Food Insecurity Awareness, Ed Gein & Credible Influencers

Summary

Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry & Lindsie Chrisley

Episode: Food Insecurity Awareness, Ed Gein & Credible Influencers
Date: November 6, 2025
Podcast Host: PodcastOne

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Kail Lowry and Lindsie Chrisley bring their relatable, candid conversation style to a blend of deeply personal and wide-ranging topics. The hosts dive into food insecurity and its impact on families, share true crime revelations—including a new development in the Jack the Ripper case, unpack recent true crime series about Ed Gein, and discuss the authenticity of online influencers. Throughout, they sprinkle in their usual banter, reality TV insights, and stories from motherhood.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Hyper-Fixations, Kindle & Candle, and Childhood Memories

• Hyper-fixations: The hosts start off with lighthearted chat about personal obsessions: merch, collectible toys (Labubu), Kindles, candles, and how these “fixations” can quickly take over personalities.
  • "All the merch that I have in my life right now is my whole personality." — Lindsie (01:08)
• Childhood memories: Kail recalls bars that sell hermit crabs and Lindsie shares new knowledge about their surprising longevity and care, learned from TikTok.
• Octopus empathy: The discussion leads to ethical food choices and the intelligence of octopuses, with Lindsie horrified that her son tried octopus at a restaurant:
  • "Octopus are so smart. Why would you look at a octopus with eight legs and you're like, yep, I'm gonna cook it and eat it. Why?" — Lindsie (05:58)
• Seafood qualms: Both hosts feel uneasy about eating certain animals, particularly those they see as intelligent or capable of feeling pain (lobster tank memories at Walmart, the sound of boiling lobsters).

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Food Insecurity: Personal Stories and Systemic Challenges

[07:03-19:58]

Personal Impact and Empathy

• Lindsie speaks emotionally about growing up with food insecurity:
  • “I grew up with severe food insecurities. My mom struggled with her pride and filing to be on food stamps. Some years I had it, some years I didn’t… once I hit middle school, my mom never filled out the paperwork ever again.” — Lindsie (07:03)
  • She recalls not eating lunch or relying on a friend’s family for daily meals.
• Kail highlights the emotional toll of recent SNAP (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program) cuts:
  • “The SNAP benefits situation also sent me into a spiral…I was just like, this is not political. This is, like humanity, truly.” — Kail (09:54)

The Egg Stand Story

• Lindsie set up a free egg stand and shelf-stable goods at her house to help neighbors but was disappointed when one person took everything.
  • She emphasizes wanting to help as many people as possible and continues to restock despite setbacks.

Food Banks and Community Initiatives

• Kail and Lindsie stress the value of donations, especially monetary, for food banks where buying power goes further.
• Both urge listeners to support their local communities and remind that every dollar or item counts.
  • "I think a lot of people just feel like, okay, I don’t have enough to give … but it does [matter]." — Kail (15:17)

Instilling Awareness in Kids

• Kail and Lindsie discuss teaching their children empathy by encouraging them to share snacks at school and fostering awareness about not everyone having food security at home.
  • "To think about a child not having the access to go into the pantry and pick out any snack they want at any given time makes me so upset." — Lindsie (17:37)

The Long-term Effects of Childhood Food Insecurity

• Kail asks how lack of food shaped Lindsie’s approach as an adult and parent.
• Lindsie reveals she would “overindulge” when food was available, possibly a response to scarcity growing up.
  • "When I did have access to food, then I, like, overindulged. Like, I overate when I did have access to food." — Lindsie (20:53)

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True Crime Corner: Jack the Ripper, Ed Gein, and Criminal Psychology

[27:09-37:52]

Jack the Ripper's Identity Uncovered

• A recent DNA breakthrough confirms Jack the Ripper was Aaron Kosminski, a suspect all along but unproven for over a century.
  • "The science pointed to one man and it's not who you think... This wasn't a new suspect. This was the man they always thought it was." — Podcast TikTok Audio (27:15)
• Kail and Lindsie marvel at how cases can remain unresolved for so long and how modern technology can bring closure.

Other Famous Cases & Media

• Kail references documentaries where suspects are only cleared or correctly identified decades later (e.g., the "ice cream shop murders").
• They discuss the phenomenon of criminal duos and how people with "heinous interests" find one another.
  • "How do you guys share this, like, common interest? Like, it was hard enough for me to get involved in, like, the book world...Imagine if I had an interest in killing people." — Lindsie (30:47)

Ed Gein and "Monster"

• Lindsie admits to a "soft spot" for Ed Gein, attributing his actions to trauma and mental illness, not inherent evil. She is critical of how media sometimes exaggerates details.
  • "It’s my own belief…he was likely not born that way and that was developed whatever mental illness he suffered from." — Lindsie (32:33)
• They also touch on inaccuracies in media depictions, such as Ed Gein’s voice and rumored necrophilia (never proven).
• The Texas Chainsaw Massacre’s inspiration from Ed Gein is confirmed.
• Discussion of how Gein's mother may have had severe, undiagnosed mental illness—and musings about mental health diagnostics in history.
  • "I would be really curious to know like what they would have diagnosed his mom with." — Lindsie (35:45)

Medical Oddities: Chainsaws for C-Sections

• Trivia moment: The chainsaw was invented for surgical childbirth procedures, horrifying both hosts.
• "Could you imagine, just the sound of that in your body?" — Kail (39:39)
• Both marvel at the history of C-sections and the lack of regard for lived experience in early gynecology.

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Influencer Integrity & Shopping Trends

[43:32-55:57]

The Lululemon Dupe Trademark

• Lululemon recently trademarked "Lululemon Dupe" to fend off copycats. Lindsie muses about how brands could profit by embracing affordable lines and their own dupes.
• Kail no longer cares as much for the brand name but admits routinely returning to Lululemon leggings because of quality.
  • "Now it’s so weird… I still keep going back to my Lululemon leggings." — Kail (45:13)

Commissionable Links & Influencer Authenticity

• Discussion on influencers earning commission by linking items tried on in stores but not purchased.
• Kail prefers authenticity—influencers actually using and loving the product.
  • "If I’m going to be influenced by someone, it’s not going to be that…I want to see… like, yes, I have it, but I would not recommend buying it." — Kail (55:43)
• Lindsie is less bothered when the influencer’s body type is similar to hers and visual fit is the main goal but is wary with fast fashion quality.
• Both value honest reviews, especially given the current economy.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On food insecurity:
  “I don’t give a shit if you buy your kid Oreos with food stamps. That shit doesn’t bother me. I don’t care.” — Lindsie (10:07)
• On teaching empathy:
  “Don’t talk about it with them…just give them the snack…you don’t even have to like the person.” — Lindsie (19:02)
• On true crime fascinations:
  “How did they find each other?...If I had an interest in killing people, how hard would it be for me to, like, share that interest with someone and then follow it through?” — Lindsie (30:35)
• On influencer shopping culture:
  "What value … are we getting from that?" — Kail (54:17) "There are certain things that I feel like you have to own it…I want to know what the sustainability is." — Lindsie (54:59)

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Noteworthy & Lighthearted Moments

• Kail and Lindsie’s banter about snacks, picky eaters, and the absurdity of childhood meal negotiations (“The twins will eat any fucking thing…” 22:36).
• Kail’s “no buy November” and Lindsie’s ongoing quest for the perfect leggings.
• Shared disbelief at certain medical practices in history (chainsaws for c-sections: 39:39–41:12).

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Timestamps for Key Segments

01:08 – Merch & personal fixations
05:33 – Octopus intelligence and empathy
07:03–19:58 – Food insecurity, personal stories, and community action
15:17 – The value of small donations ("every dollar counts")
27:09–29:05 – Jack the Ripper’s identity confirmed
32:27–37:52 – Ed Gein and true crime media
39:39–41:27 – Chainsaw trivia and horrifying childbirth history
43:32–46:51 – Lululemon, “dupes,” and brand philosophy
51:25–55:57 – Commissionable links and authentic influencer reviews
56:12–60:17 – Listener story about postpartum disasters: comic relief and shared parenting war stories.

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Summary

This episode artfully mixes deep empathy, personal storytelling, and pop culture with the hosts’ signature irreverence and humor. Creating space for serious issues like food insecurity and the effects of childhood deprivation, Kail and Lindsie also offer thoughtful takes on true crime trends, influencer culture, and the ever-shifting priorities of motherhood and modern life. The episode is packed with memorable soundbites and moments of both reflection and laughter, making it meaningful, informative, and undeniably “Coffee Convos.”

Transcript

[Kael Lowry]

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[Lindsey Chrisley]

Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you.

[Kael Lowry]

This is Coffee Convos with Kael Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels. Kale.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

That does not interest me whatsoever.

[Kael Lowry]

I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family, and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

There's a fakery bakery around here.

[Kael Lowry]

Here's Kaylin Lindsay. Good morning, kitty cat.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Good morning. I decided to wear a cat print for today's episode.

[Kael Lowry]

I decided to wear our kitty crew. I also have a koozie.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I also have coffee for coffee combos. The reason why I didn't wear merch today is because I have worn merch every single day for the past two weeks. And so I just needed a little.

[Kael Lowry]

You felt like it was becoming your whole personality.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

It is. It is my. You know what? All the merch that I have in my life right now is my whole personality. And so when we're talking about hyper fixations.

[Kael Lowry]

The hyper fixations are crazy, though. Like, I think about you all the time with that one labubu that I have.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Wait, did I. I gave you one, right? Did you want another one? Because I have extras.

[Kael Lowry]

Yeah, yeah. I did show that people are getting, like, legitimate outfits. Like, paying a lot of money for, like, outfits to dress these laboos. No doubt their ear pierced.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I painted on one of mine. I, like, put paint on her earrings, and I painted her nails, and I put a Prada outfit on her. And then another one that I gifted to someone, I put in a pumpkin suit, and I gifted it for Halloween.

[Kael Lowry]

Very, very cute. Let me tell you about my hyper fixation. Right now, it's two things. Can you guess them?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Eye patches.

[Kael Lowry]

I mean, that's been a hyper fixation reading my Kindle.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Okay. Your Kindle. Okay. What? What are they? What are they?

[Kael Lowry]

Kindle and a candle.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Oh, Kindle and a candle. Oh, my God. Wait, that's a whole brand. Lindsay, you need sticker where it's like, Kindles and candles. We could do a whole, like, little collab for coffee combos for a little insert candle. Kindles and candles. I love that.

[Kael Lowry]

So cute. So I have been reading. Say, you'll remember me.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yes.

[Kael Lowry]

So you love it?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

It's so good. I'm. I didn't bring my book in, I don't think, but I just, I just finished the intruder by Frida McFadden and I'm starting the Heartbreak Hotel, which came in my book of the month box.

[Kael Lowry]

So please tell me why. I go to where I used to go and grab like drinks, which we know I'm not doing that anymore. So I go and just prop myself right up at the bar, order myself a kid's meal, some little boneless wings, little side of broccoli, and have my Kindle. And I'm just there talking to the bartender about books. She had her Kindle too.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

The bartender had her Kindle.

[Kael Lowry]

She did.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I want to go to that bar. I want to go to that bar because I'm not a drink. Do you think that we could open like a non alcoholic bar where it's like you bring your Kindle and your candle and you just sit at a bar and you order any kind of drinks?

[Kael Lowry]

You know, that's a good business plan, honestly. And since we're celebrating eight years, we need to do something.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I guess we're opening a business.

[Kael Lowry]

Kristen's like the. You guys are.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

She's like, we don't have a liquor license and y' all will never be approved for a liquor license.

[Kael Lowry]

Wait, do you remember those T shirts? Like those trashy ass T shirts that said liquor in the front, poker in the back?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Wait, no, I have never seen that in my entire life.

[Kael Lowry]

So I know that Kristen will probably know about this because I'm pretty sure my brother got one from Myrtle beach one time at like one of those, I don't know, like wings or something shops. I think it's called like wings and it says liquor in the front, poker in the back.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

But it's like wave her and poke her. Yeah, waves. I've never heard of that.

[Kael Lowry]

Yeah, it's like I used to get hermit crabs from waves back in the day when I was a little kid.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Hermit crabs are. They actually live like 50 years. I don't know if you realize that.

[Kael Lowry]

Like mine never lived longer than a week.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah. Because actually those shops are torturing them.

[Kael Lowry]

They are?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah, they're like really inhumane and PETA should like go after them. But I follow this girl on TikTok and she takes like actual care of her hermit crabs. And I'm going to post a video or I'll send it to the team to post and I'll send it to you. Hermit crabs live like 50 years. And they're very social creatures and you have to have a saltwater pool and a freshwater pool in them. And they omnivores, like, they eat like meat and stuff and like you have to like have like this much sand in there for them to go under and molt and then they come back out. Like how we buy all of this information? Because I thought I hyper fixated and I went down the hermit crab rabbit hole on. I think her name is Janie. Her name is Janie on Tick Tock. And she does. She has an 80 gallon tank for her hermit crabs and they live a long time. Like, I'm going to send you. Hold on, I'm. We can keep talking, but I am.

[Kael Lowry]

Going to send you Kristen ask you about octopi next.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Oh, my God. I have devastating news.

[Kael Lowry]

What.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Octopus? At Kristen's birthday dinner.

[Kael Lowry]

Yeah, like calamari?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

No, no, like, octopus was fried up and dropped on a plate and there was fucking suction cups on the tentacles on a plate. And my son participated.

[Kael Lowry]

I mean, no, we draw the line.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Like, I are so smart and they are so like, why would you look at a octopus with eight legs and you're like, yep, I'm gonna cook it and eat it. Why?

[Kael Lowry]

I mean, is it like the same as eating like lobster or oysters?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I just don't think it's the same. An octopus is so smart. Like they can open a jar. Like they can open the lid on.

[Kael Lowry]

A jar so you feel like they're more human like creatures.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I shouldn't even eat chicken because they're as smart as toddlers. So like, yeah, absolutely. And like cows have friends. Octopus are eating, are opening jars underwater. Like we should not be. We don't deserve animals.

[Kael Lowry]

We absolutely do not deserve animals. Which, by the way, I was following your Facebook yesterday and I saw where you were trying to be a kind, giving person and then somebody came and literally robbed you of eight dozen eggs and all of your canned goods.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

So I was crying on and off about the SNAP people losing their SNAP benefits. I don't know if anyone knows. If they didn't read my book, that's fine. But I grew up with severe food insecurities. My mom struggled with her pride and filing to be on food stamps. So we were never consistently on them because she, I think she was embarrassed. And then she also wasn't consistently filling out paperwork for me to have free and reduced lunch. So some years I had it, some years I didn't. And once I hit middle school, my mom never filled out the paperwork ever again. So I was also going to school and not eating there either until high school, when Ariel's family fed me every day of the year, ninth grade. And so I say all this to say that it was really upsetting to me, you know, to learn about people losing their SNAP benefits and, like, to think about, like, my kids eat snacks all day, right? Like, so I can't imagine, like, a child the twins age or even Lincoln's age, like, being hungry. Like, you cannot concentrate when you're hungry. So I was like, okay, I'm gonna make my chicken eggs free for the rest of the year. We get a little over a dozen every single day. Well, I had a surplus because for whatever reason, towards the end of summer, the kids. Not the kids, the chickens were laying and producing a lot. So I had a surplus mainly in September, October, had eight dozen. Put them in there, put a free sign out, put. Stocked the egg stand with all these, like, shelf stable goods and pop up. He had seen somebody pull up and he said, you know, take a dozen eggs. Take whatever else you need. And then he stood there on the porch, which is kind of far from the egg stand, but he watched the same one person clear out the entire egg stand, all eight dozen eggs, all the canned goods, all of the. I put, like, stovetop stuffing mix, pasta sauces. Like, he took everything.

[Kael Lowry]

And I mean, I understand the person likely had a need, right?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Did they go for 96 eggs, like two dozen, maybe?

[Kael Lowry]

No, I mean, I get that. But, like, sharing is caring. And they could have come back and got more at another time.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I.

[Kael Lowry]

It's turned you off from doing it because you know that the risk is there for one person to take everything that you put there.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

It just made me sad because I was like, okay, if one person, if four families came and took two dozen eggs each, that's four families versus one or eight families that each get one dozen and a couple other items. Like, I want to help as many people as possible, but when you have one come clear out everything, it makes it hard. But I. I restocked the thing. Obviously, I'm not going to have as many eggs as I did, but I restocked it with, like, shelf stable items again because I'm like, that's not going to stop me from hopefully helping somebody else. But Jesus, like, why? Why?

[Kael Lowry]

The SNAP benefits situation also sent me into a spiral. I was crying on the phone with somebody the other day because I was just like, this is not political. This is, like humanity, truly.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

It's just. It's like, but the Ms. Rachel, you know, Ms. Rachel is. Yeah, she, like, got online, I guess, on Tick Tock maybe, and said something about, like, you know, people are being intentionally starved. And she didn't realize that that was going to be controversial because people are upset about how they use their food stamps. Well, I'm here to tell you that I pay a third of my income to taxes, and I don't give a fuck what people buy with their food stamps. And I don't give a fudge what people buy because that's the whole fucking point. Like, I do not give a shit if you buy your kid Oreos with food stamps. That shit doesn't bother me. I don't care.

[Kael Lowry]

It also does not bother me. And I didn't know that we were going to talk about this, but we also about the children that are in foster care, and you have foster parents who are reliant on these types of programs. And it's already a bad situation. So, you know, let's make it worse.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

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[Lindsey Chrisley]

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[Lindsey Chrisley]

Think that people assume that people who have SNAP benefits do not work. And it's like, no, it actually a lot of the families are working families that still can't make ends meet. But where do you want them to pull their. Pull the money out of their ass to go back to school to get a job. And like, truly going to college is not going to get them very far unless they're going to be a doctor or a lawyer. So let's start there. I will say this too, Lindsay, in case you didn't know. I guess like the food banks, if you could donate like actual cash or checks, they have partnerships with vendors where they're able to get more for the. The cash than we are from like the grocery store. So I just want to call that out for anyone who's wondering, you know, yeah, obviously start in your own pantry if there's something in there. If there's things in there that you're not going to use, like donate them or like go buy. But also they do get more for their. For with our money to donate, they get more than we would.

[Kael Lowry]

My church just did a food drive and I think it was only one Day. It was, like, this past Sunday, and they collected a lot of canned goods and stuff that, like, will not go bad to be able to give back to the local people in our community. And they were just talking about how, like, every dollar counts, Right? Like, don't think that just because you gave $5 and John down the way gave a hundred dollars that your money doesn't matter.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

No, it does.

[Kael Lowry]

I think a lot of people just feel like, okay, well, I don't have enough to give, or because somebody else is giving so much more than me that, like, my dollar doesn't matter. But it does.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

No, it absolutely does. It absolutely. Like, if I. Shit, if someone want to give me $2 on a Monday when I was a kid, I would have got a whole meal.

[Kael Lowry]

So what was that like growing up? Your mom qualified, but she just. It was like a pride situation.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah. Some years, like, I remember in elementary school, specifically in fourth grade, I remember, like, I had. We had lunch tickets. And so, like, you had to fill out a thing, and then your tickets were coded to, like, full price, lunch, reduced price, or free. And so I think because my mom knew that she was, like, embarrassed, so she didn't. She wasn't consistent with filling out the paperwork. It also was dependent on who she was dating at the time. Like, if she had a boyfriend. Like, I don't know if she didn't want the boyfriend to know. I don't really know. Some years I had free lunch. Some years I had reduced lunch, but some years I just didn't eat lunch at all. Because at that time when we were growing up, there wasn't, like. I don't even know. Like, you can't just, like, go to the. Maybe you could. And I never asked. I don't know. Like, maybe they would offer kids that couldn't. I don't know. But today, like, Lux and Creed, they can go get free lunch during the day and free breakfast, really. And I just think about, like, growing up. But when I went to high school, my mom never, ever, ever gave me lunch money. Ever. I never had lunch money. The only way I ate was from Ariel's family, giving her tens and twenties every single day for school.

[Kael Lowry]

That's wild. I do remember our county. And I don't know if this was, like, a nationwide thing or not, but it was either during COVID or, like, shortly after Covid. School lunches were, I want to say, free for two years for all students. That's not the case anymore. I don't know whenever that went away, but I love that and then they also do this program for summertime where parents can come and pick up meals and stuff for their children during the summer. Like, so you go to the local school and they provide things like juices and milks and fruits and stuff like that.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I've never heard of that. I don't know if our school does it, but I told my kids all like, what's today Tuesday? I started telling them on Sunday, take multiple snacks to school every day. And if someone asks you for a snack, give them their, your, like an entire snack. Like, I, I just worry because there, there are a lot of low income families like where we live. And so I don't want anyone to be embarrassed. And I just, I keep asking them to remind them, like, what do you do if someone wants some of your snack? And he's like, just give. You know, they're like, give, give one of. And there. Lincoln doesn't really like to bring a snack to school. But I said, I know, if you don't want to eat it, that's fine. Just give it to one of your friends. And I don't really give a. I don't care if they have a snack or not. You don't know what their situation is when they get home. Maybe they have a snack for school, but they don't have a snack for at home. Like, just give it to them. Because I literally keep thinking about how like the twins, specifically in Rio, eat snacks all day fucking long. All day long. And like, to think about a child not having the access to go in the pantry and pick out any snack they want at any given time makes me so upset.

[Kael Lowry]

It's heartbreaking. Just, you know, and I, I never want to shame Jackson in a situation to where like, you should feel so fortunate that you're able to go into a pantry and get five snacks after school. You know, Like, I never want him to, to feel bad because I'm providing that for him. But at the same time, I do want him to have a level of awareness that like, like, this is not everybody.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah. And I'm like, you don't talk about it with them if they don't, if they don't feel comfortable sharing. Like, don't ask them questions. Just give them the snack. Like they, you don't. And you don't even have to like the person. Just give them the snack.

[Kael Lowry]

I might contact the school whenever we get off of our recordings and see if maybe I can do like a Sam's drop off for, for like, for like the teachers, for them to have the extra snacks in the class. Because I do know, like, Jackson's a little bit shy. I don't know if he would just, like, walk around offering a snack to somebody, But I could just provide it through the teacher.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

That's smart. I didn't even think about that. I thought about pulling my camper to rofo up there by acme at the grocery store and just using it as a food bank, But I don't know when I'll have the time.

[Kael Lowry]

You said just using the camper as a food bank?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Well, because I'm like, how else am I gonna cart? Like, I wonder if we could do that. You know what I mean? Because I would imagine that the food.

[Kael Lowry]

I just feel like so many people aren't having the conversations that need to be had, and I'm definitely having those conversations in my house. I just wish that it was easier or more easily accessible to be able to help people.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kael Lowry]

Programs and stuff, like, food banks and stuff, make it kind of hard, like, even to this point. And I don't know if it's just, like, an area thing for us, but make it really hard to even volunteer to give your time.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

That's so interesting. I just. I think about all the people that have, like, helped me. I remember I told you this before, but, like, walking across the street, and Steve had this, like, little shop, this little, like, convenience store.

[Kael Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I didn't have enough money for the chips, and it was just a few cents, but he just. He was like, just take it. You know what I mean? Like, just. Just take it and, you know, pay me back later. And obviously, I never did.

[Kael Lowry]

But do you feel like from your childhood that that shaped the way that you view food?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah, because when I did have access to food, then I, like, overindulged. Like, I overate when I did have access to food. And, I mean, you could ask my. My uncle's on tik tok, and sometimes he comments on my stuff, and it's so funny, But I'm like, y' all don't believe me? Go ask him. He'll tell you that I was walking down the street, Walk my happy ass right down to his house and say, hey, can y' all feed me?

[Kael Lowry]

More, like, a binge eating? Because you, like, didn't have for so long prior to that.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I mean, obviously, I'm not a therapist, but that's my guess. Like, now that I look back and like, oh, when I was able to eat, I ate so much. My. My friend's parents were probably like, what the.

[Kael Lowry]

Like, why does she eat that much? That's so crazy. No. Okay, so I have this rule in my house. It's kind of related, but, like, not really. If you are hungry enough for a meal, you need to ask me to, like, make a meal. Like, I'll make a sandwich. Dino Nuggets, macaroni and cheese, something like that. Like a Totino's pizza, whatever. Don't go into the pantry and get six different snacks, because that indicates to me that you need a whole meal.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah, I would agree. But if your kid is anything like my children, Rio is not. He. Rio is protesting meals right now. And it's very hard because it's one of those things where it's like, okay, I don't want him to snack all day, but he's not eating his meals. And it's like, okay, what am I gonna have to do? Like, starve him for two days of snacks before he will actually be hungry enough to eat a full meal? But then I have the twins, who just turned to. When I tell you that the twins will eat any fucking thing. Like, they would have eaten the octopus if I would have put it in front of them. Valley will eat any fucking thing that you put in front of that girl.

[Kael Lowry]

Really?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Anything? It doesn't matter what it is. Ollie and Verse will it up.

[Kael Lowry]

Isn't that so crazy that you can have children in the same home, raised the same way, and that they're that different?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

And then here we have Lincoln, the pickiest eater I have between. It's between. Him and Creed are my pickiest eaters. And now Rio. I guess Lincoln doesn't eat anything. He probably has, like, a list of five things that he eats. Here he goes, trying the octopus. So please explain to me how you have the audacity to eat an octopus, but you won't eat real chicken that I breaded and put in the oven?

[Kael Lowry]

I think it probably has something to do with the thrill of the idea of knowing that it's something, like, so taboo.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I was disgusted. Like, have you ever seen an octa buddy? Like those little phone things that you put on the back of your phone?

[Kael Lowry]

Yeah, this, somewhere.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah, that. It looks like that on the plate.

[Kael Lowry]

Yeah. No, that's a no for me.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

For me, it's like, an octopus is so smart. How.

[Kael Lowry]

Why is it on a plate? You can't get over it.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Like, that octopus probably felt you slicing its tentacles off. And I'm not. Okay. And I also read Remarkably Bright Creatures, which is going to be a movie. And once you read that book, there is no eating an octopus.

[Kael Lowry]

Okay. So do you remember back in the day when Walmart became a super center and they had like the lobsters like swimming around like in the tank?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kael Lowry]

And you could buy them to like cook them. I always thought that that was so inhumane. Like, yes. Do I love lobster? Absolutely. Do I buy lobster from Sam's club? Yes, I do.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

But you don't want to see it alive.

[Kael Lowry]

I don't want to see it alive. And like people put those in pots and supposedly they make noise like when they're being cooked.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Oh.

[Kael Lowry]

And I don't know how much truth there is to it. I have never done one, but I would imagine that would be the case. Because if you're putting something live down in like a boiling pot of water.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Why are we boiling live lobsters?

[Kael Lowry]

Kristen says it's true.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

But why are we, why are we boiling them alive? Why are we doing that? I don't know. We cannot be so naive to believe that, like, as humans we're not going to eat meat. Like, in a perfect world, I'd go vegan, but like, it's just not realistic for me.

[Kael Lowry]

Kristen said, maybe let's move on from killing the that we eat before I vomit.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

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[Kael Lowry]

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[Kael Lowry]

Wait, what? Back up, give context.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I'm gonna just let Kristen play this. Tick tock that I sent in.

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Our group chat team found a living female line descendant of a suspect sister and tested her again. It was a match. After 137 years, the science pointed to one man and it's not who you think. It wasn't a prince, it wasn't a doctor, it wasn't a famous artist. His name was Aaron Kosminski. The name might not ring a bell, but to the police in 1888, it was at the top of their list. This wasn't a new suspect. This was the man they always thought it was. Aaron Kosminski was a Polish immigrant who had fled to London. He worked as a hairdresser in Whitechapel, the very heart of the terrorist. He was known to be mentally unwell, a man plagued by dark visions and violent rages. What many overlooked is that the top cops of the day practically shouted his name. Chief Constable Melville McNayton wrote a famous memo in 1894 that named Kosminski as a primary suspect. He described him as a man who had a strong homicidal tendency, but the most chill.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

And so I thought that was really interesting because I did. I wasn't really super familiar with Jack the Ripper, like the entire lore and like what he did, but Jack the Ripper, the name Jack the Ripper came from a letter sent to London newspaper in 1888 which was signed Jack the Ripper. And so he ended up killing five women. So between August 31 and November 9, 1888, so we're talking about like the 1800s in London, he murdered five women that came to be referred to as Jack the Ripper murder cases. And so there's been so many, like documentaries and all kinds of stuff and So I get on TikTok last night, and everyone's tagging us in it, saying, can we please cover this? Which, obviously we don't need to go in depth, but I just thought that was fascinating, that it was the number one suspect that they had. They just couldn't prove it. And so finally they were able to prove it. But what can be done now?

[Kael Lowry]

Isn't that so crazy that 137 years.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Later, but, like, this is living like.

[Kael Lowry]

The ice cream shop? Did you watch the ice cream shop murders?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

No, I don't know what that is.

[Kael Lowry]

It was these young girls that worked at an ice cream shop. There's a documentary on it. And they were assaulted. Panties were found. I think the. The place was lit on fire. And they had these suspects, but they never could, like, technically prove anything. And then some of the two of the boys ended up going to prison, ended up getting out. And then I just saw something not too long ago that there was a DNA link or, like, match to someone that was not either of them.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Oh, interesting. So was there crazy? Wait, so were the two suspects that went to prison, were they. Did they participate in it, or it was not them at all?

[Kael Lowry]

I don't know. I would venture to say they probably did participate, just based off of the evidence that was presented that got them convicted in the first place. I don't know.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

But don't you think it is so crazy if two people that are capable and willing to murder someone would cross paths?

[Kael Lowry]

What's so crazy is that we cross paths of people who do, like, heinous. Just out in the world, like, I just. Or, like, grocery store.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

The dots don't connect for me because I don't. I don't think that way. So, like, when I hear about, like, two people meeting and, like, going on a killing spree, like, on these documentaries, on morbid podcasts and, like, that, I'm just like, how do you guys share this, like, common interest? Like, it's. It was hard enough for me to get involved in, like, the book world and find other people who are willing to read. Imagine if I had, like, an interest in killing people. How hard would it be for me to, like, share that interest with someone and then follow it through?

[Kael Lowry]

I just wonder when you see stuff like that, number one, how did they find each other?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

That's what I'm saying.

[Kael Lowry]

Like, was it the interest of one? Like, if we're just talking about, like, two people that are doing these crimes together? Like, was one, like, the lead, like, person? And they talked about it so Much that the other person was, like, mentally ill enough to, like, go along with it.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

That's what I'm saying. Like, it's just so fast. I hope that when Co Burger dies, they study his brain, actually. I wish they would, like, scan it.

[Kael Lowry]

And now I wish that he was.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

But he was also alone. Like, he didn't do it with somebody, I guess. Finding someone who, like, had a partner in crime and then scan their brains.

[Kael Lowry]

I wish that he would be donated to science. Like, now I know that sounds, like, really bad, but I need more information on, like, why he did what he did, and we'll probably never know. Speaking of, like, true crime stuff, though, I just finished watching Monsters. Like, I started watching it last weekend and then I finished it up this weekend. That was some crazy.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I have a soft spot for Ed Gain. I know that's an unpopular opinion.

[Kael Lowry]

You're the second person that's actually said that to me. Somebody said that to me last night and said that they developed a soft spot for him at the end of. What do you call it? Like, the show? The series.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah, I. It's my own belief. It's my own opinion that he was likely not born that way and that was developed whatever mental illness he suffered from. It's my opinion that he developed it from whatever traumatic events his mother and father inflicted on him. And I also don't love that they insinuated that he committed more crimes than he did and more murders than he did because he didn't do. Like, I. It's never been proven that he killed his brother. No evidence. Evidence of him killing the babysitter. Although I did read some controversial takes on the voice that was used for him in the Monster series. But I have never listened to the tapes. I. Someone did tell me about the tapes on Amazon Prime. I forget what it's called. There's, like, a series on Amazon prime where it's, like, the actual tapes of his confessions and things like that. I want to go back and listen because I want to see what the voice sounds like. His voice.

[Kael Lowry]

Why are they saying that the voice doesn't, like, match up with what he actually sounded like?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah, they were saying it was, like, an inaccurate situation. I mean, and then the girlfriend. Adeline. Adeline. Adeline, in real life, she. The first interview that she did, she said that they had a romantic relationship for 20 years. And then immediately, a week later, she does a second interview where she denies. And it was all platonic. She says it was all platonic. Well, I'm inclined to Believe your. You the first time because you didn't know the hate that you were going to get and you were being the first time is my guess.

[Kael Lowry]

Well, it kind of like touched on that a little bit in the press conference that was in the monsters show. She definitely had some stuff going on mentally with her too.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

The woman that they were like sort of like romanticizing that was like killing all those people and making furniture out of the Jewish people that they killed in during the Holocaust. She was real. Like she was a real person. And that was based on facts.

[Kael Lowry]

That's so crazy. Do we know if Ed Gein, or gain. Whatever you said his name was, was the having sexual relations with a corpse was that.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

It was never proven that he had. He did not have. What is it? Necrophilia. He didn't have that. It's never been proven. He's never showed. Admitted to anything like that. And that was not. And everything that I read because like obviously went down a rabbit hole for a couple days after watching that and I. There's no evidence that he actually had sex with a horse.

[Kael Lowry]

Did it ever say. I don't remember it saying on the series. Was his mom ever like tested or diagnosed with anything? Because I could imagine the amount of mental turmoil that you would go through if that was your mother.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I don't know that she was ever. I don't even think schizophrenia was like a thing at that time.

[Kael Lowry]

Like we didn't know about it.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah, I think it was like not.

[Kael Lowry]

Because that's what I would say if obviously we're not doctors, but after watching that, I would say that if it was a thing that that's what he would have been diagnosed with.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

So it says that schizophrenia was first described in the late 19th century, around 19. The word schizophrenia was coined by the Swiss psychiatrist. Although Wikipedia and AI are saying two different things, but they're both saying the 19 19th century. Ed Gein, let's see, 1906. So yeah, around that time. I don't know. It's hard to say, but I feel like I read something about schizophrenia not really being a thing at that time. I would be really curious to know like what they would have diagnosed his mom with. But I don't.

[Kael Lowry]

Odd. Like the. When I was watching it, like how she was so adamant about her boys not having girlfriends or and she wishes.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

That Ed was a daughter. Like she was so upset because Ed was a boy and she wanted a girl, but then hating girls. I don't understand that part of it. You would think that with the dad being a drunk and whatever, that she would hate men.

[Kael Lowry]

The only thing I could think that that logically made sense to me was that she didn't want her boys to go through anything that she had gone through. And while they were boys, if they were going to choose to be with a woman, she didn't want to see that situation because the dad was so bad in her eyes. Like, maybe that's where it came from. But it just didn't make sense to me. And I. I couldn't make sense of him with the bra and panties situation thing either.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Well, I think he was so obsessed with like bringing her back that I think it was like more of that. Yeah, but did you know that the Texas Chainsaw Massacre was based on Ed Gein?

[Kael Lowry]

No, I did not know that.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah, that was. That was inspired by Ed Gein.

[Kael Lowry]

Oh wow.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

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[Kael Lowry]

No. What? That's how they did C sections. Like, back when. Could you imagine just the sound of that in your body?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Could you imagine about the sound alone? Freaks me out.

[Kael Lowry]

And we wonder why so many people died in childbirth. Like, back then, they were just taking chainsaws to their stomachs.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Why were chainsaws invented?

[Kael Lowry]

That doesn't even make sense to me.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

It says chainsaws were originally invented in the late 18th century for medical purposes, specifically to assist with complicated childbirth by cutting through bone and cartilage more efficiently than a handsaw. So first they were using a handsaw to per. To perform C sections, and then they were like, hold on, let's put a battery pack in this bitch and just rip her to shreds.

[Kael Lowry]

But how did they. If they were using a chainsaw, then how did they stitch them up?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

If I had to guess, they probably died.

[Kael Lowry]

So they had a baby and then they passed away.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I think they were cutting the pubic bone. Kristen said what bones were being cut. I believe it was the pubic bone. Like, where your vagina way.

[Kael Lowry]

I mean, think about, like, with a C section today, they were doing C.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Sections this way instead of horizontally.

[Kael Lowry]

Really? I wonder when that changed. When they stopped doing them that way. Like, when they stopped using chainsaws.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I mean, let's just. The root cause of this was that this was all men's ideas. Like, men did this. They were like, yeah, you know what? Let's. Let's use a handsaw to cut this baby out of her, and if she dies, we'll try to put a battery pack in a. In a handsaw, and then we'll cut them vertically. They were like, yeah, this is a great idea.

[Kael Lowry]

I mean, I just think of the amount of precision that takes place now, like in a C section. How could you be precise at all with a chainsaw? Like, how.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

How did that sound go?

[Kael Lowry]

Is that what it sounds like? And it's like a moving belt.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

No, I know, but, like, to think that you're just like, yep, let's just chop her up now. I have a C. I had my C section scar when I Had one was this big.

[Kael Lowry]

Wait, which kids did you have? C section. The twins.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kael Lowry]

And that's it.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

That's it. That's the only C section I had. And they were able to even just, like, move it down. But if it was a fucking chainsaw vertically, I would have had to live with that scar if I lived at all.

[Kael Lowry]

You wouldn't live. Like, you can't convince me. I would love to know people, like, in history books that survived being chainsawed.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

How. No, they would have died by now, Right?

[Kael Lowry]

Yeah. Kale. That would have been, like, in the 1900s, probably in the 1800s.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I don't know.

[Kael Lowry]

Right. Like.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

All ancestors were, like, using chainsaws, you know?

[Kael Lowry]

I wonder at what point did, like, C sections take the turn? And they were like, okay, we're now gonna use, like, a scout, A scalpel. Is that what they.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah, I'm pretty. I mean, they don't let you see. They don't let your partner even look over. Like, you're not supposed to look over the curtain at all. So I. I think it's a scalpel. But I don't know.

[Kael Lowry]

Like, back in the day, why didn't people be like, oh, we should definitely come up with, like, a better alternative than just, like, gearing up this chainsaw?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

My guess is it probably had something to do with the fact that only men had rights during that time. So it was like, oh, men will make the decisions, and men will choose a chainsaw and a handsaw. And they were like, actually, we'll burn it closed with a lighter.

[Kael Lowry]

Like, what the.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Like, I'm concerned.

[Kael Lowry]

I've been concerned since we started this conversation. Wait, can you tell everybody who's listening? Because I have a lot to say about this Lululemon. Registering the Lululemon, you guys.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I send in the group text with Lindsay and Kristen. Lindsay has been a long. A long lover of Lululemon, and I have nothing of Lululemon. I've never tried them. I don't even know if I've been to the store. But it was reported that Lululemon just trademarked the term Lululemon dupe to. To crack down on copycats. And I just. I feel like we've talked about it, and so we don't have to go, like, too far into it, but part of me is like, well, you would be smarter to create a more affordable brand and put it under the same umbrella so that you could just collect the funds from all. Like, you would be so smart to, like, create a Lululemon dupe. And it's literally the same thing, but cheaper. But you're collecting the money and then you still have the people who are like, tat, like name chasers, like brand name lovers, and collect the funds there too.

[Kael Lowry]

Like, I'm not. I used to be where I'm like, oh, I want like the Lululemon leggings and like the jacket and. And the activewear shirts and stuff like that. Because it had, like the Lululemon, like, label on it or like, little sticker looking thing. I don't know at what point. Like, maybe when I decided that I was just gonna be a sandy saver, I didn't care about it anymore. But now it's so weird because I was washing leggings literally yesterday. I wash them all, like, in one load of laundry. And I still keep going back to my Lululemon leggings.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Okay, well, here's the thing. I'm gonna order. I was gonna do a no buy November, which is like sort of like no shave November, but it's no buy November. I'm not buying in November.

[Kael Lowry]

You have participated in both, but there it.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Well, I mean, I have not shaved in a long time down there, so I'm kind of doing both. I am gonna buy a pair of Lululemon leggings, and I have been wearing my Amazon leggings that come in a pack of three for probably a year now. I have always compared them to Lululemon because I love them so much. But I'm going to get a real pair. Actually. I'm going to order them right now.

[Kael Lowry]

I am probably going to go to Lululemon. Like, I love to go to the Lululemon store, and I don't really like to go to stores, but I need to feel like, textures and I need to, like, see it with my eyes and my hands, you know, like, true to size. I would say true to. Well, I'm in a size 4, so it's like European sizing for leggings. Yeah.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I have to buy jeans with drawstrings. So what the do I order?

[Kael Lowry]

I don't know. I would say. Do you not have Lululemon?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Lindsay? I live in Dover, Delaware.

[Kael Lowry]

I know. I've been there one time and I'm like, what is going on?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Mortified by the hotel options that we have here. Do you think we have Lululemon?

[Kael Lowry]

It's just a lot. And, like, I still can't get over the wawa, like, the way you have hyped it up for so many years. And I'm just like, there's Nothing.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Okay, well, we'll go to a Circle K, then.

[Kael Lowry]

A Circle K? We have those here.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Wait, where do you go?

[Kael Lowry]

Quick trip.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Quick trip. Quick, quick trip. I need to go to a. I need to go to a racetrack. I need to go to a quick trip. I need to do all the things. Also, I don't know if you know this, but my dad's burial ceremony is this weekend.

[Kael Lowry]

Wait, so you're going to Texas again?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah, I go to Texas on Thursday when this episode is airing, I will be actively flying to. To Dallas.

[Kael Lowry]

How are you feeling?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I feel fine. If I'm being honest, I'm not in the mood to travel right now. I'm going through a lot mentally, and I'm just like, like, kind of drained. But my cousin, my first cousin is flying in from North Carolina with her kids, and then my sister will be there. So I am, despite the circumstances, really excited to see my family. But I'm just out of the traveling mindset. Like, when I'm traveling back to back to back to back, it's easier for me because it's like, that's what I know. When I go weeks and weeks and weeks beyond. Like, between trips, I have a harder time.

[Kael Lowry]

It's because you fold, like, into your regular daily routine at your house. And then. Then you go and do, like, this one little trip where it's a couple of days and it throws you all off of your routine, and then you go back to your routine. It's so hard.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Because I'm just like. There's, like, for me to leave my. To leave Delaware for several days is. Is rough because of, like, all of the moving parts and all the kids and where they're going to be and who they're going to be with if. If it's not me. And, you know, with two of the dads living out of state, it's been a challenge. So I will, you know, I prefer to stay put now.

[Kael Lowry]

I'm gonna stay put until the end of the year, and then that's when I am requesting that we're gonna start recording in person come January.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I'm also down with that. I feel like I could get behind that. Just take the rest of the year to just chill. Let me tell you something. I have gone to Target a couple times in the last few weeks, which I am not a typical Target goer because it's on the other side of town. But every time that I've gone, the last, we'll say two or three times, my Phone service goes out for like several hours, so I feel like you should do a class action lawsuit.

[Kael Lowry]

Wait, why is your phone going out?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

No clue. And it won't work for several hours after I leave. You guys, we have been talking about saving money and I'm talking about a no by November right now because I have big financial goals. But I love hitting all of my financial goals with with Rocket Money. If you guys don't know what Rocket Money is, it's a personal finance app that helps find and cancel your unwanted subscriptions, monitors your spending, and helps lower bills so that you can grow your savings. And I've talked about this for years. Three years ago, I was able to put an in ground pool in because I use Rocket Money to create a savings account for that.

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[Lindsey Chrisley]

Okay, so I just talked about this with someone.

[Kael Lowry]

You did?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I. Yeah, I Watched a girl, a smaller, I guess like a micro influencer or something, and she was talking about how she makes content and she was saying that she like goes into the dressing rooms and tries on the outfits and links them through commissionable links. But she might not buy them, but she tried it on.

[Kael Lowry]

How do we feel about it? Like people who are listening to this, are you wanting to see like all of the things, even if it's somebody like doing these try ons and stuff like in the dressing rooms of these places, but it's not items that are like tried and true or they've worn them and can actually give you a real review. Because if I'm going to be influenced by someone, it's not going to be influenced by that. Like I'm going to be influenced by somebody who's like, okay, well I've worn these specific leggings for one whole year and I love them. And these are the reasons why I love them. Not somebody doing a Target try on in a dressing room and not buying any of the items.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

So Kristin said in the chat, it depends what I'm looking for. If I'm looking for styling, I don't care. I sort of have the same like viewpoint. Like I know these leggings that I have on right now, I've been wearing them for a year or longer and I've repurchased like two or three packs of them just because I like to have black leggings. So I think it really depends. I personally wasn't offended. I thought that it was smart for her because it's like, okay, go in the dressing room with these items. I'm styling it, I'm showing you what it looks on this like mid size or plus size body, whatever. And then maybe she didn't have the funds to buy it. And then with the commissionable links and she's posting it now she has the money to go buy it. And I also think it depends on the brand, right? Like if you are American Eagle is something that I typically like their stuff and I like the fabrics they use and things like that. So that to me would be worth it. If it's like Amazon fast fashion sheen tick tock shop, I'm gonna be a little bit more wary about it and that's gonna piss me off because I don't think that all of those qualities are equal.

[Kael Lowry]

I just, I don't know, maybe, maybe because I have tried to do like the under consumption thing, I haven't been like totally successful with it. So I'm not going to act like I have. But if I am looking at stuff that I, I might like or would want to purchase, I don't want to see somebody take a whole bunch of stuff into a dressing room, do like styling of these items, link the stuff that they didn't purchase, and then there's no actual real review. Like, I can go into Target. Just like that person didn't look at the stuff. Like, what value, I guess, are, are we getting from that?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Okay, for example, for me, like, my body type is a little bit different than I would say, like average. So like, if I found a creator that had a similar body type as I have and they did that and I see how it fits on the person, I personally don't give a if you bought it or not. I want to see if you have gapping in the back. I want to see if, you know, if you do this oversized shirt and you are not super big chested like I used to be, and I'm pretty average now. You know how, how are you wearing that oversized top to make it flattering to your body? So I personally wouldn't give a, at that point if it was. If you bought it or not. I want to see how it fits. But there are certain things that I feel like you have to own it. I want to know what the, I want to know what the, the sustainability is.

[Kael Lowry]

And also just like with the economy the way that it is, I just feel like I want to look at somebody's stuff and be like, okay, that is like a tried and true something. And they absolutely love it and they gave me all the feedback on it and that's why I'm gonna spend my money.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Like, I did a video this morning on this, like little half sip that I bought. This is from TikTok, which I think can also be purchased on Amazon. And I literally said in the video, I don't love it. The quality is not great and I probably wouldn't recommend it. But if you bought it, like, here's how I styled it kind of thing. I'm not recommending this to people. I'm gonna link it in case you.

[Kael Lowry]

Like it because I feel like it is giving, like credible. Like you bought, you spent your money on it, you tried it and you told everybody, like, like, yes, I have it, but I would not recommend buying it.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Like, if you want the cheetah print, go ahead. If you have the perfect shoes you want to wear with it, go ahead. But am I recommending it because of the quality or the durability or the sustainability? No, this is going to be washed twice and probably fall apart.

[Kael Lowry]

And on that note, we have to all play.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

My son is almost four months. However, our first night home from the hospital was a shitty one. In the hospital and in all the pregnancy Facebook groups everyone was preaching, quote, don't stop your stool softeners. End quote. Whatever you do, don't stop your stool stoff nurse. So I decided to listen and try to avoid learning the hard way. Well, that didn't pan out. As I'm doing a middle of the night feeding, just sitting in my rocker passed down from my mom and was gifted to her by my great great grandfather. The just starts pouring out and I mean it won't stop coming. I've nursed a three day old baby. I just can't stop and clean up. So I have to sit in it until he's done and I can put him back in his bassinet. I didn't wake up his dad as I was exclusively nursing at that time. Time I finally got him back down and spent an entire hour cleaning myself. Not the reason I expected to need my upside down Perry bottle, but I'm so happy I had it. Turns out they had already given me my dose of stool softeners before leaving the hospital that day. He doubled my dose by accident. Thank God for the adult diaper. It kept everything contained while I finished nursing and saved the rocking chair that was passed down to me. P.S. this was then my boyfriend's favorite story to tell when people came to visit our baby. I know you both have a lot going on right now, so I'm hoping this brought a little laugh or two. Keep your heads up and the kitty gang loves you guys. I'm fucking crying because that would be something that happens to me.

[Kael Lowry]

Okay, I do have to like give this little story. When I had Jackson, one of the requirements for me to leave that hospital was to take a. Yep.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Told Kristen that the other day.

[Kael Lowry]

Well, I lied and said I should. Yeah, same because I was not staying there any longer than I had already been there.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

No matter of fact, if you need me to shit so bad, come suck it the fuck out of my ass because I'm getting up out of this bitch.

[Kael Lowry]

Like I need. I need to leave and I need to go home and I need to shower in my shower and I need to have my baby at my house. So I'm taking a stool softener and nothing's happening. Like days later, nothing's happening. Please tell me why the first shit after birth was worse than the pain of giving Birth. Did it feel like razor blades on my asshole?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yes. Literally? Yes. Oh my. It felt like my asshole was ripping.

[Kael Lowry]

Yes. And I do not know, like, why is that?

[Lindsey Chrisley]

I don't know. I don't understand. Especially because, like. Well, I don't know about you. Do you have to take stool softeners for several days before it ever does something to you?

[Kael Lowry]

Oh, no. I had a recent incident where I hadn't shit in like seven days. Took a stool softener and do you know that they now have like the. Have you ever had like chewable toms? Like the two kind. They now have like stool softeners that are chewable and it tastes like candy. I took a couple of those and I shit within probably like four hours.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Well, I went to the GI doctor about two weeks ago and she prescribed me things. I don't plan on taking those until I'm gonna be home for several days because I don't know what will happen to me because I either don't for days at a time or I'm shitting myself. And so I can't take any of that until I know I'm gonna be home for a while.

[Kael Lowry]

Kristen said, is your shit spiky or something? Like, no, I don't know what, what it is like that first, after giving birth, when I tell you this is no exaggeration, Will checked on me probably 10 times. I was in the bathroom for three hours. Three hours.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Because it hurts.

[Kael Lowry]

It feels like a razor blade cutting through every crevice of your asshole.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

Yep. Like someone is just slicing right up your crack.

[Kael Lowry]

But I did not experience the, the ship pouring out situation and I'm really.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

That sounds better than razor blades in my ass.

[Kael Lowry]

It absolutely does. And on that note, we have a special eight year anniversary collection that is now available for all of you. We are so grateful for each and every one of you that has supported us along the way and you can find this special collection@coffeeconvo podcast.com thank you guys for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple podcast app, follow and rate on Spotify or listen wherever you get your pods. For our latest merch, visit CoffeeConvostPodcast.com to shop full video episodes are available on Kale's Patreon at Patreon.com kayllowery don't forget to follow us on Instagram and join our Facebook group to connect with us and our community. We hope that you guys have a great, great week and we'll talk to you soon.

[Lindsey Chrisley]

See ya.

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