Kayla Moore (2:36)

Yeah, it was really emotional.

Morgan Abshur (2:39)

I just applaud them. I think it's one of the most victim centered.

Kayla Moore (2:44)

Yeah.

Morgan Abshur (2:44)

Docs I've seen.

Kayla Moore (2:45)

Yeah.

Morgan Abshur (2:46)

Especially recently. That's coming to mind. And we're gonna get into this case. It is an insane case, but the person at the center of this Mo was just so incredible and I think

Kayla Moore (2:58)

that's why we wanted to make this episode. If you saw the Netflix documentary, you saw Mo's story, you heard from her family. But there's a lot more to the story that they couldn't fit in a 90 minute documentary, obviously. And so we're gonna get a little bit more into the weeds on some of the stuff that was left out of the documentary.

Morgan Abshur (3:13)

Yeah.

Kayla Moore (3:13)

To present kind of like a more comprehensive, I guess, view of the case,

Morgan Abshur (3:17)

especially in terms of the investigation. A lot of Sherlock moments, some botched

Kayla Moore (3:22)

moments, which is great because we got a. Last week we got a comment from, on YouTube from Sydney Little9822 and she specifically asked for more Sherlock cases. I know, I know. She, she was like, we've been getting a lot of botch. I know so far. And so are there more like Sherlock cases you can provide? And this is definitely one of those.

Morgan Abshur (3:41)

I think it's good to have that comparison too of like, okay, this is how it's done. And if you have any cases that come to mind, please put em in the comments. We see them all because we definitely wanna get into it. I would love to have an episode where it says Sherlock instead of botched here.

Kayla Moore (3:57)

Yes.

Morgan Abshur (3:57)

And we really just go to town. But I do have fresh markers. We'll see how they work. I've been seeing a lot of comments about hey, your markers suck.

Kayla Moore (4:04)

We know that they're a little dry. We got it.

Morgan Abshur (4:07)

It's been used quite a bit. And now I have a green one for the Sherlock. So we'll see how it goes. But let us know what your tallies are at the end too, if you're keeping count at home.

Kayla Moore (4:16)

And just a reminder, if you're watching this on YouTube, you're going to see some pictures, images, you're going to see some videos too that will help you visualize this case. And if you're listening to this episode, you can follow us on socials and see all those same things at Clues podcast on Instagram. And you should just follow us there anyways. All right. And with that, should we get into it?

Morgan Abshur (4:34)

Let's dive in.

Kayla Moore (4:35)

This case today is going to start just before 10pm on Wednesday, May 11, 2022 in Austin, Texas. There, a young woman named Caitlin Cash is walking back to her apartment in the Cherrywood neighborhood, which is on the east side of the. She's been out for the evening. Her friend Mo Wilson has been staying with her all week though. She's a 25 year old cyclist who's in town for a race called Gravel Locos. And it's scheduled for that Saturday before she left. Earlier that day, Cash sent Mo's mom, Karen, a short video. And in this video, Mo is laughing. She's getting ready for a training ride. And the text that she sent with it says, quote, your girl's here safe with me. Cash unlocks the door. The apartment is quiet when she walks in, and she wasn't really expecting that, having a friend in town. So she calls out, but there's no answer from Mo. So she goes around the corner of her apartment, and she sees that her bathroom door is actually open, which kind of strikes her as being odd. So she goes inside, and in there, she finds her friend Mo Wilson, lying on her back on the floor, and she's unconscious, and there is blood everywhere in this bathroom. So Cash, thinking quickly, she goes and she grabs the phone and dials 91 1. Immediately, the dispatcher, who, you know, we've had some really bad 911 dispatchers on the show in this 911 call. This dispatcher I thought was amazing.

Morgan Abshur (5:53)

I was gonna say, I'm so glad you brought it up, because this is one of the best dispatchers I think I've ever heard.

Kayla Moore (5:57)

Yeah. He immediately, like, locks in, is like, we're gonna do chest compressions. Teaches her how to do chest compressions, and is constantly reassuring her, like, the police are on their way. I've dispatched the police.

Morgan Abshur (6:08)

Well, and you can hear the shock, the trauma in Cash's voice. And he does such a good job keeping her calm and focused on cpr.

Kayla Moore (6:15)

And when Cash is counting out loud to the dispatcher, she gets to 26. And that's when she hears that there's officers knocking at the door. She. That's how fast they get there. And the first responders take over doing chest compressions, and they lead Caitlin Cash outside. And when Caitlyn's outside, she starts wondering why there's not a little bit more urgency. She saw the first responders go in, but they're not rushing out with Mo to get her to the hospital. And so she ends up asking, like, hey, what's going on? Why aren't you bringing my friend out right now? And that's when the first responders have to basically tell her that it seems like your friend didn't make it. And that's when Anna Mariah Wilson was pronounced dead at the scene at just 25 years old, a week shy of her 26th birthday. Now, this goes on to be one of the twistiest investigations that we've covered. But before we get into it, I wanna take a quick step back and describe Mo Wilson a little bit, because you need to know who she was to really understand how this investigation unfolded. Anna Mariah Wilson was born on May 18, 1996 in Littleton, New Hampshire. She grew up in Kirby, Vermont, though, and everyone who knew her called her Mo. She grew up in a family of athletes. Her father, Eric, was a champion skier and a coach, and her aunt is actually a two time Olympic skier. And almost before she could walk, she was on skis and riding bikes. She dreamed of competing in the Olympics as an Alpine ski racer, and soon that dream became a reality. By her junior year at Burke Mountain Academy, this is a prestigious Vermont prep school for competitive skiers, she was ranked third nationally in her age group. But before she was able to compete in the Olympics, she blew out her acl. She didn't let that stop her, though. She recovered and she got into Dartmouth and she goes on to study engineering and made the Alpine ski team. And then she blew out that same ACL again. After her second tear, she realized her Olympic skiing path was pretty much over. So instead of giving up, that was definitely not the type of person she was, she pivoted and she wanted to get into something that she'd always loved alongside skiing and that was cycling. Specifically this thing called gravel racing, which I didn't really know much about until I watched this documentary. But it's cool. It's basically like off roading, biking. You're like on those little gravel paths in the woods.

Morgan Abshur (8:28)

It's intense riding, really fast. You're going far.

Kayla Moore (8:32)

Yeah, it's kind of scary. And these events can cover 100 to 300 miles of unpaved terrain through farmland and forest roads, and also in extreme conditions. There's no support crew and there's no guarantees when you're doing these rides. And Mo took to it almost immediately and she was excellent at it. By 2022, Mo Wilson was 25 years old and she was ranked in the top tier of American gravel racers. She had this really intense inner strength and work ethic combined with a focus that made her a dominant force in the sport. Journalists and professionals in the gravel racing industry were saying that she was bound to be the best in the country and probably the world. Eventually she was fully sponsored and she was beloved by everyone in this community. Everyone was just so impressed by her. Mel was known in the gravel racing world not just for her talent, though, but also for her warmth and generosity toward other competitors. She was the kind of athlete who would genuinely celebrate a rival's win. And the people who knew her described her as being just full of light and laughter. She smiled more than anyone around her. Every picture you see of her in the documentary, every interview, she's always, like, laughing and smiling. She was someone who made you feel like the most important person in the room. She remembered details about everyone's lives. She showed up for them, and she brought genuine enthusiasm to every interaction.

Morgan Abshur (9:52)

Yeah, when you hear her friends talk about her, you just can tell how loved she was. And I did a deep dive into some of her blog posts that are on the website the family has now established. And her personality shines through these blog posts. I mean, absolutely incredible. And I want to read a quote here that the family did share from her journal, too. Quote, I want to be the kind of person that picks other people up when they fall down, who's there for people when they need support, encouragement and insight. I want to be the type of person that people can't help but smile when they're around. I want to be the type of person who fills their minds and thoughts with more worthwhile things. I mean, she had friends everywhere and was so beloved. And again, her blog posts, I feel like more motivated after reading them. Yeah, how she talks about risks and taking risk and she interviews her friends and talks about their passion and, oh, you're into art. What does art mean to you? What about, you know, community? What does that mean to you? Yeah, she even gives wine recommendations.

Kayla Moore (10:54)

Oh, my gosh. I mean, she does it all.

Morgan Abshur (10:56)

She does it all. Just such a light.

Kayla Moore (10:59)

And despite being so busy deep inside of this world, she still took a lot of time to slow down and spend quality time with everyone she knew. So she was scheduled to compete in the Migration Gravel Race in East Africa that summer. It was one of the most coveted events in the sport. People who followed Gravel Racing believed 2022 was going to be Mo's year. And we're going to play some clips of Mariah racing just to show you absolutely how different, dominant she was in the sport. I mean, it's just podium finish after podium finish. She's like, on fire, on fire all

Morgan Abshur (11:28)

the time, holding up those big checks. And when you watch the clips of these hills, like, I'm gonna be honest, like, I got a little nauseous watching, like, how hard this looked.

Kayla Moore (11:37)

Yeah, I know. I could never do anything she's remotely close.

Morgan Abshur (11:40)

Was such an insane athlete.

Kayla Moore (11:42)

So 2022 was definitely going to be a breakout year for her. She had this Africa trip, but before that, she was going to do A trip in Austin, and that was to race the Gravel Locos. She'd be staying with her friend, Caitlin Cash. She was going to be in town a little bit early to train, and while she was there, she was going to catch up with another friend, Colin Strickland, who is a fellow gravel racer. She was five days away from the starting line when her career and her life was cut tragically short.

Morgan Abshur (12:08)

With friends and family left devastated and just reeling, investigators needed to get some answers and fast. Mo didn't have any enemies. According to her friend Cash, she didn't really know anyone in Austin except for that one other friend, Colin Strickland. So they needed to evaluate our first clue, the crime scene stat, and see what they could really gather to get any idea of where to go. Detectives quickly arrived at Kaitlin Cash's apartment on the night of May 11, and they immediately started assessing the crime scene. There's no signs of a break in or forced entry. No furniture is damaged. The room hasn't been torn apart. There's nothing noticeably missing. To detectives, immediately and very quickly, they're able to locate shell casings. There's three 9 millimeter shell casings on the bathroom floor. However, no murder weapon was left behind and isn't clearly visible anywhere nearby. The landlord who lived in the unit below, David Harris, was home at the time and said he heard nothing unusual. What Harris did hear was footsteps running down the stairs and the sound of bicycle spokes clicking through the back alleyway behind the building. And that's when police realize Mo's bike, one of her most prized possessions, her livelihood, essentially like an extension of herself, her identity as an athlete, is missing from the apartment. A quick search of the area around the complex shows that it didn't go far, though police find it in the bushes approximately 60ft away from the building. Clearly not stolen. It's thrown, tossed haphazardly in the shrubbery. So with the one item that appeared to be stolen now accounted for, what's the motive here? Investigators quickly began canvassing the neighborhood, collecting any eyewitness statements, any evidence that they can. And that brings us to our second clue, the doorbell camera footage. Detective Richard Spitler found the exact moment that Mo was shot on a neighbor's continuously recording doorbell camera that also captured audio. While this recording just showed the front porch, he was able to hear screams, thus indicating Mo's last moments. He heard a scream, two shots, a six second silence, and then a third and final shot. And these audible shots line up with those three casings that were found in the apartment. This video also gave Detective Spitler a very specific time of death, 9:15pm, just an hour before her friend Caitlin Cash got home. The security camera audio, along with Mo's examination, put together a clearer picture of how things likely played out between Mo and her attacker. And the next description of Mo's injuries are a bit graphic. So please skip ahead a little bit if you can't handle that. Today detectives learn that Mo Wilson had been shot those three times. Shot one to the front of the head, shot two to the side of the head, which also passed through Mo's right index finger as it traveled and also left a cut on her hand, almost as if her hand was up to block. Investigators believe Mo was on the ground after those first two shots. Then there was a six second pause. Six seconds. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. Before a final shot was fired through her heart. Whoever did this stood over Mo after she had already been down and fired that final time to make sure she was not getting back up. That six second pause told police a lot. This wasn't a panic killing. That pause meant it wasn't just a quick reaction. This was a very deliberate choice. And I counted them out because when you count them out, like, you realize how long 6 seconds can be in that moment.

Kayla Moore (16:10)

Yeah. When you're standing over someone who's laying on the floor can't hurt you, and you count to six, that person is fully aware of what they're doing.

Morgan Abshur (16:18)

You know what you're doing. After this, investigators know, like, we've got to canvas harder. So they go all around the block for more footage, and they actually locate another neighbor's doorbell camera that catches something really important. This doorbell camera was positioned to cover the front of Cash's building, and it captured an unknown vehicle in the time between when Mo returned to the apartment and when Cash discovered her body. A black Jeep Cherokee with a bike rack on top is seen driving by. It actually circles the block multiple times and it never fully stops or parks, but it's clear that it. It's watching. It's almost like stalking. And it does disappear. Shortly before Cash's 911 call. Investigators can't get a clear read on the car's license plate, though, so they're going to have to keep digging deeper to be able to even identify who this could be. Investigators start retracing Mo's steps to narrow down potential suspects on the night of the murder. Caitlin Cash tells police that Mo texted her before she left that afternoon. It read, quote, just FYI, I'm going to go swim and eat dinner with Colin tonight, which is clue number three for us. The date Now. Colin Strickland is most friend, but he's also one of the best known names in American gravel cycling. He's a professional racer who's based in Austin. And by 2021, he was kind of beginning to phase out of the sport just as Mo was rising and really coming out on top of it. By some accounts, Colin was one of the original stars of the sport. He, he kind of put it on the map in the US and he and Mo actually first met at a race in Idaho in September 2021. He and Mo clicked immediately. But here's a quote from Colin that kind of describes the relationship and how it first started. Quote, I had met Mariah at Rebecca's private Idaho. She just smashed the race at the end of the event. I invited her out to get a beer. I had a girlfriend. We didn't have any romantic conversations at all. We just talked about her future career. I told her you were going to win so many events. Definitely was attracted to her, but also just wanted to be helpful. And at that point it was totally inappropriate to be dating. They spent time together as friends and Colin was seemingly going to help Mo get sponsors. But come October, Colin and his girlfriend, who were kind of on again, off again, they ended up being off. So Mo went to go visit him in Austin. It seemed like it was a let's see if there's more here kind of trip. And during this time they did become intimate, but things were extremely confusing for movies. I have some quotes from her where she's just trying to describe the situation and you just like get the, the confusion of like this situationship. And I think a lot of us have been there where you're like, you're kind of interested, but you don't know if they're interested and you have a short amount of time and you're like, what is this?

Kayla Moore (19:21)

Yeah, help.

Morgan Abshur (19:22)

So Mo says this quote, I think I like him more than I'd like to admit, but was worried he didn't feel the same way. I want to know his cards first before playing my own. I'm terrified of expressing feelings and being rejected. And before they were able to really explore things further or define what they were, Colin was kind of breaking things off, taking a step back and putting Mo back in that friend zone seemingly. By May 2022, Colin was back together with his girlfriend. And while he stayed in touch, he saved her number under a fake name in his phone. That fake name being Christine Wall.

Kayla Moore (20:02)

Yeah. He saved Mo's number in his phone under a fake name.

Morgan Abshur (20:06)

Yeah, yeah, you're clearly, if you have to save someone's name under a fake number, there's something wrong with that situation. So again, Mo is extremely confused. She's unsure of what and where things stood between them. While reviewing Mo's phone during the investigation, Detective Spitler found voice memos that she had actually recorded to some friends. Trying to help make sense of it all in one. She described arriving in Bentonville, Arkansas for race and hearing nothing from Colin. Total silence, just kind of getting ghosted. She did end up running into him that night at a bar with his girlfriend and a group of friends. He did hug her briefly, but barely said anything and then kind of moved on. On the day that she was killed, Mo texted him, quote, my mind has been going in circles and I don't know what to think. She wanted that evening to be just where they would talk, kind of figure things out, where they actually stood between them, like, hey, we're friends, like, we're good. Stop letting this be awkward. And Colin texted her back and said, quote, want to go swimming, maybe swimming in a beverage. And Detective Spitler, when analyzing all of this, you know, between her and Colin, between her and her friends, he kind of said, like, it looked like Mariah was just constantly questioning everything and like, just wanted to sort the status of this relationship. And so on the afternoon of May 11, Colin picked up Mo on his motorcycle. They swam at Deep Eddie Pool, which is this public spring fed spot in Austin. And then they had dinner at Pool Burger across the street. He dropped her off at the base of the stairs to her friend Cash's apartment around 8:30pm and rode away on his motorcycle. So pretty quickly the police are like, last person to see her alive. Yeah.

Kayla Moore (21:50)

And also had a girlfriend. Like, did he kill her to shut her up? Like, what's going on? What's going on? We already know he has some loser behavior, so he's looking pretty suspect.

Morgan Abshur (21:58)

Yeah. So they go to his house the next morning. So this is a point a lot of people will bring up on Reddit where they're like, we can give him a botched mark here. The detective's a little confused by the name and they go, do you know Anna? Anna, Mo, Monique, Mon, last name Wilson. Like not even getting Mariah's name right as you're going to a potential suspect. And they're like, botch. Like, if they would have said her name right, you could have gotten a genuine reaction from him about being confronted.

Kayla Moore (22:33)

Yes.

Morgan Abshur (22:34)

And so we're going to give it a little mark there. But I will say once the detective does get Mo's name right, Colin's face just looks shocked.

Kayla Moore (22:45)

Yes, he looks ill. Ill.

Morgan Abshur (22:47)

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Kayla Moore (25:19)

Colin Strickland spends six hours in the police station on May 12, 2022. He answered every single question he was asked. He walks detectives through every part of his evening with Mo. He's very forthcoming with information. He talks about the swim. He tells him about the dinner that they had together, what drop off was like. He said that he went straight home on his motorcycle afterwards, he never went inside the apartment and he didn't see anyone else around when he left. And a detective leaves him alone in the room for over an hour, and a camera is recording that entire time. And you just watch him slump against the wall. He wraps his arms around himself. It doesn't seem like he's feigning panic. And you hear him just repeat over and over again, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. When the cops return, they show him doorbell footage of that black Jeep that was in his driveway driving around the neighborhood. And they watch his face really carefully to see if they can catch anything. And what Colin says when they show him this footage kind of surprises the investigators. He says, that's not my Jeep. It belongs to my girlfriend. Now, just to be clear, this is a different Caitlyn than most friend that she was staying with. Caitlyn Cash. We'll just call her Cash, and we'll refer to Caitlyn Armstrong as Caitlyn Armstrong. Colin's girlfriend, Caitlyn Armstrong grew up in Livonia, Michigan. She attended Eastern Michigan University. She had a finance background, and she was a licensed realtor in Texas. She was also, on top of that, a certified yoga instructor from a program that she trained in in Indonesia. And she and Colin met on a dating app in October of 2019. By 2021, after her Austin apartment flooded, she moved into his house. And, you know, this started as just kind of a temporary living situation, but eventually it becomes this whole life that they're living together. She starts managing his finances. You know, he has all of these brand deals coming in. She's really helping him with that with her finance background. He also is starting a trailer restor business called Wheelhouse Mobile. And she's basically like running the books for that company. She had access to his bank accounts, his phone, his social media logins, also his email. These two people were very entangled in each Other's lives in every sense of the word. And people in Colin's cycling circle group noticed that it was kind of an odd dynamic from the beginning because when Colin would go to races, he would barely ever talk about the fact that he had a girlfriend.

Morgan Abshur (27:45)

I mean, there's a lot of quotes and in the Netflix doc, they do interview a lot of other racers and a lot of them are like, oh, yeah, we, we kind of knew he had a history of manipulating women in relationships. There's one quote here from Libby Caldwell who says, quote, he didn't go to bike races and act like he had a girlfriend. He wouldn't talk about her or bring her around. And there's a journalist in the doc too, that jokes and they're like, yeah, Caitlin was the woman standing next to Colin that he wouldn't introduce you to.

Kayla Moore (28:13)

Yeah. Have you ever had those people in your life where you're like, it almost feels like they have a fake girlfriend. Like, you know that they have a girlfriend, but they never, ever, ever talk about her. I knew someone who had a whole wife and never told us, was like part of our friend group sort of. It's just like, so. It's so weird to me.

Morgan Abshur (28:32)

It's so weird. And like, I've been in like, awkward situationships where like, I'm not officially dating the person. We go out, we're at the same bar at the same time, and like, you get kind of ignored and it's like, oh, you're keeping me as an option. But like, yeah, this was his girlfriend.

Kayla Moore (28:46)

Yeah. Who mind you, has access to all of his social media accounts and his financial information.

Morgan Abshur (28:50)

They're intertwined in every way.

Kayla Moore (28:52)

So to not even bring her up, it's so wild to me, it's insane. But Colin was known to have many female friends in the sport. However, it seems like Caitlyn really monitored all of these women and sometimes would confront him about them. Colin's behavior did not help the situation. He told his friends multiple times that he wasn't sure that their relationship was going to work long term, which, if that's what you're feeling deep down, maybe untangle that person from your financial information. Just a word to the wise. In October of 2021, after a race in Bentonville, Arkansas, he ended things with Caitlyn while they were driving home together. Mo had actually seen Colin at this race and she thought that he was acting weird. But even though they broke up when they got home, Caitlin didn't move out of the house right away. He decided he was going to let her stay there. And she just ended up moving into another bedroom in the house. So they were technically broken up, but they were living together in the same house, and they were still running a business together. And it was during that break, while Caitlin was still living with Colin, that Mo came and visited Austin for a week. Colin introduced Mo to his friends, something that he never really did with Caitlin, and together they went out to a couple local spots. Now, it appears that Caitlin was out of town during this time, but word did get back to her about Mo's visit, and she texted Colin, quote, I know you know better than to show up at the Meteor with that girl. And the Meteor is a local spot in Austin. When Mo went back to California afterwards, Colin hid her in his phone under that alias, Christine Wall. And this was all in an effort to keep Caitlyn from finding out that they were still talk. He eventually did get back together with Caitlyn, and he told her in some form, in some version, what had happened with him and Mo, and Caitlyn didn't leave. Instead, it seems like after this, she just became even more controlling. And we know that kind of, because when investigators were looking at Colin's phone, he had 71 blocked contacts. And Colin later told them that he didn't recall blocking most of them himself.

Morgan Abshur (30:56)

So it seems like 71 seems like

Kayla Moore (30:58)

Caitlyn was blocking numbers for him. At least four of them were women that he could identify, including Mo Wilson. But the implication was clear. Caitlyn, who had full access to his phone, had been systematically deleting women and blocking them from his contact list. It seems like she wasn't just monitoring his life, she was trying to actively edit it. And then there's the Instagram text. So in early 2022, Colin posted a video from a race, and Mo does appear briefly in the background of the frame. You can kind of see her. And Caitlyn sends a tech to him immediately after she sees this, and she says to send her love to Mo. Colin said that it felt extremely passive aggressive. But I tell you, all of this to kind of build some context around how Colin was living his life at the time of Mo's death. It was in this weird, almost like enmeshment with Caitlyn Armstrong, which is why she was now being put under the microscope by police.

Morgan Abshur (31:53)

Just so toxic.

Kayla Moore (31:54)

And so throughout Colin's interview with the police, they began pressing him if he thought Caitlyn could have been capable of doing something like this. And they ask him, Colin, knowing Caitlyn's vehicle Is there? What do you think took place? And Colin appears to be pretty shocked by this.

Morgan Abshur (32:10)

He doesn't respond for what feels like forever as you're watching it.

Kayla Moore (32:14)

He's like really thinking about it.

Morgan Abshur (32:16)

He's like, oh, car was there. What does that mean?

Kayla Moore (32:20)

And he eventually responds, I, I don't know, I just can't imagine. And eventually he goes on to say, I know both of these people and I can't imagine it. It's just so far beyond the realm of reality that I live in.

Morgan Abshur (32:32)

Or I thought they again, like just keep asking him and asking him. They, they rephrase it. They go at it in different ways. And he seems so sure that this is impossible.

Kayla Moore (32:44)

Yeah.

Morgan Abshur (32:44)

And he says, quote, I don't believe she. I wouldn't be living with a fucking person who I thought is capable of doing this. The answer is no, I don't believe it. That's my perspective of the world. Like, he's like, no, I wouldn't live with this person. I wouldn't let this person like be around my mom. Like, he's like, there's no way.

Kayla Moore (33:02)

If I thought that she was capable of doing this.

Morgan Abshur (33:04)

No. And like at this point, he's like, no, she's kind, she's, she's so caring. What? Like, she's so docile. He's like, there's no way.

Kayla Moore (33:14)

Very interesting. Investigators keep probing from all angles though. And one question really starts amplifying their suspicions. And they ask, quote, do you know if Mo or Cash owned any firearms or anything like that? And he responds, I would highly doubt it. So they ask him, well, do you own any firearms? And he tells that he actually bought a pistol last fall, though he's never shot it. And they ask him what type of gun it was and he says it's a 9 millimeter. And remember, it was 9 millimeter cartridge casings that were found near Mo. It turns out that he's not the only one though, with a nine millimeter. He had also bought Caitlyn one as well. He had taken her to McBride's, which is a family run gun shop in Austin in December 2021. The reason was that Caitlyn had been expressing fear about road rage and riding her bike alone. And she specifically picked out a Sig Sauer P365, which is a compact 9 millimeter. It's built specifically for concealed carry. Then she went out to a shooting range with her sister Christine afterwards because she wanted to learn how to use it. So, you know, after hearing all this sirens start really Blaring for detectives. They just needed to figure out how to close in. Did they have enough yet to justify a search warrant?

Morgan Abshur (34:34)

Well, while Colin was at the police station on the morning of May 12, a friend named Lance actually went to their house to borrow a bike. Part, like, wasn't communicated, like, hey, I'm at the station. Like, still goes over there, and Caitlyn is there waiting for him. Essentially, she mentions Mo's death to him, and then she asks something that brings us to our next clue. Number four. Quote, is Cherrywood a bad neighborhood?

Kayla Moore (35:00)

But, yeah, she specifically brings it up unprompted to him and asks about the neighborhood.

Morgan Abshur (35:04)

And this is really significant because, like, this is the name of the neighborhood where Mo was killed. This has not been made public yet. It's not a part of any news report. Austin PD hasn't released the location. The only people who should have known Mo died in Cherrywood are law enforcement and whoever was in that building at that point.

Kayla Moore (35:25)

Does Colin know the specifics of how she was killed or where she was found?

Morgan Abshur (35:31)

I don't think so. I'm trying to replay that initial clip when detectives approach him in his garage. Yeah, they do say they're investigating as a homicide.

Kayla Moore (35:40)

Right? Right.

Morgan Abshur (35:41)

But I don't think they.

Kayla Moore (35:42)

They just say she passed away last night. It's being investigated.

Morgan Abshur (35:45)

So Colin knew where she lived. But no way would Colin have told Caitlyn and been like, I was at Mo's friend's place in Cherrywood. He's hiding that they were even together.

Kayla Moore (35:56)

Yeah, that's also true. And he's been in the station the whole time. He hasn't, like, gotten a chance to kind of connect with me?

Morgan Abshur (36:01)

No. So how would she know? Yeah, and Lance, the friend that went over there, realizes the implication of this pretty much immediately after he leaves. Sherlock. Sherlock moment.

Kayla Moore (36:13)

Paying attention, listening to women.

Morgan Abshur (36:16)

So Lance does go forward. Later reports it. And so if police weren't on to Caitlyn already, they are definitely onto her now. So with all the circumstantial evidence mounting, investigators execute a search warrant on Colin and Caitlyn's house later that day on May 12, 2022. There they find clue number five. Confiscated items from Colin and Caitlin's home. Investigators seize two guns, two cell phones, two computers. They DNA swab the steering wheel and other areas of the Jeep where main things would be touched or located. And now investigators are sure that when they start comparing ballistics to those found at the crime scene to those guns, one of those guns that was confiscated, they're Pretty certain they're going to match.

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Morgan Abshur (40:43)

Yeah, I want a lawyer immediately.

Kayla Moore (40:45)

Exactly.

Morgan Abshur (40:45)

So she'll know what's up.

Kayla Moore (40:46)

They need a reason to bring her into the station. So they dig into Caitlyn's background a little bit just to see if there's anything they can bring her in on. And they find it. And I want to hit, I'm out of Sherlock for this. So there's a 2018 misdemeanor in Caitlyn's past, and it's for a theft of service. And that theft of service is not covered in the documentary, but I think it's really important.

Morgan Abshur (41:07)

This is insane.

Kayla Moore (41:08)

So Caitlyn had received a Botox treatment at an Austin medical spa. She said she left her card in the car and she walked outta the front door and she never came back to pay. It was $650 worth of Botox.

Morgan Abshur (41:21)

I'm just thinking back to our My Treece episode where she was charged with defrauding an innkeeper for about $99. Yes. And this is $600.

Kayla Moore (41:32)

This is. Yeah, it's $650. And also it's a 2018 misdemeanor, which means for four years, no one's tried to hunt her down for this money unnecessarily, which does.

Morgan Abshur (41:41)

It feels a little Sherlock, but. But a little botched at the same time.

Kayla Moore (41:45)

It's probably. Yeah, yeah, no, it's a good. Yeah, it's a good point. I think probably the med spa was, like, not trying to hunt her down either, even though it's very annoying. So she was charged at the time, but she was never arrested, and the warrant had just been sitting dormant for those four years. So then on May 12, though, they arrest her on the old theft charge and they bring her into an interrogation room. And footage from that interview is included in the Netflix documentary the Detective Works Multiple approaches. Empathy, logic, evidence. She's this really cool investigator who has, like, tattooed arms and is just trying to, like, sit with Caitlyn and be like, listen, we've heard Colin's side of the story. Can we just hear yours? Just so we have both. If you don't give us your story, we're just gonna have one side. And Caitlyn's response every time she's asked anything about Mo Wilson is, I would like to leave. And, you know, the investigator says it again, if you leave, you. You are allowed to leave, but if you go, we're only going to have one side of the story. And Caitlin says, still, I'd like to leave. She says it four times, and every time is the same cadence. It's super flat, it's emotionless, and it's serious. You can't even tell if she's nervous or anything. She even says that she'd like a lawyer.

Morgan Abshur (42:59)

Okay, so you guys are going to be very proud of me. I know. I say all the time, like, I need to phone a lawyer button. I did phone a lawyer for this.

Kayla Moore (43:07)

Oh, nice.

Morgan Abshur (43:08)

So a lot of people on Reddit call this detective dumb. They say she was very inappropriate in the way she interviewed Caitlin and tried to go about this. Like, the minute that Caitlin was like, I'd like to leave. I'd like a lawyer, the questioning should have stopped. And that is where it gets really dicey, because I was like, is that necessarily true? Like, because the detective kept going on and being like, well, we're only gonna get one side then, like. And she was trying to make it really personal, too. Like, he's a guy. I get it. Guy. You know, guys say things. And so I asked my friend Reb Maisel. She's a lawyer and has a podcast called Rebuttal. And I was like, is this wrong how the investigator Went about this like, would this have been inadmissible because she said, I would like a lawyer. And what the investigator did, not botched at all. So Reb says this. In order for police to be required to read Miranda warning to a person, the person must have been subject to custodial interrogation. Custodial interrogation typically means under arrest and in police custody, but can also mean that a reasonable person would believe they were not free to leave. So Reb basically said she failed to clearly and unambiguously request a lawyer as required by Miranda precedent. Long answer explanation. In a perfect world, yes. But case law is wildly pro police and anti defendant. Miranda precedent has evolved to make it extremely difficult for a defendant to properly invoke their Miranda rights with respect to an attorney and extremely easy for a police officer to give half baked Miranda warnings and get away with it.

Kayla Moore (44:41)

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

Morgan Abshur (44:42)

Under Miranda, a suspect's request for an attorney must be clear and unambiguous. Even when a clear and unambiguous request for an attorney is made, which requires the police officers stop the interrogation immediately until a lawyer is present. If the suspect continues talking and keeps initiating questioning with lawyers, that can serve as a waiver of the right they invoked, she goes exhausting. I know. And it wasn't clear and ambiguous like, so the detective was trying to fish and get her to re engage. Yeah. And she would re engage and have these responses where she's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Like, that's not how it went. Blah, blah, blah.

Kayla Moore (45:19)

Yeah.

Morgan Abshur (45:20)

And so she was re engaging every time. Yeah. If she would have just stayed silent, that would have been very clear then.

Kayla Moore (45:27)

Yes.

Morgan Abshur (45:27)

Yes. It's just crazy how a lot of people are like, that should be botched.

Kayla Moore (45:31)

I mean, she does keep telling her, you can leave.

Morgan Abshur (45:33)

Yeah.

Kayla Moore (45:34)

We're only gonna have one side of

Morgan Abshur (45:35)

the story, but if you leave, you're free to leave.

Kayla Moore (45:37)

Yeah. And she, Caitlyn just doesn't get up, but the investigator does say, you can leave.

Morgan Abshur (45:42)

Yeah. I just found it so interesting that a lot of people had problem with it. But yeah, not botched. No.

Kayla Moore (45:47)

That is really interesting. Well, when she's talking to Caitlin, at one point, there's a knock at the door and a detective answers and passes this investigator a note. And it says that the birth date of the theft of service warrant does not match the date of birth in their system. So the warrant is actually invalid and they have nothing to hold Caitlyn there on.

Morgan Abshur (46:11)

And that's where we get a botch.

Kayla Moore (46:12)

And you can hit that on the botchboard, because that was probably a clerical error. I'm imagining they just typed in the birth date wrong. But because of this, Caitlin Armstrong is officially free to walk out of the building. Not only she doesn't have to be interrogated, but she also can just leave because she. She's not being held on that warrant. And this is what happened after Caitlin walked out. So that night, Caitlin asked Colin whether he thought their house was bugged by police.

Morgan Abshur (46:38)

Yep. Because they came in, executed that search warrant.

Kayla Moore (46:40)

Yeah. And she thought that they maybe planted some microphones or cameras.

Morgan Abshur (46:44)

Bugged it. Yeah.

Kayla Moore (46:45)

The next morning, together, they go to a coffee shop. And when Colin pressed her for her alibi on May 11, she wrote it out for him. She said yoga and a visit to a healer. She never mentions cherrywood. She never mentions Mo.

Morgan Abshur (47:00)

Luckily, investigators don't have to wait long for another reason to arrest Caitlin Armstrong. Because soon they get clue number six. Forensics that directly connect Caitlin to Mo's murder. Circumstantial. No more. The shell casings recovered from Mo's bathroom floor go to the ballistics lab. Result, they are a significant match. Two casings fired from Caitlin's SIG Sauer P365, the gun that Colin bought her back in December. Proof that Caitlyn's gun had killed Mo Wilson. I hadn't seen a comparison up close like that, but it's almost like a fingerprint, like each gun fires in a specific way and leaves a trace on the bullet. It's such a fascinating science to me. And let's not forget, too, we have Mo's bicycle that was recovered. It was processed for DNA. Results come back. The comparison to Kaitlin Armstrong's sample is a positive match. Her DNA is on Mo's bike. So whether she made contact with the bike on the way in, or if it was in her way, as she was going to hurt Mo, or she grabbed it on the way out as, like, a final act of disrespect and terrorization. Yeah, it put her in that apartment at the time of Mo's murder. She touched that bike. It puts her at the scene of the crime.

Kayla Moore (48:26)

So on May 17, 2022, that's just six days after the murder. The Austin Municipal Court issues a murder warrant for Caitlyn Armstrong. The forensics are back, and the case they have is pretty solid. But Caitlyn is nowhere to be found, and police start scrambling for her because they need to know what she's been up to since they released her from their interrogation room.

Morgan Abshur (48:47)

Which botched how.

Kayla Moore (48:49)

That one's. Yeah.

Morgan Abshur (48:50)

How did we not have her under surveillance?

Kayla Moore (48:52)

Well, how many times have we covered, Casey? Cases, too, where people just run. The second they're released from police custody, they just run.

Morgan Abshur (48:59)

They run. And, like, I don't know if they just underestimated her because she's a woman and, like, this yogi namaste lady, but, like, you're not gonna have her surveillanced.

Kayla Moore (49:09)

Yeah.

Morgan Abshur (49:10)

You just confiscated her gun. That is the same model that you found casings at the scene. You have a very clear motive from this person. And no tail, no surveillance. Botched.

Kayla Moore (49:22)

They start looking into what she's been doing since she left. It turns out that two days after the murder, on the morning of May 13, she drove that jeep that we've talked about. The one that was seen on surveillance. Yeah, her car, CarMax. And she sold it for $12,200. Security cameras caught this entire interaction. She was even seen setting up a new iPhone while she was finalizing that paperwork. And after that, she flew from Austin to Houston to New York airport. Cameras at Austin Bergstrom Airport captured her. She has her long red hair, a backpack on, and a yoga mat over her shoulder. Her sister Christy picked her up at LaGuardia and drove her to a remote cabin about a hundred miles north of the city. And Caitlin told her that she just needed a visit. She mentioned nothing about the crime. And from that cabin, Caitlyn monitored news coverage obsessively. She saw that the reports that were talking about Colin mentioned that he had been cleared, and Austin police hadn't necessarily publicly named another suspect yet. So she was just kind of watching and waiting. On May 17, she saw that there was an arrest warrant that went public with her name on it. Chrissy came home that evening, and that's when Caitlyn told her sister that she was gonna head back to Austin. So Christy drove her to Newark Airport that next morning. Caitlyn gave her a hug, promised that she would be in touch, and she walked into the terminal. And then she called Christy shortly after to tell her she was actually, you know, what changed her mind, and she was going to drive back to Austin.

Morgan Abshur (50:48)

Which you're going to drive with what car, first of all?

Kayla Moore (50:51)

Yeah.

Morgan Abshur (50:52)

It almost, to me, seemed like she was telling her sister that. So if her sister talked to investigators, she would be like, oh, well, she was driving back.

Kayla Moore (51:00)

Yeah.

Morgan Abshur (51:00)

And then they wouldn't even look for, like, flight stuff or anything like that.

Kayla Moore (51:04)

Yes.

Morgan Abshur (51:05)

They didn't let that fool them, though, because they did Start looking for any flight records for Caitlin Armstrong. Yeah, but nothing was popping up under her name.

Kayla Moore (51:14)

Nothing popped up.

Morgan Abshur (51:15)

Even though they had her on video. They did then find her on video, but nothing under her name.

Kayla Moore (51:19)

Yeah, it's weird. They could see her in the airport, but they were like, there's no ticket that she bought. So what happened? Maybe she did leave and drive away. Yeah, well, while working with Interpol, because now they're trying to see if her passport may be pinged with her leaving the country, because they're like, of course she's not going back to Austin. She's wanted for murder. Investigators confirmed, though, that her sister Christie's passport was used at Newark on that same day, May 18th. And. But the destination was San Jose, Costa Rica, which.

Morgan Abshur (51:46)

That feels Sherlock Y like to put two and two together. We found sister's passport was used, stolen. Sister has never been charged in anything.

Kayla Moore (51:56)

So sister, she doesn't know, still to this day says she didn't know anything,

Morgan Abshur (52:00)

says it was stolen. So that feels like a big Sherlock. And then to put it together and find her. Yeah.

Kayla Moore (52:06)

And when the police showed up at Kristi's door, she cooperated fully with them. She told them that Caitlin had taken her passport. She didn't hand it over willingly. And it turns out that Caitlin had searched the cabin for her sister's passport. She found it, and she booked a flight from Newark under Christie's name. A review of Caitlin's Internet search history showed that she looked up yoga retreats, surf towns, hostel listings, but all in Costa Rica. And one location kept coming up. Santa Teresa, which is a small beach community on the Nicoya Peninsula, known among Americans for kind of like expat culture. There's also, like, yoga and surfing there. But after that, her online activity stopped. It seemed like she had installed a VPN and then went dark. And investigators may have just let their number one suspect slip out of their fingers. And across country borders.

Morgan Abshur (52:58)

Back in Austin, investigators are trying to build their case so that if they do get Caitlin Armstrong back in custody, they're just ready to go. They begin combing through mass amounts of digital information. And this is so Sherlock Y for me. And that's our seventh clue. An app called Strava. You see, they found out that Caitlin had actually been stalking and keeping tabs on MO through her Strava app. Sherlock.

Kayla Moore (53:28)

Yeah, I've always had. I mean, I don't know if any of our listeners use this app. I have friends that use it. I always gotten a bad feeling from

Morgan Abshur (53:36)

it because of Johnson uses It for marathon training.

Kayla Moore (53:39)

You can just see where people are all the time and, like, their routes that they take to run.

Morgan Abshur (53:44)

Yeah. So for those that don't know, Strava is basically a fitness tracking app. It's a place where you can actually go and record your rides, your runs. You can share them with your friends, followers. Like, I have people that use Strava, and, like, they'll compete with their friends. It's kind of like another social media for them. And so Mo posted her rides publicly, which this is kind of a standard practice for a competing athlete that's building a brand.

Kayla Moore (54:11)

She's becoming a little bit of a celebrity. Like, people want to know where she's riding and stuff.

Morgan Abshur (54:15)

I mean, this is good for sponsorships. It. It's something that isn't out of normal for someone in her position as a professional athlete.

Kayla Moore (54:24)

And she's probably not thinking that anyone is stalking her, because you never are.

Morgan Abshur (54:28)

She did not have enemies.

Kayla Moore (54:30)

Yeah.

Morgan Abshur (54:31)

Like, no. So through that, Caitlyn saw that Mo had recently completed a ride in Austin. That's how she knew Mo was in town. But that wasn't the only surveillance Caitlyn was doing. Nine days before the murder on May 2, Caitlin had logged into Collins Instagram and email accounts. Turns out she'd been running a pretty active systematic surveillance on his digital life for weeks in the lead up to Mo's arrival in Austin. And so when Mo and Colin were texting, Caitlin saw everything come through on the iPad. She had it right at home, and that's how she knew Colin was lying to her. You see, he had even told Caitlin that he's going on a solo motorcycle ride that evening, when in reality, he was out with Mo getting those burgers. And she actually did call him while he was at Pool Burger with Mo, eating. There's actually footage of them at Pool Burger showing him getting the call. He picks it up, looks at the phone, doesn't answer, puts it down. And I think at this point, she's read the iPad. She knows he's lying. Oh, you're not gonna answer my phone call? She's cracking. And at that point, investigators can kind of gather that she grabs her yoga mat, her alibi prop, gets in her car and starts heading towards the very address that Mo had texted Colin under that secret name. So at this point, investigators are really trying to narrow down Caitlin's movements. How was she stalking Mo? How did she end up from her house to Caitlin Cash's apartment that night to murder movie police? Look at her cell phone data, and they do see her head over near the apartment, but at a certain point, she either shuts her phone off or puts it on airplane mode. So investigators are like, well, how else do we trace her steps?

Kayla Moore (56:29)

Yeah.

Morgan Abshur (56:29)

How do we know where she went? And they think about the Jeep. But at this point, when investigators are putting this together, the Jeep's been sold to Carmax. The vehicle wasn't able to be located until June 23rd.

Kayla Moore (56:44)

Wow.

Morgan Abshur (56:44)

She had sold it on the 13th, like, 10 days to locate that vehicle.

Kayla Moore (56:49)

And they should know where it is. Right. If it gets sold, that feels a little botched.

Morgan Abshur (56:52)

It feels botched, especially because what happens if that car would have been factory reset? What happens if the data would have been wiped?

Kayla Moore (57:01)

Yeah. Yeah. And now you have another person's fingerprints all in there.

Morgan Abshur (57:04)

Maybe potential other DNA that they missed. It just. It could have been botched. But investigators do get the Jeep back in their possession, and that becomes clue number eight for us. Now, Detective Spitler did notice during the original search that the Jeep had a factory infotainment system. And he looked into it on his own and went to the forensic tech team and was like, does this thing collect GPS data? And they're like, yeah, it could. And so he came up with the idea that, like, okay, if I get this Jeep back and I harvest this infotainment system out of it, I can bring it back to the team and I can get the data, which I'm gonna give him a Sherlock moment there, because he seems like he was really doing that himself. He even goes on YouTube himself and figures out how to take it out of the Jeep console, like the dash console, and then brings it to the Austin PD Digital forensics team. They were able to reconstruct Caitlin's movements on the afternoon and evening of May 11th from that recovered GPS data. So, again, like, this is a pretty big Sherlock moment.

Kayla Moore (58:09)

Yeah.

Morgan Abshur (58:09)

And here is what they found specifically within that data. At 4:49pm on May 11, Mo sends Colin the Cherrywood address. Caitlin, monitoring his text through the iPad, now has it. Caitlin leaves the house and heads west towards downtown, towards Deep Eddy Pool, where Colin and Mo were swimming. Then she kind of stops and turns around and heads east, pulls into a parking lot, stops for approximately one minute. This is where her phone goes dark, almost certainly to prevent the cell tower records from placing her near the scene. But she did not realize that her Jeep was also recording all of that GPS data, too. The Jeep then drives directly to the Cherrywood address. She does not go inside immediately. This is where she is circling that block Repeatedly. And I love how Netflix puts it together. They literally just like, show her little trail, just going, going around circles. She had so much time there, so

Kayla Moore (59:09)

many talking about this. And yeah, she's just premeditating.

Morgan Abshur (59:12)

And, yeah, circling, circling. She actually is seen on this GPS data waiting at three different positions. She was very likely sitting in the Jeep and watching as Colin dropped Mo off at the base of those stairs in that alleyway. Likely saw Colin ride away on his motorcycle. And that is when, shortly afterwards, she goes in. Now, this is a massive, massive breakthrough for the investigative team. Or it would be if they had Caitlyn in custody.

Kayla Moore (59:50)

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Morgan Abshur (59:51)

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Kayla Moore (60:21)

So while all of this is going on, Caitlyn is still missing. So In June, Deputy U.S. marshals Damien Fernandez and Amir Perez travel to Costa Rica in hopes that Caitlyn's Internet searches were telling the truth.

Morgan Abshur (60:33)

Yeah, because she could have been searching Costa Rica to, like, throw them off

Kayla Moore (60:35)

as a red herring. She's clearly, like, thinking through ways that she can escape. So who knows if she's trying to throw them off? They take a big swing. They're like, we're gonna go down there. And they arrive in Santa Teresa on June 22, and they have with them photos of Caitlyn.

Morgan Abshur (60:49)

And this is something I never would have guessed, but they get there and they're like, oh, crap, we're gonna have a lot of trouble finding her. Because as they're, like, going down the streets of this city, they see, like, person after person after person that looks super similar. It's all Caitlyn White yoga ladies.

Kayla Moore (61:09)

It's like expats. It's a big expat community. So it's all just women like Caitlyn. So they start posting these photos around with as basically wanted ads. And it says armed and dangerous. And it notes that there's a $5,000 reward for any information on her. And when they're down there, they actually, there's this one female operative. Her whole job is to go to different yoga studios in the area, take Classes and look around and try to see if she can find Caitlyn, which. I want that job also.

Morgan Abshur (61:39)

That feels Sherlock. Y. Yeah. To, like, send a woman in, someone who's, like, gonna be undercover.

Kayla Moore (61:45)

Looks like. Yes.

Morgan Abshur (61:47)

It's giving Sherlock.

Kayla Moore (61:48)

But even while she's down there, she doesn't see Caitlyn. She's going to all these classes. She doesn't see Caitlyn. Then one of the deputies gets an idea. He thinks that she's maybe looking for work down there. And, you know, before she left, the investigators were pretty sure that she had access to a lot of money. There was, like, tens of thousands of dollars that had been transferred to her from Colin as, like, investment capital in their business. And that was all before the murder had taken place.

Morgan Abshur (62:13)

Yeah, I mean, their finances were so intertwined. In one article, I think they said, like, she had access to over $400,000.

Kayla Moore (62:22)

Right. So she could have just lived the

Morgan Abshur (62:24)

rest of her life, and she got $12,000 from selling her Jeep.

Kayla Moore (62:27)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

Morgan Abshur (62:29)

She got some money.

Kayla Moore (62:29)

She has some money. And so they're thinking maybe she's looking for a job not because she needs money, but maybe she's trying to set up roots in Costa Rica and is fully planning on just living her life there for the rest of her life. So what they decide to do is that coordinate with a local hostel and post an ad online saying, we're looking for a yoga instructor.

Morgan Abshur (62:48)

Again, another Sherlock moment, because that was just genius.

Kayla Moore (62:53)

A real shot in the dark to see if anyone replies. No one is biting on their ad, though, and they're about to give up and head home. This is really, like, the last thing that they're gonna do before they go home.

Morgan Abshur (63:04)

Yeah. So they actually flew back up to, like, San Jose, and they, like, kind of given up on that area down there. And they were like, nothing's shaken out. And they get one bite, and they're like, one bite. Oh, this could be her.

Kayla Moore (63:18)

That applicant's name is Ari Martin. And they're like, okay, let's look into this submission. So they go through this job application, and they find that this Ari girl is also working at Don John's Lodge. So on the afternoon of June 29, 2022, the agents walk into Don John's, which is a hostel. They go into the lobby, and they see that there's a woman sitting in the corner on her laptop. And this girl, she has darker hair than Caitlyn. It's kind of the same texture, but looking at her face, she just doesn't look like Caitlyn, but one of the guys gets a sense that it actually might be her, even though her features look a little different. Right. She has a different nose and her lips are a little fuller. But he thinks that if he goes up and he starts talking to her in English, he's going to scare her. So he's like, I'm just, I'm just going to start talking to her in Spanish like I'm a local and we'll, we'll have a conversation. So he goes up to her, starts speaking in Spanish, and she immediately goes for her phone and tries to get up a translation app. And while she's doing that, you know, he kind of leans in to start talking into the app. And he can see that around her nose is a little bit of dried blood and that there's a bandage on her nose that's still actively healing. And it looks like someone that has had a nose drop.

Morgan Abshur (64:33)

Yeah. And he could see, like her lips were super swollen, too.

Kayla Moore (64:36)

Yes. As if someone has had a little bit of work done.

Morgan Abshur (64:40)

Filler.

Kayla Moore (64:40)

And then he looks into her eyes and that's when he just knows this is Caitlyn Armstrong. They've got her. So they step outside and they get back in their car and they just call the local police. Those police swoop in and get Caitlyn. And after they have her in custody, they go into the hostel and they search her room and they find a lockbox that has only two items, and it's her sister Christie's passport and a surgery receipt for $6,350 made out to Allison Paige at the AVA Surgical center in San Jose for, you guessed it, plastic surgery.

Morgan Abshur (65:16)

Yeah, she had a few aliases, too. Allison, Ari, and I think Beth was the other one that she went by.

Kayla Moore (65:21)

Yes, yes. Down at the station. She gave another fake name to the police, but then she stopped speaking entirely. Detectives know that it is Caitlyn, and the 43 day manhunt for her is officially over. And after this, we learn a little bit more about what Caitlyn was doing down there during her hideout time. She had checked into that hostel, Don John's Lodge, under the name Ari Martin. She started working shifts at the lodge to help pay for her stay. And that's when she started looking for a more permanent role as a yoga instructor in town. She goes to the town's only bar a few nights a week, and she's social enough that she doesn't really seem suspicious.

Morgan Abshur (65:59)

No, the bartender at the place she went said, like, yeah, she was nice Seemed like she was just setting down roots.

Kayla Moore (66:05)

Everyone in the area kind of thinks she's just this typical girl that came down as an expat and is living her life.

Morgan Abshur (66:11)

Yeah. And she even said to the guy, too, when she got the surgery afterwards, he approached her and was like, oh, my gosh, what happened? And she was like, oh, I got hit in the face with a surfboard.

Kayla Moore (66:21)

And no one questioned it because that's something that would have happened.

Morgan Abshur (66:23)

He. That's what he literally said.

Kayla Moore (66:25)

Yeah. She even starts dating a local while she's down there. But then meanwhile, she's making all of those, like, little changes to her appearance in real time. She, like, cuts her hair from super long to shorter. She dyes it a dark brown from that fiery red that it is. And then she goes to that surgical center, and she pays $6,350 in cash under the name Allison Paige, and she gets a nose job, lip fillers, and a brow lift. And when the surgeon reaches for a camera because they want to take some pre op photos, she refuses. But they come to a compromise. She says she'll take photos of herself on her own phone, but after she does that, she deleted. You can see in those, like, before and after photos, she. You know, it suggested that she was trying to get the surgery to look more like her sister.

Morgan Abshur (67:11)

Yeah. And then easier to travel on her passport that she had. I also heard in. I think it was the 48 hour doc with the marshals that found her. They asked the yoga deputy that went in undercover if she would have recognized her, if she would have seen her in class. And she literally was like, no, no.

Kayla Moore (67:33)

And honestly, looking at the photos of her, I wouldn't.

Morgan Abshur (67:35)

I wouldn't have recognized.

Kayla Moore (67:36)

Her face looks totally different.

Morgan Abshur (67:38)

I. It's. It's so subtle, yet so different.

Kayla Moore (67:42)

So different.

Morgan Abshur (67:43)

I would not have recognized her.

Kayla Moore (67:44)

And I'm.

Morgan Abshur (67:45)

I'm so curious how many of you guys listening would say the same thing when you look at the side by side, before and after.

Kayla Moore (67:51)

Even the eyes. Like, when the investigator said that he recognized her eyes because of that brow lift, I thought her eyes looked totally different.

Morgan Abshur (67:57)

I mean, you can see the incision line at her scalp, like she got pulled back tight. Yeah, I thought she had a bluff, but, like, it was.

Kayla Moore (68:05)

You're, like, analyzing the type of surgery

Morgan Abshur (68:06)

she might have had. Yeah, it was like it was. I would. I truthfully would not have recognized her.

Kayla Moore (68:12)

Right. I totally agree.

Morgan Abshur (68:13)

Which is so scary and also feels like another Sherlock moment, because to just see this woman in the cafe and

Kayla Moore (68:21)

Be like, oh, no, that's her, that's her. And before long, the US Marshals close in on her. They've found their girl. Within days, Caitlyn is back on a plane to Texas, this time in handcuffs. And she arrives to reporters and cameras already waiting for her on the tarmac. And that is when Caitlyn is booked into Travis County Jail on July 5, 2022. Her bond is set for $3.5 million.

Morgan Abshur (68:45)

She ain't going nowhere.

Kayla Moore (68:45)

And at her arraignment, she enters the plea of not guilty, which is a choice. Over the next 14 months, while prosecutors build their case, Caitlyn works out obsessively in jail. She's known to like, run in place. Like, she'll just stand there and like run. And she's also doing squats and lifting, practicing yoga in her cell and jail personnel. It's so excessive that even the people at the jail are like, this is strange. Like people work out and get kind of ripped in jail, but they, this is really odd to see her just like doing her little in place runs.

Morgan Abshur (69:20)

I didn't see any videos of that and I'm, I would.

Kayla Moore (69:23)

They take a note of it and they, they just like write it down because it just is so relentless is the way they described it. It almost feels like she's preparing for something. Three weeks before her trial on October 11, 2023, she tells officials that she has a leg injury and she needs medical attention. So they arrange to transport her to a doctor's office that's off site. And now because of the reported injury, her lower body has to be left unshackled, even though her wrists are still cuffed in the front. They put her in the van, they drive her to this medical facility. They get her out of the van and she immediately books it straight across the parking lot. One correction officer trips chasing her. It's actually kind of, it's like a comedy of errors to watch them trying to get her. She's literally shackled and they are off like correction officers and they're just kind of falling over themselves trying to, to get after her. She ends up scaling the perimeter fence and gets approximately a mile before the backup that they called is able to catch her.

Morgan Abshur (70:26)

Yeah, this is definitely going on the botched board. Like, you let her get away. You weren't close enough to where she starts booking it. Like, I don't know, her legs aren't shackled. Maybe put a leash on her.

Kayla Moore (70:37)

They need to do some more like in place jogging in their own offices to like like get as get on her. She does struggle with officers on the ground, and she walks away with only a few minor injuries. But she also gets another felony charge, and that's for escape leading to bodily injury. Her trial begins on November 1, 2023, and the prosecution presents the full case. They show the doorbell camera footage and the GPS route that they reconstructed from the Jeep's infotainment center. They show the digital tracking through Strava and Collins synced accounts. They also show the ballistics match on those bullets and the DNA that's on the bicycle.

Morgan Abshur (71:13)

I mean, they have a substantial amount of evidence.

Kayla Moore (71:15)

It's a lot of stuff. They even include testimony from Caitlyn's own friends about her explicit comments and on the record threats against Mo. And it turns out that in the months between the gun purchase and the murder, Caitlyn told at least two friends separately that she was so jealous of Mo she could kill her. She told people that. And the fact, too, that her friends came forward and immediately ratted her out was, like, really great to hear.

Morgan Abshur (71:43)

I know one of the friends in the Netflix doc was like, I thought she was kidding.

Kayla Moore (71:48)

Yeah. One of her friends, Nicole, told the jury that Caitlyn directly told her she would kill anyone who started a relationship with Colin, which, I'm sorry, is loser behavior.

Morgan Abshur (72:01)

I mean, if you're this upset with

Kayla Moore (72:03)

someone that you're dating, you, like, just break up with them. The one thing I don't understand about this mindset is what does killing the romantic partner of your terrible boyfriend, like, what does that do? Is he just going to keep coming back to you because there's no one left to date, like, because you've killed them all? I just. I really don't understand it.

Morgan Abshur (72:23)

I mean, I just. I can't imagine. I can't imagine being so botched in the head that. That is your train of thought. Like, oh, I'm going to take her out once she's out of my way, then I won't have a problem. Like, no, this man has kept you as an option. He doesn't like you. If he liked you, he wouldn't treat you this way. Like, love is not manipulative, deceitful, toxic. Move on and find someone that genuinely likes you.

Kayla Moore (72:46)

You're running his company's finances, and he kicks you out of your bedroom, and you have to sleep in the guest bed in your own house.

Morgan Abshur (72:52)

You're easy to be around and convenient, and you do shit for him. That's why you're still there.

Kayla Moore (72:57)

Loser behavior. Yeah.

Morgan Abshur (72:58)

Find your person don't take out someone who's not even a threat. At this point, they were friends. Yeah, this whole fling, like, when she went to Austin, like, it was a week long.

Kayla Moore (73:08)

I know.

Morgan Abshur (73:08)

And then they were friends at this point.

Kayla Moore (73:10)

Yeah.

Morgan Abshur (73:11)

They're in the same industry. You're nuts.

Kayla Moore (73:15)

Yes. I mean, that's an understatement, but yes. The people who heard these statements all assumed that Caitlyn was just blowing off steam. It seemed like no one really took any of the things that Caitlin said all that seriously. Even though she was, like, this deep and dark, I don't think people read that on her right away.

Morgan Abshur (73:31)

She hid it very well.

Kayla Moore (73:32)

Apparently, Colin ends up testifying for eight hours over two days. There's documentary footage of this from Netflix, and also it's shown on the news. And when he's on the stand, he's slumped over the microphone, his eyes are closed. His body is always, like, angled away from the defense table. And it's often said that it was probably so that he couldn't see Caitlyn as he was doing this. Like, sometimes he'd keep his hand so he just could not see her. He, like, couldn't even look at her. And also, some of the responses that he gave were pretty confusing. Like, at one point, he's asked point blank if he knows the defendant, if he knows Caitlyn, and he says no. And Mo's mom thinks that it was him saying, like, oh, I thought I knew her, but I don't really know her.

Morgan Abshur (74:18)

Yeah, but it's still just kind of

Kayla Moore (74:19)

an odd response to give to a courtroom where everyone knows that you guys were dating.

Morgan Abshur (74:23)

Also, like, very strange under oath, like, yeah, you can't.

Kayla Moore (74:26)

You can't really just, like, answer like that. You could say, I thought I knew her, but I don't. But it just said no.

Morgan Abshur (74:32)

Now, the defense argues that Caitlyn was not a jealous girlfriend, but rather a, quote, frustrated partner who had been lied to repeatedly. The defense says that she actually fled to Costa Rica not to escape justice, but out of fear that the real killer would come for her next. They even go so far as to say that the DNA evidence had a chain of custody problem that was worth examining. They talk about how certain parts of the bike were swabbed for DNA, but not others. So they mention that, like, the frame of the bike between the handlebars and the seat was never swabbed. And the attorney that she has basically takes the bike in court and is like, here's how you pick it up. This is how you pick it up, and he's just hoisting this bike around. And Mo's dad in the Netflix doc was like, I found that so disrespectful, so sad. It was so.

Kayla Moore (75:31)

They're like, manhandling it.

Morgan Abshur (75:33)

Yeah, yeah.

Kayla Moore (75:34)

It's not sacred as it should be.

Morgan Abshur (75:35)

And it's like, okay, chain of custody. There was another profile that was found. Could have been from contamination from a detective. I mean, this bike was also thrown in the bushes. Who knows? But how do you explain away the fact that her DNA was still on that bike?

Kayla Moore (75:51)

Yeah, exactly. Come on. Yeah, sorry.

Morgan Abshur (75:53)

I'm having a really hard time being unbiased during this part for you guys. The defense does also go on to say that 30 people had the door code to her house, and any one of them could have taken the keys to her Jeep that night. They say no camera ever captured Caitlyn arriving or leaving the Cherrywood apartment. And after that case rested, the jury deliberates for two and a half hours. And on November 16, 2023, they return with a verdict. Guilty of first degree murder. Mo's family and friends cry openly in the courtroom. I mean, Caitlin Cash took the stand, and she says in the Netflix doc, like, I felt it up there. I felt Caitlin Armstrong staring at me, and I. I felt that what I was doing was the most important thing I will ever. Will ever do in my life.

Kayla Moore (76:41)

Which she's amazing in the entire documentary. She's such a good friend.

Morgan Abshur (76:45)

I literally just got the chills, like, you saying that. I'm like, it was. There's a moment in the doc, and I kept it together so well. But, like, she's like, you know, they. I also want to give them credit, like, they analyzed her as a suspect. They swabbed her hands, they took DNA from her, which. So freaking traumatic to go through that.

Kayla Moore (77:03)

Yeah.

Morgan Abshur (77:04)

But she says, like, after they swabbed, I was able to go to the bathroom, and I watched her blood come off my hands, and I just wanted it back.

Kayla Moore (77:12)

Yeah.

Morgan Abshur (77:12)

I'm like, ugh.

Kayla Moore (77:13)

And when she asks when she starts kind of panicking, and she's asking, like, is she still there? Is she alone?

Morgan Abshur (77:20)

Yeah. She's not gonna be left alone, right?

Kayla Moore (77:22)

Yeah. She's, like, worried about her friend being left alone after she's passed away, and she's like, so gut wrenching, it's just devastating. Such a good friend.

Morgan Abshur (77:30)

Caitlin Armstrong at this point is just sitting completely still, staring straight ahead, expressionless. She is sentenced to 90 years. However, under Texas law, she is eligible for parole after serving 30 years so that means her first review is for July 2052. If she does serve her full sentence, it would be until July 3rd, 2112. And I hope she's there until she dies.

Kayla Moore (77:59)

Yeah, 90 years. I mean, she's not going to be 120 years old in jail now. Mo's mom, Karen Wilson, gave her victim impact statement directly to Caitlin Armstrong. She said Mo was a caring, empathetic person and that if Caitlyn had allowed herself to actually know Mo as a human being, she never would have wanted to hurt her. Karen said, quote, when you shot Mariah in the heart, you shot me in the heart, you shot Eric and Matt in their hearts. And that's Mariah's brother and father, her father. Eric's statement was measured and deliberate. He called the case, quote, a perfect example of why integrity and honesty are crucial in our personal relationships and how dishonesty can often lead to unintended consequences. And I thought that was so perfect. And it summed up exactly how I was feeling about this case, because at the end of the day, one person pulled the trigger. That was Caitlyn. But it's hard to ignore everything that led up to it. And you know that, like, Colin didn't kill anyone. He was being, like, a bad boyfriend. You cannot go to jail for being a bad boyfriend.

Morgan Abshur (79:02)

He's being a player.

Kayla Moore (79:02)

But her father, I think, was able to kind of sum up, like, integrity in our personal relationships is important, and dishonesty can have unintended consequences. It was so measured and so beautifully said.

Morgan Abshur (79:13)

I know. I got the chills when I saw that.

Kayla Moore (79:15)

He said that there were no winners in this room. And he asked instead for prayer for their family, for their friends, and also for the Armstrong family as well, because they, you know, lost a daughter, too.

Morgan Abshur (79:26)

Yeah. And that kind of brings us to where we are. There's not many loose ends here. Except the fact that Caitlyn does keep appealing.

Kayla Moore (79:36)

Yeah. Which was something that wasn't covered in the documentary either.

Morgan Abshur (79:39)

No. So 10 days after sentencing, she actually filed for appeal. She said it was because of inadequate representation. She also had an alleged pregnancy at the time of her arrest and trigger warning. You know, for mentions of miscarriage here, her father did submit an affidavit claiming that she had likely been pregnant and miscarried in custody. There was no medical documentation or supporting details ever provided by any party. That appeal was denied. She filed again in September 2024, again challenging the DNA evidence and again raising the pregnancy claim. In January 2026, the Texas Third Circuit Court of appeals affirmed her conviction and found no reversible error. However, I imagine she'll keep trying.

Kayla Moore (80:27)

Yeah. And then there were also a couple civil lawsuits. So Mo's family filed a wrongful death suit in May of 2024, and a judge issued a $15 million default judgment after Caitlin failed to appear. Attorney Randy Howery was direct about the purpose of this. If there was ever an opportunity for Caitlin Armstrong to financially benefit from this crime. So say she got a book deal or maybe she did, like, an interview or had some media appearance and made money from it. The judgment will intercept that. So she was not gonna be able to make any money from it.

Morgan Abshur (80:59)

And this is where I need to phone Reb again, because I'm like, would the Son of Sam law prevented that, or does this just make it extra locked and airtight?

Kayla Moore (81:09)

Right. I know. I'm, like, confused about that too. There was also a second lawsuit that was filed in July of 2024, and this one was filed against Armstrong's relatives and Colin, alleging fraudulent transfer of assets. And that's because he transferred Caitlyn's family a lot of money. Yeah.

Morgan Abshur (81:25)

Because of their share of the business or something like that. And I would imagine, given the first lawsuit, any funds of Caitlyn's should have gone to most family. But again, not a lawyer. Not a lawyer. That's why we call him so.

Kayla Moore (81:41)

Yeah, wild.

Morgan Abshur (81:42)

I'm curious how that one will shake out. A lot of people ask, you know, where Colin Strickland is today. He did lose pretty much all of his sponsors except Red Bull, and then stopped racing entirely. In an interview with cycling news in June 2025, he described what the aftermath did to his relationship with the sport. Every aspect of it was just horrific and wasteful. I immediately had no interest in cycling. Everything was burning like my whole world was on fire. There's a quote here that is shared in the documentary, and I don't know. I'm gonna read it and let me know what you think about it. Quote, I regret everything. I'm ashamed of everything I've ever done. I would have never started bike racing. Not ever met Caitlyn, not ever met Mariah, not ever spoken with Mariah in private. Every single thing. Because it all led to this.

Kayla Moore (82:37)

It kind of takes me back to what Mo's dad said where just the unintended consequences of things. And, yeah, it's an unfortunate part of this case, even though, I mean, Colin wasn't the one that killed anyone, but he's definitely feeling it too, like he played some part in this to speak

Morgan Abshur (82:52)

to Mo's dad, quote, too, like, a little more integrity. And he is now just restoring vintage cars and Spartan trailers. He still rides around Austin, but hasn't competed since 2021. And, yeah, like you said, I mean, he did not pull the trigger, but he definitely created a lot of the conditions that did lead to Mo's death.

Kayla Moore (83:12)

Caitlin Cash ended up moving back into her Cherrywood apartment after the trial, and everyone who knew her thought that she wouldn't do that. But she ended up telling the Netflix documentary that she felt this really strong pull to stay. She wanted the space to feel intentional and full of life, ra rather than abandoned. And she found this print that was in a thrift store. It was a small bike riding out of frame, and there was a bloom in one corner, and the words with you all the way were written on it.

Morgan Abshur (83:37)

I got the chills when I saw this piece of art.

Kayla Moore (83:40)

I know, it's so sweet.

Morgan Abshur (83:42)

And I forget how many pieces of art that she said were in this thrift shop with this. But there was a lot of other art. And to find that piece, that's so

Kayla Moore (83:52)

just called to her.

Morgan Abshur (83:53)

I mean, it's so Mo. Like a bike halfway out of the frame of the art.

Kayla Moore (83:58)

Yeah. And the bloom, like something new being reborn.

Morgan Abshur (84:02)

When you guys see it, let me know what you think. I mean, it is just such a touching piece of art to find, and I understand why she took it as a sign.

Kayla Moore (84:10)

Yeah. Mo's brother Matt coaches young skiers at Burke Mountain Academy now, the same school where Mo trained and the same trails where she first learned what she could really do on a bike. And he named a trail there, Mariah's Ascent. And when things get hard, he thinks about what Mo would say. She would say things like, get on your bike. One step at a time. And since her death, her family has established the Mariah Wilson Foundation. Their mission is to, quote, promote healthy living and community building by supporting organizations dedicated to expanding access to recreation, sports, and educational programs. And they host an annual Ride for Mo event every May. And if this case makes you think about the patterns that preceded the murder, like a partner monitoring your location, your accounts, your phone contacts, your social media, there is the National Domestic violence hotline at 1-800-799-7233. Those patterns don't always look like what we've been taught to recognize as danger, which I think is evident in this case, but they are dangerous. Surveillance, isolation, and control are the architecture of intimate partner violence, and that is even when it hasn't turned physical. Yet if you are an athlete using public fitness tracking, you should know your privacy settings, know what you're making visible, and to whom. I know after this case, a lot of athletes started setting their Strava app to private. They didn't even realize that they were on public. I think Mo wasn't doing anything wrong. She shouldn't have had to hide at all. But you should always have the fully informed choice about who can see your data. So you should check your settings.

Morgan Abshur (85:40)

Yeah, check it out. I mean, I checked in with my husband just to make sure I'm like, like it's private. Right. And just knowing, knowing what you're sharing is, is so important. So it's one of those apps too

Kayla Moore (85:48)

where you can add someone and forget that you've had them added. So someone from like five or six years ago that you were like sharing walks with or hikes with.

Morgan Abshur (85:56)

Yeah.

Kayla Moore (85:56)

You know, that person can still see your data. So just make sure even if you are on private, you know exactly who's looking at your stuff.

Morgan Abshur (86:02)

Yeah. Close stories too, on things like Instagram. Like, oh my gosh, I'm thinking about that just now. It popped into my head. I'm like, I should check who's on my close friends.

Kayla Moore (86:09)

Yeah. Because we all post sensitive stuff like I'll post pictures of my baby and only to close friends. But you want to make sure you know exactly who those people are. Exactly. And it's easy to forget. Yeah. And with that, now we want to highlight a missing person this week.

Morgan Abshur (86:28)

This week we are highlighting Aminah and Bilal Candill. The FBI Norfolk field office is asking for the public's assistance in locating Aminah and Bilal Candill, missing from James City County, Virginia since August 29, 2014. At the time of their disappearance, Amina was 10 and Bilal was 8 years old. The national center for Missing and Exploited Children released these age progressed photos displayed here. The children were last seen on August 30, 2014 in the company of their father, Ahmed Abdullah Taha Kandil, leaving the United States on a flight from John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York. They were bound for Ukraine and Turkey. The children may be living in the Alexandria, Cairo or Giza areas of Egypt. They may also be residing in Hatay region of Turkey. Amina is described as a white female with blue eyes and brown hair. She's approximately 52 and weighed 82 pounds. Amina was born September 1, 2003 in Augusta, Georgia. Balel is described as a white male with blue eyes and blonde hair. At the time of his disappearance, he was approximately 4ft 5 inches tall and weighed approximately 55 pounds. Balel was born on January 4, 2006 in Augusta, Georgia. Their father, Ahmed Kadil, is described as a 46 year old male with brown hair and green eyes. He's 6ft tall and weighs approximately 170 to 180. He's a naturalized US citizen with dual Egyptian citizenship. If you have any information about the location of Amina and Bilal, please contact the FBI Norfolk field office at 757-455-0100 or tips.FBI.gov or you can contact the national center for Missing and exploited children at 1-800-843-5678. You can also contact your local FBI office or the nearest American embassy or consulate.

Kayla Moore (88:16)

And that is all we have for today's episode. And now we turn it over to you guys. Your thoughts, your theories. Did we get it right on the botched slash Sherlock loser behavior board this week? I know we have a lot for all of them.

Morgan Abshur (88:29)

I'm very impressed with the Sherlock's in this case. It does feel like a good change up. I know we have had a lot of botched, so I do appreciate that. And if you want to just know more about Mo and how amazing she was on the Mariah Wilson foundation website, there's a lot of different tabs about Mo. There's mail from Mo which has a couple of her blog posts with the wine recommendations. And I think it's just amazing to see her thought process and how motivated she was. And like I truly, I read some of her blog posts and these mail letters and I was like, oh my God. Like it, it changed the chemistry in my brain a little bit. Yeah, I was like it's so inspiring. The ride is May 9, so maybe a little short notice for this year but maybe you put it on your calendar for 2027. There's a ride for the kids too. Love it. It's just, it's really amazing.

Kayla Moore (89:24)

That's so cute.

Morgan Abshur (89:25)

It's amazing. They're doing amazing work to honor her, her legacy and the foundation's doing amazing work and I just, I really appreciate how involved the family was in the doc too and really just telling Mo's story.

Kayla Moore (89:39)

Definitely. I know that there, there's a lot that goes into how they caught Caitlyn but you could tell in the documentary they really wanted to focus on who Mo was and it's her story and really making it about her. And I thought it was really beautiful. Yeah.

Morgan Abshur (89:51)

Watch the doc it is. It's really powerful. And just all of her family and friends and. Yeah, it's really cool, really good, doc. But that's all we got. So until next time, guys. See ya.

Kayla Moore (90:02)

Bye.

Morgan Abshur (90:06)

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Kayla Moore (90:38)

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