Unc & Ocho Best of NBA: Steph’s Big Moment + Daryl Moray HATIN' on Lakers 2020 Chip

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Episode: Unc & Ocho Best of NBA: Steph’s Big Moment + Daryl Moray HATIN' on Lakers 2020 Chip
Release Date: August 1, 2025
Host: iHeartPodcasts and Shay Shay Media
Description: NFL legend Shannon Sharpe—3x Super Bowl champion and member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame—sits down with the biggest athletes, celebrities, and influencers to discuss their accomplishments, challenges, and everything in-between.

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NBA Bubble Championship Legitimacy

The episode kicks off with a heated discussion about the legitimacy of the 2020 NBA Championship won by the Los Angeles Lakers during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Chad Johnson [00:00-01:13] raises concerns about the championship's validity:

"The Lakers 2020 title... everyone around the league privately agrees that it doesn't truly hold up as a genuine championship... the championship will forever be marked by an asterisk."

Ocho Cinco [01:13-02:04] agrees, emphasizing the effort and resilience required to win under such conditions:

"Knowing the immense effort and resilience that it took to do it. But now because you didn't win it, asteroid buy."

Joe Johnson [01:41-03:09] counters by arguing that the bubble environment removed many competitive elements:

"I honestly think it doesn't hold up as a legitimate championship... you took away a lot of the elements of traveling, planning, altitude, environments."

Chad Johnson [03:20-04:30] expands on the isolation players faced:

"People were losing their mind... I caught up on movies, had my game, everything I needed was right here."

LeBron James's Legacy and Criticism

A significant portion of the episode delves into the legacy of LeBron James, juxtaposing his remarkable achievements with the extensive criticism he faces.

Chad Johnson [05:42-09:39] highlights LeBron's unparalleled career:

"Nobody in the history of the game has received more criticism than LeBron James... he has exceeded all expectations... He got 21 All-Star games, 13 first teams."

Joe Johnson [09:42-10:02] reflects on the long-term expectations placed on LeBron:

"When you've been at the top for so long... He exceeded everything since he came into the NBA at 18, 19 years old."

Chad Johnson [07:17-07:38] questions why championships won by LeBron are often scrutinized:

"Had Jordan won the title, would you say he won seven or just six? They wouldn't call it an asterisk if someone else won it."

Player Injuries and Team Management

The conversation shifts to the management of the Lakers and the impact of player injuries on team performance.

Chad Johnson [07:50-08:00] criticizes the Lakers' financial decisions:

"They still owe Joe L.B. nearly 300 million... they gave Tyrese Maxi and Paul George max deals."

Ocho Cinco [17:38-18:06] discusses the frustrations with recurring injuries:

"I hate seeing people get injured... I wish I could give all them boys my limbs and legs."

Social Media's Impact on Players

The hosts explore the pervasive influence of social media on players’ focus during games, particularly at halftime.

Joe Johnson [27:20-28:05] expresses concern over players’ phone usage:

"A lot of these guys owning their phones at halftime, checking to see what's going on. It's almost like a habit."

Chad Johnson [32:01-33:44] contrasts this with his era’s focus:

"Back then, they took it more seriously... things have changed. Players are getting younger and more distracted."

Personal Anecdotes: Dropping Critical Plays

Ocho Cinco [35:53-36:09] shares a poignant moment from his career:

"I dropped the goddamn slam on fourth down and it cost us the game... I always told myself I'd be the reason we win games after that."

Chad Johnson [36:07-37:14] echoes similar sentiments:

"In 1999, I dropped a touchdown that would have given us home field advantage... I was crying in the car."

These stories underscore the immense pressure and emotional toll professional athletes endure.

Steph Curry's Big Moment and Shooting Ability

A centerpiece of the episode is the analysis of Steph Curry’s transformative impact on basketball, highlighted by his iconic shot against Gonzaga.

Chad Johnson [34:54-35:52] reminisces about Curry's defining play:

"Steph Curry's shot against Gonzaga... It was the moment that changed his life."

The hosts delve into Curry’s unique shooting mechanics and unparalleled conditioning:

"He shoots the ball with confidence because he can dance and launch from any distance... he's probably the best-conditioned athlete because nobody's running as much as he does."

Ocho Cinco [42:08-43:32] adds insights on defensive strategies against Curry:

"Teams try to zone him, but he just resets and shoots again. He's made three-pointers a critical part of the game now."

Conclusion

The episode wraps up by connecting the themes of legacy, resilience, and the evolution of basketball through the lenses of legends like LeBron James and Steph Curry. The hosts emphasize the importance of focus and adaptability in both personal and professional realms.

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Transcript

[Chad Johnson]

This is an iHeart podcast. Hello, it's your favorite sports thunk here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube. Remember, Nightcap doesn't happen without you, so please subscribe or you're going to make Ocho cry. Darryl Murray also felt the need to talk about the Lakers 2020 title today. Maury said, had the Rockets won the title, I absolutely would have celebrated as legitimate, knowing the immense effort and resilience required, yet everyone speak around the league privately agrees that it doesn't truly hold up as a genuine championship. Perhaps the last legacy of the NBA bubble is that the NBA should be proud of his leadership at both the beginning and the end of the pandemic. Even through the champion will forever be marked by an asterisk. There are more. You should be the last one to talk after what you almost blew up by saying what you said about China. And you got your buses, you got your butt up out of there. Now, see, every. See, everybody talks about, well, it's an asterisk because you didn't win it. Now you just said, I absolutely would have celebrated as legitimate.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

Knowing the immense effort and resilience that it took to do it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

But now because you didn't win it. Asteroid buy. So is there asteroid by the strikes. Short year. What year that was 99. Yeah, 99. So is asking about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What about 2012? 2012 was a strike show. Didn't y'? All? Didn't y'. All. Wasn't y' all short in the 20. 2012, Joe?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, he don't ask me about that one.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, he put that extra by that.

[Chad Johnson]

Bubble because he didn't win.

[Joe Johnson]

I think he really. Absolutely. But I honestly think. I didn't think it was an advantage to anybody playing in the bubble. You know what I mean? Like, I wouldn't put no asterisk by.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, because.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm saying. No, I don't know if it was harder neither. I don't feel like. Because you took away a lot of the elements of traveling, planning, altitude, environments, things of that sort. Like we all right here.

[Chad Johnson]

What about you couldn't go nowhere.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I mean, I know that's hard. I knew that was hard.

[Chad Johnson]

You know, I tell you what I would do. I'm tell you what I would do, Joe. I'mma put you. I'mma put you in your house for a hundred days and all you can do is go to Your backyard and come home. You can't do nothing else.

[Joe Johnson]

How much money? Hey, how much. How much money I'm making?

[Chad Johnson]

What? Whatever the playoffs pay you.

[Joe Johnson]

Okay. So May. Oh, you saying just to play?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that's because that's what they get. They don't get no extra money. They get what? The playoff.

[Joe Johnson]

All right. Yeah. Hey. Hey, look. I put. Hey, look, I wasn't locked, obviously. You know, I played in TBT. It wasn't nowhere near as being locked in for 90 days or however many days those guys locked in. I played in tbt, and it was a quarantine environment. We was locked in a hotel for, like, seven, about 10 days. So I know. I know the challenges that the dudes had to go through, but I'm saying.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't think it should be an asterisk.

[Joe Johnson]

Like, I think.

[Chad Johnson]

No, absolutely not.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Think about the pandemic itself, Joe. People were losing their mind. They couldn't go nowhere. Oh, Cho.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You couldn't go to a. You couldn't go sit inside a restaurant, or you couldn't go to a club or you couldn't do. Now, I don't know how it was in some places, but I happen to be in Cali at the time, and when I say Cali, shut it down. Cali shut it down. Now, I know Georgia shut it down for a week. Florida shut it down for 10 days.

[Joe Johnson]

Georgia was shut down. But they were getting to it out here.

[Chad Johnson]

You hear me? Go ahead, Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

Listen, it was. It was easy for them, especially during that time. It was easy for the people that don't actually. That don't be outside. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't go anywhere anyway, so when. When the pandemic happened. Listen, I. I chose that time to catch up on some stuff, movies I hadn't seen. You know, I would tweet, what should I watch? Hell, I ain't see the Wire. You know, I was. Was I playing during that time? No. I think. I think I might have been flying. Forgot where it was. I had never seen the Wire.

[Chad Johnson]

Huh.

[Ocho Cinco]

People told me to watch the Wire. I watched Ozark.

[Chad Johnson]

I caught up. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

I caught up on all type of stuff on Netflix. That was good. I had a bunch of cigars with me. You know, I had my little coffee machine. Hell, I ain't need to go nowhere. Everything I needed was right here. And then I got my game, and he's.

[Chad Johnson]

Go ahead, Joe. Go ahead.

[Joe Johnson]

Do y' all think that the. The COVID times, it really changes Cause think about this. You know, you had your homeboys or your friends talking about they want to come over. You don't know where they done been. You like, hold on.

[Chad Johnson]

No, you over here with all that.

[Joe Johnson]

Like, you know what I mean? And then since it's been over, a lot of us are still kind of, hey pound.

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, hey, hey, how you doing, bro? Just pound it, right? Hey. Yeah, yeah. Even.

[Joe Johnson]

Even still, now to this day, I'm like that. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Darl Moore said. Yeah. Everyone I speak to around the league privately agrees it. That it truly doesn't hold up as a genuine championship. So did you ask people around the league what they thought about what you said about China? Asking what they genuinely think about how you almost blew it up? Right, Right. Oh, you know what? Let me tell you why I did. Because LeBron James won it. Anybody any other superstar had won that championship. Joe Johnson, you and I both know it have been legit. It was because LeBron James won it. It ain't legit.

[Joe Johnson]

You think that's why a lot of people put that Astro. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, absolutely. Michael, Kobe, Larry, Magic, Steph, Anybody else? And that's what I. I asked to be. I said, okay. Y' all say, well. Cause you said that LeBron came to LA to be a 6, 8. Kevin Hart, he came to be a movie. He came to win an Oscar as opposed to a Larry o' Brien trophy. Okay? He comes out here, he plays, he wins. Now, so what. What's. What's the. What's the debate? Had anybody else done that? I say now, y' all say that's what he did. I say, now, oh, man, Jordan was past his prime. Jordan. I said, let me ask you a question. Had Jordan won the NBA title, would y' all say he won seven, or would he have just won six? Y' all said y' all gave him seven, but because he didn't win. Oh, he wasn't even trying to win. Yes, he was. I thought that Jordan, everything George took was serious. The reason why they did it like this is because LeBron won. Had anybody else won. They not calling the bubble championship. They're not calling it saying an asterisk needs to be added. They wouldn't do it, right. Even Daryl Moore, even Daryl More is trying to diminish the man. I. I guarantee you take it. I guarantee you take it. You need to worry about Philly. That's what you need to do. All that money. I tell you what, pull another season like you had this year and see what happened to you.

[Ocho Cinco]

But he the owner Though, what they gonna do to him?

[Chad Johnson]

He's a general manager. He ain't no owner. Josh Harris.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, okay, okay. You think they'll fire him?

[Chad Johnson]

Have another boy? He. You see that money he done gave out and to miss the playoffs, right?

[Joe Johnson]

Somebody gonna have to go. Ocho.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. They still owe Joe L.B. damn near 300 million.

[Ocho Cinco]

Damn.

[Chad Johnson]

They. Oh, gave Tyrese Maxi a max deal. They got Paul George on a max deal.

[Ocho Cinco]

Maxi. Nice. If Paul. If Paul need an ankle, whatever. Whatever it is, if he come back healthy, they gonna be all right.

[Chad Johnson]

These don't get healthy as you get older.

[Joe Johnson]

I think he just had another procedure, too.

[Ocho Cinco]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, I wish I could give all them boys my limbs and legs, man, and arms and. And Achilles and knees. I just. Damn, man. I hate seeing people get injured, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Hello? Who asked him this? Everybody just feel like they're really talkative Boo today, Joe. Everybody was in a real talking boo today, Ocho. Yeah, bro. It's 20, 25. They just got the new package. Amazon, somebody. Amazon just got spent. 77 billion. 76 billion. Amazon got a package. NBC got a package. ESPN got a package. They about to make money at the yin yang. And you talking about 20, 25.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Why? Yeah. I promise you, nobody in the history of the game has received more criticism than LeBron James. If it was crazy, but because he. No matter what you thought about him, he said, man, I think he gonna be good. He's exceeded all expectations. No matter what you thought he might be, he's exceeded everything. Nobody. People say, ain't nobody gonna break Kareem's record, because first of all, you're not gonna play long enough, and you're not gonna be consistent enough. He did that, man. Ain't nobody gonna get no 19 all star games. He got 21, man. Ain't nobody gonna be no all NBA all those times. He got 21, 13 first teams. But I. I just don't get it. He go out, man.

[Joe Johnson]

Ojo. Y' all know when you've been at the top for so long?

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

They gotta start.

[Joe Johnson]

They gotta start picking at you, bro. They got. They gotta start picking. It's just kind of a part of. And that's just kind of what it seems like, because, like. Like you said, I agree with you. He's exceeded expectations. I'm talking about from since the time he came into the NBA.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes.

[Joe Johnson]

And what, 18, 19 years old, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Joe Johnson]

All the expectations they put on him, he exceeded that. That's crazy.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes. There's not a whole lot of 18 year old O's get handed the keys to a franchise. 18, 18, no college, no dominant male. I mean, I guess the dominant male figures would be his coach. Coach Drew. They don't hand the keys to a franchise to an 18 year old. That's what he did. That's what they gave him.

[Ocho Cinco]

That's crazy.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, that's what they gave him. I mean, it's almost like, well, my favorite player didn't play that long. He should just go, why? I guarantee you, if your favorite player could play at the level that he's playing at, he'd have stayed.

[Ocho Cinco]

Absolutely.

[Chad Johnson]

Kobe body broke down on him. He had the shoulder towards labrum and he had the Achilles injury and he was just, he had given it all he got. And you know what Kobe was that Mercedes that had 500,000 miles on it and it just pulled side the road and it just stopped.

[Ocho Cinco]

Damn.

[Chad Johnson]

You don't think Jordan, if Jordan could have still played at that elite level, you don't think he just continue to play?

[Joe Johnson]

Of course, we all would playing right now.

[Chad Johnson]

Of course they're mad at the man that's taking care of his body for this long. Lord is blessed and beyond blessed. And he's able to play at an elite level. Even in year 22. The man averaged 24, 8 and 8 in year 22. Everybody else, I don't even think anybody did anybody average 22. The average double figures in 422. Well, considering that only Vince Carter played the 22, 22 seasons.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, that's crazy.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, think about that, man. And we just try. And people just try to find things to nitpick and to pick him apart and I, I just, I, I just, I just, I'll. I'll just never, I'll just never understand why. Why? I mean, it's gonna, I mean he's gonna be gone and then, you know, eventually kd, Eventually Steph, we have new guys and then what?

[Joe Johnson]

That's when he'll be missed the most though.

[Ocho Cinco]

Somebody else. Somebody else will take his place. Huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Somebody.

[Ocho Cinco]

Somebody else that they're going to love to hate somebody. I mean, they, I don't know.

[Chad Johnson]

There's never been anybody before or since him that's been like this. Nobody. Nobody defy you to find it. Even if you look at the bad boy Pistons. Nope. They didn't like, they didn't dislike them like they dislike this man. Right.

[Joe Johnson]

I agree. I think when, it's, when he, when, when he hangs it up, everybody's gonna miss him.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. What are you done for the game? Yeah.

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[Chad Johnson]

Jonathan Kaminga reportedly prefers to play for the Sacramento Kings instead of the Golden State Warriors. Kaminga believes the warriors have stunted and strung his career along for four seasons. Joe, do you agree? It doesn't seem like he's going to accept their. I think. What is it? The offer?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Talking about the warriors off. Yeah, no, I don't think he gonna accept the warriors off. I think he's actually ready to move on. But yeah, I can. I can see him going to Sacramento.

[Chad Johnson]

But that would have.

[Joe Johnson]

They would have to do like a sign and trade though, right?

[Chad Johnson]

Correct. Correct.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I think If. If the warriors are looking to improve, I'm not sure what. I'm not sure what Sacramento has it that they would want, but I don't know either. They don't have to trade. They're have to trade commingle, man. They can't.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he does. He fed up? He done?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Because, you know, I'm not so sure that he trusts them anymore.

[Joe Johnson]

Right. That's what we got. There you go. There you go.

[Ocho Cinco]

So why is he living.

[Chad Johnson]

Huh?

[Ocho Cinco]

Why is he limiting himself to just one team? Why Sacramento? Why not anywhere else?

[Chad Johnson]

Hey, maybe he likes that stuff.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't think there's really been a.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, ain't no groundswell.

[Joe Johnson]

You don't think it's.

[Chad Johnson]

Go ahead, go ahead, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't think it's really been a huge market for him, Ocho, for whatever reason, it's, you know, it's been a little weird for him, but he's definitely a talent who can help a team, obviously, you know, win a title, compete for one. The Sacramento thing, I don't know where they came from. Maybe they got the money to spend, but I don't think going back to Golden State is.

[Chad Johnson]

I don't think that's enough.

[Joe Johnson]

I don't think it's beneficial for.

[Chad Johnson]

For the warriors anyway because, you know, the things that Curry said, you know. Yeah, I think you. I think you. I think he's over that situation.

[Ocho Cinco]

Damn.

[Joe Johnson]

And I think it kind of happened when they got Jimmy Butler.

[Chad Johnson]

They go ahead. Yeah. Yes, that kind of.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. Ocho. Steelers cornerback Jalen Ramsey is wearing a five dollar bill on his shoulder pads at training camp. Every time I go out there, I'm trying to make some. Trying to make some money.

[Ocho Cinco]

Come on, now. Oh, he got it on the flat.

[Joe Johnson]

What's that about?

[Ocho Cinco]

Flap?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he tried to say he tried to make money. He got on his. Got it on the pass. I'm trying to get this bread.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I like that. I like that. Whatever. Whatever you got to do, whatever you got to do to motivate yourself. Whatever you got to do to stay locked in, right? I like it. I like it.

[Chad Johnson]

This is the second time he's gotten traded because he came from the Rams. He spent two years in. In Miami and now he look well. What? Damn. Because he started in Jacksonville.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Oh, damn.

[Chad Johnson]

Then a couple years in Jacksonville.

[Ocho Cinco]

Good AD defense in Jacksonville, boy. Yeah, they were loaded.

[Joe Johnson]

And it's a contract year for him.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, he just signed one.

[Ocho Cinco]

Just signed one?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he just. They just extended him last year.

[Ocho Cinco]

It wasn't nothing wrong with him. I don't understand why you wearing.

[Joe Johnson]

So what?

[Chad Johnson]

No, he's saying he. He had when he tried to make money when he out there. That's what he's trying to say. He trying to make money while he out there. Oh, okay, okay.

[Ocho Cinco]

All right. All right.

[Joe Johnson]

That's something you would have done oo when you were playing.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, nah, nah. I ain't putting out no five dollar. I would have had a dollar on there, not no five. Yeah. You know, you saw where I tried to bribe that referee. You noticed I tried to bribe him with a. With a dollar bill, right? Anything more than that.

[Joe Johnson]

Oh, did they find you for that?

[Ocho Cinco]

Did they find me a little. 20,000. That's cool. It was worth it. Iconic moment. The NFL can't take a joke.

[Chad Johnson]

No, I said they should have slapped. I told him they should have slapped him with battle.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, yeah?

[Chad Johnson]

What'd I say? I said, I think I might have said a hundred thousand.

[Ocho Cinco]

Two hundred thousand went off. Unc went off for me when he was on. He was on Fox. Huh?

[Joe Johnson]

I was on cbs.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Hey, it was so funny, man. Hey, Joe went off, right? It was funny when I saw it. I just laugh. I just laugh. I said, you know what? I'm gonna make sure I do something else the following week, too.

[Chad Johnson]

I like all the dances. I like all the other stuff. The river dance, and I like the sombrero. Yeah, he stayed on some bull job, Joe. Kev Ward told the Athletic there's a target on his back. I don't think I'm being welcome in the league with open arms. I was the first pick. I'm blessed to be on that. But at the end of the day, there's a target on my back. There's a target on everyone's back in the league, but I'm trying to prove myself to my teammate and. Yep, you're absolutely right. They want to see why you the first pick. Just like we go out there, the DB that was the first round pick or he won the Thorpe Award. He won the buckets or he. Whatever he won. I need to see why you won that award, bro.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, absolutely. Oh, yeah. They're gonna try you now.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, yeah. There's no. There's no target for one. Obviously, when you think about first round picks, he might be the first. This might be the first time in the history of the NFL the first round pick slipped up under the radar, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Because all. All the attention is going to the fifth round pick. If you think about it, you have. You have Slipped right up under the radar as far as media coverage and, and all the hoopla that has always surrounded the first pick of the draft. Yeah. Because of the Shador effect. So I'm looking forward to what Cam Ward does this season.

[Chad Johnson]

You.

[Ocho Cinco]

You. You gonna be fine because you. You got some pieces over there to work with, too. You got some pieces to work with.

[Chad Johnson]

So. Joe, that's the same thing with Bronnie James. We ain't talking about not one first round draft pick. All they talking about is number 55, Bronnie James.

[Joe Johnson]

And you know, Cam Ward. That, that market he's in, that ain't a huge market. You know what I mean?

[Chad Johnson]

No, no, yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Cleveland.

[Chad Johnson]

That name, right.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Sanders, James.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

I mean, they talk more. They talk more about the 55th pick in the draft than they did the top two pick. And I think the Wizards got one and the Hawks got the other. Damn, man, you ain't got no target on your back, bro. That's everybody to come in. Everybody. That's a first round draft pick. You a first round draft pick. People need to see and you're the number one overall draft pick. But they, they, hey, they gonna check your id. Every game you go in, they check your id, make sure you old enough to be in the club. Every time, they gonna make sure you old enough to be in the club. Veterans 49ers veteran left tackle Trent showed frustration during practice because Nick Bosa kept beating him. Nick Bosa is beating Trent a lot of time. Trent yesterday had a big reaction to a move of the ball period that was dominated by Nick Bosa. The offense was stopped by Nick Bosa. Trent came off the field exacerbated like he banged his thighs. Just was frustrated. I think that's great for the team. I think that's going to push Trent to get better and be better through our training camp, and he's going to be Trent Williams by the time September rolls around. I hate to use iron, sharpened irons, but it's definitely what's happening in camp. Williams is 37, recently said that he wants to play until his 40s.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, listen, if you tough in football, get beaten in camp consistently, especially by somebody that's going to frustrate you, well, who better than Nick Bosa to get yourself where you got to get to because you're not going to be facing Nick Bosa's 16 Nick Bosas. Nah, absolutely not.

[Chad Johnson]

Excuse me. 17. Now, O, they got 17 game. They ain't gonna be 17. Nick Bosa. Hey, but you got one over there. Jared Verse. He ain't no. He ain't no easy victory.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, you're right. Hey, he's a little. He's a little undersized, so we look undersized a little quicker.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. But hey, don't let that on the side fool you.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. He can go now. He can go.

[Chad Johnson]

And I think the Cardinals got one of the Eagles defensive lineman.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, one. Number seven last year, right?

[Chad Johnson]

N. Not Reddick.

[Ocho Cinco]

No, not Reddick. He was a single digit, though. It was. He was a single digit, if I'm not mistaken.

[Chad Johnson]

You think? So who was it? Who? Ash? Who was that d liner that went to. Yeah, Joshua.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a single digit, right, Ash?

[Chad Johnson]

Was he.

[Ocho Cinco]

I could have swore. Yeah, he was a single digit. I could have swore he was.

[Chad Johnson]

Because he's the one that said he could have easily been the super bowl mvp. Mvp.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

So they got. Hey, they got some guys that can get off the rock on you now, but, you know, Trent's coming to a. Trent's coming out. I think Trent was. Nick, last year he came. He's coming off an injury.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, he had a few injuries. He was out along with McCaffrey. Was out.

[Chad Johnson]

They had a couple of guys. They had a couple of guys out. They lost the. The wide receiver. I.

[Ocho Cinco]

You.

[Chad Johnson]

I. You. Brett. Yep. Had a couple of DBs. A fanga. And look, it's not gonna be as easy as 49 to say because they lost a lot of guys. Dre Greenlawn was late coming back. He's gone now. The. The db. He ended up going to the. The Colts. Oh, not.

[Ocho Cinco]

Not Ward.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Wait, the Davies Ward left?

[Chad Johnson]

Yep. Yep.

[Ocho Cinco]

He was nice.

[Chad Johnson]

That's why Andy paid him. He was nice. DeMar DeRozan went on Mellow's pod and explained the difference between being the young players. Now when he was their age, demar.

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[Chad Johnson]

I see that mofo put his name on Twitter. Search at halftime to see what they were saying. Joe. They misbehaving like this? Joe. Hey, it's.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, in this new era is a lot different, fellas. Halftime. He ain't lying. Now, I'm sure, you know, a lot of these teams gonna, you know, put these stipulations in where these guys can't be using their phone at halftime. But a lot of these cats, man, they own their phones at halftime, checking to see what's going on. It's just a. It's almost like a habit. It's a part of who they are and what they do.

[Chad Johnson]

They can't help.

[Joe Johnson]

But you sit in your locker, boom, first thing you do pick up your phone, you go to scrolling.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, When? Hey, now at like in. In practice, like, they get a break.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Guys go get on the phone then, you know what I'm saying? You know, call somebody. But what. I can't. Ocho. Can you imagine somebody doing that at halftime of a game? Did that ever happen?

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, I can't even. I can't even talk trash because my. My crazy.

[Chad Johnson]

He was doing it.

[Ocho Cinco]

I tweeted on the sideline in the middle of the game, in the middle of the preseason game.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. I wouldn't agree with that, but preseason. But I'm talking about the. Right. They talking about regular season?

[Ocho Cinco]

No, no, I wouldn't do nothing like that, but I think we were playing Philly in the preseason, and I got hit real good. I'm talking about in the real good, huh? To the point where I had to. I had to go and let everybody know I was okay. The tweet might still be up.

[Chad Johnson]

Well, if you didn't take it down. Yeah, it's still up.

[Ocho Cinco]

It's still up there. We were playing the Eagles in the preseason and I forgot the dude's name. White. White fella. You know, he's really good. War 55. I can't remember his name, but he caught me on the slant. I wanted to say Bruh's preseason, but I had. I had to sit there for a little minute before I got up. I was a little woozy and they took me out.

[Joe Johnson]

That's what's going on now.

[Ocho Cinco]

Wow.

[Chad Johnson]

That's why they don't win.

[Joe Johnson]

Can you imagine what it's like in high school and college.

[Chad Johnson]

And now guys getting paid in college. In high school, too? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

We're in different times.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

It's a professional sport now.

[Chad Johnson]

It is, it is. And you see what they're doing. You see, they trying to limit. You see, they try to limit the nil, Ocho. You see that, right?

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, they try.

[Chad Johnson]

Why did you. You know why. They trying to limit. It ain't a joke. Got the people that get the money, who they look like.

[Joe Johnson]

Hey, listen, hold on while you talking. They say they were gonna start doing a little back pay on there now. And I. I went and checked in on it, but they're only going back like 10 years.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you, too. Go, Joe.

[Ocho Cinco]

You trying to get a little back pay, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, I'm just trying to see what's going on, Ocho. I ain't trying to rough enough. I'm just trying to see what's going on.

[Ocho Cinco]

I got you.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I know they ain't going back no damn near 40 years because that's what it'll be for me next year. I went to school at 86, so I know I ain't getting nothing. And Savannah State ain't had nobody to be paying nobody. They ain't got nobody, Got no money to pay nobody now. So I know they ain't getting no back pay, but I. I don't. I don't. I don't get this. Like I say, guys, when you're Here. You're here now.

[Joe Johnson]

Now, when.

[Chad Johnson]

When you home. Okay? Be there. Do what you want to do. What you. You want to tweet, you want to do whatever you want to do. But I. I don't. I don't. I'm confused at the half of a game. You checking what people saying on Twitter, ig, whatever the case may be. Really? Because you thinking, hey, you.

[Joe Johnson]

You thinking you probably too locked in even to even care about that.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, that's what I would be thinking. Like, that's why our phones are such a distraction nowadays, man. You gotta think they are. When I was in college, and then y' all a little older than me, but. But when I was in college, we have cell phones, man.

[Chad Johnson]

Man, look, here.

[Joe Johnson]

We have cell phones.

[Chad Johnson]

The bills were so expensive, huh?

[Joe Johnson]

No, man, you go get you a calling card. Call whoever you want to call. That's how y' all talking. You talk that card up, you go.

[Chad Johnson]

Get you or nothing, or you get somebody else calling card.

[Ocho Cinco]

I had a. I had a cell phone, Joe. I had a little razor, I think, in 2002. Yeah, I had a little phone.

[Joe Johnson]

No.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Joe Johnson]

When I got to leave, people had two ways. Nobody had. No. Nobody have cell phones in and whole one.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah, I had a cell phone, Joe. I don't know. I don't know.

[Chad Johnson]

But. But. But at that point. But see, the thing. It was different. I mean, it was different people. I mean, they took that stuff serious, man.

[Joe Johnson]

I.

[Chad Johnson]

And I think the thing is now, Joe, is that, like, a lot of the veterans have been, like, ushered out, and so they're getting young and younger.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And they. You know, and so all this stuff that. That are doing now. But yet that would be the man. That would be.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh.

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, goodness gracious.

[Ocho Cinco]

Times have changed.

[Chad Johnson]

It is.

[Ocho Cinco]

Times have changed, and you couldn't even money.

[Chad Johnson]

Go ahead, Joe.

[Joe Johnson]

Could y'.

[Chad Johnson]

All.

[Joe Johnson]

Could y' all even fathom, like, the things that you could get into as a kid, bro, in this time and era, to where you got all these devices, whether it's phones, iPads, it's just too much, man. So many distractions nowadays. It's hard to keep a lot of these dudes focused, man.

[Chad Johnson]

It is. It is.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah, it is too much.

[Ocho Cinco]

Gotta want it. They gotta want it. You gotta really want it to be able to lock in, function and lock in during these times. You gotta want it.

[Joe Johnson]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You do. You do. Ocho. You gotta. Okay, prioritize what's. What's important. What's really important.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right.

[Chad Johnson]

And what you must have. And. And and the thing is, like, who am I checking in on? They know where I'm at. I'm at a game. And what you doing playing the game. Okay, you called me on Wednesday, Thursday and Friday, Ocho, you call me at 10 o', clock, 10:30 in the morning at. Man, what you. What you doing? Practice? I watch a film. I'm studying. What are you doing? You should. First of all, why you calling me? You should be at work, too. I never understood that, Ocho. I don't. I didn't. I didn't understand why guys would get out of meeting and they go get on the phone, bro. You know what? Your. Unless somebody. I get it, okay? Your wife or your girlfriend pregnant, expecting kids, sick. I get that. But y' all go. First of all, if you go get on the phone like this here, you ain't checking in and seeing somebody sick. No, I already know.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, I don't know what time it is. You good over there? You know, she probably left. Left a little chick at the house, so, you know, you got to check it and make sure she good in between me, please.

[Chad Johnson]

It's different, Joe. I mean, I think about it.

[Joe Johnson]

I know.

[Chad Johnson]

Think about when you came in and when you left. Now think about the times ten years from now, what it's gonna be like.

[Joe Johnson]

The NBA gonna join it. They're gonna join in on all the fun. All this stuff these dudes doing. They gonna have activities for.

[Chad Johnson]

Interviewing guys on the side, like before the half. Not because, you know, sometimes they talking to them, they talking to the managers and things like that. They'll find a way to capitalize you right, Joe? They'll find a way to capitalize. Yeah. Steph Curry on the shot that changed his life is the shot against Gonzaga. I really felt like that was the difference maker. Not to say I wouldn't have been able to figure it out had we lost, but that was a big moment. Ooh. What was the play that changed your life?

[Ocho Cinco]

The play that changed my life, especially from a receiver standpoint, was dropping the ball. It wasn't even catching the ball. I never forget. Rest in peace, Oliver Gibson. We were playing the Indianapolis Colts. I think it might have been my rookie year, maybe my second year, but to keep a drive going, we went for it on fourth down to keep a drive going to go down and maybe tie the game or actually win the game. I dropped the goddamn slam on fourth down. And here I am crying, getting just. You know what? Oliver Gibson came up to me, grabbed me by. Grabbed me by my shirt. It's A picture of it, too. I posted it on. On Twitter when he passed away. Grab me up on my shirt, man, if you don't stop that crying, because you're gonna have another opportunity to win us a game. Change everything, huh? But I got on that jug machine and just, just. I was different after that. From that point. I hadn't even become Chad Johnson yet. I was a nobody at that point.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Ocho Cinco]

After dropping that game and realized I just cost us a game.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Ocho Cinco]

Cost us a game. And I always told myself, from that point on, I'll either be one of the reasons why we're in a game or we win games from that point on. And that's exactly what happened.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah. The same thing happened to me.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

In 1999, I dropped a touchdown that would have given us home field advantage throughout the playoffs.

[Ocho Cinco]

Damn.

[Chad Johnson]

I still think about that play. Oh, Jordan made so sweet. Had me. Oh, your head tight. I motion out linebacker with. With me.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

Like, say, I just ate it on him. Oh, y' all think today. Lj, I'm right here. I'm already thinking, oh, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right. It went right through your hands, right.

[Chad Johnson]

Through them, right through a mocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

But that's the worst feeling, boy. Dropping the ball.

[Chad Johnson]

In the south end zone, man, I never forget. And I came to the sideline students who will say, hey, you get it back, you'll get it back. I'm like, you know, the opportunity ain't gonna come. Cause, oh, it wasn't like I was the number one receiver. They gonna be feeding me balls.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right, right, right.

[Chad Johnson]

Pause. They won't be feeding me. They weren't throwing me no balls like that.

[Ocho Cinco]

Okay, okay.

[Chad Johnson]

They weren't gonna be throwing me football. They weren't feeding me footballs like that. There you go, man. So I knew that opportunity was gonna come back that day. It might come back at a later date and time, but it wasn't coming back that day. And I remember, Ocho.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

And so I dropped that play. And then at Wednesday's practice, man, I was catching. I was catching everything. I mean, I was taking stuff off my shoe tops. I was making stuff one handed. And Dan Reeves said, I mean, he's like, I sure wish you'd caught that one on Sunday like this.

[Ocho Cinco]

Sometimes say, listen, sometimes you relax at the wrong times.

[Chad Johnson]

Yep.

[Ocho Cinco]

Anytime I drop the ball, it's because I relax.

[Chad Johnson]

Ocho, you know what I did? I didn't extend. I did best. Yeah.

[Ocho Cinco]

Damn.

[Chad Johnson]

And so the ball just like, damn, boy, that hurt. Boy, that hurt. That hurt, that hurt. I remember going home crying. I called my brother, he said, man, what's wrong?

[Ocho Cinco]

I said, man, you wait till you got home. I was crying in the middle of the field.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, I wouldn't let him see. I couldn't let him see me cry because if somebody might have said somebody had to swing on somebody on the field. Oh, you make, you got jokes. Don't listen, man. I was in that car, man. I was in that car crash like, man, hey, you know, matter of fact, oh, you had a photo Blazer. I never forget. Had a four door Blazer.

[Ocho Cinco]

Boy. Damn. Hey, you know, you know me, boy. I let them tears fly, boy. I don't, I don't care where I'm at.

[Chad Johnson]

But that thing hurt, that hurt. And I, and I agree with Steph. And he's like, I'm not, not saying that I couldn't have figured it out at a later date in time, but I believe that was the moment that he's like, hold on, we Davidson, that's Gonzaga. And they, you know, they always in the playoffs, they always wanted to, you know, and when he took them down, look, I, I had never seen anybody shoot the ball like that, right? Not, not from that kind of distance, right? Not just pull up like that. He was, you know, like, he's six two. Like, he, he had the average. He got six five, six four, six five. And he just letting it go. I mean, he dancing on folks his shorts like three sides like if they made for his dad. You know what I'm saying? That he was just letting it fly.

[Ocho Cinco]

Bam.

[Chad Johnson]

He definitely left his mark. Man, Davidson, I wonder, with so many.

[Ocho Cinco]

Three point shooters that have come along, what separated Steph and made him as good as he is, what made him so great? I, I'm, I'm.

[Chad Johnson]

They gave him the green light to do it. You see, prior to Steph, only a handful. Think about it, Ocho. Everybody's shooting threes now. That was a. How many times. That's a Steph. There's no shot that Steph takes that people actually believe is a bad shot.

[Ocho Cinco]

Bad shot, right?

[Chad Johnson]

People were shooting some of the shots that Steph shoot routinely. End of the first quarter, end of the half, end of the shot clock, right? Steph would shoot that shot with 15, 16 seconds on the shot clock, on the shot clock. But somebody had to give him the confidence, saying, that's okay. Mark Jackson was that guy. Now he shot that and caught. But come to the NBA, guys weren't shooting no shots like Steph. Like I mean, dad, Reggie was a catch and shoot. Ray was a little. Was catch and shoot. But he could. Steph can dance and launch it from the timeline.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

You literally have to pick Step up at half court or he'll let it go.

[Ocho Cinco]

Right. And you think because with his ability to be able to create separation, create his own shot, it makes it that much more easier for him.

[Chad Johnson]

Yes, absolutely. Because. And plus the thing is, if you hug up on it, because he can't handle, he can put it on the floor and get by you.

[Ocho Cinco]

Get by you.

[Chad Johnson]

Yeah, he can get all the way to the rim. So now and then he runs constantly. He doesn't get tired. Because the first thing, if you get tired, your shot goes you short. He's. He's probably the best conditioned athlete because nobody's running as much as he does.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, he run a lot. He run a lot.

[Chad Johnson]

And he just let it fly.

[Ocho Cinco]

That'd be confusing. When I think about basketball and, you know, you're playing the warriors and as much as Steph run like me, you know how when they play defense and the DB say, listen, they in a bunch, we gonna banjo it. If you come in your area, you just pick him up, man, I forget, man. Just zone so you don't got to run all over the place after him.

[Chad Johnson]

Okay. And now again. And guess what happens now when they back pick that zone. Guess what? Steph, wide open. They gonna run. They're gonna run. They're gonna run you off so many screens.

[Ocho Cinco]

Oh, yeah, yeah, that, that, that's. That sucks.

[Chad Johnson]

And the thing is. And when you miss a shot, you would think because they're such a small team.

[Ocho Cinco]

They are small. Yeah.

[Chad Johnson]

That they're not gonna. They're one of the better rebounding teams. So when they get these long rebounds off the carom, Steph automatically goes to reset. So now you playing zone, okay? He go reset to one of those corners. He'll. He'll get it and he'll come all the way across in the corner and then he'll come up. Crazy, but some giving you confidence, like to. To shoot. Shoot it, son. No worries. We're not going to take you out. Shoot the ball.

[Ocho Cinco]

Hey, nobody else got the green like he does, huh?

[Chad Johnson]

Oh, they like. Our guys got it now, but he made it. Okay, now you see everybody shooting threes. Ocho, they shooting damn near 70 a game between the two teams.

[Ocho Cinco]

Not they. They are not as efficient as he is.

[Chad Johnson]

No, but if you think about it, at this point in time, Buddy Hill is ahead of where Steph Curry was with threes made. Anthony Edwards yes, because nobody was shooting them. They're shooting them now, right? Look at Jason Tatum. Look how many threes he shoots a game. Look how many Ant man shoots a game. Buddy Hill. Even though Buddy wasn't a star, Buddy was coming and letting the three go. Everybody letting the three. Everybody letting the three go. Now it's the three. And everybody think they Steph Curry, Are.

[Ocho Cinco]

You watching the AAU kids. Every age group, man, they shoot. They shooting from three.

[Chad Johnson]

They throwing the ball because they can't shoot it because they so small, they throw it.

[Ocho Cinco]

Yup.

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