Nightcap NBA Recap - Part 1: Magic Talks Luka’s Weight problem + Desmond Bane Traded

Summary

**Club Shay Shay – Episode Summary
Title: Nightcap NBA Recap - Part 1: Magic Talks Luka’s Weight Problem + Desmond Bane Traded
Host/Authors: iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media
Release Date: June 19, 2025

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Overview

In this engaging episode of Club Shay Shay, NFL legend Shannon Sharpe sits down with NBA icons Magic Johnson, Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson), and DJ Wells to dissect recent NBA developments. The primary focuses are Luka Doncic’s weight and health concerns and the significant trade involving Desmond Bane. The conversation weaves through strategic team analysis, player performances, and light-hearted banter about strength training, providing listeners with a comprehensive NBA recap.

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Luka Doncic’s Weight and Health Concerns

Magic Johnson opens the discussion by addressing concerns about Luka Doncic's physical condition and its impact on his performance and the Dallas Mavericks' championship aspirations.

• Magic Johnson (02:24):
  "Luka gotta understand this is not Dallas. We shouldn't have to tell you to be in shape... Right? Especially when you are super La La Land, baby."

• Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson) (03:38):
  "Yeah, if he can. He gotta stay in shape, stay healthy. I think that's the biggest thing."

Shannon Sharpe emphasizes that maintaining health is more crucial than merely staying in shape:

• Shannon Sharpe (04:28):
  "I wouldn't even say to stay in shape part. I say the stay healthy part."

The panel discusses the rigorous demands of the NBA season and how staying healthy helps players like Luka deliver consistent performances. They explore the challenges of balancing intense training with game schedules, highlighting the necessity of disciplined workouts and proper recovery to prevent injuries.

• Magic Johnson (05:10):
  "When you in your 30s, you getting that old man spread, you know, it get harder when you in your 20s, man. You should be able to just like that."

Ocho Cinco underscores the difficulty of maintaining fitness during the season, especially with back-to-back games:

• Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson) (05:45):
  "Because when you're playing every night, every other night... it's hard to be like, man, I gotta go in this weight room."

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Desmond Bane Trade Analysis

The conversation shifts to the hefty trade where the Memphis Grizzlies sent Desmond Bane to the Orlando Magic in exchange for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Pope Cole Anthony, four unprotected first-round picks, and a pick swap.

• Magic Johnson (44:59):
  "Let's talk about this trade. The Memphis Grizzlies sent Desmond Bain to the Orlando Magic for KCP... 1, 2, 3, 4 unprotected first-round picks and a pick swap."

• Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson) (45:47):
  "They gave up a lot for Desmond Bane, man. But I don't know what Memphis got going on over there."

DJ Wells assesses the trade's potential impact, suggesting that Bane could be a valuable asset for Orlando:

• DJ Wells (46:34):
  "I honestly think he's an upgrade from Kentavious Caldwell-Pope if we've been honest."

The hosts debate whether Memphis's hefty return signifies a strategic move to rebuild or a misguided attempt to bolster their roster. Magic questions the effectiveness of Memphis’s strategy:

• Magic Johnson (48:52):
  "I don't think they got better with this trade. I don't think Memphis, they're still in the play-in."

DJ Wells adds that Memphis's organizational decisions, including coaching changes, have been unstable:

• DJ Wells (47:25):
  "They're the same organization that fired a phenomenal coach. You always have to question any move they make."

The panel concludes that while the trade shows Memphis's willingness to invest in talent, the long-term benefits remain uncertain given the team's recent instability.

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Additional NBA Insights and Player Performance

The discussion broadens to compare players' skills and contributions across the league, touching on ball-handling prowess and the balance between offense and defense.

• Shannon Sharpe (29:13):
  "For me, I relate everything in soccer terms. To me, Kyrie's creativity is similar to that of Neymar and Ronaldinho."

• Magic Johnson (30:31):
  "I've never seen anybody have handles like Kyrie."

They analyze players like Jamal Tinsley and Kyrie Irving, debating their effectiveness and impact on the court. The conversation highlights how specific skills can elevate a player's game and influence their team's success.

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Friendly Banter and Strength Competition

A sizable portion of the episode features playful competition between Shannon Sharpe and Magic Johnson regarding their weightlifting capabilities. This segment adds a light-hearted element to the episode, showcasing the hosts' camaraderie.

• Shannon Sharpe (21:34):
  "I just walked in the gym and did 225 for 5 reps."

• Magic Johnson (21:34):
  "If the bar does not touch your chest, it does not count."

The hosts challenge each other to lifts, discuss their training routines, and interact with live chat comments, enhancing listener engagement through humor and friendly rivalry.

• Shannon Sharpe (37:06):
  "I worked out every day like I'm finna get a phone call. You just never know."

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Conclusion

Wrapping up the episode, the hosts reflect on the evolving landscape of the NBA, emphasizing the importance of strategic trades, player health, and maintaining high performance levels to achieve championship success.

• Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson) (40:42):
  "We're gonna do it for the culture. We're gonna do it for the fans."

The conversation underscores the dynamic nature of professional sports and the constant need for teams and players to adapt and strive for excellence.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Magic Johnson (04:14):
  "But why does he look every year he looks like he's dragging a piano behind his back."

• Shannon Sharpe (07:27):
  "My vice is cigars. But if it came down to it, if I had to stop, I could stop cold turkey when it comes to alcohol."

• Magic Johnson (07:40):
  "I don't think so, Ocho. Because, I mean, the man's 25, 26..."

• Shannon Sharpe (24:10):
  "That's what's wrong with society. We are visual creatures."

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Final Thoughts

This episode of Club Shay Shay offers a rich and comprehensive analysis of current NBA events, blending serious discussion with entertaining interactions. Shannon Sharpe and his guests provide valuable insights into player health, strategic trades, and the overall state of the league, making it a must-listen for NBA enthusiasts seeking depth and engagement.

Transcript

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[Magic Johnson]

The volume Magic Johnson spoke about what Luca and LeBron must do to win a title and he had this to say about Luca. Luca gotta understand this is not Dallas. We shouldn't have to tell you to be in shape. You should have already been about that. Right? Especially when, when you are super La La, Land, baby.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

They don't play that. No, they, they, they ain't. They ain't about nothing but championships, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So they.

[Magic Johnson]

And every superstar, every superstar that has come there has given them a championship. Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, LeBron, Anthony, Davis. Every superstar that they've gotten has delivered them a championship. I'm not talking to guys that they drafted. Obviously, you know, Magic got them a championship, Kobe got them a championship, but they didn't trade. Obviously, Shaq was a free agent. But every, every superstar that's come and if we want to classify AD as.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

A superstar, so be it.

[Magic Johnson]

I don't want to nitpick about that, but I'm just saying every big, big time player, free agent that's come to the Lakers has delivered a championship.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean, because.

[Magic Johnson]

Got to deliver it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You think Luka has a chance to deliver?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, if he can. He gotta stay in shape, stay healthy. I think that's the biggest thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I wouldn't even say to stay in shape part. I say the stay healthy part.

[Magic Johnson]

Well, what, what caused, what caused. What caused you to get. What caused you to get injured when you out of shape? Because when you out of shape, guess what happens? You pull things.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can be in shape and still get hurt.

[Magic Johnson]

Now.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You can.

[Magic Johnson]

But why does he look every year he looks like he's dragging a piano behind his back.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You're right. You're right. It's because he'd be bogged down.

[Magic Johnson]

Injuries. His body, his body wears down on him. Yeah, he's a phenomenal. And I'm not saying that. And people see, sometimes, Ocho, people just look at the end result. Well, look at the numbers that he's putting up.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Right?

[Magic Johnson]

But why does it look like. I mean, you see, he got Kinesio tape all on his back, all his shoulders, everything he's getting hold of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Magic Johnson]

With chicken wide mess tape.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah. I have a question too. You know.

[Magic Johnson]

Yes.

[Shannon Sharpe]

When you lose weight, when you gain weight, does it change his game? Will it change the game in the style of play, the way he plays the game, not having that extra weight, will he still be able to do some of the things that he does as far as using his body, you know, to play? Or you think.

[Magic Johnson]

No, I don't. I don't think so, Ocho. Because you know why? Because, I mean, the man's 25, 26, Ocho. I can see when you get. Look, you Start getting in your 30s. You getting that old man spread, Ocho, you know, it get harder when you in your 20s, man. You should be able to just like that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but I'm saying. I'm talking about his style of play. Will he still be able to use his body the same when he had.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

The other Ocho if he trained properly? You know what I mean? You train properly. You train for that. You prepare yourself for the upcoming season, whatever type of workout you doing. Yeah, yeah. I don't think it'll hurt him. I think it'll help him. Because when you hit late in the season, when you get to February, March, April, man, your body is still feel strong now. I think the one thing guys have to understand, it ain't just the off season that you get better, but during the season, you have to maintain that. You know what I'm saying? That's the hard.

[Magic Johnson]

Maintain that.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Because that's the hardest thing. Because when you playing every night, every other night, you know, it's hard to be like, man, I gotta go in this weight room, I gotta throw these weights around today. You know what I mean? I think that's the main thing, bro. Like, for me, uncle and Ocho, when I played, man, I love working out before the game. Like, literally before we played, two hours before I go up there and give me a nice little lift. Total body, you know, just to keep my body strong. So when I did get out there on the floor, you know, I felt good. You know what I mean?

[Magic Johnson]

I agree. I agree. Like I said. And look, when you got. When you're dealing with that kind of money, Ocho, everybody got private chefs. Everybody. Everybody got personal training, everybody got physios. And Luke is a guy, his trainer can travel with the team. I bet you they let his. Just like they let LeBron, Mike Macias probably travel.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, y' all know that thing come. It come down to one thing, bro, that's having discipline, having the. You got to put some of them beers down. I ain't saying you got to go cold turkey, but you can't be drinking beers every night, Ocho, after.

[Magic Johnson]

How about. How about this Ojo six pack? Not a case. That's all I'm saying. Get you a sick, nice little six pack. Hey, don't. Don't do the case. I'm just. Hey, hey, the hookah, babe. Hey, don't get the big thing of hookah, you know what I'm saying? Six to eight people. Some of.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Some of those habits for him are probably going to be hard to break, especially Depending on who he. Who he has around him. Those. Those habits that he's been doing for a very long time. We all have our vices, you know, My vice is cigars. But if it came down to it, if I had to stop, I could stop cold turkey when it comes to alcohol.

[Magic Johnson]

Let me ask you a question. Could you stop smoking cigars during the season for $60 million? Huh? Could you stop smoking cigars during the season for 60 million?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yes, you could?

[Magic Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I mean.

[Magic Johnson]

I'm just asking. Yes or no, could you stop smoking cigars?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Not addicted to it, of course.

[Magic Johnson]

Yeah, but. And that's the thing. Look, look. Michael Jordan smoked cigars during the season, but Michael Jordan was in tip top peak shape. You look at the caps on his shoulder. You look at his body. Now, if Luke. Hey, if Luca. If Luka wasn't going to wear down at the end of the year, right? As a matter of fact, hell, I bring him cigars. What them cigars you say? I got Tampa Nuggets right now. I got some Tampa Nuggets upstairs. Hey, look, whatever. Whatever game. Hey, I'll bring him. I'll bring him a six pack. I bring him a. I'll bring him a six pack. What you drinking?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, look.

[Magic Johnson]

Coors, Anheuser, Bud. What you drinking? Bud Light, Mig Light. What you want? Hey, I know he ain't drinking. No bull, no slit ball, Luca, no od. Hey, listen, so he probably drinking some Mitch.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I think he gonna come back in much better shape, but I think he's gonna have to maintain that throughout, you know, throughout the season. That's the toughest part. Man. I've been seeing him working out this summer, Ocho and Unk. So I know he hears the whispers. Believe me, he hear the whispers. He gonna come back. He gonna come back a different player for sure.

[Magic Johnson]

Working out in the off season is the easiest thing you can do because you got nothing but time.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Magic Johnson]

You know what I'm saying? Don't choke. Hey, you said that two hours a day. But it gets difficult. I mean, it gets hard. Man, you getting beat up. My shoulder's. I still got to find a way to go in there and lift. I got a bench. I got to do shoulder work. I got to do leg work. I got to do calf work. I got to do core work because that beating that I'm taking. And the last thing you want is the man you trying to ward off injury as long as you possibly can. And you know, once you get. You get nicked during the season, it's hard to get healthy because you can't get no rest. You can't get proper rest. You can't. They got your ass up at the wee hours of the morning. You. Hey, you can't train because you rehabbing. You doing all this training after. After practice, you there two hours before meeting, getting all the way through, then you get. Then you train. You rehab, icing and stem during lunch break, okay? You go out there, try to do some little walkthroughs, and then you got two hours after practice, so you get treatment five hours a day.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Remember them days?

[Magic Johnson]

Yeah, See, I know you remember them days. I remember them days, too.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Football. I know you can't make it through no season without lifting weights every week, Right.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Especially. Hey, Joe. And I could. I mean, Unc's body. Body type is a little different. I was small. I was. I was scrawny as hell, so I had no choice but to lift weights to maintain my strength. It wasn't about me. Oh, no muscle Joe. You know, I wasn't. I wasn't physically imposing, but I needed. Because the. The wear and tear on my body and I was so small. I had no choice. I had no choice but the lift weights throughout the entirety of the season because I would wear down if I didn't. I just wanted to maintain my strength and not maintain my strength to be strong, but to be able to withstand the punishment I was taking because I played reckless as hell like a goddamn rag doll.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey. And. And the position y' all playing here, y' all. Y' all pretty much running wind sprints the entire.

[Magic Johnson]

Yeah, basically, I was already undersized. I only weighed 228. Yeah, I weigh 228. So I had to be. I had to be strong. Strong. And I held. I held on for about. Till about week 13. That was why that thing started coming down all of a sudden.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Magic Johnson]

Hey, hey, like I said, I fought it longer.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's the same thing with basketball, though. Think about it.

[Magic Johnson]

When you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

When you got back to backs and you playing four games and five nights, man, you still gotta find time. I ain't saying you gotta go in there and squat no 400 pounds, but. But you gotta go in there and keep the body strong, you know, because when you go through that rigorous season for six to eight months, bro, if you're not lifting weights every week, your body is gonna break down. That's just the way it.

[Magic Johnson]

Yeah. Yep. And as you get older, the thing that. I like that, you know, Mike was like, hey, don't worry.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey.

[Magic Johnson]

I was Only on one a day practices. Ocho might say, hey, go get your lift in. I was able to get my A practice in the morning, lift in the afternoon. Kept me good and fresh. Hey. Made sure I got my workout Monday after the game. Got Tuesday was all about me, what I wanted to do. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, I was off. I ain't. I ain't do no once. Thursday was rolled around. Ain't no more lifting for the done. Yeah. Cause I go. I go Monday through Thursday.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Damn. Four days.

[Magic Johnson]

Four straight days on, Joe boy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey. One good thing, One thing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, the devil is the fact.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

One good thing I found out and this when I was playing in Brooklyn, playing with Kevin Garnett, man, we used to get these lifts in after the game, right after the game. It may be a one setup, but your one setup may be like 15, 20 reps. It may be like four or five exercises. That way, you know, you done went through that game. Now you lift that weight, them weights. So in the morning when you wake up, you don't have that lactic acid just sitting in you. You know what I mean? You have a little pop to you. Kevin Garnett told me that. He said he got it from Dennis Rodman. And ever since, bro, I had been doing it. Now, I left Brooklyn, and when I got to Miami, hell, everybody was in the weight room after the game. D. Wade ud. Everybody was in there. I said, man, listen, it was just a great environment to be in. But that's one thing I can give athletes, bro, Especially Hoopers. After game, you should get you a good lift in. It ain't gotta be heavy. Just something nice to keep the body toned and strong.

[Magic Johnson]

Yeah, I ain't gonna lie, Joe. After game, that Monday morning. Oh, yo, I'm so bad. My shoulders, my shoulders aching. So bad. Bad my. My elbows, my knees. Especially if you come out playing on that turf. So, Joe. Oh, I don't know if you had. If y' all. If you. When you got to the league, did everybody had Astroturf? Because by that time, they had started to transition to field turf. But I was playing when they had that reel, that cement with that with turf rolled over the top of it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Laid the carpet down.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I gotta understand, man, y' all playing a gladiator sport. The contact that y' all got, that's like a car wreck. You know what I'm saying? Every time you collide with somebody, like, that's gotta be rigorous. I know they. So after y' all play on Sunday, what y' all probably don't have to report to practice to win, Uncle Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, Monday, Monday you go and watch. You watch film on Monday, and then sometimes they give you victory. Victory Monday, where you don't gotta go on. So you play.

[Magic Johnson]

You don't have to. Yeah, you just go get your, you know, you do your own thing. That's. That's what. But I was. It didn't matter. I'm always. I remember we played Miami on a Monday night. Ocho. We got back at. We got back at like 5, like 5:30 in the morning. I like sh. I might as well go and get me a workout.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Got it. Got it out the way, huh?

[Magic Johnson]

I got it out the way. That was the only. That's really the only time that I didn't come back over there. That Tuesday. I got my workout in. I always. Tuesday was my workout day and clean the park out. So all Lysol, get all the dirt out my shoes and stuff, vacuum it out. I did that. Went home. That was it for the day. But I had to get that work. I had to get that work in, man. I just had to. I didn't feel right if I didn't lift. I gotta get. Try to get some of that soreness out. Cause like you said, that west coast offense, the tight ends, he does a lot of running and you know, sometimes you catch more passes than the other. But hey, you gonna get that blocking in. Cause TD back there. TD gonna get his touches. TD gonna get 25, 30K.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey, listen. So in basketball, it's about equivalent to about a little over three miles, right, a game. Especially if you, you want them heavy hitters and you playing top minutes in football. Cause y' all playing wide receiver, tight end. It's a bunch of sprints. How many sprints you think y' all running a game?

[Magic Johnson]

Ooh, Lord.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's a good question.

[Magic Johnson]

Probably. Let's see. Let's just say, ocho, you catch 10 passes, you call 10. It all depends on how many. How many players plays we have. We might have 25, we might have 30, we might have 35. Now, some you running a shallow cross, some you run a flat route, some you running a stick, some you running the scene. So for me, I would say probably 200 yard sprint.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's a lot, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but you actually think it sound like a lot. But you got to think if Each play is 3 seconds, 4, 5 seconds, 3 seconds full speed. Yeah, seconds full speed. Rest. So it's, it's a continuous. It's especially. Especially if you in shape and Shape. Well, man, you good.

[Magic Johnson]

And even if you in shape and shape, guess what? You. Hey, you running that two minute drill and let him throw you a couple of passes in a row. Hey, get in there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey.

[Magic Johnson]

Oh, check this out. Speaking of lifting, Joe, we got to talk about the video OO posted this morning.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, playing with. Oh, I forgot. I forgot about that this morning. Man.

[Magic Johnson]

Now I gotta touch your chest. It don't count.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What don't count?

[Magic Johnson]

If the bar does not touch your chest, it does not count.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, don't nobody touch my chest but my woman.

[Magic Johnson]

If that bar does not touch your chest, it does not count.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Says who?

[Magic Johnson]

Says the bench press. Google a look up the definition of a bench press.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, no, no. I don't care what the. I don't care what the definition of the bench press is. I'm.

[Magic Johnson]

You ain't finna change it. Oh, just because you don't do it to offense nobody. That's no real.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm benching how I see fitting why I look the way I do.

[Magic Johnson]

No, no rep. No rep. Hey, you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Saw how easy you saw. Hey, listen, they stay with me. You see how slow? How easy and slow. I'm gonna do 315 next week for you too.

[Magic Johnson]

I bet you don't listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, I can do 315. What you talking about?

[Magic Johnson]

No, you can't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Easy. I did that.

[Magic Johnson]

You ain't do but like three, four reps.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I only did five. That's all I wanted to do. I just wanted.

[Magic Johnson]

I just touch your chest. Had it touch your chest.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just want to see if I still had it. Hey, Matini's too big. I can't. I can't. I can't tell. My chest. I got. I just got him done.

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[Magic Johnson]

Khalil Zabar says Shannon Sharp nightcap. Tell him doesn't count as a full rep bar needs to get to the chest. This is how I know those dumbbells you were lifted the other day. Had to be fake. Struggling with 225. Agree. You gotta touch that bar to your chest or it don't count.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't have to.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't. I don't have to do nothing. I was supposed to follow the NFL rules. I ain't follow N1, so I ain't. I'm the guard not touching my chest. Y' all just mad y' all not stronger than me. How about that?

[Magic Johnson]

I don't know. They might not be. I don't know. You're not talking to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So we lift the same amount of weight. What are you talking now? Whatever you do, I can do.

[Magic Johnson]

I tell you what I tell you what I do. I tell you what I do. I bet you 59 that 5,900. Whatever you max, I'll rep it. Whatever you max, I'll rep it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Matter of fact, double or nothing.

[Magic Johnson]

Double, double.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Let's double.

[Magic Johnson]

Triple or nothing.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Magic Johnson]

Bet whatever you max, I'll rep it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, this was just you. This what you fail to realize. I just look like this.

[Magic Johnson]

I don't give a damn what you look like.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just as strong as you are.

[Magic Johnson]

Whatever you max, I will rep it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, all right, all right. Okay.

[Magic Johnson]

If you saw me with two chains, I'm talking about with no warm. I just went in there and did 22515 times. Well, that was what I just did.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I just did. I just walked in the gym and did 225 for 5 reps. And then cut your chance, huh?

[Magic Johnson]

All I'm saying is whatever you max. 315, 350, whatever you max, I'll rep it.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man, you don't want no smoke.

[Magic Johnson]

Yeah, I do. I want all that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You don't want no smoke.

[Magic Johnson]

As a matter of fact, I want your hundred dollars on top of that, too.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Magic Johnson]

I want to cover Joe. Hey, I promise you, when it comes to the weight room, this ain't what you want.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is.

[Magic Johnson]

This ain't what you want.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It is. I just look like this. You think because I'm small in stature I can't lift what you lift? I can that same thing you can do. I'm telling.

[Magic Johnson]

That's the chat after chat. Do they think you could with me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't care what the chat.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, I have a lift off. We gotta have a look.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Matter of fact, I can hold on. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something. I'm not cocky. I'm convinced. You hear me? I'm not cocky. I'm convinced.

[Magic Johnson]

I didn't worry about.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You can't beat me in the way, Joe. You can't beat me hooping.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

This is what I tell you.

[Magic Johnson]

Don't try to tell you what I do. I tell you what I do. That's how I'm feeling. Oh, Joe. This is what I do. I bet my salary to your salary.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, which job?

[Magic Johnson]

Any job you want. You take espn, you take Nightcap, you take Club Shay. Shay. Whatever job you want.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, I like that. I like that.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I hope my kids watching. We gonna have a good Christmas. Hey, Ben.

[Magic Johnson]

Hey, I'm. No, you're not.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Same bet.

[Magic Johnson]

Hey, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. Hey, Joe. When I'm done, well, I'm gonna have me a property. You hear me?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Ocho. Ocho, I'm begging you.

[Magic Johnson]

Ocho. Hey, you know what? Hey, move your head out of the way. Let me see that tv. Because I want to get that TV center double.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Let my.

[Magic Johnson]

I want. I want my guy to come in there when he goes to that tv. Hey, you can take that piano because don't nobody. I don't know how to play the piano. So you can take the piano with you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, no, no, no.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's. That's a good one, though. But hey, I'm too strong, though. I just look like. Hey, what you saying?

[DJ Wells]

I just look like this?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I just look like this?

[Magic Johnson]

Hey, I don't even. First of all, 84% said me 16. I don't know who the 16% is. I don't know who them. I don't know who they are.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what's wrong with society. We are visual creatures. So anything of size, they just assume it's stronger. That's just the way we are in society and in people and as humans. Not understanding a joke. If I'm not all yoked up and big, then I'm not strong. Then you have people that are foolish and saying, I'm doing 120 and the weights are fake. That's how you know. Well, he's so small, we don't expect him to be able to do that eight times. I'm very strong for my size. What people don't understand, Joe. That's why I know if me and uncle it was a tussle, I'mma fold him like a lawn chair.

[Magic Johnson]

He a believer. Bad.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He had to laugh that one off.

[Magic Johnson]

Bad. Don't you? I like the confidence. I definitely. I definitely would love to have you as a teammate because I know we gonna go out there. Even if we go get our ass beat, I'm sure gonna have us convinced that we can win this Game.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But every time.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Cause, boy, if you.

[Magic Johnson]

No, no, he ain't liking no.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

If you think for one second you got a chance to beat me in some basketball, boy, you lost your mind. You lost, right?

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, listen, I'm not. I'm. I'm not Michael Beasley.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Boy, I don't care who you is.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't Michael Beasley. Boy, this Ocho now. This me. This is what I do.

[Magic Johnson]

Check my. Check my residence.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You won't even score no more than two points. See, you might get lucky and throw up a Hail Mary. You might make a Hail Mary. You look like one of them type, throw up a Hail Mary. But outside of that, you ain't score no more than two points, man.

[Magic Johnson]

All right, man, that Joe Ocho. So he gonna lift more than me. Lord have mercy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I can tell by that look, by that little form you just did right there. I could tell. Oh, no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, and you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You see me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, listen, you see me. Hey, look, watch the wrist break. And I. I'm not gay, but I know how to break the wrist. Hear me? Hey, Joe. Hey, hold on. Let me turn to the side so you can see it, Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, that gooseneck. You got that gooseneck.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Magic Johnson]

How much is that? How much is on there?

[DJ Wells]

Oh, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm feeling good tonight, right? I feel. Hey, I don't.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't know.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, I don't know if you can see the chat earlier, Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't know if you can see.

[Shannon Sharpe]

The chat earlier, but, boy, I was. I was about to cry behind these goddamn glasses. Boy, but the chat were. Y' all some funny people, man. Hey, Joe, you could. Can you see the chat?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Man. Listen, man, I would try. I will hold it in so bad, man. Folks in that chest.

[Magic Johnson]

I can't see. I don't see. I can see chat. Hey, Ash was over here crying. I wonder what everybody. Jordan laughing. I'm like, man, I gotta keep it together. I'm like, what's funny, Man? Get her head. Tell about. She got us.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that goddamn chat was fun.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, they don't play, man.

[Magic Johnson]

I was like, man, but I caught on.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[Magic Johnson]

Ash pulling something for you, Ocho.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What's that?

[Magic Johnson]

Tracy McGrady had a take this week. He went on the Young man in the Three podcast and said, I don't think nobody had better handles than Jamal Tinsley. Even Kyrie, Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Jamal Tinsley was in my draft class. 01.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, Jamal Tinsley?

[Magic Johnson]

Yeah, Tinsley.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You mean Jamal Crawford?

[Magic Johnson]

No, Jamal Tinsley. He played with. He played.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I think he went To Iowa State, if I ain't mistaken. He got handled. He got handled, Ocho. He had some handles, but I don't. I. I ain't.

[Magic Johnson]

Ain't nobody got no handles.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It was tight, though. He got it. He had a tight handle, but it wasn't no Kyrie.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Time out. Time out. Time out. I don't, and I mean no disrespect to the. To the sport of basketball chat. I apologize. Jamal Hensley.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's a name we knew you probably weren't gonna know that one, Ocho. Don't worry about that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, but, but. But if McGrady say he's better than.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He just said hammer.

[Magic Johnson]

He said handles.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, okay.

[Magic Johnson]

Okay.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So he had the same type of. Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He had a nice bag with him. Like, he.

[Magic Johnson]

He.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I don't know. I don't know if he was ever dictionary like Kyrie, but he had a nice handle. He had a nice handle. He was. He was a big too. Like, he would post up from time to time. But to say his handle was better than Kyrie's, that's a stretch, bro.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay.

[Magic Johnson]

Yeah, big stretch.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, Kyrie. And for me, I relate everything in soccer terms. To me, Kyrie's creativity is similar to that of Neymar and Ronaldinho. You know, he's a magician with the ball. They are magicians with the ball. And not. Not in the gym playing around. I'm talking about in game where you can't make a mistake. When you try to pull certain moves off, you have to execute it. And every time they do do it, man, they do it with just. I mean, hey, look.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Because it's really read and react. Some of the stuff that them dudes do, or even us as athletes that we do in a game, a lot of times, you reading and reacting. So it may be. You may pull something off that you've never practiced before. You know what I'm saying? I'm just keeping it real. You may pull something out you've never practiced before, but it's just read and react. So, you know, it just kind of come to you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Magic Johnson]

Like I said, hey, he played against him. But it's hard for me to believe. And I've seen a lot of guys handle the ball. Isaiah Thomas could pat the rock. Isaiah Thomas was the first guy I'm talking about. Isaiah would come up the court. You literally doing this right here. Da, da, da, da. Watch him. In the All Star game, White Chocolate had handles. I've never seen anybody have handles like Kyrito.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Jason Williams. Was very entertaining with that ball in his hands.

[Magic Johnson]

Boy, for sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Very entertained with that ball in his hand.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, you can't be worried about having no turnovers or making no mistake playing like that, though. Yeah, them dudes come out, they play free. They have fun. Hey, they let loose, you know, a lot of guys ain't willing to take them chances. Some of them chances those dudes. Some of them chances those dudes take during the game, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You got to be.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hell, no.

[Magic Johnson]

You'll get your ass snatched up out the game.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Absolutely. There you go.

[Shannon Sharpe]

They'll pull you. A coach will pull you out.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hell, yeah, man. If you ain't.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Wait, I'm talking about in the NBA.

[Magic Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

If you ain't Ocho, if you out there and you ain't, you ain't him and you out there trying stuff and you turn the ball up, man, you're gonna come sit next to me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, well, you are. You gotta understand, at the NBA level, dudes, if you really not like that, there would be no. There would be no level of comfort to pull that shit off. Anyway, in a real game, man, some.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Dudes out there who got some handles, they just scared to pull it out. They scared to try some of this stuff in the real game. Like, you see some of these bigs. You watch some of these dudes play in the summertime, you wouldn't. You hold on, man. Why you ain't doing that during the regular season or doing the season, you know what I mean?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, they pull it off and get a couple turnover, boy, you gonna be sitting down.

[Magic Johnson]

Oh, yeah, for sure. You know, you. They're not finna let you just arbitrarily. Just in a game, Ocho, where it matters, okay? You want to be in practice and you try some stuff like that, but you get in the game where wins and losses matter.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Magic Johnson]

Hey, it's just like, you might try some stuff in the warmup line. Pat and go, huh? Oh, Joe.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah.

[Magic Johnson]

Look what's on the ball, Joe, right here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What? That is four place. Was that. Was that four or five? Why you struggling? Why you struggling?

[Magic Johnson]

Hey, I tell you what. I bet you can't tell. I tell you what, you can't even hold it. That's three reps with four. Five. You ain't never done four or five.

[Shannon Sharpe]

We ain't never done math.

[Magic Johnson]

Wasn't he talking about say you squatted? As a matter of fact, I probably can bench what you squat. Why you bumping them?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't do that.

[Magic Johnson]

Why I squat? Why you pumping them?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. You might, you might want to pump your brakes a little bit and talk to some of my teammates and ask.

[Magic Johnson]

That's 405 right there, JoJo.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Don't catch no.

[Magic Johnson]

With no spotter and a suicide.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, so don't catch no Hernande out here trying to lift no 4, 5, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Joe. Joe. I was doing 405 when I was in the league, Joe. I was squatting 650 when I was in the league, Joe.

[Magic Johnson]

I worked out lineman. Joe, you. You can't squat 650 with a two ply suit.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

See that?

[Magic Johnson]

Why I know you. Don't know if you know you. Have you ever been in a two plus suit?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Joe.

[Magic Johnson]

Joe, have you ever been in a two ply suit?

[Shannon Sharpe]

No, I only. I want to wear three piece.

[Magic Johnson]

Exactly. Joe, he don't know nothing about no.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Every time, every time I say I do something right, he never believed me. Until I have people that come on.

[Magic Johnson]

That play with me, ain't nobody going to come on. I can call Chip.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I can call Paul Chip, call Ray Chipmore, Chip more and he'll tell you. The lineman. I worked out with the linemen all.

[Magic Johnson]

I know, pound for pound, when I was in the league, I was the second strongest player. I was 225 pounds with a max of 470.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hold on. You was the second strongest player on your team, maybe.

[Magic Johnson]

No. In the league. Body weight, pound for pound, man.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

They are. You did that with no. With no spot, man.

[Magic Johnson]

No, I. No.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Bye.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Bye.

[Magic Johnson]

Yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, he probably.

[Magic Johnson]

Listen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, it was probably elevated. They probably had some help.

[Magic Johnson]

Ain't no elevator. Hey, you see. Pull it back. You can see what's back there. You can see what's back there.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, you see these arms?

[Magic Johnson]

I take it down slow and control Ocho by myself. Hey, look, touching my chest. Battle the bench.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, that's. That's a magic trick. I gotta see that for myself. That's it. That's my. Hey, hey, Joe, that's AI. Joe, that's AI. That ain't real. Hey, chat. That's AI. Don't, don't.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, gonna lie to you, that's one thing. The chat.

[Magic Johnson]

No, the chat. No.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Look, I ain't gonna lie to you. There ain't nothing but some squat away for me. Why I ain't gonna sit here and lie to you. I ain't gonna try to get under there and live. No 405, boy, please.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, hey, Joe, it ain't that hard Joe, he just looked like that.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, y' all got, you know, football players got different bills from basketball players.

[Magic Johnson]

For sure I do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Joe. Look at me, Joe.

[Magic Johnson]

There you go. Here you go.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Here you go.

[Magic Johnson]

Here you go. I tell you what, Ocho, give me six weeks.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What you gonna do in six?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You. You said give me six weeks. What you talking about?

[Magic Johnson]

You want. You want to do, Ocho? You really want to do this?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know I work out every day.

[Magic Johnson]

No, I'm saying whatever you want to do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I work out every day. I ain't played football in 12 years. I work out every day like I'm finna get.

[Magic Johnson]

How long you think it's been since I played football? Damn. You think I retired yesterday?

[Shannon Sharpe]

I'm just telling you, I work out every day like I'm finna get a phone call. You just never know.

[Magic Johnson]

Just in case I've been retired 22 years.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Okay, okay.

[Magic Johnson]

With double hips.

[Shannon Sharpe]

What you want to do? I mean, what you want to do?

[Magic Johnson]

I bet you I wouldn't even put my feet on the floor, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, Six weeks, what you want to do? I can hold my feet up, too.

[Magic Johnson]

What you saying, Ocho? Ocho, I beat you with my feet up like this here.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I could do the same thing. Hey, listen, uncus. It's all about Cora at that point.

[Magic Johnson]

Hey, you see how I wiggle my feet? That's how I feed my feet on the bench with you.

[Shannon Sharpe]

All right, I wanna. I wanna know what's up with this six week challenge. What you trying to do? Cause I love. I love a good competition.

[Magic Johnson]

I ain't wasting my time with you, man.

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's what I thought. Cause you know what's up?

[Magic Johnson]

You don't want no smoke with me?

[Shannon Sharpe]

You know better.

[Magic Johnson]

You know, Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Let him get your blood pressure up. Ocho.

[Magic Johnson]

Tip.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, no, I'm calling Joe. But when it come to competing, can't nobody see me in nothing. I don't care who it is or what it is. And Joe, this is what I do. Joe.

[Magic Johnson]

Bad. Oh, yo, I only. I don't even really live like that no more, Ocho. But for you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Man lost his mind over there.

[Magic Johnson]

Yeah, who you? I mean, Ocho, you can't even do 315.

[Shannon Sharpe]

How you gonna tell me what I could do? I do it tomorrow before my flight. I do it before my flight tomorrow to show you. Hey, lifting weight ain't nothing to me, huh?

[Magic Johnson]

Hold on, I'm trying to think. Hold on. Where we go?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Listen, let me finish. I've been pushing weight since the 80s. I've been living with.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

All right, all right, bye.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, hey, Joe. Joe. I done done it all, Joe. Well, I was a mule for the cartel, Joe. What you talking about?

[Magic Johnson]

This is what I do.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, look at this. Look at it. Let me put it in the camera.

[Magic Johnson]

For you so you can see, Joe, you see that?

[Shannon Sharpe]

That's 30 inches, boy. That's 30.

[Magic Johnson]

That's half of that.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Hey, Joe, I. I took a nap today, Joe.

[Magic Johnson]

Yeah, I tell.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I took a nap today.

[Magic Johnson]

Frosty had something to drink. Just say you could outbid me.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I ain't drinking.

[Magic Johnson]

But his avion, in spite with something, Melo responded to Michael Beasley's challenge to play one on one. I'm not losing one on one game, bro. I've never lost a one on one game. I'm not saying I'm going out there playing what I'm saying I got rid of Q for doing this ish at the highest level, for being a one on one end. Joe, our DMs are flooded with people telling me to ask you if you beat Melo one on one.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I mean, I think I beat anybody. Okay, Ocho, I think I'll beat anybody. Here's why I tell y' all, I think the one on one game is very different versus, you know, playing in a five on five setting. You have isolation.

[Magic Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You know, one on one at the top. At the top.

[Magic Johnson]

That's how you got the name ISO, Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, man, I've been doing this for a long time now. I've been doing it all the time.

[Magic Johnson]

That's how you got. Do they not, do they not understand what ISO joke.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But you know, you know, as athletes, man, everybody feel like, you know, they can't be beat. But I tell you what, I tell y' all what's going to happen. I think all these matchups, I do think they gonna happen. I think they, they may happen under, you know, different conditions. Meaning, you know, we gonna have to get it together, you know, get the sponsors right. You know, but they definitely probably more than likely gonna happen for sure, because I know the fans want to see it. Look, anywhere I go, since we brought this topic up or since Lance and Beasley has played, this is all the talk has been about. So I know know the people, I know the chat want to see it. I know everybody want to see it. So I'm sure it's going to happen.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, I think that's dope, too. A different dynamic, you know, for those that are playing in a structured environment 5v5 anymore and have Competition, a one on one competition. And it's something that can continue to. This can be big.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's what I'm saying, Ocho. That's all I'm saying.

[Shannon Sharpe]

It can become very, very big. And somebody sitting on the meal ticket, somebody sitting on the golden oos, a golden, golden egg, whatever you want to call it, for NBA players. And this can also falter into other sports too.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

What you're talking about one on one setting?

[Shannon Sharpe]

Yeah, one on one setting. Listen, it could be football, it could be basketball. I'm not sure if there's anything else outside of that that would be interesting to us culturally that people want to see, but football and then basketball would be really, really good.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I know everybody wants to see these basketball matchups, man, and they gonna. It'll be fun. It'll be interesting as well. This is something I'm very intrigued about. So it's gonna happen. We gonna do it for the culture. We're gonna do it for the fans. For sure.

[Shannon Sharpe]

You gotta make something first. Now, we ain't just. Hey, we ain't just getting out there.

[Magic Johnson]

Hello, hello.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

There you go.

[Magic Johnson]

No, hell no. You gotta make. You gotta make. If you make dollars, it makes dollars. Here we go.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Here we go. Hey.

[Magic Johnson]

Talahero says he doesn't believe in history before 1950. I don't believe anything that happened before 1950. For real? Like, how do we know? When did Christopher Columbus come to America? The land, whatever. They said 1492. How do we know? I think these young kids just be saying stuff to say stuff.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, we're in different era, Uncle Ojo. Everybody want to have a viral. Everybody has a platform. Everybody speak their mind. So it's a lot different now.

[Magic Johnson]

And think about it, Ocho, guys, they taking history out of the schools.

[Shannon Sharpe]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Whose idea was that? That was Trump. Huh? Changing the curriculum and stuff, huh? Man, this is trying to erase history so we don't know things that happened before we were here. And that's crazy. I understand.

[Magic Johnson]

I mean, I mean, did he got grandparents? So if they tell him something, I'm sure his grandparents was born before 1950.

[Shannon Sharpe]

He. He from Tyler Hero, not from the crib. Isn't he from Miami?

[Magic Johnson]

Nah, nah. I don't know where he from. But I mean, so anything that his grandparents tell him, he don't believe his grandparents were born before 1950. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shannon Sharpe]

I don't know. Hey, hey.

[Jeff Teague]

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[Magic Johnson]

Let's talk about this trade. The Memphis Grizzly sent Desmond Bain to the Orlando Magic for KCP. Kentavious Caldwell, Pope Cole Anthony. 4. 1, 2, 3, 4 unprotected first round picks and a pick swap. Hold on, I don't think y' all heard me, P. Bell. Cause I ain't get the reaction that I thought I was gonna get from you. 1, 2, 3, 4 unprotected first round picks and a pick swap. Yeah, I mean, when you do something like, are you blowing it up? Are you gonna get rid of ja? Are you gonna get rid of Triple J? I mean, what's going on? What's going on, Joe?

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Man, that's what it looked like. I'm like, man, they gave up a lot, you know, to.

[Magic Johnson]

For Desmond Bane.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, they gave up a lot for Desmond Bane, man. But I mean, I don't know what Memphis got going on over there. I don't know what they plan on doing. Maybe they will get rid of JA and jj. But I'm like, why? If you do that, then what you banking on? What you. I mean, what's going to be your draw? You know what I mean? If you get rid of them.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah. I look at it like this, right? I look at it like this, right? If I'm gm, I'm looking at it like if I wanted to start a team, right. Obviously I'm a pick the guy that I want to start the team with. I'm going to pick a five man. But if there's anybody else that you need as like a shooter, a glued guy, a guy that can just get you points from nowhere. I honestly think he's an upgrade from.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Caldwell Poker if we've been honest, you know. Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

If we've been honest, he's done it in the regular season, he's done it on our.

[Magic Johnson]

Oh, you say he's an upgrade over kcp? Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right, right.

[DJ Wells]

And I think Memphis also needed a guard who can bring up the ball, you know, who can go get his own bucket. I like that. They also needed some locker room presses. I like that. From kcp. Right. I don't like the picks. Right. But it's been so up and down in the NBA. Luka dodges, gets one first round. A guy gets three first rounds. So you just don't know the scale of how they negotiate with the picks.

[Magic Johnson]

And you see Rudy Gobert go for four first round picks, but Harris just don't know. Go ahead, Pat. Go ahead.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, it's just hard for us to know, like, what's actually been saying in those conversations. So, like, we can look at it like, man, what the hell? What's wrong with y' all? How y' all giving up that much, right to the naked eye. But I don't know, it might have been the deals in place before. We don't know if it's, you know, it's so much with this business that you really.

[Magic Johnson]

But I thought Scottie Pippen Jr. Played well for Memphis last year when Ja, when Ja was down. I thought he played well. P Bear.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, I think, I think, I think you keep him and you get cold.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, you right.

[DJ Wells]

I don't think you can. As many ball handlers and playmakers you can have. You know, I think that's, that's a good, that's a good look. I think Luke Canard. Luke Canard is up for contract. I think he's free agent, right? So, I mean, that's, that's an open position. That's, you know, just telling you they might not want to bring Luke Canard back. So, you know, I, I think I like it with the presence with kcp, a winner who's done it before, someone that can be in job. I like Jared Jackson, JJ and Josh still together, you know, so we just, I like eating. You know what I'm saying? We just have to see how it goes.

[Magic Johnson]

Look, I mean, I'm looking at this, I'm like, what message? I don't think they got better. I don't, I don't think they got better with this trade. I don't think Memphis, they're still night seed. They, they for the play in with the, the move they made today. They're still in the play in. Yeah, I don't look at Memphis, okay? With this move right here. Now they're top five. They're top five, top four seeds. I don't look at it like that. You think they're top four, top five seed right now, people.

[DJ Wells]

Now you gotta think this is the same team that fired Taylor Jenkins. So you gotta come in thinking that sometimes maybe they don't think the right way at all. You know what I'm saying? So you gotta understand like, oh, man, this is the same organization that Fired a phenomenal coach. You feel me? They've been in the headlines with John Moran and this, this, they've been in the headlines more than the Hollywood team.

[Magic Johnson]

You know, the Memphis. You was there. Unfortunately, I was there, people.

[Shannon Sharpe]

But yeah, I mean, yeah, as a.

[Magic Johnson]

Matter of fact, you was on the team. Yeah, you were there too.

[DJ Wells]

I said, I checked her and said, uncle.

[Magic Johnson]

Good.

[DJ Wells]

You.

[Magic Johnson]

I'm cool.

[DJ Wells]

I'm like, yeah.

[Magic Johnson]

Hey. You said hey. I said, hey, let that go, man. Let it go, man. They on some bull jive. Them young boys, they like that. Let it go, let it go.

[DJ Wells]

So, like, they've been in the news more than the Hollywood team. So, like, you know, you always have to question any move they make.

[Magic Johnson]

Hey, look, you see them trading Ja.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And Triple J, man, I can't see that. I know the rumor's been spreading around, but, man, John is star power. He's box office. I think a lot. I think they lean. I think they putting more pressure on him to be elite, to be one of the top guys in this league. And jj, like, you got two great pieces who work together. I don't know why you would trade that and what you would get back for it. You know what I mean? That would be comfortable to what, you know, they give. So I, I don't see, I don't see them trading him. I think they looking for Josh to take that next step and you know, be, be, be elite in this league. Be one of the top elite guards, man. That's how they gonna be able to contend.

[Magic Johnson]

I think Josh phenomenal. He just can't stay. He gotta stay healthy, though, Joe.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

I think that's why they got them other guards. That's why you bring in Cole Anthony. You keep Scottie pimping because of his injury history, but if you can keep.

[Magic Johnson]

I think, oh, he's phenomenal. Yeah, yeah, he's phenomenal. And besides, I mean, you get rid of him. Who? Look, there are very few big fans that team that, that people ever have ever come to see. So you, you, they come to see small, they come to see guards. They come to see LeBron's and Kevin Durant. They come to see Steph Curry and James Harden and guys like that. I mean, look, Triple J is phenomenal, but people ain't gonna be lining up to see Triple J and Zach Eady. I'm sorry.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, Pete, man. Yeah, no, you know, this is a star driven league, bro. You know what I mean? He got commercials, this, that, and the third. Like he got a shoe. Yeah, he got his own now, he the culture.

[DJ Wells]

He the culture.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Just looking for him to take that next step, man. You know, be a little bit more disciplined in the things that he doing off the court. You know, hold himself accountable and, you know, come in and help get that franchise, you know, back to their winning ways. Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Cause he the chief of the white.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Oh, man.

[DJ Wells]

Oh, yeah. All the white. I wonder why ants love him. They love him to death.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Him and NBA youngboy, they love.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

They love him, too. They can't do no wrong. They can't do no wrong.

[DJ Wells]

He got the culture.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He just got. Hey, hey, hey, hey. See, what they feel like is bad for the public eye. Like Pete Bell said, these yns, they loving it. You know what I'm saying?

[Magic Johnson]

They loving it. They love it.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

They love to see Mac like that.

[Magic Johnson]

But here's the thing, bro. Do you understand how much money you cost yourself? That's what I mean, you make a big money. Hey, you get suspended for 20 games. Hey, Pete Bell, man, come on now. 20 games, that's probably three. That's two, $3 million. Four million. Yeah, yeah.

[DJ Wells]

I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you who.

[Magic Johnson]

Mad Jen Jackson Jr. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He calls himself a hundred mil. He made one of them all.

[DJ Wells]

They say. They talking about. They talking about. They talking about your homie cost them all that money. LeBron James.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

They say, LeBron. If LeBron don't get that position, they say, that's for sure. JJJ spot and he get that 350.

[Magic Johnson]

But, but, but, but here's the thing. Does anybody think Triple J outplay LeBron this year?

[DJ Wells]

No, not even close. Not even.

[Magic Johnson]

But see, that's the thing in my.

[DJ Wells]

Mind, I'm thinking like, damn, they gonna gave it to LeBron for 20 years. At least give me, you know, so I feel it both ways.

[Magic Johnson]

And the thing is that you can't win. They said, okay, we want this, okay? Now you got writers that's gonna decide how much money you actually make.

[DJ Wells]

Because ain't that wild?

[Magic Johnson]

First team, second team, third team, first to second team, all NBA mvp.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

You right. Hey, look, it's a cold game now. It's a cold game for me, man.

[Magic Johnson]

It used to be the players voted, but they say, man, y' all got favoritism. You got your players X, Y and Z. So they say, you know what? Let's turn it over to the writers. They turn it over to the writers, bro, you ain't going. Somebody going to be disappointed because the season that will average 50 and 25 he didn't win the MVP. So up until 1980, players voted for the MVP. Yeah, they said, nah, man. Man, y' all be buddy, buddy. Y' all be hanging out the All Star Game. Y' all cool. So you vote for your buddy, okay? They said, I tell you what, we gonna take it out now. The riders got it. Not what you want to do. Somebody got to vote. Somebody got to win mvp. P. Bam. Somebody got to be first, second team, all NBA. Somebody got to be first to second team, all defensive. So. And got to win these award. So what's the way that you guys. You guys played in the league. How would you like to see that handled?

[DJ Wells]

I like how it's been handled. And I think that once you kind of understand and the older you get that basketball is a huge business. And part of basketball being a business is it's partly entertaining also, right? It's entertainment. It's fans being entertained by guys shooting threes guys and, you know, doing call crazy dunks. So once I kind of found that out and I used to steal stuff, I'm like, hey, okay, cool. I see Tony Allen throwing up first scene. Okay, cool. Anytime I get a big stop, I'm gonna throw up. First scene, right? That'll trigger people to be like, oh, you look at that. Gets to going. Media has to go with it, right? So I get to playing a game. Now, I don't. I'm not. I haven't been at the luxury to, you know, see 350 million people. I haven't been in that luxury. But I know the small things I did. So ain't no telling what guys out here doing. Guys probably sending wine bottles, all type of stuff.

[Magic Johnson]

But before you go, Joe, is that if Memphis. If John take care of what now they're on television more, and now people see him more. Yeah. See, LeBron's on the Lakers. They got 42, 43 televised games. So you gonna see LeBron, you gonna see Luka, you gonna see Jayson Tatum, you're gonna see a lot of these guys. But in Memphis, it's contingent. So when Ja's there and they're playing, well, Memphis, we used to see Memphis, and we see Ja be a second team. We see J, Triple J be on all NBA selections. But when you're out of sight. Look, I only got so bad. Look, I'm following the team. A lot of these people are beat writers. Everybody's not. And they. All these games, everybody ain't watching everybody play. It's not like the NBA. I mean, excuse me, NFL. All the games come on Sunday, you got some playing Wednesday, they got some team playing Tuesday, got some team Thursday, they got Friday. So I can't. Hey, I can't keep up with everything, people.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, listen, I think with Jan Jackson Jr. Pete Bev for me is like, he hang his hat so much on offense nowadays and I think he need to go back to being that mean defensive presence. I don't know if he can lead the league in blocks anymore with Wimby being in the NBA.

[Magic Johnson]

But no, he ain't gonna win. Ain't nobody would. Ain't nobody, Ain't nobody for the week win the block title. We Wimby there.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, listen, but he gotta, he gotta hang his hat on defense. You know, his offensive game will come, you know, if he, if he let his def. Defense fuel his offense versus just standing out there at the three point line, you know, shooting a lot of threes. I know he got a nice little bag, you know, with him offensively, but they need his defensive presence for them to be effective in that, in that wild, wild west.

[DJ Wells]

Hey, he, he, he, he said that. So, so we played him, we played him in the playoffs when I was in Minnesota and, and, and he was in the next year. He wanted to kind of work on his offense and his switch was okay. If I focus all on my defense, I'm gonna end up in, in foul trouble a lot. He led the league. He led the league in fouls also. So his thing was like, I'm gonna balance it out. I'm gonna go a little bit more offense just to, you know, I ain't gonna put all my energy on defense. I'm gonna put a little bit more of my energy on offense to kind of balance it out. Because when he was all defense, he was fighting that man found out everything.

[Magic Johnson]

But the problem, the problem that you're gonna have is that they've made the all NBA team positionless. So now you might have 5, 6, 7, 8, 10, 4 fours or threes or guards. So it's not like we gotta have a five, a four, a three, a two and a one. So. Cause you look at the second team, I mean, you look at all. I mean like, damn. And so now you really ain't half. But Jokic was the only center and there was no Joel Embiid. Cause you know when Joel Embiid come back healthy, he getting one of them spots.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

But he ain't never gonna play enough games to get no spot. Huh? That's a rap.

[Magic Johnson]

You might be right. So you gotta play 65 it put the onus on a lot of people.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah, yeah. So that's why I'm saying for me, it's like, I feel like it's kind of, you know, it's kind of easy for him to crack in there because there's a lot of these top guys, they not gonna play enough games to even be qualified for any of these awards. You know what I mean? So if he can keep himself healthy, I say a solid 22, 23 a game. About 12 rebounds, you know, a couple blocks, man, that'll put you right there Thursday.

[Magic Johnson]

Hey, you know, hey, hey, be a 1911 guy with three blocks, with two and a half blocks. That's the best you could do. Because if you put 20 points, 22 points a game, that takes too much away from his defense.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He just gave away bangs. How much bangs average. He averaged 20 something, right?

[Magic Johnson]

Yeah, Bangs average about 19, 20, KCP.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

And them other guys come hold Anthony, they not going to be putting up points like that now. They going to have some games where they going to be lights out. But for the most part, I'm saying to be consistent, he has to be consistent on a night to night basis. That's basically what they're going to be looking at.

[Magic Johnson]

Hey, you got work. Hey, you got to get tighten them handles up, P. B. You got to be able to put that thing on the plug, get to that spot.

[DJ Wells]

Man, he better get his ass to the block. Left block right, 100 right hooks.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Because hey, look how many bigs we got in the league, Unc. Who can chat? Who?

[Magic Johnson]

There ain't really none.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It ain't put about 4, 5 up.

[Magic Johnson]

When you talk about true, I'm talking about like a Jokic and an Embiid. I mean, theoretically, they list giannis as a big and LeBron and JT and all that. But Evan Mobley, Jared Allen, but when you really look out to my, like big bigs that play big. I mean, triple J right there.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's what I'm saying.

[Magic Johnson]

AD yeah. Now AD Healthy. Hey, with AD Healthy. So you got Jokic, you got embiId, you got AD you got Giannis. So that's four. That's four fours, right? The fours and fives.

[DJ Wells]

You could take Giannis. Giannis done made first in the last eight.

[Magic Johnson]

Yeah, you could go ahead and take him off that. He gonna be on there.

[DJ Wells]

He definitely gonna be on there.

[Magic Johnson]

He gonna be on there and Jokic, it's gonna be hard for somebody to unseat him. Cause he gonna have. Damn that after the triple W, his Team gotta win.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, his team gotta win.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

That's it.

[DJ Wells]

They have to win. That's it. They gotta win.

[Magic Johnson]

Did the B. Did the Bain trade expose how badly the Mavericks botched the Luca deal? The Mavericks. The Lakers gave up one first round pick. Felucca. The Mavericks gave up four first round picks and a pick swap.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

P. Bell.

[Magic Johnson]

They.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

They got AD in return. AD Ain't no slouch, huh? Okay, he ain't no slouch. He can play like he a all star caliber guy if he can play healthy.

[Magic Johnson]

Like, but if you. I mean, they treated Desmond Bain like he's an all star with four first round picks. Unprotected normally. Pbf, you like, okay, they got some protection. Okay, Top five protected. They like, nah, nah, ain't nothing protected. We all out. Everything out, right? And a pig swap, that kind of reminds. That kind of reminds you of the Clipper deal during the pit bill, when they gave with to get shaped.

[DJ Wells]

Yeah, I was there for that one. Yeah, I was there. I thought. And looking back on it, I thought for a minute, like, yeah, we won this trade easy.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Yeah. So you hold on.

[Magic Johnson]

Were you there? Were you. Were you there? Were you there with Shay?

[DJ Wells]

He was my rookie.

[Magic Johnson]

Well, y' all keep forgetting that.

[DJ Wells]

Why you think he a dog, huh?

[Magic Johnson]

So did you. Did you see? Okay, obviously he was a lottery pick, but did you think he could turn into this?

[DJ Wells]

I told him the third day of training camp. I tapped Luke. Me and Lou sitting down. I tapped Luke. Hey, hey, Louis. Hey, he cold. Lou say, yeah, he, he.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

He.

[DJ Wells]

He different. I'm like, no, no, no, no.

[Magic Johnson]

Lou, he.

[DJ Wells]

I get up from Lou, you don't hear what I'm saying? I go right to say, hey, say, how good do you think he could be? You know, he from the six. So he talk like, he talk different. He's like, I mean, I think I can be like, rich, like.

[Magic Johnson]

No, that heavy ass boy. I'm not.

[DJ Wells]

You a superstar? You mean like all Star? I'm like, no, no, no, no. Mike Jordan, coach Brian Hugh. Like, he seriously. So fast forward. I see his mom out shopping and while we playing Toronto, and she's like, man, thank you for telling my son that. You gave him that confidence. After you said that, he really believed it. People always forget. Shay was my rookie.

[Magic Johnson]

Shay was my rookie. Yeah.

[DJ Wells]

Next year he went with Chris Paul and Dennis Schroeder, respectively. Everybody got to get their groom from somewhere else, but nah, same getting that ball in the playoffs and we was playing Steph Curry. Hey, man, get Seth 30. What are you doing? Why don't you pass me the ball? Go get Steph. 30 the kill off.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Hey, hey, look. But when you look at it, Unc and Pete Bev, certain things happening throughout guys career, they kind of help take him to that next level, you know what I mean? Him getting traded from the Clippers, you never know how he was thinking. He may be thinking, like, man, they didn't think I was good enough.

[Magic Johnson]

Yeah, of course, of course.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So now have somebody get rid of you.

[Magic Johnson]

That's what they're telling you.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So.

[Shannon Sharpe]

So.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

So now he in the lab, working hard as ever, you know, probably showing prove like, all right, I'm gonna show him. I don't know if he. If he expected himself to reach this.

[Magic Johnson]

Level, but, man, quickly.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

It's been. It's been special to watch. It's been special.

[DJ Wells]

Nah. Well, like, I see him the next year in layup line or something. He was like, man, that trade. I was like, yeah, man, what you think of? He like, man, what you mean? You don't trade me for him. You know, like, talking about Paul George, I'm like, yeah, like. And to be a second, third year guy, like, saying that shows you how much confidence they had. But I think it happened. I think it happened later. I think it happened when they got rid of Dennis Schroeder and CP and they put the ball all in, right? Cause that's when you kind of seen, like, that 19 point, 20 point, got up 30. Like when they once. Once they, like, clean house and, like, made him the primary ball handler everything, build it around him, everything. Yeah, everything changed since then. So I think that was a. That was a. That was. You got again, Sam Pressy. That's a. That's a. That's another one.

[Magic Johnson]

And I think we both get why the Clippers had to do this. You getting Kawhi. Kawhi is basically saying, well, if y' all don't do this, I'm gonna go with the Lakers. Do y' all really want me? LeBron and AD and then y' all. Y' all got a couple Pat Bear. That wouldn't have worked out well for y' all, man.

[DJ Wells]

I know, but we only. In our mind, you gotta think. We just took. The year before. We just took Golden State six games with Kevin Frank. So in our mind. Our mind, we thinking, like, man, we just need one more person. We cool, right? So they were shopping. KD might come. You know, there was thoughts that Kawhi might come. We didn't think Kawhi and Paul George, you know, so for us, we looking like, oh man, we got a real chance to win a championship. And that's when you know, you know things. You know the bubble happened and the three one happened and injuries happened and the next thing you know, you know Shay. Shay's the MVP and he's in a championship game. Up up, three two.

[Ocho Cinco (Chad Johnson)]

Right now, the volume.

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