MISSING: Maura Murray

Summary

Clues with Morgan Absher & Kaelyn Moore

Podcast: Crime House
Episode: MISSING: Maura Murray
Date: November 19, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this episode, hosts Morgan Absher and Kaelyn Moore explore the case of Maura Murray, a 21-year-old nursing student who mysteriously vanished after a car accident on a rural New Hampshire road in February 2004. The discussion dissects Maura's background, her final days, odd clues, police response, and the subsequent web sleuthing phenomenon, highlighting new possible suspects and the persistent efforts of her family—especially her sister, Julie Murray—to keep the search for Maura alive. The episode combines empathetic storytelling with methodical breakdowns of evidence and theories, aiming to separate fact from speculation while keeping the victim at the narrative’s center.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Why the Case Matters: A Viral Missing Person

• Maura Murray's disappearance was one of the first missing persons cases to "go viral" on early social media platforms. At the time, "Facebook was like four, five days old" (03:25, Morgan Absher).
• Julie Murray, Maura’s sister, has been a powerful advocate in keeping the case in the public eye and believes it can still be solved (04:45, Kayla Moore).

2. Maura Murray’s Background

• Born in 1982, Maura was a high-achieving student and athlete, former West Point cadet, and later a nursing student at UMass Amherst.
• From a family that valued academics and athletics, Maura "scored in the 95th percentile of her SATs" and "made it all the way to the cross-country nationals" (07:38, Kayla Moore).
• She transferred from West Point to UMass amid growing personal struggles, including reported eating disorders and pressure-coping mechanisms, possibly compounded by post-9/11 changes at the academy (11:00, Kayla & Morgan).

3. Leading to Disappearance: Maura’s Troubles

• A pattern of stress and risky behaviors emerged: a minor shoplifting incident at West Point, using a stolen credit card to order pizza, and a speeding ticket that led to her license suspension in New Hampshire (14:39, Morgan Absher).
• Her black Saturn sedan was in disrepair, with her dad warning her not to drive it and suggesting she use a rag to hide smoke from the exhaust (20:57, Kayla Moore).

4. Events Before the Vanishing

The Breakdown:

• Thursday, Feb 5, 2004: Emotional phone conversations at work, culminating in a "mysterious meltdown" after speaking with her sister about a painful relapse (22:21–24:43).
• Saturday, Feb 7, 2004: Car shopping with her dad, then a small dorm party.
• Sunday, Feb 8: Maura crashes her dad's car late at night, uncertain timeline between leaving the party and the accident. She was "distraught," according to her father (27:10, Morgan).

Notable Quote:

"Mara was distraught after giving him the news. She was mumbling, 'this is the worst,' and making whimpering sounds. Fred reassured her... but his words weren't really getting through." (27:10, Morgan)

5. Maura’s Final Known Movements (Feb 9, 2004)

• Searches MapQuest for Vermont and New Hampshire vacation destinations in early morning hours.
• Withdraws $280 from ATM, purchases $40 in alcohol (Black Russian ingredients).
• Lies about a "death in the family" to get excused from classes.
• Drives toward the White Mountains, with her phone checking voicemails at 4:37 pm and an unanswered call from the Londonderry, NH area at 5 pm.
• By 7:27pm, local resident Faith Westman sees a black Saturn crashed—no sign of Maura after the bus driver’s brief, odd interaction. "It appears as though... Mara Murray, has vanished without a trace." (05:01, Kayla)

6. Clues and Theories

Witness Testimonies and Law Enforcement Response

• Witness A reports seeing a police SUV at the scene before the official time any officer was dispatched, fueling theories of either a timeline mix-up or an unreported officer presence (38:07, Kayla Moore).
• Local police initially consider Maura a "DUI walkaway"—someone fleeing an accident scene to avoid legal trouble.

Crime Scene Details

• Boxed wine found spilled, but the hard liquor she bought was missing along with her purse, phone, and backpack.
• A "rag in the tailpipe"—initially seen as a suicide attempt—was likely her father's advice to conceal car trouble. The hosts discuss possible effects of carbon monoxide and how it may have impaired her (46:05–49:45).

The Scent Trail & Dorm Room

• Delayed, limited search means only a weak scent trail to a nearby intersection is found. The gloves used for tracking may not have carried Maura's scent well (55:10, Morgan).
• Dorm room was packed, but possibly not due to intent to disappear—she may not have unpacked yet (57:25, Kayla).

7. Law Enforcement Frustrations and Family Advocacy

• The Murrays are critical of the police’s delayed response and lack of coordination with resources like New Hampshire’s Fish & Game, which only joined after 24+ hours (54:44, Morgan).
• Efforts to obtain case files via FOIA were denied, with courts siding with law enforcement on withholding investigatory documents (60:22–61:06).
• The family has remained deeply involved: Julie has a podcast and advocates for both empathetic discussion and continued search efforts.

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Notable Quotes & Standout Moments

• On Maura’s Character:

  "She was one of a kind. She would literally jump from a treetop into the Saco River one day ... the next day be the most radiant woman at any formal event."
  — Bill Rauch (66:56)

• On Web Sleuths and Public Attention:

  "There were these things called Maura Murray celebrities... notable names in the true crime community for their search efforts and their digging." (58:04, Kayla Moore)

• On Police Theory:

  “The police really believe she walked away and took her own life. They point to this book that she had in her car... on one of the pages..., there was one sentence that you could interpret... as a depressed person talking about ending their life. But it was like, such a stretch.”
  — Kayla Moore (68:02)

• On Family’s Determination:

  “Fred and Julie are the last members of the immediate family left, but they’re determined to find Maura, while Fred, who is now in his 80s, is still here to witness the moment this mystery is finally solved.” (75:11, Kayla Moore)

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New Developments & Theories

1. Surprise Fingerprint Match

• 2020: A former West Point classmate, Stefan Baldwin, now a convicted criminal, had fingerprints matching those found on a CD in Maura’s car. No known relationship, and unclear how significant the clue is (62:42, Morgan & Kayla).

2. Investigations into Bill Rauch

• Allegations of violence and abuse against Maura’s boyfriend, Bill, reported by other women years after Maura’s disappearance. Nonetheless, Bill had an alibi (was in Oklahoma) and the family does not support the focus on him as a suspect by some writers and sleuths (65:43–66:56, Morgan).

3. All Theories on the Table

• Police: Most likely scenario is Maura leaving to avoid trouble, walking off, and possibly dying of exposure or suicide.
• Web Sleuths: The murder/abduction theory (possibly by a passing stranger or an unaccounted police vehicle) remains alive, especially given the lack of physical evidence—no footprints, belongings missing.
• Family: Maintain hope for answers, advocate for cautious, empathy-centered discussion, and ongoing public support.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Intro & Case Background: 03:25–05:01
• Maura’s West Point Years: 07:38–13:48
• Shoplifting & Pizza Incident: 14:39–17:28
• Car Problems & Dad’s Advice: 20:57–21:17
• Emotional Breakdown at Work: 22:21–24:43
• Crash in Dad’s Car: 27:10–31:20
• Final Day Search History: 31:20–32:06
• ATM & Liquor Purchases: 32:02–35:13
• Details from the Crash Scene: 36:19–37:53
• Police Response & Timeline Confusion: 38:07–41:18
• Rag in the Tailpipe Discussion: 46:05–49:45
• Frustrations with Police & FOIA: 54:44–61:06
• Surprise Fingerprint & Other Suspects: 62:42–66:07
• Exploring Major Theories: 68:01–70:48
• Family Advocacy & How to Help: 72:39–75:11

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Family Advocacy & How to Help

• The Murray family, primarily Julie, continues to urge the public to engage with empathy and caution to avoid harmful speculation (72:39).
• To support, visit maramurraymissing.org for ways to get involved, including supporting a campaign for a permanent marker at the crash site.
• Anyone with information can contact the New Hampshire State Police Cold Case Unit at [e-mail] or 603-271-2663.

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Conclusion & Call To Action

Hosts Morgan and Kayla encourage the Crime House community to continue discussing Maura's case with empathy, critical thinking, and respect. They emphasize the importance of keeping unsolved cases in the public eye and supporting families still searching for answers, urging listeners to share missing person posters and contribute real insights, avoiding baseless speculation.

Final Thoughts:

"It's so important to address these cases that still go unsolved... to raise awareness." (77:41, Morgan)

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Transcript

[Morgan Absher]

Hi Crime House community. It's Morgan Absher and if you love digging into the most gripping true crime stories, then you need to listen to another Crime House original Crimes of with Sabrina Deanna Roga and Corinne Vien. Crimes of is a weekly series that explores a new theme each season from Crimes of Paranormal, unsolved murders, mysterious disappearances, and more.

[Kayla Moore]

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[Morgan Absher]

This is Crime House.

[Kayla Moore]

Today we are going to talk about one of the first missing persons cases to go viral on social media back in 2004. More than 20 years later, there are more questions than answers about what happened to 21 year old Mara Murray when she vanished from a road a New Hampshire in the middle of winter.

[Morgan Absher]

New theories and clues about Mara's baffling disappearance are still emerging and there's even been a recent development that could point to a brand new suspect who wasn't on the original investigators radar. Hi guys and welcome back to Clues where we sneak past the crime scene tape to explore some of the key evidence behind the most gripping true crime cases.

[Kayla Moore]

I'm Kayla Moore and I'm going to be digging deeper into the timelines, the backstories and the court files on these cases.

[Morgan Absher]

And I'm your Internet sleuth, Morgan Absher. I'm diving into Reddit forums and anything else I can find online to look at the threads that just don't add.

[Kayla Moore]

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[Morgan Absher]

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[Morgan Absher]

First case to go viral on social media, which at the time of Mara's disappearance, I think Facebook was like four, five days old. Days old, days old.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah, it was a brand new social media tool. It was really like the first social media tool. And it wasn't until a little bit later that our case started going viral on Facebook because that's just not what people were using Facebook for at first.

[Morgan Absher]

No, it was like dating and seeing who the cool kids in your college were. Yeah, I got Facebook when I was in middle school. That was probably a little young and I still miss the, the MySpace page of being able to pick my song. But it is crazy to think in the context, like there was no Instagram, there was no Twitter, there was none of these other things. And you're from the east coast. Did you hear anything about this case?

[Kayla Moore]

No, not really. When it was happening. I'm trying to remember, like this case is very steeped in New England. I even my mom works at Bradley International Airport and like the family was talking about flying in and out of that airport and I'm like, oh my God. My mom was probably there as the family was going to the crime scene to try to look for their daughter. So. But I don't remember anything specific about it at the time when it was happening. It's really just picked up steam, I think in the last couple of years.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah, family is really being great advocates and trying to get this case out there and known. And so it's because of that that we're talking about it today.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah. And I definitely wanna shout out Julie Murray, who is Maura's sister, who really is leading the charge at keeping her name in the papers, doing the podcast that she did about the case and just really trying to get word out there because she still thinks that this case can be solved.

[Morgan Absher]

So let's see if we can.

[Kayla Moore]

And with that, let's get into it. Also, just a quick reminder, if you're watching this on YouTube, you're gonna see some images, videos that'll help you kind of visualize the case. And if you are listening, you can find those same assets on our social media that's Clues podcast on Instagram. All right, our story starts at 7:30pm on February 9, 2004. A school bus driver in Haverhill, New Hampshire spots a black Saturn facing west in the eastbound lane of Route 112. It looks like the Saturn must have either hit a tree or a snowbank. The airbags are deployed, the headlights are off. But the bus driver sees a young woman behind the wheel and pulls over to help. He says he's done for the day so he can give her a ride to his house just about 100 yards away. There, she can use his phone to get help. But the woman declines this offer. She says that she's already called aaa, but the bus driver isn't so sure that she's necessarily telling the truth. He knows that there's not really cell phone service in the area, but he doesn't really want to pry. She seems to maybe have it figured out. So he leaves. But he can't stop thinking about the woman or the interaction they had. When he gets home, it's around 7:42pm and he decides he's just going to call 91 1. He describes the driver as, quote, shaken up, no blood that I can see, and he says that she, quote, hit a pine tree. At 7:46pm the first officer arrives at the scene. The car is there, but the driver is gone and there is no trace of her anywhere. And I'm talking about not even footprints in the snow. None of the people in the nearby houses saw her leave the scene and and nobody noticed a vehicle that could have picked her up either. It appears as though the woman who they're going to later learn is 21 year old Mara Murray, has vanished without a trace. In order to understand this disappearance a little bit more, let's rewind a little bit and get to know Mara more as a person. She was born in Brockton, Massachusetts on May 4, 1982. She's the fourth of five children born to her parents, Fred and Lori. Lori worked as a nurse and Fred was a medical technician. But the couple divorced in 1988 when Maura was just 6. Though they seemed to have co parented very well, Fred was in charge of getting the kids from their many, many after school sports. Athleticism really ran in this family. Both Mara and her sister Julie, who was two years older, who we talked about earlier, they competed successfully in cross country and track during high school. Mara made it all the way to the cross country nationals as a sophomore, finishing in 33rd in the country, which is so impressive. Country, the. The whole country.

[Morgan Absher]

That's insane.

[Kayla Moore]

She also played on the varsity basketball team as well. But none of that made her academics fall by the wayside. She scored in the 95th percentile of her SATs, meaning that she could basically attend almost any university she wanted, especially if she got a scholarship to run cross country while she was there, which Mara was going to need to help fund her education. The Ivy Leagues all threw their doors open for her. Even Harvard was recruiting Mara. But it seems like she had other plans for herself. She had her heart set on joining her older sister Julie at West Point, the United States Military Academy in West Point, New York. So 18 year old Mara started there in the fall of 2000, which Julie talks about this too. When both of them started at West Point, the military academy, it was pre 911 and then 911 happened while they were there. So they went from kids being like, I'm just going to go to this military academy. It's really interesting. I'm going to, you know, like learn military stuff too. Oh my God. We are training for an active war that's unfolding. It's like a very intense time to be at the school. Yeah. And while she's there, she's also majoring in chemical engineering, which is again like a stressful major to have. Julie absolutely loved West Point. She loved being in the military in general. Everything she told Mara about her experience was very positive. And plus tuition was free if you got accepted as a cadet as long as you agreed to serve in the US Military. After graduation, after hearing all of the glowing reviews, Maura was all in. But once she arrived on campus though, she started having some doubts about West Point as a school. All of the new cadets at West Point began their journey with this thing called Beast Barracks. It's a physically and mentally exhausting six week program. It's kind of like a boot camp. Yeah.

[Morgan Absher]

Basic training almost.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah, yeah. It involves camping in the field, there's weapons training, marching, running, and also a lot of being yelled at, basically from sunup to sundown. This tends to eliminate some of the thinner skinned cadets really quickly. Mara ended up surviving Beast Barracks, though, although the regular West Point schedule was also very grueling. Your days would start at 6 in the morning. They would end sometimes as late as three in the morning. Every cadet's room was subject to inspection every morning, meaning your room had to always be perfectly clean with the door open, beds made. I know that, like, we have listeners who probably have served in the military and they're like, yeah, this is just what we do. And I'm listening to this schedule being like, this would break me in like five minutes.

[Morgan Absher]

I wouldn't make it out of beast barracks. Like, I would be done three hours of sleep.

[Kayla Moore]

I would be so toast.

[Morgan Absher]

Having to have my room clean. I'd crash out.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah, exactly.

[Morgan Absher]

No, they'd, they'd get rid of me. I'd be flunked.

[Kayla Moore]

Is not for the faint of heart. There's definitely people who can keep up with this type of schedule. But there's also, at this school, it seemed like there was hazing coming from upperclassmen. Julie was not as bothered by this, But Mara was really struggling with this. At one point during her schooling there, Julie talks about Mara developing an eating disorder. It's something, you know, doctors today talk about it being associated with perfectionism. Julie, when she talks about West Point, says that a bunch of the kids at West Point actually struggled with eating disorders while she was there. You know, while all of the control is being taken out of your life, it was like a control thing that some of the students felt like they could hold on to.

[Morgan Absher]

So interesting.

[Kayla Moore]

And there's also this constant pressure to be perfect there. And so she said it was just kind of like ripe for it. The strain of this stressful life was also kind of showing itself in other areas too. In August of 2001, Mara stole a lip gloss from the post exchange. It's kind of like a convenience store that was on campus. And that happened at Fort Knox. While she was training there, she pretty quickly got caught by an employee. She immediately admitted to doing it, but she couldn't necessarily explain why she had done it. And under West Point's cadet honor code, Mara had to go through an honor hearing for this shoplifting. Though it's been reported that Mara faced possible expulsion from West Point for the offense, her sister Julie said that that wasn't true. Ultimately, Mara did get to stay. And then it was really a month after that that like 9, 11 happened. So she already had all of this stress on her life in general. And then like I was saying, the academy became so much more real because you were now graduating into an active war. And that was really starting to weigh on Mara, it seems. And on January 2nd of 2002, Mara withdraws from the academy. She transferred to the University of Massachusetts, a three hours drive away in Amherst, where she received a full Scholarship to run track. Now, when Maura transferred, she took a couple of things with her from West Point. Her academic credits transferred over things like her habit of cleaning her room to military standards. Also, it seems like she took her eating disorder with her. And also her boyfriend she was dating, this guy named Bill Rauch, who was a West point cadet in Julie's class. So he was two years ahead of Mara. They met through Julie shortly after Mara started at West Point in 2000, and by the fall of 2001, the two were a couple. And after Bill's graduation in the spring of 2002, he was stationed at fort sill in Oklahoma. That was, like, 1,700 miles away. And partly because of her relationship with Bill, Mara decided to study nursing, just like her mom had done. She knew that nurses could find work almost anywhere in the world. So in theory, if Mara and Bill stayed together, she would be able to follow him to wherever he was stationed. And by the time Mara transferred to UMass, they had been together for about six months. So it was still early on in their relationship, and the future was pretty uncertain. They ended up breaking up, and they got back together at some point. And eventually, Mara started looking into nursing careers near Bill's duty station in Oklahoma. And meanwhile, at UMass, she was making the dean's list every semester. She was competing in track meets. She worked two jobs on campus as a security receptionist and as an art gallery employee. Over time, though, the stress really started getting Tamara, it seemed, and we know that because other people started noticing that in her.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah, and I mean, think about it. Two jobs, track star, dean's list. How are you not cracking under that pressure?

[Kayla Moore]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. It like, there's just a lot of stress on her at school and at home, which we're gonna get into. But there were, like, quirky things she would do. One person remembered that she refused to use the shared bathroom in her dorm. She would instead go upstairs to a private restroom in the smoker's loun. She also was seen bringing a water bottle in with her and then spending a long time inside the bathroom. And she would flush the toilet repeatedly before emerging. Her friends wondered if this was part of her eating disorder that, you know, she had suffered from at west point, just moving over to UMass. And then in the fall of 2003, Mara started taking impulsive risks, just like she did back at west point when she was accused of shoplifting.

[Morgan Absher]

Which brings us to our first clue. Mara's legal issues, Ones that stemmed from just a strange pattern of behavior leading up to her disappearance. It kind of started with a speeding ticket. On July 27, 2003, before starting her senior year, Mara was pulled over in New Hampshire going 99 in a 65 mile per hour zone. She was driving her dad's car, and it seemed to be during a summer trip to bartlett, New Hampshire, in the white mountains. And her boyfriend Bill and her dad, Fred, were actually in the car with her. This ticket, I think probably because of how much over she was going, actually ended up causing her license to get suspended in New Hampshire. And so while this suspension was only for 30 days, it also meant that she had to go back to New Hampshire to then get her license reinstated there after that period had passed. And it was annoying, but it wasn't the end of the world. So Mara bounced back pretty quickly. She tackled her first clinical rotations like a total pro. That fall semester, she appeared to be doing well and in a a good mental space. And on October 13, 2003, she actually sent her mom a super sweet birthday postcard full of her appreciation for all of her mom's work as a nurse. And we actually have a quote from that card. Quote. I can finally appreciate what you mean by being on your feet all day. I finally get it. I see how nurses interact with patients, and I can totally picture you doing a much better job in making a patient's day, Getting them laughing or dancing, whatever. It means more to me now after I've tried it myself. End quote. But then, just a week later, on October 20, Mara seemingly took another really bizarre. She got caught using another student's credit card number over the phone to order a large amount of pizza for delivery. And so the owner of the credit card, when she saw these charges, was told that she had to file a police report or else. Like she was going to be responsible for all of this pizza, Regardless of if it was her or not. And so she filed charges. She had no idea that the thief was her fellow student, Mara. But police eventually tracked the culprit down and discovered it was Mara. And as soon as she was caught again, she just confessed right away. Same as with the lip gloss. She agreed to pay for the pizzas, which came out to be $79.02. And the charges were set to be dismissed in February 2004. As long as Mara stayed out of trouble. One of this week's partners is masterclass Morgan.

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[Kayla Moore]

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[Morgan Absher]

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[Morgan Absher]

I can envision it. I can feel it myself because I've had a car do this and it just like misfires. Like, the engine just, like, feels off and like you'll hit the gas, but it doesn't go right away at Papa Putts and you feel the engine kind of jolting.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah, they were talking about, like, smoke coming out of the back too, like through the exhaust pipe. It just was not in good shape anymore.

[Morgan Absher]

That sounds similar to the car I drove in high school.

[Kayla Moore]

Fred was a really good dad. He said he was going to come up to Massachusetts soon and he was going to help his daughter shop for a used car that was in better shape and drivable. He said he wanted to come the first weekend of February. But before he could get there, Mara had a very strange night at work.

[Morgan Absher]

Which brings us to our second clue. Mara's mysterious meltdown. On Thursday, February 5, four days before she disappeared, Mara was working at her security receptionist job at Melville hall, which was on campus at UMass class. Her shift began around 7pm and was supposed to last until 1:45am but this job had a lot of down time. She basically just signed students in and out and would report anything suspicious that she noticed. And so she had a lot of time to do her homework or, you know, make phone calls to her boyfriend or family members. So during this time, at around 7:17pm she actually talked to her boyfriend Bill for about 20 minutes. After that, she made three more calls to Bill between 7:17 and 9:56pm the longest one was only about six minutes. And at 10:10pm she called her oldest sister, Kathleen, and they spoke for about 28 minutes. During this call, Mara and Kathleen spoke about Kathleen's recent relapse after leaving rehab.

[Kayla Moore]

For alcoholism did you read about how this relapse happened?

[Morgan Absher]

No.

[Kayla Moore]

Julie talks about this in an interview. I saw. Kathleen was apparently in a rehab facility, and when she left, her fiance or her boyfriend at the time picked her up and drove her straight to a liquor store. What? Immediately. And Julie and the family think it was because he was a really bad guy and it was a control thing. Like he could only control her if she was drinking.

[Morgan Absher]

Oh, my God.

[Kayla Moore]

But the second she left rehab, she relapsed. And so I can only imagine getting that phone call, because that is so stressful to hear.

[Morgan Absher]

I mean, that's absolutely horrible. Like, absolutely horrible. And I'm sure getting that call from her sister, maybe hearing more details about this, like, that could have been very upsetting. And so after this call with Kathleen, Mara ends up calling Bill again from work at about 12:07am and they chat for seven more minutes. But then around 1:00am Mara suddenly bursts into tears. And, you know, people at work don't know that she's been having these conversations. So another student who's concerned goes to Mara's boss, Karen, and is like, hey, something's not right. Karen goes over and checks on Mara and starts asking like, hey, is everything okay? And all Mara says to her is, quote, my sister. When asked if there's a family emergency, she responds, quote, no, nothing to do with me. It's my sister's problem, not mine. So clearly something's going on. There was some distressing thing on there. Maybe, you know, she talked to her sister Kathleen, and then called Bill after for some support. Bill didn't really remember anything about the content of these calls after the fact. Like, nothing really stood out to him. And he said it was typical for them to talk on the phone several times a day. Like these short phone calls weren't anything unusual for them in their relationship.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah, I know there's been some stuff that's come up where, like, I know people that have looked into this case are a little confused because Mara heard about her sister, then talked to Bill and then got upset afterwards. So some people wonder if, like, maybe the content of her conversation, conversation with Bill was the reason she was really upset, but she was clearly saying, like, my sister. It just seems like that was the thing she was upset about. I don't think there was anything on the call with Bill that made her upset.

[Morgan Absher]

And Reddit does kind of go down rabbit holes on that where they're like, something bigger happened on that call.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan Absher]

Why doesn't he remember anything? And it's like, I don't know. I've had a bad day, and I get home three hours later, and something triggers me, and I'm crying for the next 30 minutes. Like, yeah, our emotions are. It's challenging. So who's really to say.

[Kayla Moore]

One of the people who actually thinks that there was maybe something else to the call is her sister, Julie. I think Julie mentioned thinking that there was a call that occurred that we don't know about that either happened on a dorm phone where there's no record of it. But maybe it was something that happened after learning about her sister Kathleen that triggered Mara to have this mental breakdown and that we just don't know exactly what that was.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah, I mean, there's that, and then there's also other rumors about Mara seeing another guy or maybe wanting to break up with Bill. Julie thinks that her sister would have been smart enough that, like, she would have used a landline for any calls that she didn't want either Bill or her family to find out about. So, you know, you can know someone through and through so well, but there's maybe there's always gonna be things that you don't know 100%.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan Absher]

So if that is the case, she covered her tracks well enough that police couldn't find any other details either.

[Kayla Moore]

So two days after that shift on Saturday, February 7th, Fred arrives to take his daughter car shopping. And after hours of searching, Mara takes her dad back to his motel in Hadley, Massachusetts, where they hang out for a little while before they go to dinner at the Amherst Brewing Company around 9pm with Mara's friend Kate. Fred then drove Mara and Kate to the liquor store to purchase alcohol for a dorm party later that night. And to be clear, they actually were both of legal age, so they didn't need Fred to buy the alcohol. They just needed a ride. And then after that, Fred goes back to his motel and he lets Mar drive his Toyota Corolla to the party, since her car's not working. The party wasn't exactly a rager. There's, like, some debate about this. I know there's maybe eight to 10 people packed into a dorm room. Some people, after the fact, called it a rager, but it seemed like it was just small. But the, like, space was also small, so it felt like it was bigger than it was a rager's mindset. Yeah, that's so true. That's so true. According to some of the people that were there, Mara left sometime between 1:30am and 2:30am she was possibly in the company of one or more of the Guys who were also at the party. But there are witness statements that conflict. And then, on her way back to her dad's hotel to drop off his car, her night takes a turn for the worse.

[Morgan Absher]

Which brings us to our third clue, the car accident. At 3:33am on Sunday, February 8, a little less than 48 hours before Mara was last seen, someone called the police department to report a car accident at the corner of North Maple street and North Hadley Road in Amherst, Massachusetts. Mara was behind the wheel of her dad's practically brand new Toyota Corolla. She had driven through a Guardrail doing about $10,000 worth of damage to the car. And Mara had left her cell phone at the dorm party, so she wasn't able to call for help when this accident happened. The officer who responded to the call decided not to cite Mara for the crash and also didn't give her a sobriety test or breathalyzer. So we'll never know if she was intoxicated or not at the time of the accident. But another big uncertain question is how much time passed between Mara leaving the party and her accident. It was only about a 10 minute drive from the dorm party to her dad Fred's motel. So if she really left the party at 2:30 like the other partygoers said and crashed the car just before 3:30, people kind of wonder what she was doing in between. Like, where did that missing hour go? One popular theory on Reddit is that she left the party with a guy and maybe went somewhere to hook up and then dropped him off before returning the car to her dad. Julie says her family doesn't know much about this night, so she doesn't want to rule any theories in or out, including this, you know, maybe hookup. One. But one thing is for sure, when the tow truck came, Mara hitched a ride with it back to Fred's motel. She managed to get in her dad's hotel room, called Bill from his phone at 5:36am and then fell asleep until 10:30am Sunday morning, at which point she woke up and told her dad Fred about the accident. According to Fred, Mara was distraught after giving him the news. She was mumbling, quote, this is the worst, and making whimpering sounds. Fred reassured her that the car would get fixed, everything was going to be okay. But his words weren't really getting through to her at the time. Fred figured that they would talk about it later, after Mara had a chance to calm down. But that opportunity never came because less than 48 hours later, Mara disappeared. On Sunday afternoon, February 8, around 1:30pm, Fred dropped Mara off at her dorm room in a rental car. Mara may have worked a short shift in her art gallery job Sunday afternoon, although her boss couldn't really remember. But at around 8pm she finally got her cell phone back from the friend that threw the party the night before. And that's where we get clue number four, Mara's phone and Internet history. Fred called her at around 8:30 or 9pm that night, but Mara missed the call and ended up returning it at around 11.26pm Fred wanted to make sure that Mara had picked up the accident report. He needed it for some insurance forms and she promised to do it the next day for him. She stayed up late that night, which was pretty normal for her. But shortly after midnight, she did something interesting. She searched MapQuest for directions to Burlington, Vermont and the Berkshires, which is a mountain range in western Massachusetts. Both are very popular vacation destinations. About three hours away from where she was going to school in Amherst. After sending some emails related to her Coursework, at around 3:32am she searched MapQuest again for directions to Burlington and also to Bartlett, New Hampshire, which is about a four hours drive away. And then she searched for hotels in Burlington. After that, she looked for information on something even like more shocking to investigators, there was a search for the effects of alcohol on a fetus. However, there is no evidence to suggest that Mara was pregnant at this time.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah, Julie talks about this too, where this is something that Facebook and the Internet really ran with at the time because there were a couple things that she had looked up regarding unborn babies and fetuses and health of mothers during pregnancy. But she also was a nurse and she literally had a test coming up that was like all about the effects of things on babies.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah, it was like she had a clinical rotation in a maternity ward.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. So Julie just thinks it had to do with the fact that that was what she was studying.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah, which could be very likely. It is also 3:32am but she was on the dean's list like you. I mean, you can't rule anything out really.

[Kayla Moore]

I did my best studying at 3 in the morning, so I get that.

[Morgan Absher]

I was a procrastinator. I was crash studying all night before exams and things. And at around 4am, Mara's computer and cell phone activity take a break. So investigators assume she probably just went to sleep. By early afternoon, she was awake again and still had travel on her mind. At 12:55pm she called a couple who owned a condo in Bartlett, New Hampshire where Mara had stayed on a previous vacation. At 1pm she emailed Bill, telling him she'd gotten his voicemails but wasn't in the mood to talk and promised to call later. She even signed off with love you and called Bill a stud in the email so things were seemingly good. And then at around 1:24pm she sent emails to several teachers and her boss at the art gallery saying that she would be away for a week due to a death in the family. And to be clear, that was a lie. Julie thinks Mara just wanted to take a break and was using that as an excuse. But it seems like Mara still didn't know where she was headed for that break. At 2:05pm she called the tourism hotline in Stowe, Vermont. The system was out of order, so she couldn't talk to anyone or make a reservation. But she apparently did decide on a plan to go somewhere within the next hour because the next sighting we have of her is her seemingly making some big moves. Which brings us to our fifth clue, the ATM photos. At 3:15pm, Mara withdrew $280 from an ATM in Hadley, Massachusetts, which is about five miles from campus. This was most of the money in her account. And several of these ATM surveillance photos from this stop have been released and we're going to show them for you guys. It shows Mara wearing jeans, a light colored jacket with a dark hood and a dark shirt. She's alone and seemingly has this somber expression. She spends less than a minute at the ATM leaving the lobby at 3:16pm unfortunately, the stills are black and white and pretty low quality, so it doesn't show many details of the parking lot, but we can be pretty sure that Mara drove her Saturn there. However, we don't know if anyone else was in the vehicle with her. What we do know was that she spent some of that cash a half hour later. Which brings us to clue number six, a liquor store receipt. At 3:33pm, Mara checked out at a liquor store called Liquors 44 in Hadley. Her receipt shows that she bought about $40 worth of alcohol. Kahlua vodka, Bailey's Smirnoff ice. Those were the ingredients Mara liked to use in her favorite drink, a Black Russian. Some reports say that Mara also bought a box of Franzia wine at this stop because boxed wine was later found in her car. And all of this kind of together looks like a lot of alcohol for just one person to investigators.

[Kayla Moore]

At some point in the afternoon, we think around 4pm, Mara picked up those accident forms from the Hadley, Massachusetts police department. And then she hit the road, headed in what seemed to be the direction of her favorite place of vacation, which was the White Mountains in New Hampshire. Her New Hampshire driver's license still needed to be reinstated, and Mara had the forms that she needed with her in the car. She had to file the forms in person in New Hampshire and pay a fee, which could have been one of the reasons that she withdrew that $280 from her account. And then after that, around 4 to 37pm, Mara dialed her voicemail so that she could check her messages. At 5pm, someone called Mara's cell phone from within a 22 mile radius of Londonderry, New Hampshire. Unfortunately, because she didn't answer this phone call, the number never appeared on her cell phone bill. So we don't know exactly who placed this call. And after that, there's this blank spot in her timeline for about two and a half hours. The next time anyone is known to have spoken to Mara is when the bus driver saw her accident in Haverhill, New Hampshire, 132 miles from her campus.

[Morgan Absher]

Which leads us to clue number seven, witness statements. Let's start with Faith Westman, who lived really close to the crash site and actually saw Mara before the bus driver did, but didn't interact with her. At 7:27pm she called 911 to report a car had, quote, gone off the road outside of her home on Route 112. In a later interview, she said she initially heard a thud around 7pm and saw a vehicle outside that looked like it had been traveling eastbound, struck a tree, and ended up on the road facing the opposite direction of traffic. She and her husband watched the vehicle for a while, saw the interior lights flicker on and off. And then at 7:27, Faith decided to call 91 1. By 7:29pm an officer named Smith was dispatched to the accident and was at least 15 minutes away. While she was still on the phone with dispatch around 7:30pm Faith saw a school bus arrive at the scene. She recognized this bus as one driven by her neighbors, the Atwoods. And the driver that night was Butch Atwood. He's the one that we talked about in the very beginning who called 911 for Mara. After they spoke again, Mara told Butch that she had called aaa, but her cell phone records didn't reflect that. Although attempted calls that didn't go through wouldn't show up on a phone bill. And as mentioned, you know, Butch said there wasn't great service out there. So maybe she did try to call, but it didn't Register, which is still.

[Kayla Moore]

Interesting though, because you would think, like, if she told him, oh, I called aaa, but it didn't connect. You didn't get someone on the phone saying they would come help you, so you didn't really call aaa. Like you tried to call aaa, but you like, there's not anyone coming to help you.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah. And I like, I try to put myself in that situation and like, I probably wouldn't get in a bus with a strange man's.

[Kayla Moore]

Strange man's bus. Yeah.

[Morgan Absher]

Go to their house to use their phone. But, you know, I fear stressed and not thinking. It's just like it's so hard to put yourself in someone's shoes ever. So regardless, like, there's just, there's no record of AAA being called. And at this time, the Westmans continued to watch Mara and saw what they described as, quote, a flurry of activity at the rear of the car. Then they noticed a red light near Mara's face, which they kind of assumed it was maybe from her smoking a cigarette. But Mara wasn't a smoker. So the Westmans eventually came to the conclusion that the light must have come from her cell phone shining near her face. I'm gonna be honest, you guys, I'm kind of confused why Faith didn't go outside and just be like, hey girl, you need a blanket. But after this, something really weird happens, which is clue number eight, which comes from another witness. Her name is out there online, but law enforcement hasn't confirmed it. So we're gonna call her what the official sources call her, which is witness a. At about 7:35pm After Butch left, Witness A saw a police SUV parked nose to nose with Mara's vehicle. However, official police records show the first officer on the scene was Officer Smith, who arrived at 7:46pm which is actually 11 minutes later. Now, a few things could be true here. Either witness A got their timeline wrong, though other details suggest that's not very likely. Or there could be another officer who arrived at the scene earlier and didn't radio dispatch about their arrival on scene, you know, arriving to the accident. If so, it would be a little suspicious considering 7:35 is about the time Mara disappeared. The other more mundane possibility is that Officer Smith arrived earlier than what was reflected on those official records. Which would mean witness A actually just saw Officer Smith. Except that theory doesn't explain how Officer smith made a 15 minute drive in bad weather only in six to 10 minutes. But it seems here we're getting all of these eyewitnesses reports, they're all kind of contradicting each other a little bit and it's super unclear what's really going on.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah, it's just hard to keep track of the timeline. But I guess the theory becomes that maybe another police car got there earlier and was nose to nose with Mara's car at the time she disappeared.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah.

[Kayla Moore]

And then by the time Officer Smith got there, she was gone.

[Morgan Absher]

Which that's happened to me. I've gotten in a fender bender before and called and an officer was driving by and just pulled over to assist. Like that does happen. That's not super unusual. If someone's just on their way and overhears radio chatter and it's like, eh, I'm there, I'm gonna pop in. But timeline wise, Mara disappeared around this time. So it's just.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan Absher]

What's going on here?

[Kayla Moore]

Was there someone at the scene when she disappeared? Well, we know for sure that Officer Smith was at the scene by 7:46pm and by the time he gets there, Mara's gone. Disappeared without a trace. And because they don't have a search warrant for the vehicle, they have to just go off of what they can see from the outside. So Officer Smith goes up to the car, he starts looking around and that's when he notices the box of Franzia wine on the seat as well as red liquid, which is presumably wine, not blood, on the ceiling. And the driver's side door of the car car, the windshield is cracked. Both of the airbags are deployed in the front seats and there's damage to the front driver's side of the vehicle. The hood has buckled upward from this. At 7:54pm Officer Smith issued a BOLO or a be on the lookout for a 5 foot 7 woman on foot. Probably based on the bus driver's description of Mara. He also called for EMS and fire units to help out at the scene of the accident just in case Mara was nearby. But when EMS showed up, they noticed something pretty strange.

[Morgan Absher]

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[Morgan Absher]

Is our ninth clue. A rag in the tailpipe. For a while, people thought maybe this was a sign Mara was trying to die by suicide by redirecting exhaust into the cabin of the car. But that was before other info started coming to light. Turns out Fred had actually advised Mara that if she absolutely had to drive her broken car, the Saturn, and if she was worried about getting a ticket for the smoke coming out of it, that she could try stuffing a rag.

[Kayla Moore]

In the tailpipe, which I mentioned earlier in this episode. I don't know a ton about cars and how they work, but I'm curious if anyone watching this because my question with this would be, is there a chance that carbon monoxide was filling up the car as she was driving? If she had something stuffed in the.

[Morgan Absher]

Tailpipe, I would love some car enthusiasts, mechanics, someone to chime in. I mean, my limited knowledge of cars, like, you don't shove stuff up the tailpipe regardless. Like, I know a rag isn't super dense and it's somewhat permeable by the exhaust still. But like, I mean, it could cause the car to backfire, put more strain on the engine, I would think. I don't know. It doesn't seem like sound advice regardless. And right again, I'm telling you guys, like, this sounds like my car I drove in high school. Like, my car had a busted O ring in the engine, so it would leak oil and smoke and people would roll down their windows at stoplights and be like, your car's on fire. I didn't know you could get a ticket for your car. Smoking a little.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan Absher]

So I mean, how bad was this smoke then? If they're worried about a ticket?

[Kayla Moore]

Like, I mean, it must have been bad. Yeah, yeah. Cause her dad was worried about her getting pulled over by police. I'm pretty sure he told her, you will get pulled over by the cops if you drive this car. So. But if you have to drive it for some reason, put a rag in the tailpipe so that it's not smoking so much.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah. And so all that being said, it's like she clearly was desperate to drive somewhere. And, you know, there also could have been the worry about her suspended license in the back of her. Of her mind and afraid that smoke coming out of her tailpipe would somehow make the police more likely to ticket her and make it harder for her to get her license back. There's a lot going on here at the same time. You know, the accident from a couple nights before, she didn't get written up. So getting in a car again, it's confusing. This is. This is kind of a twisty. A twisty case we're in right now.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah. No, I'm curious what people say about it because just even a preliminary looking this up.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah.

[Kayla Moore]

Google search, it says, yes, Blocking a tailpipe can cause exhaust gases, including carbon monoxide, to build up. Depending on how blocked it is, it can cause the gas to leak back into the vehicle's cabin, which can lead to serious poisoning, even death. Even a partial blockage can damage the exhaust system or engine.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah. I mean, when you have to think about too, all of the symptoms of carbon monoxide poisoning, you can pass out, you can become dizzy, you can become disoriented. I mean, there's so many things I've.

[Kayla Moore]

Decision making goes away with your ability to make decisions.

[Morgan Absher]

I had a Reddit story on two hot takes where this guy thought his landlord. Landlord was breaking in to his apartment and leaving him sticky notes, but it was actually him during carbon monoxide poisoning.

[Kayla Moore]

Oh, my gosh.

[Morgan Absher]

It was insane. So I'm like, I'm thinking now, like, this is just coming to me as we're recording, you guys. It's snowy. She's maybe cold. She kept the car running. Exhaust is plugged with a rag. If it went back into the cabin, even if it was going into the cabin as she's driving and then crashes because of that. And then cars on maybe, like, it's just there's so many what ifs here that make this all look so bad.

[Kayla Moore]

No, it made me realize too, like when we cover ghost stories on Heart starts pounding, some people in the comments will be like, I wonder how many old timey ghost stories are just people suffering from carbon monoxide poisoning and hallucinating things happening in their home.

[Morgan Absher]

I literally got One of those detectors to take with me to hotels so I don't die in my sleep.

[Kayla Moore]

I think that's smart.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah.

[Kayla Moore]

That is very scary, people.

[Morgan Absher]

It happens.

[Kayla Moore]

So for the rest of that evening, police, ems, and fire units continue to show up at the scene to look for the driver, but they find no sign of her, and they find no evidence that points to where she could have gone. There's not any tire tracks. There's not any footprints around leading off into the woods or anything. They don't even really know who the driver is at that point. All they have is the bus driver's description of her. But police aren't necessarily considering this a missing person's case just yet. Julie says the Haverhill police thought that Mara was a, quote, DUI walk away at first, meaning someone who flees the scene of an accident to avoid getting a dui. I mean, especially they saw the franzia spilled all over the car. There was other alcohol in the car also, though. There's two feet of snow on the ground, and the road was plowed. But if Mara did go off into the woods, she would have left footprints. There would have been. I mean, two feet of snow. There would have been indentations in the snow.

[Morgan Absher]

Even with snowshoes, you leave.

[Kayla Moore]

So it would have, in theory, been easy to head off in the direction she went if that was the case.

[Morgan Absher]

That's what really gets me about this case, the lack of footprint.

[Kayla Moore]

She could have walked on the paved.

[Morgan Absher]

Road, but she was still somewhat in the ditch, it seems.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah, I know. It's a really tricky one.

[Morgan Absher]

What do you guys think about this? Is this, like, the part of this case that really just, like, yeah, baffles you?

[Kayla Moore]

All that the police really learned that night is that the car is registered to her dad, Fred. But when Officer Smith tries calling Fred, he can't get through. And as we mentioned, without a warrant or really being able to reach the registered owner, they can't search Maura's locked car for any other evidence just yet. And it's not until the next morning when a judge signs a search warrant that the cops start digging through it. And this is when they figure out that Mara is the driver, not Fred, based on items that were in the car. And so let's kind of walk through what they find in this vehicle. There's the boxed wine. There's also an empty beer can. There's a coke bottle with red liquid in it, which they assume is wine. There's Mara's AAA card, kind of indicating that maybe she did try to call aaa. There's the accident reporting forms that Mara picked up for her dad, the driver's license reinstatement forms. They also find makeup, they find jewelry, they find CDs, they find a book about the nearby White Mountains in New Hampshire and in Maine, which Mara vacationed to a lot over the years. They find printed driving directions to Burlington and Stouh, Vermont, Birth control pills and Tylenol pm. There's also a stuffed monkey that she loved, a suitcase full of clothing, and some black leather gloves. It's also interesting what is not inside of the vehicle. Mara's purse, backpack, and cell phone are not found inside of the Saturn. Plus, none of the hard alcohol that she had purchased was in there either. Just the beer can and the wine. So, I mean, we can assume that Mara took off carrying the Kahlua, Bailey's vodka, and Smirnoff ice. Did she leave the alcohol somewhere before the crash? We don't really know. Did she get nervous that she was gonna be arrested for a dui, so she. She took the alcohol and ran or what, you know, what have. We really don't know what happened, but we know that she made that purchase. Now, law enforcement is also pretty interested in answering these questions as well. But they're still having a really hard time reaching her family even 12 hours after her disappearance. So finally, in the late afternoon of February 10, 2004, the police get a hold of Mara's sister Kathleen, who gets a hold of Fred. We're not entirely sure why it takes so long for this to happen. The family really seems to blame the police for the lack of trying to get in touch with them, and they've been very transparent about that. Now the whole Murray family is slowly starting to get this terrible news. They beg the police to continue to look for Mara. Fred does mention that he is afraid she might have been suicidal. And early on in the police search, the Murrays felt like they, the police weren't really taking this disappearance that seriously. New Hampshire's fish and Game department is a highly respected search and rescue agency, and they have a really, really high success rate in finding people. But they weren't even looped in on Mara's disappearance until 8.30pm on Tuesday the 10th. That's more than 24 hours after Mara disappeared. And remember, it was cold that night. It like the first 24 hours of someone disappearing are so important and you're not even looping in all the people who need to be involved until after that.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah, especially the fact that there were no footprints. So maybe if they would have got out there, there would have been a scent trail at least, like.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah, which we'll get into the scent trail, too. But, you know, the formal search for Mara didn't begin until the following morning, which was more than 36 hours after she vanished.

[Morgan Absher]

Which brings us to clue number 11. The scent trail. I knew it was coming, guys.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan Absher]

On Wednesday, February 11, law enforcement officers finally do their first real search for Mara in the. Around the crash site, they bring in a helicopter and a bloodhound. The dog does pick up a scent from one of the gloves that was found in Mara's car, But unfortunately, the scent doesn't go very far, just to the next intersection of Bradley Hill Road. Julie, her sister, thinks that this is because Mara never even wore those gloves. So chances are her scent on them wasn't very strong. Or it could mean that the dog was on Mara scent, but her scent actually stopped at that intersection, perhaps because she got into another vehicle.

[Kayla Moore]

And unfortunately, this is, like, truly one of the most important things that we would need to know. And Julie is really sad that the police didn't give the dogs a stronger scent. Julie has gone on record saying, like, they would have given a shirt or just something of Mara's that she definitely wore and definitely carried her scent. Like the. The gloves were a recent gift from her boyfriend, I believe. So there wasn't a ton of evidence that she had really warned them about, even used them.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah. So it's like they could have gotten access to something that would have been really good to give these dogs.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan Absher]

But they didn't ask for it. While the team was searching the crash site, though, a group of Officers from the UMass campus police did begin searching Mara's dorm room. And that's clue number 12 for us. They actually found that most of her room appeared to be packed, as if she was planning to leave, kind of moving out of the dorm, they were assuming. And while they were there, the UMass Police also looked at Mara's computer activity. Under her student login, they found some of her instant messages and saw one conversation where she mentioned her boyfriend Bill had cheated on her. I've seen in some sources that they've even mentioned that this was printed out, but family and investigators haven't really confirmed this. At first, this seemed like a possible motive for her disappearance, until police learned it was likely an old message, one that was sent during a rough patch in their relationship almost two years earlier. And in some of the sources I've seen, like, her sister has even said, like, they don't know if she was moving out or if she just hadn't unpacked yet.

[Kayla Moore]

Right.

[Morgan Absher]

So there's not a lot that you can really gleam from this dorm room.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah, exactly. And the days that immediately followed Mara's vanishing, the searches continued, but. But not as many, and definitely not with the level of resources that her family was hoping for. Her credit cards, bank account, and cell phone were monitored by the police, but there was no recent activity. Within a couple of days, the Murrays started pushing for the FBI to actually take over the case. They wanted the investigation to be able to cross state lines. I mean, it's New England, which in general, all the states are very close to each other in New England. So just the chances that this crime had crossed state lines, there was, like, a potential for that. That.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah. Especially given how many places she was searching.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan Absher]

Who knows, you know, or like you.

[Kayla Moore]

Were saying, too, the scent trail stopped at a part of the road. What if someone did come by and pick her up? And that's exactly what the family was starting to fear, that she had been abducted while walking alongside the road. Maybe she was taken out of state by someone. They were still hoping that there was going to be help from the feds, but the Murray family didn't want to waste any time, so they conducted their own search efforts as well. Bill ends up flying in from Oklahoma. Julie postponed her military service in Iraq so that she could help search for Maura. And meanwhile, the case started taking off in the media, which is kind of what we talked about, too, earlier, where Facebook was in its infancy, it started trending there. It starts get going wild in the media. There's national broadcasts that pick up Mara's story. And before long, her case is pretty much being investigated by everyone, law enforcement, web sleuths alike. And one thing when we were looking up the web sleuthing of this was there were these things called Mora Murray celebrities that arose during the, like, early Facebook days. These were people who were so obsessed with the investigation that they became notable names in the true crime community for their search efforts and their digging and their sleuthing. Unfortunately, that didn't really help bring to light any new evidence or anything. The case began to stall, especially when police refused to fully cooperate with the family in the ways that the family thought would be helpful. So in 2005, which was a year after Mara disappeared, Fred Murray filed a lawsuit, hoping to pressure authorities into releasing Mara's case pile under foia, Freedom of Information Act. Fred wanted all of the information so that he could Continue to investigate privately. And with the attention he believed that the case deserved, the cops refused to hand over anything, and the case ended up going all the way to the Supreme Court. And ultimately the court ruled that it was okay to keep the record secret if they were, quote, investigatory in nature and, quote, releasing them could potentially disrupt ongoing law enforcement activities. This was something I looked into more of because FOIA is so temperamental.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah.

[Kayla Moore]

You can't just file a FOIA act and get the records all the time, especially, like, in unsolved cases. And unfortunately, there's so many workarounds that departments have in order to, like, not give the case files to family. And this is just one of those cases where they decided, no, we don't have to give you. There is no freedom of information here.

[Morgan Absher]

Well, and it's interesting, right, because what's to say there's a case where the family is a suspect and they file for all this information essentially on themselves.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan Absher]

To try to maybe cover things up. Now, I don't think that's the case here, but I think to Fred's point, it's like, okay, well, like, how long are you gonna keep this? It's been a year. You're not doing anything. The case has gone cold.

[Kayla Moore]

I know.

[Morgan Absher]

Do I wa. Five more years and then I can get information related to my daughter's disappearance.

[Kayla Moore]

Fred has talked about that a lot, too. Like he said in interviews, am I supposed to wait another 20 years before I can learn anything? Like, how long am I supposed to wait? And it's not like he was looking to get the information. You know, we talked about in Elizabeth Smart. Like, the family took a lot of risks in putting information out there. That's not really what the Murrays were going to do. They weren't going to put more information out there. They were just looking to have their own. Their own investigators come look at this case.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah. And I guess, like, the investigators, like, they should have at least then handed over things that they felt could be taken by Fred and then used in a private investigation, like, give him something. I know this is, you know, her dad trying to get answers.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah. Well, today it's been 21 years without an arrest. Obviously, there's been some false leads that have come forward and some dead ends. Police at one point even dug up an a frame home that was about a mile from the crash site in Haverville, New Hampshire, after a man claimed that his brother, who lived in the house, might have done something to Mara. But unfortunately, the dig, which took place in 2019 showed no signs of Mara. In 2021, there were more dashed hopes when human remains found in the White Mountains were thought to be Mara's. But that turned out to be a false lead as well. In 2022, the authorities made another extensive search for Mara in the area near Landaff, New Hampshire. They brought in canine teams again, but they didn't release any of the findings from that search. But there is one more new clue that might still be in play.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah. Which is clue number 14 for us. A surprise fingerprint match. So to kind of give you guys an idea how this happened, we need to give you some background info about someone whose name never came up at all in the original investigation, which is one of Mara's West Point classmates, a guy named Stefan Baldwin. He was arrested in 2020 for animal cruelty and financial crimes. The allegations against him, for which he ended up being sentenced to more than 15 years in prison, are pretty shocking. Stefan was a self proclaimed dog whisperer who would take in dangerous animals and promise to heal them if people donated enough money. In some of those cases, he euthanized the dogs, all while posting fake records to make it look like they were in loving homes.

[Kayla Moore]

That's horrible.

[Morgan Absher]

Pretty. That's pretty sick.

[Kayla Moore]

That's so depraved.

[Morgan Absher]

Now, Conroy says multiple women that were associated with Stefan ended up dead or missing. This is according to Conroy. As for what this has to do with Mara, well, when Stefan got arrested, he was fingerprinted. His prints were entered into the automated fingerprint identification system, and they came back as a match for some of the unknown fingerprints that were found on a CD in Mara's car. Now, we don't know if there was a relationship between them. Reddit has a lot of speculations all over on this case, and maybe if Mara was seeing someone else on the side, but that is all we know. Fingerprints on the cd.

[Kayla Moore]

And we don't have any evidence that anyone else was in the car that night.

[Morgan Absher]

No. And we don't know where the CD came from. You know, was it picked up at a Goodwill bin? Like.

[Kayla Moore]

We.

[Morgan Absher]

We really don't know. We just know. Fingerprints found on cd.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan Absher]

Is it a coincidence? I don't know. What do you guys think? It's. It's very weird. Very weird for it to be a coincidence, I would say. But let me know what you guys think. But Stefan isn't the only man in Mara's life who might have a questionable history. Our 15th and final clue has to do with Bill, who, again, was Mara's boyfriend when she vanished. True crime author James renner published a 45 minute video of women in their own words telling stories about Bill who had allegedly abused them. One of the accusers even claimed that Bill grabbed her by the neck and told her, quote, I'm going to kill you like I killed Mara. She said this was in 2004, the same year as Mara's disappearance. And one of Bill's accusers went to the police about an incident in 2011 which she claimed happened when she worked with Bill. Because of it, Bill was charged with felony sexual abuse in 2022. He did end up taking a plea deal and pleaded guilty to regular assault. Another accuser won a protection order against Bill in 2019 after a three day hearing in which she alleged some pretty serious physical abuse. As suspicious as this pattern might look, Bill does have an alibi for the time of Mara's disappearance. He was in Oklahoma, where he was stationed. And police did confirm this. And it should be mentioned that the Murray family does not support Renner or his vendetta against Bill specifically.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah, I was gonna say I just searched him in the Maura Murray subreddit to see what they said. And apparently James Renner believes that Mara is still alive and he has made some really wild cl, like unfounded claims about, like, her father having an inappropriate relationship with her. Just things that do not feel like they're actually authentic to the case. So I understand how the family would be very skeptical of this person. Yeah.

[Morgan Absher]

And I mean, who is he? How does he have any info related to this case if her own dad couldn't even do a Freedom of Information act and get any information?

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan Absher]

Like, where is this coming from? Is it substantiated?

[Kayla Moore]

A lot of people saying that he. They hope he gets hit with defamation for some of the things he said about the case. So. Yeah, interesting. Just an interesting footnote as we're covering this section.

[Morgan Absher]

Absolutely. And you know, Bill even used to post on Reddit. You bring up Reddit, like Bill went to Reddit talking about how much he loved Mara and he now has a website, a entire website about the case. He's done interviews, really trying to keep up the interest and awareness about Mara and the fact that she is still missing. The Reddit account Bill used is inactive now, but there is an excerpt from an old comment of his. Quote, she would literally jump from a treetop into the Saco river one day. That's a great story, by the way. And the next day be the most radiant woman at any formal event. She was one Of a kind. Now we know that boyfriends, husbands can say amazing, kind things about people and still be the culprit. But again, you know.

[Kayla Moore]

But it just doesn't feel like there was anyone in the car with her that night.

[Morgan Absher]

So I don't know.

[Kayla Moore]

It's so strange. I don't. I mean, we could talk about some of the theories that people have, some, like both police and online.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah.

[Kayla Moore]

The police really believe that she walked away and took her own life. That really seemed to be the narrative that they were sharing with the family. And they point to this one book that she had in her car. So Maura loved the White Mountains, which, it was like the direction she was heading on the 172, whatever interstate she was on. And she had a book with her. Julie talks about this in her podcast. She had. She had a book with her that, like, on one of the pages that was booked, marked, there was one sentence that you could interpret in some ways as like a depressed person talking about ending their life. But it was like, such a stretch. But the police really glommed onto that and they're like, see, look, she must have taken her own life. But I.

[Morgan Absher]

Seems like it's fishing.

[Kayla Moore]

I ended up asking my cousin, who's a cop, I was like, what are. What is the police's responsibility if they do believe someone took their life? Because for me, if that were my family, I would be like, like, yeah, but can you still help me look, like, this person, where is she? She could still be alive. Like, we don't know. Even if that was her intention, like, there's a chance that she's still alive and we could go save her. And it just felt like the police kept kicking the can down the road and not really, like, engaging in the search very quickly. So, yeah, it's just very frustrating. And in theory, the police are supposed to have a lot more responsibility even when they do think someone, but has taken their life.

[Morgan Absher]

Well, and it's, you know, you can make an assumption as an investigator, you can have a hunch, but at the end of the day, you don't have a body. You don't have Mara.

[Kayla Moore]

Right.

[Morgan Absher]

So how are you just going to stop looking and be like, oh, well, she must have wanted to disappear. She must have, you know, been suicidal. You don't know. So until you have definitive proof, this is an open case and you work your ass off trying to figure it out. Out. Especially in those early hours.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan Absher]

Like the fact it took 36 some odd hours to really get searches going and to use A on in like glove in the car.

[Kayla Moore]

Freezing weather, which love.

[Morgan Absher]

No one might not have used.

[Kayla Moore]

No one's gonna last 36 hours in those temperatures too. Like the. There's like a lot of urgency that needed to happen in this case that just didn't.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah. And I, I know Reddit is full of, you know, theories as well. A lot of them do think that. That she walked into the woods, didn't want to get, you know, in trouble for dui. This was the second car accident in, you know, a day's time, basically.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan Absher]

And so a lot of people were like, she was probably scared, she was nervous, she had all that alcohol. Like, so she walked off into the woods. But yeah, again, there is no Mara. Like, there wasn't extensive searches done with dogs in the way they should have been done to see how far she got on foot. Which then leads a lot of people to believe she didn't go anywhere on foot.

[Kayla Moore]

Right. Did she pick her up or. If you believe that there was a cop car that parked and was like, nose to nose with her car before the official cop car got there.

[Morgan Absher]

I mean, there's so many missing people cases that do end up coming home. I mean, we covered one last week with Elizabeth smart.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah.

[Morgan Absher]

There's J.C. dugard, where they're held captive for years and years. Like, it. It. It's kind of crazy that investigators didn't seemingly do their job as thoroughly as they should have early on with this one. Which. There's my. There's my mark today.

[Kayla Moore]

Yeah, a mark on the botchboard. I do think the Murray family still goes to that area and conducts their own searches just in hopes that they'll find something someday.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah.

[Kayla Moore]

But it's. Yeah, it's so heartbreaking.

[Morgan Absher]

It is. And I mean, I looked at Julie's Tiktoks and. And you know, she's still going over Google Maps of like, this is the corner. This is where her car was found. And like, when I was envisioning car and like all of this, like I was envisioning, oh, it was way in the ditch and it wasn't that far off the road. Like, it would have been easy for her to get picked up by someone and taken. Like, so I don't know.

[Kayla Moore]

I covered this case on Heart starts Pounding earlier this year, the case of Brandon Lawson. And he was someone who also made a really strange 911 call that people couldn't make sense of. It sounded like someone was maybe chasing him, parked his car on the side of a highway in Abilene Texas, and vanished without a trace. They did an extensive search in the sense that they had, like planes and people looking on the ground, never found him. And then it was just citizen sleuths who stayed passionate about the case who eventually did find his remains about like 10 or 12 years later, I think last Christmas, they made a positive ID on the remains.

[Morgan Absher]

Wow.

[Kayla Moore]

And sometimes that's what it takes is just people who are willing to kind of go comb through the woods and do these searches. So I know her family is still out there looking. I hope there's other people that are out there still looking. We have some notes here, too, about advocacy that her family has taken part in. Maurice Family has some specific initiatives that anyone who's very interested in this case that you can support. You can learn more on their official website, which is maramurimissing.org but this is what they're asking people who care about Mara and her story to do. First, engage with empathy. That's the biggest one that Julie says a lot. And practice care when you're talking about this case or with any case. And this is what Morgan and I try to do every time. So care means, according to the family's website, centering the victims and those with the most at stake, balancing public interest with potential harm. Avoid harmful speculation. Ask if this content furthers the case or simply entertains research responsibly. Be critical and curious of content, the veracity of sourcing and do not accept subjective interpretations as indisputable fact. This helps eliminate the harmful proliferation of misinformation. And as anyone who listens to Heart Starts Pounding knows, I am such a stickler about sources hugely, hugely important to me. Yeah, engage with empathy. Victims and families did not choose these tragic paths. Engaging them with a level of sensitivity is crucial in order to prevent exploitation and unfair public indictments of innocent people. Now, that's stuff that we try to do with every episode and certainly in this one as well. Mars Family is also asking the public to support a permanent historical marker for Mara near the place where her car crashed. You can go to maramurimissing.org and click on Campaigns and then hashtag blue ribbon campaign to find out ways that you can help help. And lastly, if you know anything about this case, you can contact the New Hampshire State Police Cold case [e-mail] or call at 603-271-2663. Now, Julie, we've talked about this a little bit in this episode. Julie Murray has her own podcast on the case. Media pressure and she says that she's already gotten useful new tips from the public, just people that have listened to this show. Julie's active on TikTok too. She' under the handle aramuraymissing, so you can always reach out to her. She's so open to new information and she just also seems like a very kind person. So you can always reach out to her with anything that you might know. Fred and Julie are the last members of the immediate family left, but they're determined to find Mara, while Fred, who is now in his 80s, is still here to witness the moment this mystery is finally solved.

[Morgan Absher]

And on that note, let's move on to our missing person of the week.

[Kayla Moore]

This is coming from an ABC News article, but California authorities are trying to track down a missing nine year old named Melody Buzzard. She was last spotted in August of 2025 after the authorities initially said that she hadn't been seen since October of 2024. The search for Melody started this past August when a school official reported her having a prolonged absence. Though there are reports that Melo been homeschooled for, quote, at least a couple of years.

[Morgan Absher]

Yeah, but hasn't checked in with the district since October of last year. An article that just came out a few hours ago actually is reporting new information that her mother is being extremely uncooperative. And there are reports that they had recently taken a 1500 mile road trip with her, quote, extremely mentally unstable mother. And as recent as October 7, they were mysteriously driving as far as Nebraska in a rental car. So they are desperately looking for her. At this point in time. They were spotted making several stops in the rented vehicle, which was a white Chevy Malibu along the way. And that's according to police.

[Kayla Moore]

It also looks like her father is deceased, so I believe her mother's her only caretaker. We'll include a picture of her on our socials. There's not an official description that police are going out with right now, but we can see from her photo that she has brown hair, brown eyes, long, curly, big brown hair. But they have said that the most recent photo of her is 2 years old, so she may look different at this point. Anyone with information can call the Sheriff's department at 805-681-4150 or you can submit a tip anonymously at 805-681-4171 or sbsheriff.org and that is all we have for this episode of Clues. Now we want to hear from you guys on this one. Thoughts, theories, feelings, emotions are you part of the online community that's talking about this? Just I'm so curious what our listeners think about this one because I feel very stumped when I try to think of what could have happened.

[Morgan Absher]

Absolutely. And I think it's so important to address these cases that still go unsolved after all these years to raise awareness. I mean, I talked about it at the beginning of this episode. I had no idea about Mara's case before today. So it's important to keep getting the word out. Sharing Things, Sharing Things on Socials all of our socials are super shareable, especially that Missing Person of the Week poster we put up. So takes a community and I know you guys are one one willing to do the work and put in the work week after week with us. So thank you so much for being here. If you want more of us, I'm over on two Hot Takes, Kaylin on Heart Starts Pounding and at Crime House we really value your support. So share your thoughts on social media and remember to rate, review and follow clues to help others discover our show. Next week we are going to be off for the holidays, but join us the following week for a new episode and as always, put the cases you want to see in the comments. Thanks guys.

[Kayla Moore]

Thanks.

[Morgan Absher]

Bye. Bye.

[Kayla Moore]

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