Nightcap - NFL Recap Part 2: George Pickens traded to Cowboys; Pickens fit with Dallas

Summary

Club Shay Shay: NFL Recap Part 2 – George Pickens Traded to Cowboys

Release Date: May 12, 2025

In this episode of Club Shay Shay, hosts Ocho Cinco and Angeli Sud delve into the recent high-profile NFL trade: George Pickens' move to the Dallas Cowboys. The discussion centers around the implications of this trade for both the Cowboys and the Pittsburgh Steelers, analyzing how Pickens will fit into Dallas's offensive strategy and what this means for his future career.

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Trade Details and Immediate Reactions

The episode begins with Ocho Cinco expressing skepticism about the Steelers' management choices, particularly concerning their wide receivers. “George Pickens is too talented to be bouncing around,” Ocho remarks at [00:35]. This sentiment sets the tone for a critical examination of the trade.

Angeli Sud responds by highlighting her confidence in Pickens’ potential with the Cowboys. She mentions that after a conversation with Pickens, there have been no further issues, indicating a positive outlook for his integration into Dallas’s system ([03:42]).

Assessing George Pickens’ Fit with the Cowboys

Ocho Cinco and Angeli Sud discuss Pickens' skill set, emphasizing his physicality, catching ability, and versatility on the field. Ocho notes at [04:23], “He can run, he can catch, he's strong,” underscoring why Pickens is seen as a valuable addition to the Cowboys.

Angeli elaborates on how Pickens will complement existing players like CeeDee Lamb and Jake Ferguson, suggesting that his presence will bolster Dallas’s offensive options. She confidently states at [07:25], “They’re gonna do wonders. It just boosts that offense.”

Impact on the Steelers and Division Dynamics

The conversation shifts to the Steelers' situation post-trade. Both hosts express concern over the Steelers' ability to replace Pickens, especially given their ongoing quarterback issues. Ocho points out at [16:59], “They ain't even figured out the quarterback situation yet,” projecting a challenging season ahead for Pittsburgh.

In contrast, the Cowboys are anticipated to enhance their standing in the NFC East. Angeli predicts at [17:06], “Don't be shocked if the Cowboys win NFC East,” attributing this confidence to their strengthened offense.

Division Highlights and Competitive Landscape

Ocho Cinco provides an overview of the NFC East, highlighting key players from rival teams and emphasizing the Cowboys' competitive edge with their upgraded receiving corps. He asserts at [27:20], “Is that the best division? Absolutely,” praising the quality of receivers within the division.

Future Prospects and Contract Considerations

The hosts touch upon the importance of this season for Pickens, particularly regarding his contract year. Angeli encourages Pickens to capitalize on this opportunity, stating at [26:22], “This is his year. Go out there and handle your business.”

Ocho adds his personal support as a long-time Cowboys fan, expressing optimism for the team's prospects and Pickens' role in their success ([20:27]).

Critical Analysis of Steelers’ Receiver Management

Ocho Cinco critiques the Steelers’ handling of their wide receivers, citing past trades and the lack of stability in their receiving lineup. He questions the team's strategy, mentioning several receivers who have struggled post-trade, such as Antonio Brown and Mike Wallace ([23:01]).

Angeli concurs, emphasizing the need for the Steelers to find reliable replacements and questioning their long-term planning. She remarks at [26:07], “Always the Steelers,” hinting at a recurring pattern of mismanagement.

Closing Thoughts

The episode concludes with both hosts reiterating their support for the Cowboys and optimism about George Pickens' impact on the team. They emphasize the importance of utilizing Pickens' talents effectively to ensure a successful season for Dallas ([30:03]).

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Key Takeaways:

• George Pickens’ Trade: Viewed as a strategic move to enhance the Cowboys' offensive lineup.
• Cowboys’ Offense: Likely to see significant improvement with the addition of Pickens alongside existing stars.
• Steelers’ Challenges: Concerns over their ability to replace Pickens and ongoing quarterback issues.
• NFC East Dynamics: The Cowboys are positioned to strengthen their competitive standing in one of the league's top divisions.
• Future Prospects: Emphasis on Pickens' contract year and his potential to secure a lucrative deal based on his performance.

Notable Quotes:

• Ocho Cinco at [00:35]: “George Pickens is too talented to be bouncing around.”
• Angeli Sud at [07:25]: “They’re gonna do wonders. It just boosts that offense.”
• Angeli Sud at [17:06]: “Don't be shocked if the Cowboys win NFC East.”

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This comprehensive recap offers insights into the strategic importance of George Pickens' trade, the expected impact on the Dallas Cowboys' performance, and the ongoing struggles within the Pittsburgh Steelers’ receiving corps. Whether you're a dedicated NFL fan or someone catching up on the latest team dynamics, this episode provides valuable analysis and engaging discussion on one of the season's most talked-about trades.

Transcript

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[Ocho Cinco]

The volume. But I, I really hope George Figgins figures it out. I mean, he's too talented ojo to be bouncing around. You know, sometimes people will give you grace. One of you, okay, it wasn't the right situation. The quarterback, you go to the Cowboys like, okay, but don't, don't, don't, don't, don't go anywhere else but the Cowboys. Now if the money, you know, you want more money, I totally understand that. But don't have the issues that you had in Pittsburgh, here in Dallas. That's all, that's all I'm saying. Like Deontay Johnson, like, bro, you, you on three teams last year. Something ain't right.

[Angeli Sud]

You.

[Ocho Cinco]

So hopefully I, I because I agree with you. OO I think he's too talented. He can run, he can catch, he's strong, he physical, got great, great catch radius, great run after the catch, can high point the football. He can block what he wants to block. Yeah, but the problem is a lot of these young receivers, oo, they only see value in catching touchdowns or passes. They don't see value in clearing it out and let CD Lamb come in behind him and catch it. They don't see value in blocking. And the running back, instead of getting a 10 yard, he got a 50 yard touchdown. So you got to find value in other things when you're not doing what the thing you see is valuable. He sees valuable is catching a bunch of passes, scoring touchdowns. But there's also value value in opening it up. So CD Lamb and Jake Ferguson. And maybe the third receiver gets a catch or a block that, you know, a guy could have got 10y, you got 10 yards, maybe you sprang in for 40 or 50. You have to find other ways to bring value and to have value other than the thing that you think is valuable, which is catching passes and catching touchdowns. But I hope he gets it figured out because I do think he's immensely talented. I think he has a bright future. But don't squander this opportunity, young man. Don't squander it.

[Angeli Sud]

I told you I got him. He good. We done had the conversation. That's why after that conversation I told you I had with him, we ain't had no issues since. Now whatever. Whatever the feeling.

[Ocho Cinco]

They ain't playing no football since.

[Angeli Sud]

My point exactly. My point exactly. So what you think? We.

[Ocho Cinco]

He ain't have no problems off the field. His all problems on the field to me.

[Angeli Sud]

Stay with me real quick now. I want you to see. Now watch the George Pickens we get in Dallas. Now I'm. And I'm. I'm saying. Because if he, if he went to goddamn Dallas, I'm part of Dallas too. Now watch what we get, okay? So anytime, Anytime you make a mistake, everybody makes sure you come back. And you blame me. It's my fault. I let y' all die.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, I mean, I don't care about. Look, you're gonna make mistakes, but I'm not saying that.

[Angeli Sud]

Hey, I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm talking about that. I'm talking about that too. All of it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Cause it's hard to tell if, you know, obviously, you know, sometimes the guy run the wrong route. The quarterback was like, put his hands up and he's like, you know, he'll point to himself. That's really the only way, you know, unless you know, you played in the offense and you know, the route combination and what goes with what. A lot of times I see west coast offenses, I kind of, I'm pretty familiar. They might call the terminology something different now because it's evolved since Bill Walsh. Well, Paul Brown, that was Paul Brown's offense and then Bill Walsher expanded upon it and gave it to west coast offense. It's expanded, but I have a pretty good general knowledge of teams that run that system, what the route combination, what, what it should look. And so I feel very comfortable when I say something that I'm correct to a fairly degree of certainty. But he can definitely help the Cowboys. Cowboys have been looking for a number two since CD got there. They had Gallup. Gallup had a good year, got the big contract. He just couldn't stay healthy. Ocho and he wasn't the same player after he came off that knee injury. I think he tore his acl. He wasn't the same. He wasn't the same player.

[Angeli Sud]

It's hard. The acl, the acl, the acl, uh, they got. Damn. Achilles is very, very difficult to come back, especially for skilled position players. I think quarterbacks, you know, if, if you're not much of a dual threat, which most quarterbacks are now, it's hard to come back, man. It's visible.

[Ocho Cinco]

Very. Yeah, it normally takes you a year unless you're Adrian Peterson. Adrian Peterson got people, got people thinking that, that he just had an ankle sprain.

[Angeli Sud]

Hey, he came back and had a better season the next year.

[Ocho Cinco]

And was it? Yeah, he went for 2000, was the MVP and offensive player of the year. Yeah, he almost broke Ed's record. He was what he had 2097. So he was nine yards short of breaking Ed's record. The closest anyone has been. He single handedly got that team to the playoffs cups. His quarterback was partner.

[Angeli Sud]

And they had Sydney Rice. Remember Sydney Rice?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, but Dan, you said you wanted to see pick. Go somewhere else and see. Well, you get your wishes. I think he got his wishes.

[Angeli Sud]

Not only did he get his wishes, now we have consistent quarterback play. I don't care what the chat or what the people of the world may think of Dak Prescott. He's still an adequate quarterback in this NFL.

[Ocho Cinco]

He's better than what he had in Pittsburgh for sure.

[Angeli Sud]

Who you telling? You know, so obviously in that nfc, in that NFC east, it's a good thing for the Cowboys offensively. So Dak has someone else outside of CD Lamb and I can't remember the Titans name who's actually good.

[Ocho Cinco]

Jake Fergus.

[Angeli Sud]

Fergus is a reliable target. But to add. To add George Pickens to the ham and to that weaponry for. For. For. For Dak to have. Offensively, I think they gonna do numbers.

[Ocho Cinco]

They.

[Angeli Sud]

They gonna do wonders. It just. It just boasts that offense. And listen, as long as they use Young Bull the right way, man, sky's the limits for him. Sky's the limits for him.

[Ocho Cinco]

Steelers DB DeShawn Elliott does not want Alan Lazard to be traded to his team under the IG post. Talking about Lazard being involved in the heavy trade rumors with Pittsburgh, Deshawn commented. He's so booty.

[Angeli Sud]

Wait, wait. Say that again.

[Ocho Cinco]

You can see. You see it up on your screen. You can see what I. You can see exactly what I see. Damn, he so cheeks. Lol.

[Angeli Sud]

I can't see it. That good man. You know, man, my eyes bad now.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well. Well, everybody. Everybody else see it.

[Angeli Sud]

What happened now? Say it again. Tell me. Tell me too, because it's too small up there.

[Ocho Cinco]

Alan Hazard is being involved in trade. The Steelers are possibly. Could possibly trade for Alan Lazard. Deshawn commented under the post talking about the trade and he said he's cheats with Deshawn. Deshawn Elliott, he's a DB for the Pittsburgh Steelers. The Steelers are involved in Lazard, who's a receiver. Ocho, you can read. You see what he said right there?

[Angeli Sud]

Y' all they beefing, though.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay. I don't know what is. That's what he said. I don't. I didn't get any further than that. You know exactly what.

[Angeli Sud]

I'd be a fly on the wall. I hope the trade does go through and Alan Lazar does go to the Steelers. Cause now the Steelers have to find a replacement for George Pickens. So somebody got to come in there. They need a body somewhere. I can't wait to see that. DeShawn. DeSean Elliott. Yeah, shoot. He like that. He like that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Got that?

[Angeli Sud]

Is he like that? He's supposed to be that boy at db Ojo.

[Ocho Cinco]

Ocho. Ocho. I'm just. All I say. Okay, Steeler. Deshawn Elliott does not want Alan Lazar traded to his team under an IG post. Talking about Lazar being involved in heavy trade rumors with Pittsburgh. DeShawn it. DeShawn. DeShawn Elliott. Blue check mark. Blue check mark.

[Angeli Sud]

He so cheeks, I'm asking you, is he like that? He talk about his team. Is he. That boy is he the.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, show you. Oh. We both do the same thing. I don't know. Is he?

[Angeli Sud]

I'm asking you. I don't know. Listen, I, I.

[Ocho Cinco]

What you don't mean you don't know?

[Angeli Sud]

Do you know? Yes. He good like that. He like. He. He like he's the next coming Reavis.

[Ocho Cinco]

I guess he said. Hey. I guess he said. He said. He said Lazard isn't like that. Is he certain? Is he Ramsey? Is he Stingley?

[Angeli Sud]

That's what I'm asking you. I mean, he. Okay. That's all I wanted to know. I just want to know.

[Ocho Cinco]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You just said all year long, you say you like when players speak up. Tell her how it is.

[Angeli Sud]

I like that. I like that.

[Ocho Cinco]

So what does it matter if he's like or not?

[Angeli Sud]

No, because do that to the opponent, not to somebody coming to you.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, you said you want players to tell the truth, even with their own team. That's what you saying.

[Angeli Sud]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, I like that, but I'm just. Listen, like, talking like that. You got to be that boy.

[Ocho Cinco]

Why he telling the truth.

[Angeli Sud]

You still got to be that boy.

[Ocho Cinco]

So another. So unless you're not the boy, you can't.

[Angeli Sud]

So you can't be saying somebody else suck and then you ain't good at your job either. That don't make no sense. That'll make no sense.

[Ocho Cinco]

Just because I'm not good at my job, that don't mean he good at. He is. Two things can be true. I can suck at my job, he suck at his. Two things can be true. This is not a. A mutually exclusive endeavor here.

[Angeli Sud]

Listen, hey, listen, listen. I'm an avid. I'm an avid. I'm an avid football fan. I'm. I'm. I'm an enthusiast. I'm very passionate about this. So obviously I'm asking, you know how much I love the DB position. People in the chat, you know how much I love the DB position. I studied the players that are at the position. Most of the time, it's most of the big names. So the fact that I'm asking, is he even like that? I need. I need to see him on film. Young bull. Deshawn Elliott, I'm watching you this year. I love you, I respect you, but you talk about my receivers. You talk about a friend of mine. So now, Now I got my eyes on you. So now throughout the season, obviously, when the Steelers play, you gotta play the Bengals. So I wanna see what you do against Chase, huh? I Wanna see what you do against.

[Ocho Cinco]

But Lazard ain't Chase, I'm sure. I don't think he would have said that if they had. If they were involved in trade group.

[Angeli Sud]

With Chase calling somebody else cheeks. So that means you gotta be that boy. So now I'm expecting. I was a trash talker. I was a trash. That's what I did. I did that 13 years straight, you know, And I talk for a reason. Cause I could walk everything out back. So if you're calling one person trash, then you gotta be that boy.

[Ocho Cinco]

Everybody. Everybody that talk trash ain't like that. You think Everybody. So everybody that talk trash. Jordan and Kobe.

[Angeli Sud]

No, but. Oh, only people that talk. Hey, think about this. The people that actually have the personality and. And the balls and the goals that actually talk trash are actually that boy.

[Ocho Cinco]

I mean, it helps.

[Angeli Sud]

Hey, I'm excited. I not. I listen, I'm excited. I like stuff like that. Huh? Now, did Lazar respond back?

[Ocho Cinco]

I don't know. Did Lazar respond back? Well, he hadn't responded back at the time that we came on the air. I think the thing is, Ocho now with social media and Karan and you were talking about this. In basketball, what players think of other players in their own locker room is differently than what we at the outside thinks of certain players. So maybe the. Maybe.

[Angeli Sud]

Maybe they played against each other, but the ball.

[Ocho Cinco]

Maybe he thought. We thought like this Ocho, but we didn't have a platform to go say, yeah, he's some cheeks. He booty. Yeah, we didn't have no platform, but somebody was talking about a trade or somebody was saying something. We couldn't go comment under it.

[Angeli Sud]

I like this, though.

[Ocho Cinco]

We read about it in the newspaper or we saw it, but there was no way for us to comment on it. Oh, we might say, oh, we might say, oh, he sucked amongst us in the locker room. But then nobody that wasn't in the locker room would hear it. I like now it's right there for both. Everybody to see it. They got a blue check mark.

[Angeli Sud]

So it's.

[Ocho Cinco]

But also, unless it's. Unless he would hack.

[Angeli Sud]

But now he. He wasn't hacked. But this is what it does, though. Uncle you. When you put it out there like this and on social media now, you're gonna have everybody watching you. Not only that. So if something. If something goes wrong on your end during the season, what's the first thing they gonna bring up? Bingo. So now you. You getting beat or you getting. Or you getting toasted? Now you got. Now you got the Eye in the sky on you. So careful. That's why I said, wait a minute. Did he really tweet it out like that? Like publicly? Like, in order to do that, you got to be that boy. And there's a certain level of confidence you got to carry when you talk trash like that on social media. That's what I was asking. Now I know who Joy Reporter Jr. Is. You. You know, right? So you know Deshaun Elliott, why you. You on my radar, boy. Yeah, you want. You talking, you got to walk it, baby.

[Ocho Cinco]

And that's the thing is, is that he might have been talking about Alan Lazar, but all people are going to see is that that receiver beat you. So it doesn't matter who you talked about, even though that the receiver that beat you had nothing to do with it. You didn't say nothing about him. You was talking about him. But hey, that's on him now. It's out there now. Ocho, he said it. Ocho. The Cowboys said he had something brewing. All right, now, traded for George Pickens. They will send a 2026 third round pick and a 2027 fifth round pick to the Steelers for Pickens and a 2027 six round pick. The Cowboys had been searching for a legit wide receiver alongside CD but is Pickens the answer for Dallas?

[Angeli Sud]

Damn right he's answer.

[Ocho Cinco]

Jadon Blue, Ceedee Lamb, George Pickett and Jake Ferguson, along with Dak Prescott at the quarterback. Ocho, did the Steelers get enough for Picket?

[Angeli Sud]

Yeah, I think. I think they have. I'm not worried about what the Steelers got. I ain't really thinking about them. The fact that you let one of the better players in the NFL go, despite the issues and the problems that he's had, forget that. You just made Dallas better. You just made Dallas better. A lot of people in the chat, they might not understand how good George Pickens actually is. He needs this. He needed to change the scenery. Not only did he get a change of scenery, he went to America's team. This is perfect for that. This is very, very good for that. Because not only is CD Lamb a number one, you got you another number one in there, too. You got you another number one that can hit his head off the goal post from anywhere. Slants, hitches, deep balls, whatever it may be. Dak Prescott has to be thanking the football gods for this addition to his offense. It makes him better, especially NFC East. The Eagles, they got Devontae Smith, they got A.J. brown. The Commanders, they got Deebo Sam, they got Terry McLaurin. The Giants. Well, the Giants only have Malik neighbors. I'm not sure that the quarterback situation is still questionable. They have Jameis, they have Russell Wilson. But the Dallas Cowboys should make some noise this year despite their defensive woes that have been issues for them, especially stopping the run dog. They should score 35, 40 a game. They should score 35, 40 a game. It shouldn't be no issues. I don't care nothing about your running game. To me, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not saying it's equivalent to getting Saquon Barkley. I'm just saying the addition of George Pickens will make them offensively that much better. Especially if whoever the officer coordinator is, I can't remember his name if they use him.

[Ocho Cinco]

Brian Schottenheimer. Yeah, he's the head coach, so he's a coordinator, man.

[Angeli Sud]

Ain't gonna be straight, man. They gonna be straight. Now, don't be surprised. Now, I'm gonna say it here first. There's no disrespect to my Eagles. Eagles, you know I love you all my Eagles fans. You know I love you to the commanders either. I love y' all. But don't be shocked if the goddamn Cowboys win NFC east simply because that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, we'll be shocked.

[Angeli Sud]

That one edition. I'm telling you, I'm gonna be shocked. I'm telling you, it makes a quarterback job easy.

[Ocho Cinco]

I've been telling Ocho this since we had nightcap. I said it's called production and tolerance. And as long as production is here, tolerance will be here. Tolerance will never supersede production. I told Ocho then, man. I said, ocho, I'm telling you, I said their team will tolerate you until they can replace you.

[Angeli Sud]

Remember we had that talk, right? Remember I told you I talked with Pick? Remember after I told you I talked to him. Have you noticed you haven't had any issues from Pickens after that point? That I think it was the local Kansas City game.

[Ocho Cinco]

Christmas.

[Angeli Sud]

Yeah, the Kansas City game.

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[Ocho Cinco]

Remember, he didn't run. They read that red cover too.

[Angeli Sud]

And that's how he split. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but, but, but again, but again, he needed to change the scenery. On I agree. This is a good thing for him. He's an immense talent. His name needs to be there in the conversation of the top 10 receivers when it comes to not only production because he has the talent to do it. All Schottenheimer has to do is use them the right way to his strengths. He's going to be tremendous for the Cowboys.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey look, I'm just trying to figure out what it is going on in Pittsburgh that all these receivers keep getting up out of there. I don't know. But Uncle Ocho, I got a confession, man. I've been a long time Cowboy fan, man. You know, Jerry, you from Arkansas. You ain't got your alumni. Listen, yeah, I'm happy for us as Cowboys fans and I'm looking forward to us having a pretty solid season, man. That's all I'm saying. I know I had to get to know y' all before I told y' all that. Cause I know how y' all be. I figured. But you know what? I figured as much being from Arkansas and how Arkansas is close to Dallas. I, I, I didn't think it, I me, I was gonna say anything. I was like, you'll probably.

[Angeli Sud]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Cause everybody, because a lot of people that I know from Arkansas, they do get to the Cowboys. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They root, they, they root for the Cowboys. So I'm not surprised by this. But I Agree with you, Ocho. I do think this. This significantly helps their offense. Now the question is, are they gonna. Who they gonna have. Who the hell they gonna have blocking for that?

[Angeli Sud]

They got a little makeshift olive right now, huh?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, they do.

[Angeli Sud]

I think they're gonna be all right, though. They're gonna be all right.

[Ocho Cinco]

And you know, what can the Eagles do, Ojo?

[Angeli Sud]

They can run the ball, boy, and they can throw it and they can block. They got the best quarterback. Oh, yeah. Oh, my goodness. I forgot all. Yeah. And listen, this is an important. This is an important year for pick too, huh? This is.

[Ocho Cinco]

This is an important year in the contract year, man.

[Angeli Sud]

There you go, right there. He needs to get the. I. I know. He see Jamar Chase, he seen Justin Jefferson, he ct Higgins and everybody else getting paid. He deserves to be paid in that upper echelon above one of the top receivers in the league. And this is his year. This is. This. This is his year. You, you, you, you. No problems, no issue, no attitudes, no. No playing around. This is a money year for you. Go out there and handle your business.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's it. I'm trying to get. I'm trying to be in that $30 million receiver range. We going to throw in the ball.

[Angeli Sud]

Yeah. Oh, he gonna get it now.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yes, sir. Who you think run the trade, Ojo?

[Angeli Sud]

The Cowboys won the trade. The goddamn Steelers ain't got no. They ain't even figured out the quarterback situation yet. I don't care how many picks you got, Third round, two, second round, first round, man, you have no quarterback. So I see them finishing fourth in the division this year.

[Ocho Cinco]

Someone tweeted Ocho Dallas just broke the golden rule. Never buy a wide receiver, Mike Tomlin, and sell it. Do you agree?

[Angeli Sud]

No, I'm not sure how that's the golden rule. I don't understand because every. Every. Every receiver that's left, Antonio Brown, how did it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hold on. Okay, hold on, hold on. Martavius Bryant, how did that work out?

[Angeli Sud]

I'm not sure. I can't remember where he went.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, Antonio Brown, how did that go out?

[Angeli Sud]

When he left? For who? Where? Everywhere he went.

[Ocho Cinco]

Raiders.

[Angeli Sud]

Oh, you talking about what they did personally now? I can't touch on that. Okay, I see what you mean.

[Ocho Cinco]

No. So it worked out well, okay, how about Chase Claypool?

[Angeli Sud]

Okay, okay, go ahead, go ahead. Deontay Johnson, he hasn't been able to get his foot in the mud yet. Okay, three teams.

[Ocho Cinco]

Three teams.

[Angeli Sud]

He's in Cleveland right now, right? Yeah, him and Jerry Judy, they gonna do damage.

[Ocho Cinco]

Where did he get traded to Carolina. He went to Carolina? Yeah.

[Angeli Sud]

Carolina to where?

[Ocho Cinco]

And then he went somewhere else. Right. He was three teams. Yeah. And what did Baltimore do? Ocho. Joe.

[Angeli Sud]

What you laughing at? Joe?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. I'm just asking.

[Angeli Sud]

Hey. Hey. We gonna, we, we gonna be all right, though. We gonna be all right.

[Ocho Cinco]

So I can under, I can understand what the tweet is saying. Never buy receiver. San Antonio Holmes. Plaques made. Plaques. Had that great. Had that one season that he played with the Giants. They won the Super Bowl. Mike Wallace, he kind of didn't have. He, I mean, he kind of bounced around. He had a pretty good year in Baltimore, but I think he got, he went to, didn't he go. Where'd he go first? He went to Miami. Didn't he, didn't he go to Miami?

[Angeli Sud]

I was in Miami first.

[Ocho Cinco]

Or Minnesota. He went to. I think Mike Wallace went to Minnesota. Went to Miami first.

[Angeli Sud]

I can't remember.

[Ocho Cinco]

And then he ended up going to Baltimore. Right?

[Angeli Sud]

I don't remember. I remember that Mike was fast. Hold on.

[Ocho Cinco]

What you trying to say? You saying the wide receivers that come from the Steelers, they don't do nothing when they leave? I, I, I don't, I don't know why they have these issues when they're in Pittsburgh. That's what I don't get. Because they got me. They're immensely talented. Santorio holmes was sumo. MVP. Ocho.

[Angeli Sud]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

And they let him walk.

[Angeli Sud]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

A.B. and he still might because he's a Hall of Fame talent. I just think he's going to have to wait a lot longer than what he should have based on the numbers that he put up. Ocho. That's all I'm saying. Claypool, I don't know what had happened to him. Martavius Bryant, we know he had some issues. But you look at the receiver, the one thing Steelers can do. Ocho. They could draft receivers. I don't know why.

[Angeli Sud]

Always the Steelers. Listen, the Steelers, the Bengals, who else always have a receiver? The Cowboys.

[Ocho Cinco]

They had Manual Sanders. Emmanuel Sanders was great in Denver, but they just couldn't pay everybody. So, I mean, some of them. But some of the guys that they kept, they ended up having issues and ended up leaving. Is Claypool still in the league?

[Angeli Sud]

I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I know one thing. Huh? It's a do it, do or die, do or die season for George Pickens. His back is against the wall. He deserves to be paid. I understand the, the, the talent. You know, the talent. People in the chat that actually watch the game of football. Despite whatever issues he may have on field sometimes some of the antics, he is immensely talented when used the right way. I think that. I think the Steelers kind of didn't do him due justice and obviously he didn't help his.

[Ocho Cinco]

Well, I mean, the Steelers didn't have no quarterback.

[Angeli Sud]

That too. So what he did with what he had to work with, he did the best he could. Now, one where he's going now with another elite partner on the other side of you. Well, he gonna eat. I'm telling you. He gonna eat. He gonna eat.

[Ocho Cinco]

As you mentioned, Ocho, the NFC east, you got C.D. pickens, neighbors, Debo McLaurin, Devonte and A.J.

[Angeli Sud]

Brown over there.

[Ocho Cinco]

Is that the best. Is that the best. Is that the best division?

[Angeli Sud]

Absolutely. Absolutely. I'm from. From top to bottom. Now the other, the other good receivers in the other divisions, but they. Boy, they take the cake. Boy. Yeah, they take the cake.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. I mean most teams like. Yeah, they don't have. I mean, I think that, I think that the NFC north with Detroit, Chicago, Minnesota, Green Bay.

[Angeli Sud]

Yeah, they.

[Ocho Cinco]

They got. They got nice little. But not like that.

[Angeli Sud]

They got some good ones.

[Ocho Cinco]

Not like this. Nfc, let's see. NFC West. Nope. NFC South. Nope.

[Angeli Sud]

Yep.

[Ocho Cinco]

NFC North. We just mentioned the North. AFC South. Nope. AFC West. Now AFC south got some good one. Cause they got Travis Hunter.

[Angeli Sud]

Okay.

[Ocho Cinco]

They got Brian Thomas Jr. That's a good. They got me. They got Tank. They got Nico.

[Angeli Sud]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Tennessee got. No, Tennessee got. Tennessee got Calvin Ridley.

[Angeli Sud]

He might by himself, huh?

[Ocho Cinco]

Cause I think he is by himself. Because Traylon Brooks ain't working. He ain't working. And then you got the ones in Indy and he got nice little squad with Pittman.

[Angeli Sud]

It's not like the NFC east though.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Because AJ has been to the Pro Bowl. McLaurin, Debo, Neighbors, CD I think Pickens been to the Pro bowl once. Devontae. Yeah. So all these guys Pro bowl players. Yeah. NFC. He's got the best receivers. Falcons fans are upset that the first round draft pick Jalen Walker will wear number 11. Julio Jones is the fastest player in history to 10,000, 11,000, 12,000 and 13,000 yards. He most seasons averaging 100 yards a game. Most season with 250 yards. But the Falcons gave away his number 11 with the quickness and didn't retire. Should that Falcons have given away A number 11? No. Yes. They should not have given it away. Absolutely not. He's the best wide receiver in Falcons history. He's a bad boy.

[Angeli Sud]

And yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

And you know, they. Look, I know Dre Dre and what's the other one? White. Roddy white.

[Angeli Sud]

84. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

They had, you know, Billy White Shoes Johnson. They had Alfred Jenkins. Nah, Julio.

[Angeli Sud]

Different. Different. But you know, you know, owners, I don't think.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. They didn't. They didn't leave on the best terms.

[Angeli Sud]

Owners don't see. See it the same way we see it, you know, in understanding what they meant for the franchise. The way fans see Julio. I mean, one of the best. Not actually one of. One of the best all time. Not only that, but one of the. The best receiver to come out of your organization. And they just don't see the value in that, especially to retire jersey.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I guess they don't seem to think nobody should get their jury retired to them. Well, let's see if they give that number eight away. What number is Michael Penny Jr. Cause Matt Ryan was eight, right?

[Angeli Sud]

Two.

[Ocho Cinco]

Matt Ryan was two. Let's see if somebody give that two. You think they're gonna get that two away?

[Angeli Sud]

Yeah, yeah. Listen. I mean, there was also a little. A little. Not turmoil, just a little incident. Somebody with the Brown took two from.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, he already had it or he took. What you mean?

[Angeli Sud]

I mean, so another player. I'm not sure who the player is. I don't, don't. I don't. Don't quote me. I don't want to butcher anybody's name, but he chose two and Shador have to wear 12.

[Ocho Cinco]

I'm saying. I'm saying he new to the Browns or he already been there. Ojo. That's what I'm asking.

[Angeli Sud]

Yeah. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. But I definitely think Julio. They should not have given that number, that number 11 to anybody. That's Julio Jones.

[Angeli Sud]

Want to wear it? I wouldn't want to wear.

[Ocho Cinco]

I wouldn't either. That's how. That's why I'd be wondering when some of these kids be coming out and they be wanting some of these legends numbers. I'd be like, man, why would you want to even do that?

[Angeli Sud]

Yeah, yeah. You see, Abdul Carter wanted to wear 56 for the Giants.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, 56. And number 11. Cause Phil Sims wore number 11. It's retired. 56, 92 strays numbers retired. I think is Don Meredith numbers retired. Maybe Wiley Tittle. I think Jazz don't have many numbers retired, but they got a few. I think stray. I know straight. I think strays. Lt Sims.

[Angeli Sud]

Damn.

[Ocho Cinco]

Damn. Oh, yeah. Oh, well. Yeah, but they definitely should have Julio Jones number. Should be. They should. Nobody should wear that number. He was he was too good. And I. I get it. See, sometimes I think Ocho people allow the last year to ruin 10 or 11 really great years. And although it didn't end on the best terms, he's still Julio. He still did a great job for that organization. He was a model citizen in the community. And that should, you know. Yeah, I mean, for him to be. To be what he was for that organization, the numbers that he put up, I definitely think he was more than deserving to have that number retired. But it happened at age. I remember when I left. I left Denver and went to Baltimore. They gave my number to who? Chris. What's Chris last name? I forget now. Yeah. You won Super Bowls over there then. Yeah. What was Chris? Damn. I forget the guy's name now. In 2000. Who wore number two 84 in 2000. But when I came back, it was in my locker, bro. I was like, you actually thought I was gonna come back here and you was gonna be 84 and I was gonna be another number? You thought that? Man, please. Chris Cole. Yeah, Chris Cole. Where's he from? Texas A. I seen. Well, you know, playmaker. He like. He like for the wide receivers. The way his numbers, though, Michael. Oh, yeah. Cause. Cause he said they talk about here when they talk. Yeah, yeah, they got their own little club going over there. They don't really. I mean, like, they don't really retire a whole lot of numbers like the Steelers. I mean, it's only a handful of people that had that. Like Joe Green, I think. I think Joe Green, 75. Terry Bradshaw, 12. Ernie Stotner, I think Ernie Worst, 72, but they ain't a whole lot.

[Angeli Sud]

Oh, DeAndre Carter was.

[Ocho Cinco]

But I mean, if they. If they. If they retired. Autumn Steelers, great, man. You ain't gonna have no numbers. He like Boston. I mean, you think. You think about swan. 88, 82, 32, 12, 47. I think Mel Blunt might. Number might be retiring Blunt. I mean, look at. Look at all those hall of Famers. They had like five or six on defense at one time. Two receivers, the center, running back, quarterback. So that's five on offense. Joe Green, Mel Blunt, Jack Ham Lambert, Donnie Shell, five on defense. So you got 10 hall of Famers out of your 22. How you like that, Ocho? You coach in the hall of Fame.

[Angeli Sud]

And your owner boy, the Red boy, was a real deal.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. And you could make a case. LC Greenwood should be in the hall of Fame, but I definitely think Julio. They did, huh? Yes, officially. Like Joe Greedy. The volume.

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