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Shannon Sharpe
The volume. Okay, before the game, JJ Red stormed out of the present after question about substitution. He took offense to a question that basically asked if he will lean on his assistants. If his assistant coaches when it comes to helping with substitution. Substitution. Excuse me. Are you saying that because I'm inexperienced and that it was inexperienced decision that I made, you don't think I talked to my assistants about substitutions every single time I. That's a weird assumption. He stormed out.
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JJ Redick
I would have stormed out too. Yes, I have no choice. Yes, I talk to my assistants. Hell, my assistants know too. We don't have a choice.
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Shannon Sharpe
How many times. Let me ask you a question, Ocho. Let me ask you a question, Ocho. How many times have JJ Redick been a coach in the NBA? I think that's a very valid question because he is inexperienced as a coach.
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Joe Johnson
You know what?
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Shannon Sharpe
And it's a very all he had to do because if he leaned on his coaches. Yes, I lean on my coaches. That's a part of like when we have a time together. So what do you think? How does ru. How does rui look? How does do look? How does LeBron look? How does. First of all, that's LeBron and Luka's on. They already sent LeBron at the six minute mark. You're coming out to get a blow for two to three minutes. We're gonna put you back in. Luka, if it's really good and we're up 10 12, you might come out the last minute of the first quarter. So that way we can still minute or so. Cause we get to tie the TV timeout. So you get one minute there, you get another minute or two there. And then we gonna let you sit for four minutes. So we gonna steal some time. Everybody else is on a rotation like, okay, hey, pull him. Get in. But I don't think you can't get mad when people ask you questions, Ocho. That's a part about being a coach.
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JJ Redick
I understand it. Even though being a coach, but also being a reporter, it's about watching the game. Also being a reporter, it's about understanding, well, hell, we are in a position. If I'm a Laker reporter, damn, we do got to keep Luca them in there. We do got to have him play all four quarters because we not getting.
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Shannon Sharpe
They don't look at the game like that, Ocho. My job is. My job is to ask you questions. What's going on?
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JJ Redick
I understand. I'm just seeing it from the lens on both sides.
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Shannon Sharpe
No, you seen it from the lens of the player and you hit them, said that somebody questioned the goat.
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JJ Redick
Yeah, I mean you. Right, but I mean just.
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Shannon Sharpe
You got to realize most of these reporters oo have never played. They've never been in the huddle. They've never had to sub you talk. And so we look at, we athletes look at the game totally different than the lay person or the casual fan. Especially if we're professionals. We understand well why you call that dumb play. You think I called it because I didn't want to get no yards. Hey, what's the play we got that's going to lose us four yards? Yep. Call that one. Hey what? Hey what that play that we got that pick that's going to call Joe the airball. That shot dribble the ball like the pound. Yeah, that's the play I want to run out of this time bound.
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Joe Johnson
Of course not normally. Normally your assistant coaches and now it's a lot of them nowadays, but normally your assistant coaches stay in the head coach's ear. You have a head assistant and he keeps coach intact as far as. Okay, look O children have been out there 12 straight minutes. We might need to give him a blow, you know what I mean? So normally your assistant is always an extension of the head and he normally probably Scotty Brooks.
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Shannon Sharpe
I'm thinking Scotty Brooks is his lead and then Nate is not. Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
So they may tell you like well I got four fouls. We. You know what I mean? Like we can't.
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Shannon Sharpe
We.
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Joe Johnson
We might want to take him out, give him a break. So for him to go with them guys for that extended period of time, he probably was just like forget it. Yeah. I don't think he had no trust in any of those guys coming off that bench. He felt he was going to go with his big guns and he stuck with. Yeah, dang.
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Shannon Sharpe
But as a. But as a. But ojo. But as a coach, you know this. When it goes well, you're a genius. When it doesn't go well, you're going to get second guess. That's how it is. That's a. That's a part of it. You know when somebody, if somebody asks you, you, you play a quarterback and somebody ask you what you saw, you can't say I saw what you saw. I hope you didn't see what I see. Cause I did. I look in this, in this down and distance, this area of the field. This is what they normally play. I thought I had this guy made a great play. You know they study film too. They get paid. You do, you know, you know, they play other. They play other playoffs. I was quick to tell my coaches that. I tell Mike that all the time. I said, hey, you know that guy got paid tonight, right? He picked up his check on Monday, just like I did. So don't think, hey, I'm the only one getting paid. And they just found this guy. He jumped on the back of a truck somewhere. Nah, bro, he in the NFL, too. He here for a reason. Cause sometimes I think coaches realize, hey, and I tell this all the time, Joe, anybody in a professional league has the ability to make anybody else in a professional league look bad. I don't care if it's the best basketball player against whatever somebody might think is the worst, he still can light his ass up. Absolutely a receiver that. You're like, man, who is this kid? Hold up. What game was that? Oh, lad, McConkey. Remember that playoff game? He was cooking on your cooking, boy. Yeah, Everybody in the business.
- [07:59]
JJ Redick
You were cooking. Yeah, see, that's what I tell you. That's what I tried to tell Joe. What I tried to tell Joe. I tried to tell him, you know, you take one of the better athletes of all time, you know, I'm talking about me, Me playing you one on one.
- [08:12]
Joe Johnson
Oh, man, here we go.
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JJ Redick
You feel. Hey, listen, I'm gonna tell you, when I go by you, it's a reason why they call you isu, because you're gonna be by your damn self trying to go up.
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Joe Johnson
You gonna need plenty of help, brother. Trust me.
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Shannon Sharpe
Huh?
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Joe Johnson
You're gonna need a minute help.
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JJ Redick
Hey, you trust me. Once I get you out there in space, at the top of the key is a rap. I can get it.
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Shannon Sharpe
I put the ball on the floor.
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JJ Redick
And listen, I'm gonna get my shot. I'm gonna get to my spot. Me Irene.
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Joe Johnson
I've seen you play already.
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JJ Redick
What you talk about?
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Shannon Sharpe
No, you ain't see me.
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JJ Redick
Well, if you saw me play, you know you can't do nothing with me.
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Shannon Sharpe
In the words of Florida Evans.
- [08:52]
Joe Johnson
Damn, damn, damn.
- [08:55]
Shannon Sharpe
Thank you for joining us for another episode of Nightcap. Y'all know me. I am your favorite unc, Shannon Sharp. The guy that's coming into is my co host, Liberty City legend, the bingo ring of Fame honoree, the Pro Bowler, the all Pro, that's Chad Ochocinko Johnson. And because he wanted to cash in on his dinner, he wasn't supposed to come on until Friday. He like, hey, I want to come on tonight. Here he is, ladies and gentlemen, Arkansas's own ISO Joe Johnson, good to have you. Please make sure you hit the subscribe button. Please make sure you hit the like button and go subscribe to the Nightcap podcast feed wherever you get your podcast from. Thank you so much for your support. Thank you so much for your continued support. Thank you guys for being so accepting of Joe. He's done an unbelievable job. We look forward to having him in the fall full time as our regular basketball contributor. But thank you for all your support and your continued support. Make sure you go check out Shay by La Portier now. If you cannot find it in a city or state near you, order it online. We'll ship it directly to your door. Is the best tasting bsop on the market. It's tried and true and it's been tested by you, the consumer. So we'll ship it to you. Please drink responsibly and stay safe while you're out there. Check out my media company page on all of his platforms. Shay, Shay Media and my clothing company, 84 with 84 being spelled out, that link is pinned in the chat. Supplies are limited, so get yours while supplies last. Because once they're gone, they are gone. Tickets for our Not Safe for Work tour are on sale. Our eight stops goes as follows. Baltimore, Philly, Charlotte, Louisiana, Miami, nyc, Chicago, and we'll close things out in Detroit. Tickets can be found@shayshaymedia.com tour shayshaymedia.com tour that link is pinned in the chat also. Can't wait till you see our guest lineup. Hey, it's going to be really, really fun. Make sure if we're sitting near you, come out and check out your favorite ineff ocho. You won't miss it. You don't want to miss it. Go get your tickets now. The Teen Wolves knock out the Lakers. Guys, I was pressed for time. What I meant to say Lakers going home in five. That's what I meant. But y'all, you know, y'all. Don't let me finish my thoughts. Don't let me finish my sentences. If somebody would have told me, Joe, that Ant man was going to struggle shooting the ball tonight and they were going to win this game because Rudy Gobert was going to be one of the few guys in a playoff game to have a 2020 game. I went down and said, okay, I like that. Rudy Gobert came into the game averaging three points and six rebounds on the night. And he gave you 27 and 24. He gave you nine offensive rebounds. They had 18 offensive rebounds. They crushed the Lakers on the glass 54 to 37, 18 to eight on the offensive end, 36 to 29 on the defensive end, for a total of 54 for the Wolves, 37 for the Lakers. And you get Ant man shooting 5 of 19 for 15 points. You got Jaden Daniels that was in foul trouble. He ended up filing out with only eight points. Mike Conley did hit a big three down the stretch, but he only had eight points. But again, it was the undoing of their bench. They got 22 points from their bench. The Lakers got four. I'm gonna say this and I'm gonna turn it over to you, Joe JJ Stubborn for him not to play, Jackson Hayes to play, Maxi Cleber, who hadn't played, I don't know the last time he played. And you play him and a lot of these guys like, and like I'm saying, I'm not saying it would have made a difference, but it's like you're not. Don't play the guy at all after Rudy because you put LeBron at the four. You're so strong, you're really, really small. Cause LeBron is six, nine. So LeBron is the tallest guy you got. And Rudy just was playing tap, tap, tap, tap, tap. What did you like? How do. How were the Wolves able to win this game? And on the road in a hostile environment?
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Joe Johnson
I think the T. Wolves really knew it was at stake tonight, you know, knowing that they wanted to try to go and get this over with. You know, the Lakers look so lethargic to start the game.
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Shannon Sharpe
It's like they did. He would. No system had all the energy.
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Joe Johnson
They had the sense of urgency, as if they was on the brink, you know what I mean? And they kind of controlled the whole entire game. It was, it wasn't one time in the game that I thought the Lakers, you know, even though they made their little surge at the end.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, got a one point lead.
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Joe Johnson
But I never felt threatened that they was going to win the game. I'm gonna be honest. They just had no fluidity offensively, no, no chemistry. It was just pick and roll. Try to exploit Bron in the post. And man, even though Ant man didn't, he didn't shoot well. I thought he put a lot of pressure on those guys. And Rudy won the game for you. This is why you probably put Dorian Finney Smith at the 5. Because you really want to eliminate Rudy. You want to get him to where he can't play. Cause he's bound to have a game like this to where he can win you a game. And tonight, I mean, man, Everything was falling his way from the lobs, the putbacks, just being aggressive. Randle, probably I give him the game, but I know Rudy was special tonight. But Randle, they have no answer for him. When they run the pick and roll and get a mismatch. Even if they play great defense, he's still banging them one time, getting to a great shot. You know what I mean? So their interior just has no presence. And we knew this coming into the playoffs. We knew they had no interior presence. And tonight, though, man, they got wore down in this series. And the young T. Wolves took advantage. Man of a wounded animal. Because they didn't have Ocho.
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Shannon Sharpe
You and I talked about this. Ocho. I said, ocho, they don't have a big. I said, if they run into somebody with a big, that can punish them. We were looking at. I was looking at. From a standpoint, well, okay, okay. If they run into Yoke or if they run in. And I'm trying to think of the bigs that was in there. Maybe if they run into Sink. Shit. But I wasn't thinking about Rudy Gobert because I don't think of Rudy Gobert as an offensive. This was Rudy Gobert's 27 points. Playoff career high. 24 rebounds playoff career high. Oo. I'm go. I'm gonna let you have it. Out players with at least 25 points and 20 rebounds on 75% field goal shooting. How you like these names? Shaquille O'Neal, Will Chamberlain, Moses Malone, Ho Grant, Wes Umsel, Rudy Gobert, Shaq. MVP. Will 4 times MVP. Moses 3 time MVP. Ho. Grant was a very important card to a championship in Chicago and in at the Lakers. Wes on sale. He just happened to be rookie of the year and MVP in the same season, but also in the hall of Fame.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah. Yeah, I thought it was good. I thought it was great tonight. I thought Rudy was great. He's in there with some of the greats now, you know, and he gave the Lakers. He gave them problems tonight. Uncle Ocho, you know, they. They had no. But I thought he played great off of Randall and Edwards, you know what I mean? Meaning by their aggression getting to the basket, whether it's him getting put. They kind of got him going because he scored.
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Shannon Sharpe
It opened him up because now you come to help. You come. Guy gets beat, you go to hell. You see him lobbing. Because here's the thing. They didn't run that one play.
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JJ Redick
Nah.
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Shannon Sharpe
All he did was get. He called lobs and he got it off the rim and dunk. Yeah.
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Joe Johnson
And he got something early. He got, he got a couple easy layups and dunks early, which kind of got him going. And he kind of carried that throughout the whole night. And defensively he was a monster, blocking shots, altering shots. And offensively he was just a cleanup man.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yeah, what you think?
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JJ Redick
Listen, not only was it a cleanup man to piggyback on what Joe talk about, listen, when you get cut and they tell you not to get an ocean, they tell you not to get an ocean for a reason. Because once shark smell blood in the water, boy, they coming to get you. And the Timberwolf spell, they smell blood Tonight. A game like this three one, you know, you got to put some type of effort, some type of intensity going forward. The Lakers came out, they came out flat. They came out flat. The wolves had already beat him, beat him at home before. So coming to again, coming into the hostile environment, they already got confidence because listen, we've already done it before, so what's the chance that we can do it again? The likelihood is probably good. Even with Anthony Edwards not having the type of game he has to have. You have the unlikely person that comes out and wins the game for you. Rudy Gobert he dominated both both ends of the court. Neutralizes LA LA drives having be feasted on second chance points Looking Bad it's.
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Shannon Sharpe
The Pistons go to New York and beat the knicks. Cade Cunningham 24 points, 8 rebounds, 8 assists Asura Thompson, 22 points on 8 or 10 field goals, 7 rebounds, 2 blocks. Tobias Harris, 1784 blocks. Jaylen Duran, 9 points, 14 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 blocks. The game is really, really close. The Pistons have scored 421 points. The Knicks 429 rebounds, 180. Pistons are dominating this category. 182 to 148 plus 34, three points made, three pointers made 44 for the Pistons, 47 for the Knicks. Turnovers. Had it not been for turnover, Detroit might have done won this series. 70 turnover to 46 points in the paint 1176 to 180 in favor of the Knicks. But the games have been very, very close. Yeah, and who knows, had they called that foul Sunday, we might be having a different conversation today.
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Joe Johnson
Yeah, we might be even. Even with them squandering away the 21 point league with letting the Knicks go on their 21, that 210 nothing run. But I think this has been an even season. These are two teams who are pretty even to me, if you ask me. But Detroit is just so gritty. The biggest discrepancy, what I see is in the free throws. Detroit, Detroit shot 16 for 27 tonight. I mean, the Knicks shot 16 for 27. 59% in Detroit was 26 for 36 from the line. The Knicks miss 11 free throws, both of them. Knicks miss 11 free throws, shooting 59% from the line. You lose by one, you like, damn, they out there competing, man.
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Shannon Sharpe
I think.
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Joe Johnson
I think Detroit has kind of wore the Knicks down a little bit. If you just want me to be honest, like this is a bruising series. I mean, you look at Brunson, I ain't think he was going to come back for the game in Detroit, but he did, and they end up winning. And I think it's just kind of, you know, as the games go on, you know, I think it kind of wears them down. That's why I say early in the series, you want to pick him up, full court, bump and grind, all that. By the time we get the game, game six, five, seven. Yeah, he gonna be broke down a little bit.
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Shannon Sharpe
No.
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JJ Redick
Yeah.
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Shannon Sharpe
TF's don't wore him down during the regular season. Playing in 43, 44 minutes a night. Regular season, that's what stop.
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Joe Johnson
Cause in the playoffs, it continues. It's not like it stops in the playoffs, you know what I mean? He only got a rotation of seven, eight guys. And you ain't got really.
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Shannon Sharpe
That's in the regular season. He might cut that down to six in the postseason.
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Joe Johnson
So, you know, all they guys are pretty average today. They didn't have nobody who kind of, you know, stepped up and separated themselves to, you know, be able to pull his win off. But this one, I think this one going seven, man, and I got Detroit pulling out at seven.
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Shannon Sharpe
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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JJ Redick
You got Detroit winning this one, man. This, you know, the Knicks are not going to lose this. I. Listen, I know they, they swallowing tonight. Listen, the knicks had what, 13 turnovers. They missed 11, 11 free throws. Jalen Brunson and Car, they were nine, nine for 30, you know, shooting tonight. Brunson only scoring 16. I think what Towns had, Towns has 17. I think it was more so the turnovers, even though they, they, they barely lost. I don't think Jalen Brunson has another game like this. He never have another game like this. This was the down game for him, you know, scoring, scoring 17, 16 tonight. But I, I don't, I don't, I don't see, I don't see them losing this game. I mean, excuse me, losing this series, you know, it was just a bad night tonight. It was a bad day. Tired.
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Joe Johnson
Man, they look wore down to me. I'm gonna be honest with you. And to play another. Gotta go back to Detroit now and, and play, play in Detroit travel. I think they, I think Detroit doing what they want as far as wearing them down, you know, making this a long series out, it's going to be in Detroit's favor.
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JJ Redick
Yeah, I don't know.
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Shannon Sharpe
If you look at the bench, Schroeder is coming in giving great minutes. Beasley is giving them tremendous business. They had 26 bench points. They outscored him on the bench six 19. So they outscored. They outscored him 26 to 19 on the bench. And you see the difference in the ball game. But I think when Schroeder comes in, he does a great job. He gets Cade Cunningham off the ball. He's making timely shots. He's distributing the ball. Malik Beasley is coming in, making some timely threes. I love Unsour Thompson. I love the way he play. He's aggressive. He could, he could. Hey, and he's a two way player. He can pick you up full court. Hey, he could put the ball on the floor, get to the rim. He's rebounding. J.B. bickerstaff has done an unbelievable job with this team and you can see why he was in the running for coach of the year. I get Kenny Atkinson one. I got no problem with that. They were the best team in the east record wise from start to finish. But what J.B. bickerstaff has done with this team, oh yeah, and to get them into the sixth seed and get them in a situation where they could possibly get out of the first round, he's done a heck of a job and he should be commended. Cause these young guys, now, they get one more piece. I still believe they're a piece away from truly, truly contending. But they got some young guys, what they got 45 rebounds. They got out rebound a little bit, but you know, you've got a seven foot cat, you got a six'eleven seven foot Mitchell Robinson, and they just got the one big. But give those guys credit. I thought they were gritty. And even though when the Knicks went on that run and passed them up, that's a young team on the road and they kept it together, they kept their poise and they ended up coming back, going their own run, take the lead, lead and double right back.
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Joe Johnson
They were special, man. They were special. You're going to have to give, you know, you're going to have to look out for Detroit. Give them credit. I don't think Cade didn't play a great game. He was 6 for 17 from the field, but for the most part, you know, he controlled the game. I love his aggression.
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Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
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Joe Johnson
12 free throws made 11 of them. So it lets me know, you know, he ain't just selling for Jo. Be aggressive getting to the cup. But yeah, like you say, The Thompson kid, 8 for 10, you know, him getting to the line, he was 6 for 12 from the line, but he's being aggressive as well. So, you know, Detroit has enough to advance out this series. They just got to be poised and patient, you know, especially down the stretch and closing these games. Hold on.
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Shannon Sharpe
That's the difference.
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JJ Redick
Hold on, hold on.
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Shannon Sharpe
Go ahead. Go ahead, Ojo.
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JJ Redick
Hey, hey, hold on now because this is this the second time I heard Joe say this, and not only you saying that Detroit is going to close this series out in seven, but you're saying it with confidence. Like, how much do you really believe in the Pistons? I'm just curious.
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Joe Johnson
I believe in them a lot, Ocho. They young, they ready for the moment. They understand the moment. I mean, they didn't win in the. They done went in the garden and won two games, bro.
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JJ Redick
I mean, we talk about Big Body Brunson, right? Carl Anthony Towns, Josh Hart. Yeah, you show, you show about that.
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Joe Johnson
Them boys nice, they play hard. I like it. But I think they wore down. I'm Be honest with you, man.
- [28:01]
JJ Redick
Okay, well, I'm saying, you. You willing to put some money on that, or.
- [28:04]
Joe Johnson
Oh, man, I know you probably still. Oh, man, I don't even know if I.
- [28:08]
Shannon Sharpe
Ain't no problem. He still do.
- [28:10]
Joe Johnson
I'm sorry to bring up somebody and get in somebody else pocket, but it's hard for me to bet with you, brother. I'm sorry. I don't know what you want from me.
- [28:16]
Shannon Sharpe
Come on.
- [28:17]
JJ Redick
All right, shut it down. Shut it down. Shut it down. Let's say. Let's let. Bet 5200. Bet 52.
- [28:22]
Shannon Sharpe
Me trying to move. He tried to move his head over you.
- [28:34]
Joe Johnson
Yeah. Hey, hey, No, I ain't going, Ojo. You can try somebody else, brother. Hey, hey, hey, Ojo. I might have something for you, though. They got this pickleball tournament, man, and I need a. Oh, I know you don't do nothing with them hips. You ain't gonna move around with.
- [28:53]
Shannon Sharpe
No, I got nothing for you. I got bad hips and bone on bone in my little choke.
- [28:59]
Joe Johnson
100 grand to the winning team. O Joe.
- [29:03]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, man, they gonna beat the hell out y'all.
- [29:05]
JJ Redick
Well, who I'm playing?
- [29:05]
Joe Johnson
You gonna play with me?
- [29:08]
Shannon Sharpe
Hey, the hell out y'all. See, he don't even know you, his partner.
- [29:12]
JJ Redick
Hold on, hold on. Hey, Joe boy, you seen me play tennis, right?
- [29:15]
Joe Johnson
I ain't saying boy.
- [29:17]
JJ Redick
Listen, I play. But listen, I'm telling you, I listen. I lie for you before I lie to you. Now, I could play some tennis. The clips, you can see the clips. And the uncle vouch for me. People in the chat can bounce for me. I played tennis growing up. I'm very good at tennis. So switching to pickleball. Hey, I'm gonna be all over the court, bruh.
- [29:34]
Shannon Sharpe
I'm telling you, Joe, you just asked that, man. You say, hey, Ocho, come down here and play. You got this pickleball tournament.
- [29:41]
JJ Redick
Yeah, I thought it was solo.
- [29:42]
Shannon Sharpe
I thought it was solo, Ocho. Say, who won't be?
- [29:47]
JJ Redick
Hey, hold on. What's the date? Let me know.
- [29:50]
Joe Johnson
It's in the Hamptons, though, Ocho. It's in the Hamptons.
- [29:54]
Shannon Sharpe
Sag harbor, upstate.
- [29:57]
JJ Redick
Upstate who?
- [29:59]
Shannon Sharpe
Don't worry about it, Joe.
- [30:00]
JJ Redick
If I know.
- [30:01]
Joe Johnson
Wait, wait.
- [30:03]
JJ Redick
I'm learning about history. I'm learning about my history. What?
- [30:05]
Joe Johnson
That's upstate New York.
- [30:08]
JJ Redick
Oh, that's right there. How far that from the Bronx?
- [30:11]
Joe Johnson
Like, look how far that is.
- [30:14]
Shannon Sharpe
You got a helicopter?
- [30:17]
JJ Redick
I ain't getting on the helicopter.
- [30:19]
Shannon Sharpe
Or you could drive. It's probably. I'm assuming it's Probably a couple hours, Maybe an hour, hour and a half. Yeah.
- [30:25]
JJ Redick
Oh, okay.
- [30:26]
Joe Johnson
But your lateral movement like that. You like that?
- [30:29]
JJ Redick
Boy, you ain't that boy.
- [30:30]
Shannon Sharpe
You better go.
- [30:30]
JJ Redick
You better YouTube me. What D. Feed don't play. Hey, listen, listen. I play tennis on the big court. My ladder movement is phenomenal. It's like I'm still 22 years old, right? But then you think about pickleball. The court is so small, so it takes me to get from one end to the other. If I'm playing solo in, like, three steps.
- [30:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [30:49]
JJ Redick
So my. My short. My short area quickness is still there. Nothing has really changed. I'm still. I still got my. I'm still real twitchy, so I'm excited. Just let me know the date so I can block those off.
- [30:59]
Shannon Sharpe
I got you.
- [31:00]
JJ Redick
I'm ready.
- [31:01]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, we're gonna get.
- [31:02]
Shannon Sharpe
Yeah.
- [31:02]
JJ Redick
Wait, how.
- [31:03]
Joe Johnson
Wait, how.
- [31:03]
JJ Redick
How much?
- [31:03]
Joe Johnson
How much?
- [31:04]
JJ Redick
How much? We went 100,000.
- [31:06]
Shannon Sharpe
It's 90 minutes. It's 90 minutes. It'S a 90 minute. Yeah, we. Oh.
- [31:10]
JJ Redick
Oh, that. That ain't bad. The ham. A lot.
- [31:12]
Shannon Sharpe
But most people. Most people hold you. Most people take the helicopter. No, no, no.
- [31:16]
JJ Redick
Cause that sounds. That sound like it costs too much. I drive. I can get a rental car for $60.
- [31:20]
Shannon Sharpe
I promise you, if you got a house in the Hampton, you not worried about no cost to your helicopter. You probably own the helicopter.
- [31:26]
JJ Redick
Hey, hold on. Wait. Time out. Time out.
- [31:28]
Shannon Sharpe
Hold it.
- [31:28]
JJ Redick
The Hampton's, like, for the rich folk, huh?
- [31:30]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [31:31]
JJ Redick
Joe, you got a house?
- [31:32]
Joe Johnson
Nah, I got some people over there. I know some people who know some people. You know what I'm saying? Like, we good.
- [31:37]
JJ Redick
Okay, Okay. I like, like, rich. Like rich people, huh?
- [31:42]
Joe Johnson
I know some people, Ocho. Hey, you know, you're gonna have plenty of room. We got some room now, you know, Y'all can come down the half. Yeah, yeah. I mean, when is.
- [31:52]
Shannon Sharpe
When is. Hey, is in June. When is it?
- [31:54]
Joe Johnson
I'm gonna give y'all the dates. I'm gonna send y'all the dates I'm gonna have.
- [31:57]
Shannon Sharpe
Y'all might. I'm like, hey, I need. I need. I need a place I can let my hair down. I can relax and laugh at Ocho when he go out there in the ball. He knocking his head.
- [32:06]
Joe Johnson
Oh, no.
- [32:07]
JJ Redick
Now, you know I know how to play some. Listen. Hey, Joe. Ping pong. Ping pong. I'm the Liberty City ping pong champ in Overtown, too. I'm ping. I'm him.
- [32:17]
Joe Johnson
I'm.
- [32:17]
JJ Redick
I'm messing.
- [32:18]
Shannon Sharpe
Ocho. Ocho. Who you think they Call to train the Asian to play table tennis. Ocho.
- [32:24]
Joe Johnson
Yes.
- [32:24]
Shannon Sharpe
Your boy. Wait, who?
- [32:27]
JJ Redick
Oh, you can't play no table tennis. You can't even see. You wear glasses.
- [32:33]
Shannon Sharpe
Hello.
- [32:34]
Joe Johnson
Hey. Sound like.
- [32:36]
JJ Redick
Hey, hey, chat Chad. Do me a favor, Chad. Y'all send Joe on Twitter and Instagrams, send him some clips of me playing tennis so he understands how good I am.
- [32:45]
Joe Johnson
All right. Okay. All right.
- [32:47]
JJ Redick
Yeah, yeah.
- [32:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Pickleball, you ain't good. But I like Joe. I agree with you. I think it's gonna be a seven game series. I do think, I think the Pistons gonna tie this thing up. 3, 3. And they're going to come back. Now this is not going to be a good look for the, for the Knicks if they lose this series because remember they had the lead on, on the last year they had to lead on the Pacers and the Pacers win game six. And then they go in the Knicks and go into game seven and they blow them out on the home court. I don't know. Tips lose. This one might be, but you might be in trouble, be in the hot seat.
- [33:18]
Joe Johnson
But yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's just my gut feeling. I like how the Pistons playing. Look, every game you ain't going to win, every game is not going to be pretty. You got to win some ugly games, you know what I mean? And I think tonight was one of those ugly games that they ended up pulling out. And that ain't nothing but, you know, more experience for their young team over there, especially on the road.
- [33:40]
Shannon Sharpe
It's one thing to win a closed game at home, but you go on the road into a hostile environment. We don't understand what Madison Square msg, we understand what that is and that's a gritty team, the Knicks and to go in there and get a hard fought victory. Pistons got a lot of confidence. The Celtics close out The Magic Game 5. Jason Tatum was sensational. 35 points, 8 rebounds, 10 assists. Celtics are 71 all time in the playoffs when they record, when he records 10 assists. Jason Tatum's last three games, he went 35, 8 and 10, 37, 14, 3, 36, 9 and 4. He's playing like that. And then you got Jaylen Brown gave you 23 and 6.
- [34:19]
Joe Johnson
It's going to be hard to stop him.
- [34:21]
JJ Redick
Hey, hey, you know what? And, and Joe, it's, it's almost unfair, man. Yeah, it's over. Yeah, it's almost unfair just watching them. I, I think about fair play when it comes to salary cap and, and it's like, how do you have all these players? Not only you have all these players that are good. Not. Not just the starting five, the goddamn bench. Calm down.
- [34:46]
Shannon Sharpe
Payne Pritchard, Sam Houser.
- [34:48]
JJ Redick
And they don't miss a beat. Obviously the game of basketball is a game of runs, but you don't feel bad about subbing or having people coming in and out the game because you understand what you're getting once your starters go out. It's unfair and I hate to jump the gun, but I'm sure it's fair for me to be able to say, and I'm sure the chat would agree with me, that the Celtics are probably going to end up winning the NBA championship again. And if they keep the same squad together, there's a chance they win that motherfucker again next year too.
- [35:18]
Joe Johnson
It's possible. It's possible. The guys coming off the bench, man, they barely missed shots tonight. I mean, they, they weren't playing with Orlando. They was ready to close, man.
- [35:27]
Shannon Sharpe
Man, Orlando had a lead and next thing I know, they down by 20. I'm like, what the hell happened? You know? Cause hey, I couldn't get the game. So I'm watching, I'm watching on my phone. And you know, the thing is, it don't go. So, you know, I forgot. Did I hit the little back arrow o joke? That thing. I'm like, hold on, what happened?
- [35:48]
Joe Johnson
Orlando need a. They need a point guard over there. With Ben Carroll and Wagner. They need.
- [35:55]
Shannon Sharpe
They do.
- [35:56]
Joe Johnson
They need a G over there.
- [35:58]
Shannon Sharpe
Jalen Suggs and Norman, the point guard. I don't know why they didn't play Cole.
- [36:03]
Joe Johnson
I don't know.
- [36:03]
Shannon Sharpe
Cole. Anthony might have been hurt, but I.
- [36:06]
Joe Johnson
Got some decent minutes. He gave him some decent minutes.
- [36:09]
Shannon Sharpe
Not enough though. But I'm saying he didn't play a whole lot the series. He played this. It seemed like he played this game out of desperation. You know what I'm saying? It's like we ain't. Hey, let's throw all we got. Cause he ain't been playing on the red. Cause I watched him like, well, damn, where's Suggs? I know. Excuse me. Cole Anthony. Suggs is nicked. Currently. Jaylen Brown had 23.6 rebounds. Boston has won 16 straight playoff games when he scored 20 or more points.
- [36:37]
JJ Redick
That's crazy, man.
- [36:38]
Shannon Sharpe
They got a two headed monster because think about it. No, you got JT and JB, you got Derrick White, that can give you solid 20. You got Porzingis, that can give you 20. You got Holiday, that's going to play on Both into the court and can give you somewhere 12 to 16. You got Al Horford. Big Al ain't no Kelly. Hey, he gonna play outstanding defense. He gonna rebound for you. He gonna hit some shots, you know, can give you double digits. Then you get Peyton Pritchard coming off the bench. You get Cole Hower coming off the bench. They got a cornet.
- [37:07]
Joe Johnson
They got a bunch of guys chipping in, man. A bunch of guys chipping in. That's that championship pedigree. They know they rose, they play it to the tee, they start in their rules. It's gonna be tough to beat them in a seven game series. I don't care who you are.
- [37:19]
Shannon Sharpe
JJ Redick said fatigue wasn't a factor in the Lakers lost Sunday night. Reddick became the first coach to use the same five for the entire half of game since at least 1998. As far back as substitution tracking goes, JJ said today our two best players missed layups at the rim. And I don't think they missed layups because they were tired. I spoke to everyone yesterday, they would have potentially played the second half and they all understood there was no issue with that. LA has been outscored 105 to 69 in the fourth quarter of this series. They're shooting 25 of 78 of 32%.
- [37:55]
JJ Redick
Hey, Unk.
- [37:55]
Joe Johnson
That's fatigue.
- [37:56]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [37:57]
JJ Redick
Hey, unk. The famous phrase when you play sports, fatigue makes a fool of us all.
- [38:05]
Shannon Sharpe
Makes cowards of us all.
- [38:06]
JJ Redick
But yes, that too. Easy layups. Easy layup. Easy layup. Layups. That's fatigue. Lack of concentration, lack of focus. One of the easiest shots to make. That's fatigue.
- [38:22]
Shannon Sharpe
Yes.
- [38:23]
JJ Redick
Come on now.
- [38:24]
Podcast Host
Come on.
- [38:24]
JJ Redick
Come on, J.P. come on.
- [38:27]
Shannon Sharpe
Listen, I don't care what LeBron says. I don't care what he says. He's playing. He played 46 minutes on 40 year old legs. There's a reason why he only took two shots. He had zero points in the fourth quarter. He was exhausted.
- [38:39]
Joe Johnson
And it's physical.
- [38:41]
Shannon Sharpe
Luka played for. Yes. Cause you got to bang Julius Randle. You got to chase somebody. It's not like you just standing out there like a traffic cop. Right? Right.
- [38:49]
Joe Johnson
And look, you see ant man out there taking the challenge. They having a whole shoving match out there. That take energy, bro, to do that. You know he ain't. Oh yeah, just walk down to the block, catch it on your spot and get comfortable. He fighting. And then you fight me down to this spot. By the time he get the ball, you're going to be a little exhausted and that's that whole plan. Just wrestling. Wear him down, man. You can't play no whole half with no NBA basketball, playoff basketball.
- [39:14]
Shannon Sharpe
And don't think with that intensity, with the focus that's required stretch.
- [39:19]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, I say that definitely was fatigue for me. I mean, I just seen careless mistakes for sure. You know, Careless mistakes.
- [39:28]
Shannon Sharpe
And what, what was this? What was he supposed to say? Of course you're not gonna say fatigue because you allowed those guys to play that many minutes so that would make you look bad. Of course you're not gonna say fatigue was a part of it because it was your decision. I disagree. I think most people would disagree with you that fatigue was an issue. If fatigue wasn't an issue, team will be playing their guys for 24 minutes in the second half all the time. Nobody does that. Yep, nobody does that poor stuff.
- [39:57]
JJ Redick
But, but, but listen, but listen, hey, uncle and Joe, nobody does that for a reason. But in the Lakers situation, they don't have a choice but to do it. They even have, they even have a chance.
- [40:08]
Shannon Sharpe
They got six points from the bench. They got six points from the bench and theoretically wasn't a bench because Finney Smith played the entire second half. So the problem that they're running into is that Minnesota is able to play Rudy Gobert for 20 minutes. They can't play Jackson, Jackson, Hayesbut for six. So now you bring, now you put LeBron at the five. Now he has to bang Julius Randle or he has to, you know, so, so at some point in time, Gabe Vincent, Jackson, Hayes, he lost all confidence and don't connect because he didn't down connect his DNP coaching decision. And he might can help him by spacing the floor and knocking down some threes, but he can't remember his defensive assignment, he can't remember the rotation of what he's supposed to do. Do I hedge? Do I go with the road? What do I do? Do I do. And I think so, jj.
- [40:58]
Joe Johnson
I think it's a lot of pressure on the perimeter guys too. Austin Reaves, Luke Rogers. Yeah, it's a lot of pressure on them, not only to score, but to defend. Let me tell you something, in this atmosphere, playoff atmosphere, if you can't guard the first dribble or two to give yourself some time to where we can at least get eyes on the man or give you a little help, then when you getting beat off the first move, Ocho, man, we can't get help there fast enough to help you, man. Look, they getting in the paint, they getting in the teeth of our defense and doing whatever they want. Cause look if they get past the guards, our backline defenses, Braun and Dorian, Finney Smith and yeah or Rui. Yeah like you know you have no, you have no rim protection. You know you, you, you, you in scramble mode every defensive possession and it's just tough. It's just going to be hard for them to win. I think the size that that the Timberwolves have may taking advantage of it.
- [41:53]
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- [44:58]
Shannon Sharpe
I agree with you, Joe. I think the thing is, what's happening is that first of all, Luca can't stop nobody off the first dribble. So they're getting around him. And so when you bring him guys getting, putting the guys that's in the dunker spot or getting wild open shots and a shoot around threes. So now and then Ant Man, Ant man, he keeps Austin Reeves or he keeps ruin or he keeps Luca in the pick and roll. No, I want him bring him to me and then they letting him play one on one. You can't let Ant man play one on one. He's a supreme skill, one on one player. You gotta make him play team ball, make somebody else beat you. Especially just like tonight. We saw Jamal Murray get hot. He had 43 just like Ant Man. And what happened? They let him play one on one. Okay? You let a guy get hot and you let him play one on one, I'll be sorry.
- [45:46]
Joe Johnson
I think what has happened is by them trapping Ant man or kind of putting him in this little cage to, you know, make him get a ball up, he's making the right plays, Ocho and them guys are making the Lakers pay. Whether it's McDaniels getting dunks or threes, or Randle, you know, making the right play when he catch at the free throw line where he attacking the basket because they ain't got no rim protection and he's getting to the line, shooting free throws or whatever he wants. And then in the fourth quarter, when Ant man see, he know he can beat the double team anytime he wants, he starts beating the double team and he starts putting the onus on the Lakers as far as getting in the Paint making plays, shooting the threes. And now you can't stop that.
- [46:27]
Shannon Sharpe
But here's the thing though, Joe, is that if you go back and look at Sunday's game, he's raising up, shooting three distance, trap him, get the ball out of his hand. See, I want to make guys, I want to make. Let's see if Jay McDaniel can make those plays in the fourth quarter with five minutes to go. I know Ant man can beat me. Ant Man. Ant man is one of the five or six great, best players in the NBA. So I know what he's more than capable of doing.
- [46:49]
Joe Johnson
Right? Okay, let's see.
- [46:50]
Shannon Sharpe
Let's see what you got, Josh. Jay McDaniel, you got that?
- [46:54]
Joe Johnson
I think he can do it. He's shown this, he's shown and proven this series on that. Going see it again in there.
- [47:02]
Shannon Sharpe
I want to see it.
- [47:02]
Joe Johnson
I want to be open. That man going to be confident. He going to take his shots, he going to attack the basket. I think defensively when he plays great defense, it kind of fuels his offense, you know what I mean? I think that's kind of for all of them. And if you notice Minnesota, they guards, they don't give up a lot of easy points. I know Luka can go on the run, I know AR can get hot, but for the most part, they sit down and guard, man, they sit down and guard.
- [47:24]
Shannon Sharpe
But. Yeah, but the difference is, is that Luke is shooting over the top. Those guys are breaking you down, getting to the basket. There's a difference. Look, there's a greater chance that you're going to miss that 27, 28 footer than me missing this layup. Cause you see what's happening and it's finishing at the rim. Or they're filing it.
- [47:47]
Joe Johnson
They ain't got no choice.
- [47:48]
Shannon Sharpe
Guys are finishing. We really don't have. I mean, Luka can beat you off the dribble, but it's not. It's because of savviness. He ain't gonna just. He ain't gonna just and buy you. He gonna herky jerky, you know, he gonna sit down on you, he gonna hey step through you off the glass and stuff like that. We got this tomorrow night though.
- [48:09]
JJ Redick
Whoa, here we go. Here we go again.
- [48:12]
Shannon Sharpe
Got this tomorrow night. No Joe.
- [48:14]
JJ Redick
So hold on, hold on. You said Lakers and Fab, right? So obviously that's not. There's no chance for that. So you still feel the Lakers have a chance to win this series?
- [48:22]
Joe Johnson
Come on, keep you.
- [48:24]
JJ Redick
You really believe that though? I'm ass. Seriously.
- [48:30]
Joe Johnson
No, I don't believe that. He just going with it because he been rolling with them all. All year.
- [48:36]
Shannon Sharpe
Hold on, hold on, Joe. Let me share. You say we ain't gonna win tomorrow night?
- [48:42]
Joe Johnson
No, no, I don't got y'all win. I got Minnesota coming in there. I got them coming to La La Land, throwing a whole party up in there in Crypto.
- [48:51]
JJ Redick
And you know what happened if y'all lose tomorrow, right?
- [48:54]
Shannon Sharpe
Ain't nothing happened because we're not losing.
- [48:56]
JJ Redick
I'm just saying, you know what's going to. I'm hypothetically speaking. Do you know what happened?
- [49:00]
Shannon Sharpe
I don't do hypotheticals. I don't do hypotheticals. Hypothetically, if I slept in my garage, I'd be a Maybach. But guess what? Hypothetical, since you. If that's all, if you sleep in your garage, you'll come.
- [49:13]
JJ Redick
Nope.
- [49:14]
Shannon Sharpe
No, you. You. You a fool. Because you should be inside of the bed. So that's why.
- [49:19]
Joe Johnson
Man.
- [49:19]
Shannon Sharpe
But what's up on it, Joe?
- [49:20]
Joe Johnson
Anything make you nervous? What you want that way?
- [49:24]
Shannon Sharpe
What up on it?
- [49:25]
JJ Redick
Well, I don't like. Yeah.
- [49:27]
Shannon Sharpe
No, you can't be. You don't try to be with.
- [49:29]
Joe Johnson
You earn your stripes. Oh, it's okay.
- [49:32]
Shannon Sharpe
Money.
- [49:33]
JJ Redick
I earned them. I earned my stripes. I wore stripes on my helmet.
- [49:37]
Shannon Sharpe
What you call them? Hey, you remember playoffs club with St. Louis? Would play Dollar Bill, Dollar Bill would play St. Louis. And he come, kept running out there. They doing something. Little man, they would tear him up. Had his head all in the car, put the cigarette out on his nose.
- [49:53]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, he going and done the building. Come on, man, your rap ain't that good right now, brother.
- [50:01]
JJ Redick
Who's right? Nah, my rap she good. I listen, the only person I ain't paid back is Unc. Everybody else got. They do.
- [50:09]
Joe Johnson
Damn. Yeah, let's go ahead.
- [50:13]
Shannon Sharpe
You know what? You know what? Let's better. Let's better. Dinner. Chops. Chops.
- [50:19]
JJ Redick
Yeah, man. Y'all bet y'all been sorry.
- [50:24]
Shannon Sharpe
Nah. Hey. Cause he already know when they see Mr. Sharp on the thing, they already go and cut that. That 10 ounce wagyu a5. They already know when I come, they go ahead and cut that thing out because they already know what I'm gonna order.
- [50:36]
JJ Redick
10 ounce.
- [50:36]
Shannon Sharpe
Who that? Wagyu A5.
- [50:42]
JJ Redick
Yeah, yeah, Wagu.
- [50:44]
Joe Johnson
Yeah, yeah. They ain't got that at McDonald's.
- [50:48]
JJ Redick
No, I'm saying I. I had some of the. The whack. The wago from. I went somewhere and I told uncle about it.
- [50:54]
Shannon Sharpe
I had.
- [50:55]
JJ Redick
They like. They brought it to the table. It Was like in little strips. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was. I was. I was on a. A little date. Yeah.
- [51:05]
Shannon Sharpe
Luka Doncic has stepped up to pay for the entire expected cost of restoring a vandalized moor depicting Kobe and Gigi Bryant in downtown la. He made a donation today to cover the entire goal of a GoFundMe page created by artist Louis Pasino. He wants to restore the mural titled mambas forever at 14th and Main Street. Luka, it's always been important to give back to the community. They gave me so much, so I just want.
- [51:32]
Joe Johnson
They messed the mule up.
- [51:35]
Shannon Sharpe
I don't know why. Come on.
- [51:37]
JJ Redick
People and they play. Listen, man, they don't respect nothing.
- [51:40]
Shannon Sharpe
You don't even care no more about nothing, man. I thought y'all. I thought they mean. Look, no matter. No matter how beloved or great you were, somebody is not going to take it. Somebody. Everybody going. Everybody don't like everybody.
- [51:56]
JJ Redick
Yeah.
- [51:57]
Shannon Sharpe
So you just. We just got to come to that conclusion. Like, man, Kobe, I fucking. Yeah, most people do like Kobe. 90% of the people in LA love Kobe. But ain't gonna be. There's never a such a situation where it's all or every.
- [52:10]
JJ Redick
Yeah.
- [52:11]
Shannon Sharpe
So once you remove all or every from your vocabulary.
- [52:14]
JJ Redick
Right.
- [52:15]
Shannon Sharpe
You be good.
- [52:17]
JJ Redick
I just. They're just thinking about it, man. Obviously, the passing of one of the greatest ever played a game. And it's still tragic passing. Yeah, the tragic passing. But the even bother the mural with great understanding. What Kobe means for that, for that city, what he's done for the Lakers organization and the people of la. To even want to vandalize a mural is beyond me. Beyond me. That's crazy.
- [52:41]
Joe Johnson
I agree. Damn it.
- [52:43]
Shannon Sharpe
It's more. It says more about them than. I mean, I mean, think about what it takes to go vandalize something. You ain't got nothing going on just to be destroyed. I don't know. Yeah, you do. Destroy some property that ain't that. That you didn't buy, that you did is not yours. People always destroy you. Hey, you want to destroy something, destroy your ish.
- [53:08]
Joe Johnson
They want to go viral. We in the eight. Anything you do go viral, they gonna catch.
- [53:15]
Shannon Sharpe
They catch the right person on the wrong day and they gonna be viral.
- [53:21]
JJ Redick
Damn, man.
- [53:22]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [53:23]
JJ Redick
God damn. Kobe.
- [53:25]
Shannon Sharpe
Stefan Castle is the recipient of the Wilt Chamberlain Trophy, the 2025 Kia, NBA Rookie of the Year spurs, and one back to back MVPs. Castle, 25, Victor Womenyama, 24. And they're the first teammates to go back to back since, you know, when Ocho who's the last teammates to go.
- [53:44]
Joe Johnson
Back to back, back to back? Rookie, rookie of the year.
- [53:55]
Shannon Sharpe
Andrew Wiggins and Carl Adams. Don't worry, don't turn your head. You turn your head the other way, it's still gonna be correct.
- [54:04]
Joe Johnson
Hey, I like the spurs, though. They got, they got a promising future. You know, they get, they get some hat over there, they gonna be all right.
- [54:14]
Shannon Sharpe
Because think about it, you know, they got Spurs. I mean, Wemby won it. Castle not wanted. David Robinson won it. Tim Duncan won it. So they've had four, four rookies.
- [54:23]
Joe Johnson
And in about two years, Wimby might be the best thing in the league.
- [54:29]
Shannon Sharpe
He incredible. I mean, for me, he shoots a little bit too many threes. For me, I like, hey, get your big, long, tall butt down on that block and you turn over one of your shoulders. But hey, that's, that's where, that's where these guys are.
- [54:43]
JJ Redick
Yeah.
- [54:44]
Shannon Sharpe
According to. There have been whispers around the league that the San Antonio spurs could be a potential landing spot for one Kevin Durant. You like Wimby and KD together?
- [54:57]
Joe Johnson
I do. I do. It look like he going somewhere in Texas, but I, I would love to see K, KD and Wim.
- [55:05]
Shannon Sharpe
Oh, Nico has to go try to make a move for him in Dallas. Yeah, I don't know what, I don't know what he. I don't know. In terms of draft picks, now we know he got one of the, one of the Lakers draft picks. I don't know if that's enough. I don't know if the spurs want that draft pick and one of those Bigs Lively or Gafford or somebody else, because he's really. He wants to compare. He wants to pair Kyrie, Ad.
- [55:29]
Joe Johnson
Well, Phoenix. Phoenix, the one tried to trade him. It wasn't like he asked for no trade. No, they probably, they'd probably be willing to, you know, do something. I can't see him, I can't see them not trading them. You know what I mean? They probably ain't gonna get actually what they want, but they'll probably get something.
- [55:47]
Shannon Sharpe
No, you're not gonna get what you gave up for all those draft picks. And they gave up. They gave up who? I say they gave up draft picks. You know, they gave them Mikhail Bridges and Cam Johnson and they gave. And they probably. I think they gave up like four first round picks. Three or four first round picks, and.
- [56:03]
Joe Johnson
It didn't work out.
- [56:05]
Shannon Sharpe
But you said, you know what, we're gonna win the championship. That's gonna be the last pick in the draft, yada, yada, yada. I'm not worried about it now. What happens when you don't. You don't even make the playoffs. And what you could get to rebuild, that goes to somebody else. Oh. You know what I'm saying? I buy all these blocks, honey.
- [56:23]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [56:23]
Shannon Sharpe
Man, my house gonna be so nice.
- [56:25]
Joe Johnson
When I get this thing.
- [56:26]
Shannon Sharpe
They're like, no, no, no, no, no. Them blocks that you just bought, they belong to me. Let me go and get those. Let me go get those pieces that you was gonna build your house with. Nah, let me get that.
- [56:37]
JJ Redick
I still like Katie. I still like Katie. Going to OKC now, I'm not sure how far OKC goes.
- [56:41]
Shannon Sharpe
I don't believe you're going over the playoffs.
- [56:44]
JJ Redick
I just. I think. I think the pairing of him, Sam Preston.
- [56:47]
Shannon Sharpe
Sam Preston, like, nah, that's, that's. That's done going on. You didn't tell me because look, they looking at it like, hold on, bro. If you talk. If we knew you was gonna live. Because think about it. A lot of times when you have a great player, you want to trade, if he know he leaving, I'm gonna trade you. Cause I'm gonna get some compensation. KD walked out the door. They didn't get nothing for him.
- [57:06]
JJ Redick
Yeah.
- [57:06]
Shannon Sharpe
Think about what you could have got for KD six years ago. Six, five, six first round picks. He walked out the door and you got nothing.
- [57:16]
JJ Redick
Yeah.
- [57:17]
Joe Johnson
Yeah.
- [57:19]
Shannon Sharpe
And they were able to rebuild it. A lot of that had to do with Shay because think about what the Clippers gave up to get Paul George. Think about what the Rockets gave up to get Russia. They traded Chris Paul, so they just. And Sam. You can say whatever you want about Sam Presti. He did draft kd. He did draft Russ. He did draft Harden, Ivanka, Reggie Jackson, Steven Adams, Jalen Williams. All those, all those Chad Holmgren, all those guys. He made the trade for Shane. He can pull the team.
- [57:56]
Joe Johnson
Got a great alpha talent. He got a great alpha talent. Ocho. I don't see that, Ocho. No, I just. I see OKC doing really well in this playoff this year.
- [58:11]
Shannon Sharpe
Okay, go ahead, Ocho, finish your thought.
- [58:15]
JJ Redick
I was gonna say what you think about KD coming to Miami with Jim.
- [58:21]
Shannon Sharpe
The volume.
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