REACTION to Cowboys Packers tie, Ravens get blown out by Chiefs, Jaxons Dart wins first start | Deebo and Joe

Summary

Club Shay Shay – “REACTION to Cowboys Packers tie, Ravens get blown out by Chiefs, Jaxons Dart wins first start”

Podcast Date: September 29, 2025
Hosts: James "Deebo" Harrison & Joe Haden

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Episode Overview

This Victory Monday episode dives deep into the wild events of NFL Week 4. Hosts Deebo and Joe break down the Steelers’ crucial win, the Ravens’ collapse against the Chiefs, the dramatic Cowboys-Packers tie, quarterback controversies in Cleveland, top defensive and offensive performances, and the debut of rookie Jaxson Dart. The duo’s candid, humorous, and sometimes heated banter sets the tone as they analyze games, key plays, locker room vibes, and what it all means for teams moving forward.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Steelers Recap: Resilience and “Bend, Don’t Break” (00:45–21:43)

• Early nerves, big plays: The Steelers start shakily but recover through aggressive defense (forced fumbles, key sacks) and explosive offensive performances, especially by DK Metcalf.
• "Move him around": The offense effectively utilizes Metcalf in multiple roles and implements more run/pass options for veteran QB Rodgers.
  • Quote: “You a man that been in this league forever. You one of the best to ever do it.” – Deebo on Rodgers’ control (03:19)
• Defensive Adjustments: The Steelers' defense stands out—blitzes, forced turnovers, and six sacks (several on critical third downs) prove vital.
  • Quote: “Sack game came alive... situational ball, man. That’s what we do.” – Deebo (09:30)
  • Notable play: Peyton Wilson chases down a would-be TD at 22.48 mph, saving crucial time. (14:18)
• Red-zone play-calling: Discussion on aggressive fourth-down decisions; debate over whether to run vs. pass.
• Run game and YAC: Steelers lean into YAC (yards after catch) — leading the league despite fewer deep shots.
  • Quote: “Distillers only average five yards per attempt in the air—that’s the fewest. But guess who lead the league in yards after catch. YAK. Stillers.” – Deebo (20:32)
• Concern: Defense gives up too many big plays due to blown coverages.
  • Quote: “You can’t just have people running scot free.” – Joe (07:42)

Browns' Struggles and Quarterback Controversy (21:45–26:44)

• Cleveland’s blowout loss: Lions dominate Browns 34–10; Flacco’s poor performance sparks QB debate.
  • Quote: “Even if it’s Dylan Gabriel or Shador Sanders, something kind of has to shake. I just don’t think that [Flacco]’s givin’ us a chance to win anymore.” – Joe (22:11)
• Defensive context: Many of the Lions’ points come off short fields after turnovers; hosts defend Browns’ defense (25:01).
• QB change suggestions: Joe advocates for trying someone new under center to provide a spark.

Ravens vs. Chiefs: Baltimore in Crisis (26:45–39:03)

• Ravens spiral: Chiefs blow out Baltimore; defense looks depleted and outmatched.
  • Injuries: Lamar Jackson suffers a hamstring strain, cornerback Wiggins also goes down, adding to woes.
  • Quote: “The Ravens’ defense is terrible… the defense is playing terrible and they’re getting injuries.” – Joe (27:18)
• Mahomes effect: Kansas City’s offense sharp and opportunistic, with balanced play-calling.
  • Quote: “KC never left… Patrick Mahomes is such a great QB… as long as he’s healthy, they’re always going to have a chance.” – Joe (35:49)
• Frustrations with Baltimore coaching: Fourth down decisions questioned; Harbaugh’s options seem limited amidst mounting injuries.
• Window closing: At 1–3 with six defensive starters out, the hosts declare Baltimore’s contention window “definitely closing.” (34:06)
  • Quote: “The defense… is allowing 33.3 points per game. Dude, that’s the worst in the NFL right now, bro.” – Deebo (34:47)

Cowboys–Packers 40–40 Tie: Defensive Meltdown (39:03–55:13)

• Defensive shocks: Both teams’ defenses collapse in a shootout ending in a rare tie.
  • Tiebreak suggestions: Hosts mock current NFL overtime rules, suggesting college-style shootouts for regular season.
  • Quote: "You did all that for nothing. I want a loss or a win!" – Deebo (49:17)
• Standout stats: Dak feasts on Packers—31/43, 319 yards, 3 TDs. Pack miss CD Lamb and linemen, still drop 40.
• Packers’ decline: Joe notes recent struggles after a rookie’s “undefeated season” boast (51:43).
• Effort questions: Joe feels Dallas’s defensive effort is lacking, more so than Packers’ execution (54:15).
• Absurd yardage: Dallas averages 420 yards allowed per game; even Packers give up 436 this game.

Giants’ Upset & Jaxson Dart’s Debut (55:22–57:00)

• Chargers upset by Giants: Rookie QB Jaxson Dart shines in first start, compared to Bo Nix’s early days.
  • Quote: “He was giving me Bo Nix vibes… just don’t mess it up, don’t turn the ball over. Extend some plays. So it looked good.” – Joe (56:36)
• Malik Nabers’ injury: The Giants’ win overshadowed by Nabers’ torn ACL.

Eagles Dominate Bucs; AJ Brown’s Cryptic Tweet (57:00–62:17)

• Eagles outclass Bucs 31–25: Jalen Hurts efficient (15/24, 2 TDs, 0 INT), Eagles defense smothers TB (99 first-half yards).
• AJ Brown’s tweet dissected: Joe interprets it as a passive-aggressive plea for more targets; Deebo notes tweeting is the opposite of “quietly withdrawing.” (60:49)
  • Quote: “Anytime you tweet, anything you tweet is… you just contradicted everything.” – Joe (61:41)

Cam Ward Keeps It Real (62:34–64:16)

• Brutal honesty: Ward’s postgame comments on his team’s 0–4 start are quoted and praised for candor.
  • Quote: “We ass. We owe in four. We have at this point, we got nothing to lose. We dropped a quarter of our games.” – Cam Ward (62:49)
  • Joe’s take: “He kept that shit 1000. End of the day, I’m not mad at him for saying this.” (63:25)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Peyton Wilson chase play: “22.48 miles an hour. He went to go get it. That boy is fast. That’s the effort you need.” – Deebo (14:30)
• On blown coverages: “You can’t just have people running scot free through our defense... that’s the thing that’s gonna mess it all the way up.” – Joe (18:25)
• On the tie game: “That’s like going out there and you just did all that for nothing. I want a loss or a win.” – Deebo (39:14, repeated 49:16)
• On the Browns QB mess: “I can do bad all by myself. I can put someone else in that can do different than this. Like, give us a spark, give us something.” – Joe (22:17)
• AJ Brown drama: “You're making a scene by tweeting it out. If you weren’t, just say anything and you could just do this, like, after the… year. Anything you tweet is going to… you just contradicted everything.” – Joe (61:41)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Steelers vs. Vikings breakdown: 00:45–21:43
• Browns QB crisis/Lions game: 21:45–26:44
• Ravens-Chiefs & Baltimore's collapse: 26:45–39:03
• Cowboys-Packers wild tie: 39:03–55:13
• Giants vs Chargers, Jaxson Dart’s debut: 55:22–57:00
• Eagles-Bucs, AJ Brown tweet: 57:00–62:17
• Cam Ward’s candid critique: 62:34–64:16

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Overall Tone & Takeaway

The conversation is candid, often lighthearted, but always rooted in the hosts’ years of NFL experience. They blend passionate, sometimes comedic fan reactions with sharp on-field analysis, offering insights for both casual viewers and diehards. Throughout, Deebo and Joe don’t shy away from tough truths—whether about their own teams’ weaknesses, league-wide coaching decisions, or the state of struggling franchises.

If you missed this episode:
You’ll get spirited breakdowns of the week’s wildest games, a sense of locker room frustrations, appreciation for big moments and controversial calls, and a healthy dose of honest, unvarnished football talk from two longtime pros.

Transcript

[A]

This is an I Heart podcast. Welcome back to Deebo and Joe on this Victory Monday. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison. I'm here with my co host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you guys like and subscribe. How you. How you doing today, Joe?

[B]

Man, people, I'm feeling good, man. You know, Stillers came through with that good early morning. Well, it was good.

[A]

Stillers, I could have swore last Monday you was. You was wearing a Browns jersey, wasn't you?

[B]

I keep Debo Dibo. Every time, every time this happens, I always tell you I have multi loyalties. So when the Steelers win, I feel happy about it. When the Browns win, I feel happy about it. So I'm able to hold on. I'm able to do a little bit of both.

[A]

So what happened when we play twice.

[B]

A year, when we play once a year, Twice a year, Twice a year. When we play twice a year, I'm neutral. I want to see good football. I want the best team going into.

[A]

The hall of Fame is neutral.

[B]

See why you keep going about this hall of Fame thing, Debo? I got mixed loyalties. You are obviously with me with the Steelers, and we gonna rock with that. But it's okay. Can I, Can. Can I not show the Steelers some love too? Is that okay?

[A]

It's okay. I just. I just, I'm. I'm just trying to get a clarification. The people keep asking me, Joe.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

The people.

[B]

Okay. No, no. Every time you ask me, I'm gonna give you more and more clarity. Every time. Let's talk about.

[A]

Let's talk about my. I mean, r. Stilling, man. You know, we out there in Dublin, Ireland, going out there, first time ever, getting that good dub.

[B]

Early in the morning.

[A]

Early in the morning, Mr. Rooney. Of course. Yes, sir. Early in the morning, 9:30. I ain't gonna lie to you. I didn't. I didn't. I didn't like how our first possession went. Like, we get sacked on the first down, brother. And it looked like it was just a pure misassignment. We get pressured on the next two and then we gotta punk the route.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Early Minnesota get the ball, they start driving down the field and we get a fumble, baby, for a touchdown recovery. I'm like, hey, this. This is what we do.

[B]

That's what you thought.

[A]

That's what I thought. And then I saw the running back, he went on ahead and touched the ball. They had to do some rule stuff and all that. Whatever it was.

[B]

Yes, yes. That was fluke.

[A]

I didn't like it. But they Helped us out. They. They had a legal man downfield. We came in there with that same sack him on third down, held him to a field goal, you know. Yes, but we get back out there, you know what I'm saying? We got to get that man involved. Who that man is?

[B]

That man is DK Metcalf.

[A]

K Megat, that man. We went on here, we started moving him around. We said, you know, we ain't gonna put him out there always at the 1. We're gonna move him to the 2 and the 3. We say, Rogers, hey, instead of just straight out running the run. Listen, we. You a man that been in this league forever. You one of the best to ever do it.

[B]

Look what you see.

[A]

And we gonna give you run pass option.

[B]

So we started doing a little.

[A]

Little dink and dunk here on the run pass option. He don't like what he see. He gone ahead and he. He toss it off and. And what we do, what we do.

[B]

Your man gain well, ended up finishing it off. We got a TD on the.

[A]

Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Touchdown.

[B]

Touchdown, brother was. And the one thing I loved about that, too, was in that drive. You said DK had three catches on that drive. And Gainwell brother, even just. He was toting that rock and just being able to give him the ball, give him chances. He was. He did his thing on that drive. So I love to see that when they went down there, scored, made a 7 to 3 back to the Bikers. Let's see what they do.

[A]

Much of nothing, man. They come down there, you know, they get a play here and there, but you know, defense go ahead and, you know, they blitz. Listen on them boys, they gonna get a nice little false start. And what happened again, Sack that punt, that ball on over to here. And what we were just talking about some man, what that man name was.

[B]

The one that we talked about that we needed him. Just get involved, just get his feet wet. They saying he hasn't been being explosive. They don't know what it is. And he. DK, what did he. 80 yard, took it to the crib. My man was running like a mixture of Adrian Peterson. He had a little Pacheco. He was grinding, getting up the sideline. And I love the way that he finished it on the three and still ducked in the buddy and still got into the end zone. That play was unbelievable. DK was. He looked. He looked great. Hit him.

[A]

Said, I ain't going out of bounds. What it looked like going out of bounds. I ain't running this far. Not to go in here and get me six. I ain't about to run in here and not get me six. What you talking about?

[B]

That. That was. That was fire, bro. That was. That was grade A dk. That was prime dk. Metcalf Young running down the field looking sweet. Question. So that turns the 14 3. It's 14 3. Debo.

[A]

We're.

[B]

We're at this point, I'm like, oh, we might as well. This could be the game. We might as well just run away with it. Defense performing. Office performing. Let's keep it going.

[A]

No question. Minnesota, you know, they did a little something. Defense being a little bit. But we don't. We don't break, you know what I'm saying? We went on ahead, we got. It got heavy. We started blissing them, you know what I'm saying? Doing what we had to do. What happened then? Interception.

[B]

Elliot.

[A]

Interception.

[B]

Yeah. So we. We get a pick. We get the pick. But then after that, still his field goal.

[A]

Well, this is what happened, man.

[B]

You know what happened next.

[A]

Rogers went on here and took off. He fumbled the rock, you know. Yeah, but. But we recovered it, you know what I'm saying? Then. And then we got. You know, we got. We got sacked later and settled for the field goal attempt. But that damn Rogers, he came in there and blocked it. You know what? I shouldn't have made him play it of the week last week. That's what I shouldn't have did. He might not have blocked that field goal.

[B]

He's watching.

[A]

He had. Dude, he had to be. He had to be. Offense, they come out there, man, they go for, I think, like 10, 12 on the pass. But then we get a rough in the pass, so they add 15 on it. Then we get caught in the blitz. They hit us for 17, then 15, 30. But, you know, being. But don't break.

[B]

That's exactly what.

[A]

Oh, yeah, we give them a little three. We get them a little three. Half time. 16, 14. What?

[B]

We got 14 six.

[A]

Yeah, 14 six. I ain't. I ain't tripping, you know what I'm saying? My deep. My man DK got 122 at the half. You know, Rogers, 12 or 14 for 165, you know, I ain't gonna lie. That boy wins. He. Yeah, he went 16 or 20 for 150. And Jeffries, you know, Jefferson, he had. He had like 100, maybe 97, 95, something like that, bro.

[B]

It's the big. They were giving up a lot of big plays. They were keeping them out of the end zone. But they definitely too many just blown coverages. Those overalls, you gotta keep eyes on them. I think sometimes those blown coverages, we gonna get into them in the second half when we could have really ran away with it, you know what I'm saying? But we just, we gotta tighten up. It's definitely been. But don't break. But you can't just have people running scott free.

[A]

Yeah, we come out, they get the rock, you know, tackle for a lost sack, all that. Let's go. Still the ball and three and out. Come on, man. What we doing?

[B]

Quick, quick three and out doing.

[A]

We get back in there though. Sack. Fumble.

[B]

Zach.

[A]

Fumble. Yeah, but they recovered it anyway, but sack again. And then they went on here and tried to pick it and you know it's another man on that team that's on it.

[B]

That man TJ SWAT is always going to come through.

[A]

TJ swat, pick, catch, run with that thing.

[B]

That thing that was just.

[A]

Run with that thing. It was a good short field.

[B]

What do you need?

[A]

Offense go out there. What they do.

[B]

Td to who? To who? The running back.

[A]

Listen, man, we getting, we getting, we getting, we getting, we getting everybody involved. Offense did a better job running that ball too. They especially with that, that, that, that pass run option. I wasn't, I wasn't tripping, man. I wasn't tripping.

[B]

I was very, very. It, it, it looked good, man. It looked good, especially in the first half. That still going into the second half Dr. Game. Well, just making sure that we end of the day having him run the ball, even if he's not getting like 10 yards of pop, he, he was getting about five, six yards a pop. That's going to make the defense that's going to put DK in these one on one, in these one on one matchups for sure.

[A]

For sure. So this is what I'm trying to get, get to. Man sack game came alive.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I think of the six sacks we had, I believe three or four of them was on third down. So situational ball, man. That's, that's what we do, man. That's what we do. We go ahead and move the ball a little around a little bit. You know, we, we settle, we settle for a nice little, little, little, little field goal.

[B]

We got feel go. We got field goal.

[A]

But again, Minnesota get the ball. We had, we had Jaylen get hurt and I think that was the play where we had that blown coverage. Dude, just running scot free.

[B]

Running scot free. That's what I'm talking about.

[A]

We can't have Those, we can't have that at all.

[B]

Now Scott free td, they end up getting this.

[A]

Now we're in a fight and they.

[B]

Got the two point conversion.

[A]

Now we're in a fight. You know what else happened? They played the Renegade again at the wrong time.

[B]

See, okay, that's not what they ended up scoring.

[A]

15 after they played that Renegade again.

[B]

At the wrong time when they ended up getting that touchdown. Debo. Cause the score now is 24 to 14.

[A]

24. No, it's not. It's 2421 right now, right? No, it's 2114. You right, you right. You're right, you're right. No, it's not. It's 21, 24, 24 14.

[B]

Cause the Steelers just got that field goal.

[A]

You're right. Yeah. Listen here, man, just telling y', all, if y' all can't play the Renegade at the right time, don't do it. Last time y' all played it, it was against Seattle when they was about to kick off to us. And that did not end well. Okay, we come out there after that though, and we do a, we do a hot three and out. Like. Yeah, yeah, like three and out.

[B]

What?

[A]

Anyway, man, get out here in the. You know, the defense, they. They gave up a lot of yards. Dude, I didn't, I didn't really much appreciate the yardage that, that my guys gave up, but we back into it, we end up letting them boys score a touchdown. When was it?

[B]

Yes, that next.

[A]

Was it that next possession? We let them boys score a touchdown? We ain't let him score a touchdown. You know, we wasn't trying to let him start.

[B]

And then when we. I think a lot of the stuff that we ended up doing at the end of the game too, was our play calling. When we ended up getting the ball back on fourth and we was not going for it on fourth down.

[A]

I understood the one.

[B]

You understood it.

[A]

I understood, honestly, like, I understood the end of the, of the one, you know, first down at the end of the fourth down that he didn't go for. And that basically is like we're a bend, not break defense. They're going to need room to bend. Now if you had went there, went for it and didn't get it, the yardage that they ended up getting would have got him a field goat. You see what I'm saying?

[B]

No, I feel it, I feel it. I just, I just think at the end of the day, I mean. No, what about the play that we went for when we went for on fourth down, when we, we did go forward on fourth down and they ended up. I think it was a good call that we went for it on 4th, but I think we could have just spread them out and passed it. We tried to run. We, it was fourth and goal from the four yard line. Obviously we could hopefully like be able to get the run. Hopefully he scores. But just with the option of having a rod to be able to spread. I think there's a lot more 5 yard dink dunk pass plays that you can do to get a touchdown in that on that play than running the ball.

[A]

Right, but see, that was another situation. We went forward on fourth, didn't get it and they ended up scoring touchdown all the way from down there.

[B]

No, I mean, yeah, that was the blow. Because that's the blow. That's the blown coverage. You're saying with, with the be like we on cover four on the side. We had slay and my man, the safety step up and that was great effort by my man. That walked him down too. Who was that?

[A]

It was a linebacker. What's his name?

[B]

Linebacker. Oh my goodness. That man ran. Had to run 20 something miles an hour. He was sliding.

[A]

No. Or that receiver was slow. I don't know. Probably a combination of both. Sliding and.

[B]

Dude combination of both.

[A]

The normal receiver would be.

[B]

Nah, for sure. But I, I at that, I mean, I definitely know what you're saying that that was just a blown coverage. We went for it and they ended up, like you said, they ended up scoring on that. But God damn, they had to drive. They had to go 90 yards.

[A]

Peyton Wilson. That's the name, bro. 22.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Listen.

[B]

Shout out Payson Wilson.

[A]

Listen, they, they say, they say 22.

[B]

8. 228 miles an hour.

[A]

22.48 miles an hour. He went to go get it. That boy.

[B]

He went to go get that. That boy is fast. That's the effort you need. That's, that's the effort you need. They gonna play that because he ended up saving a lot of time. They would have scored a whole lot quicker. He made him run a whole lot more plays. Ended up getting in the end zone.

[A]

Oh yeah. They burned off 61 seconds, bro. Oh yeah, for sure. That definitely helped us, especially towards the end as they were, you know, as they were going down, getting a little stuff here and there. And of course, you know, we got the sack to close it out, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

No, no, no, definitely. The defense went out there, finished to close it out the way that they had to. No, didn't Get. Didn't let them get in field goal range. No, that's great. I just think this just the two plays, I mean, everything's 22, 20, 20, 20 20. Hindsight is 20 20, but, you know, I would have just tried to run a pass there on that one. And then on the last fourth, just not letting them get the ball back at all. You know what I'm saying? Everything worked out for.

[A]

Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but like, like, like I'm saying, we're ahead. We're ahead.

[B]

Yeah, you would have did the same thing.

[A]

If we don't make it. We just gave him a short field. They only need three to tie it. Who knows what happens in overtime? Let me punt this ball, you know, give my defense the opportunity. We already at that time, got five sacks. We're pressuring him. We're, We're. We're having, you know, we're having success. I'm gonna make you have to drive the field some length before you can get into field goal range to be able to kick it. And, you know, that's exactly what they did. Like I said, we're a defense that's, you know, bend. Don't, don't, don't break. And sometimes we break, though, so they need that room. They need that room to bend. You know, the good thing for sure.

[B]

Like, like you said, too, you can. You could do it both ways. You know what I'm saying? Like, if they, like you said when they did. When we did go for it and they didn't get it, they still went down and scored. So still punting the ball off to the defense, putting them in a situation, whatever, like, they could have still been able to get the touchdown, but like you said, they needed some space to bend. So I, I feel it both ways. I just, like, if you got the ball in your hands, don't give it. Don't give them the opportunity. You know what I'm saying? Like, just if you can close it out with a. With a quick play, with one time with a play. Let's do it.

[A]

Yeah. The things I liked about this game is the, the options that they gave, you know, they. They let Rogers have. Have more control, especially with that run pass option. If you don't like what he see, he go ahead and dip it out. That's nothing but a short run anyway. And plus, you know, you get. You get yards after the catch. Hopefully the offensive line still, they block better, you know, but, you know, they still. They still need to do a little bit better. DK of course, involved early. That is a key. You got to get him involved early. Steelers defense played the run better. Dude, they pressured the quarterback. They got six sacks. I think four, three or four were on third down. They were just situationally better in that. I loved it. The other side, you know, things we can, we can get better at is just protecting Rogers better as a defense. We're giving up too many yards. You know, at some point the, the, you know, the bending, you know, you've been, you been too much. At some point you, yeah, you're gonna make it a little too weak. It's gonna start snapping, you know.

[B]

No, for sure.

[A]

I think, I think, I don't know, good or bad that we're going to start to live and die by the blitz, though. Like, that's something that I saw. Like we were getting a lot of guys up to the line and blitzing to try and, you know, slow down the run to, to put pressure on him for the pass. It was a couple situations where they caught us in blitzes and, you know, they ended up getting, getting yardage because he was able to see it and get the ball away in time.

[B]

I think I, I, I definitely know what you're saying. I mean, everything you were saying with the, I'm liking what I'm seeing. The running game, the run, the defensive run game was a whole lot better with the blitz in part two. My only thing is, as long as we don't have people running scot free, like if there's catch and tackles, if there's blitz, there's going to be little windows where people are going to be able to make plays. Catch the ball, tackle. If there's people running scot free through our defense, that's just the only thing that I don't like. We don't need those big miscues, those big explosive plays. If we could just keep those down, you know what I'm saying? Everything else will be fine. Catching tackles going to happen. Blitzing to stop the run, blitzing to put more pressure. That's going to happen. Bang, bang plays, catch and tackle. But when people are running through our defense wide open and nobody's there, that's just the, that's just the thing that's going to mess it all the way up. So the bim but don't break is always kind of going to be what we're going to do. Make plays. Being able to create turnovers, punching the balls out, being real, you know, Elliot making picks, TJ making picks. We're always opportunistic. Strip sack, fumbles, getting after the quarterback, six, seven sacks this game, you know what I'm saying? So I think that is something that we're going to still be able to do, but eliminating people running down your defense, these are going to be like 30 yard plays, 40 yard plays. If you take down those, like we're having two or three a game, that's 60, 70 yards, you know what I'm saying?

[A]

Per.

[B]

If you just knock off three plays, you know what I'm saying? People running through our defense so that, that your defense would be so much better and it won't look as bad and everything is kind of flowing when you don't give up chunk plays.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. But, you know, I think that was part of what, you know, Cam had said last week, know when he was. When he was talking, actually when we, when we talked about too, with the other man, TJ, that third quarter, that third quarter interception, he had made him only the seventh player to have 100 sacks and eight interceptions in a career. All time. The other six, they all in the hall of Fame, baby. Oh, Taylor, Richard Dental, Chris Dolman, Jason Taylor, Julius Peppers, Ricky Jackson, no question.

[B]

And that's, that's just.

[A]

That's elite company, that offensive man, the Yak monster. Five yards attempt, buddy. They say, whoa, distillers only average five yards per attempt in the air. That's the fewest. But guess, guess who lead the league in yards after the catch. Yak Stillers.

[B]

Yeah, because, you know, you getting into DK and you getting it to Jared Warren. Warren getting up, up out of there after like, I think him and like Gibbs, you know, I'm saying those running backs that just get the ball hands like you can give them a little screen. Any of those quick passes, those are extended runs, right? Those are like.

[A]

No, right.

[B]

But once he get missing that 20 yards, that's gonna count all that.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. So, all in all, I'm. I'm extremely, extremely happy as you can see about my. My guys win again. I gotta. I gotta go, you know, do me another cigar. I mean, it's. I'm gonna mess around if I get cancer. I'm gonna put that on the Stella, you know, y'. All. Y' all winning too much, baby.

[B]

Yeah. Got you hitting them good stuff. Yeah.

[A]

Let's get on over here to, to you. To. To your browns, man.

[B]

God.

[A]

30 fold to 10. What? Joe. Joe, what happened.

[B]

Man? So, I mean, it was. It wasn't. It wasn't a good showing. It wasn't a good showing. First Drive was amazing. Everything looked good. Flacco was doing what he needed to do, but I'm just not, I'm not a fan of Flacco anymore. I'm wanting us to do like, I mean, even if it's Dylan Gabriel, even if it's Dylan Gabriel or Shador Sanders, something kind of has to shake because I just don't think that he's given us a chance to win anymore. Like, we understand the vet that's going to come through and be consistent, but if you're giving us zero touchdowns and two interceptions, that's not that you're, you're hurting us more than you're, you're not, you're not, you're not just steadying the ship, you're hurting us. You know what I'm saying? Like, I can see I can put somebody else, some, I can do bad all by myself. So I could put somebody else in that can do different than this. Like, give us a spark, give us something. I don't care if it's your door, I don't care if it's Dylan. But for the Browns now I'm just over Flacco and the first drive, it was amazing. He shows me that he can make plays to Judy, the touch pass and all that. But then like the picks, the pick before, like it's a miscommunication. Why are you just launching the ball and throwing it over there? Like, that's not a good play, that's a bad play. When we're trying to play against the Lions and beat them, we're not going to win. We're not with that type of football. So I'm just kind of good on our defense. You put us in bad situations. They can only fight for so long, you know what I'm saying? If you keep putting us in bad situations and not, not in positions to win. I love our defense. They might not have played the best.

[A]

But you got to realize too, I think on maybe three of the scores that they had, I think maybe two touchdowns and one field goal, they were already in, in your area, in your, in your territory, like it was. They're already on the other side. I think it's like 35, 40, even closer on, on, on one of them.

[B]

Like on my man DJ Reed's pick, he almost picked 60. He went out like the three yard line.

[A]

You know, you can't, you, like you said, he's hurting the defense. If the defense isn't on the field to even try and stop him. Special teams didn't help either, you know, I mean, when you look at it, what is it you looking at? 7, 7, 7, 21. You're looking at 24 points that was scored while the defense was either at a disadvantage or not even on the field. Like, you can't.

[B]

So that's why I, I can't literally, I can't blame it on and say, no. The Browns defense are playing bad. They gave up 34 points. Let's look how they gave up the 34 points. Let's look at how far they had to travel to get these touchdowns. And look who they're playing against. They going against no bums. Amarante Brown, they're running great pick plays. Like on the thing they're making. They're making them fight for what they get. So Lions went out there, played. The Lions are a great team. So you're not going to beat them. If you're beating yourself when you don't have a good offense, putting your defense in a bad position, that's not going. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

So, like.

[B]

Yeah, and even when you look at.

[A]

Them, dude, like you said, the defense didn't play bad. Yes, they gave up points, but they're, They're. They're working with a short field like in, you know, three, four, those three of those situations. The fourth one, they didn't even get to touch the field and they still only gave up like 275 yards or something. Like 280 yards, brother.

[B]

In the first half. In the first half, the Lions went three and out. First drive, punt. The second drive, they scored. They went down the field. Did they thing? Third drive, they had a field goal and then punt, punt. And then they got the ball on the one yard line from the pick, I mean, three yard line from the pick by DJ Reed, and they ended up getting the. They scored on like fourth down. So the Browns defense, at the end of the day, they were performing at a high level, but you can't be backed up and be at the 13 yard line now and expect to, you know what I'm saying, do everything you're supposed to do. So I think that I, I just don't. I think it's a time for us to switch at quarterback for the Browns. Just give us a spark, do something. Something different. I'm Shador. But if Dylan Gabriel is number two and he's number three, I don't care. Put somebody else out there. Let's see what they can do.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think it's like you said, you got to go to the two. You can't just jump to the three, but I think now, you know what I'm saying? Like. Like everybody wants to see Shador. I understand that. But they. They can't just jump from the. They want to they three, you know what I'm saying? They got it. They gotta. They got a process that they were, you know, you know, need to go through.

[B]

I just emotional.

[A]

Yeah. You. You very. You very emotional. You know, for a guy whose team won.

[B]

I was. I'm emotional because it's still as they did. Did you hear my first. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I heard you say a lot of things, man. You be double talking, man. Let's get over here to Baltimore, man. I know you happy about that, man. Are you happy about that Baltimore Kansas City game?

[B]

You know what though? At the end of the day, I am happy that the ra. You know, if the Ravens are losing, you know, right now, especially when we want the still isn't Browns and in our division. I just feel bad for Lamar because he's now. I mean that once he went out the game, obviously they didn't have a chance.

[A]

Yeah, that wasn't till late, though. But I mean, even when.

[B]

I know. But I'm saying it's still, still, still even with him in there. The Ravens team is not. The defense is terrible. The defense is playing terrible and they're getting injuries. The best player that was balling out there is my man, the corner Wiggins, and he just went down and got hurt. Lamar Jackson with a hamstring injury. There's just so many guys out there that are hurt and are. I don't think they're. They're performing that way. Oh, they aren't so on the defensive side of the ball.

[A]

Right, right. I mean, they came out that first drive and they, you know, look like they was about to do their thing. You know, looked like it was little resistance went down there and I'm like, okay. And then Kansas City proceeds to do what 20 unanswered the next possession. They get a field goal. They still get. The only reason they get a field goal is because in that drive they had a couple drops for passes that dudes, you know, they could have. They could have actually, you know, held on to and continued to drive. Mario, he gets his first pick again. Kansas City, they go another. I think it's 12, 13 plays, get another field goal, then five plays a touchdown, you know, I don't know.

[B]

Kansas City is their drive. They only. They had two. Their first two drives with field goals, and after that it was just. It was TDs oh, no question it was.

[A]

And then the Ravens went forward on fourth down, don't get it. They turn it over on downs, they give Kansas City the short field. Six plays later, we got another tutty.

[B]

Going for it on fourth down, too. But he. And he threw the ball away on fourth down like that. Like that. That. These are things I'm not getting. You don't have a. It's fourth down. You gotta give somebody a chance.

[A]

You don't do nothing but throw that thing all the way to the back at the safety. Give yourself an opportunity to get more field, something, something.

[B]

Make it. Make it a punt. Like, throw it deep, deep. You know what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day, the ball from that right there, you know what I'm saying? So nothing worse can happen than pick six in it, but, like, throw it deep, high something. Yeah, give somebody.

[A]

Somebody gonna be one of them. DB's gonna be thirsty and try and grab on to that thing for sure. Not realizing you just went ahead, did a. Did an interception, punt, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

I'm gonna pick that. I'm gonna pick that 1000.

[A]

No question.

[B]

No DB's gonna be. Nobody gonna bat that boy.

[A]

Yeah. Then after they do the six play touchdown drive, Lamar, he fumbles the rock. But they got a break.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Kansas City missed a field goal. So they went on ahead. They actually, you know, took advantage of that one. They went ahead and made it 10, 20 then.

[B]

But they first drive was good when they scored, and then their last drive going into the halftime, they got a field. Those are the two best that they got right there.

[A]

Yeah. And then. Then the second half was just basically more of the same, you know, with Kansas City, I think the Ravens got. Got a field goal early there, and then from there, Lamar ended up.

[B]

Kansas City came out. Kansas City came out at halftime and scored.

[A]

Yeah, it was, like I said, it was more of the same, you know, from the first half, but Lamar, once Lamar got hurt, you know, that was. That was really it, man.

[B]

When they put Rush in and he did the same thing, he looked like he was scared as hell out there. His first series that he did, you saw, he threw. He threw the ball away on fourth down, too.

[A]

Oh, he threw it all the way away.

[B]

Yeah, I'm like, Brody, he thought he.

[A]

Had another down or something. I don't know what that was.

[B]

Yeah, because then he stood there like. Like it was a fifth down. I'm like, no, go to the sideline, you're out. You know what? I'M saying, like, you just wild out. He's standing there like, like it's fifth down. I'm like, what are you doing? I mean, you were nervous out there.

[A]

Yeah. The Ravens, they got, they, they, they got some. Now you got Lamar hurt, which was the only thing that really kept you in the fight in any of these games. Because the defense is trash. Okay. And now that they missing six starters, they super trash.

[B]

Okay, bro.

[A]

Like, the offense, I don't. They made like they, they, they couldn't even run the ball no more. Like they only handed the ball. They only ran the ball a total of 10 times in the first half, bro. And five of those was Lamar. Yeah.

[B]

That I couldn't. They said they, they gave us that where in the first and like the last eight quarters. It was during, like the second quarter of that game. Derrick Henry only carried the ball like eight times. Eight to ten times in the last six quarters. Like a lot of that time they were down, so you know that I understand.

[A]

But a lot of the time that they were down, they had a lot of time to try and come back. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't like they were.

[B]

I'm with you. I'm saying I don't think they need to. They need to use him.

[A]

Oh, yeah, I know he's fumbling. If you're not going to use him and you're just going to do what you've been doing, you might as well let that man go cutting do. Cause you ain't using him. You're paying him a whole bunch of money. Like, we gonna have to work through this. He gonna have to, you know, he gonna have to figure this whole ball security thing out. Like, we can't have you sitting on the sideline and not know what you can do. We just need you to hold on to the rock.

[B]

Yeah. The worst thing that could have possibly happened though to the Ravens was only reason why anything is still going semi possible good is because of Lamar Jackson. They do have him on the team and they know that he can be able to try to make things shake. If he's hurt, he's hurt. For how long is he up?

[A]

That's that hamstring. You know, you come back too early, you ain't nothing but one too hard of a takeoff trying to, you know, open up away from pulling that thing again. So how long do they let him sit out? Till he a hundred, till he 80, till he 85, till he 90. Like what you do. He's a running quarterback, so you're Going to have to make sure you get him as healthy as possible because if you go out there and you re injure something that's already injured, you know it's going to be worse. It's gonna be longer.

[B]

Oh, for sure. I mean look, that is, is his interest is making sure that he's healthy and returns at 100% so he can always. He has a long career left and he wants to be able to play as long as he can. And then it's going to be what is the Ravens interest? Because you got my man Rush out there looking like he doesn't know what the hell he's doing. So they gonna be like if we gonna keep, if we gonna be losing games until Lamar, like we need you back quick. Because from my perspective, it doesn't look too good for the Ravens. It doesn't look like the defense, they're continuing to lose players and they're just not playing well. So if they lose Lamar and their defense is not playing well, they lose. They're continuing to lose better players like Wiggins. It's not, there's no, I don't see a plan for them to get any better right now. So from our last question that we had about Is their window closing? Yes. Well, now the window is definitely closing. It's looking crazy like they're not getting healthier. The players that you do there aren't.

[A]

Performing and even when they were there, the defense was still doing some boo boo man, you got Lamar, he done suffered the hamstring. You know. Baltimore is 1 and 3 for the first time since 2015. Two games behind. Guess who must still is in the AFC are still a star. I keep saying mine. I'm sorry about that, man. Our Steelers. I got you. We, we, we we we. The defense, the Ravens defense is allowing 33.3 points per game. Dude, that's the worst in the NFL right now, bro.

[B]

You can't win like that.

[A]

Like, like what's your move? What's your move? What's your next move? Like what are you going to do over there, Harbaugh? What you gonna do? You hardball, tell me what you gonna do if.

[B]

I, I, I don't know. That's why they, it doesn't look, I don't know the answer. I don't know the answer, Sway. I don't know because like yeah, that's what he getting paid the big bucks but like health wise you just gotta have, I mean they're not making tackles. Like it just doesn't look like good brand. All you Know what I'm saying? Like are people in the right positions? People are missing tackles, people are blowing coverages. Like I mean that, that's a, that's.

[A]

A, that's a Kansas City. Now they, they also got, they got, they got Xavier Worthy back now. They got the, and they had their biggest scoring day in more than two years, man. Is it, you think, you think KC back?

[B]

This is what they never left.

[A]

I think they just needed, they never.

[B]

They, they ain't going nowhere. You got Patty Mahomes, he's standing upright with Andy Reid, you know what I'm saying? They got Chris Jones on defense, my man 22 on the corner is balling. They have a good defense, you know what I'm saying? They may not be the, one of the best in the league, but they're very, very opportunistic, you know what I'm saying? They're not just people running scot free. So them playing them, them playing you, you. When you had Patrick Mahomes and we want him to be throwing for 400 yards, five touchdowns, what he normally does, this is just execution, this great quarterback play. Being able to get everybody involved, Thor Hill, being able to throw it to your running backs, being able to get it to Travis Kelsey, being able to, being able to use your run game even if it's not effective, being able to still make sure you can lean on it, hand, hand the ball off. So sometimes there is one on one coverages back there. So I think that the Chiefs, they, they've been in, they've been playing football for so long. Patrick Mahomes is such a great quarterback that he's not worried about it. They're trying to get their team together. He's going to get everybody involved. They didn't have a lot of their rice still isn't there. They lost worthy first game of the season. So they still just trying to plucking play and figure it out. But they know it's a long season and as long as Travis, I mean as long as Patrick Mahomes is healthy, they're always going to have a chance. So them just being able to show like him still being able to get it to all these receivers, guys getting back into the group juju, you know what I'm saying? Being like just having a good quarterback like that and having comparable receivers, everybody.

[A]

Has to catch the ball. I don't, I don't care how, you know how, how great they are at doing everything else. As long as they could catch the ball, he's going to get it to Him. They secure that ball, he's going to get it to him. Like, it. I. It's. It's. It's almost like a, you know, like. Like a Tom Brady, you know what I'm saying? Where you get the receiver, as long as he can catch, you're going to be able to move around. It don't matter.

[B]

And the one thing I said, and the thing, too, with them was they were still. They were trying to get the run game going a little bit for him. They were handing it to Pacheco, giving it to Hunt, you know what I'm saying? Like, they might not have been getting the most yards, but just still got.

[A]

To keep them honest. You can't have them sitting there, back, you know. You know, they got a few runs here and there that made them be like, okay, they'll run the ball. So we got to make sure that, you know, we're not sitting here just taking off upfield, leaving wide open running lanes, you know, leaving vertical holes that people can slide through.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, the Chiefs, man, they just have a full. They have a. They have a good team. They've been here before, you know what I'm saying? They're. They're. They're tried and tested. They've been deep in the playoff runs. They made real runs. They know what it takes to win. They know how long the season is. So I just love seeing them just knowing it's early. We still trying to get better. They're getting better. They're going in the trajectory of this, getting players back, people not getting hurt. You know what I'm saying? People returning, not just people going away. So I think that their trajectory is going up. When you're looking at the Ravens, the opposite. Just people going down, defense not playing too well. It's not looking good on that side. But on the Chiefs, just being able to get right, being able to just, you know, saying, work, work while the season's gone.

[A]

Speaking of work, we ain't had no defense out there with. With Green Bay and Dallas, man.

[B]

No, sir.

[A]

40 to 40 tie.

[B]

That's.

[A]

That's like. That's worse. Like, I mean, I understand they don't want guys playing, you know, long and deep. Yeah, all that extra. And especially, you know, when it's a regular season game, you know, you don't have the same rules in the playoffs, but a tie is, like, going out there, and you just did all that for nothing. Like, I want give me a loss or a win. Like, we got to figure out a way. Don't College, like shorten the field and have you at like the 20 or something.

[B]

Yeah, at the 20.

[A]

Let's do that for, you know, whatever that time frame is or until somebody don't score a touchdown, like, or a field goal.

[B]

You know, I like some, some. When you walk in a stadium, you. You plan to walk out with the did I win or did I lose? You know what I'm saying? I'm definitely.

[A]

You know what's so crazy though?

[B]

It's 20, 25.

[A]

I feel like. I feel like Dallas thought they won because it was a tie. I swear, dude, like, that's what I felt like, man. I knew, I knew Dallas, you know, they wasn't go play no defense. I didn't know Green Bay wasn't gonna show up. They supposed to be a top 10 defense. I believe they number eight. They only giving up about 280 yards, 285 yards a game, 75 rushing, another 205 passing. And you let Dallas go out here for 117 rushing, almost 320 passing. You gave up almost 500 yards of total offense. And that bust your head. 31 of 43 tugs only got sacked once. Three hundred and nineteen yards. He did the whole total of which I'll give up in passing by itself.

[B]

Oh, yeah. That kind of field day. That kind of field day. He went crazy. And my man shout out George Pickens.

[A]

Oh, no question. We already knew what that was, though.

[B]

Oh, he woke up and he had to slide into the number one since CD went. So, you know, he was going to get them options. He was going to get a lot more opportunities. And that dude is a number one. He showed that he could do it sometimes, you know, it's just a little bit. He had a little dropsy sometimes, but that game right there, he spazzed and he showed how. How he can ball. I was a little. I was definitely surprised with the packers defense. Them dudes, they've been getting after people.

[A]

Listen, they've been getting after people. I'll. I'll give them that. But since that rookie ran his mouth talking about an undefeated season, they ain't defeated nobody. Okay, now you let Dallas do this while they missing two of their starting linemen and they receiver.

[B]

No CD and put up a 40 piece on you is actually crazy. And they. And I know they was geek too. Michael Parsons didn't get no.

[A]

You got one sack overtime. Ah, got one second overtime, but too little too late. Like, I mean, if he didn't get it, I think Dak would have scored though. He'd have scored that touchdown though. But, oh, he needed, I don't, Yeah, I don't know what, what's, what's going on over there in Green Bay with, with the defensive side of the ball. I understand Dallas, that's just what they go do, you know, they're, they're dead last, I think, in defense now. It's understandable. I think they, I think they might average giving up over 420 yards a game, something like that. So. Yeah, I, I just didn't see. I, I, I just didn't see. I just didn't see this happening with, with the defense not just not showing up at all.

[B]

I expected, I mean, I don't, I, I, I expected the Cowboys defense to probably give up a lot of points. I would not expect the packers defense to give up this many points.

[A]

Hey, I thought it was going to be a thing where they just couldn't keep up with the, with the packers, you know, scoring, you know what I'm saying? Because, nope, that wasn't the case.

[B]

That went out there and hooped only like, like you said, eight incomplete passes, man, that was amazing. And George was getting off.

[A]

Yeah, it's out of control though. Dallas giving up over 420 yards a game, bro.

[B]

Yeah, that's not, that's not gonna win games. And I think in this, in the second is big plays, it's huge plays.

[A]

And I think Green Bay gave up more yardage than Dallas this game, bro. The Green Bay gave up like 4, 489, something like that, like, and I think Dallas gave up like maybe 430something. I mean, they gave up a little above the average, but you know, they was on cue. We knew what they was gonna do.

[B]

I just think that I, when I, when I look at, yeah, they had, they, they still gave up a bunch of yards, but when I look at Dallas's defense, I just need to, I just don't see, I don't see effort, which is what, what makes me feel like, you know what I'm saying? I think maybe with the, with the, with the packers is the effort maybe be there. You know what I'm saying? They just got to do that just was a bad game. I just see when I look at Dallas, I just don't see like a, they're flying to the ball like they wanna, like they want to hit somebody, if you know what I'm saying.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. I guess I was wrong, buddy. They gave up for Dallas, gave up the 49. Green Bay, gave up the 436 correction. Yeah, correction.

[B]

Yeah, that's about, that's 500.

[A]

Yeah, they gave away more than the average. But two dude, Green Bay gave up almost 150, 170 yards more like that's, that's out of control to Dallas of all people. Like come on man.

[B]

Without that number.

[A]

Without almost half your starting online and cd.

[B]

Yeah, we gonna see what's going on with them. They got to do better. But you know we gonna talk about too what you got The Giants. Okay, how you feel about the Giants beating the Charger? Well, the Giants beat the Chargers and Malik neighbors towards acl.

[A]

Yeah, that was, that, that was bad. That. Yeah, the Giants. What do you listen? I think it was another one of them situations where you know the other team coming in there, I believe they was playing at home, you know and then you thinking you go get something that you don't get. The rookies first game starting, they thinking it's gonna be a cakewalk and they ain't realized that. This boy came out Mahomes, he's standing.

[B]

Upright with Andy Reid, you know what I'm saying? They got Chris Jones on defense, my man 22 on the corner is balling. They have a good defense, you know what I'm saying? They may not be the one of the best in the league, but they're very, very opportunistic, you know what I'm saying? They're not just people running scot free. So them playing them, them playing you, you. When you have Patrick Mahomes and we want him to be throwing for 400 yards, five touchdowns, what he normally does, this is just execution. This is just great quarterback play. Being able to get everybody involved. Thor Hill, being able to throw it to your running backs, being able to get it to Travis Kelce, being able to, being able to, to use your run game even if it's not effective, being able to still make sure you can lean on it, hand, hand the ball off. So sometimes there is one on one coverages back there. So I think that Che, the Chiefs, they, they've been in, they've been playing football for so long. Patrick Mahomes is such a great quarterback that he's not worried about it. They're trying to get their team together. He's going to get everybody involved. They didn't have a lot of their rice still isn't there. They lost worthy first game of the season. So they still just trying to plucking play and figure it out. But they know it's a long season and as long as Travis, I mean as Long as Patrick Mahomes is healthy, they're always going to have a chance. So them just being able to show, like him still being able to get it to all these receivers, guys getting back into the group juju, you know what I'm saying? Being, like, just having a good quarterback like that and having comparable receivers that.

[A]

Can make receivers, I don't, I don't care how, you know, how, how great they are at doing everything else. As long as they could catch the ball, he's going to get it to him. They secure that ball, he's going to get it to him. Like, it. I, it's, it's. It's almost like a, you know, like, like a Tom Brady, you know what I'm saying? Where you get the receiver, as long as he can catch, you're going to be able to move around. It don't matter.

[B]

And the one thing I said, and the thing too with them was they were still. They were trying to get the run game going a little bit for them. They were handed it to Pacheco, giving it to Hunt, you know what I'm saying? Like, they might not have been getting the most yards, but just still, you.

[A]

Gotta keep them honest. You can't have them sitting there pinning their ears back, you know. You know, they got a few runs here and there that made them be like, okay, they'll run the ball. So we got to make sure that, you know, we're not sitting here just taking off upfield, leaving wide open, running lanes, you know, leaving vertical holes that people can slide through.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, the Chiefs, man, they just have a full. They have a. They have a good team. They've been here before, you know what I'm saying? They're, they're, they're tried and tested. They've been deep in the playoff runs. They made real runs. They know what it takes to win. They know how long the season is. So I just love seeing them just knowing it's early. We still trying to get better. They're getting better. They're going in the trajectory of this, getting players back, people not getting hurt. You know what I'm saying? People returning, not just people going away. So I think that their trajectory is going up. When you're looking at the Ravens, the opposite. Just people going down, defense not playing too well. It's not looking good on that side, but on the Chiefs, just being able to get right, being able to just. You know what I'm saying? Work, work while the season's gone.

[A]

Speaking of work, we had no defense out there with. With Green Bay and Dallas, man.

[B]

No, sir.

[A]

40 to 40, tied.

[B]

That's.

[A]

That's like. That's worth.

[B]

Man. What's good with the tie?

[A]

Like, I mean, I understand they don't want guys playing, you know, long and deep. Yeah. All that extra. And especially, you know, when it's a regular season game, you know, you don't have the same rules in the playoffs, but a tie is like going out there. And you just did all that for nothing. Like, I wanna give me a loss or a win. Like, we gotta figure out a way. Don't college, like shorten the field and have you at like the 20 or something.

[B]

Yeah, at the 20. Let's do.

[A]

Let's do that for, you know, whatever that time frame is or until somebody don't score a touchdown, like, Or a field goal. Yeah, you know, I like.

[B]

So when you walk in a stadium, you what you plan to walk out with the. Did I win or did I lose? You know what I'm saying? I'm definitely.

[A]

You know what's so crazy though?

[B]

It's 20, 25.

[A]

I feel like Dallas thought they won because it was a tie. I swear, dude, like, that's what I felt like, man. I knew. I knew Dallas, you know, they wasn't gonna play no defense. I didn't know Green Bay wasn't gonna show up. They supposed to be a top 10 defense. I believe they number eight. They only giving up about 280 yards, 285 yards a game, 75 rushing, another 205 passing. And you let Dallas go out here for 117 rushing, almost 320 passing. You gave up almost 500 yards of total offense. And that bust your head. 31 of 43 tugs only got sacked once. 319 yards. He did the whole total of which I'll give up in passing by itself.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Dak had a field day. That kind of field day. He went crazy. And my man shout out George Pickens.

[A]

Oh, no question. We already knew what that was, though.

[B]

Oh, he woke up and he had to slide into the number one since CD went. So, you know, he was going to get them options. He was going to get a lot more opportunities. And that dude is a number one. He showed that he could do it sometimes, you know, it's just a little bit of. He had a little dropsy sometimes. But that game right there, he spazzed and he showed how. How he can ball. I was a little. I was definitely surprised with the packers defense, though. Them dudes, they've Been getting after people.

[A]

Listen, they've been getting after people. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll give them that. But since that rookie ran his mouth talking about an undefeated season, they ain't defeated nobody. Okay? Now you let Dallas do this while they missing two of their starting linemen and they receiver.

[B]

No CD and put up a 40 piece on you is actually crazy. And they, and I know they was geek too. Michael Parsons didn't get no, he got one sack overtime.

[A]

Ah, got one sack in overtime, but too little too late. Like, I mean, if he didn't get it, I think Dak would have scored though. He scored that touchdown though.

[B]

But, oh, he needed.

[A]

I don't, Yeah, I, I don't know what, what's, what's going on over there in Green Bay with, with, with, with the defensive side of the ball. I understand Dallas. That's just what they go do, you know, they're, they're dead last, I think in defense now.

[B]

It's, understand 40 is a lot.

[A]

It's, it's, it's understandable. I think they, I think they might average giving up over 420 yards a game, something like that. So. Yeah, I, I just didn't see. I, I, I just didn't see. I just didn't see this happening with, with the defense not just not showing up at all.

[B]

I expected, I mean, I, I expected the Cowboys defense to probably give up a lot of points. I was not expecting the packers defense to give up this many points.

[A]

Hey, I thought it was going to be a thing where they just couldn't keep up with the, with the packers, you know, scoring, you know what I'm saying? Because, nope, that, that wasn't the case.

[B]

That, that went out there and hooped. He only, only likes, like you said, eight incomplete passes. Man, that, that was a, that was amazing. And George was getting off.

[A]

Yeah, it's out of control though. Dallas giving up over 420 yards a game, bro.

[B]

Yeah, that's not, that's not going to win games. And I think in this, in the second is big plays, is huge plays.

[A]

And I think Green Bay gave up more Dallas this game, bro. The Green Bay gave up like 4, 489, something like that. Like, and I think Dallas gave up like maybe 430something. I mean they gave up a little above the average, but you know, they was on cue. We knew what they was gonna do.

[B]

I just think that I, when I, when I look at, yeah, they had, they, they still gave a bunch of Yards. But when I look at Dallas's defense, I just need to. I just don't see. I don't see effort, which is what. What makes me feel like, you know what I'm saying? I think maybe with the, with the. With the packers is the effort, maybe be there. You know what I'm saying? They just got to do that just was a bad game. I just see when I look at Dallas, I just don't see like a. They're flying to the ball like they wanna. Like they want to hit somebody, if you know what I'm saying.

[A]

Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. I guess I was wrong, buddy. They gave up four. Dallas gave up the 489. Green Bay gave up the 436. Correction. Yeah, correction.

[B]

Yeah, that's about. That's 500.

[A]

Yeah, they gave away more than the average. But, dude, Green Bay gave up almost 150, 170 yards more. Like that's. That's out of control to Dallas, of all people. Like, come on, man.

[B]

Without that number, without almost half, you're.

[A]

Starting online and cd.

[B]

Yeah, we gonna see what's going on with them. They got to do better. But, you know, we're going to talk.

[A]

About too, what you got.

[B]

The Giants.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

How you feel about the Giants beating the Charger? Well, the Giants beat the Chargers and Malik neighbors towards acl.

[A]

Yeah, that was. That. That was bad. That. Yeah, the Giants. What do you. Listen, I think it was another one of them situations where, you know, the other team coming in there, I believe they was playing at home, you know, and then you thinking you go get something that you don't get. The rookies, first game starting, they thinking it's gonna be a cakewalk. And they ain't realized that this boy came out, go ahead and give everybody the juke jerk and all the other stuff and. And they're not. They're not set up like that. But I think he'll do decent. I think you got to give him, you know, a year or two, maybe, maybe three, to actually be able to, you know, get used to it, spread his wings and keep going. But from what. What I just saw, I think he's going to be all right. I don't. I don't. And I'm not saying he's about to go out here and. And, you know, tear the league up, but I think. I think he'll be all right. Middle of the pack.

[B]

He was giving me Bo Nicks vibes a little bit, man. I'm not gonna lie. And not. And that's not A bad thing because Bo Nicks has been doing good for the Broncos and nobody really expected him to be what he is. And they're winning games, and I'm not mad at him at all. So from Jackson dart, he was giving me a little. Little bit of bow next to what he first did. Hey, he first came in, nobody really knew what to expect. And use his legs being able to not mess it up. Don't turn the ball over. You know what I'm saying? Extend some plays. So it looked good. It looked good.

[A]

Yeah. Let's go down south, man. Tampa and Philly 31, 25. That game was not really as close as the score says, I think. I think the Eagles just basically dominated the first half, come out and special teams start off what they did last week. They block a punt and run it in, you know, for a touchdown like that. That started the game off like that. That's. That's. Yeah, that's not what you're looking for, man. And something else, too. Was like Phillies, like actual first possession, dude, it was like six, seven pass plays. I think it was only one run and they scored the touchdown. It's 14. Nothing like Tampa Bay, you know, if they didn't get the 15 yard personal file, the next thing you know, that. That. That's what allowed them to score the field goal that they got like that next possession. So I think it's, you know, back and forth. They start. Start doing a little punt here, but again, the punt dude does is short. He basically shanks the punt and he gives him a short field. They come out pass heavy again, letting y' all know, like, yo, Hearst can do this. We. He, he that. He. He that dude, you know, 213 immediately, you know what I'm saying?

[B]

The Eagles, bro, they. That's. That's what I'm saying. When you don't have to get that many, it doesn't matter how you're scoring. It doesn't matter. It might not look too good. The stats might not be as big, but you have 213 and you ain't really did nothing. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's not. Jalen hurts is bad. That's not. Nobody's bad. That's just a good team. I'd be up 21 3. It don't matter what the.

[A]

Ended up going, what, 20, 24 to 3. Philly ended up coming back out like 14 play drive, ended up settling for a field goal. But again, like, that's like they're basically in control from the jump. It Wasn't really anything that Tampa had did in the first half except for kick a 65 yard field goal to make it like 6 to 24. And hell, the first half, dude, Hurts was. I think he only missed one pass. He only. They only had one incompletion. Tampa only had 100 yards off no 99 yards of offense, bro. They had 99 yards of offense. Like the first half was just. I think it was. It just came down to being too much for them to. To overcome the Tampa's. I'm not Tampa, but Phillies defense, dude, they contested everything. They was tackling everything. Shoring up tackles. Dude, catch the ball. Boom. You know, they. They tackle them as soon as they get it. That whole, that whole like it was. I'm like, wow, they ain't gonna be a dang getting no yacht. They ain't gonna get nothing out there.

[B]

Yep. No, that's the Eagles. That's the Eagles defense. They play with passion. They swarmed to the ball. They was able to get after. So like that's, that's. They're great. They're good. They're a good team. And like when, like when he threw for two touchdowns. 15 for 24. My man Jalen Hurts. Two touchdowns, zero picks. It's not going to wow you. It's not going to wow anybody. But you know it's going to wow is when they win the game and they're able to walk out of the stadium again like continuing to win. So it may not be that impressive. And I think that's why at the end of the day too. When eight. How do you so. So let's get the Eagles win all that. A.J. brown at the end of the day with his tweets. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

I don't understand that tweet. I don't know what it means. What is it in reference to?

[B]

It's. I feel like what say if you're not welcome, not listen to. Quietly withdraw. Don't make a scene, shrug your shoulders and be on your way. He's trying to basically say like for me reading it in, he's trying to say he's feeling not welcome, not listened to. He wants the ball. But if nobody's listening to him, he's just shrugging his shoulders and he's going about his way. But I'm like, that's just. It's a receiver that wants to get the ball and wants to. It's a receiver that wants the ball, period.

[A]

Well, I mean, you're not really doing that if that's why you tweeting it out? You're actually telling everybody. You're not just shrugging your shoulders and walking away. You're right.

[B]

I know, I know. You're making a scene by tweeting it out. If you weren't, just say anything and you could just do this, like, after the. At. At the end of the year. Anything you tweet is going to. That's basically you saying you just contradicted everything.

[A]

Everything you said contradicted what you were saying, like, or what you was thinking. I don't know. It's a contradiction.

[B]

It's a thing. Debo. You know how. I mean, you just. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. So when we was like, you just. When you playing and you feel you want to get. I don't know. This isn't the right way to do it, but it's just like the players. When you do tweet something about this, you know exactly what you're doing.

[A]

Yeah, everybody's gonna talk about it, and then you go tweet at Twitter. That's not. I don't. That's not you sitting back and just doing nothing, man. Speaking of frustration, man, Cam Ward, he. He, he.

[B]

Hey, he kept it a bean, didn't he, dude?

[A]

All the way of being, dude. He was a little frustrated, man. You think he was too honest? Like, do you think. Let's take a listen to it so you can hear exactly what he said, man. I mean, we keeping a buck right now.

[B]

We ass.

[A]

So we owing four.

[B]

We have at this point, we got nothing to lose. We dropped a quarter of our games.

[A]

And we've yet to do anything.

[B]

So we have to lock in, especially myself on the offensive line, from the defensive line, from the special teams to all three faces. We have to play together. We have not played together this year yet. And that's just something that, you know, we want to preach about it every day. Every day we got to do better.

[A]

And we're doing that.

[B]

But it has to show up on Sundays. It hasn't showed up yet, but it got to show up next week.

[A]

What do you think, Joe?

[B]

Hey, bro, this all I'm going to say. He kept that shit 1000. If you want to ask him how he feels on that in a particular moment, I really feels like he felt that way 100%. We playing like ass. And I'm the quarterback of this team. I'm like ass. So offensive line, defensive line, we preach this. Like, we got to play to a certain standard and we want to be good, but, like, End of the day, I'm not mad at him for saying this, but sometimes you got to get.

[A]

It off your Twitter. He said a lie right there. No, he's sitting back in front of you right there. I'm gonna let you get it. This is what it is. This is how I feel. I ain't gonna throw out no cryptics and all that. This is what it is. We're playing like playing. I'm playing like try. Everybody need to get this together. We asked and something got to be done. We need to get it done. I have absolutely lost.

[B]

We lost a quarter of our day. We lost a quarter of our games.

[A]

Ready? Ready. Have zero problems with that. Look here, man. We want to thank y' all for joining us. We got to get out of here. We. We're out of time. We don't ran a little over them now. Thank you for joining us. Listen, make sure. Make sure you hit the like and subscribe button.

[B]

Joseph, please, please, please make sure you like and subscribe. We cannot do it without you guys, man. Appreciate y'. All. See you Tomorrow live at 11:00am let's get it.

[A]

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