Are We Into Sports?

Summary

Codependents Podcast — Episode Summary

Episode: Are We Into Sports?
Hosts: Ciara Miller & Mya Allen
Date: May 1, 2024

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Episode Overview

In this candid and lively episode, best friends Ciara Miller and Mya Allen (of Bravo’s "Summer House" fame) dive into the nuances of cultural and personal identity, the realities of sports and salaries (especially for women), and the unfiltered truths of friendship, growing up, and money. The episode is marked by the duo’s trademark self-deprecating humor, strong chemistry, and open conversations about race, work, and relationships.

The main focus revolves around identities (skin tone debates), celebrity branding (Beyoncé, Rihanna), the realities of WNBA salaries (particularly Caitlin Clark), fashion in women's sports, and societal expectations in dating, with plenty of tangents that are equal parts hilarious and insightful.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Skin Tone & Identity in the Black Community

[02:03 – 04:32]

• Ciara and Mya discuss the lack of nuance in mainstream conversations about black skin tones, especially the current internet debate about whether "brown skin" is recognized as a valid descriptor.
• Ciara shares a personal story about being challenged on describing herself as "dark-skinned."
  • Ciara: "I was like, I'm the product of two dark-skinned people. I'm dark-skinned." [03:31]
  • Mya points out how perceptions are relative—comparing oneself to lighter-skinned siblings impacts self-image.
• They laugh about seasonal paleness, tanning routines, and jokingly compare their struggles to celebrities.

2. Celebrity Branding: Beyoncé vs. Rihanna

[07:36 – 12:25]

• The duo chats about Beyoncé’s new haircare video and why her branding isn’t as relatable or successful as Rihanna's.
  • Mya: "She's not using her own products in real life. Rihanna will get in the mirror and be like, ooh, try on this new mascara, whatever. Try her products, like, every day..." [08:51]
• They speculate on why Beyoncé’s fashion and beauty lines haven’t resonated, citing accessibility, exclusivity, and lack of connection.
  • Ciara: "Everything's so exclusive, like, there’s drops. It's not accessible." [10:06]
• They brainstorm more relevant product ideas for Beyoncé (bundles, colored hair extensions) vs. what’s currently offered.

3. The Illuminati and Celebrity Culture

[12:40 – 17:15]

• The conversation takes a playful turn as they joke about Illuminati rumors surrounding celebrities, debating if fame involves making a “deal with the devil.”
  • Ciara: "They say that if you’re being accused of being in the Illuminati, your career has reached the pinnacle." [13:24]
• They riff on how these conspiracies highlight how elusive and untouchable some celebrities feel, and poke fun at wild internet theories.

4. WNBA, Caitlin Clark & The Sports Money Gap

[19:11 – 34:23]

• Talk shifts to Caitlin Clark’s viral Prada outfit at the WNBA draft and segues into a passionate discussion about WNBA player salaries.
  • Ciara: "Having a salary of $76,000...I just—$76 or $67...?" [22:45]
  • Both shocked by the low numbers, comparing rookie salaries to regular entry-level salaries and expressing frustration with gender disparities.
  • Mya: "Her four-year contract is only $338,000 for four years." [23:15]
• They compare this with the average salaries in Indiana, joke about the cost of living, and the limitations faced by pro athletes in women’s sports.
• The hosts examine the difference in media attention for white vs. Black players making similar or less money (i.e., "no one talked about A’ja Wilson’s salary until now…").
• A tangent discusses the styling and fashion of WNBA players, with Ciara pitching herself as their future stylist.
  • Ciara: "I want to start something to help them out." [21:22]
• They joke about alternative sports leagues and what counts as being a “real” professional athlete.

5. Salaries, Endorsements, and The Realities of Money

[34:24 – 45:44]

• Ciara and Mya break down paychecks, taxes, and how endorsements change the game for star athletes.
  • Mya: "Her Nike endorsement is huge. She can wear Prada all she wants…28 million over eight years." [41:17]
  • Ciara: “Let me tell you how much I would hate to show up to practice knowing I'm getting… Can you imagine even trying? That's the thing, you don’t have the athlete’s mentality.” [41:48]
• Both reminisce about their first jobs, minimum wage struggles, and the shock of seeing taxes deducted for the first time.

6. Returning to Nursing & Small Town Nostalgia

[37:00 – 39:33]

• Ciara opens up about going back to nursing after a break, sharing how weird it feels to return to a familiar workplace full of unchanged faces and routines.
• The pair discuss high school reunions, lost friendships, and navigating adulthood outside your hometown circles.

7. Dating Red Flags & First Date Questions

[47:37 – 53:07]

• The episode wraps with a segment inspired by The Shade Room: “What’s a good first date question?”
  • Ciara: "Do you have kids? Do you have gonorrhea? Syphilis, HIV?" [49:07]
  • Mya admits to deep Googling dates and debating when or if intense questions are too soon.
  • They joke about vetting men, requesting health charts, and what to ask to get real answers.
  • They touch on sentimental markers—i.e., how men treat their dogs as dating green flags.
  • Ciara: "If a man doesn’t like animals? Suspect." [52:16]
• A light-hearted, closing debate on the only right answer for best ginger ale (Schweppes vs. Canada Dry).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Skin Tone Identity:
  • "In my mind, I am a few shades darker than what is reality." — Mya [03:09]
• On Beyoncé's Branding:
  • "She doesn’t ever… She’s not using her own products… she loses that connection with her fans." — Mya [08:51]
• On Athlete Salaries:
  • "Caitlin Clark, having a salary of $76,000 for—I just… 76 or 67…" — Ciara [22:45]
  • "Her four-year contract is only $338,000 for four years." — Mya [23:15]
  • "If I was an athlete...the most exciting part of the game is my tunnel outfit." — Ciara [22:02]
• On Gender Disparities:
  • "It’s interesting we’re talking about this now… no one was talking about A’ja Wilson and what little she’s making." — Mya [25:11]
• On Endorsements vs. Salary:
  • "If a lot of brand deals are gonna come from that… honestly, that’s lunch money for her." — Ciara [42:04]
• On Dating Reality:
  • "Do you have kids? Do you have gonorrhea? Syphilis, HIV?" — Ciara [49:07]
  • "If a man doesn’t like animals? Suspect." — Ciara [52:16]
• On Small Towns and Change:
  • "Sometimes it feels like time has stood still a little bit…" — Ciara [38:38]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Introduction & Skin Tone Discussion: [02:03-04:32]
• Celebrity Branding (Beyoncé, Rihanna): [07:36-12:25]
• Illuminati & Celebrity Theories: [12:40-17:15]
• WNBA Draft, Fashion, & Salaries: [19:11-34:23]
• Money Realities & First Jobs: [34:24-45:44]
• Ciara Returns to Nursing, High School Reunions: [37:00-39:33]
• Dating Deep Dive & First Date Questions: [47:37-53:07]

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Tone, Language & Chemistry

The hosts’ natural rapport is on full display—witty, irreverent, sometimes a bit rambling, but always authentic. They intuitively balance serious commentary (on race, money, and career frustration) with playful banter and inside jokes. They often self-correct or circle back to complete thoughts, keeping the conversation genuine and relatable for listeners.

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For New Listeners

This episode serves as a showcase for Ciara and Mya’s signature blend of honesty, humor, and thoughtful insight. If you haven’t listened, you’ll come away with a strong sense of their personalities, their friendship, and their willingness to tackle real-life issues—particularly around identity, women’s empowerment, money, and modern dating.

Though they don’t dive deeply into stats or technicalities of sports, their commentary centers on representation, class, and how money influences everything from career choices to fashion to romance.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Sierra]

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[Paige]

Stalked her. Like, you know,

[Sierra]

not a light stalk. Yeah, like OJ stalking, which persistence overcomes resistance. I mean, we. There is a fine line between being persistent, you know, and creepy. Okay, lovely. Love it. I mean, well, hey, guys. Welcome to another episode. Which camera am I looking at today? Okay, four. Got it.

[Paige]

It's a good question.

[Sierra]

Yeah. I'm looking like a. I look like a soccer mom today. I got my airport outfit on. I got a bang. I'm so pale. How was Kirasau?

[Paige]

I don't think you look pale, but you're always brown.

[Sierra]

I am so pale. Did you see how they are saying, like, brown skin's not a thing?

[Paige]

What? What do you mean by that?

[Sierra]

This has, like, been a debate online. Maybe Twitter, but I'm not on Twitter, so it's like rolling over.

[Paige]

Brown skin is not a thing.

[Sierra]

Like, dark skin exists, light skin exists, but brown skin's not a thing.

[Paige]

Well, what would you be?

[Sierra]

Okay, I feel like. Have you talked about this before? But I've always said my perception of myself, which I did get into it with a guy one time who was half black. Let me disclose that he was half black. But I did get into an argument with him because I brought it up like, oh, like they never have shades for like dark skinned girls. And he was like, oh, like do you think that you're dark skinned? And I said, yeah, I do.

[Paige]

Oh, okay. So you think you're dark skinned?

[Sierra]

I did. I do.

[Paige]

I don't think you're dark skinned.

[Sierra]

Yeah, he said the same thing. He was like, you're brown skin.

[Paige]

You are brown.

[Sierra]

And I said, I was like, but here's the thing.

[Paige]

I think I'm darker than I really am. Like you, I think you know this about me. In my mind I am a few shades darker than what is reality. So I, I feel like it's probably just the same thing applied to you.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Paige]

So you just think you're a little darker than you.

[Sierra]

I, in my head I'm like. And because my sister was so light,

[Paige]

so comparatively, I would never call you dark skinned.

[Sierra]

I really, I almost feel like I am in the cat. I. Which I'm fine with. I love it, I don't care. But I don't even think I realized it until I said it aloud and someone was like, no, but also my parents are dark skinned. So I was just like, okay, I'm the product of two dark skinned people. I'm dark skinned.

[Paige]

I mean looking at you now and I always kind of put you and my sister in the same like skin type tone category. But I feel like you are looking a little fair compared to her right now.

[Sierra]

Oh girl, please don't zoom in because oh, this lighting is actually.

[Paige]

Maybe, maybe you need to go to Curacao.

[Sierra]

I, I'm going to California in a couple days. It's not the same with the sun. Right? The sun. I'm just like looking for sunshine.

[Paige]

That's true.

[Sierra]

Cuz I am like o. I see myself on a FaceTime and I'm like, oh.

[Paige]

I mean I get that, like, I get that backlash sometimes when I see myself I'm like, oh girl. Like, yeah, bright so bad. Yeah, like I'm bright.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Right now I have a little melanin.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Because you were out on the.

[Paige]

But the thing is I can't sun the way that I used to. Like, I used to be so dedicated to my tan that I would be able to just like sit out 7, 8am through like 4 o'.

[Sierra]

Clock.

[Paige]

One maybe little break for lunch or something. You was just getting your water. You're sitting in the, in the ocean like you're fine. This time around it was like two hours out and I was done.

[Sierra]

You're like, exhausted.

[Paige]

Like.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Paige]

I would go to bed every night at 9:00'. Clock.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Couldn't even keep my eyes open. Like, couldn't. My mom one time was like, do you want to go get another drink at this, like, happening place? I was like, sure. We get there. I was like, we have to leave.

[Sierra]

Like, I'm gonna fall asleep right now.

[Paige]

I can't be here. Like, the Kevin Hart. Have you seen the video of Kevin Hart in the club with Usher? No. There's a viral video going around. It's Kevin Hart, Usher and Lotto. They clearly were promoting something. But they're all in the club.

[Sierra]

Lotto's, like, promoting.

[Paige]

Usher's clearly on one.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Paige]

So he's like, I feel like he

[Sierra]

could have a good time anywhere at any time.

[Paige]

I've been having a lot of feelings about Usher recently, actually. But we can save them. I just feel like Usher's not as cool as I grew up thinking he was.

[Sierra]

Well, I don't think that anybody that, like, we idolize is as cool as we think that they are.

[Paige]

Sure, sure, sure. But, like, sure, sure, sure.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Paige]

But I feel like there's, like, an element of corniness to Usher that, oh, for sure not recognize until it was almost like. It was kind of like the super bowl was my awakening in a way. And I don't know why, because I. I do really think he did a good job.

[Sierra]

Well, that's like actors, I always say, like, nobody wanted. I mean, like, there were people who joined the drama club, but we know that, you know, who joined the drama club and, like, were thespians and, like, proclaimed, like, that group in high school, which. It's fine, whatever.

[Paige]

No, it's.

[Sierra]

I mean, well, but like, you know, like, when I think actors are so hot, I'm like, maybe he's like, kind of like corny in person. Because, like.

[Paige]

Well, I think there's still.

[Sierra]

Actors are just very clear on millions of dollars.

[Paige]

We don't respect men in the arts, perhaps, or isn't the right word? But there's no.

[Sierra]

Yeah, maybe not respect.

[Paige]

What we don't have. There's. It's. It's rare that we're attracted to a man in the arts.

[Sierra]

You know, I'm just gonna say that we're guarded. Regarded. We're guarded. We're not completely eliminating them. Because then there are the guys that are covered in tattoos and, like, are tattoo artists or whatever. And I'm like, so you're a different type of man in the arts. Like, you fall into a different category.

[Paige]

You get Away with a little bit more is what it comes down to. Perh.

[Sierra]

I'm so proud. But anyway, because we segued hard, but actually, it's. We missed it. It's over.

[Paige]

Well, I'm just struggling with Usher, and I just feel like it's not the same.

[Sierra]

Like, and you can't sit out in the sun like you used to, and

[Paige]

I can't sit out in the sun like I used to. And I just feel like vacation really just needs to be, like, two hours in the sun a day now. Like, I'm that a day. Yeah.

[Sierra]

Okay. In the city and.

[Paige]

Sure.

[Sierra]

Yeah. No, whatever you need.

[Paige]

Yeah, like, whatever it is. Okay. I. I've been having some thoughts I want to talk a lot about or I want to talk about Beyonce's video that just dropped of her hair.

[Sierra]

That bitch got good. Not do that. Let me not do that. But wow, I'm impressed.

[Paige]

Were you surprised?

[Sierra]

Not surprised, But I'm like, damn, I need to be wearing wigs more.

[Paige]

I don't know. That's the solution. I do feel like I have seen your natural hair, and it's a very different curl pattern than what we saw on that curated video.

[Sierra]

Oh, you said you saw her hair before.

[Paige]

No, I'm talking about yours. I'm comparing your hair.

[Sierra]

Oh, okay.

[Paige]

To hers, I don't think.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Like, I don't have that soft of correct.

[Paige]

So, like, you could wear wigs all you want. I still don't think it's going to happen like that.

[Sierra]

I mean, ouch.

[Paige]

It's not gonna look the way that hers comes out, but.

[Sierra]

No, I mean, yeah, I would never expect that. That. I mean, we just don't have the same texture of hair.

[Paige]

But, like, did it make you want to buy her products?

[Sierra]

No.

[Paige]

Do you think you would ever. Like, I don't want to buy her products either, and I'm like, one of her. I feel like I'm a big fan.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Why. Why do you think that is? First off, I feel like I feel

[Sierra]

like she needed that video because, like, they always.

[Sydney Battle]

People.

[Sierra]

When people talk about her branding, they always say, like, her branding doesn't do as well as Rihanna's. It doesn as well as, like, other celebrities with hair lines, makeup lines, because she doesn't ever. She's. She's not using her own products, and she's not doing, like, real life in the moment. Like, Rihanna will get in the mirror and be like, ooh, try on this new mascara, whatever. Try her products, like, in every day, and she loses that connection with her fans. Because she's so hard to get to know personally.

[Paige]

But even when Beyonce was dropping products, like, before the age of. Before, social media was, like, very much a thing. But she would have her perfumes. She had her clothing brand, which was like, trash.

[Sierra]

House of Darium.

[Paige]

Yeah. Which don't feel like that's more. I had Tina from there. But, like, she.

[Sierra]

Yeah, but like, in connection. Yeah.

[Paige]

She was still the one promoting it. She was still the face of it. I think that Sacred is also more of Tina's than it is Beyonce's. Like, I don't think Beyonce needs to be creating products like that unless she's trying to create some sort of, like.

[Sierra]

Right.

[Paige]

More generational wealth. Right. But I don't feel like anything she's ever put out has been like, other than her music and her.

[Sierra]

Right.

[Paige]

Like, who she is as a performer has ever really hit. Even Ivy park didn't really hit and she tried.

[Sierra]

Everything's so exclusive, though. Like, there's drops. Like, it's not. It's hard. It's not accessible. Readily accessible to that fan base. And there's literally no connection with it. Like, are we seeing her rocking it all the time when she's out? Are we seeing other celebrities?

[Paige]

I've never seen her out.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Like, we.

[Sierra]

She's such a. Like, she's a guarded celebrity, which.

[Paige]

Oh, my God.

[Sierra]

By all means, I totally get it. But, like, I don't know. It is.

[Paige]

I feel like. Because people don't feel like they actually know her. They don't want to buy her products.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Because I do think you have to, like, build a community.

[Paige]

Yeah. I mean, I feel like I learned more about her personality, even though it was, like, such a snippet of it by listening to the voice over that she had to take the time to do. And it was like, clearly her putting some personality into it. I know a lot of people also, like, hate on her for saying she doesn't have a personality. I feel like that's a big.

[Sierra]

Well, we just don't know.

[Paige]

We just don't.

[Sierra]

She lives incognito, so we don't really know. But I guess when you're that famous,

[Paige]

I mean, I don't. I respect everything she does. I. I would not want to go around.

[Sierra]

Let me tell you. If she put out some bundles, I'm buying them, though. If she put out a wig line,

[Paige]

I make more sense. She put out. I don't know why we're not doing that.

[Sierra]

She could put out some hair dye and I might look at that a couple Times I actually think hair DY makes sense.

[Paige]

Like more than just caring for the natural hair. It's like, yeah, what are you. What clips are you using? Clearly you're using clip ins. Now that we see what your, like, scalp looks like.

[Sierra]

I think she's still wearing full lace wigs. But like, if she put out all of them clip in line, a wig line especially, like some type of extension of some sort that's colored. Like kind of like in that same wheelhouse that she wears her hair. Oh, my God.

[Paige]

Because there aren't even really a lot, like, hair bundles don't come colored.

[Sierra]

No, honey, I'm so tired of one B. I. Drives me nuts. Or like that blonde. Blonde, Blonde. Yeah. And I'm like, okay, which, like, who

[Paige]

can actually wear that?

[Sierra]

I guess the point is for you to dye it down or dye it, you know, a different color, but with

[Paige]

bundles already being so expensive. Or it's just like, maybe it's the allure of like, hey, I want. Yeah, this is like the color that like Beyonce wears. Honeybee. I see it now.

[Sierra]

Yeah, perfect. Should we email her?

[Paige]

Yeah, I'm sure she'll get.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I'm like, how do we get in contact with her people? That'll be. That'll take a five year long process. Right.

[Paige]

I feel like she doesn't see anything. Like, I wonder how people. One, she follows one. Her husband. Does he even post?

[Sierra]

He like, just made that Instagram. Do you believe in the Illuminati?

[Paige]

I don't know enough, but I do feel like there is.

[Sierra]

Would you sell your soul?

[Paige]

Would I sell my soul? I don't know what I'm saying.

[Sierra]

Would you make a deal? Would you make a deal?

[Paige]

Maybe Tell me what you think the Illuminati is.

[Sierra]

I don't know, they like sell their

[Paige]

soul to the devil a little bit and you're. That's all you got?

[Sierra]

Yeah, that's all I got. No, literally, it's real simple. It ain't nothing. There's nothing.

[Paige]

What's the purpose of selling your soul to the devil?

[Sierra]

Fame and fortune and, you know, all of that.

[Paige]

Okay, so who. Who has been rumored to be in the Illuminati?

[Sierra]

Of course. Jay Z and Beyonce.

[Paige]

Correct. Like, who else, though?

[Sierra]

Taylor Swift.

[Paige]

Okay, I guess here's my question, Ariana. In this club, in this Illuminati club, are they cool with each other?

[Sierra]

They say that if you're accusing of being. If you're being accused of being in the Illuminati, your career has reached the pinnacle of like, you're doing really well in your career.

[Paige]

Okay, but are they like, do they have some sort of bond with each other? Are there meetings? Like, are they selling their self to this individual devil and then they.

[Sierra]

Oh, like, is it a membership?

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Like, are they having monthly meetings?

[Paige]

I'm not saying monthly. I'm sure they're busy. But like, is there camaraderie there with the Illuminati? Is that what's suggested or.

[Sierra]

No, you know, no, I don't think everyone in the country club gets along.

[Paige]

Got it. So who else is in the Illuminati? I don't know. Who do you think? Beyonce, Jay Z, Taylor Swift, and Rihanna.

[Sierra]

Who are some other famous people?

[Paige]

I thought Kanye west was, you know

[Sierra]

what about probably, yeah, some of these people is Trump in the way who know. You know what? I don't even think they take even him.

[Paige]

Really? The devil don't want Trump.

[Sierra]

There's a special hole from him somewhere.

[Paige]

So what do you do? You have a little conversation with the devil. You're like, hey, what's up?

[Sierra]

I think it's much more like real world. Like you meet a certain person. Like, I think it's like the devil in disguise type of.

[Paige]

You know, you would think that we're high right now. This conversation is wild.

[Sierra]

Is this like a high conversation? Yeah, yeah. It's like a devil in disguise. Like, the devil never presents how you. He never shows up how you expect him to.

[Paige]

Okay.

[Sierra]

He doesn't show up in red horns. All right, Red suit.

[Paige]

I follow you there.

[Sierra]

Yeah. So he shows up as your best friend. He shows up as your. Yeah, he shows up as like someone very close to you. He shows up. He shows up to you in a different way that you would almost not. It's unsuspecting.

[Paige]

Okay, and then what happens? How do you end up selling? Like, what? I thought you were about to show us something.

[Sierra]

Oh, no, literally, I'm itching myself. What do you think this is a two bit show at 2pm I was

[Paige]

genuinely like, are you gonna put on a card? So what's the devil do they say?

[Sierra]

No, I just think that they, they build a rapport with you. They have a relationship with you in a certain way and like, you know, it's nothing that you would ever suspect. And then they wreak havoc on your life.

[Paige]

Okay, okay. And by keeping this person in your life, you're allowing the devil in and then you become famous.

[Sierra]

Well, I think, like, things start to happen and you like, realize like, this person is not who they present or who they Say they are. And then, like, maybe you do find yourself in special dealings with this person, like in per. In regards to the Illuminati. Maybe it is like a. Hey, like, maybe it's like an agent situation, manager situation. They're like, oh, they're like, you know, if you do A, B and C, we can guarantee you. I think they're guaranteeing you maybe like some success. I don't know.

[Paige]

Okay.

[Sierra]

I've never been. I haven't been approached yet. I'm obviously not doing that well in my career yet.

[Paige]

All right. Yes.

[Sierra]

But, yeah, no, Leo, we still have room.

[Paige]

Yeah, yeah. Okay. So you believe in. So I'll say you believe in the Illuminati,

[Sierra]

perhaps? Yeah, maybe. Yeah, I believe something crazy like that exists. Yeah, I don't think that that's far fetched. Yeah.

[Paige]

So what happens if, like, this is my last question on this. Okay. This wasn't planned. But what happens for, like, Blue Ivy, for example?

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Is she born into it automatically or does she then have to have that separate talk with the devil?

[Sierra]

I don't know.

[Paige]

Okay.

[Sierra]

If kids get, like, their own membership,

[Paige]

like, asap, and Rihanna's kids, like, Rihanna's in it asap. Probably not.

[Sierra]

Yeah. I don't know. Well, I don't know for sure if these people are in it, but, like, look, honestly, just something I think about late at night.

[Paige]

Is there anything else that you think about you want to get off your chest?

[Sierra]

No. All right.

[Paige]

I want to talk about.

[Sierra]

No, to be fair. To be so fair. I just worked for 12 hours shifts, so I'm a little delusional.

[Paige]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sierra]

I'm a little sleepy. Okay.

[Paige]

All right. I wanted to get into. That was just such a wild.

[Sierra]

Yeah, that was.

[Paige]

I wasn't expecting that from you. See, felt.

[Sierra]

It felt natural, though.

[Paige]

Different. It felt different. Okay.

[Sierra]

Okay. Natural. And like, I brought it up natural, not like, you know, whatever.

[Paige]

No, no, you haven't been sitting on it, I don't think.

[Sierra]

No, no.

[Paige]

Okay. But. And also, just to close one more circle here, back to the debate on brown skin. We now. Brown skin doesn't exist.

[Sierra]

Is also allegedly.

[Paige]

And who is claiming this white people are black people or other people?

[Sierra]

I'm gonna get back to you. I don't really know.

[Paige]

Okay. I just want to know, like, what to expect because what, What. What's to say for them?

[Sierra]

Like, what the people in the middle.

[Paige]

Correct. Sibling fights are unavoidable.

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[Paige]

Okay, I want to talk about Caitlin Clark and her salary. Do you know what that is?

[Sierra]

The. Is she the. Okay, this is gonna sound super dumb, but she wore this Prada look to the WNBA draft.

[Paige]

I have no idea what she wore. I will Google if she wore Prada.

[Sierra]

Yeah. To the WNBA draft. It was like a white, like a jacket and a skirt, and then she wore these, like, flats.

[Paige]

Okay, this is. I never even thought about what she. Okay, yes, she was in white. She was. It was a viral product.

[Sierra]

Yes, Yes, I know who.

[Paige]

Caitlyn, do you know anything other than her product look, do you know where. She was wearing the look to the WNBA draft? Okay, great. Cool. So we. She's a basketball player.

[Sierra]

Yes, we get that she's a basketball player. Can't tell you what school.

[Paige]

But talk about this look real quick. Do you like this?

[Sierra]

You know. You know what? I actually do have some thoughts about the WNBA draft. Okay. Obviously, these women are amazing athletes. They're amazing women, period. But the looks are just disappointing. And, like, just.

[Paige]

Why was this viral? Was it viral because it's bad?

[Sierra]

I think it's because it's Prada.

[Paige]

Okay.

[Sierra]

And maybe they. People didn't expect her to come with Prada, you know, because.

[Paige]

What, like, don't they all. I'm.

[Sierra]

I don't know.

[Paige]

They all get stylists.

[Sierra]

Well, I mean, if she's coming in pra. I mean, if she's being dressed by Prada, that's amazing. But, I mean, let's compare this product look to her salary. Okay.

[Paige]

Right. Okay, let's start about the looks first. Who else. What other looks stuck out to you that you want?

[Sierra]

All of them, because they were all

[Paige]

awful and you didn't. There's not one woman that you feel like could dress.

[Sierra]

No, I really think that there should be an avenue of Styling people for, you know, NB, WNBA players because. And here's the thing. Like, sometimes they're tall. It's probably really hard to find clothes that can accommodate tall women and they get the proper sizes. But like, I think I'm going to. I'm. I want to start something to help them out.

[Paige]

You want to help them?

[Sierra]

I want to help because you're.

[Paige]

But I don't think really a lot of NBA players can dress either. To be fair, I feel like when I'm watching, they're like the guys like the Celtics player when they come in on the JetBlue Runway before every game and photographed. I don't know. I do know that some of them get styled. I don't know if all of them get styled.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Paige]

But even like some of the styling choices, I'm like, this just is so out there. Like you just.

[Sierra]

But I feel like it's a chance for them to express themselves, explore, see what works, what doesn't. Like, that's a good. Like. Oh my God. If I was an athlete, that would be. Well, I probably wouldn't like, find both of them entertaining. Like basketball mom. I don't know. I feel like I would have to pick one, but I would be looking mainly forward. I would mainly be looking forward to my looks before the game, which is like not the mind of an athlete. Job and be a model, which is not the mindset of an athlete. But neither here nor there. But that would be the most exciting part of the game. Is like my airplane outfit or my like tunnel outfit.

[Paige]

You'd make sure you looked good before every.

[Sierra]

Every game. And so I do realize maybe they just don't have the same passion for fashion. Not that I have like an insane passion for fashion, but like, you know, you look good, you feel good, you play good. All right.

[Paige]

I feel you on that. I feel the look good, feel good, play good.

[Sierra]

But Caitlin Clark, having a salary of $76,000 for I just. 76 or 67.

[Paige]

It was 76.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Paige]

A year. Granted, she's going to get lots of endorsements, but I just feel like at this point, like, so, yeah, her first year. 76,000, 535.

[Sierra]

Okay. What's their second year?

[Paige]

78.

[Sierra]

76. 78. Oh my God. That is $2 on a paycheck.

[Paige]

Exactly.

[Sierra]

Maybe even less.

[Paige]

Her four year contract is only $338,000 for four years.

[Sierra]

She's gonna make over three. She will make $338,000.

[Paige]

Correct.

[Sierra]

Because I can't do that math fast in my Head. Okay, so this girl. What state are we living in?

[Paige]

She's going to Indiana.

[Sierra]

Oh, well, that'd be fine. In Indiana, do you think?

[Paige]

I feel like eggs cost $10. How are you gonna buy anything but that?

[Sierra]

Not in India.

[Paige]

She needs a chef. She needs a trainer. She needs, like, a chef. Yeah. Was she gonna have to cook for herself?

[Sierra]

Okay, that's true.

[Paige]

When she's training, I feel like all athletes need someone to cook for them.

[Sierra]

Wait a minute. So where's Indiana? What's in Indiana?

[Paige]

I don't know what the medium.

[Sierra]

Indianapolis.

[Paige]

Correct. I don't. I don't know what the medium.

[Sierra]

The Indy 500,

[Paige]

bro. You with no sleep is my favorite. Sierra. It's better than singing Sierra because you're on one.

[Sierra]

I'm just like, what the Is in Indiana?

[Paige]

What are you trying to Google?

[Sierra]

I'm. I'm in Googling Indiana, and I'm Googling. What? Like. Like the average salary. Oh, median.

[Paige]

That's beautiful.

[Sierra]

Media. So do think if she.

[Paige]

But they're also saying she's making 76% of. Or it's 76% of her NBA male counterparts. Why, like, do people just not watching at wnba?

[Sierra]

Yeah, like, well, they get. So guys get paid so much because obviously there's. I mean, male sports is obviously a bigger deal than women's sports, and that shows in ticket sales and merch and.

[Paige]

But I do believe that Caitlin Clark will generate a big, good amount of buzz for her home team. I do think she will have people that are selling their. Like, I think.

[Sierra]

But is it enough to supplement her. Her salary alone? And also in perspective, the entire wnba? She can't support the entire WNBA system.

[Paige]

No, I mean, absolutely. It's interesting that we're talking about this now, I think. I mean, obviously, Caitlin Clark is such a big name these days, but this was happening in the WNBA before, and no one cared about. Right. Like, no one was talking about Aja Wilson and, like, what little she's making.

[Sierra]

And we know. We know that. We know.

[Paige]

We.

[Sierra]

We know. Nobody turns ahead until it happens to certain someone. We know.

[Paige]

Right.

[Sierra]

But just in case y' all were curious, the average Indiana salary is 57,000, but really, it says 36, 35,000.

[Paige]

So which one is it? Sierra.

[Sierra]

According to us today, the average annual salary in Indiana in 2023 was $57,000.

[Paige]

The average annual salary. That's the average. So she's only making 20,000 more than the average. And she's a professional athlete who was like. I mean, I guess if it was her, like, Rookie year. She had no stats. Like, no one knew her name.

[Sierra]

But you have to know this going into the wnba, and that to me feels like a deterrent. And what you're gonna.

[Paige]

But which is it? Is there.

[Sierra]

No, but it is higher than like a year because she's coming out of college. She's 21, 22. Do they go through all four years of college to go to the WNBA or. You don't have to.

[Paige]

It's a choice. And I. And I'm pretty sure she was given a choice to go to Iowa for an additional year because of COVID but I don't know if she'd have to also still go to school.

[Sierra]

Right.

[Paige]

I'm not sure how that works.

[Sierra]

Damn. I had a point. Okay. Sorry. What? I got it back now. Okay, so she's graduating from college. She is making more than an entry level salary.

[Paige]

Is she?

[Sierra]

Yeah. Entry levels. Like. Like 35, $40,000 entry level.

[Paige]

I feel like we might be out of touch on that. I can't imagine it's that low these days.

[Sierra]

Well, that's what it was for you. What did I graduate from college, like, five years ago? So for me, I'm lying. For. It wasn't for.

[Paige]

I graduated a long time ago and. Or let's see. I graduated in 24. I've been out of college.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Paige]

10 years.

[Sierra]

Okay, so in 2024, entry level salary in the United States is $35,000 a year or 16 an hour. That's less than like, entry level starts at $29,000, but with the cost of

[Paige]

housing, like, how does any.

[Sierra]

Well, we never said it had to match.

[Paige]

Sure, but you have to be living in poverty to be making.

[Sierra]

Well, that's why everyone is so upset is because we don't. There's. Jobs aren't paying enough to sustain what it costs to live. The cost of living is so high. And obviously we're. Are we still in a recession?

[Paige]

I don't know. I feel like we are.

[Sierra]

Okay, well, not that I even really know what the fuck that is entirely.

[Paige]

Did you take a pill before coming here?

[Sierra]

No, because now I'm thinking back. Oh, 2000. Because 2008 was the last recession. Something. Well, all I know is that the housing prices are high and the interest rates are high.

[Paige]

This is true. I mean, I feel I.

[Sierra]

Gallon of milk is high.

[Paige]

I pay more than that average annual starter salary on rent alone.

[Sierra]

Yeah. And in. Damn sure. In New York, so. And then the minimum wage in the United States is 15. Well, I don't know. It's State by state.

[Paige]

It's. It is state.

[Sierra]

Okay, so like 15 an hour. But some people are trying to move that to like $20 an hour.

[Paige]

Seen up, like, I've seen $20 floating around recently.

[Sierra]

You ever had a minimum wage salary or a minimum wage job?

[Paige]

I don't think so. I don't think so. I'm trying to think, like, when I was, like, working at. There was like, a restaurant that I was working out of, and I feel like there we were making so little because we survived on tips.

[Sierra]

Right.

[Paige]

But I don't think it was minimum wage still.

[Sierra]

No, I feel like service industry, you can definitely count. I mean, technically, because service industry is

[Paige]

even lower because you are surviving on your tips.

[Sierra]

Yeah, no, that don't count. Okay. Because I worked at Hollister when I was like, 16, 17, and I was making 7. 25 an hour.

[Paige]

Please tell me what. Please tell me that your job was folding clothes.

[Sierra]

Yep, sure was.

[Paige]

Is that why you don't do it now?

[Sierra]

Yeah. Well, that was where my hate grew and really began and grew because you had to line up those fucking edges and all the stickers and, like, there's a certain folding method and you gotta tuck and roll. I hate.

[Paige]

So do you remember what your paychecks looked like? What was the point?

[Sierra]

Oh, my God. Okay. I still remember the shock because. Okay, because there's a different phases of my life where I, like, received a paycheck. And I was like, this can't be right. This can't be right. So when I got my first job at Hollister, I was like 16, 17, so excited to have that job, getting paid 7.25 an hour. I remember I'd go to the food court, you know, on my lunch break, go get some Taco Bell or like, how do you say that? Pizza place. That's S B A R O R O Sbarro. A R R. Sbarro. Sbarro.

[Paige]

It's. Can I just say quickly that my dad thinks that Paige's last name is Sbarro.

[Sierra]

So when he brings up dyslexic, which is fine. Cause me too, right?

[Paige]

But, like, he'll be like, how's Paige Sbarro? And every time I'm like, who? That's not her name.

[Sierra]

Maybe we should, like, write it down for him.

[Paige]

I mean, you could just Google it. But

[Sierra]

so, yeah, I would go and get like a little piece of pizza. Pizza. Or go get some Taco Bell. And my total be like $10. And I'd be like, damn. I had to work an hour and a Half for this pizza. Pizza or this Taco Bell.

[Paige]

I actually need to put that mentality back into my spending.

[Sierra]

Yeah, that'll fix you, I think, I

[Paige]

think it could help for sure. Because when you used to think about this is a full hour of my time. Like, yeah, is it worth it?

[Sierra]

Right? Yeah. So then I would get my paycheck and they had taken taxes out of it. And I remember I worked like maybe you know, 30 hours, one week, and my paycheck was 200 and something dollars. And I was like, mom. I remember I was like mom. And in my head, you know, you know at every job once they tell you the little rate you go in your calculator and you just start click clacking away.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

And you're like, because you're like, okay, if I work this much, that means that's gonna be, it's going to be this much. And then. And I'm like, where the is the rest of the damn money? My mom's like, oh hahaha taxes.

[Paige]

Isn't it funny that adults laugh at you?

[Sierra]

Yeah, laugh in my face. And I was like, first of all, rude. Second of all, why are we taking Social Security out? I'm 16. What does that have to do with me? So then when I started working at the hospital, started working at the hospital, not minimum wage, but my first job that I was making was like, I'm thinking $30 an hour, which I don't even know what that comes to out per year. But with shift diff, you know, you get extra $2, $3, $5. I think shift differential, you could probably earn up to like 7, $8 at this particular hospital that I was working at. Anyway, I get my first paycheck and I was flabbergasted at the amount of taxes taken out of it. It's still hurts my soul. I was like, what the is actually happening here? But granted, I was making more than an entry level position. Like, and some of my friends were working on entry level salaries and I was probably making maybe like 20 grand more than them. But still I was like, this hurts. Hurts. So that's true.

[Paige]

We didn't, I didn't even think about taxes with Caitlyn Clark. In my mind, she was walking away

[Sierra]

with that full and in my mind crazy. Whatever price you tell me is what I'm always walking away.

[Paige]

That's just where my mind, that's how

[Sierra]

money operates in my head until I see that taken out and I'm like, okay, wait a minute. Yeah, yeah.

[Paige]

So she's making minimum wage.

[Sierra]

Like, she's close to maybe in the 50s.

[Paige]

She's probably going to be in the 50s. Obviously, she's already getting endorsements. But then they were saying that, like, Ice Cube was offering her because, you know, Ice Cube has a little league. You didn't know Ice Cube has a league? I think it's called Big Three. Is it called Big Three? It's called Big Three, and I don't really know how it's funded. I really don't know.

[Sierra]

So what did he offer her? If we don't know how it's.

[Paige]

He offered her $5 million.

[Sierra]

I'm going to play in that league. I'm going to play in that league.

[Paige]

I don't know. I know that the Big Three is, like, doing well as a men's league. I don't know what their options are with women if they have other, like, heavy hitters that are doing this. But I'm like, why does Ice Cube have money that the WNBA does not?

[Sierra]

That's a good question. Also, like, how sustainable are we talking sports? Are we a sports podcast now? Like, how sustainable do we think that these, like, you know, I want to call them alternative leagues are. Because if it's not the NFL, NBA.

[Paige]

I was just thinking about this because

[Sierra]

it's like, remember xfl and, like, no, I don't.

[Paige]

But when men put on their dating profiles at their professional athletes, literally.

[Sierra]

Okay, now we bring it back to

[Paige]

who we are, not in, like, the actual leagues.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Paige]

I think of if you're not in the NFL, the NBA, the N, lb,

[Sierra]

mlb, lb, it's like, it's the lb,

[Paige]

the mlb, the NHL, then you are not a professional athlete in my eyes.

[Sierra]

Yeah. No, I don't. You played overseas. I. Unless it's soccer, I don't really care.

[Paige]

I don't. Okay, soccer. I will give it to you. Like, and you need to be calling it football at that rate.

[Sierra]

Yeah, football.

[Paige]

But otherwise it's a no for me.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Unless you're also. You play. No. Even then I'm like, but come on, don't tell me about your little overseas basketball career. Unless you're coming back over here and then playing in the NBA.

[Paige]

Well, chances are the guys that you do end up giving a chance to that say they're professional athletes are always like, yeah, don't worry. I'm gonna go back to the league. Like, next year never happens. It's like 10.

[Sierra]

Okay. How do you feel about, like, got.

[Paige]

Okay.

[Sierra]

Because the MLB is kind of structured. It's like aaa, double A, then the or they're like minor leagues, and then there's major leagues.

[Paige]

NBA is has that as well. And, like, people on the Celtics roster daily are sent to the G League, and then they'll just post like, we sent so and so to the G League. Then they come back. If they do well that day, it's like back and forth things.

[Sierra]

Oh, interesting.

[Paige]

Which would up my ego as a player. Like, oh.

[Sierra]

I mean, that would you.

[Paige]

Because I feel like you're either one of two people. You get sent to the G League and you're so upset, you pout and you cannot perform because you're just in your feelings. You're just pissed or pushes you to be like, let me show them.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Paige]

What I'm capable of, what I'm worth. And they'll bring me back. I'm not the second person. I'm the first person. I'm still in my feeling.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Adding on, like, it.

[Paige]

I'll be like, if they don't see the worth, like, my worth, I'm not gonna prove it to them.

[Sierra]

I don't really that person either. Like, I'm kind of like, ah, fuck this. Like, honestly, I mean, I can't even clock in, for heaven's sakes, without getting pissed off. Like, I doubt that. If you send me to the G League, I'm toughing it out.

[Paige]

Imagine you clocking in.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God.

[Paige]

Like, are you doing pin pads now?

[Sierra]

Pin pads?

[Paige]

You, like, physically clock in at work?

[Sierra]

Yeah. At the hospital, you got to clock in. You swipe now. You should see. It's a race for the clock every Friday.

[Paige]

I think that you should vlog.

[Sierra]

Yeah. No. So many people have said that to me. Please start a vlog. And I'm like, y', all, I don't think that, like, I'm vlog worthy. But, like, really, some of the conversations that I have with myself some days are just.

[Paige]

I need to be a day in the life. I need you to wear the little one when it's around your neck.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God.

[Paige]

My.

[Sierra]

No, we, like. It's a clip on. It's a clip on. Yeah. You gotta scan in, scan out. Oh, my God. You should have seen me this fucking weekend. This. Oh, my Lord. I had so many moments where I was like, am I for real? Did I do this to my. I did this to myself. But am I for real right now?

[Paige]

Honestly, I think about you doing this quite a bit. The conversation just yesterday with my mom

[Sierra]

about this, like, oh, wait. And if we've segued, but if anybody doesn't know what we're talking about. Because I went back to nursing. It's. It's brand. It's brand new. We took some time off. We're back again. How long are you off, girl? Over a year and some months. Probably like a year and six months.

[Paige]

Thinking about the time fondly or.

[Sierra]

No, because here's the thing someone said to me the other day, like, oh, like, but, you know, you haven't worked. I was like, yeah, I haven't worked in, like, two nor. I haven't worked at this particular hospital in, like, two years. And they were like, sierra, that was four years ago. And I.

[Paige]

That you're one year. And change feels wrong.

[Sierra]

Well, no, because, like, when I stopped travel nursing. I haven't been at this hospital, though, in, like. Like, since 2018.

[Paige]

Okay.

[Sierra]

2019. And I left in 2020. Well, I started working there in 2018, but I left in 2020, so that's four years ago.

[Paige]

Got it.

[Sierra]

So I was like, I haven't.

[Paige]

Are the same people there? Is it weird going back to the. Like, you're basically.

[Sierra]

Yeah, there are some people.

[Paige]

Is everyone just where you left them? Oh, and does that with your.

[Sierra]

Sometimes it feels like time has stood still a little bit to me.

[Paige]

I imagine this, like, when I decide to finally open my Facebook for the first time in six months. And then a. You're looking, like, just, like, scrolling through and you don't recognize anyone's name because all females have changed their last name. Or like, your feed is full of babies. You might not be fully there yet, but you have to be moving in that direction.

[Sierra]

No, no, I'm there. Yeah. I don't like getting on Facebook. I'm like, yeah, no, my tenure is coming up.

[Paige]

Up. Are you going to go?

[Sierra]

Oh, my God. First of all, I was like, that's so rude. How dare you? Reminds me, I've been out of high school for 10 years.

[Paige]

I did. I didn't go to my 10 year. Oh, well, it happened in 2020, so no one did. But I went to my five year unexpectedly. I didn't do any of the planned events.

[Sierra]

Five year. That doesn't even feel long enough.

[Paige]

I know.

[Sierra]

Like, we ju. I just got done with y'.

[Will]

All.

[Paige]

And the thing is, like, I was there. I already had. I hadn't moved yet. Like, I still lived near the school or whatever. So I went to, like, the bar part. I didn't go to, like, the planned activities. I was very in, like, my. I just was, like, anxious about all of it. I hate small talk. I didn't want to do any of it.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Paige]

And I was like I'll probably never go again. I was forced into that one.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I'm not going.

[Paige]

What are any of your friends going? Like I don't have any friends.

[Sierra]

I literally don't have any friends from high school and I'm okay with that. Like actually I'm lying. I got one friend.

[Paige]

I was just trying to think if I had any friends from high school.

[Sierra]

I got one friend from high school. I guess we already talked about it. We said we weren't going. So.

[Paige]

So that's it.

[Sierra]

That's. Yeah. Wait a minute. We didn't finish talking about Caitlyn.

[Paige]

Well, yeah, things have been a little tragic but basically I'm. I'm up in arms over her salary. I think she should boycott. She should pull a Kaepernick.

[Sierra]

Different. Different.

[Paige]

But then she may never be able to play again. Cuz no one wants to work with Colin Kaepernick. No.

[Sierra]

Wasn't he auditioning for Sim Le?

[Paige]

Yes. And he like I saw the letters circulating and now he's still not signed, I don't think.

[Sierra]

Yeah. No.

[Paige]

Okay. Do you have any last Caitlyn thoughts?

[Sierra]

Yeah, no, I guess you know, she won't be warm anymore. Prada looks.

[Paige]

Her Nike endorsement is huge. She's. She can wear Prada all she wants.

[Sierra]

Okay, nice. How much is her Nike endorsement?

[Paige]

She'll be fine. I actually just saw it on my way here. Hold on. It's looking at 28 million over eight years.

[Sierra]

Yeah, that's. See here's the other part of me. I'd quit.

[Paige]

Well why do you need to be playing?

[Sierra]

Why do I need to be dribbling the ball if I got a 28 million?

[Paige]

I'm sure there are conditions in her contract that she. Yeah, that's an active player of some shape.

[Sierra]

Damn. Let me tell you how much I would hate to show up to practice knowing I'm getting.

[Paige]

Can you imagine even like trying? But that's the thing. You, you're not like you don't have the athletes mental.

[Sierra]

No.

[Paige]

Yeah. Neither do I. So it's like if we lose this game, nothing's gonna happen because I'm going home to my $20 million. Yeah.

[Sierra]

Oh my God. Are you kidding me? I'm showing up, I'm here so I don't get fined.

[Paige]

Correct?

[Sierra]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well I guess it's worth it. You know if, if a lot of brand deals are going to come from that endorsements which obviously they, they will. That does make it worth the while and worth the $76,000. Honestly, that's lunch money. That's gonna be lunch money for her.

[Paige]

Yeah. I mean, a lot of NBA players. Well, I. I don't know if a lot, but I know Jason Tatum, for one. He does it. His mom doesn't allow him to spend any of his endorsement money, as far as I know. He's only spends his, like, NBA contract money. Everything else is, I believe, invested or saved or, like, like, in funds. I mean, he has a kid that he famously totes everywhere.

[Sierra]

Yeah. And they're probably paying a ton of taxes that.

[Paige]

Although I googled his house the other day, and I was like, that's the problem with me. If I got a fat paycheck, everyone would know. Like, you know, it's like, if there's signs, there'll be signs. Because my house would be massive.

[Sierra]

See, I don't think I would buy a massive house.

[Paige]

I think I would. I think I would get, like. Like, all the land, it being closed. The dogs would be so happy.

[Sierra]

I would have a lot of land. But I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have a giant house. Because I think about, like, cleaning. No. Well, that part. But also when you have kids. Yeah, but, like, when you have kids and you can't hear what the they're doing on the other side of the

[Paige]

house, I don't think about that. But, Sierra, I have been having dreams about.

[Sierra]

Don't. If it has to be me. Okay. I was about to be Dot. Don't bring that ship.

[Paige]

You haven't been in my dreams in a while.

[Sierra]

Reason.

[Paige]

Actually, that's not true. We had a bad dream recently, but we don't have to talk about that. Okay. But I've been having dreams that I have a baby.

[Sierra]

From your lips to God's ears.

[Paige]

And I kind of am thinking, like, do I want a baby?

[Sierra]

Do you got time?

[Paige]

Not really. I don't feel like I have a whole lot of time, but have a

[Sierra]

baby at, like, 40 these days. And with all the engineering. Who could have a baby at 50,

[Paige]

but who wants to?

[Sierra]

Yeah, not me.

[Paige]

And I'm wondering if maybe I need to, like, look into playing, like, more of, like, a stepmother role or something. I just expected somebody in my life to have a baby by now, and I'm not around any children. And it would be nice to like, have the little, like, oh, I got this out my system. Like, go back to your father and mother. But, like, I don't. Or whoever your parents are. But I don't have that.

[Sierra]

Yeah. And you think that if you have one that'll fix your craving.

[Paige]

No, no, nothing's gonna. It's not a good idea. I have two dogs that I went to the vet this morning. My vet bill was fifteen hundred dollars. And that was enough for me to tell myself that.

[Sierra]

Was that in Jersey or New York?

[Paige]

That was in Brooklyn.

[Sierra]

Oh, not bad.

[Paige]

Not bad.

[Sierra]

I'm saying not bad because I took Jasper to the vet to get a tooth to. To this. This. Where am I wearing that earring? Okay, so this, y'. All. I got this little tiny earring in my second hole. It is so small. Jasper's tooth, smaller than that. He needs to have it removed. It's infected, honey. They quoted me 2800.

[Paige]

Oh, I didn't tell you that. Clove also needs oral surgery, so that's going to cost God knows how much. Probably in the 3K range.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Because I was like, they charged me a thousand dollars just for anesthesia. I said, he going, he's going to keep this tooth.

[Paige]

Can he?

[Sierra]

Yeah, he's got it still. And I'm not. Not until I take him to Florida. He can go to the Florida vet.

[Paige]

That's what I usually do. I take him to the Stoke vet or to the.

[Sierra]

But I was like, $2,800. I was like, you can't even see. I didn't even know he had those teeth. No way.

[Paige]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

But anyway. This is a money podcast, by the way. Sports. It's a money and sports and money. If y' all want to talk money in sports, let's do it because we're closing the wage gap. We're talking about money.

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[Paige]

okay, I wanted to close on this because the Shade Room asked, what's a good first date question?

[Sierra]

Who are you?

[Paige]

Well, what does that really mean? Like, here's the thing.

[Sierra]

No, because people be lying.

[Paige]

As I look back at my dating

[Sierra]

life, you know what? I. Okay, sorry. Go ahead.

[Paige]

Or lack thereof. I'm wondering if I should have been asking questions sooner. Like there's. I did something bad the other day when like I looked into the man that I'm one of, a man that I'm speaking to and I like went on Reddit and I just did a lot of Googling. One deep dark.

[Sierra]

Oh, he was on FBI.

[Paige]

I was on the FBI search and like there. The amount of times I was like, he has a child but he doesn't talk about or care for. And now I'm sitting on this information, I'm like, is it true? Is it not? Should I ask this sooner? Because now like months have passed and

[Sierra]

yeah, now it feels a little bit weird. Do you have a kid?

[Paige]

Right. I feel like it's never come up. You should tell me if you have a child. I would.

[Sierra]

You know what you do? You go out with friends and then you have your friends ask him.

[Paige]

That's not possible.

[Sierra]

Why?

[Paige]

Because he's not local. But

[Sierra]

so you're on FaceTime one night, your phone, your friend takes your phone and then she just starts spouting off a bunch of questions.

[Paige]

Okay. Yeah, not a bad plant.

[Sierra]

Yeah, like why not?

[Paige]

Yeah, okay, well, anyway, so what's a good first aid question?

[Sierra]

Do you have kids? Do you have gonorrhea? Syphilis, hiv?

[Paige]

Yeah, a lot of them. Responses on the Shade Room were like, show me your. Like, when's the last time you have been tested? And show me your chart.

[Sierra]

Yeah, totally. Maybe not your chart, but show me the test results.

[Paige]

Have you Ever asked to see someone's physical chart?

[Sierra]

No. And a lot of people don't have access to. I mean, like, I have.

[Paige]

Have.

[Sierra]

You do have access to your chart, but it's like, I don't. I mean, that feels very invasive.

[Paige]

I have in two situations, both of which were warranted, in my opinion.

[Sierra]

I think you should let me see your test results. Go get tested. I'll show you mine if you show me yours. And then I'll show you mine if you can show me yours. I think that's a great tactic.

[Paige]

Well, yeah. Yes, if they're going to show it to you. I feel like there's so many ways to get fake tests these days.

[Sierra]

Now, I would know.

[Paige]

Know.

[Sierra]

I think I would know, but I could. I could be wrong. I also think, who is your best friend and why? And I also think I also, like. Okay, if we are talking about exes, like, what are some things, like, you really loved about your.

[Paige]

So you'll bring up an ex on the first date?

[Sierra]

Not a first date, but I'm just saying.

[Paige]

I'm asking about first date question.

[Sierra]

Okay, well, I think that's a good question, generally. Like, what are things that you liked about your ex? Because everyone initially wants to talk, but what are some nice things that you.

[Paige]

I don't really want to hear about your ex on our first date. I feel like if you're talking about your ex, then you're not on a first date. Your head's still with you.

[Sierra]

Your ex, like, no, not on a first date. But, like, as you're dating, yes, I

[Paige]

should know about your relationship history in some shape or form. But here's the thing. Like, well, maybe I've just, you know me, like, I've just been burned. But, like, I feel like I look back, especially at my last relationship, and think about how he dogged his ex.

[Sierra]

Like, as we all, like, yeah, that's so unnecessary.

[Paige]

Further into the relationship, I feel like the more I, like, knew him, the more he would, like, open up, quote, unquote, about her. You know, she took his dog, this whole thing. And, like, she had every. Right now, now I know, like, exactly

[Sierra]

why, Like, I was, too. Yeah. Whenever anyone talks, I'm always like, but what did you do to her?

[Paige]

Literally, what did you do?

[Sierra]

What did you do to her? Because, like, this whole thing that chicks are crazy. No, we're fb. We're FBI agents. We're not crazy. We just work for the government.

[Paige]

And I don't even think that that's crazy. I feel like we literally.

[Sierra]

No I'm saying we're not crazy.

[Paige]

There's a pattern of men. Men who lie. It's just like.

[Sierra]

Yeah, it's called a man.

[Paige]

It's called a man. Sorry, I mean, I just have. I haven't seen a good one yet.

[Sierra]

Well, that. That feels like jadedness. There are good ones.

[Paige]

A good one, a chance, then perhaps

[Sierra]

that perhaps, you know, there's someone for everyone. And there's some.

[Paige]

Do they always find them? Like, that's the thing. Oh, my God. What?

[Sierra]

That feels like a deathbed question.

[Paige]

I do believe there is someone out there for everyone. But it's just like, how do you find them? Or do you find them? Do you always find them? Maybe you don't.

[Sierra]

I don't know. I don't know. We have to. You must decenter thy man from thy life. But another good first date question. Do you like cats? Do you like animals? O Amanda doesn't like animals. Suspect.

[Paige]

Yeah. I also have noticed that I have a weak spot when men remember the names of my dogs. And like, if they specifically ask about the dogs or if they throw in a line like, buchan Cliff, have such a good mom. I'm like, here. It's. It's all it takes.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Isn't that crazy?

[Sierra]

Hearing it? Yes, but I get it. But hearing it is a little silly

[Paige]

saying it out loud. No, no, I can recognize that. It's like it really is not. It's just a line. But yeah, it will something to me, like little fanny flutter going.

[Sierra]

I do get, you know, pumped when Jasper, like, you know, finally warms up to someone and like, you know, we'll lay on them and snuggle with him. That's.

[Paige]

Yeah, my dogs don't have that. Like, if any. If they don't love you, they'll pee on you when you come in. And that's club close. Very territorial.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Buka doesn't care. Sweet.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Paige]

Who you are. And Clove, for the most part will be like, I'll pee on you. But then we'd be cool with open arms. Okay, these are other questions that people wrote back. If I tell you to go to the store and get me a ginger ale, what kind are you buying? And I do feel like there's only one answer to that.

[Sierra]

Canada Dry.

[Paige]

See, I. I knew that you and I feel differently about ginger ale, but I'm a sweat. I'm a Schweppes girl.

[Sierra]

Chips is good.

[Paige]

You think Canada dries better? Canada Dry doesn't have the medicinal powers that Schweps.

[Sierra]

Okay, Schweps is what's in the hospital most times.

[Paige]

I think Schweppes is like the black ginger ale.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Okay. What about Seagrams? Isn't Seagram have a ginger ale?

[Paige]

They do. I just don't consider. I just don't think about them. Seagrams is fine.

[Sierra]

Se is a good.

[Paige]

It's no Schweps, though. Schwepes are bust.

[Sierra]

H. Okay, That's a good test. I like that. Okay, y', all, shall we go get some sleep?

[Paige]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's go get some sleep.

[Sierra]

Oh, I know what I did. I had coffee this morning. I'm starting to get back into coffee because I've been in the hospital, which is not good for me. Okay, wait, let me say bye. Okay, bye, y'.

[Paige]

All.

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