Trevor Jackson Speaks On His Recent Break-Up, Bringing Back Love, & His New Album | Truth After Dark

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Truth After Dark – Trevor Jackson Speaks On His Recent Break-Up, Bringing Back Love, & His New Album

Podcast: Club Shay Shay
Episode: Trevor Jackson Speaks On His Recent Break-Up, Bringing Back Love, & His New Album
Date: November 17, 2025
Guests/Hosts: Trevor Jackson, Azar Faraday (host), Paul Pierce (co-host)

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Episode Overview

This intimate episode of "Truth After Dark" features actor, singer, and musician Trevor Jackson, known for "Grown-ish" and "Grey’s Anatomy", discussing the inspiring journey behind his new breakup album "I Love You Goodbye." In a raw, candid roundtable, Trevor shares revealing details of his recent six-year relationship's end, how pain and vulnerability inform his creativity, healing generational masculinity, and ambitions to bring real love back into R&B and pop culture. Joined by hosts Azar Faraday and NBA legend Paul Pierce, the conversation moves fluidly from personal heartbreak to honest commentary on relationships, creative process, emotional maturity—and even the generational shifts in how men and women process love.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Break-Up and Emotional Aftermath

• Creative Fuel from Pain: Trevor uses the pain of his recent breakup after six years as emotional fuel for his new music, determined to let go and help others heal.

  • “It feels like there’s a weight lifted… I want to be able to move forward in life and not have this thing that I made in a place of healing… still resting on me.” (04:39)

• Resilience and Reflection: He admits to holding onto the relationship longer than he should ("trying to put a triangle in a circle"), grateful in retrospect for lessons and music produced.

  • “Even when I maybe knew it wasn’t the right thing, just because I’m that type of person… to my own detriment in this situation.” (05:38)

• End of the Relationship: Trevor shares that his ex broke up with him, and reflects with grace on emotional accountability and learning.

2. Men’s Vulnerability & Generational Change

• Communication & Emotional Growth: Trevor contrasts increased male vulnerability in younger generations with the stoicism of older men. He credits the benefit of discussing feelings for mental health.

  • “They just weren’t gifted that space... There were so many other things that we had to overcome... I can't be worried about this thing. Even if my heart hurts a little bit, I don't have room.” (08:56)
  • “My dad now is crying more than he ever has. He's like, son, what's wrong with me? I said, dad, you've held in for 50 something years.” (09:59)

• Balance and Resilience: Trevor stresses the need for a gentle balance: resilience, but also space for vulnerability.

3. Love, Accountability, and Gender Dynamics

• Breakup Initiation: Azar and Paul debate who typically ends relationships, agreeing women often leave but both genders can emotionally detach first.
• Communication in Relationships: Trevor emphasizes over-communication as key to avoiding petty misunderstandings.

4. Songs Inspired by Real Life:

• "Kept It" Song & Abortion: Trevor discusses his song about an abortion experience, sharing the toll such choices take on both partners, and intentionally bringing a rarely heard male perspective.
  • “It wasn’t easy… I think we did the right thing… But these are just the honest feelings that go through someone’s head.” (12:28, 13:33)

5. Grieving: Breakups vs Loss

• Breakups as Unique Pain: Azar shares why she finds breakups harder than death—the person is still there. Trevor respectfully disagrees, “Death is…even worse because they're gone.” (13:51–14:04)

6. The Creative Process: Music vs. Acting

• Trevor’s Passion for Music: While he loves both, music is his true self-expression, whereas acting communicates through someone else’s words.

  • “Music… it’s mine… If people a million years from now wanted to know who I was, you would listen to my music.” (15:14)

• Losing Himself in Roles: Trevor talks about method acting, especially in “Burning Sands,” and admires actors who completely transform for their roles.

  • “You have to go through something” to deeply know if someone loves you. (31:05)

7. Love, Intimacy, and Materialism

• Can You Tell If Someone Loves You for You? Trevor reveals he avoids gift-giving early in relationships to prevent materialism, focusing on genuine connection.
  • “If that stuff stops coming, then you leave… and I’ve seen it happen.” (30:44)

8. Sacrifice, Compromise, and Growth

• Compromise vs Sacrifice: The team discusses the difference between healthy compromise and harmful self-abandonment in relationships.
  • “Compromise is: I’ll sleep with you in the bed with the TV on even though I hate that. Sacrifice is changing the core of who I really am. I don’t believe you should sacrifice in a relationship because that leads to resentment.” (43:53, Azar Faraday)
• Evolving with the Right Person:
  • "The right person...won't let you live any lower than yourself." (45:05)

9. Masculinity, Femininity & Double Standards

• Masculine Women & Sassy Men: The hosts dissect how successful women are labeled masculine and sensitive men called "sassy."
  • “Women, we get that when we're successful, strong. Men get they're being sassy and feminine now when they say how they feel.” (50:21, Azar & Trevor)

10. Bringing Real Love Back in Music

• Cultural Impact of Music: Trevor critiques modern music for promoting unhealthy relationship values, vowing to bring love back into popular R&B. He notes country music’s family values and aspires to that depth.
  • “It's all agenda based… If they're Black, let's make sure that we keep the shit going… We want to keep only one mom in the household. We want the dad to be… that is perpetuated by the music.” (53:03)
  • “I'm here to bring it back. Even in the breakup albums, you hear the love... It's not ‘af. you bitch.’ I'm sick... I'm dead. That's how I felt.” (58:39)
• Process Behind His Album: The heartbreak, timing, and deep intention poured into his album "I Love You, Goodbye."
  • “That's the last thing she said to me on the phone. That's why the album's called that.” (33:48)

11. Role Models and Validation

• Industry Recognitions: Trevor shares how Boys II Men and Genuine recognized his talent—vital validation that keeps him motivated.
  • “To hear that from them… I didn't need nobody else to say it. Boys II Men.” (55:23)

12. Lightning-Round: One-Word Relationship Questions

(Timestamps approximate)

• Why do men cheat?
  • Trevor: "Freedom" (60:48)
  • Azar: "Ego" (60:51)
• Why do women cheat?
  • Trevor: "Revenge" (61:04)
• What scares you most in love?
  • Trevor: "Leaving" (61:17)
• What makes you lose feelings?
  • Paul: "Disrespect" (61:32)
  • Trevor: "Lack of consideration" (61:34)
• One word to describe the album?
  • Trevor: "Rebirth" (62:05)
• If God could text you:
  • Trevor: "Stay the course." (62:13)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Healing and Creativity

“If I neglected those thoughts [after the breakup] and allowed myself to feel those things, I would be here, but uncomfortably, you feel me.”
— Trevor Jackson (13:34)

On Generational Change

“My dad now is crying more than he ever has. He's like, son, what's wrong with me? I said, dad, you've held in for 50 something years. What you expect?”
— Trevor Jackson (09:59)

On What True Love Looks Like

“The right person…won’t let you live any lower than yourself.”
— Trevor Jackson (45:05)

On the Impact of Music & Culture

“It’s all agenda-based… [In pop] it’s very family oriented. It’s very husband, wife, can’t wait to get home to my kids type records. I think that’s something that’s missing… That’s what I want to bring back.”
— Trevor Jackson (53:03)

On Staying True to His Craft

“If people a million years from now wanted to know who I was, you would listen to my music.”
— Trevor Jackson (15:14)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Breakup and creative process: 04:13–06:09
• Generational trauma and men’s vulnerability: 08:56–09:59
• Discussing "Kept It" & abortion: 12:15–13:45
• Acting vs Music passion: 15:14–17:51
• Gifts and genuine connection in relationships: 29:04–30:44
• Compromise vs sacrifice: 43:53–45:05
• Masculinity/femininity double standards: 50:21–51:10
• Industry validation—Boys II Men: 54:30–55:54
• Lightning round questions: 60:39–62:18

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Final Thoughts

The episode is a testament to the power of vulnerability, artistic healing, and honest conversation about modern love. Trevor Jackson is candid about his heartbreak, creative process, and desire to “bring love back” to the music industry. The hosts foster an environment for raw, multi-generational perspectives on relationships and masculinity, all while keeping the dialogue playful, sharp, and relatable.

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Listen if you want: A thoughtful, unfiltered take on breakups, growth, creative inspiration from pain, how love and gender roles are evolving, and the real energy behind Trevor Jackson’s powerful new album.

Transcript

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[Paul Pierce]

What point did you say like, she ain't. She loves me for me. Like, like what? What had to happen?

[Trevor Jackson]

We got to see cuz I don't.

[Paul Pierce]

Hey man, has your ex texted you since this song? Has hearing since hearing it?

[Azar Faraday]

No, no, she hasn't.

[Trevor Jackson]

No, no, no.

[Azar Faraday]

I'm definitely reaching out. Like wow, you writing all this shit about me.

[Paul Pierce]

Guys, we don't want to break up. I generally don't want to break up.

[Azar Faraday]

Women don't want to break up either, but unfortunately we're pushed to that at one point and I want to make.

[Trevor Jackson]

Sure that a lot of older men understand that. My dad is one of those people. This is an older man. I know a lot of people that she be on his head.

[Azar Faraday]

No, he's on me. I have to get him back. He calls me an old.

[Paul Pierce]

I do that.

[Trevor Jackson]

No one watches this and says she's not feminine. No, we do.

[Azar Faraday]

No, they do. They come for me all the time.

[Trevor Jackson]

Well, don't listen to those people.

[Paul Pierce]

Don't listen to those people. Damn.

[Azar Faraday]

Well, you're the one saying it.

[Trevor Jackson]

All the things.

[Paul Pierce]

Don't say it.

[Trevor Jackson]

He didn't say. He just said strong, strong voice.

[Azar Faraday]

This is blowing me. Stop doing this though. This is blowing me. This right here is like what in the.

[Trevor Jackson]

You got to do it now.

[Paul Pierce]

Well, this is the symbol for strong.

[Azar Faraday]

Like, this is blowing me. Stop this like, I'm not g Bodybuilder.

[Paul Pierce]

This is the taking over the game. All right, everybody. Welcome to Truth After Dark.

[Azar Faraday]

Do you think that men or women are more toxic? Hello, beautiful people. Welcome to another episode of the Truth After Dark. I'm your host, Azar Faraday.

[Paul Pierce]

And I'm your boy, Paul Pierce. The truth.

[Azar Faraday]

The truth. And tonight we are joined by an incredible actor with an incredible voice. You've seen him on Grownish, You've seen him on Grey's Anatomy, and he just dropped the EP I love you Goodbye. With a breakup album on the way that everyone's waiting on, please welcome Trevor Jackson. This episode is also sponsored by the Aura House at or House Club. Please make sure you guys follow them, and if you have any podcast filming needs, you can check them out. All their information will be below.

[Paul Pierce]

Definitely.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah. We're super excited to have you. So you have a new album that's coming out.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yes.

[Azar Faraday]

In about, like a week or so, right? Nine days.

[Paul Pierce]

Yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

So how are you feeling? I know that it's a breakup album, right?

[Trevor Jackson]

Yes.

[Azar Faraday]

So, yeah, like, we gotta get into this.

[Advertisement Voice]

Okay.

[Azar Faraday]

Because, you know something. Yeah, of course, of course. I feel like to be creative, you have to have that pain a little bit.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm excited about it. It feels like there's a weight lifted. You know, I have other music that I have done, but I was like, I want to be able to move forward in life and not have this thing that I made in a place of healing, you know, still resting on me. So the fact that I get to put it out into the world and could potentially, you know, help somebody through their breakup or whatever. Yeah. Then my job is done, you know, so.

[Azar Faraday]

Okay. Can you talk to us about the breakup a little bit?

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah, I guess it just. It just didn't work. You know what I mean? I think we were just two people, young, trying to make something work that just didn't, you know, trying to put a triangle in a circle, you know? I mean, like, it just. It didn't work and, you know, it ended. She broke up with me, which is, you know, it's fine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

Women always break up.

[Paul Pierce]

We always say, men don't break up with women.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

Women usually do the breaking up, but men will do a lot of shit to make her break up.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

And that's the truth. How long were you guys together?

[Trevor Jackson]

About six years.

[Azar Faraday]

Oh, that's a minute. Were you holding on and fighting for it.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah. I think even when I maybe knew it wasn't the right thing, just because I'm that type of person, like, my whole life, I've had to just kind of, you know, swallow my pride and just, you know, even every. If everything doesn't fall perfectly into a line, I still know how to work through and push through. And I think that was also to my own detriment in this situation. You know, I'm just like, I want it to work. I want it to be right, you know? And, you know, you live, you learn, and you. I'm thankful for it. You know what I'm saying? Where I'm at now, I would go through it a billion times. Again, I was able to create some incredible music, and I think, again, I'll be able to help a lot of people through a tough time.

[Paul Pierce]

See, that's what I'm talking about. I've been through that before. I've been through a long relationship breakup. Like, the first girl I was with, I was with, like, seven, eight years, and I felt like it was over three years before actually ended.

[Trevor Jackson]

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

[Paul Pierce]

But you try to make it work because, like. Like you said, like, we say, guys, we don't want to break up. I generally don't want to break up.

[Azar Faraday]

Women don't want to break up either, but unfortunately, we're pushed to.

[Paul Pierce]

That at one point, pushes a woman to break.

[Azar Faraday]

I would probably say final straw. I would probably say that there isn't a specific final straw. I think women check out emotionally far before the relationship ends. Men probably do the same thing. But I think it just. For women, it's like, for me, I'm just like, that. I'm holding on. I'm trying so hard. And then eventually, you're just like, damn. Like, I can't keep doing this.

[Paul Pierce]

I got one question, because we talked about this. Did you. Did y' all live together for a.

[Trevor Jackson]

Period of time, but not, like, actually, you know, I mean, it was like, you know, she'd say over for, like, months at a time or then, you know, during pandemic time.

[Paul Pierce]

What do you think about. If you're like, say, during the pandemic, if you slept on the couch or. She slept.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah, we talked about.

[Paul Pierce]

Is that.

[Trevor Jackson]

What do you mean?

[Paul Pierce]

Like, if you just was like, all right, y' all usually sleep in the bed together.

[Trevor Jackson]

Oh, oh, oh.

[Paul Pierce]

But you just slept on the couch. Is.

[Trevor Jackson]

That's weird.

[Azar Faraday]

You think that.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

We just had this conversation.

[Trevor Jackson]

Now, I think also I'm huge on communication. Like, I'm an over communicator. Right. Because I want there to be clarity. And, you know, I've learned my lesson from not communicating. So if I am wanting to sleep on the couch, I will make sure the person knows, hey, this isn't because I want to be far from you. This isn't because, you know, I'll make sure that I explain it properly. To where it's like, hey, I just want to have a night on the couch and watch me a little movie loud. I know you're trying to sleep. I'm just trying to maybe. You know what I mean? I'm just trying to chill and relax and want to be able to be, you know, But I would never just do that. Now I've been on the other end where people may just do stuff and not communicate. I'm like, what the is that? Like, why are you. You couldn't tell me? And, oh, it's fine. I just want. Okay. But as your partner, I feel like I'm old. That the communication, especially if we're always. If we're always, you know, sleeping together, I'm old communication.

[Azar Faraday]

You know what? I feel like the younger generation, because. How old are you? 29.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah, 29.

[Azar Faraday]

I feel like the younger generation of men, like, G herbo, he's your same age. He came on here. You guys are more vulnerable and, like, communicative.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

And like, very open. I think older generations are not that way because it was more stigmatized.

[Trevor Jackson]

And also, they couldn't be. They didn't have the space to be. And I want to make sure that a lot of older men understand that. My dad is one of those people. This is an older man. I know a lot of people that she be on his head.

[Azar Faraday]

No, he's on me. I have to get him back. He calls me an older woman every.

[Paul Pierce]

Time I do that to.

[Trevor Jackson]

Her.

[Paul Pierce]

I'm letting her get her shot.

[Azar Faraday]

He does it to me all the time.

[Trevor Jackson]

But I think that they just weren't gifted that space. And a lot of people blame them and throw a lot of shade their way. And it's like, if you were in that place, there just wasn't room for that. There were so many other things that we had to overcome. It's like, I can't be worried about this thing. Even if my heart hurts a little bit, I don't have room. I got to carry this family. I got to carry this situation. And so, yeah, there's not a lot of space. And I think now it's been a lot more accepted. And we're seeing the benefits of how sharing your feelings can, you know, improve your mental health and your peace and all these things. So. Yeah, I agree, but I think it's because of the time.

[Paul Pierce]

Yeah, he's absolutely right. The times. Because, like, as, like me as an older man like you, you said, like, us growing up, we had to, like, shoulder, like, being. Being a tough guy. You can't show emotion. You know, we got. We looked upon as that rock for the family, and it was frowned upon if you showed a little emotion or you cried. Man up.

[Trevor Jackson]

Man up, man up.

[Azar Faraday]

It was like, man up.

[Paul Pierce]

You get punched in the chest. If you a kid. Like now it's just like more outlets for it. And it's like. It's like a. It's like a freedom. It's like. Like an emotional freedom.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah. My dad now is crying more than he ever has. He's like, son, what's wrong with me? I said, dad, you've held in for 50 something years. What you expect? You know? So now everything that happens and he gets a little tear. He's like. He's like, oh, no, I'll be like this. I'm like, dad, you spent your whole life not crying. And I always think I push him. Like, one time I said, dad, sit in your car. I'm gonna send you a song. Just lay the. Lay your seat back and listen to this song. And he called me back. He's like, why'd you do that? So I was like, because you needed to let that. Whatever. I don't know what he was going with, but I was like. Because I was in the car that day and I listened to it. I was crying while I was driving. I was like, wow. And I said to my dad, I was like, in case you need this, you know, and he did it. And there's just a lot of healing in that, bro. There's a lot of healing. But I also think there's a balance where I do think some younger generations, like, younger than me, they don't have enough of a get that, carry that. Because, you know, me being in doing the things I've done for as long as I can, I could have a trillion times given up. I could have a trillion times not. But because I was kind of raised with a little bit of both, you know, I feel like there was a time where it was like, I don't care how you're feeling about that. You have to get this done. There's no. There's not. Like, what can you, it's like, what you, what must you do? You know, And I had to look at my life like that. So I think it's a gentle balance. But I do think now I think there's a lot of people who, I'm just like, you're, you're crying over that, you're giving up over that or, you.

[Azar Faraday]

Know, they're not resilient. Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

And I think there's definitely a, a change in the generation.

[Paul Pierce]

Okay, I got a question. What makes you laugh? What makes you smile? What makes you cry?

[Trevor Jackson]

Come on, that's a loaded question. Only because, only because I'm so, like, I love so many things. Like I could laugh at a baby, you know, falling down and like jokingly obviously not dying or the baby hurting themselves, but like, you know, or a baby surprise themselves or a dog doing so I have two dogs and I love comedy, so maybe a stand up comedy show. What makes me cry? Probably the same thing. Seeing a baby or like a dad and a son having a good talk. You know what I mean? I probably would cry some shit like that. I'm a crybaby. I love it.

[Paul Pierce]

It's.

[Trevor Jackson]

It's. Yeah, it feels good. Feels good.

[Azar Faraday]

Okay, and what was the other one? Cry, laugh, laugh.

[Paul Pierce]

And one more laugh.

[Azar Faraday]

Smile, oh, smile, oh, smile.

[Paul Pierce]

If you're just sitting there on the couch and you just start thinking of this, you just like being a dad. Damn.

[Azar Faraday]

Okay. And you are not a dad yet.

[Trevor Jackson]

Correct. Okay, but I want, I want like four kids.

[Azar Faraday]

Four kids.

[Trevor Jackson]

Okay.

[Azar Faraday]

I love that.

[Trevor Jackson]

That's one of my main goals in life is just to be a good dad.

[Azar Faraday]

So speaking of being a dad, you have a song on your ep, called Kept it. So is that about a woman having an abortion?

[Trevor Jackson]

Yes.

[Azar Faraday]

Okay, so you've been through that?

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah, I have. It wasn't easy.

[Azar Faraday]

You know, a lot of people neglect the man's feelings.

[Trevor Jackson]

I agree.

[Azar Faraday]

Portion happens.

[Trevor Jackson]

I agree.

[Azar Faraday]

Was it a mutual decision that you guys both did?

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah, it's funny you said that. It was a. That what you just said was like the first sentence of the second verse was a growing up decision that we both had to make.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah, you did say that. I do remember that.

[Trevor Jackson]

That's just funny that. But yeah, exactly. It was a thing that we both had to make. And like looking back on it now, I think we did the right thing. That's also in so. But it's true. It's like. But I think the whole song, it was off of my experience, but also a friend of mine who had said something like to me, when we were, like, talking, and he was like, sometimes it makes you feel like you wish you just. I was like, wait, what? I was like, yeah, right. Because you can still see him. Even if it's. It's like they may not be with you, but they're around. And it's like, maybe that's selfish. Maybe that's whatever. But these are just the honest feelings that go through someone's head. And it's like everything that someone thinks isn't what they do and isn't who they are. But I think going through that thought process is important. That's why I put all of these songs on this album, because they're all different ideas or thoughts I may have had. I may not have acted on all these things, but I had to go through all of these to get to boom. You know what I'm saying?

[Azar Faraday]

Where I'm at now.

[Trevor Jackson]

But if I. If I neglected those thoughts and allowed myself to feel those things, I would be here, but uncomfortably, you feel me. So, like.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah. I feel like breakups, to me, are sometimes harder than death because the person is still there. You know, it's very, very hard. I hate it.

[Trevor Jackson]

I think I feel slightly differently. I don't know. I feel like death is.

[Azar Faraday]

It's like, even worse because they're gone.

[Trevor Jackson]

They're gone, like, forever. And I'm only saying that because, you know, I mean. But I get what you mean. Maybe in relationship stance. Yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

I get both. Like, I've been through both.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

And I know they're both really hard, but with the breakup, it's like, you know, this person is still there. You're just not with them. It just hurts. It's. I hate breakups. Like, I'd rather go through anything else.

[Paul Pierce]

Has Text texted you since this song? Has here. Since hearing it? No.

[Azar Faraday]

No, she hasn't.

[Trevor Jackson]

No, no, no.

[Azar Faraday]

I'm definitely reaching out. Like, wow, you writing all this about.

[Trevor Jackson]

Me, but it's not just my story. Right. You know, there's. So this is for everybody. You know what I mean? This is. I know a lot of people who have been through this situation, and I haven't heard it come from a male's perspective. And I felt a certain way about it, and I wanted to write about it, you know, but, yeah, it was a difficult thing. I called my pastor. You know, I had him pray over me and her and, you know, trying to figure out what to do. And, you know, even after it was done, I remember being in the car looking out the window and, like, trying not to Break down. Cause I didn't want this person to break down. But I'm like, damn, you know what I mean? Understanding, you know, the depth of it all. And, hey, man. Never an easy thing to navigate. But. But I'm definitely glad music is there for me. Cause I can always. I lean into it. Whenever I go through stuff in life, I just lean in. I lean in.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah.

[Paul Pierce]

What do you love more? Creating music or acting?

[Trevor Jackson]

I'd say music only because it's mine. It's. It's so. It's so me that it's going to be the most. It's going to be the closest thing to me. If people a million years from now wanted to know who I was, you would listen to my music. Now when I'm acting, I'm taking somebody else and trying to make them, you know, believable as. As me. Right. I'm taking someone else's words. I'm taking another character, and I'm diving into that. And when I'm writing, it's. The words are mine, the stories are mine, and even the harmony is the way I cut myself, I engineer myself. So it's like all of it is me.

[Paul Pierce]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

Even in the, you know, the quickness to how I work. Like.

[Paul Pierce]

Yeah, that makes sense, because I know you. You have a passion for both.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. They both have saved me.

[Paul Pierce]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

You know, I say this story every time. So I may sound like a broken record, but, like, there have been times where I go to set and maybe, like, you know, let's say I didn't read the script the day before, whatever, and I show up. But the day before I went through a breakup and I get to set in the scenes about me breaking up somebody, you know, like. And I had said the words that I'm saying in the script the day before, not knowing I had this to do. So, like, they both have just showed up kind of, like, spiritually in my life and have been like, hey, this is for you. This is to help you. This is to, you know, process.

[Paul Pierce]

Have you ever lost yourself in a role? Like, and what I mean by that, like, you just find yourself becoming that person.

[Trevor Jackson]

I'd say Burning Sands was probably the closest I felt to, like, a little bit out of myself. I just. Yeah, I played a guy in a fraternity, and I just really was trying to deprive myself of sleep and just go through, you know, some of those things that were happening. And I was committing to that, you know, And I. I just noticed it, even when I came back from filming, that people That I knew they were like, yo, you're a little different. You ain't the same. Look. Even look a little different, you know, and it's not like I've changed drastically. But, you know, going through that process, I definitely grew as an actor, as a man. But also I did experience that kind of like, whoa, this is a different, different body.

[Paul Pierce]

Do you have to see somebody? Do you have to talk to? Like, what is it, a psychiatrist, a.

[Trevor Jackson]

Therapist, or a psychologist? Yeah, I do go to therapy. I love therapy. I think everyone should do it. I think it's very positive. But it wasn't to that extreme. You know, I wasn't like, hey, I need help getting out of here. Like, I'm in this room and I can't. It wasn't that. But. But guess what? I do. I don't want to wish that on myself, but I do want to get into that space of a role that I feel that way, you know, Like, I really want to go. I always want to push myself in whatever I'm doing. So whether that's music or acting, I'm like, what's the next thing? What's the next level? How can I go harder? How can I be better? And I think actors like Joaquin Phoenix, actors like Leonardo, like, you know, Daniel Day Lewis, these guys switch. Sean Penn, they switch. They turn into. And I want that. I want to watch a movie and be like, that ain't Trev.

[Azar Faraday]

Even Lady Gaga does that.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

I feel like it's method acting. Right? Just becoming a whole different person. Denzel, like, there's a lot.

[Trevor Jackson]

Denzel's great. Yeah.

[Paul Pierce]

But you gotta understand some of the characters, he said they've been in dark places.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Paul Pierce]

They went into some dark. Three actors, he said, have played some dark characters.

[Trevor Jackson]

They're cold, though. They're cold, you know, and it's like they sacrifice, you know, sometimes. Sometimes you do. I think it's important to pray over yourself, whatever you do, you know, I mean, cover yourself. But some people don't, you know, I mean. And good. Dive into a space and be like, hey, what's kind of running this, you know, ship?

[Paul Pierce]

And you got to.

[Azar Faraday]

But, you know, Lady Gaga, when she played in House of Gucci, said that she, like, lost herself. She didn't know who the fuck she was. That movie was so good.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

And she was it. We had dark things, and she said she thought she was that person. Like, she lived that person every day, you know? Like, that's crazy.

[Trevor Jackson]

Jim Carrey did that for that one comedian. I forget his Name. Forgive me, but Jim Carrey played a comedian and something, and there's a whole documentary about that on Netflix, which is pretty interesting. I love Jim Carrey in general. I think he's. Yeah, he's intuitive, dude. But the documentary was dope.

[Azar Faraday]

So top five actors, what would you say?

[Paul Pierce]

Oh.

[Trevor Jackson]

I always have. Look, I always have this because I have my top 10 actors in here.

[Azar Faraday]

Okay.

[Trevor Jackson]

I watch this thing every day, and I'm always like, okay, top 10.

[Azar Faraday]

Hold on. We talk about this all the time.

[Trevor Jackson]

Okay. Okay. Top five is hard. Okay. But I'm gonna try and break this down.

[Azar Faraday]

Okay.

[Trevor Jackson]

I'm gonna try and break this down into only five. You're only giving me five of all time. Favorite actors of all time. Okay. Denzel.

[Azar Faraday]

Yes.

[Trevor Jackson]

Okay. Denzel. Daniel Day Lewis.

[Paul Pierce]

I was going to say that.

[Trevor Jackson]

Colin Farrell. Oh, wow.

[Paul Pierce]

Okay.

[Trevor Jackson]

How many is that?

[Paul Pierce]

Three.

[Azar Faraday]

Three.

[Paul Pierce]

Oh, Daniel Day is good.

[Trevor Jackson]

Colin Farrell. I'm gonna give Sean Penn up in there.

[Azar Faraday]

Okay.

[Trevor Jackson]

Sean and I want to split the last one between Leonardo and Shia buffalo. Wow.

[Azar Faraday]

Shia LaBeouf.

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Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

He's up there for me.

[Azar Faraday]

He's up there for me.

[Trevor Jackson]

He's top five.

[Azar Faraday]

Really? Okay.

[Trevor Jackson]

I might have said six to cheat a little bit. I got. I got six in there.

[Azar Faraday]

Do you know who Shia LaBeouf is?

[Trevor Jackson]

Yes. You do? Transformers.

[Paul Pierce]

Yeah. Yes.

[Trevor Jackson]

Transformer movies.

[Paul Pierce]

Yes.

[Trevor Jackson]

And every. I mean, he's. He's a Piece bro.

[Paul Pierce]

Yeah, yeah, he's a.

[Trevor Jackson]

And he's somebody. So he's one of my heroes that I got to, like, work closely with. You know, in life when you're like, hey, man, this person, right? And I got to work with him.

[Paul Pierce]

We.

[Trevor Jackson]

The movie didn't end up coming out. We didn't filming it, but we rehearsed for it a bit. And he was one of the most inspiring. That was one of the most inspiring encounters I've had as an actor because I admire him so much, but I didn't know his process. And to see how extensive his process is and how seriously he takes it and gets into it, I'm like, oh, I had a whole new level of respect, but I loved him since, you know, even Stevens hoes. But then you got Lawless. His performance in Lawless, honey boy, like peanut butter Falcon.

[Azar Faraday]

I've never seen anybody.

[Trevor Jackson]

This guy's a. I mean, he's a monster. And all the Transformers.

[Paul Pierce]

Also.

[Azar Faraday]

My top five is Denzel.

[Paul Pierce]

Yep.

[Azar Faraday]

Leonardo.

[Paul Pierce]

Yep.

[Azar Faraday]

Brad Pitt.

[Trevor Jackson]

Okay.

[Azar Faraday]

Because I love Fight Club Classic. Viola Davis. And damn, I can't remember my last one. You go, I have to think about it. All right.

[Paul Pierce]

I got. I guess the consensus amongst us is Denzel.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Paul Pierce]

All right, so I got Denzel. I also got Johnny Depp.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

Oh, good one.

[Azar Faraday]

That was a good one.

[Trevor Jackson]

That's a good one.

[Azar Faraday]

I know he has one like a.

[Paul Pierce]

Couple movies that he's Blow.

[Trevor Jackson]

You love Low parts of the Caribbean Factory in Las Vegas.

[Paul Pierce]

Definitely. I got Leonardo's in there too.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah, Leonardo, that's another one Consistent.

[Paul Pierce]

I have to say. Eddie Murphy, man.

[Trevor Jackson]

Up there. Up there.

[Paul Pierce]

Eddie Murphy up there. Like, he plays. Because he plays so many different roles. Like the lover boy. He played like the comedian. He played the cop.

[Trevor Jackson]

I think comedians deserve a category in. In having a Oscar because I think comedy is actually, to me, a little bit more difficult than drama acting.

[Paul Pierce]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

You know what I'm saying? Will Ferrell's in one of you said top 10. He's in my top 10.

[Paul Pierce]

Will. Okay. Will Ferrell. And then for my fifth one, I'mma go with Nicole Kidman.

[Trevor Jackson]

Cold.

[Paul Pierce]

She's.

[Trevor Jackson]

She cool.

[Paul Pierce]

She's.

[Azar Faraday]

You had Octavia Spencer on yours last time.

[Trevor Jackson]

He just be switching it.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah, he be switching the hair. The hair one.

[Paul Pierce]

I love Octav. I do.

[Azar Faraday]

Okay. Yeah, those are good. I can't think of my last one at all, so I don't know. I want to give it to like, someone black. Maybe Jamie Fox. Ray.

[Trevor Jackson]

Jamie Fox is amazing. He's amazing.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah, that was. That was. I mean, Ray is.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah, Ray is still one of the.

[Paul Pierce]

Most talented in Hollywood.

[Azar Faraday]

In Hollywood. Wow. That's a strong statement.

[Paul Pierce]

Cuz the singing and acting and performing on stage and hosting. He got. Like, he has no weaknesses.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Paul Pierce]

Like, Jamie has had no weaknesses.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah, he's.

[Trevor Jackson]

He's definitely one of the, you know, one of the few that can do it all.

[Paul Pierce]

Like, he can do any role and do it well. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Azar Faraday]

So, okay, so back to back. No, no, I love that. I love that. But no, I know that acting is not easy.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah, no, not at all.

[Azar Faraday]

And you've been acting for a long time. Since you were young, right?

[Trevor Jackson]

Since I was seven years old.

[Azar Faraday]

Wow. Wow. I acted too, as I'm not successful at it, but I was definitely.

[Trevor Jackson]

Because you didn't keep going.

[Azar Faraday]

If you keep going. I was incomplete. Commercials and everything she play. But I can't sing. I think being a singer and an actor is a just. You're a triple threat. Double threat, whatever you call it. So is it true that you and Zendaya were in a relationship? Yes or no?

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Y.

[Paul Pierce]

No.

[Trevor Jackson]

No. Dear friends we're dear friends. Okay.

[Azar Faraday]

Good friends. Never been together. Okay. So the rumors were putting them to rest.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[Azar Faraday]

You're not. It doesn't seem confident, but I'm gonna go with it.

[Trevor Jackson]

Really.

[Azar Faraday]

Okay. So I know that you talked about, like, you know, you've been afraid of being alone.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

So what would you say? The craziest thing you've done to avoid being alone.

[Trevor Jackson]

What I think.

[Paul Pierce]

Ask somebody to be with you. Right.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah, I think. I think someone. I think someone. I think maybe trying to stay in a situation maybe that might be probably.

[Paul Pierce]

Right. Right, right.

[Azar Faraday]

Like just stay in there. Cause you're just.

[Paul Pierce]

Cause, yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

Nobody wants to redo it. Everybody. You know, time is. And you only learn how valuable time is the older you get. Right. When you're young, you kind of don't get it, but it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. I only got. How much time have I just lost my granddaddy? I just. You know what I mean? Now I gotta start. Let's figure it out. You know, I can't really play no more. So, Yeah, I definitely think that's the craziest thing I've done, is maybe just try and try and stay in something and knowing maybe something wasn't right for me or, you know, and I can even go, like, friends, too. Hanging out with friends because you just don't want to be alone. But maybe they aren't the best influences for you. That's been a thing of mine as well.

[Azar Faraday]

That's true.

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So, yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

That's real. I think I learned at an older age, now that I'm an older woman, that being alone, actually staying in a relationship that's not for you is. Is making it. You're gonna more say be alone than not, because it's inevitable that it's gonna end. So now you're just getting older. Time is getting. You know, time keeps going. You're staying in a relationship. You're staying in a relationship. You're afraid to be alone. But the longer you stay, the more likely.

[Trevor Jackson]

Right. Right. That you will be alone because you ain't going to look for someone else.

[Azar Faraday]

Name another relationship actually for you.

[Trevor Jackson]

Right.

[Azar Faraday]

Right. I don't regret any of my relationships. I regret staying longer than I should have because it would have brought me to where I'm supposed to be quicker.

[Trevor Jackson]

So how I feel about that is I don't want to regret any part because maybe in that you staying longer than you should have taught you a.

[Azar Faraday]

Lesson that you wouldn't.

[Trevor Jackson]

You know what I mean?

[Azar Faraday]

It's hard because it's like, it's true.

[Trevor Jackson]

It's like you can never, if you feel like that, you may never be able to actually have an opinion because it's all relative. But I know what you were saying. Yeah, but I was just saying in general, it's like, yo, you, where you are is because of the things that you've been through and change anything, it may be a little different.

[Azar Faraday]

So a few questions.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yes, please.

[Azar Faraday]

Paul is going viral, per usual. And he said that or in order to know if your woman loves you or not, you should cheat on her. That's how you'll know she loves you.

[Paul Pierce]

What are you.

[Azar Faraday]

Yes, he said to find out if your girl loves you or not, you should cheat on her. I would like to know what your evolve therapy response is.

[Paul Pierce]

All right.

[Azar Faraday]

Don't let him answer before you do your exercise.

[Paul Pierce]

Before it gets taken out of context.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yes.

[Paul Pierce]

I don't believe that a man should intentionally find that out.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah, right.

[Paul Pierce]

Like, and I, I, I said it in the conversation, talking about the men who said I found out unintentionally.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Paul Pierce]

You know, like, damn, she, I guess she really loved me because we didn't been through some.

[Trevor Jackson]

I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying. I know. So here. No, I get it. I get it. So here's what I want to say, right. In response to that. You're taking something that matters a lot. If we take out the cheating, it's something that matters a lot to the partner. Right. From you. Right. She feels a certain way. It's a man cheating. I think whatever the level of intensity that is, if this person can love you through that, for him, like, whether it's cheating, whether it's something like, let's say he said, this really bothers me. Please never do this. Let's not say it's cheating. Let's say it's, I don't know, drove the car and wrecked it, or maybe I had to dui. And this stuff is literally, I would leave you if you did this. Because this matters this much to me and this shows me a sign of mistrust or whatever, and that person does that and he can love you through that. You know, I think it should go both ways. I think it's a hard thing. But what I'm trying to say is.

[Azar Faraday]

You'Re agreeing with him.

[Trevor Jackson]

I'm not agreeing with him. I just think if you really love somebody, there is a way through and that goes both ways. I agree that goes both ways. And I think that the. There's just a lot of tv, there's a lot of movies, there's a lot of stories we hear that kind of tell us how the path should go between men and women. And I think it should go however it works out in your. Your own life, and you get to create your own reality with that. You feel me and go ahead. No, but that was pretty much it. And I'm just saying, like, because there are other things, and for a man that may mean that much, that may matter that much, and we're like, I love you. It's good. You know what I'm saying? And that doesn't. I'm not saying, like, he's saying, don't go out and do it just so she can say that. And no one should do it. Right.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah, I get what you're saying, but.

[Trevor Jackson]

You know what I mean? I think there's a way through, and a lot of people feel like, you do this. You don't love me. And sometimes people aren't perfect or aren't fully grown when you meet them, and it could be reversed in another area of life. You know what I mean? Like, maybe in this area, you aren't as. You get what I mean? I don't know.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah, I get what you're saying.

[Paul Pierce]

All right, so listen to this. You've been a child star in the limelight your whole life.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Paul Pierce]

So you're meeting people, you know, maybe not so based on, like, the stardom. I mean, of course. Handsome guy. You could, you know, attractive. You could get girls to come your way. So at what point did you say, like, she ain't. She loves me for me? Like. Like what. What had to happen.

[Trevor Jackson]

We gotta see. Because I don't.

[Paul Pierce]

Hey, man, you know what I'm saying?

[Trevor Jackson]

I'm gonna say this without saying this fully, because I'm trying to hear the question. I'm trying to answer this properly.

[Paul Pierce]

How do you know?

[Trevor Jackson]

I think, you know, I'm. I'm gonna speak on.

[Paul Pierce]

He trying not get in trouble.

[Trevor Jackson]

I'm trying to speak. I want to say this. I want to say, like, you can think something like, I can have an idea, and then that could be totally flipped on its head. Right. So I feel like I've been in situations where I'm like, no, she would never. It's not that. And find out when we break up. Oh, it was that. I was just another one of that.

[Paul Pierce]

Right.

[Trevor Jackson]

You know, and that's kind of the vibe going on. You know what I'm Feeling. And I'm like, whoa. I'm like, whoa. I thought that, you know, and you can hear it from your brother, you can hear it from your mama, you can hear it from your daddy. I'm like, you guys are wrong. You guys have no idea, right?

[Paul Pierce]

She loves me.

[Trevor Jackson]

She's. She's mine, okay? And we understand each other, all this stuff. And then, you know, life goes on and you start seeing patterns of people. You're like, oh, whoa, whoa. And, and. And almost I was more mad at me because I'm hard on myself in every aspect of my life. You know, as martial arts is acting and singing. I'm trying to be great. I'm like, how could you let this. You know, And I was pissing myself. Or I'm like, trevor, it's okay. You know, you're not a mind reader. You're not. You're not a. But that was a hard pill to swallow because I felt like I had a good gauge on that. You know, I felt like I could tell the difference. And for me, a lot of time when I first started, you know, if I was dating, if I was single or whatever, I'm not a gift giver. That's. That's the first thing I did to ensure that you were here. Because you want to be a runner, okay? You need to. And also, I don't want nothing from you. Hey, we're going to do stuff together and feel like if we spend time together, do we like that? But this gift giving stuff, I've never been this guy. I've been asked, you're not gonna give me back? Absolutely not. Sorry. That's not how I get down. And they'd be like, who? Well, I'm like, it's not like that. It's just, you know, it's what is month one.

[Paul Pierce]

We ain't building it on that.

[Trevor Jackson]

You know what I'm saying? We can't build it on that. Because guess what? If that stuff stops coming, then you leave.

[Azar Faraday]

You know, that's a bar.

[Trevor Jackson]

If that stuff stop coming, you leave. And I've seen it happen. I've seen it happen. People will suck people dry. And then the minute that they're at their lowest or the minute that, you know, they show a human side because they're supposed to be superhumans. And you can understand this, you know, I mean, being I got to be carry everything twice, you know, because of the position that we've been put in in life. It's difficult. Yeah, it's very difficult.

[Paul Pierce]

There's only a lot to carry there's only one way to find out if a woman or a man truly loves you. You have to go through something.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Paul Pierce]

Honestly, like, and it doesn't have to be, like, the cheating things or whatever, but, like, I don't know if it's like, you, You. You dealing with a disease, like cancer, you lose a leg or you in a hospital. I don't. I'm not even saying it has to even be that deep, but there has to be, like, a bump in the road to where you kind of, like, took a step back to realize, like, damn.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Paul Pierce]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

You know, I also say it's an I thing, too, for me. I've noticed, you know, in life, the way people look at me, you know, especially people that are close to me. And I've noticed a difference. Right. Like, maybe I thought something was like, hey, I love you, but really was like, I want to be you. Right. I've seen that before. And I'm like, thinking, oh, like, this person loves me. But it's like, no, they either want to be you or want what you got. You know? I mean, I've kind of maybe felt that. And then when someone does love you, you can see that. I've seen, like, the way someone that looks at me. I can be like, oh, you know, I don't know how to explain that.

[Azar Faraday]

I know exactly what you mean.

[Trevor Jackson]

And I'm telling you, I've only gotten that, like, within the last few years. I'm like, oh, the way she looking at me, I ain't never been looked at, like, oh, you. You want to help you. And, you know, I mean, it's just constantly I care about this creature, this thing I want to be. You know what I mean? And I can see that without her having to say it.

[Azar Faraday]

And do you think that, like, for instance, like someone having, like, being in your position specifically, too. I feel like love can also be determined by the type of woman that you're with. And, like, does she want to help you be better? Does she have your best interest in mind?

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[Azar Faraday]

Is she trying to make you grow? And is she trying to do it even if it's not beneficial to her? You know what I'm saying? Like, there's ways in which, even with me and my relationships, where I can be like, look, I think you should do this even if I know, like, that doesn't really make me feel comfortable.

[Trevor Jackson]

Comfortable, yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

But I know that it will be. That's better.

[Trevor Jackson]

That's called maturity, and that's called strength. A lot of people don't have that. Yeah, that's beautiful. That's. That you think, like, that is actually beautiful. A lot of people are so in their own life, which we all should. Right. We should care about what we're doing. But I'm very big picture oriented, and it's kind of like, effed me over in relationships because I'm like, how are we tripping and talking about this? Like we're on a plan in it. Like, I just think big picture, we're on a plan in the middle of space. There's things that I'm trying to do within the world, trying to shift. I'm trying to put love and life into it. And, you know, so how are we arguing about, like, the way that the thing is, you know what I'm saying? Like, stuff like that. But sometimes I can come off maybe inconsiderate or insensitive in that, but it's just because I'm thinking, you know, big picture, large scale.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense.

[Paul Pierce]

Well, listen. No, I don't know. I just want to go back before we move forward again. No, before we move forward again. Just know he got a album coming out.

[Trevor Jackson]

Oh, thanks, man. Appreciate it.

[Paul Pierce]

I love you, goodbye.

[Trevor Jackson]

That's the last thing she said to me on the phone. That's why the album's called that.

[Paul Pierce]

I love you, goodbye.

[Trevor Jackson]

That was the last thing on the phone. I'll give you. I'll give you a little story. So that's why I kind of wore this shirt. Man of Steel is one of the. The focus tracks on the album. But I wrote it because when I go through any type of emotional or depressing time in life, I'm watching superhero movies. I'm a nerd. That's. We were just talking about video games. You know, you know how I get down. I'm Predator, I'm Superman, all this stuff, right? So I'll watch Batman vs Superman. And she called me for us to have, like, this last kind of conversation. And basically on the phone I was like, look, just, you know, I don't want this, but if there's something you want, I understand. And she kind of went through a whole spiel, and kind of what I took from it was, hey, you can't love me and be this guy that you feel like you have to be for the world. You can't do both, right? And I don't want to stop you from doing it. So I think it's just best. And I was like, all right, if that's you want. Then she's like, all right, I love you. Goodbye. Boom. Right? Go back to watching the movie. The very next scene, Superman walks in the bathroom. Lois Lane is in the bathtub. Superman is like, what's wrong? And Lois Lane's like. She's like, it's impossible. And he's like, for what? She's like, free to love me and still be you. I said, oh. Ran downstairs, told my mom. I was like, look, man, you need to know that this shit. This just happened. You need to make sure that you know this. I didn't just make this shit up. This really just happened to me. And she was like, what? And I went downstairs and made a song called man and Steal. But basically, it's just representing that. It's like I'm supposed to be a man and still so it's hard to say how I feel. I don't want to cry because it makes it real. The world all they see is a man is still the one that they can't kill but they don't know that I die to be your man still. You know what I mean? So it's like, that's the song, but. But that's how it. It came along. And all of the records kind of have that kind of weight to them, you know?

[Paul Pierce]

All right. I just figured out another thing to really find out if a girl or a guy loves you.

[Azar Faraday]

What is it?

[Paul Pierce]

All right, here's another thing. And it's not you have to cheat. You have to be willing to give up something that you probably really enjoyed or love. Compromise for that person.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

Well, isn't most people doing that?

[Trevor Jackson]

No.

[Paul Pierce]

No, people don't do that.

[Azar Faraday]

Well, committing to a relationship. Men like to have sex with women all the time.

[Paul Pierce]

No, don't say this. Say, like, she likes to go to the club all the time, or she was a dancer. She won't give that up.

[Trevor Jackson]

What about even time when she wakes up, she's. But because, you know, we wake up, maybe I don't sleep in as much because I want to wake up and blah, blah, blah. Vice versa, I think. Yeah. A change in habit or something like that.

[Paul Pierce]

Something that I agree. That's another thing to show, like, if she's willing or he's willing to, like, change that.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Paul Pierce]

And, you know, it's kind of like a. Either habit or.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah, for real.

[Paul Pierce]

Habit that you, like, you've been doing your whole life. And they're willing to change.

[Trevor Jackson]

They don't know the strength that it takes for that. It's a lot of strength, right? Yeah, it's a lot of strength. And it's a lot of, like, you're saying love, right? I'm altering this thing, maybe this habit, this part of my life for you. And I feel like sometimes maybe I'm speaking because I'm biased. I'm a man. I feel like for a man, it is like overlooked sometimes.

[Paul Pierce]

Like a man weed every day and he want to be with this girl. He quit smoking weed for her. That's love. Yeah, for sure.

[Trevor Jackson]

I know what you mean. That's for real.

[Paul Pierce]

No, for real. Just something that's a habit and you quit it for that person. That proves love.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah. Okay. Just to be a devil's advocate, because now we're just talking. All right. Could that be something to gain? Something else? If someone is in a race to gain something and the thing they're trying to gain is more important than this thing, they'd have to give up, they easily give that up, right? So let's say. Let's say smoking weed may be her thing, right? But she'll easily stop that because she want to live where she living at. She want to sit where she's sitting at. She want to. And it doesn't even have to be that she loves you. She might love that life more.

[Azar Faraday]

That's very true.

[Trevor Jackson]

I get what you're just throwing a wrench in the.

[Paul Pierce]

Like, like. No, it's true, but like, habits is hard to break. Cuz then. Now if they. Okay, so say they. They. They give it up in front of you, they'll sneak and do it. And then they. If you catch them doing it, that's cheating.

[Trevor Jackson]

Right? I agree. I do agree.

[Paul Pierce]

You know what I'm saying?

[Trevor Jackson]

I do agree with that. Honestly, I do agree with that.

[Azar Faraday]

What have you given up in a relationship?

[Paul Pierce]

Oh, man. So much.

[Azar Faraday]

Do you feel the difference between compromise. Do you feel like there's a difference between compromise and sacrifice?

[Trevor Jackson]

I think men always have to do a little bit more. Honestly, that's my honest opinion. Men always have to do a little bit more compromising.

[Paul Pierce]

A little bit more.

[Trevor Jackson]

And it's not by a lot. It's not like, oh, my God, we just. But it's a little bit more. We got to swallow the pill a little bit more than you guys explain.

[Azar Faraday]

Expand.

[Paul Pierce]

Nah, we. I mean, he's just.

[Trevor Jackson]

True. It's just a little bit more.

[Azar Faraday]

I. Okay, I want to hear why.

[Trevor Jackson]

Okay.

[Paul Pierce]

Because we got more ego too. Like. Yes. That, you know, being the.

[Trevor Jackson]

I think the strength. Yes, I agreed. 100. I think the strength is. Is in that I feel like, you know, I've Been able to be very apologetic and accountable. And I feel like a lot of times, the majority of the times my partner has not been, you know, even over something small. Right. Like, I've done something small, and I'm like, look, I want to apologize to you because I kind of had a bad day, and I'm. I can do that. Right. It's easy for me because I want you to know that you're not the issue. I'm going through something, and I. I allowed that to hang on to you, and I apologize. I've been in situations where that can linger for days, four or five days. And now I'm sorry. Effing. Feeling weird because you. You're having an issue, but you don't know how to communicate that issue to me. And so I got to swallow more pride than you. I gotta. I gotta. And it's because you don't want to maybe, or I don't know. I'm speaking about a multitude of situations, but the consensus I've gotten is I've always had to just kind of. Sorry. All right, yeah, let's go. Because I'm driving the ship. We got to go where I have to go because I'm making the money. Right? We have to go to this thing. We have to go to this event. I can't go to this event, and you have a problem. So I need to clear the problem and make sure that we're straight before we go in here, because I can't have any issues in here. Right. I don't think that, you know, on the other foot, it's. It's. It's the same. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it.

[Azar Faraday]

Do you think that women have a tough time being accountable and apologizing, period?

[Trevor Jackson]

Yes.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

I think everyone does. I think I'm going to say, for me, I think I'm actually a lot better than, you know, some people that I know in terms of just apologizing and owning stuff up and, you know, just trying to get through it, because I've been through so much, and I actually have seen the benefits of it. And I feel like a lot of people who don't do it, so they don't see the benefits of it, but once you do, you're like, oh, if I just do this, we're good.

[Paul Pierce]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

But if I sit up here and I can't speak what's on my mind and I'm mad for the next week, I'm ruining my quality of life. I'm take. I'm wasting My time also. I'm wasting my time because I love you, you love me. We want the same stuff. Why would we spend these four days, four hours being mad? And I'm not saying every issue can be fixed like that. Oh, you just want me to blah, blah. It's like, no, but if I'm hearing what you're saying, I'm understanding it. I'm on your side. I'm not against you. I want to hear what you have to say. I want you to say what you have to say now. What are we gonna do? Right? What are we gonna do now? Like, let's not. So that's a big thing for me when it comes to partners. I can't do the child. Just, you know, that's very hard for me. It's very hard for me to, like, deal because I'm like, I already got.

[Azar Faraday]

Enough on my plate.

[Trevor Jackson]

My brain's gonna explode. The amount of stuff that's in it all the time. So it's like, I need you to. And I've. You know, it's. It's not like a. It's not a horrible thing that I have to deal with, but it's an annoyance. It can be sometimes annoying, but it's. You know, you take the crickets with the straights in life again, that goes back to. There's stuff I don't like, but I've yet to be in a situation where it doesn't exist, which I'm fine with. But it is something that can be agitating sometimes.

[Azar Faraday]

So you mentioned that you have to go to sleep with the TV on because your mind is always loud.

[Trevor Jackson]

Jesus, what the heck?

[Paul Pierce]

What?

[Trevor Jackson]

These questions. Great. Very true. That's a very true savings. You got a projector on the tv.

[Azar Faraday]

So would you compromise that in a relationship if you were with a girl? That's something you can't compromise.

[Trevor Jackson]

I'm not sleeping on dark.

[Azar Faraday]

So the girl. That's a compromise the girl's making. She's like, I'm going to sleep with this man. Even though I hate the TV being on.

[Trevor Jackson]

I hate the tv. Exactly.

[Azar Faraday]

It kills me.

[Trevor Jackson]

Most partners that I've had hate it.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

But I'm like, listen, I'm not going to be able to sleep like it. Because I said, regardless of you.

[Paul Pierce]

The same way.

[Trevor Jackson]

I'm like, the darkness is louder to me than the TV.

[Paul Pierce]

Right?

[Trevor Jackson]

Like, and my TV's blasting. Like, I got. I got the JBL, I got the projector. That mug is blaring in my face. And that's the only way I Can go to sleep. But if it's quiet, I'm like. And it's not like I think something's getting me, but my. Like, the things I'm thinking about is. So I'm like, then I gotta. Right? But if I. If my brain can catch onto the movie, I slowly slip off, Right? And I'm into sleep.

[Paul Pierce]

Damn, that's crazy.

[Trevor Jackson]

That's the only way.

[Paul Pierce]

Like that.

[Trevor Jackson]

That's the only way. And I also. I'm also studying. Whenever I'm watching movies or tv, I'm studying every second.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

And it's hard for people, you know, that I'm with to be like, yo, you just watched this movie yesterday. I was like, I know. I'm watching it again two times today because I want to see what I missed. I want to see why that role was, you know, I mean, that's how I be. And that is a sacrifice. Yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah.

[Paul Pierce]

So look, I would be watching the movie and say, like, if I'm with a partner and I turn over and they see me turn over, not watching the movie and they, like, turn the TV off, I'm like, I'm listening to it. Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

For real. I'll wake up if something changes. Even if, you know, sometimes it just. The battery or whatever, it'll just go to the same screen.

[Paul Pierce]

I'll wake up and be, you're not watching it. Put it back on.

[Trevor Jackson]

But you know what's funny? My mom told me that my dad used to have VHS and he would always watch, you know, the same movies. And she said he would wake up out of his sleep if it popped out, to pop it back in, hit play and go back.

[Azar Faraday]

And that is a man thing, I feel, because I need pitch black in silence.

[Trevor Jackson]

That's scary.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah. And so if I'm like, that's a compromise.

[Trevor Jackson]

You don't hear nothing?

[Azar Faraday]

Like. No. I hear this peacefulness of just my life.

[Trevor Jackson]

Oh, my gosh. I'll be here. I don't know. I'll be here.

[Paul Pierce]

Yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

I can't. I have to be, like, in the dark. So that would be definitely. So do you feel like. Because I always feel like there's a difference between compromise and sacrifice. Sacrifice. Like, compromises. I'll sleep with you in the bed with the TV on. Even though I hate that.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

Sacrifice is changing the core of who I really am. I don't believe that you should sacrifice in a relationship because that leads to resentment.

[Trevor Jackson]

Can you sacrifice a part of you that isn't good for you? But maybe that is a part of Right. Because that's where I've experienced. Right. It's like, yeah, this is my normal. This is a part of who I think I am, but it also doesn't produce the best side of me. Right.

[Azar Faraday]

Okay.

[Trevor Jackson]

And this person may be, you know, And I do feel like it's a sacrifice. I do feel like I'm. I'm cutting something or something that is very whatever to me, but it's like this thing is morphing me into something that's so much more than that. Right. But I guess that is a. I guess a compromise then, if it doesn't feel too much like that. But I do feel like there's something I sacrifice, and the more I sacrifice it, I realized it wasn't really a sacrifice in comparison to what I was gaining in the relationship, in comparison to who I was becoming, how the person was pulling this person out of me. Didn't feel like a sacrifice anymore, but it took me some time to do it. For a while. I'm like, whoa, look how I've been living. Living. Look, I'm walking around. Look at my shoulders. I feel like I'm getting bigger in the gym, like, you know, but because I made certain sacrifices for this person. And again, I want to go back to the love. I think the right person, even if they know, they'll tell you, like, hey, that's not, you know, that's not you. They won't let you live any lower than yourself.

[Azar Faraday]

Oh, they won't let you live any lower than yourself.

[Trevor Jackson]

They won't let you. They won't let you. Now I've been in a relationship where I thought the person loved me and would influence the lowest version of me. You know, I've had that.

[Azar Faraday]

I've had that.

[Trevor Jackson]

And that's because now I'm tangible, who I'm supposed to be, who God brought me here to be. Sometimes it can't be tangible, Right? And when people see that, it's like, how do I make it? How do I make them more, you know, come back down here, you know? And that's how it felt. And that's with friends, too. Got a bunch of friends, you know, that I felt that energy from. It's like, yo know, let's make him human again. Because right now, you know, he's too. Ah, shit's popping off. Shit's feeling good. Hey, man, come on.

[Azar Faraday]

That's what I've been in a lot of my relationships. Dim your life. You can be in relations with people who are in competition with you.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah, that's horrible.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

Why are we here?

[Azar Faraday]

Like, seriously, like, that makes me mad. Or they wanna. Like you said, they want to keep you here because when you're here, you don't understand your power and who you are. And if you understood your power and who you are, you would be with.

[Trevor Jackson]

Right, right. And that's what they don't want that.

[Azar Faraday]

They don't want that you have to stay down here. I'm going to influence all the worst parts of you so you don't know who you are.

[Trevor Jackson]

Well said.

[Azar Faraday]

Period. You know, and then when I do that, I'm going to continue coming back to you because you're feeding that and.

[Trevor Jackson]

I need that, man. I've seen friends do that, even just not to me. Like, I know someone and her best friend was on that. Like, just in the minute that she started. It's like, who are you? Like, what? And was getting mad at her for being a better version of herself.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah, yeah. They always want to take. I've been in a relationship where someone. Someone literally told me, I have to bring you back to reality because people pump you up too much and they make you feel.

[Trevor Jackson]

That's horrible. And that should be your number one support system.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah, that should be your number.

[Trevor Jackson]

That should be your source. You should be telling him to chill out, baby. You should be out in public. You should be like, babe, don't say that. He's like, oh, my girlfriend. You know, I mean, that's how it should be. I feel like this.

[Azar Faraday]

She's the.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah, she's incredible. Y' all ain't even seen the best part.

[Azar Faraday]

You know, all of my past relationships have been exactly that. Like, Deming never felt good. Never.

[Trevor Jackson]

And that's also just because they don't feel like you said, worthy to be next to you or, you know what I mean? It's like. And unfortunately, I think it is hard for a woman in that. In that space. Yeah. No, you know, because especially when you're successful woman, you're a beautiful woman, you got. A man might feel a little intimidated. That's the only way you feel like he has that.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

You know, the man code.

[Paul Pierce]

I can see how guys been intimidated by you, though.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

But I think too, it's been also my fault because I've attracted. I was at a certain frequency where I wasn't feeling myself, you know, So I attracted at a certain level. So I always put it back on me. Like, what I was attracting was how I felt internally about who I was.

[Trevor Jackson]

You know what you're saying?

[Paul Pierce]

You know, she used to be Intimidating.

[Trevor Jackson]

Not no more strong voice, you see?

[Paul Pierce]

I see very opinionated. Just strong. Just very. Just.

[Azar Faraday]

You see how he tries to come at me? I'm strong. I'm not no buff ass strong man. Like, don't piss me off.

[Trevor Jackson]

She was big bicep poke.

[Paul Pierce]

That strong voice, it was like intimidating.

[Azar Faraday]

He just trying to say I used. I gained a lot of weight when.

[Paul Pierce]

I didn't even say that.

[Azar Faraday]

He doesn't probably know, but I was 280. Every episode he has to reference when.

[Paul Pierce]

I was not even saying.

[Azar Faraday]

You said you were big strong boy.

[Trevor Jackson]

No, strong about your voice, your energy. He talking about your energy.

[Azar Faraday]

Saying, I used to be. So I said now.

[Paul Pierce]

You said you still.

[Trevor Jackson]

That was just a slip of the tongue. You know, we make mistakes.

[Advertisement Voice]

You.

[Paul Pierce]

You, cuz, like, like, you used to come off like a little more masculine. Now you. You showing your femininity side of yourself, you know, which is great. You got a good balance of it. But you could be a strong, intimidating voice. Like, like. And that's real.

[Trevor Jackson]

It's a compliment, I think.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah, I don't think it is. But I'm a.

[Paul Pierce]

There's nothing wrong with a strong and.

[Azar Faraday]

Like, I'm gonna continue to be like powerful boy.

[Paul Pierce]

Like, think about like, certain like, like, like Michelle Obama has a strong.

[Trevor Jackson]

Violet Davis, your favorite actress. Viola Davis is very strong.

[Paul Pierce]

When you like, you like, damn. You know.

[Azar Faraday]

Well, I will say this, and I'm just gonna make it very quick. I think that and women in a career space have to tap into a lot of their masculine side to be noticed.

[Trevor Jackson]

Agreed to agree.

[Azar Faraday]

Succeed. Like, I've been very successful in the podcast space and it's because of my voice. It's because I demand people's attention when I talk. And I feel like in my real life I'm very feminine in my relationships. I'm very.

[Trevor Jackson]

Can I just say, you're very feminine. You're not. Not feminine. Let's just make sure we say that because it sounds like you say yes.

[Azar Faraday]

Because everyone always comes for me.

[Trevor Jackson]

No one watches this and says she's not feminine. No, we.

[Azar Faraday]

No, they do. They come for me all the time.

[Trevor Jackson]

We don't listen to those people.

[Paul Pierce]

Listen to those people. Damn.

[Azar Faraday]

Well, you're the one saying it.

[Advertisement Voice]

All the things.

[Paul Pierce]

Don't say it.

[Trevor Jackson]

He didn't say. He just said strong, strong voice.

[Azar Faraday]

This is blowing me. Stop doing this, though. This is blowing me.

[Advertisement Voice]

This.

[Azar Faraday]

This right here is like what you got doing now? This is glowing. Stop this. Like, I'm not giving bodybuilder what's up, like, let's give that. Stop doing that. You're blowing me. You're blowing me.

[Trevor Jackson]

Very strong. That is hilarious.

[Azar Faraday]

And the mask. Masculine title. Because I just feel like women, we get that when we're successful, strong men get.

[Trevor Jackson]

They're being sassy and feminine now when they say how they feel. I can't stand this sassy dude. Stuff is ridiculous. For I've seen videos and a guy just like, hey, I don't rather, you know. Oh, you're sassy.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

I was out one time and somebody and I was like, hey, excuse me. Like, it was a fan approach. And I was just like, hey, maybe like, in the way you just, you know, you kind of just came. Oh, you're sassy. I was like, I'm just trying to share with you how I feel, if that's cool. You know what I'm saying? But it's like, that's what I got when I had an issue with something. I'm like, I don't like that.

[Paul Pierce]

That.

[Azar Faraday]

I don't like that either. And they say that about men a lot. Like, even with men smoking hookah, they're like, any man smoking hookah is sassy. Any man doing drinking a lemon drop is sassy. Like, he can't like a little lemon in the drink. You know what?

[Trevor Jackson]

I want something tastes good. That's why I say, why girls get all the good flavor drinks. And if I drink.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah. Like the men can't.

[Trevor Jackson]

Delicious, they say, like tropical, cool oceans.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah. They. Everything is sassy. Apocalypse, like, man, I hate it. I hate it. I don't go for that.

[Paul Pierce]

All right, I'm gonna get back to the music.

[Trevor Jackson]

Let's do it.

[Paul Pierce]

You got music dropping in another week.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Paul Pierce]

I love you, Goodbye, the greatest breakup.

[Trevor Jackson]

Album of all time. That's the full title. I love you, Goodbye, the greatest breakup album of all time. And I also wanted to tell you, too. Just kind of like, I don't know if you guys saw the suit I was wearing and all this stuff I did. So I said, when you get broken up with, it feels like you show up to the altar by yourself. So I wanted, like, an 1800 groomsman because a lot of, you know, amazing poets in those olden times. I'm really inspired by those people. And you'll never see a video of those people, but you'll hear their poems forever. Right? It lasts. And I feel like that's how I felt about this project. And I. Yeah, I had that design. So Pooj is my stylist, and then Lionel is an incredible Designer. He's done stuff for SZA and a bunch of other people. He helped design the suit. And yeah, that was like my main thing for this. Everybody was like, trevor just keeps asking about suit. I said, I need the suit made. We had it made. I was like, this is all wrong. Start over.

[Azar Faraday]

Right?

[Trevor Jackson]

And then I finally got it the way I wanted it. But it's a huge part of that. And I also feel like, you know, someone that looked like me back in that time couldn't afford garments like that. So I'm like, kind of flexing for them too.

[Azar Faraday]

I love that.

[Trevor Jackson]

And that's kind of the birthplace of the whole visual and, you know, and it's like, you know, funeral.

[Paul Pierce]

Staying on the music side, I want to talk about today's music.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Paul Pierce]

Like, what do you think and how do you think that today's music is affecting our love and our relationships?

[Azar Faraday]

Like, is there a good topic?

[Trevor Jackson]

This is so great. I would say this. I'll say a lot of people's issues with music. Those same people are the reasons the issues exist. Right. So it's like, I'll see a lot of women maybe have an opinion about, you know, how a woman is being treated or whatever, but they're the same ones, you know, singing the songs that are, you know.

[Paul Pierce]

Exactly.

[Trevor Jackson]

And it's just hard to gauge. Right. And for men, too.

[Paul Pierce]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

Men will be singing songs like this, and you're like, how do you expect someone to take you seriously? You just said you had five baby mamas and you're trying to do this and you're trying to do that, you know, So I do think it's hard. And I will say the one genre of music where they talk about family, wife and husband, is country music. And I do think this is all agenda based. I think this is all. If they're black, let's make sure that we keep the shit going. Right. We want to keep only one mom in the household. We want the dad to be, you know, and that is. That is perpetuated by the music. That's perpetuated by certain movies and white people. A lot of white people listen to country music and pop music, and it's very family oriented. It's very husband, wife, can't wait to get home to my kids type records. So I think that's something that's missing and something that I'm trying to create. I think this is just the beginning of, like, you know, my. My story that I have to tell.

[Paul Pierce]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

I have a lot more albums that I'm sitting On and I'm going to release, but I want to get to that point right to where the biggest artists can also be the healthiest lifestyles. A lot of people want to be, quote, unquote, successful, which is money, cars, big house, career, but no one's happy. Right. So I think there should be. That has to be in there, and I would like to bring that, you know, to the forefront. I'd like to do more of that. And that only comes with honesty, and that's what I think this album is. It's just me being completely honest about where I was at and, you know, what I was going through. But I do believe that. I do believe.

[Azar Faraday]

Do you believe? I know you said boys to men is one of your faves, right? And they. And they complimented you.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah. That was a deep, deep moment for me. I could imagine I was going through a lot already that day, just mentally. And then, you know, I walked in there and I seen one. I seen them, and I'm like, first of all, I'm. I'm the type of person, like, although I've been in this for a long time, I'm a fan first. Like, even me sitting across from Paul Pierce's, I'm like, now, you know, we met a few times, but still, I'm kind of like, oh, you know, I mean, this is happening. So I'll. That'll never go away from me. I'm always a fan and then turned artist.

[Paul Pierce]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

So when I saw them, I was like, like getting teary. I was, like, almost crying, and they were like, like, everybody thinks I'm playing. I'm sure when I met you, and I'm like, paul, you probably like, this dude's a lot. But it's because I really feel this way. I'm like, I can't believe this is happening. Right?

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

So I told him that, and I was like, guys, like, this is. This is my dream come true. I mean, y', all, like, I've listened. You're the reason I know how to sing. Like, I listen to your records. You're making us proud. We see everything you've been doing, man. Keep going, keep going. You're making us proud. You doing us justice, Right?

[Paul Pierce]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

And to hear that from them to. You know, co sign was doing a podcast, and he had said, I feel like Trevor Jackson suffers from being too good. Right. Quote, unquote. And I feel like I have been overlooked as an artist because maybe I look good or because maybe I'm a successful actor. So it's hard for people to Give me my flowers. When it comes to music, but I do this shit like I'm writing shit, I'm recording myself. And I do it at a very high level. And to hear them say it, I didn't need nobody else to say it. Boys to men.

[Paul Pierce]

Validated.

[Trevor Jackson]

What?

[Paul Pierce]

Right?

[Trevor Jackson]

I was like, okay, I'm straight.

[Paul Pierce]

You know what I'm saying?

[Azar Faraday]

Genuine was putting fire signs on your.

[Trevor Jackson]

Genuine. That's another thing. That's amazing. That's amazing.

[Paul Pierce]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

These people.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah, that's huge.

[Trevor Jackson]

It's an honor. It's an honor, man. And. Yeah, go ahead.

[Azar Faraday]

No, go ahead.

[Trevor Jackson]

I was just saying, like, I still trip out to be in spaces with these people because I'm a student. When I want to do something, just like, I'm sure how he's studying game film or anything like that. I am studying these music videos. I'm studying the voice. I'm rewinding it. I'm press playing for hours. At 11 years old, you know what I mean? At 8 years old, I was just always trying to. And then I'm meeting these people.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

Like, I ran into Omarion the other day and I'm like, bro, you don't understand. When I first moved to LA, I was 11 years old. I walked by in the Beverly Hills Mall. I screamed my ass off. I ran down to the food court. I begged him for a pen and paper. I said, omarion's over here. Ran back, you signed my. And I got in my house right now. It's in my house right now. But it's like, I'm not. And I feel like a lot of people lose that.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah, right.

[Trevor Jackson]

You get into it and you start becoming numb to the. And it's like, yo, we are superheroes in a way, and we have to remember that and carry that, you know, when people. When people walk up. I remember being a fan. That's why I'm always like, hey, how you doing? What's up?

[Paul Pierce]

Hey, I'm.

[Trevor Jackson]

Nice to meet you. I'm never, you know, I mean, I'm always. Just. Because that could create the next Michael, that could create the next. You know, Kobe, that could create the next Paul, that could create the next. You know what I mean?

[Azar Faraday]

100.

[Trevor Jackson]

Just by being like, hey, man, keep going.

[Paul Pierce]

All of that.

[Trevor Jackson]

This right here. And that could take. Someone will imagine that when they go to sleep and the hardest day of their life, they would be like. He said, keep going. That boy said, man, I'm gonna remember that. I'm gonna go through more in life. That's life. I'M gonna go through our. And I'm. And I might question who I am. Trevor, you and I remember that moment of boy cement. Boys told you that, bro. So you know what I mean?

[Paul Pierce]

That's dope.

[Azar Faraday]

You know where like. Like, I'm out and someone like Kevin Hart is like, you're dope. Keep going.

[Trevor Jackson]

Like, you know what I'm saying?

[Azar Faraday]

You know who I am.

[Trevor Jackson]

That's what I'm saying.

[Azar Faraday]

I mean, like, just little stuff. Think about things like that. You have to stay humble and remain humble no matter who you meet or who you're around.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

So one last question. What do you feel like? Because I know you spoke about country, but I do also feel like. And Paul talks about that. That R B from back in the day, boys to men. Jagged Edge.

[Paul Pierce]

Yes. You know?

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah. All of these people, they were singing, loving a woman, wanting a woman, needing a woman. Like, where do you feel like that transition? What law. Like, what happened? And then I noticed more women like Cardi B I is, you know, city girls and broke boys don't deserve no nothing. Like this whole.

[Trevor Jackson]

That's not a production of happiness. Let's just be real. We just. Even you saying those sentences out loud, it's like, you can't possibly believe that that will bring you happiness. You know what I'm saying?

[Paul Pierce]

Where did love going? Music.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah. And I'm here. I'm here to bring it back.

[Azar Faraday]

Okay.

[Trevor Jackson]

Okay. You even in the breakup albums, you hear the love, right? It's not af. You bitch. I'm sick.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

I'm dead. That's how I felt. And also after the breakup, I tore my Achilles. I was down, bro. Then I had stuff. Two weeks after she broke up with me, I tore my Achilles. Then I had stomach issues while my kids. I was in the hospital. Then I had back issues. I was going through everything in my life. Right. Me and God was talking. Right? God, what's happening? Why is this? And I have to go film Grown ish in a week, and I have to go be on tour. So I went on tour with the name Boot. I was shooting Grownish with the Boot on going back.

[Paul Pierce]

What's. Which side? Left or right?

[Trevor Jackson]

Right side.

[Paul Pierce]

Okay. Because, you know that correlates, you know, if you see an energy person, like, if you have injuries to one side of your body, that has something to do with, like, kind of relationships I had to go through.

[Trevor Jackson]

For real.

[Paul Pierce]

You should see an energy person.

[Azar Faraday]

I didn't know that that has something.

[Trevor Jackson]

With relationships because it was literally two weeks after.

[Paul Pierce]

Yeah. You might have, like, just one side of your body going through stuff.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah. It was the day after Christmas. I tore my Achilles Day after Christmas. I only get to see my family once a year. I was there.

[Paul Pierce]

It's a thing.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah. Tore it, but wrote this whole album in the cast. I had to keep raising my foot up because all the blood was rushing. So I had to wait between verses, writing down, put my foot back up, you know? But the result is, is this project, and I think you can really hear it. I hope you guys get a chance to top to bottom. And then the album release will be next week. Hopefully you guys can come.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah.

[Trevor Jackson]

But just to hear it in its order, because I. The reason why I did this breakup, broke up the project like that is. Cause I did on my last one. And it helps, you know, fans want more stuff, but I make albums and I make them to go in order. I'll sit there for days at a time, be like, no, this song. No, no, trade that back up, you know, so it can go through all of the stuff the way it's supposed to be done.

[Azar Faraday]

I love how you did. I love you, ep. And then goodbye, ep. That's really dope, actually. Yeah, it's good. It's really good. It's vulnerable, it's open. And I feel like we need so much more of that.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Paul Pierce]

We need no more love back.

[Azar Faraday]

We need it.

[Paul Pierce]

We need it back. I'm old school.

[Trevor Jackson]

I got you. I got you.

[Paul Pierce]

Come on, man.

[Azar Faraday]

We appreciate that. So before you leave.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

I'm gonna have you answer one of these questions with one word only.

[Trevor Jackson]

Let's go.

[Azar Faraday]

Okay. One word. Why do men cheat? One word.

[Trevor Jackson]

Freedom.

[Azar Faraday]

Okay. I would say ego.

[Paul Pierce]

What did I say?

[Azar Faraday]

You said ego, too. Is that what you would say?

[Paul Pierce]

I forgot we did this before. I forgot what I said.

[Azar Faraday]

What about one word? Why women cheat?

[Trevor Jackson]

Revenge.

[Azar Faraday]

Ooh, that's a good one. I could see that. One word. What scares you most? In love?

[Trevor Jackson]

Leaving.

[Azar Faraday]

Mm, that's good. One word. What makes you lose feelings?

[Trevor Jackson]

Mm.

[Paul Pierce]

For me. Disrespect.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah. I was gonna say this isn't one word, but it's like, lack of consideration.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah. So kind of the same thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I can get that.

[Trevor Jackson]

Yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

Now, if you had to give one word to describe I love you, goodbye album, what would it be? Could just say your ex's name if you want.

[Trevor Jackson]

Hadoop. Yeah.

[Azar Faraday]

You'Ll for sure get that text, babe.

[Trevor Jackson]

Rebirth.

[Azar Faraday]

Ooh, I like that. If God could send you a text message right now, what would it say?

[Trevor Jackson]

Say the course Stay the course, man. Stay the course.

[Azar Faraday]

I love that.

[Trevor Jackson]

I also don't want to know too much, right? And I found this out throughout my life, and I saw this said one time, and it stuck with me for a minute. It was like, if God told you everything you had to go through to get to what you want in life, you'd probably change what you want.

[Azar Faraday]

Oh, I've heard that. That's good.

[Trevor Jackson]

I heard that. And I said, oh, my.

[Azar Faraday]

That's.

[Trevor Jackson]

And this was. I heard this after the tear and stuff. So I'm like, if God, when I was young was like, you're going to break your leg. You're gonna go through one of the worst heartbreaks. Maybe go to three through three heartbreaks.

[Paul Pierce]

Who knows?

[Trevor Jackson]

Right? Then this is gonna happen. This person's gonna lie. Your best friend is gonna do this, and then your friend, you know, then you're gonna lose this person. Your grandma's gonna. You might be like, hey, dude, I'll just go to 7 11. I can be the dude at the front. Like, yeah. You know what I mean? I can be the traffic guy.

[Paul Pierce]

Like, I don't care.

[Trevor Jackson]

Like, you know, you might change your dream, but God. God knows and he does it in his own time. And I'm super thankful for it. So I just say, stay the course because I. I don't regret anything I've done. Sure, I maybe wish I have, whatever, but I'm. I'm thankful for where I'm at. I'm thankful for who I am. And I know I got a lot more to go, but the only way to lose is to stop or to give up. And I'm not that type of. I'm not cut like that.

[Azar Faraday]

That's real. You must be a. Huh.

[Paul Pierce]

Album coming out.

[Trevor Jackson]

Did you know that I'm good at this.

[Azar Faraday]

We did this with Kevin Gates.

[Trevor Jackson]

Did she know that? And she waited till the end. So she get all the information, then use it.

[Azar Faraday]

Yeah, you can ask my friends, I guess every.

[Trevor Jackson]

Okay, I need you to guess my brothers, when we're done here. I.

[Azar Faraday]

Okay. Well, thank you, Trevor.

[Paul Pierce]

Please.

[Trevor Jackson]

You guys are awesome, man.

[Azar Faraday]

You were great. We're so grateful to have you. We're so grateful to have you.

[Paul Pierce]

Amazing.

[Azar Faraday]

I hope my handshake wasn't too.

[Trevor Jackson]

No, it was strong. It was a little too strong for me.

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[Azar Faraday]

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[Trevor Jackson]

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[Azar Faraday]

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[Trevor Jackson]

Thank you. I appreciate y'.

[Paul Pierce]

All.

[Azar Faraday]

Of course. Thank you, Trevor, so much.

[Trevor Jackson]

Let's go, guys. Paul Pierce. Sorry, I'm still freaking out. Okay, I can do it now. The interview's over.

[Paul Pierce]

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[Trevor Jackson]

I'm only picking him.

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[Trevor Jackson]

That's what I'm saying.

[Paul Pierce]

Thanks for joining us at the Dark.

[Azar Faraday]

Appreciate peace.

[Paul Pierce]

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[Azar Faraday]

Do you think that men or women are more toxic?

[Trevor Jackson]

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[Paul Pierce]

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[Trevor Jackson]

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[Paul Pierce]

Ah.

[Trevor Jackson]

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[Paul Pierce]

Mm.

[Trevor Jackson]

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[Azar Faraday]

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[Trevor Jackson]

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[Azar Faraday]

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[Trevor Jackson]

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[Azar Faraday]

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[Trevor Jackson]

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[Azar Faraday]

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