Super Bowl LX Radio Row Day 2: Part 2 - Emmitt Smith joins! + Seahawks vs. Patriots Predictions!

Summary

Club Shay Shay Podcast Summary

Episode: Super Bowl LX Radio Row Day 2: Part 2 – Emmitt Smith joins! + Seahawks vs. Patriots Predictions!
Date: February 5, 2026
Host: Shannon Sharpe with co-hosts Debo and Joe (aka James and co-host)
Guest: Emmitt Smith (NFL Hall of Famer, All-Time Rushing Leader)
Location: Radio Row, Super Bowl LX

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Overview

This lively Club Shay Shay episode brings NFL legends and personalities together for candid Super Bowl discussion, a deep dive into the state of the Dallas Cowboys, and insightful reflections on sports leadership and podcasting. Emmitt Smith, the NFL's all-time leading rusher, sits in for a candid segment tackling issues with the Cowboys organization, coaching philosophies, and the importance of leadership. The crew then breaks down the Seahawks vs. Patriots Super Bowl matchup, makes some bold MVP and stat predictions, explores hypothetical fun (like which non-football athlete could win Super Bowl MVP), and closes out with a surprise appearance by Shannon Sharpe himself, who shares wisdom on media success and authentic sports commentary.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Emmitt Smith on the State of the Cowboys (02:32–14:43)

• Leadership & Culture:

  • Emmitt highlights a disconnect in the Cowboys' organization, emphasizing the need for "top-down" leadership and championship mentality found in teams like the Steelers and 49ers.
  • Quote:
    “I don’t know if we have that kind of leadership from top down... I think people come into the Cowboys organization truly with not the right intentions.” — Emmitt Smith (03:22)

• Coaching and Analytics:

  • Critiques an overreliance on analytics among current coaches, urging for a return to “gut instincts” and situational decision-making, such as taking points when momentum shifts.
  • Quote:
    “People get so enamored by these numbers and the moneyball bullshit that they miss out on the humanistic of who people really are and how to keep people motivated.” — Emmitt Smith (07:09)

• Jerry Jones’ Role:

  • Discusses Jerry Jones' influence, refuting the idea he’s "handicapping" the team on the field, while stressing the importance of player accountability and coaches asserting their philosophies.
  • Quote:
    “Have you ever seen Jerry Jones make a tackle?...He ain't in his way.” — Emmitt Smith (05:40)

• On Resigning Key Players:

  • Strongly favors the idea of resigning George Pickens, arguing system familiarity and synergy (especially with weapons like CeeDee Lamb and a balanced run game) are vital for future growth.
  • Quote:
    “I would prefer us to sign George Pickens because he’s in the system for a year. And it’s going to get better next year.” — Emmitt Smith (11:29)

• Cowboys Identity & “We Them Boys”:

  • Critiques the “We Them Boys” mantra as lip service, saying the team hasn’t done enough to back it up with performance.
  • Quote:
    “We Them Boys is a song…I think it is lip service because we haven’t done enough to maintain the right to beat them boys like that.” — Emmitt Smith (12:16)

• Plug for Tableau TV:

  • Emmitt shares a quick promo for Tableau TV, a tech solution for live local sports viewing without typical blackouts. (13:19–14:42)

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2. Super Bowl LX: Seahawks vs. Patriots Preview & Predictions (14:43–29:39)

• Player and Game Props:

  • Heavy debate on who’ll shine: Joe bets on Patriots and Sam Darnold as MVP; Debo expects big passing numbers from Drake May. (15:38–16:08)
  • Contention over Seahawks RB Kenneth Walker’s potential – Joe sees a big day, Debo is skeptical.
  • Quote:
    "If Kenneth Walker doesn’t get off for at least...Kenneth Walker’s gonna run for a buck 20, something telling you.” — Joe (23:20)

• Who Steps Up for Seattle if JSN Is Locked Down:

  • The panel weighs whether receivers like Cooper/Kupp or the run game can respond if the Patriots double JSN.
  • Emphasis on the run opening up the passing attack: “If Kenneth Walker Jr. doesn’t tote...it stops.” — (24:11–24:20)

• Favorite Teams Hypothetical:

  • Fun segment picking which teams they'd play for outside their own – LA Rams and Miami cited for lifestyle, Browns for the underdog narrative. (25:50–29:29)

• Best Food in Pittsburgh:

  • Napa Prime, Eddie V's, and Off The Hook get enthusiastic shoutouts as Pittsburgh must-eats. (29:41–30:44)

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3. Fun Segments & Listener Questions (31:01–36:43)

• Best Non-Football Athlete as Super Bowl MVP:
  • LeBron James and Jon Jones are top picks for hypothetical NFL cross-over stars.
  • Quote:
    “LeBron James, straight up, defensive end, tight end, wide out…Stop, bro. Defense, stop, bro.”— (31:41–32:08)
• Hydration Jokes & Essentials:
  • Running jokes about essential water, Amazon “disrespecting the water,” and post-game recovery (using oxygen masks after a huge play in the Super Bowl).
  • Stories about playing in Denver and post-turnover exhaustion, highlighting the toll of elite athletic performance.

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4. Wisdom from Shannon Sharpe – The Business of Podcasting (41:53–56:31)

• On Entering Podcasting:

  • Shannon shares the origin of Club Shay Shay and his journey from reluctant podcaster to major platform owner, recalling soliciting guests from his phone (like Floyd Mayweather and Snoop Dogg).
  • Quote:
    “The hardest thing for you is because, James, you didn’t really do a whole lot of talking when you played, so now people are getting an opportunity to hear you. I was always talking...But your play speaks for itself.” — Shannon Sharpe (44:03)

• Authenticity & Consistency:

  • Stresses that being authentic and consistent is key for podcast growth—listeners crave reliability and real perspectives.
  • On adaptation: “If new information comes out, you move off that. But you stand behind what you say.” (45:01–46:35)

• Collaboration:

  • Discusses the importance of having co-hosts with different perspectives, sharing the rationale behind pairing with Chad Johnson for Nightcap.
  • Quote:
    “He doesn’t take himself too serious. He’s the antithesis of what I am. He don’t take anything serious. I take everything serious.” — Shannon on Ocho (49:51)

• Modern Athletes and Criticism:

  • Reflects on how modern athletes are more sensitive to criticism but insists on the importance of fairness—critiquing plays, not people.
  • Quote:
    “I’m not saying you a bad player. I’m saying that was a bad play, and you happen to be involved in it.” — Shannon (54:14)
  • Wisdom from Deion Sanders to Shannon:
    “When you say something, it stings. It hurts more. Because...you got a gold jacket...So what you say holds more weight.” (54:14–54:42)

• Encouragement to Debo and Joe:

  • “First year is always the hardest. It does get easier...but you have to work harder for it to grow.” (56:16–56:31)

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5. Final Super Bowl Predictions (57:08–58:00)

• Picks:
  • Joe goes Seahawks: 27–24.
  • Debo picks Patriots: 27–24.
  • “I want to thank you all for joining this episode of Debo and Joe…” — Debo (57:35)
  • Both sign off with friendly trash talk on who’s prediction will prove correct.

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• On Cowboys Leadership:
  “I don’t know if we have that kind of leadership from top down...” — Emmitt Smith (03:22)

• On Analytics and Coaching:
  “People get so enamored by these numbers and the moneyball bullshit...” — Emmitt Smith (07:09)

• On Stepping Up:
  “If Kenneth Walker’s not getting off and they don’t have to drop those safeties up there, then JSN could get off, but if they double team him, Walker’s going to be the MVP of the game.” — Joe (23:20)

• On Being a Fair Critic:
  “I’m not saying you a bad player. I’m saying that was a bad play, and you happen to be involved in it.” — Shannon Sharpe (54:14)

• On Podcast Growth:
  “First year is always the hardest. It does get easier...but you have to work harder for it to grow.” — Shannon Sharpe (56:16)

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Important Timestamps for Key Segments

• Emmitt Smith Cowboys Deep Dive: 02:32–14:43
• Super Bowl Predictions (Joe vs Debo): 14:58–16:08, 57:16–58:00
• Seattle Offense If JSN Locked Down: 22:38–24:20
• Food in Pittsburgh Segment: 29:41–30:44
• Non-NFL Player as MVP Hypothetical: 31:16–33:16
• Shannon Joins — Media/Persistence/Wisdom: 41:53–56:31

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Tone & Energy

The episode is fast-paced, witty, and rooted in authentic locker-room banter, with honest criticisms but deep mutual respect among athletes. Shannon Sharpe and Emmitt Smith blend motivational wisdom with light-hearted storytelling, while Debo and Joe keep things fresh with fan takes, friendly jabs, and genuine curiosity about legacy and success—both in football and media.

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For fans or newcomers, this episode offers candid, first-hand insight into NFL culture, Super Bowl strategizing, and hard-earned lessons about leadership both on the field and behind the mic.

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[B]

Gonna cut you off. Look here man, we got Emmett Gator. Great Gator, former Cowboy running back, three time super bowl champion, NFL all time rushing leader and a Hall of Famer.

[F]

Yes, sir.

[B]

Gator.

[F]

Great.

[B]

How you doing, baby?

[G]

Man, I'm good. How are you guys doing? Steelers are everywhere, all over the place. I was over there with your boy Haywood and Porter.

[B]

Yeah, man.

[H]

Y' all doing y' all thing.

[F]

Trying to, boss.

[B]

Trying to, man.

[G]

Keep doing it.

[B]

Speaking of doing our thing, what's wrong with them Cowboys over there?

[G]

I don't know. I don't know what's wrong with them boys. I mean, they just. You know how it is. You know how the locker room is. You know, you know how that locker room is. But y'.

[B]

All.

[C]

Locker room.

[B]

Y'.

[D]

All.

[G]

I look at y' all at the Steelers as a championship organization, just like the 49ers. A championship organization. You know how to win.

[F]

Yes.

[G]

You know what the coaching look and players like you to come in. You know what's to expect.

[B]

Yes.

[G]

I don't have to tell you.

[B]

No.

[G]

Because your leadership on right is going from top down.

[H]

Exactly.

[G]

I don't know if we have that kind of leadership from top down.

[B]

Okay.

[G]

And where everybody's buying into what the leaders are showing them and teaching them and working with them.

[F]

Yes.

[G]

And that includes players. That includes players. And I'm not sure if coaches themselves are all on the same page. All coaches trying to figure out a way to just displayed with their talent so they can go get a head coach some other place. I don't know what's going on in that regard. So I think people come into the Cowboys organization truly with not the right intentions. I don't know if everybody's as committed.

[B]

Are they coming just to have that notoriety of having that star or are they coming there to actually buy in and come out with a championship that is, you know, are you coming goal to win championships or is your goal to get fame and fortune?

[G]

That is. That's what I'm. That's what I'm talking about. When you look at New England Patriots, they are the same way Mark Baber came back.

[B]

Yes.

[G]

And I think he established all of that. You got to have someone that's from that championship pedigree to come back and bring that kind of. Especially if he's the head coach. I think that's how he's impacting this team. Because this team can look at this dude and say, you know what? This mother brother here has won some championship.

[B]

I got a question for you.

[G]

Yeah.

[B]

How do you feel about Mike McCarthy when he was there, did he have that opportunity, or was he kind of maybe handicapped a little by other forces, or was that just all him?

[G]

I think it's all him.

[F]

Okay.

[G]

I really do. I think every. Every head coach has the chance to say, this is who I am, and this is how I'm operating. And at the end of the day, either you want me to do what.

[B]

I do best, or you listen, I know you like Jerry. I want to know if Jerry was handicapping my guy or not. Okay. Because Jerry is somebody I feel like, that can't get out of his own way. You know what? I always thought I wanted to be the smartest person in the room, but then I realized I don't want to be the smartest person in the room because I can't grow. I have nowhere to go. I need to get out of that room and get into other rooms. But it's only one person that's more dangerous than that, and that's the person that thinks there's the smartest person in that room and now has the power to quiet all those voices.

[E]

Right?

[F]

Right.

[B]

I think that's Jerry. He can't get out his own way sometime.

[G]

Well, let me ask you this. Have you ever seen Jerry Jones make a tackle?

[D]

Never.

[G]

Have you ever seen Jerry Jones throw a touchdown pass?

[B]

Never.

[G]

You ever see him hand the ball off to a running back?

[B]

Never.

[G]

Have you ever seen him make a block?

[B]

Never.

[G]

He ain't in his way how.

[B]

He's. He's the one that's going to put the players there.

[G]

He's the one that. Go get you in the draft. Go get you in the draft. Go bring me in a draf. And then you go in the room. I'm telling the players need to take ownerships and.

[C]

Yes.

[G]

And the mindset of the. You asked about Mike McCarthy. I like Mike McCarthy. I like him. The problem is, I think, with coaching. Some of the guys that are coaching.

[B]

Today.

[G]

They want to throw the ball everywhere, and they want to go to the analytics, and they go. And they go away from the gut instinct at times because analytics tell me to go forward on fourth down when I have a defense that just stops somebody or an offense that just drove down the field and got into the field goal range and we tried to get an end zone and we couldn't do it. Take the three points. Keep the momentum going. My defense just stopped them at the goal line. All right.

[F]

Yes.

[G]

And now we drive down the field. And now we on their side of the field. Take the damn three points, please. Keep the momentum going for your Team because you have worked your behind off. I'm gonna reward you for what you just done. I'm not gonna just miss this. Now if the field go kicker missed the dogmatic point, I'm looking at him sideways for show.

[F]

You got a job to do, Coach.

[G]

I mean, I think people get so enamored by these numbers and the money ball bullshit that they miss out on the humanistic of who people really are and how to keep people motivated.

[B]

Right, Right. Oh, well, we missed it. We still up seven back there. Well, if you had kicked that field goal, you'd be up 10 now. That would have put a little different pressure on the Patriots at that point in time. You wanted to play.

[G]

You wanted to play. You want to. Oh, they missed it, so we gonna miss it too. So the game is still even. No, no, no, no. Look at us, all three of us, right?

[B]

Yes.

[G]

Guess what? We play the game. We know the emotions of the guests and you. Not only that, but we are some instinctive, instinctive people.

[F]

Yes.

[B]

Thank you.

[G]

And we have our own mind and we know how hard it is to go from one end to the other end.

[B]

Yes.

[G]

Against a solid defense or a solid offense or a strong offense. However you want to look at it. They plans. They sitting back here trying to play matchmaker. They ain't doing in between the lines. You out here trying to.

[B]

Well, the number said this because of this and that. No, the number said it's third down, we need to. We ain't make it. We need to kick this field.

[G]

The number said Emmy Smith was not even supposed to be the all time lead in rusher. That's what the number, the number said Emma Smith wasn't even supposed to be in the league no more than three and a half, four years.

[B]

That was the number said.

[G]

That's what the number said.

[B]

What Emmis say?

[G]

Goddamn it, Emmis said 15. Emmy said 18.

[B]

How many yards he say rushing?

[G]

18. 355.

[B]

What'd he say?

[G]

He said 164 touchdowns.

[B]

How many Super Bowl. He said.

[G]

He said three Super Bowls at the N people. What all?

[B]

What he tell them about the hall of fame?

[G]

Hey, 2010. 2010. Come on.

[F]

Yes, they the great.

[B]

But.

[G]

But it is that. It's that. Yes, that. Some of these folks don't know. They. Some of them are so smart their ass is dumb.

[B]

That's what I'm saying.

[F]

You think you're too smart.

[B]

You outsmarting yourself.

[G]

Outsmarting yourself smart for your own outsmart. But they, they don't want to hear.

[B]

That from they, hey, they don't want to hear that from the players. Let's put it like that.

[G]

They don't want to hear from us or.

[F]

Oh Emmett, that was good.

[G]

Yeah, I'm just saying man.

[B]

Hey man, look man, speaking of players man, do you think, do you think. Yes. Cowboys should resign?

[H]

Boy picking oh yeah.

[G]

Oh yeah, I think they should. I think they should. And here's the reason why. You had Irvin, you had Hart. Now you're gonna have Pickens and lan and Lamb and then you got Devonte in the slot or you got the tight end so you got some weapons there. Then you got a run game that you can rely on. Okay so now you upgrading areas of weakness up front. Only a few. Then on the defensive side, this is where we got to get it right. We got to get it right over here. We got to get these the two guys that we got through the trades and everything else. We got to get them some support and we got to get some linebackers in there that can go east and west and that team got to be able to run east and west and get to the football the way y' all used to get to the football.

[B]

Give me, give me nine months. I'll be back. I'll come back for the Cowboys for a year. Give me nine months. Nine months to get right first you.

[G]

You give me five years, I ain't coming back.

[B]

Ain't lying.

[F]

How you feel about Would you. Did Brian Sh. Shimer exceed your expectations?

[D]

He did.

[C]

He did.

[G]

I, I, I thought he did a great job of bringing that offense together and not only that but establishing the ability to be able to run the ball and throw the ball at the same time. I mean balance is to me, balance is the key to everything.

[F]

Yes.

[G]

And when you were able to run the ball and the defensive position player know this. When you're able to run the ball, the whole offense open up. Yeah, you can't do that. You one dimensional cuz you got to.

[B]

Come down to try and you know what got to take stuff out of.

[G]

Exactly. I'm going to have my guys, my dogs, my greyhounds on that edge pin their ears back and go get I'm, I'm a blitz. I'm going to put more pressure on that quarterback now and and that ball get tipped pick turnover opportunity over throws and some quarterbacks that's playing in this game could feel the pressure.

[F]

Oh hold up.

[B]

Hey listen, they seeing ghosts Said are you concerned if Jerry Jones doesn't sign George Pickens to a long term deal, are you concerned if he doesn't sign.

[G]

Pickets to a long, I'm not necessarily concerned because we got picks we can go in the draft and get guys that. That might be quality guys coming out.

[B]

Okay.

[G]

I mean, we can make also some trades to. For some people to get. Get. Get veteran wide receivers in. But I would prefer us to sign. To sign George Pickens because he's in the system for a year.

[B]

Yeah.

[G]

And it's going to get better next year. Lamb is there. Lamb is going to get better, and everybody should get better in this system because it'll be year two.

[B]

Yeah.

[G]

And all you're doing now is just upgrading in areas of that that was challenging and that could be limiting the offense from growing.

[B]

Okay, I understand. I understand what you're saying. Now look here. Them boys, you think some of that. Them boys lusted and wore off. It's just. It's just words. It's just word play. Now we, We Them Boys sound like just. Just, you know, lip service. Right?

[G]

First of all, We Them Boys is a song. And. And I think it is lip service because we haven't done enough to maintain the right to beat them boys like that. And so, you know, you true, cuz.

[H]

You did it.

[B]

You did it.

[F]

Y' all did. Y' all did it as well. You deserved it.

[G]

That's why I understand when you. When you say we them boys, they gotta be something behind it. There got to be something behind it to stabilize the. The junk that has appeared over the last 30 years. And once you get it stabilized, you can't do. This is where Jerry cannot mess it up at. Once you get it stabilized, you cannot do anything to disrupt it. You got to leave that chemistry where it's at. Because the minute you start fooling with chemistry, that's when everything falls apart. And that window is closing on certain players. So. So either you're going to recreate it right now, or you're gonna wait to the end of the window and then you're gonna have to start all over again and you're gonna invested all this time, all of this energy, all of this money and things that's outdated now.

[B]

Yeah.

[G]

And it don't take long before we.

[B]

Get you out of here. We're gonna brings you in here, man.

[G]

Oh, yeah. I've been working with Tableau for the last three years right now. Tableau is a system that you can plug into your television network at your home, the antennas and everything else, and it would tap into all of the TVs in your entire house. It'll tap into your phone. It'll tap also into your. Your laptops and. Yeah, and your iPad. So this one streaming service right here costs probably about an average of 100 bucks. You get over 125 channels. You get to watch, pause, record. Live TV, including local news and live sports and popular shows. All of those things comes with tabloid. The antenna itself. If you think back this fall when you had ABC and all these channels arguing over who's going to cover this game and who's going to play that game, and then they blacked it out. Yeah. With this, you'd have been able to watch the football game.

[F]

There we go.

[G]

And it only cost you 100 bucks. Think about all the streaming services. All them guys.

[F]

Hulu Prime. Name by 6, 7.

[G]

Name them. Name them.

[H]

Name them.

[B]

Y' all check out Taloid tv. Look here, baby. Want to thank you for coming. They trying to rush.

[F]

Thank you so much.

[B]

I could talk to you for a long time, man. Come on.

[G]

I'm gonna see.

[B]

I'm gonna have to get your number.

[H]

All right, bro.

[F]

We gonna link offline.

[B]

We about to jump in right now.

[F]

Yeah, I got your number. I'm gonna get it to James.

[G]

Yeah, hit me up right now. Make sure you got the right numbers.

[B]

Yeah. All right.

[G]

Peace out, y'.

[B]

All. Hey, look here, Joe. You know what time it is, Joe? It's play of Fade, presented by Prize. Come on, let's roll.

[G]

I dial it in. There we go.

[B]

I can't hear nothing.

[F]

Yo, yo.

[B]

Already breath. It says some animation.

[G]

I can't hear you might have the other number. Yeah, yeah.

[F]

Yes.

[B]

That's good.

[G]

Now y' all gonna fight over that tableau right now.

[B]

Oh, you leaving it?

[G]

Oh, I'm leaving it.

[B]

It ain't gonna be no fight, Joe. Like yourself.

[F]

Yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and let.

[B]

Him have that one.

[F]

Go ahead and let him have that one.

[B]

Ain't gonna be no damn.

[H]

Thank you, boss.

[B]

You, too. Hey, look here, Joe, man. Check it out right here, man.

[F]

What's up, brother?

[B]

You already know. I got the Patriots win.

[G]

Yes.

[B]

But in that process, you know who gonna be the person that's gonna be the MVP for us? It's gonna be Sam Darnold and whoever catch that pick from you. I got Drake May. It's an easy five more to five yards. That's simple. And I ain't gonna lie to you. I got. I got more for jsn just because they. I think they gonna throw the man and rock a whole bunch opportunities. And the reason they gonna have to do that is because we gonna stop the run on Walker. He go get. He go. He gonna get less. What do you think, man, why did.

[F]

We put Walker under? No Walker gonna tote that pill. Yes, he is okay. And he doesn't have Charbonne either. So there's no Charbonnet. He's the lone wolf. He's the lone toter. He's the lone toter.

[B]

We go key in on him. They don't even throwing the ball like that.

[F]

If you start doing that, you playing.

[B]

Or you fading, what you gonna do? I'm gonna. Fading Joe is fading me, man.

[F]

Cuz you playing with playing. You playing.

[B]

Make sure y' all download the app today and use the code Debo Joe to get $50 as you use your first $5 lineup. That code Debo Joe, look here. Thank y' all for coming. Appreciate you. Love you.

[H]

We'll be.

[B]

We won't be back.

[F]

We won't be back.

[B]

But look here, we will see y' all at nightcap.

[F]

No, we still run a question.

[B]

Debo got a question.

[F]

See, he all off cue.

[B]

We ain't off cue. Hey man, what time is it? I thought we was out of time. Look here we got. How come more teams don't run the two minute offense at times throughout the game? From what I see, it is it works when they need it.

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[B]

Timing 2 minute offense is 2 minute offense that makes your players tired. You want to run 2 minute offense all day, you better figure out a 2 minute offense of 2 separate offenses to be able to do it.

[F]

And then it's like you gotta, it's a certain pace. Yeah, you gotta have things going. You gotta like say we make a plate and we trying to get onto the ball. We don't want to start like let, let you sub.

[B]

So take one out. You gotta. I'm. I can walk in and sub. I slow that down.

[G]

Yeah.

[F]

Soon as you, soon as you change, as soon as you change personnel, they able to. The other team's able to slow your whole thing down. They can just walk it out because soon as you sub 1 the ref can stand over the ball. So I would think that. And just. You just can't go too out. It just doesn't, it doesn't make sense.

[B]

It don't make sense because you're talking about two minute all game. It don't work that way. Two minute is two minute for a reason. Like it's not. It's not going to be as effective as you think it is. Because now if I know that's what you're doing, I'm going to prepare for that situation to be all game and.

[F]

Say you try to do that two minute and it's incomplete.

[B]

Incomplete, Incomplete.

[F]

Now you're staring the ball up. You gave it up with. You wasted five seconds of the game.

[B]

Five seconds.

[F]

Now you got 15 seconds.

[H]

Three.

[F]

Five. Five seconds and they come back out.

[B]

There, they start running the ball, grinding your defense out and now you jump back out here two minutes and you do another, do another three. Now the defense was out there 10 minutes, got two minutes break. Now they back out there for another 10. Yeah, you'll get dog walk.

[F]

So yeah. And then you establishing the run two minute offense, you're not really like just handing the ball off.

[B]

That's.

[F]

That's clock. It's just, it's not, it's not situationally.

[B]

Looking at the proper clock, bro. I'm looking at my, my watch. That's.

[F]

Oh, it's only. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not, it's.

[B]

Oh, it's. So what's the name? Time, bro. I was.

[F]

You thought you was. You thought you was on the east coast still.

[B]

No, it didn't. I ain't got it hooked up to nothing. So it didn't, it didn't change. It didn't change back to nothing, brother. All right, what we got here? I guess we got. I guess we got more.

[F]

Oh, that was the two minute joint.

[B]

What's next?

[F]

They can't do the two minutes.

[B]

We ain't got nothing else next.

[F]

Good.

[B]

Oh we do.

[G]

We do.

[F]

Who will step up?

[B]

Who will step up for Seattle? Man? That's.

[F]

England takes away jsn. If New England takes away jsn.

[B]

If New England takes away jsn, who will step up? They got Coop, don't they?

[F]

They got Coop, they got cup, but.

[B]

He ain't gonna step up.

[F]

The only they're going to have if.

[B]

They, if they lock down, bro. Jsc, everybody else gonna be so scared, they'd be like, we can't get. We can't get free either. The police. If JSC can't get loose, what's Weez go do, boss?

[F]

They gonna be spooked if JSN not getting off.

[H]

You ain't lying.

[B]

You ain't lying. Who you think?

[F]

Honestly, I like Cooper, I like Kup. But if they don't run the ball, if Kenneth Walker doesn't get off for at least that's what I'm saying. Kenneth Walker's gonna run for a buck 20 something telling you, because if he's not getting off and they don't have to drop those safeties up there, then JSN could be able to. I think JSN is going to be able to get off, but when they double team them, Walker's going to be the ball. Walker's going to be the MVP of the game.

[B]

I understand that, but I can still double team him and keep enough people on the line to be able to stop Walker. So I'm just going to go ahead and be like, look, I know he go get what he go get, but I can't let this dude get loose. So now if I let him get loose now we got to bring even more. Like, I just can't let him get loose. He get loose now. All the other receivers got an opportunity too. I'm telling you, I'm gonna let you.

[F]

Get only opening up. It's only opening up if Kenneth Walker Jr. Gets the tote. If he doesn't tote, and that's why it stops him. Like you said, if you say if. What's you saying?

[B]

That's why we stopping.

[F]

You're gonna win.

[B]

Stop him from running. We stop him from running. We know you go go to who you go go to. We go tackle the catch, make sure that we got two bodies in the vicinity, even if it's not a double.

[F]

Okay.

[B]

And then strap everybody else.

[F]

If you strap JSN and Walker. Walker.

[B]

I ain't saying we got to strap jsn. I'm saying we got to strap Walker and we JSN get. I said more. He get more, but he don't get no tuddy with it.

[F]

I don't believe it. Y' all not stopping Walker and then that's going let James take it off.

[B]

Then dar go try that. I'mma force it in there. Cuz he go. It ain't going to be there. He going to be trying to get it away from him. Cuz they going to start pinning them ears back.

[F]

We going to be watching.

[B]

Running the ball no more. I could pin my ears back.

[F]

Run first. Run first, Seattle. Run first.

[B]

Yeah, but if it's no success, it's.

[F]

Going to be successful, though. That's what I'm trying to tell you. You keep on saying, like, they going like the Patriots defense just going. No, they not going to be saying.

[B]

They just go like, this is the super bowl, bro.

[F]

Yeah, we gonna see.

[B]

Like, everybody is your boy Darnold, is he. He. Right now he's thinking about everything that.

[F]

Went on in his life right now. He's balling.

[B]

He's like, oh, man, I just went from this to that. Like, I can't. I can't let anybody. He pressuring himself. I hope he is. I'm pressuring you. Look here, man. He said, outside of the Steelers and the Browns, what team would you like to play for outside the Steelers and the Browns team? Like, I ain't gonna lie to you.

[G]

If.

[B]

If we're going, are we going like for winning or just play for it and it's already given how it's winning?

[F]

It's already. No, it's not given that it's winning. It's whatever. Like what teams.

[B]

Well, see, you just saying. Oh, you used to losing. Never mind.

[G]

If.

[F]

What team would you play for other than the Browns or the Steelers, Steelers and the Patriots?

[B]

I ain't never played for the Browns. That's the team I want.

[F]

That's what I'm saying. You. I'm putting them in there because I know you won't pick them. But what Browns, Steelers, Patriots and Cincinnati. Who would you play for? Who would you want to play for?

[B]

Okay, so if we're giving that. Success is not guaranteed.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Then I won't let.

[F]

Success is guaranteed.

[B]

But you know, if the tools are there. Okay, yeah, I want to play where the most tools are.

[F]

Where is that.

[B]

Right now? Since I can't pick New England, it's gonna have to be Seattle. Cause they in the Super Bowl.

[F]

Okay, okay, okay. You know where I'm playing? Louisiana. Rams.

[G]

Yep.

[B]

That sound good.

[F]

Love la. I like the weather. Love everything. I'll be able to go to the Lakers games.

[B]

Nah, nah. You hate the game, all that. Stop it.

[F]

No, I'm good with the traffic, so I'm gonna leave early. Nighttime, all that back roads.

[B]

So listen, take it away and add that. Winning is a given. Where is your ideal place?

[F]

Winning is a given.

[B]

We're gonna say it on three. We'll say it on three. I know where my is, but if yours ain't there. Oh, you don't make no sense.

[F]

And winning is a giving.

[B]

Winning is a giving. Where's your ideal place? Say it on three.

[F]

Ready?

[B]

One, two, three.

[F]

Cleveland Browns.

[B]

Miami. Miami. You can't pick them. You just said that.

[F]

But you said.

[B]

I said winning is a given.

[F]

Winning is a given. I'm going to Cleveland.

[B]

We ain't won.

[F]

They gotta go win. Nope.

[B]

We just said you can't pick that running back.

[F]

Running back, Running back.

[B]

It's too late now. Okay, who would you have picked?

[F]

Cleveland Browns. You can't pick that.

[B]

You want to go there and lose again?

[F]

No, I want to bring winning there.

[B]

You can't pick that.

[F]

You said it's automatic winning. I said. Oh.

[B]

I said winning is the given now.

[F]

Yes.

[B]

You can't pick whoever I couldn't pick which is Cleveland. Okay, so I pick Miami.

[F]

And you would pick who I would pick?

[B]

It ain't nowhere else to go, Joe. What you mean I would go Miami.

[F]

Miami. No, I'm going to. I'm still going to the Rams.

[B]

You going to the Rams?

[F]

I'm going to the Rams. I'm living in LA and we're winning chips in la. And then I'm sitting courtside at the Lakers games because I'm whooping jumping ass on the field at sofa. So I'm getting to see, boom, courtside games. Hey, whooping in the la.

[B]

Listen, you stay in la, you pay all that money on them property taxes.

[F]

But I'm winning. Look, if I'm. If we win the Super Bowls I'm making right now. I'm high speed corner. I'm making 35 million a year.

[B]

I'm chilling. I'll be in Florida. Same thing.

[F]

Trust me. I don't know. With no income, I don't need all of it. I'll still be fine out there.

[B]

What are you talking about? You know how many people people I can help with the money I done saved on taxes paying the government.

[F]

Man, I hear you. You talking about you asking me questions. You just asked me where I want to be. So now you all right?

[B]

I'm just saying. I'm just trying to give you the whole spill of. Why?

[F]

Because it's too. And you know, California is better because the weather is not. It's all human. If it's all human, I know.

[B]

Is it worth 50 of your pay?

[F]

Not 50. It's only number 12.

[B]

It's only 12.

[F]

Like 12 and a half percent, come.

[B]

Down to it over there.

[F]

That's. That's what I'm saying. In Miami, you getting another 12 and a half nothing.

[B]

What are you talking about, Joe?

[F]

Okay, all right.

[B]

That's okay. That's all good.

[F]

I'm a living Cali and be chilling.

[B]

When you got money and you ain't, you know what I'm saying? You stupid rich like Joe is. Got diamonds in your teeth. That's worth more than my house.

[F]

Come on, man. Come on, Debo.

[B]

That's what it is. That's what it is.

[F]

What's the best food spot in Pittsburgh?

[B]

It's a place called Napa Prime. Yes.

[F]

Napa Prime. Fire. Napa prime is fire.

[B]

Napa prime is fire.

[F]

Napa prime is fire.

[B]

That. That's what I would go with. That's what I'll go. He probably gonna say something goofy. Go, go ahead. Go ahead. You trying to Pittsburgh out. I know what you're supposed to.

[F]

No, no, I'm definitely not gonna say none of them little. Definitely wasn't going to say that. I do not like the. The potatoes in my sandwich. But I'm gonna go with Eddie Beaves.

[B]

Over Napa Prime.

[F]

The Eddie V's in Pittsburgh was probably one of the best that I had that.

[B]

But I said over you, you could pick the same thing. If it is. If you're just trying to be different. I just want to be different because.

[F]

Oh, I would go to. Off the hook. Come on. Off the hook. Okay. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They related.

[B]

They related.

[F]

Yes, yes, yes.

[B]

Okay. You know what I'm saying?

[F]

Those are the three spots.

[B]

Hey, never Prime. Off the hook.

[F]

Off the hook. Eddie V's.

[B]

Wexford.

[F]

Wexford.

[G]

Yes.

[F]

Those two get close to the dealership.

[B]

Eddie V's. That's downtown, right?

[F]

Eddie V's downtown.

[B]

Downtown. Yes. That's straight in the middle of Pittsburgh.

[F]

Come on.

[B]

What we got?

[F]

Man? Oh, man, I'm so glad I seen my dog. Emmett Smith. That was lit Gator. Great.

[B]

What non football player could win Super Bowl?

[G]

What?

[F]

But not NFL player winning super bowl mvp?

[B]

If they non NFL player, how they gonna win an mvp?

[F]

Because they just saying who you think would be the best player that's in like the NBA that could come to the NFL?

[B]

They said non NFL player. They ain't say NBA or that means.

[F]

That that's a non NFL player, though. It could be mlb, it could be NBA. It could be anybody. Who you think could play in the league? Hockey player. You know who I'm going with again, you already know. LeBron James, straight up, defensive end, tight end, wide out.

[B]

We know defensive end. Stop, bro. Man, Stop, bro. Stop, bro. Defense. Stop, bro. Stop playing now. You gassing. Yeah, I, I, I'm, I'm. I'm a LeBron fan. I'm Jordan first, but I'm LeBron second. Akron.

[F]

Oh, straight. But no, no defense, bro. I'm not playing no defense.

[B]

Hell, no. Brown ain't playing no defense, bro.

[F]

And that's just because he chooses not to run people over right now. For real.

[B]

That's hitting.

[F]

I'm not disrespecting bronze.

[B]

I ain't disrespecting him either, but I'm looking. Okay.

[F]

265, 270, bruh.

[B]

He got a 20 take six, eight. He, he.

[F]

Listen, bro, that's too tall.

[B]

That you coming out of there.

[H]

You.

[B]

You got it. And you gotta come in there and bang, bang, bang.

[F]

Okay. Wide receiver, tight end.

[B]

Yes. Okay, I'll give you that one. I give you that one because, like.

[F]

Jimmy Graham was out that joint. Tight end. Just straight jump balls.

[B]

So I'm trying to think of who I. Who I would go. Who I gotta think. So who I go with. See, I'm leaning. I'm leaning more towards, like, who. Jon Jones.

[H]

Oh, man, I like that.

[F]

What position?

[H]

Put.

[B]

Put, put. Put him down there on the end.

[F]

Outside. Outside backup.

[B]

Put him down there on the end. On the end of the line.

[F]

Okay, I like that.

[B]

You can call it. You can call wherever you want. I'm putting him on the end of line.

[F]

John Bones Jones is a good one.

[B]

His brother, not Chan. Hey, Jones. Them Jones boys. Now, don't forget it. Yeah, I got. Yeah, okay.

[F]

I like that. I like that one a lot. Like that one a lot. And then if I didn't go LeBron. Cause I keep going. Bron Anthony Edwards.

[B]

Okay, I'll go with that. At D. Boy and Joe's Central Water need to sp. Hell, yeah, they do.

[F]

Yes, yes, yes.

[B]

Essential water. We need a sponsorship. We got Holla at your boy.

[F]

This man drinks a thousand liters.

[B]

Look here, check out, check out, check out the post. How they disrespect. How Amazon disrespected the water, okay? The love for the water that I have, Joe now has. I spread it on out. You know what I'm saying?

[F]

Hydration is a thing. Is a key factor to. To James.

[B]

Hey, six to eight liters a day. That's what I do. I don't know who that is, though. I just said deuce. Oh, yeah.

[F]

It's just people walking around, people walking through. It's getting live.

[B]

Essential water. Holla at your boy. B. Bo, how long did it take you to. Yes. Hey, man, that.

[F]

That's never gonna leave you, brother. You oxygen mask.

[B]

I'm trying to tell you. How long did it take you to recover after the interception in the Super Bowl? So it didn't take as long as y' all think it took to recover it, did it, Dido. You keep lying.

[F]

Cause you over there on the oxygen mat. That's a long time.

[B]

I'm trying to tell y' all to understand something. Listen, we was in a deep. What was that? 10, 11, 12 plate drive right at the end of the half. Okay?

[F]

Yes. So you already are exhausted before you ran.

[B]

I catch the rock right there. Goal line. We going back a hundred. Now, don't forget I did.

[F]

You zigzag, you jump, you heard.

[B]

I hurdle. I gave. I gave like I gave everything I had.

[G]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's all I had left. That was like 130 yard run. Okay, now I'm just trying to tell you I did hit my head. I'm trying to tell y', all, just run the playback. I hit my head, my neck cracked. I was go, get up. But as I went to go get up, my neck cracked again. And that's when I realized I was dead dog tired.

[F]

Double neck crack. And did you fall on the ball, too? Did the ball knock the wind out your stomach or you didn't fall off? I was trying to get you. Trying to give you a little out.

[B]

Neck all the way. The neck took all the way. Ah. And then when that happened, I realized, listen, I ain't catch my breath till I got in there at halftime. I ain't gonna lie. I had to get two IVs, too.

[F]

Yes. Yeah. So 15 minutes.

[G]

Good, good.

[B]

15.

[H]

Good.

[F]

15 minutes.

[B]

Hey, I'm gonna tell you right now. You know how you take that oxygen, then you pull that mask off? It's worse.

[F]

Cause I never got the oxygen before, Deebo. You know, I was.

[G]

You know.

[B]

Cause then you really, like. It's like. It's like you really suck it through a straw then, bruh. Like, you get all that good fresh.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Then you take it off. It's like. You know what I'm saying? Like.

[F]

Close your window, bro.

[B]

Denver. You ever played in Denver?

[F]

Yes, I played in Denver.

[B]

You pull that arrow oxygen.

[F]

I ain't get the oxygen, though. Boy was in shape, bro.

[B]

I thought I had sickle cell. Something going on, bro. I was coming up out of, man, I played in Denver three times. Twice I left there pissing blood.

[F]

Oh, see?

[B]

Yeah, that was bad.

[F]

That's no good. That's no good. That's no good.

[B]

What we got next. Shannon.

[F]

Oh, there he is.

[B]

Say, say.

[F]

You was 15 minutes.

[B]

Hey y' all, look here man, we got. We got a guest coming in.

[F]

Oh man, is that the man?

[B]

Oh man, man, the myth, the man, the myth. Old man, the man, the middle aged aka aka I just call him Shay Shay.

[F]

Call him Shay shay.

[B]

Look here. AKA Mr. Mr. Shay shay. Say, say this, say that Mr. Say how it is. Mr. Mr. Saints. Like, like he. He go give you something that, that. His granny said that from way back in the old day, which you had the Cadillac against a brick wall and the bumper wouldn't even bend.

[F]

He gonna give you some bars. Some old school bars.

[B]

He gonna give you some bars. Look here, this is the man that afforded us the opportunity to be where we are right now. Say Shay Media shout out. Say, say Shannon.

[F]

Mr. Dimple.

[B]

I want to get the middle name.

[F]

See, you want full blown government.

[B]

Where that boy Ocho at? He ain't here like. Look, we ain't gonna know any game.

[F]

You want to put Ocho in the headlock?

[B]

You go put Ocho in the head.

[F]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[B]

That's what you want to do.

[F]

I'm talking about you.

[B]

Oh no, I ain't gonna do that to him. Okay, okay, listen man, he. He over there getting signed up. I'm over here. I'm.

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[A]

Hey, this is US Olympic gold medalist Tara Davis Woodhull.

[B]

And I'm US Paralympic gold medalist Hunter Woodhull.

[A]

As athletes, our lives are about having.

[B]

A clear path and a team that.

[C]

You can absolutely trust.

[A]

So when it came to getting the.

[B]

Best mortgage, we chose PennyMac.

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[C]

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[B]

Yeah, right here.

[F]

I'mma slide over.

[H]

There you go.

[B]

Let go. Let night. Let's go. Big bad boss.

[H]

What's up? What's up?

[F]

How you doing, babe?

[H]

I'm good, man.

[F]

Good.

[H]

Good to see how you guys doing, bro.

[B]

Doing good. Well, doing hall of Fame. The man that gave it gave us the opportunity we got right now. We're very thankful for no man.

[H]

Yeah, I mean I thought you guys did an unbelievable job filling in for Ocho and I this summer. And that was the whole purpose of it was to try to get people and like, okay, let's see how they handle this situation. How serious are they. Because this is something that you can't do. One, you know, do a Monday. And then, ah, man, something came up. I can't do it this week. And that's what you run into a lot. Everybody says they want to do it, and then all of a sudden they get into it, and then they realize how much work it actually takes, and then all of a sudden they back away. But we reached out. Who reached out to James, and he was like, I'll do it. I was like, acting like, well, James.

[B]

I had been fighting it for a while. That's why. It's probably why you were surprised.

[H]

I was very.

[B]

So I'm like, I actually. Reesa talked me into it. She's like, just, come on, just do it.

[G]

You might.

[B]

Like, you don't know. I'm like, dude, you know, I don't. I'm like, all right.

[H]

Because when Ash called me and said, well, James says, debo said he'll do it.

[B]

I say, do what?

[H]

Like, he'll do. He'll do. You know, I was like, does he understand that, like, this is, like, three times and it's like an hour to two hours? She's like, yeah. And then after you did it, she's like, he really likes it, and I think he wants to do one. I was like, serious? I will just find out how seriously how serious he is about doing it, and let's find someone that we can pair him with and. And go from there. And you guys. You know, you guys do an unbelievable job, so I really appreciate you guys working at it. And the thing is that you try to get better and better each time you do it, and there's a lot of work that goes into it, and you guys will put the work in, so I'm extremely proud of it.

[F]

Oh, man. Thank you.

[B]

Yeah. Give me some cheat codes to. To be more successful at it. Because, I mean, you're doing it. I mean, you doing it all as well, you know?

[H]

You know, I think the biggest thing is be authentic. This is be who you are, and everybody knows who you are. I think the thing. The hardest thing for you is because, James, you didn't really do a whole lot of talking when you played, so now people are getting an opportunity to hear you. I was always talking. I was always on some bull J. Yeah, but your play speaks for itself. Everybody knows an undrafted free agent that went on to be an all Pro, that been a defensive player of the year to win to multiple pro bowls, won a Super Bowl. So your accolades speak for themselves. People don't Realize just how much you have to say because you didn't have a lot to say when you actually played. You let your play do, do your talking. So now it takes a while for, for people like, okay, he has a lot to say. He, he, he knows what he's talking about. Me, I was just the opposite. I, I started out, I, I talked when I played, still played at an elite level. And then once I, once I was done, I went straight into television. And so people kind of heard my voice. But I think the biggest thing is with me, look, Nightcap and, and Club Shay are two different platforms. Club Shay is about the guest. My job is to like, ask questions, try to make them feel as comfortable as possible. And when they come sit down across from me and they look at me, they realize this man ain't here to judge me.

[B]

He.

[H]

My story is my story. I will allow them to tell it without over talking them. Club Shae Shay, Ocho and I'll be on some bull job. We're going to, we're going to break down the game. We're going to break down the games. But our motto is come for the sports, stay for the stories. And we have a lot of stories having, you know, obviously I'm about to be 58 in about five, about five months, four months actually. And to tell stories from high school and college and the professional ranks and things that have happened in our life in Ocho the same way. So I think that's the biggest thing. Just be consistent. People like consistency. There's a reason why when you look at sitcoms, they came on at the same time every week. They didn't come on one. Okay, this week Seinfeld came on Monday. Next week he's gonna come on Thursday. The next week he's gonna come on Saturday. It's every single. And so people like to like, oh, man, Debo and Joe, they come, man, they come on every Monday, Tuesday and Friday. They gonna come on at the same time. Okay, boom, let's lock that in. And so that's, that's basically how you do it. But you have to be consistent and you can't be afraid. Whatever you say, you have to stand behind it. And look, if you get better information, more information, you're like, okay, this is what I thought. But now more information has come forward and then you move, you move off of that. But I think that's the biggest thing for me is what I've learned is that, look, I know what I know, what I don't know. I'm willing to Ask, and if I'm wrong, I'll say I was wrong in this situation. Let me tell you why I said what I said. But new information has come out, and we move forward.

[B]

So when you first got started, how was that? How was that process? What were you learning through and building through to where you know you're at, where you're at now with your first spot.

[H]

When. When we started Club Shay Shay, Fox wrote it into my contract that I would do a podcast. I had no idea. The only person I knew had a podcast was Joe Rogan. I didn't understand anything about podcasts, anything like that. And so cj, who's my ep, was at Fox, and he was trying to explain it to me. I said, well, all right, we'll do it. And it just so happens the first. First couple of years, we didn't do anything. But then Covet happened, right? And so they wanted an alternative to have people to be able to sit down and have something to watch and not be bored and have the monotony of the day just overtake them. And so I was like, cj, man, I got to start this pod. I mean, what. What are you thinking? I was like, man, who am I? Who am I gonna call? He's like, look in your phone. Call the most famous people that you know and see if they'll come on your podcast. It's gonna be remote, so all you gotta do. I was like, okay. So I'm looking at my phone. I got Floyd Mayweather. I got Snoop Dogg. I got Ice Cube. I got Master P. I got Magic Johnson. I'm like, okay, so. And.

[B]

And.

[H]

And, you know, reached out to gil and. But DeMar DeRozan was the actual first guy that we did it live, because prior to that, everything was. Was. Was.

[B]

Right.

[H]

And we were still. We were getting good numbers. I mean, my brother went on, and he was the first. He was my very first guest, and he did a million views. And I was like, cj, is that good? CJ looked at me like, do you understand? I was like, is that good, cj? He's like, no, that ain't good. That's great. I was like, oh, okay. So I just thought it was easy. And once we got that, because I think the thing is that I always ask the guests, is there anything that you don't want to talk about? And in the process of asking them, that I believe, because if you're sitting on that couch, I believe you have a career that's. That's expansive enough and that span long enough that we can talk about things. That's not your most salacious or most embarrassing detail, and you still have a very interesting story to tell.

[G]

Gotcha.

[H]

And so that's how I look at that nightcap, is that when I. When I was leaving, when I left Undisputed, I went. I went to the volume. And the thing I love about Club Che Shay is weekly. But it's just hard to get around something that's weekly. YouTube. It rewards frequency. So I needed something that we could do, you know, two, three times a week. And so Jamie Horowitz and I, who was at the volume, he's like, so what do you think about this? He says, you can own a space that nobody's in. I was like, okay, what kind of space is that? He said, have you thought about potentially make, you know, after games? I was like, yeah, I like that.

[B]

I like that.

[H]

Yeah, that sounds good. I said, we'll.

[G]

Come on.

[H]

We'll do like 30 minutes. We'll take the three or the four most important games and we'll discuss them. I was like, okay, yeah, I like that. He said, you want to do it? But I said, nah, I don't want to do it by myself. He said, who would you want to do it with? I said, Ocho. Instantly, he said, chad Johnson?

[B]

Yeah.

[H]

I said, yeah. He said, why? I said, because he's unassuming. I said, he doesn't take himself too serious. And he's the direct. He's the antithesis of what I am. He don't take anything serious. I take everything serious. So it. It's going to work because of his personality and my personality. And it just so happens that his. His agent used to work with my agent in the office. So I called him, I said, doug, man, what Ocho doing, he's like, man, it's funny that you say that. Ocho's in town right now. I said, can you. Can you guys meet us at the Palm? Say, I think this was like a. Like a Wednesday or Thursday. Can you meet us at the Palm and say one o'? Clock? He's like, yeah, no problem. So he shows up, and I'm telling him what I'm trying to do. I said, man, look here, check this out. I got this idea. Jamie and I, we got this idea. I said, what we. What we would do is that after the game, after the Sunday night football game, after the Monday night football game, we would go live and we would talk about Sunday. Obviously, Sunday night, there's a lot more to talk about, but we talk about all the Games and, And interesting stories. And he's like. I mean, I said, bro, I just, I didn't tell you the rest of. He said, I don't care. He said, uncle, if you're doing it, I want to be a part of it. And the rest of that, they say, is history.

[F]

That's so good. That makes sense.

[B]

Yeah, definitely.

[H]

But, but that, but that's the thing. I think the thing is, is that it's really hard. I take my hat off to Colin because Colin, for the most part, speaks three hours every day. And it's basically him. He bounces things off Jason occasionally, but for him to talk three hours a day by himself, Me, I want to. I want a different person. I want a different perspective. Okay, this is what I think. What do you think?

[F]

Yes.

[H]

And then we go back and forth. Sometimes we debate that situation, and sometimes we're like, okay, we're gonna agree to disagree, but for the most part, I need someone to have a, A, A, a, A different perspective. A different perspective, a divergent opinion than what I have. Because even though we kind of played the same position, I was a tight end, he was a wide receiver. We see things differently. We see a lot of things differently. I'm, I'm. I'm gonna hold guys accountable and. But I, I realize now as I've gotten older and in this age of, of social media and Internet, these guys are different, man, these guys. But I couldn't, I couldn't feel like it's just too.

[B]

They are.

[H]

But you know what would bother me, Debo and Joe, is that the lateness. The, the, the I cared about winning, all this other brand building and all this other stuff and tick tock videos and all this. And I, And I was talking to someone, I was talking to Sherm last night. I said, sherm, I'm be honest with you, bro. If I was currently playing, ain't no way I'd do a podcast. No, no, not while I'm an active player now. I would be. You know, I would have a general idea of kind of direction that I want to go in, but to have it and to be. Because what happens when you play good, you're going to want to talk it. When you play bad, you ain't got ish to say.

[B]

Now. Now, how much of that podcast is really, truly 100 authentic? Because you're not going to be taking the comments and questions that come from, from the loss, especially things that may be directed towards coaches and ownership and all that, because you're still there.

[H]

Because you know what's good. They gonna say, c, Bo, if you got your ass off that podcast you to play, you're gonna feel some type of way, hey, Joe, you out there getting cooked? Because you'll be happy. Back pedal, watch some tape.

[B]

No question.

[H]

And so that's. That's how it is. And, and. And I think the thing is, look, for the longest time, when I first got into the league in 90, guys had a problem with people critiquing their play that didn't play the game. Game.

[F]

Yes.

[H]

Yeah, Dave. Like, you know what? I don't have somebody problem. Somebody critiquing my game if they played said game. Okay? So now fast forward. We got guys that played the game. We played the game at an elite level.

[B]

We won at a no nothing no more.

[F]

And now we don't know.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. The game is with the game.

[H]

The game is what the game is.

[F]

And that's when I say too. How you say when we know the plays. I'm not trying to say the corner gets beat on this play, but if you get blown coverage, Church, I' ma call it out. Like, that's not. You got to make sure you got your man.

[H]

Exactly.

[F]

They're not being able to take accountability.

[H]

No, they won't. They won't because it's. It's almost like, well, you hating, bro. Have you seen my resume?

[F]

I don't want to hate on your.

[H]

I've seen your resume, and I've seen my resume. Now you tell me why I'm hating. I'm just saying. I'm not saying. And they take everything so personal. I'm not saying you a bad player.

[F]

Yes.

[H]

I'm saying that was a bad play, and you happen to be involved in it 1000%. But they can't take it like that. And so. But I think the thing is, Time told me something very long time ago. He says, when you say something, it stings. It hurts more. Because he said, shannon, you got a gold jacket, you went to pro Bowls. You went to All Pro, and you won Super Bowls. You're just not some arbitrary guy saying. Saying something about said player. So what you say holds more weight. And I was like, you right. You. You, you. You absolutely right. And that's why I stopped speaking on the hall of Fame, because they would take Pro Football hall of Famer says he doesn't think such and such should be in the hall of Fame. That ain't what I said. You asked me a question. I was like, so I just thought. I just stopped speaking when it came to the hall of fame. I'm still going to critique hell out of these players. And I think for the most part, when I run into players, they will tell me, they'll say, you hard, but you fair.

[G]

Yeah.

[H]

And at the end of the day, that's all you can be. You be fair to the individual. It's not personal. I don't know the individual. I don't know this guy. I don't know what he does. I don't know if he's married, he has a girlfriend, he has kids. I don't know anything about. I don't know anything about his back. I'm just critiquing you about what I see on the field. That's how I judge you. I'm judging what you do on the field. I'm not judging you as a father. I'm not judging. Not judging you as a son. I'm not judging you as a brother. I'm judging you as a football player based on my knowledge and based on what I see.

[B]

Yeah. I think they take. They take too much of it personally and it's like an impersonal attack on them. No, it's an attack on what you're doing as a player.

[H]

Correct.

[B]

In that position.

[F]

On that play?

[B]

Yes. On that play or that game, Hell, you might have messed up the whole damn game. You know what I'm saying?

[H]

Well, hopefully you didn't mess up the whole game, man. But guys, I want to congratulate you guys. You guys are doing an unbelievable job, man. It means a lot that you guys, you thought enough of me and my. And my platform and to wanted to have your own platform up under my platform. That means a lot. Continue success. Continue to work hard. And it's only up. The first year is always the hardest. It does get easier and easier, but that. Because it gets easier, that doesn't mean you have to work any less hard. You have to work harder in order for it to grow. And I'm sure you guys are continue this great success. Appreciate you guys.

[F]

Appreciate you, boss.

[B]

Yes, sir.

[F]

Yes, sir.

[B]

Look here, baby. Hey, how you want to run that one? You want to do it right now with the. Let's go, Shay. We thank you for coming on.

[F]

Appreciate you, boss.

[B]

What time we got in the building?

[F]

What we got now?

[B]

9:54.

[H]

What we on?

[B]

We got six minutes. We got time. Switchback over here. We got another one up there.

[F]

Rap, rap. I think it's time to wrap it up. Debo.

[B]

Thank you already. Look here, man.

[F]

Man, we want to thank you.

[B]

Want to thank you guys for coming out here. Look here, let's talk about the game. Who you got?

[H]

You know who I got.

[F]

Seahawks.

[B]

You got Seahawks.

[F]

Seahawks.

[B]

I got New England. They already know where to is.

[F]

Okay, what's your score? 27, 24.

[B]

27, 24. Joe said. Ah, what I'mma go with. I'mma go with the same thing except it's going to be the Patriot.

[F]

Okay, I can respect.

[B]

Ah, look here man. Want to thank y' all for joining on this episode of Debo and Joe. Please, like subscribe and download the show. We'll be back on Monday.

[F]

Yes, yes, yes.

[B]

At the crib, talk about the suit and how the Patriots went on ahead and did everything I said they was gonna do and how Joe once again is gonna be safe. Yeah, Debo, you was right, Joe.

[F]

Go Seahawks.

[B]

And we out.

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