Unc & Ocho Best of NBA: Unc & Ocho Best of NBA: Shaq BEEF with Gobert, D-Wade Says Kobe Top 3!

Summary

Club Shay Shay: Unc & Ocho Best of NBA – Shaq BEEF with Gobert, D-Wade Says Kobe Top 3!

Release Date: August 1, 2025

In this electrifying episode of Club Shay Shay, hosts Uncle (Unc) and Ocho delve deep into heated NBA debates, honoring legends, and advocating for WNBA players. Joined by special guest Joe, the trio navigates through intense discussions that are sure to captivate basketball enthusiasts and casual fans alike.

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1. Shaquille O'Neal's Critique of Rudy Gobert

The episode kicks off with Uncle bringing to light Shaquille O'Neal’s candid remarks about Rudy Gobert. Shaq doesn’t hold back, expressing strong opinions that spark immediate conversation among the hosts.

• [02:15] Shaquille O'Neal: "I hate Rudy Gobert. Why don't you like Rudy250? You don't deserve it, though. As the president of the Big Man Lions, you making big money. Play like a big man."

Shaq emphasizes the importance of physical dominance and presence on the court, urging Gobert to elevate his game to match his lucrative contracts.

• [02:26] Shaquille O'Neal: "Play like a big man. Throw some bowls, knock some people out. Don't be letting little white dudes from Denver dunk on you and talk to you. Then you gotta grab them by the chicken. Come on, bro. That's it. If you're gonna get paid big money, play big."

Unc and Ocho engage with Joe to dissect Shaq’s critiques, discussing Gobert's defensive prowess versus offensive limitations in today’s high-scoring NBA landscape.

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2. Dwyane Wade's Assertion: Kobe Bryant Among the Top 3 Players of All Time

A pivotal moment arrives when Uncle highlights Dwyane Wade’s bold statement placing Kobe Bryant in the top three NBA players of all time, challenging Bleacher Report’s ranking of Kobe at 11th.

• [31:31] Host: "Dwayne Wade says Kobe is a top three player of all time and goes off on Bleacher Report for ranking him 11th on their all time list."

The conversation intensifies as the hosts debate the criteria for such rankings, weighing championships, MVPs, and individual accolades. They scrutinize legends like Michael Jordan, LeBron James, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, questioning where Kobe fits among these titans.

• [18:03] Ocho: "I don't understand why Kobe Bryant is getting so much disrespect with all these lists, with him being rated so long."

The dialogue underscores the difficulty in categorizing players across different eras, emphasizing Kobe's legacy and his unparalleled impact on the game.

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3. Analyzing Kareem Abdul-Jabbar’s Legacy and MVP Voting System

The hosts turn to discuss Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, often underrated in all-time rankings, exploring his statistical dominance and the controversies surrounding MVP voting.

• [15:15] Host: "He had the scoring record for the longest. Had it for 40 years until LeBron broke it."

They delve into Kareem’s six MVP awards and his influence on the sport, juxtaposing it with the current MVP voting system that excludes player input, raising questions about favoritism and the integrity of accolades.

• [16:54] Host: "I don't understand why, though. I don't understand why the players can't vote. They think it's favoritism."

Unc and Ocho debate the fairness of leaving MVP decisions to non-players, suggesting that peer voting could lead to more authentic recognitions.

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4. Advocating for WNBA Player Salaries and Revenue Shares

Transitioning from NBA legends, the conversation shifts to the WNBA. Ocho passionately addresses the disparity in revenue shares between male and female players, advocating for increased salaries and better financial support.

• [31:31] Ocho: "They make a very small percentage of the revenue that they do bring in. Pay them what you owe them a little bit more than what they're already making based on the revenue that they bring in."

The hosts discuss the WNBA's financial struggles and the potential for growth with enhanced investment, highlighting the league’s expanding visibility and the dedication of its athletes.

• [35:00] Host: "WNBA players get 9.3% of the league revenue. NBA, NHL, NFL players get 50% of the revenue."

Ocho proposes ambitious goals for revenue shares, advocating for a realistic yet significant increase to ensure the sustainability and fairness of the league.

• [36:33] Host: "They lost 40 million last year. But in 26 they're going to go from getting 45 million annually for TV to 200 million annually."

The discussion emphasizes the importance of supporting women athletes and recognizing their contributions to the sport, encouraging listeners to attend games and champion the WNBA’s growth.

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5. Final Thoughts and Call to Action

As the episode wraps up, Uncle, Ocho, and Joe reflect on the passionate debates and the importance of honoring basketball legends while pushing for equality in women’s sports.

• [44:27] Ocho: "You support the young ladies. They dope as hell."

The hosts encourage listeners to support the WNBA, attend games, and advocate for better financial treatment of female athletes, concluding with a strong message of loyalty and commitment to the sport’s future.

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Notable Quotes:

• Shaquille O'Neal [02:15]: "I hate Rudy Gobert... If you're gonna get paid big money, play big."
• Dwyane Wade [31:31]: "Kobe is a top three player of all time."
• Ocho [31:31]: "Pay them what you owe them a little bit more..."
• Uncle [16:54]: "I don't understand why the players can't vote."

This episode of Club Shay Shay masterfully blends nostalgia with current debates, providing listeners with insightful analyses and passionate advocacies. Whether rekindling memories of NBA greats or championing the growth of the WNBA, Unc and Ocho deliver engaging content that resonates deeply with their audience.

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[Host]

Shaq has some words for Rudy Gobert. Let's take a listen to what Shaq had to say about Rudy.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

I hate Rudy Gobert. Why don't you like Rudy250? You don't deserve it, though. As the president of the Big Man Lions, you making big money. Play like a big man.

[Host]

Right?

[Shaquille O'Neal]

That's it. Play like a big man. Throw some bowls, knock some people out. Don't be letting little white dudes from Denver dunk on you and talk to you. Then you gotta grab them by the chicken. Come on, bro. That's it. If you're gonna get paid big money, play big.

[Host]

I just want Shaq to still be on TV when Rudy gets into the hall of Fame, because it's gonna.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Rudy Gobert gets into the hall of Fame. Get to the hall of Fame. I'll wear this dress to the ceremony.

[Host]

Shaq.

[Joe]

Hey, look, I think with Shaq, because Rudy is not an offensive guy. Meaning.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Joe]

He ain't shooting the ball outside the paint.

[Host]

So, no, hey, they.

[Joe]

They. They ain't never gonna get rooted. No credit on that. He is a defensive b.

[Host]

He's a defensive guy.

[Joe]

Hey, hey, timing is everything, man. You know, he came along at the right time, but if you looking for him to offensively wow you when you think he got. Has a mismatch, I think that's kind of like what Shaq thinking. He like, man, he ain't dominating the game. Like, you getting paid 200 some million.

[Host]

You can't dominate Shaq. Like, Shaq was going up two people, three people. If you didn't have at least three people on Shaq, Shaq was dunking on you.

[Joe]

It wasn't even fair.

[Host]

You. Every team that Shaq played against, they had three bigs. They had 18 fouls to give Ocho.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Host]

Cause two guys falling out. Hey, listen. Well, they're gonna have 10 files.

[Joe]

Oh. So I came in at 01. That was Shackneck. Shaq was still in, like, the primer.

[Host]

That was the apex. Shack 2000. 1, 2, 3.

[Joe]

Yeah, you can give it up, brother. We're gonna try to give you as much help as we can. You got to fight him. Yeah. It was unreal to try to stop that dude. He was so huge and agile. I was like, it was unreal, bro. It was unreal.

[Ocho]

All right, that's funny, Shake.

[Host]

Shag ain't gonna let it go. And. And the thing is, though, here's the problem that you run into Deserve. I mean, deserve is a very, very tricky word.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Host]

Because sometimes we get God's mercy and grace when we don't deserve it. Yeah. I look at it like this.

[Ocho]

My notepad, man.

[Host]

Rudy's earned the money. Based on what they pay his body of work, he's earned 100 million, 200 million. Whatever they pay him. Shaq ain't no Shaq. If you waiting on somebody to be like you, you never gonna see it with your own eyes in your lifetime. Yeah.

[Joe]

Hey, analytically, when they. When they look at it from that point of view, he dominates the game. You know what I mean?

[Host]

Yes. Yes. Yeah.

[Joe]

So they looking at it from a deeper perspective nowadays, but yes. You know, I kind of. I kind of understand what Shaq is talking about. But Rudy's just not an offensive guy, bro. He can't.

[Host]

Right.

[Joe]

He ain't scoring outside that paint, period.

[Host]

And you know what it is, Joe? And it looks worse in this era because the scoring is up. See, if he was back in Shaq's era, he'd been perfect.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

Cause they never say anything about Rick Smith. They didn't say anything. They didn't say anything about Dwight Howard. But Dwight had some years where he was 20. He averaged 20 points and 12, 14 rebounds. So Dwight Howard was always more of an offensive threat than Rudy Gobert. But you look at Ben Wallace.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

So he's looking at it in today's time, when you got four or five guys average of 30, and you got 15. 20, 30. 20 guys averaging 20. And Shaq, like, bro, you seven, three. You seven, one, seven, three. And, bro, you giving 12 points a game. And so shaggy. Look at it like, bro, for 250, if they didn't. Shaq's looking at it. This is how Shaq's thinking. Shaq said they had played me 250. I give him 40 a night.

[Joe]

Right? Absolutely.

[Host]

That's how Shaq's thinking.

[Joe]

Absolutely. And y' all don't think the. Hey, these guys, look at these contracts and the money that these dudes making nowadays. If y' all don't think, they look at it and kind of frown upon it. Some of them.

[Host]

Yes.

[Joe]

They can't help it. Cause you can only put yourself in that position. Like, man, if I was around this time, I'd be making X amount of. You know what I mean?

[Host]

Yes. But what you think. What you think Will and Mr. Russell was thinking when they making $20,000 a year and they see guys making 17, 18 million a year? Yeah, the same thing on Charlie. Look, I'm looking at these guys now. We talked about George kittle. He's making 19 million. Ozzy and Kellen and, and, and. And Mike Dicker and, and, and. And John Mackey. They looking at me when I was making. When I was making the money I was making. And guess what? In 10 years from now, they're gonna be a guy making a hundred million dollars a year in basketball. A Hyundai.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Host]

Because they say Ant man could possibly be making 82 million in 2027 season. 27, 28. Ant man could possibly get the highest contract. 82 million a year. A million Dollars a game. Yeah, man. Hey, hey, man, we.

[Joe]

We have to pay respects to the people who came before us because.

[Host]

Yes.

[Joe]

Hey, the money these dudes making now, boy. Hey, it's ridiculous.

[Host]

Shaq also bet Mike Tyson that Klay Thompson's new relationship with Meg the Stallion won't last more than six weeks, man. She watched Shaq be like this. Hey, man, just give his opinion, man.

[Ocho]

Clay, Clay, Clay out there in the gym. They going golfing. They doing all kind of stuff.

[Host]

Yeah, I'm happy for him.

[Ocho]

That's nice. That's nice, Clay.

[Joe]

Living his best life, man.

[Host]

I mean, that's what. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's. I think it's different now. I think with social media do. I think, like, athletes dated, like, celebs and entertainers? Sure. But they kept it hush, hush.

[Ocho]

Now.

[Host]

You can get a picture anyway. Now. Yeah, now I think now Joe and Ocho, it's, hey, you cross or you're an athlete or something, you want to date a Meg the Stallion, or you want to date a Glorilla, or you want to date, you know, whomever. I don't want to throw nobody name out there because, you know, she's somebody trying to be messy, so. But I'm just saying, if you were an athlete and you're. Saul's Garden is dating somebody. He dating somebody. Was Ice Spice.

[Ocho]

Ice Spice?

[Joe]

Yeah, I think so.

[Host]

Yeah. So a situation like that, you go out to.

[Ocho]

You.

[Joe]

You go out to eat, you. Y' all might just be in the, as my grandma say, the coding phase, y'.

[Host]

All. You don't know.

[Joe]

You know what I mean? You can't do nothing nowadays, Ocho.

[Ocho]

Nah, nah, nah, nah. But listen, if you want to hide, it's. Hiding is possible. If you really want to hide.

[Host]

Yeah. Oh, you. But, but see, but here's the thing, Ocho. A lot of people like what you hiding me from. Do you got something that you don't. You tried me. You don't want people to know about me. You got somebody over here?

[Ocho]

Yeah, of course they do. Yeah.

[Joe]

Man, I know some people just like they privacy, bro.

[Host]

They do. Ocho, everybody don't want to be like you out there like that.

[Joe]

Oh, yo, dead serious, bro. Some people really like to chill, bro. They don't really be in there for the. For the. For the hooping and Holland, bro. For real.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Host]

Okay.

[Ocho]

All right.

[Host]

I'm letting you go this bad. Be on this, boy. Be wilding.

[Joe]

So you mean, tell me nowadays, when people date nowadays, if I ain't got you if. If I ain't got you splattered all over my.

[Host]

Yeah, my profile.

[Ocho]

You know, man, even if you are splattered on the profile ain't stopping. That ain't changing. Not gonna do is sit on here and act like, come on now.

[Host]

No, Ocho, I'm not saying that that doesn't happen. But some people like their privacy, right? That's all. Everybody don't want to date publicly. Everybody don't want to be in a public relationship because guess what? The minute everybody. Because the moment you make it public, you get everybody feel like they have the ability to chime in. And so if you break up, if you break up, if you date publicly, what you got to do, how you break up, Ocho, Right?

[Ocho]

Probably.

[Host]

But everybody don't like that. Ocho.

[Ocho]

I like it. It don't bother me. I like it.

[Host]

Okay, that's you.

[Ocho]

I go through the same stuff. The regular people, I'm regular too, but we all go through the same. What am I hiding for?

[Joe]

They just may deal with it internally, differently with it.

[Host]

It ain't necessarily just like when you say, hey, some people grade differently.

[Ocho]

Listen, it is good though. If you date publicly, you break up publicly. Then you have your supporters to help you cope. See, boom, there you go. See why you want to break up. And then you sitting at home crying, curled up in your bed, you ain't.

[Joe]

Got to be doing all that.

[Host]

You ain't got to do all that. And who's to say? Who to say you're not doing that, even though you putting on that front?

[Ocho]

I don't know. I don't do. I don't do no crying. I'm just saying I don't like. I don't like your tone towards me.

[Host]

No, I'm just saying, just because you out there, you said a lot of times people be doing things publicly and privately, they broke, they unhappy. Yeah, okay.

[Ocho]

Oh, no.

[Host]

That's all. I mean, nobody looking at. You know the hell no damn way.

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[Ocho]

Ugh.

[Host]

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[Host]

Dwayne Wade says Kobe is a top three player of all time and goes off on Bleacher Report for ranking him 11th on their all time list. If you ask us, Hooper, who, who played against Cole, all of us are going to talk top three of all time.

[Joe]

I agree.

[Host]

So what about the guys that played against Kareem? Where are we gonna rank Kareem? All the guys that play. All the guys that played against Jordan, somebody. So I'm not saying Kobe should be 11th. I'm not. Look, whatever the case may be, but you see what Jordan, you see with Jordan, Jordan got number one and I think the lowest he ranked was what, two or three? LeBron. The highest he ranked was two. Maybe the lowest he ranked was like three. So for the most part, people have been having Jordan going back and forth. Okay, wherever you go, I. Look, you can debate this until the cows come home, but. And I've said this, Joe, the guy that gets undervalued the most is Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Yep. I agree because he had, he had the.

[Joe]

He had the scoring record for the longest.

[Host]

Had it for 40 years until LeBron broke it.

[Joe]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

Almost 40 years. Nobody thought. They didn't think. Nobody. First of all big guys played that long. Because after you get to a certain point, hey, Kareem. Hey, Kareem, get the rebound and kick it out. Hey, Magic will hold that thing up. Let Kareem get down there to the block. Kareem, throw that hand up. They throw it to him. He throw the sky hook, go back down. Nobody thought anybody was gonna break it, because even when Carl Malone got close, Karl Malone, body fell apart. Kobe started falling apart. Jordan started. Body started breaking down. So, like, ain't nobody gonna break it. They didn't think nobody could break it. But he got six MVPs. Six. He got more than anybody. Yeah. And back then, the last. That was the last year that the players were allowed to vote. The players used to vote for the mvp, Joe.

[Joe]

Yeah, I know. They don't let it. They don't let it happen no more.

[Host]

No. Because in 62. Was it 62, I think. No, no, no, no, no. Might have been 66.

[Joe]

But I don't understand why, though. I don't understand why, why, why the players can't vote. They think it's favoritism.

[Host]

Yep.

[Joe]

They don't think they'll keep it real, huh?

[Host]

Nope. They not. Because of my friend, my buddy. That's how it was for the Pro Bowl. Amen, man. Hey, such and such. Hey, man, make sure you vote for such and such. No, y' all ain't gonna keep it real. Let's be real. We got friends and they on the ballot. I'm gonna vote for him. Hey. Plus, he had a contract here, knowing that if he makes first or second team, all NBA, guess what he gets. He gets a supermax contract.

[Ocho]

Yep.

[Host]

But then.

[Joe]

But then here's the thing. Then we leave it in the hands of people who've never played the sport before.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Joe]

And now.

[Host]

Then.

[Joe]

Now you're still gonna have a drawback from that.

[Host]

You're not gonna. Yeah. You're not gonna. You're not gonna be able to appease everybody.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Host]

Somebody gonna have. Somebody's gonna be upset. What you say. So let me ask you this, Joe. You played the game. Yeah. Where would you rank Kobe in front.

[Joe]

Of all those guys?

[Host]

So you got him in the top. You got him in the top five.

[Joe]

I was thinking more like two. Guardish, I didn't know he was talking about, like, the whole league.

[Host]

Yeah. Because they. See, they didn't write. They didn't rank, position. They ranked the top. What was it? The top 25 to top 100 as. Can you pop the list up? Right. Okay, here it is. There was a top 100. Number one was Michael Jordan. Number two was LeBron James. Number three was Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Number four was Magic Johnson. Number five was Shaquille O'. Neal. Number seven is Tim Duncan. Number 11 is Larry Bird. Number nine is Wilt Chamberlain. Number 10 is Stephen Curry. Number 11 was Kobe Bryant.

[Ocho]

That's tough.

[Joe]

I don't know. I got. I. I'm g. Have to put him in that top 10. I don't know who I'm taking out.

[Host]

But, see, that's the thing. Oo. What we tell Joe, what we do?

[Joe]

We got a picture. If you bring somebody in, you gotta take somebody out.

[Host]

Yep. What is that?

[Ocho]

You can see that.

[Host]

It's blurry.

[Ocho]

Damn.

[Host]

What is it?

[Ocho]

Me and. Me and Kobe sitting there arguing that News Cafe.

[Host]

Yeah. Would you take. When you. Who. Who you taking out? You taking out Jordan? You taking out LeBron, Kareem, Magic, Russell, Shaq, Duncan, Bird, Will Curry. Because I guarantee you guys that played against Magic Johnson say Magic Johnson's not coming out of the top five.

[Joe]

Absolutely.

[Host]

Guys that played against Shaq. Tim Duncan is very underrated. Very underrated. Larry Bird.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Host]

I mean, what we doing? Will. Will average. What did we average? He won MVP as a rookie. I think he averaged like, that's. Who are the range and 27. Who go. Who gonna get 24, 000 rebounds, Joe?

[Joe]

Man, nobody getting that. Man, the numbers he put up were.

[Host]

You might as well just. You might as well just take. You might as well just start over. Say, you know what? We want somebody to really realistically have a chance of getting rebounds. And so. Because you're not going to get it, but even if you did that, ain't nobody gonna catch Kareem.

[Ocho]

Nah, nah.

[Host]

Ain't nobody gonna catch. Ain't no. There ain't no rebounders. First of all, the guys shoot too well now. They don't miss that many shots in order for you to get the. Will got the record with 55 rebounds in a game. Nobody getting 55 rebounds in a game. I can't remember. I can't remember. I don't know if anybody. I can't. I think the most rebound I think somebody's gotten that I can remember is probably 34, 35. Yeah. So just think you still 15 rebounds short, so you're not going to get that.

[Joe]

Nobody get.

[Host]

The question is, if we put Kobe in the top 10, who we take it out? That's a good question. Because if you. If you look. If you look at it. If you look at. Let's let's be real. Only two guys. Only one guy in the top 10 got one regular season MVP. That's Shaq. But he got three postseason MVPs, right? Mike got five, Jordan got four, Kareem's got six, Magic's got three, Russell's got five, Duncan's got three. Duncan's got two MVPs, I think two with regular season. Bird got three, Wilt has four, Steph Curry has two. Okay, Finals MVPs, Jordan has six, LeBron has four, Kareem has two, Magic has three. They didn't have that with Russell. Shaq has three, Duncan has three, Bird has two. They didn't have that. They had. I think Wilt had a chance to get it once, so. And Curry has one Finals mvp. It's tougher than you think. It really is. Because it can't just be about scoring. It's got to be about all star games. Finals, finals, MVPs, regular season MVPs, all NBAs. I think all that has to factor in. So what? So let's just say for the sake of argument, we're gonna put him in it. We're gonna put him in the top 11. Are we kicking Steph out? Are we kicking Wilt out? We kicking Larry out. We kicking Duncan, Shaq, Russell, Magic. Who? Who you kicking out, Joe?

[Joe]

I gotta get Bean in there some way, somehow.

[Host]

Well, you gotta take somebody out. It's okay if you take LeBron.

[Joe]

No.

[Host]

Jordan, Green, Magic.

[Joe]

No.

[Host]

We gonna get him in, but we ain't gonna get him in those expense. Chad. Who y' all want out? Who are we kicking out? Chat to kick it out, to get Kobe. I just think. I think it's hard. I think it's hard.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

Errors, errors makes it difficult because people like, well, I can't take Bill Russell. Like, he got 11 championships. He got 11 championships and five MVPs. Shaq was as dominant as anybody that's ever played the game. Duncan 2 and 3 a 15 time. All in all, defensive selection. Bird was the last guy to win three consecutive MVPs. Wilt won four, Stephen got two. What's the chat saying?

[Joe]

That's a hell of a class to be in, boy.

[Host]

Yeah. Chad is saying, take Steph out.

[Joe]

Take Step out to put Kobe in there.

[Ocho]

Hey, I don't. I don't understand why Kobe Bryant is getting so much disrespect with all these lists, with him being rated so long.

[Joe]

What's disrespect? What's disrespectful?

[Ocho]

Ojo the only the people that Actually played against Kobe, actually have him much higher than those that didn't play against him.

[Host]

But here's the thing. A lot of this happened when Kobe passed. Because I remember the number when Kobe was alive, people saying he was a ball hog and he was selfish. The very people that said he was a ball hog is selfish, they praise and Loddie, they praised and lauded him in depth when they didn't give him that praise and adulation when he's alive.

[Ocho]

Right?

[Host]

Okay. They say Kobe is top three. So D. Wade, who are you taking out of the top three? You taking Jordan, LeBron or Kareem out? Because you said he's top three. That's what I need to know.

[Ocho]

Listen, knowing D. Wade, just based off.

[Host]

He would probably take.

[Ocho]

He would probably take Kareem out, the.

[Host]

Man that was the all time leading scorer despite.

[Ocho]

Despite exactly what you getting ready to.

[Host]

Say, yes, with six MVPs. Yes, with five championships, yes, the all time leading scorer, third lead rebounder.

[Joe]

He ain't taking him out.

[Host]

Oh, Joe, you don't think so you take it. You take a LeBron out.

[Joe]

No.

[Host]

4 regular season MVPs. 4 finals MVPs. 21 time all star. 21. No. 21 time all star. 21 time all NBA selection.

[Ocho]

You know what?

[Host]

3, 5, 3 finals, 3 all star game MVPs. You taking Jordan out 10 times, scoring.

[Joe]

You ain't gotta talk.

[Host]

Okay, I saw. So I just want to know. D. Wade said he's top three. I just want to know who he's taking out of the top three to put Kobe in.

[Joe]

I'm gonna have to ask D. Wade that. I don't know. I'm having a hard time. I'm having a hard time getting him in there.

[Host]

Top three.

[Ocho]

You know what? I'm gonna. I'm gonna ask him.

[Host]

Because. Because the way you do it, like, okay, such and such should have made it because you. Y', all, do you do this up? Joe, such and such should have made the All Star game. Okay, if I take the all star team, if I take. If I put him in, who am I taking out? Ocho, we do this all the time with the Pro Bowl. Should have made it. I said, well, Ocho, who you taking out?

[Ocho]

Yeah, I get it. It's tough.

[Host]

So that. So forget the top 10. D. Wade didn't say he should have been top 10. D. Wade said he should have been top three. So with that being said, that means Jordan, Lebron or Kareem has to come out. There's no way or other around it because you can't have. I don't think they. Maybe they did a little later down, but nobody would. They had, you know, okay, two guys at number four or two guys at number 12 or 13. Michael Jordan, LeBron James, Kareem Abdul Jabbar. He pray on what.

[Ocho]

Again? I'm telling you who he's taking out. You know he ain't taking out Jordan. You know he ain't taking out LeBron.

[Host]

Cap, he taking out Cap, going to take out Kareem.

[Ocho]

Despite all the accolades that you just ran down, I guarantee you.

[Host]

People don't realize how good Kareem was.

[Joe]

Man.

[Host]

He was gonna win the third MVP had he not messed his ankle up. Because go back and look at the numbers. When Magic won the Finals MVP, go back and look at Kareem's numbers. Baller, 33 and 14. That's what he was averaging. Yeah, Kareem had some years where he was 32 and 16. Y', all, like I said, just go back and look at Kareem's career. Look, I understand. A lot of people didn't like Kareem. A lot of people didn't like that he changed his name because he wasn't originally Kareem Abdul Jabbar. He was a very surly. He didn't get along with a lot. He. Kareem ain't take no junk. Go back. You did something to Kareem. Kareem was punching you in your face. It really. It was. It was really that simple. He rubbed a lot of report. That's why he didn't get no job. That's why he didn't get no head coaching job. Think about all the greats that wanted to coach, got an opportunity. Coach Bill Russell, Sam Jones, Jerry West, Casey Jones, Tom Henson. There were a lot of greats. Elgin Baylor, a lot of the greats that wanted to. Kareem never got that opportunity. Larry Bird, Magic Johnson.

[Joe]

He was a bad boy, man. Hey, he probably had.

[Host]

The media didn't like the media. The players loved him. Yeah, the players loved him. Because you know how I know? The players loved it, Mocho. They voted him six times mvp.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Host]

That's what I. Hey, D. Wade, the Nightcap Crew, my Ocho Joe and myself. You said Kobe is top three. I need to know who you're taking out of that top three. That's it. Somebody's got to come out. You go, you. You can't have four guys in the top three.

[Joe]

And I'm gonna tell you now, MJ made the game sexy. He ain't taking MJ out of there, okay? And then you know, he ain't taking Brian out of there. That man, every. Every bucket he score is in history books. Like, everything.

[Host]

He got a joe, he got a cake, and he done got icing on it. And all he do is just keep adding more and more ice every time.

[Joe]

Hey, every time he touched the flow. Yeah, hey, he gonna be making it. He making it harder and harder for the next person who even think they gonna catch him.

[Host]

Yes. In All Star Games, do you realize the man got 21 straight start? All Star game starts.

[Joe]

It's not gonna happen.

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[Host]

Ocho WNBA players warmed up In T shirts ahead of the All Star game last night, the T shirts featuring the world words, pay us what you owe us. After the. After the All Star game, when the Fisher Fee Collier won the MVP trophy, the crowd chanted, pay them. Pay them. Pay them. Ocho. Yeah, what you thinking?

[Ocho]

Listen, pay it. Pay them what they owe. Now, listen, I keep hearing rumblings. I don't know enough about this to get in depth with it and talk about it like I should, but I understand they get a very small percentage of revenue the. That they do bring in.

[Host]

Right?

[Ocho]

Stay. Stay with me now. Chat, y'.

[Host]

All. I'm listening. I'm listening.

[Ocho]

They make a very small percentage of the revenue that they do bring in. Pay them what you owe them a little bit more than what they're already making based on the revenue that they bring in.

[Host]

Okay.

[Ocho]

I mean, it's not rocket science. It's not complicated. NFL players, I'm not sure what percentage of NFL revenue that they make that they get.

[Host]

48 of 48.

[Ocho]

If I'm not mistaken, I might have saw something that said NBA players get 9% of NBA revenue. WNBA.

[Host]

No, that's. The WNBA get 9% of the revenue.

[Ocho]

Let's get that up a little bit more. That's all. That's all. The game, the game for them, for the women, is continuing to grow. A lot of people make a fuss. Oh, don't nobody watch this, dad. Ain't nobody watching them. Oh, people are watching. They're filling up the stands. Every goddamn game I go to, I see the lines. Hell, I've been to the games. So somebody lying, Twitter, lying to me. Because every. Every time I turn on the game or look at a game, the stadium is full. Everyone, ah.

[Host]

Pay us what you owe. That's a slippery slope.

[Ocho]

Why?

[Host]

Because from everything that I've read, the WNBA has never turned a profit. So if I never turned a profit, Ocho. So let me get this right. I'm losing money, but you want to raise.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Host]

Something adding up?

[Ocho]

Wait a minute. If you never turned a profit, WNBA been around two.

[Host]

How long.

[Ocho]

How many years now?

[Host]

96, I think the year they started. And they never turned.

[Ocho]

They've never turned a profit, but it still seems to be running just well and fine and continuing to grow. Some.

[Host]

Some. I mean, look, there's. Some says that the NBA is supplementing. Some people say they're not supplementing. But the one thing that's. That's not being refuted is that they're not making the money where they could. Like, the reason why the Salaries for the. Think about it, Ocho, right. J.J. watt made $112 million.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Host]

In his career.

[Ocho]

His career, right.

[Host]

His brother just got 123 million dollar contract for three years. Because why the NFL revenue is increasing exponentially.

[Ocho]

Okay, I like that. But listen, if WNBA been around since 96. Yeah. Not good at math. So I'm not going to say how many years it's been at some point in that time, whether it turns a profit or not, that profit has still increasingly got better and better and better. So if you only make 9% of the profit and what revenue that you bring in right now, there's nothing wrong with making a little bit more. Just a little bit more.

[Host]

Don't give it to how much. Oh, because I think, look, I don't.

[Ocho]

Think that's not my area expertise that would be. That would be amongst them to figure out.

[Host]

Right.

[Ocho]

But I'm just saying just a little bit more.

[Host]

A lot of times, Ocho, when you feel you've been underpaid for the length of time that you've been underpaid. Right. You don't feel that's enough. You don't feel they can pay you enough. I can't pay back pay you for 30 years.

[Ocho]

I like that.

[Host]

Right, Jay? The WNBA players get 9.3% of the league revenue. NBA, NHL, NFL players get 50% of the revenue. The WNBA did lose $40 million in 2024. A large part was that was due to they are currently signed to which 2026 goes from roughly 45 million to 200 million annually. This will result in the essence. Result in essence, the league making money overnight and losing 40 million to a net gain of 115. Just alone in TV deals. Even if game tickets sold were to stop growing the merch, stop selling it will still be in the green. So with that being said, hold on.

[Ocho]

Lost 40 million.

[Host]

Yes.

[Ocho]

Lost.

[Host]

Yes.

[Ocho]

You sure you read that right? You said lost.

[Host]

They lost 40 million last year. Yes, but. But in 26 they're going to go from getting 45 million annually for TV to 200 million annually.

[Ocho]

Yeah, there we go. Now we talking, now we talking business. But pay us what you owe.

[Host]

But still no, I'm going to pay you moving forward. I'm not trying to make up for back pay.

[Ocho]

Okay, okay. Well, okay, don't pay us what you owe, pay us moving forward. But it better be looking better than that 99.8% that we are getting. Okay?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

And listen, the game is growing tremendously. More eyes, more visibility, kids are watching. Listen, what Caitlin Clark has been able to do, along with the others that laid the foundation, that laid the. The. The footprint, huh? The Asia Wilsons, you know, the Angel Reese's, like. Like, I. I like where it's going. Paige Buckers. I mean, come on, man.

[Host]

Beckers.

[Ocho]

Beckers. Yeah, my bad. I'm talking about book. I was thinking about. I was thinking about jam. Yeah. So I was thinking about Smuckers. My bad, my bad.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Host]

But, yeah, I think the thing is. I think. Let's see, the nine, you got at least. I mean, at least you got to get the 20 at the bare damn minimum, right?

[Ocho]

You say. Listen, you said 20. I was. I was gonna say 90.

[Host]

No, but I'm saying. I'm saying that's at the bare minimum, right?

[Ocho]

You right. You right. I like it. Shoot.

[Host]

Look, Ocho, look, you and I both know they're not about to get the 50. They're not about to get the 50.

[Ocho]

That's. That's. That's. That's not.

[Host]

They're not gonna get 50.

[Ocho]

No.

[Host]

So maybe. Hey, can we triple it? Can we get to. Can we get to 27, 28%?

[Ocho]

Yeah, do right. Shoot. They need to leave. They need to. Let me. Let me. Let me go in there. I get what. I get. I get you what you owe. I get. I get what you owe. Put me in that goddamn room with. Who would I have to talk to if it comes down to.

[Host]

To the owners.

[Ocho]

The owners.

[Host]

Oh, well, I mean, what's. What's the lady. That's the. The. The commissioner. What's the lady? Kathy Engelberg. Engelhardt. Engelbert.

[Ocho]

Yeah. I.

[Host]

So basically, you work with the commissioners and their lawyer and the WNBA lawyers, and you have the. The wnba PA and their lawyers, and they're like, okay, yeah.

[Ocho]

Right. Yeah. All right. Walking out. Walking in with my nice suit on. How you doing?

[Host]

They. Yeah, I. I think. Look, so you're increasing. You. You're increasing basically 4%, 4 and a half percent, right? So you going up. I mean, you think about you going from four and a half. So you. Four times. Four and a half times the money, you're going from 45 million annually to 200 million annually. And they're looking to bring on a couple other teams, right?

[Ocho]

Oh, we need a Miami team. Maybe I could be the owner of the Miami team.

[Host]

They. They had a Miami team. First of all, y' all barely support the Heat. Stop.

[Ocho]

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on now. Don't, don't, don't.

[Host]

And they had a good Player, Ruth Riley, she used to. She was one of the better players in the wnba. She used to go to this boutique, spin studio, so. But nah, no, not in Miami. Yeah, too much going on.

[Ocho]

What you mean? But we. Man, you know what.

[Host]

How y' all doing with the Marlins? The Marlins. How y' all do with the Heat? You know, y' all come to the game at halftime, at the heats, right?

[Ocho]

Yeah, but hold on. Listen to me. Listen to me real quick. See, it's one thing. This is what I love about Miami, okay? Let's talk about the women. We talk about the wnba. One thing about women is women show up on time. One thing about women. Women support each other.

[Host]

You know why? We know they don't. That's why we're in the situation that we're in. Because if women supported each other, it'd be more. That's the problem.

[Ocho]

Okay?

[Host]

The women ain't supporting the women in the wnba.

[Ocho]

Right, I see. Yeah, okay, you're right. You're right. I just think for some reason, if I was to start a WNB franchise, that thing would be lit. Boy, I. I have. It's not American Airlines arena no more. What is it?

[Host]

Hell, don't start me the line. Hell, you live in Miami.

[Ocho]

I forgot the name of the arena. It was fta. I mean, listen, all them scam, they. They be scamming the names and they keep changing. So I don't know.

[Host]

But yeah, I want. Look, I think. Can we get. Can we get the salary. Can we get the top salaries to at least a million dollars a year?

[Ocho]

Ocho, now we talking. Can we get. Before Juju get here. Can we get it like that?

[Host]

Can we get at least. Can we get. I mean, I think the highest you can make is what, 245, 250.

[Ocho]

Nah, make it 500, man. Make it 500. Hey, eight of them young ladies. 18 young ladies. Boy, when they be 17 million, who makes that?

[Host]

Oh, so now you talk about 3 million. You have some 3 million dollar. Some 3 million dollar with ladies. Yeah, yeah.

[Ocho]

And Asia Wilson, she should be making.

[Host]

3 million a year. I was hoping that like triple it go to 27, 28. I don't think they go into 40, Ash. I don't think they're gonna even get to 30. The Internet math only did it for 40. I think realistically, 20. I think what you. I think 20, 25. And maybe go incrementally from there from that point.

[Ocho]

Hey, hey, man, that's a. Hey, that's a good idea, man. Now that I think about it what I would sit here pondering and reflecting on. Like me. Me and you, we can go half on a WNBA franchise in my man, they were.

[Host]

Hey, do you see the Valkyries? They just got. They just got valued at 500 million.

[Ocho]

Who?

[Host]

The Valkyrie. They just came into existence last year. 500 million. The Liberty. 450.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Host]

No, Shannon, no joke. Ain't gonna fit to do nothing.

[Ocho]

Nah, listen, I'm. Let me. Let me call. I'm gonna call Jeff tomorrow. I'm gonna set up a call with Jeff. I'm gonna set up a call with Jeff.

[Host]

Yeah, because those franchises are becoming very. I mean, you see, Eli. Eli backed out of. You know, he was supposed to become a. A solid partner, but, you know, 1% partner with the. With the. The Giants. Eli Manning.

[Ocho]

Okay. He said no, bro.

[Host]

You see the valuation of these teams.

[Ocho]

Oh, yeah.

[Host]

So even. Even if you talking 1%, Ocho, you're talking hundreds of millions.

[Ocho]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Host]

Ain't a whole lot of people just sitting on $100 million can go get their hands on $100 million.

[Ocho]

O Joe, I know somebody.

[Host]

Yeah, I know somebody, too.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Host]

It just ain't nobody. Ain't nobody I'm really close to. I know some people, too. It just ain't nobody I'm close to. Yeah, I know some people. Hey, I know a few people.

[Ocho]

Hey, that was a good one. That was a good one.

[Host]

I don't think people really. I mean, when you could just go, hey, go touch. I mean, you can go touch it, man. Look here. Nah, but I. Look, I would like to see them at least at the absolute bare minimum, it goes to double, which would be 18 and a half to 19%. I would like it be somewhere, you know, being realistic. I like to be realistic. I be pie in the sky and say, yeah, let it be like the NFL, the NBA, and so on and so on. But that's not gonna happen. Out the top, off the rip. So if we can get that thing somewhere between 20 and 25%.

[Ocho]

I like it. Make it. Make it 24 and.

[Host]

And. And go out and support them.

[Ocho]

Yeah, God, support them people. I know y' all listening. And whatever. Whatever city you in, make sure you go out there, you support. You support the young ladies.

[Host]

Who are these ladies?

[Ocho]

Shoot goddamn game dope as hell. Every time I think about that goddamn experience at the Atlanta Dream Game in Atlanta, man. Jesus Christ, stop playing.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Ocho]

Hey, wait.

[Host]

$2 million a year. I feel happy.

[Ocho]

You heard me, huh? Houston got a team.

[Host]

They had a team to Comets. They won the first Four NBA titles.

[Ocho]

So no more.

[Host]

But I think that. Aren't they trying to come get. Get another team in Detroit? Because Detroit had the Shock. Detroit won the championship when Cheryl Ford.

[Ocho]

Right.

[Host]

Who was Carl Malone's daughter. She was. She was. They won the title.

[Ocho]

Yeah.

[Host]

I don't think Cleveland ever. Who else had a. Miami had a team. Houston had a team. Detroit had a team. I'm trying to think, does anybody else. Sacramento used to have a team. They had the Monarchs, Keisha Penichero, the Miami Soul. Okay. Charlotte and Rockers. Oh, the Rock. So Cleveland did have a. Oh, wow. Okay. I think Portland's gonna keep the same name, aren't they? Is it because you said Cleveland, Detroit. What's the other one? Portland?

[Ocho]

No, Philly.

[Host]

Philly. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Just Josh Harris, right? Yeah. Yeah, I'll figure. Yeah, I, I think. Hey, I'm hoping. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. 20, 25.

[Ocho]

Yeah, I like it.

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