has been spectacular. And then you got Leonard Williams, you got D Law, you got Jared, you got Reed. They, they, they, they're, they're really good. But I, I think people are really undervaluing the Patriots.