Natural Consequences, Co-Parenting Guilt, and the Anxiety of Sharing

Summary

Coffee Convos Podcast with Kail Lowry & Lindsie Chrisley

Episode: Natural Consequences, Co-Parenting Guilt, and the Anxiety of Sharing
Date: November 26, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this candid episode, Kail and Lindsie dive into the real-life complexities of parenting, co-parenting, family logistics, and shared anxieties about motherhood in blended families. Through personal stories, laughter, and raw honesty, they unpack topics like managing kids' stuff, natural consequences, schoolwork woes, co-parenting guilt, and the emotional aftermath of divorces and breakups. They also get real about the anxiety of "sharing" their children, flexible parenting as kids grow older, and the bittersweet realities of non-traditional families.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dealing with Kids’ Stuff: Losing, Labeling, and Replacing (03:31 – 09:49)

• Kail and Lindsie discuss the ongoing dilemma of kids losing items like water bottles and sweatshirts. Lindsie expresses frustration about how expensive it gets and details her solution of only buying tiny water bottles to reduce loss and waste.
• Kail elaborates on her "natural consequence" approach: If something is lost, the child goes without, or gets a Walmart hoodie instead of an expensive Nike one.
• Notable Moment: Both hosts admit their own struggles as kids and moms with losing things.
  • Lindsie: "If you lost it, then you don't have a sweatshirt. Okay." (04:42)
  • Kail: "My kids aren't losing stuff at school; they're losing stuff at home." (06:35)

Memorable Moment (03:26)

• Kail tells how her kids drink from water bottles by putting the whole thing in their mouth, and Lindsie shares a horror story about backwash and floaties in a Gatorade.

2. Natural Consequences & Parenting Decisions (05:17 – 09:49)

• Lindsie stands firm on not continually buying things her son loses, backing up her stance with practical examples and refusing to coddle: "You're gonna go to school cold. Natural consequence." (06:15)
• Kail recalls the chaos in her own home with many kids and the impossibility of always tracking belongings.

3. The Shorts-in-Winter Paradox (09:01 – 10:33)

• Kail and Lindsie bond over how their boys insist on wearing shorts all year, regardless of weather, and how they’ve compromised with tights or layering.
• Lindsie: "If you think I'm arguing with you to put on a pair of pants, I'm not." (09:34)

4. Schoolwork, Homework, and Parental Guilt (10:33 – 16:48)

• Kail shares a vulnerable moment where "helping" her son Lincoln with homework actually hurt his grades—she changed right answers to wrong ones.
  • Kail: "Two times. Not once. Two times. He's like, 'Hey, can you check this before I submit it?' Yeah, no problem. Two times. My kid failed." (11:24)
• Lindsie relates, revealing how helping with homework is far harder now due to curriculum changes and online submissions. Both reminisce about their struggles with math and history in school.

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5. Sports Gear, Hand-Me-Downs, and Splitting Stuff (18:47 – 24:32)

• Kail talks about trying—and mostly failing—to reuse and pass down sports equipment, especially with so many kids. She laughs about the awkwardness of asking for cleats back from a family friend.
• Lindsie shares the misery of discovering the stench of preteen/teen boy shoes in her car: "When I put it to my nose, I was like, these immediately need to be thrown away." (21:07)
• They debate whether it's worth it to have gear travel between houses, buy multiples, or request extra uniforms for split custody situations.

6. Co-Parenting Logistics in Split Households (21:37 – 25:17)

• Kail describes her system for sharing sports clothing between co-parents, difficulties in getting things returned, and why she buys multiples or requests extra uniforms.
• Lindsie reflects on how proximity makes her situation with her ex easier, but acknowledges it's not as simple for families living far apart or juggling many kids.

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7. Sharing Kids Between Households: Guilt & Anxiety (28:03 – 40:38)

Co-Parenting Guilt & Realizations (28:03 – 33:44)

• Kail opens up about the guilt of "creating four broken homes" and how, in hindsight, she wishes she’d chosen differently in some relationships, but never regrets her children.

  • Notable Quote (31:20):

    Kail: "I don't regret my children. I don't regret any of them ... I had no business having any children with Chris, and truly no business having any children with Elijah either."

• Lindsie and Kail both reflect on jumping into relationships too quickly after divorces, and how healing first could have helped.

  • Lindsie: "I think I would have definitely given myself time post-divorce to really, like, truly heal the parts of me that needed to be healed from being married." (32:38)

The Anxiety of Sharing & Custody Schedules (37:21 – 41:13)

• Both moms get honest about the pain and anxiety of "sharing" their kids with exes, feeling incomplete when their children are gone, and the struggle of letting go for their child's happiness.

  • Lindsie (38:13):

    "My anxiety when he's not at this house ... I can't sleep without him in the house."

• Kail shares feelings about now having some of her kids full-time, but still wrestling with hard weekends when they go to their dads.

• As children get older, both women agree, custody arrangements must become more flexible to fit the kids’ needs and desires—even if it’s emotionally hard for parents.

  • Kail: "50/50, the older they get, that doesn't work for us. Like, for Elliot himself ... 50/50 is not ideal. He does not want to settle down at one of our houses and then get up a week later and have to go to the other." (43:11)
  • Lindsie: "If Jackson ever decided, 'Oh, I'm going to, like, stay at dad's house more days than I'm gonna stay with mom,' ... I would honor it because I feel like he's the most important part of the equation." (47:59)

Sibling Relationships & Long Distance Decisions (51:56 – 54:03)

• Kail brings up Bristol Palin’s public post about her son moving to Alaska, using it as an example of honoring children’s needs even when it’s heartbreaking for the parent.

  • Kail: "Like, to me, that was such good parenting ... It would suck and it would hurt, but, like, at some point I would have to be like, okay, like, I get it." (48:45)

• They note the immense importance of sibling bonds and how these must be considered in custody arrangements.

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8. Book Discussion: Regretting You and More (54:23 – 58:35)

• Kail and Lindsie discuss movie adaptations of books like Regretting You and It Ends With Us—agreeing that while adaptations are enjoyable, they're sometimes choppy compared to major film productions.

  • Kail: "It feels like It Ends With Us and Regretting You both had very choppy, like, this happened and then this happened." (56:08)

• They also talk about the emotional depth and drama in these stories, and Kail gets excited for Reminders of Him.

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9. Foul Play Story: Thanksgiving Gone High (59:32 – 61:56)

• Listener-submitted "foul play" story about a Thanksgiving gone awry when a friend overindulges in edibles before going to the family dinner, culminating in an accidental branding on the arm from a stove burner and a family cover blown.

  • Lindsie: "There’s certain things that we don’t need to do—when going to our grandparents' house and causing a disaster on Thanksgiving, because we’re high, is just like one of those things." (61:04)

  • Kail: "It would not be a fun time to see Kail high, like, it just wouldn’t." (61:56)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Natural Consequences for Kids:
  • "You're gonna go to school cold. Natural consequence." — Lindsie (06:15)
• Homework Gone Wrong:
  • "Two times. Not once. Two times. He's like, 'Hey, can you check this before I submit it?' Yeah, no problem. Two times. My kid failed." — Kail (11:24)
• Motherhood Regret Nuance:
  • "I don't regret my children... I had no business having any children with Chris, and truly no business having any children with Elijah either." — Kail (31:20)
• Co-Parenting Guilt:
  • "Like, I made my life harder, their life harder... But I think in during that time, like, I just wanted a family, and I just wanted to be loved, and I wanted to be a wife..." — Kail (31:30)
• Anxiety About Kids Leaving:
  • "My anxiety when he's not at this house... I can't sleep without him in the house." — Lindsie (38:13)
• Reflection on Flexible Parenting:
  • "It's not about battling with Will for time. It's about making sure that my child is fulfilled and where he wants to be." — Lindsie (47:59)
• Sibling Relationships & Heartbreak:
  • "Siblings have to be considered heavily on both sides. That’s tough." — Kail (51:57)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Kids’ Stuff, Losing, & Labeling: 03:31 – 09:49
• Natural Consequences in Parenting: 05:17 – 09:49
• Homework Failures & Schoolwork: 10:33 – 16:48
• Sports Gear & Hand-Me-Downs: 18:47 – 24:32
• Co-Parenting Logistics: 21:37 – 25:17
• Guilt and Co-parenting Regret: 28:03 – 33:44
• Anxiety Sharing Kids: 37:21 – 41:13
• Teen Choice, Flexibility in Schedule: 44:25 – 47:59
• Book & Movie Adaptations: 54:23 – 58:35
• Foul Play Story – Thanksgiving High: 59:32 – 61:56

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Takeaways

• Honesty and Relatability: Both Kail and Lindsie openly share their failures, insecurities, and hard-earned wisdom as moms navigating non-traditional family structures.
• Natural Consequences Work: Letting kids experience the repercussions of losing things (fewer water bottles, cheaper sweatshirts) leads to learning.
• Parenting is Messy and Requires Flexibility: Especially as kids age and develop their own needs, wants, and schedules.
• Guilt is Real in Co-Parenting: Regrets about relationships and family structures are balanced by unconditional love for their children.
• Anxiety of Sharing is Universal: Many parents struggle with time away from their children, but learn to prioritize the well-being of their kids above their own feelings.
• Bittersweet Humor: Despite the chaos, mistakes, and mom-guilt, both hosts find laughter and even some joy in the madness.

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This episode is raw, heartfelt, and will resonate with anyone hustling through the real challenges of motherhood, blended families, and self-forgiveness.

Transcript

[A]

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[C]

Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you.

[B]

This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsay Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels. Kale.

[C]

That does not interest me whatsoever.

[B]

I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore.

[C]

There's a fakery bakery around here.

[B]

Here's Kaylin Lindsay. Good morning, kitty cat.

[C]

Good morning.

[B]

Are we hydrating with. You know what's so interesting to me is that you have a tiny essentia.

[C]

Normally I have the big ones.

[B]

I know. And you don't drink them.

[C]

So I'm like, let me see if I'll drink a full. I normally won't drink water unless I have a Stanley.

[B]

This is what you need a man for to get into a tiny Gatorade. I refuse. I refuse to buy the large Gatorades because they will be six or seven. Half drink Gatorades in my house and nothing chaps my ass more than to see like waste and then you don't know who it belongs to so then you throw it away. So no, we just do like the mini. I've spilled this like everywhere. If you are a Gatorade drinker, I like the Gatorade Zeros. The best flavor don't come for me. It's the apple burst.

[C]

I've never had that flavor. I'm not a Gatorade girly. We don't really buy Gatorade. But to your point about the Half drinking, half drunk stuff. If it's water at our house, because I get like the 16 ounce water bottles, like Deer park or whatever. If I don't know who it belongs to. We either put it in the dog bowl of water or I'll put it in my plants.

[B]

Because that's a good idea.

[C]

Yeah. Because like, I don't want it to go to waste. But I'm not drinking off of I don't know what friends it belongs to. Which k backwashed of my own child. Children. Like, it's just not. I'm not doing it. So I either put it in the.

[B]

Dog bowl or I learned my lesson about putting half drink Gatorades in the refrigerator because Jackson and I like the same flavor. So I did this one time and I was recording for the Southern tea and I go to drink it hits my throat and there's a floaty no. And it did not belong to me. Like, I don't backwash. How many people have kids that like put the whole thing in their mouth like this?

[C]

Creed literally just did that last night. And I was like, what in the actual.

[B]

Like, that's not how you drink.

[C]

If for whatever reason, the kids don't use. Because we are big reusable water bottle people. Like, we have tons of Stanley's tons of water bottles. Like, fill it up with the fridge. Like, I don't buy cases of water like I used to. I used to buy them way more often. But we're big reusable water bottle. If for whatever reason, we are not using a reusable water bottle on a given day, I peel the label off of the like, if it's Deer park or like a store brand water bottle, I peel the label off. So they know that when they go to their game or their sports practice that the one without the label is theirs. Because other people might have the same water bottle. So I always just peel it off.

[B]

Okay, I need to get into a big conversation about kids losing stuff. Do you have any children that lose everything that they own?

[C]

All of them.

[B]

I was not a kid like that. Like, I kept up with my stuff. I would have been afraid to like not come home with what I went to school with. And I don't know if that's like 90s kids and we were just raised like that. I mean, we weren't getting like six sweatshirts at the beginning of the year. It was like, no, you got like a Gap sweatshirt and that's what you wore.

[D]

Right.

[B]

So if you lost it, then you don't have a sweatshirt. Okay. I am a big Dick's Sporting Goods purchaser. Same Dick Sporting Goods loves to see me coming. Okay. Yep, Jackson is very specific. He wants very plain clothes, but he wants Nike.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Nike sweatshirts are 60 or $65 a pop. Okay. I went upstairs to take inventory on his closet after I realized that we were down to, like, two sweatshirts. Kristen said, we need to film y' all going into Dick's for a hall together. Like, yes, we should. We're down to two or three sweatshirts in the closet. And I'm like, I know that I've spent hundreds of dollars on sweatshirts. So I immediately call Will, and I'm like, stop hoarding my sweatshirts and give them back. He's like, I literally have one pink Nike sweatshirt here. Like, I don't know what you're talking about. Please tell me why we leave the house with a sweatshirt every single day. A Nike sweatshirt, 60 or $65. And in one given week, we have not come home with sweatshirts. On four days, we have lost a lunchbox somewhere between getting out at the school and getting off the bus. I am also sick and tired of buying water bottles that do not come home either. So I now am buying tiny water bottles, and he's going to school with tiny water bottles. Because if you can't keep up with your. If you think that I'm. Number one, you're gonna go to school cold. Natural consequence. Number two, you're gonna go to school with this much water to drink all day. Because if you think I'm with you, I'm not.

[C]

I just want to say that Jackson and I have this in common. I. That Jackson is me. I am Jackson. My kids aren't losing stuff at school. They're losing stuff at home. Like, they're just. We're home. We don't know where Lux's basketball jersey is. We used it for the first game. Have no idea where it is. It's gone. It's in the abyss, somewhere in the ether. I don't know.

[B]

I can kind of understand that with seven children where, like, things would get misplaced or maybe, like, a little bit unorganized at the house, and it might have possibly ended up in somebody else's room, and you'll probably eventually find it, but there is absolutely no excuse in this household with one child why we're losing four sweatshirts in one week.

[C]

No, that is diabolical. But to be fair, I'm gonna play devil's advocate here, okay? Is it possible that other children at school. Because Dick Sporting goods, playing Nike Check. That is literally Lincoln all day. I bought him two for birthday in two different colors. Is it possible that other kids think that it's theirs and take it home and it really isn't Jackson's fault four.

[B]

Different times in the same week? No, nobody did that. And one of these sweatshirts specifically was a, like, fanatics, like Panthers 1. So that was probably, like, $75. So now I'm going broke trying to keep you warm.

[C]

Natural consequence is now you're getting a plain hoodie from Walmart. That is probably. I could get pay for all five, four or five of them for the cost of one at dick. So now that's what you're going to wear.

[B]

Will said that Jackson loses so much stuff at his house that he is convinced that if he, like, wouldn't get in trouble for not having a T shirt on, that also would be missing. It's like, what are you doing at school?

[C]

Like, Lux and Creed would go to school with no shirt on at all if they could. So to Will's point, Lux and Creed would walk around here naked if they could. Not naked, but, like, in boxers and shorts or whatever they've been. Listen, I've been having to convince my children, specifically Lux and Creed, they have been dying to wear shorts out of the house. It's 50 degrees outside, and they're trying to go to school with shorts on. So, no, if you want to wear shorts, you got to wear tights underneath. Okay? That's where we're at.

[B]

That's so funny that you bring that up, because I feel like boys want to wear shorts all year long. Like, it's a. And here's the thing. Like, I was with somebody for over a decade that also wore shorts all year long. But this was before it was, like, cool to wear the socks. Like, the high socks. Just, like, straight up, ashy legs, like, shorts all year long. You'll see him in shorts in February, March, freezing outside. Now he's gonna have, like, coverage on the top.

[C]

Yeah, but the legs are bare.

[B]

But the legs are bare. If you think I'm arguing with you to put on a pair of pants, I'm not. So just wear the shorts. And if you want to look like a fool getting out in carpool because you're wearing shorts. But the problem is, is, like, everybody else looks like a fool too, because you're all doing it.

[C]

Yeah, they're all doing it. So that's why I'm like, I don't care, but I just don't. I mainly make Them put on the tights, and they'll. Sometimes they'll just come down the stairs with the tights under the shorts, but they want to wear the shorts. And I'm like, I don't. What is this? I don't want to feel like dealing with the dad. You know what I mean? Like, please do not text me about what my son is wearing. School. He's got a coat. He's got a hat. He's got gloves. If he wants to wear shorts, I'm not arguing, like, please get a grip. But speaking of kids in school, I need to tell you, I Up. Okay, so Lincoln is now. Lincoln's a great kid. He does not give me a hard time about pretty much anything. He has been coming home and asking me to check his homework before he submits it. Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

And Javi and I have both emailed the school because the reading comprehension and some of the assignments, they're difficult. From fifth grade curriculum to sixth grade curriculum. It's. It's pretty challenging.

[B]

It is.

[C]

It's a big jump. So, you know, the teacher was like, you know, that's to be expected. A lot of the kids are, you know, it's challenging for them. It's supposed to, you know, be, you know, critical thinking and things like that. Great. Love that. Love to hear it. I tell Lincoln, hey, you know, I know it's challenging right now. If you need help with something, you know, feel free to ask me. Like, I'm willing to help. Like, I'm here to help. Yeah, sounds good, Mom. Sounds good. Two times. Not once. Two times. He's like, hey, can you check this before I submit it? Yeah, no problem. Two times. I got. My kid failed. Okay.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

He has all of the quizzes filled out. There's a quiz for each of these things. It was two different assignments. The first one, I'm like, I don't think these are right. Like, I think you need to go back and, like, change your answer. Okay. So he changes the answers that he already had, and he failed. The original answers that he had were correct. The second time I'm reading, and I changed the answers, and I'm like, do you want to stick with your answer, or do you want me to change what. What I think they are? And he's like, you can change what you think they are to what they. You think they are.

[B]

He would have gotten.

[C]

He would have gotten an 80%, and he got a 60 because I changed answers.

[B]

You know, it's so interesting to me because when we were growing up, I feel like it wasn't common practice for parents to like help as much with homework and like school assignments as maybe like a project, like a book report or something, but not like the daily school assignments. And now everything is online so it's basically like grading it right there. I have had that actual same experience before and I'm like, okay, I actually have no business being a part of this because I'm not in sixth grade and I don't know how to do this. This is not like this is not how it was taught. This is. I don't even know how to do this. I don't even know what I'm looking at.

[D]

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[C]

I like the math don't ask me for math help. Actually, don't ask any of the dads for math help, because we're all horrible. All four of them, plus me, are horrible at math, and if they try to tell you otherwise, they're lying to you.

[B]

I have to buy you a tutor, because I can't.

[C]

No, I'm not math. Don't even ask me. I will literally hire a tutor. But the. I was surprised by the. Because I am a reader, and it was like reading the excerpt, which I would read the whole thing. And I believe that the answer, the multiple choice ones that were asked, could have been his answer or my answer. And so that's why I went with. I asked him, can I put, you know, what do you want? And he was like, you can change it, I thought. And then after I realized that I got them wrong, I was like, okay. I guess I could see how both of them could fit, but both of them could fit. So I just. I feel like if you're gonna do that where, like, a parent is helping, and there's two possible answers. Like, make sure they're both. They both could be marked correctly. Like, I don't. I'm not a stupid person. And, like, when it comes to stuff like that, I feel like I'm good at reading comprehension. Like, if you even ask Emily, she doesn't remember anything after she's done reading it, and she'll tell you that. But for some reason, I have really. Kale was fucking punching the damn. I was shook. I was like, I don't understand how I got. Like, I genuinely didn't understand.

[B]

I will tell you. I tell Jackson, hey, we have to do X, Y and Z assignments. And sometimes it'll be like, he doesn't really ask me for help ever with his English class.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

It's more like social studies and science. Yeah, I failed history multiple times. Like, don't ask me for help in social studies.

[C]

Oh, like, you failed your own? Yes.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Fascinating to me because, like, I have so many issues with the public school system. But, like, also, I, like, look back and I'm like, honestly, I love history so much now as an adult that I did not appreciate it at that time. And, like, if I was to take those history classes now, I would probably not even really have to study. I would just know by reading a couple times. But, like, back then, I, like, would not have appreciated it, and I didn't, and I was not good at it at all.

[B]

It's like, when you pulled out the map, that was my sign to exit.

[C]

I'll never forget when I first graduated high school, went to community college. First I took an accounting 101 class. I know it's not social studies. I sat for a few minutes and I got up and left.

[B]

Like, accounting was so easy for me.

[C]

Have you lost your mind?

[B]

No. Like, I got 2/100 in accounting in college. And that was like the weed out program for the business school. So anybody trying to get into business classes, you had to take two accounting classes ahead of that and have a certain grade in said accounting to qualify to even register for the business classes. Will was going to be a business major until he couldn't pass accounting. And then he was like, I'm just going to be an econ major because, like, I can't do it. It was so easy for me. And then my history classes and stuff that I took in college, I also made hundreds in those. And it's like, how did I just, like miss the boat?

[C]

In high school, I had to switch from dental hygiene because I couldn't pass chem. Chem is my worst nightmare. If I was to go back into any sort of schooling and had to take chem, she would have been a great dentist. Okay, I would have to start school with the chem class by itself. Like, I would not, because I would have to be able to have the time to go to tutoring and do all of that. Like, to this day, I don't think that anything that involves math is a good option for me whatsoever.

[B]

Like any sort of math, including budget.

[C]

A lot of my spending at the current moment is Dick sporting goods and books. But the dick sporting goods stuff is never just to have it. It's like serving a purpose.

[B]

Well, like a sports purpose, usually a.

[C]

Sports purchase purpose because all my kids are in sports right now. But also, like, it's cold outside because there's 99 sports. That's the other thing. It's like my kids are in so many sports. And then I have also been, I think it was like August. Sometime in August, I went through all the cleats and shoes that were gently used that could be passed down to the kids. However, we're in a season of life right now where the hand me downs don't quite fit the younger kids just yet. So we have to buy more stuff because we don't have. And then also I'm like, more flexible with like. So like, Emily texted me and was like, hey, do you have cleats in this size for Nash, like her son? And for me, I'm like, okay, yes, I Have the cleats. So I'll give them to her. They're too big for Creed, but too small for Lux. And then she doesn't have any boys after that. So I'm like, is it wrong for me if I ask for them back? So then Creed could wear them next season because they're still in pretty good condition. Like, is that fucked up?

[B]

Okay, now this is getting me down a whole different rabbit hole. At what point do your kids feet start stinking? Because that. Would you take back cleats that somebody else, like, sweated in? And then they. It smells like athlete feet.

[C]

So flag football was like eight weeks, and they really weren't like. It wasn't like tackle football. You know what I mean? Like, it was like flag football. That's like. And you have them on for 45 minutes, then call it a day. So I'm like, it's not that, like, now if you're like, Lincoln's age. Lincoln's like 12. And you know that to me, I'm like, no.

[B]

I just feel like I would never, at this point, offer Jackson shoes to anybody, because I was in. I go to get my car the other day, and I'm like, what the is that smell? I'm like, something's rotted in here. So I'm looking all around the car, and the only thing that's in there is a pair of tennis shoes.

[C]

It's the tennis shoes.

[B]

Kale. When I put it to my nose, I was like, these immediately need to be thrown away.

[C]

No, I literally experienced the same thing when I cleaned out my car.

[B]

But how does that happen? Like, drunk.

[C]

They were in the trunk, and they smelled so bad that I thought it was rotting food.

[B]

That's what I thought it was. I was like, something fell out of a grocery bag, like, in here, and it smells that bad. And when I. Oh, my God, when I put it.

[C]

No question for you. As a split household, do you like. So Jackson's in basketball. He has basketball ear when he's with you. He has basketball when he's with Will. Are you guys each buying your own sets of basketball shoes and, like, whatever he wears to basketball, or are you taking this stuff back and forth?

[B]

Basketball. Since he only plays one sport now, I always drop off. So, like, if Will's going to get him for the weekend and I know that he'll have him for the game, then I always drop off on Friday after I drop him off at school, I'll just put the stuff in Will's.

[C]

Mailbox because right now I'm in a place where.

[B]

But I feel like your situation's different because y' all don't live as close in proximity as we do. I just feel like your situation, your multiple situations are very different.

[C]

So Creed has soccer on Fridays, and every other Friday he goes with Chris. So I, in the past have had an issue with getting things returned to me. So I started requesting two jerseys. Like, I'll pay for the extra jersey or whatever. So he had soccer last Friday. I packed an extra jersey. And you like cleats that we have that are not like the new cleats that I bought him, but cleats from a previous season that are gently used. He ended up not taking him to soccer at all, but I sent that stuff with him because I was like, I don't know, like, what the plan is or whatever. With Lincoln, I know that Javi is going to take them, and I know that Javi is going to have all the stuff over there. So Lincoln stuff doesn't go back and forth with Lux and Creed, I do have to send stuff with, and it's just challenging. But also, in my own household, I am having to buy multiple sets of things because I can't afford to get to basketball practice. And you don't have your basketball shoes on. So getting them in the habit of taking things off in the car and leaving them there or having a pair at home and then an extra pair, even if they're gent like. Like more rough. Maybe they were from last season, leaving them in the car in case they forget, if that makes sense.

[B]

Jackson's basketball shoes, he normally, like, gets a pair at the beginning of basketball season, and then he wears those for the entire basketball season, like, that specific pair. And then we allow him to wear them, like, whenever. Otherwise, like in season, he's only wearing those shoes for basketball. And we just buy one pair. So sometimes Will buys it, sometimes I buy it, don't really care. And so those shoes go with that uniform to each of our houses.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

We've never had an issue with it, but some people have a big issue with, you know, not wanting to deal with it. So they order the extra uniform. I know some leagues don't even offer, like, the option for extra uniforms.

[C]

So we, like, I told you on the last episode, we lost Lux's. What happened was I remember seeing it in his closet, and I was doing a closet, like, donation situation. I do believe I accidentally put it in the donation pile. Like, I just, like, was. It was like, a brainless situation. I asked multiple times the league does not offer even the option to get a second jersey. So he literally just has to wear a red shirt and that was completely my fault. But a lot of times for Lux and Creed, I will just order the second jersey right off the bat.

[D]

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[B]

Do all the leagues like in your area? Like do you order the uniforms and stuff like online and then you can select like one or two or you have to go to coach specifically Both.

[C]

So certain things is you can go, right? You could tell the coach or you tell like the email the league and they'll let you pay for an extra one. For soccer specifically, we had to order the uniform separate from the registration fee. So soccer is more like ordering separate online. But then some of the, like, rec leagues are like, you'd have to ask and then pay for it, which is.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, we live so close in proximity, that doesn't bother me. But I also. You said that you sent stuff with one of the boys to their dads. How do we feel about sending, like, clothes back and forth and like, stuff through a school backpack? Because I just feel like it's bad enough that we're not together and I don't want you to ever, like, open your backpack at school and your friends see that stuff and be like, why is that in there?

[C]

I had some feelings about was the first time I had ever done it so far sending the jersey and the cleats to school because it was a Friday and Chris technically doesn't get them until six. But on that particular Friday, I think I was supposed to go to Texas for my dad's memorial. And then I didn't end up going, but I didn't want to change the plans with Chris, so I just allowed him to just still get them from school anyway. And it was the first time I'd ever done that. Done it. It does make me uncomfortable. I also just don't like sending stuff back and forth regardless. Like, I am not sending you to your dad if you like, I don't care if you get your kids once a month or you get your kids every other week or you get your kids all summer. You're the other parent. Make sure they have everything they need. I'm not sending my. My stuff from my house. Not because I don't want you to have it, but simply because your home should be my child's home and they should have whatever they need without having to bring it from my house to your house. So I don't give a how much time you have your kids. You need to have everything for them all the time. You said something about like, we're not together in the first place. Like, that's bad enough. And that's something that has been on my mind for the past. I would say, like, week or so. Maybe like two weeks. Is that you and someone else that I know, they sort of like, we'll say we'll call it learned the first time. And I sat here and literally created four broken Homes. And that's been something that I struggle. I've been struggling with for the past, like, week or two weeks, because I'm, like, in a different way. Like, obviously, I've always known that I have four baby dads. Right? Like, that's something that we can't ignore. But I never looked at it in a way that's like, I created this. Like, I did that I didn't learn the first time, the second time, the third time, or the fourth time.

[B]

Do you feel like I already know the answer to this, but I have to ask, would you do it any differently if you could go back and redo it?

[C]

Well, see, that is a hard question to answer, because I don't regret my children. I don't regret any of them. I don't regret having seven of them. I don't regret any of them in any way, shape, or form. I think the only way for me to answer this in the way that I hope comes out the way that I mean it is that I had no business having any children with Chris, and truly no business having any children with Elijah either. So I think that at the point that I was married and divorced and then got pregnant right away, I had no business doing that. Like, I should have waited until I knew that I was in a secure relationship, got married again if I wanted to do that, and then continue to have children, Like, I almost cannot believe that I did this. Does that make sense? Like, I don't know.

[B]

It makes so much sense. And I. I think I very much understand what you're saying when you say you don't regret any of your kids, but you might regret certain situations.

[C]

Yeah, Like, I made my life harder, their life harder. But I think the, like, in the. In, during that time, like, I just wanted a family, and I just wanted to be loved, and I wanted to be a wife, and I wanted to be all of things. And I think I was living in this. Like, I was, like, over romanticizing the Chris situation. And then I do think that maybe the situation with Elijah would have turned out differently if certain things didn't occur. But I. Like, I've been really thinking about that. It's like. But I also look back and I'm like, but I got married and divorced. So then I was in a relationship where someone was saying something to me and then didn't follow through. So was it, like, the both of us up, not just me or just him?

[B]

So I actually just had a conversation with Kristen on the Southern T about this, and if I had to do it, all over again. I think I would have definitely given myself time post divorce to really, like, truly heal the parts of me that needed to be healed from being married.

[C]

Agreed.

[B]

And I think that when you become a wife, that changes a lot of things. And I'm not saying I was the best wife. I'm not saying he was the best husband, But I think that just changed my mindset on a lot of things. Just, like, the way that I thought about stuff as a wife. So then when I got into other relationships, it's almost like you want to be a wife so bad again that you're almost overlooking some of the red flags, and you're. You're trying to, like, make it fit and make it work.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because the desire is to, like, have that consistency back to, you know, be that. Be in that role of a wife, and you just can't move on too fast. And I think that that's probably a little bit of what happened to you. I think that you, you know, saw potential in somebody. And then I've said, if Kale has sex one time, she has a kid.

[C]

Up.

[B]

I mean, people. And I hope that I'm allowed to say this, but, like, Kale has seven kids, and I think she literally had sex, like, six times to get them.

[C]

I literally. I just think that's so fun. Like, people really think I'm a. And I'm like, no, these are, like, most of the people I slept with.

[B]

You know what I mean? Like, it's so. It's so crazy. I feel like if. I feel like you have to be ovulating at least 30 days out of the week. I mean, 30 days out of the month. Imagine every single time that I've known that you have gotten with somebody, I immediately know you're getting pregnant.

[C]

Well, not anymore. I have to go do the work now.

[B]

Kristen said, you just cut souvenirs.

[C]

Like, I wish that the kid was immaculate. Conception, actually. But the craziest part of it all is I had secondary infertility after Lincoln was born, which is the whole reason why I got surgery and everything else. It's so frustrating.

[B]

Was like, wait, you got surgery?

[C]

Well, I had the mommy makeover.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Shout out to Dr. Amobi. He looked at me dead in the face and was like, kale, there are people in their 40s trying to get pregnant for their first time. And you have two healthy children, two healthy boys. Like, if you don't get pregnant, like, basically be happy with what you got. And at that time, I was like, yeah, you're fucking right. Like, you're right. And I listened to him and I got this. I. He didn't tell me to go get the surgery, but he was basically like, be happy with what you have. And I respected him then. I still respect him for saying it, but how do I go from secondary infertility back to back miscarriages to five more children?

[B]

You know what? I don't know.

[C]

I didn't even want kids, Lindsay.

[B]

No, I know. Which is the wildest thing. Somebody did not want kids that, like, just had seven. Like, what?

[C]

Seven plus the baby.

[B]

And, like, I wanted to have a baby so bad. Like, it was a childhood dream, like.

[C]

To be a mom.

[B]

I used to. To be a mom. Like, I wanted to be a mom and a waitress. Like, I don't know why I wanted to be a waitress, but waitress. Like, that was gonna be my life. And I wanted to have a little boy, and I had him, and I wanted him so badly. And then to hear somebody say I didn't even want kids and then had seven.

[C]

No, but I love it here. Like, I don't know what I would like to think about my life as an empty nester. Stresses me out, because what would I be doing with my life without my children?

[B]

I mean, at this point, I don't know. And I couldn't even imagine it. So I'm not even going to try to guess, like, hypotheticals of what you would be doing. But back to what you were saying. So you feel a sense of guilt for creating those situations and then not being together with any of them.

[C]

Like, this is gonna sound up. Like, if I could have all of my children by a donor. Like, the same exact children. Because I love having all my. Like, I don't. I don't regret any of them. I don't regret how many of them. I don't regret any of it. It's stressful, chaotic, and all of the things, but I literally thrive in it. I don't know. I just wish that I didn't create, because if it was a donor, for example, there would be no broken homes, right? Like, they wouldn't know any different other than my home. So I just feel like, in that way, like, that makes sense, but, like, I actually created, like, literal broken homes not once, not twice, not three times, but literally four times.

[B]

Do you feel like you have a hard time sharing them?

[C]

Yes. Like, and what's fucked up about that is it's also nuanced, right? Like, I. Now that I have Lincoln, Lux, and Creed, virtually full time. Okay. Like, we're mostly full Time. There are some, you know, like this coming weekend, I don't have any of my kids. And so, like, that is a break that I desperately need. But it's also not enough because it's. It literally ends up being, I want to say, like 36 hours of child free time.

[B]

I have a really hard time and it's not necessarily sharing. It's the. Like last night, this is the text that I sent Will. I said, I can't sleep without him in this house. I'm probably going to have to get medicated or something. I've been worried all day.

[C]

Like, worried about Jackson.

[B]

Yeah. Like, I just. My anxiety when he's not at this house, like on my days. I know he's fine and I know he's well taken care of and I know that I have to share, but I very much just struggle with the idea of, okay, now he's with him for the next two days and I'm not gonna see him and I can't sleep without him in the house.

[D]

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[C]

See, I also understand that, too. Like, the other night, Elliot had his play at school, and the closing night of the play, he. There was like an after party and stuff like that, and I was like, I can't go to sleep until I know how he's getting home or, like, where he is or, like, whatever. So, like, I do understand that as well. I just the. I used to say I have the best of both worlds because I would have the kids and then they would go to their dads, and they were happy over there, but as time is going on there, some of them are not happy going over to their dad's house. And that stresses me out.

[B]

Well, it's because you want your kids to feel so happy and fulfilled, and if they're happy and fulfilled with you, you know that. That they're thriving in that environment. Right? I know. And unfortunately, I have a situation to. He's as happy with him as he is with me. And so that. That is really hard on me, too, because I look at the situation, like, look back on the situation, and it's like Jackson's ideal world. And he has said this, like, like, if you and dad ever got remarried, what house would we live at?

[C]

Have you all talked about getting back together?

[D]

No.

[B]

And it's only been as of recently that Jackson's, like, brought this up. And I genuinely do think it's because Will is fully working on himself in a single state, and I'm fully working on myself in a single state. And so I think that Jackson sees us in our singleness and because we can kind of be around each other so much more because we're not doing other stuff with other people, that it's almost like he fantasizes that life still. And he will say, in a perfect world, I want my parents back together.

[C]

I think that Javi and I did a disservice to Lincoln when we were also doing that. And I'm not saying that you're doing a disservice to Jackson because Yalls situation is very, very different than mine and Jav's. But when Javi and I kept going back and forth and then we would date other people and then we would try to get back together and then we would date other people and then we would get to back that that is what was happening to Lincoln and I. But I will say that I noticed a huge difference in my son. When Javi and I are speaking respectfully to each other or about each other or like, Lincoln knows when we're fighting. Like, he knows even if we don't say it, even if he doesn't hear it.

[B]

The body language.

[C]

Yes, yes, he knows. And so, like, for me, I just. I don't know. Like, I don't think that anyone could have prepared me for all of this. And obviously it's years later, right? Like, Creed's five. It's been five years since. At minimum five years since I've been with Chris. It's been more than that. But, like, they know and I'm only just now seeing the effects of it, if that makes sense. And I will say that, and I'm only speaking about my specific scenario, so please don't talk in the comments about how you know your situation is. It's good for you guys. I'm happy for you. But 50, 50, the older they get, that doesn't work for. For us, like, for Elliot himself, who's about to be 16 years old in a month. 50, 50 is not ideal. He does not want to settle down at one of our houses and then get up a week later and have to go to the other. And he doesn't. He's texting me when he's at my. His dad saying, oh, I left my laptop. Or, you know, a car is coming up, right? Like, what does that look like if he has the car that, you know, we don't see eye to eye on, like, the rules of the car and things like that. Like 50, 50 doesn't work. But also the kids deserve to be with. Their kids have the. I don't know, the whole thing. I. I don't think that anyone could have prepared me for it.

[B]

And. And does it get to a point where. And I know it's heartbreaking for so many people and I might experience the heartbreak at some point myself, but does it get to a point when you have a child like Elliot's age where you give them the flexibility of kind of coming and going or is that unhealthy?

[C]

Like I'm up, I'm, I'm all about the coming and going in a respectful way that you're communicating. I'm for it at this age. I know years ago I got on to Joe and basically was like, you know, I, I think that he should have more flexibility. And that was when he was younger and Joe kind of pushed back on it and now I agree with that. But as they get older, we'll say Lincoln's age and up, like 12 and up. I think that they should have more flexibility if they want it. And you know, Joe doesn't agree with that. Joe does not. He does not want his 15, 16 year old son coming in and out. And he's expressed that and he's made that very clear. Where I feel very differently about it. I think that he should be able to come and go at both homes with, with respect, obviously, like texting, give us a heads up. But how do you feel about that? Like could you picture when Jackson is driving, could you picture him sort of being at whoever's house or do you think that you'll have very rigid rules about it?

[B]

I don't think we'll have very rigid rules about it. I think obviously you've got to factor in if I was traveling for something for work or Will was traveling for something for work, then obviously just like the default, that's where the child would be. Right. But do I think whenever he starts driving and you know he's going to want to do stuff that's not on a co parenting schedule? Like we're already experiencing that and so we're already allowing for the flexibility within reason.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

To be able to honor those things. And I know it's easier for us because we have, you know, we're parenting one. So it's probably harder for people that have multiple children with somebody or multiple children involved may be from multiple partners and they want either all the kids to be together at one time or you know, want them all to be at the other parents house at one time. But I do think that we should just like be flexible and if it's within reason, why not?

[C]

That's how I feel. I mean, Lincoln just turned 12. He said, hey, my grandpa wants to take me out for dinner for my birthday. It was on my time. You know, Javi doesn't live in the sea anymore. What the, what the business do I have saying no, like that's not how I feel. Like that would have been like What? Yeah, go. And I literally. And he was like, mom, you can say no. And I looked at him and I said, why would I say no? Like, your grandpa wants to take you to dinner. Why would I say no? And he's like. And he went to dinner and he. They went to Texas Roadhouse, and he came back when he was done. And, you know, it just is what it is. Same for Elliot. It's like. Like, if you want to do something that you feel would be a better fit at your dad's house and it's on my time, like, who am I to tell you no? Like, I just. That's just not something that I want to argue about. It's not a battle I want to choose. Now, obviously, if you're. If you think you're going to come home at 2 in the morning, you're not. You don't get to come and go out of either of our houses at two in the morning. But if it's in within reason, I don't understand the no.

[B]

I mean, if. And I know that it would break my heart if Jackson ever decided, like, oh, I'm gonna, like, stay at dad's house more days than I'm gonna stay with Mom. But I would honor it because I feel like he's the most important part of the equation. And so his happiness should mean more to me than mine. And it's not about battling with Will for time. It's about making sure that my child is fulfilled and where he wants to be.

[C]

Do you remember when did you remember the post of Bristol Palin when she posted her son and that he was moving to Alaska from Texas?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Like, to me, that was such good parenting because they, like, to my knowledge, I think. What is the name? Trig? No, Trip. Trip, I would assume probably went to either one or both of his parents, was like, I want to go, you know, be in Alaska. But he also, him and his dad. I think what she posted is that, like, big fishers, big hunters, big hunters, things like that. Like, that makes sense to me when you're talking about parents so hard. Oh, I'm not saying it was easy. Like, that would not be. Like, I couldn't even imagine. But like, so, like, if Lincoln ever came to me and was like, oh, I want to go live with my dad because he's a big sports guy, like, I would have to understand, you know what I mean? Like, it would suck and it would hurt, but, like, at some point I would have to be like, okay, like, I get it.

[B]

There's also things though, being a mom of boys, that I feel like Jackson and Will have a very similar relationship than Lincoln and Javi. And so I feel like they like to do stuff together that's different than, like, what I would do with him. And Jackson very much values, like, his guy time. So, like, who am I to say no?

[C]

So if Jackson told you, like, I don't want to go back, and I don't think this will ever happen. But if Jackson came to you and was like, I'm gonna cry. Oh, my God, don't. No. But I feel the same way. Like, I think I would bawl my eyes out if Lincoln was like, I want to go live with my dad. And it's not like any shade to Javi, but it would just be like, damn.

[B]

I mean, I don't know. I would be like, you've got to stay with me, like, one night a week. Like, I cannot do this. Like, no. Seeing you mess. Like, that's for. That's for college. And let's be perfectly honest, I'm a helicopter, so I'm probably going to get an apartment near college.

[C]

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[B]

Yeah. And I cried.

[C]

I ugly cried and I couldn't like I could cry thinking about it right now, like so upsetting. And I think that siblings have to be considered heavily on both sides. That's, that's tough. I didn't even know actually that Bristol Palin's ex husband lived in Alaska. And she didn't, like I didn't even know until she posted that.

[B]

I just feel like that would be so. That would be like such a hard thing for me to do. However, I know that I'm not facing that because Will and I have committed that like we're staying in this area until he graduates high school.

[C]

So I think that also tugs on my heartstrings a little bit is like the kids that basically do have to decide at some point and sometimes there's no decision. But with no decision is the decision.

[B]

Yep.

[C]

When they're out of state. Right. Like, it would be so much easier for me in my opinion if we'll use Javi and Chris as examples because they don't live in Delaware. If, because they don't live in Delaware. Now I, now the kids are saying, and this is all hypothetical, like they came to me and they're like, we want to go live with our dad. Dads. They don't live in the state. I don't have. I can't just run by and go grab them for one night to take them to still have quality one on one time with them. They're out of the state at that point. So like for Bristol Palin, like, I don't know how she's doing that. Like, I don't. I give her all the credit in the world because I mean it's not, to me, that's not a dig at her motherhood. It's just the type of relationship that her son has with her with his dad. But like in the same state, I think it would be so much easier.

[B]

It's a really hard situation to honor your children when you almost feel like you honoring them is neglecting you.

[C]

Yeah. But that's really what it has to be.

[B]

And ultimately it boils down to within reason, honor your kids.

[C]

Kristen said, what I've learned is that no one wins in these scenarios. And I would agree the kid doesn't win because their parents were never together. And whether they know any different or not, it's still a loss. Loss.

[B]

I just think that you have to get to a point of number one, healing. Right. Like you have to heal from the situation of each other. And then number two, like, what is it that you're doing, Is it solely for your kids?

[C]

Yeah, no doubt. That's so interesting. I am.

[B]

Wait, I have to ask you. You want to go and see Regretting you after I saw it?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Actually, it's a five dollar movie.

[C]

Yeah, no, we went on a Saturday.

[B]

Well, mine was a five dollar movie on a Tuesday. That is so funny that you say that, because the last two times I've gone to the movies, I don't know if I'm putting too much butter on it or like, what's happening, but it feels like food poison.

[D]

What?

[C]

Like it though? Did you like the movie?

[B]

I did like the movie. Here's the problem, though. I feel like there were parts of it that should have been, like, elongated in some, like, areas of the movie and then some like, that were longer parts. Didn't necessarily need to be longer parts.

[C]

Okay. I hope what I'm about to say doesn't piss anybody off or ruffle feathers, because that's not my intent. I loved It Ends with us. I loved Regretting you. However, I feel like those two movies, specifically the way they were made, were more choppy scenes than like a big production movie that's not based on a book. Does that make sense? Like, I'm thinking of, like, I don't know. I don't know why Black Panther. Maybe because we watch it so much. Black Panther comes to mind. It feels like a whole production, seamless. The scenes flow right one into another. It feels like it ends with us. And Regretting you both had very choppy, like, this happened and then this happened, and then this happened. It wasn't like this and then this and then this and then this and then this.

[B]

No, I get that.

[C]

And I don't know, like the. Was the budget smaller than, like a big production or was it just because they were trying to tell the story exactly how it was in the book? I mean, I thought Regretting you was very, very similar to the book book.

[B]

I felt like It Ends with Us was a far better movie than Regretting you. And it did much, much better in box office from my understanding, from the initial reports than Regretting you did.

[C]

Out of all of coho books that I have read, I wish that they would have just because drama sells. Like, I wish that they would have put more emphasis on Jonah and Chris and Morgan and all of that scenario. Like, they really needed to play that up and it didn't get played up as much.

[B]

Like that's what I was talking about. Like, it wasn't like they really needed.

[C]

To do more with that. And I felt like it was so choppy that it was, like, left up to the viewers to, like, figure some of the stuff out when that specific scenario didn't really play out the same way in the book. And I feel like the book was so much more dramatic and like. Like a real twist. And so I just. I don't know. I feel like. I don't know.

[B]

I mean, could you imagine, like, your husband having an affair with your sister, having a baby with your sister, and then just dying in a car accident and then, like, where's the closure?

[C]

Remember when I told you about all the beautiful and ugly things? Yeah, wonderful. Ugly and wonderful things. Similar scenario in that book as well. Not gonna give away any spoilers, but similar situation there as well. No, I cannot imagine it. I cannot imagine my sister and I having any interest in the same man whatsoever.

[B]

But, like, how do you get closure from a situation like that?

[C]

You don't.

[B]

You literally live the. The rest of your life and. And then a baby's involved. Right? So, like, what do you do with that cry? And every time you see the child, it. It is a reminder of what they did to both of you.

[C]

I'm ready for reminders of him. Reminders of him comes out the day before my birthday, and that book fucked me up.

[B]

So I can read that.

[C]

You need to read it. You need. That needs to be your next.

[B]

Well, we've literally talked about two books that I need to put in my queue of reading, and I'm only on chapter three. Like, I really, at some point this week, have slowed down and I need to pick back up.

[C]

No, I read all day yesterday. Like, I had nothing. All I did was read yesterday. I did nothing. I was not productive in any way, shape, or form.

[B]

I feel like the reading was the product productivity.

[C]

Okay, Fair. That's fair.

[B]

You know what I mean? Because I. I feel like you are getting prepared for the turtles and like, you're doing the things that make you happy, and it's. It's a happy moment, and it's a productive moment.

[C]

Fair. But read through with your hair. It's, like, flat because I got it done on Sunday, so I'm, like, trying to, like, fluff it up a little bit. It's not really working out for me, but it's fine. I have a pair of teacher conference after this recording, so.

[B]

So I love that for you. And on that note, my little kitty cat, we have foul play.

[C]

Never thought I'd send this story in, but it's a great Thanksgiving story that we all still laugh about to this day. This happened maybe seven years ago or so. I live in a major city on the east coast now, but I grew up in la. One of my friends out here in the east mentioned that she'd never been out to the west coast and wanted to go there and do a trip to LA and Vegas. So we booked the trip a week. The week of Thanksgiving. Wednesday night came around and we were trying to plan on what to do the next day. Since it was going to be Thanksgiving we figured a lot of things would be closed. I suggested that we go to my grandparents house since there would be free food and I could see my family while we were out there. As I'm sure you all know, weed is fully legal in California and it's good stuff. So while we were out there we indulged in some edibles. We got to my grandpa's and parked down the street so we could walk up to the house and surprise everyone. Needless to say, we may have indulged a bit too much. So here we are at my grandpa's house. My whole family is there. We are super giggly and helping cook in the kitchen. The next thing I know my friend has a look in her eye and falls face first into the stove. She legit knocked out her arm, hit the burner and she had an instinctual reaction and flew back, hit her head on the fridge behind her and slid to the floor. Her arm was completely burned. She basically had a branding on her arm in the shape of a burner. She was okay and it was scary at the time, but our cover was blown and everyone pretty much knew how high we were at that point. Point we were thinking that the combo of THC and November California heat while cooking over a hot stove did the trick. To this day we still laugh about it and my family loves her and asks how she's doing all the time. She even came back out to visit with me last year. Hope you love my silly Thanksgiving story.

[B]

I just feel like there's certain things that we don't need to do when we're going to our grandparents house and causing a disaster on Thanksgiving because we're high is just like one of those things, you know, like never would I ever. Actually I can't say that.

[C]

Have you ever done in your whole life?

[B]

I was like never would I ever know. One time. Remember me telling you like years ago about somebody passing out weed gummies at.

[C]

Like family Thanksgiving if everybody in the room is equally high, I feel like maybe I could play with that idea. But I am so embarrassed that I would do something weird that I don't want to be around people if I'm high. I. It would not be a fun time to see Kale high. Like, it just wouldn't.

[B]

Okay, well, this is a sign that none of you need to have the combo of THC and November California Heat. And also being at your grandparents. We hope that you guys have the best Thanksgiving. If you're looking to snag any merch at a discounted price, we are running our Black Friday and Cyber Monday promotion now. Now through Monday 12. One on CoffeeConvo's podcast.com 10% off orders $50 plus 20% off orders of $100 plus 30% off orders of $150 plus and free shipping on orders $150 plus. No, no promo code is needed. Discounts apply automatically. Thank you guys for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple Podcast app, follow and rate on Spotify or listen wherever you get your pods. For our latest merch, visit coffee convo podcast.com to shop. Full video episodes are available on Kale's [e-mail] Kale Lowry don't forget to follow us on Instagram and join our Facebook group to connect with us in our community. We hope that you guys have a fantastic week and we'll talk to you soon.

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See ya.

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