Club Shay Shay | "Rappers Recycling Women, Dating 'Ghetto Girls,' & Looking For Love"

Truth After Dark with Azar Faraday & Paul Pierce

Date: December 8, 2025
Podcast: Club Shay Shay | iHeartPodcasts & Shay Shay Media

Episode Overview

This "Truth After Dark" episode features hosts Azar Faraday and Paul Pierce (former NBA star) tackling burning fan-submitted questions around the social dynamics of dating among rappers, athletes, and celebrities. They explore why the same women seem to circulate in celebrity circles, dive into gender role clashes (the so-called "gender wars"), authenticity in romantic choices, the mythos of “ghetto girls,” attachment patterns, trauma bonding, and co-parenting—offering raw, sometimes controversial, and always unfiltered perspectives.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Why Do Celebrities & Rappers 'Recycle' the Same Women?

[05:21 – 09:12]

• Paul Pierce: Most celebrities, athletes, and rappers hang out at the same spots (clubs, VIP events), leading to them meeting and dating the same group of women:
  • “They’re always in the same spots…Beautiful girls hang with other beautiful girls, so they form a crew. You see an athlete or rapper walk in, they’re right there, and it just happens.” [06:13]
• Many women intentionally position themselves in these settings to connect with high-profile men.
• This cycle is perpetuated partly by both male bravado and social media flexing:
  • “This generation…look at it as a flex…‘Oh, this is [so-and-so’s] ex—she mine now.’” [08:53]
• Azar: Critiques hypocrisy: Men complain about “the same women,” but continually chase them, often ignoring substance and intent in favor of status and appearance.

2. The Gender War and Reversal of Roles

[09:37 – 14:57]

• The hosts unpack the "gender war," arguing that today’s relationship landscape is muddled by evolving gender roles and expectations:
  • Paul: “There’s a power struggle—more masculine women and more feminine men. Now there’s a clash.”
  • Azar: “There’s way more feminine men painting nails, wearing dresses. The roles have reversed.” [11:00]
• They highlight the internet’s tendency to conflate vulnerability with femininity in men, or independence with masculinity in women—a dynamic they both see as problematic.
• Paul: Admits that as an older man, his views are rooted in tradition—but he recognizes the need to adapt.

3. Responsibility & Platform Influence

[14:16 – 16:53]

• Azar: Challenges Paul on using his platform to voice problematic male views, asking if he feels responsible for fueling gender wars.
• Paul: Accepts partial responsibility but clarifies he often represents the sentiments of men lacking a voice, rather than prescribes problematic behaviors—like cheating as a test of love.

4. Testing Love & Intuition in Relationships

[16:57 – 22:14]

• Discussions about how celebrity status complicates trust in relationships; many celebrities knowingly remain in relationships lacking genuine connection, seeking companionship rather than true love:
  • Paul: “You live with it…but you know in the back of your mind, when shit turns left, she ain’t gonna hold you down.”
• Azar: Posits that these decisions can sour people for healthy relationships, leading to hurt and mistrust:
  • “You’re really causing harm to yourself…you might mess that whole thing up for someone real.” [20:15]

5. The “Ghetto Girl” Advice

[24:36 – 26:31]

• Paul’s tongue-in-cheek advice: Celebrities should date “ghetto girls,” not the bottle-service regulars.
  • “Get you one of these ghetto girls…she do everything, cook, clean…sleep on the couch. Find you one like that. She ain’t never gon’ leave you, cause she don’t wanna go back.” [25:04–26:02]
• Azar: Pushes back: Is this just another form of dependency?

6. Serial Monogamy & Attachment Issues

[26:36 – 29:18]

• Explores people who jump from relationship to relationship, avoiding solo time and healing.
• Paul: Acknowledges making these mistakes himself.
• Advice: Don’t actively chase love—focus on healing; when content, the right person “smacks you in the face.”

7. Romantic Fantasies & Communication

[31:05 – 36:41]

• Paul’s fantasy: “More foot rubs, more feeding me, less talk.”
• Azar’s fantasy: “More communication, less holding stuff in and building resentment. Women fantasize about men being vulnerable and communicative.”
• They discuss how small, thoughtful gestures—not money—can be most romantic.

8. Trauma Bonding & the Language of Mental Health

[37:20 – 41:00]

• Azar: Explains trauma bonding as relationships rooted in shared pain or manipulation.
• Paul: Notances differences between healthy support and unhealthy trauma-based bonds. Skeptical of over-pathologizing modern dating terms, but Azar asserts many Black and Brown communities are only now confronting these issues openly.

9. Marriage vs. Childbearing—Which Is the Real Commitment?

[41:05 – 47:00]

• Cites Young Miami’s viral comment about preferring a child over marriage.
• Azar: Argues having a child is a far greater commitment.
  • “That’s the rest of your life…You can divorce someone, but a baby binds you forever.” [41:00]
• Paul: Counters that many don’t view it this way; parenting joys often outweigh marital stress for some.
• Both agree custody and responsibility issues are tricky and complicated.

10. Child Support & Co-Parenting Advice

[47:24 – 51:04]

• Paul: Believes child support should be abolished in favor of split, hands-on parenting:
  • “You keep the child for a month, I get them for a month. When they’re with you, you pay for what they need. When with me, I pay for what they need.”
• Both feel child support should only exist when a parent is totally absent.
• On handling "bitter" co-parents:
  • Paul: Focus on the kids’ wellbeing. Negotiation and communication are key, putting ego aside.

Notable Quotes & Moments

• Paul Pierce:
  • “Get you one of these ghetto girls. I’m telling you, she ain’t never gon’ leave you.” [25:04]
  • “We know it too, but we are dumb as men…We’re so visual.” [18:09]
  • “The key for a masculine man is to find a feminine woman...For the feminine man to find a masculine woman.” [11:16]
• Azar Faraday:
  • “Why do I come into a relationship having to prove myself every second?” [23:33]
  • “Chasing is the opposite of attraction. You should be attracting.” [30:10]
  • “If you go to the grocery store hungry, you’ll pick anything. But if you’re already satiated, you’ll get what’s right for you.” [29:49]

Memorable Segments & Timestamps

• Celebrity “Recycled Women” Analysis: [05:21–09:12]
• Masculine vs. Feminine Role Reversal: [09:37–14:57]
• Platform Accountability: [14:16–16:53]
• Testing Partners & Intuition: [16:57–22:14]
• “Ghetto Girl” Rant: [24:36–26:31]
• Attachment Patterns, Advice to Heal: [26:36–29:18]
• Romantic Desires (More/Less): [31:05–36:41]
• Defining Trauma Bonding: [37:20–41:00]
• Marriage vs. Child Commitment: [41:05–47:00]
• Child Support, Co-Parenting Solutions: [47:24–51:04]

Tone, Style & Final Thoughts

The episode is unfiltered, lively, and alternately humorous and serious. Paul’s old-school, sometimes controversial perspective is counterpointed by Azar’s modern, self-aware approach. The conversation is equal parts entertainment, cultural analysis, and unsolicited (sometimes contradictory) relationship advice. Listeners will find frank conversation about celebrity culture and modern dating, peppered with laughs, blunt admissions, and pointed challenges.

Ideal For:
Anyone interested in the realities of celebrity dating, modern relationship challenges, gender dynamics, or looking to hear strong opinions and unfiltered truths on love, sex, and co-parenting in today's world.