Stability is the New Success!

Summary

Coffee Convos with Kail Lowry & Lindsie Chrisley

Episode: Stability is the New Success!

Release Date: January 15, 2026
Hosts: Kail Lowry (Teen Mom) & Lindsie Chrisley (Chrisley Knows Best)

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Episode Overview

In this candid and wide-ranging conversation, Kail and Lindsie reflect on what “success” means to them as women, mothers, and former reality TV stars. They explore how their values have evolved—from chasing excitement and external validation to seeking stability, peace, privacy, and genuine connections. Through relatable anecdotes, honest admissions, and a few signature rants, the duo digs deep into topics like relationships, cheating, boundaries, parenting (especially twins!), the drama of “fake” friendships, generational shifts, and the pressures of living in public while striving for a grounded, intentional life.
Tone: Open, irreverent, honest, supportive, and often funny.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Kicking Off: Personal Catch Up, Hair, & Dreams

• Both are considering changes in their personal routines and look—hair talk, Brazilian blowouts (“Do you see how like wiry the bottom of my hair is right now? It’s because it’s wearing off.” – Lindsie, 02:06).
• Lindsie shares a vivid dream about her son, Jackson, driving recklessly—a segue into how subconscious anxieties manifest in dreams (04:22-05:13).

2. Relationship Red Flags & Cheating: Past and Present

• Deep-dive into accountability and transparency in relationships, especially around cheating and histories.
• Kail: “I used to be a cheater too, and I don’t cheat now. So what difference does it make? I don’t care.” (09:22)
• Both agree that “once a cheater, always a cheater” is too simplistic, though patterns matter.
• Lindsie values a “girl’s girl” perspective and worries about being with someone who mistreated past partners.
• “People who want to change can,” says Kail (17:23), highlighting the importance of communication and honesty when moving forward from mistakes.
• Mutual agreement that holding people accountable for their past—if discussed openly—can actually be empowering.

3. Main Theme: Stability is the New Success (18:06)

• Lindsie: “Stability is the new success. I agree with that more than anything that I have heard…”
• Kail expands on stability across various life aspects—home, relationships, finance, and mental health—linking them directly to happiness (18:26).
• Advice for finding stability:
  • “Literally doing a brain dump… writing down where you want yourself to be at the end of 2026.” – Kail (19:07)
• Lindsie emphasizes intentionality and being fully present, despite the busyness of motherhood ("We all have 24 hours in a day… I just want to be intentional about the time. And I think that that creates a form of stability." – 20:18).

4. Redefining Success after Reality TV (22:02-25:02)

• Exiting reality TV shifted their perspectives—no longer tying self-worth to being on screen.
• Kail’s struggle: “I had thought before, like, I have nothing without being on tv. I am nobody. I have nothing to offer. And so I have struggled with that since I left.” (23:54)
• Lindsie: Success now means small, meaningful things—family dinners, clean sheets, sharing quiet time with a tight-knit circle.

5. Boundaries, Friendships, and Conflict Avoidance (29:17-36:49)

• What once felt exciting (nights out, lots of friendships) now feels exhausting.
• Both admit to maintaining surface-level friendships to avoid online or real-life backlash.
  • Kail: “It’s exhausting to continue to be friends with them… But I have to learn the hard way.” (29:51)
• Lindsie’s therapist encouraged her not to cause herself internal conflict by keeping up fake relationships.
• They discuss gradually distancing as a more peaceful way to end friendships versus direct cut-offs which can stir drama.
• Memorable: “The only ones that can really hurt you are people that you’ve loved and lost.” – Kail (36:37)

6. Choosing Consistency versus Chaos (38:08-41:25)

• Kail owns being “chaotic by nature,” but now values constants in her life. “Chaos is my brand, unfortunately… But consistency in the chaos…” (38:08)
• Stability is now a learned and appreciated goal; both have required therapy and reflection to transition from thriving on chaos to seeking peace.
• On identity: Kail admits, “I am absolutely in an identity crisis.” (40:29)
• Deeper discussion about their children, especially Kail's twins, and the challenges of fostering both individuality and sibling bonds.

7. Privacy, Social Media Pressure, & Content Creation (49:45-55:00)

• Both agree that privacy is peace, but it's problematic in their public roles.
• Kail laments the blurred line between what’s private, what’s “secret,” and what’s owed to the public.
• Social media culture creates constant pressure to overshare or explain themselves.
• On comparison: Lindsie reassures Kail about not falling into the trap of comparing herself to full-time content creators who “put all their eggs in one basket.”
• Lindsie notes people now often choose lower-paying remote jobs if it means greater stability and time for themselves and family.

8. Parenting and Generational Change (55:26-63:50)

• Kail sees herself as the “provider”—operating in a masculine energy—and discusses the evolving landscape for Gen Z and Gen Alpha (“I’m the man. I’ve lived in a masculine energy for my entire life. That’s why I think that I just thrive better outside the home.” – 57:42)
• Lindsie wonders about generational shifts—public school vs. private, impact of tech, and kids’ shrinking attention spans.
• Both are fascinated (and a bit wary) of what Gen Alpha will become given their unique upbringing with ubiquitous tech and less pen-and-paper learning.

9. AI, Technology, and the Future of Work and School (62:14-64:45)

• Candid about whether traditional education (e.g., exams) is relevant in an AI-dominated world.
• Discussing how AI is now even entering book publishing—raising questions about authorship and value.

10. Lighthearted Wrap-Up: Parenting & Foul Play (Sharting Stories) (65:33-67:24)

• The signature “foul play” segment features a listener story about accidentally sharting at a new job, leading to a hilarious and open exchange about bodily mishaps.
• Kail: “I’ve never sharted myself. I’ve either full-blown shit myself or just farted. I’ve never sharted.” (66:54)
• Ends on a laugh, with Lindsie and Kail encouraging honesty and camaraderie in even the most embarrassing moments.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Remember when we first… Wait, I don’t think I had short hair when we first started Coffee Convos, did I?” – Lindsie Chrisley, reminiscing about life changes (03:17)
• “Once a cheater, always a cheater—I don’t believe that.” – Kail Lowry (14:59)
• “Stability across the board... All of those things will lead to happiness and success. I wholeheartedly believe that.” – Kail (18:26)
• “Success is being at peace and being content. There’s a difference between being content and being complacent.” – Kail Lowry (22:13)
• “The less people that I’m in contact with, the happier I am.” – Kail (25:42)
• “Have you ever been, like, in friendships with people that you know, like, it's not genuine?” – Lindsie (29:37)
• “Chaos is my brand, unfortunately.” – Kail (38:08)
• “I am absolutely in an identity crisis.” – Kail (40:29)
• “Privacy is a form of peace.” – Lindsie (49:45)
• “I want to be intentional about the time. And I think that that creates a form of stability.” – Lindsie (20:18)
• “Why are we even taking tests at this point?” – Kail, questioning education in the AI era (63:50)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Gift-Giving, Hair Talk, and Dreams: 01:13–05:13
• Relationship Histories & Cheating Discussion: 06:07–17:23
• Stability as Success: 18:06–22:02
• Redefining Success, Post-Reality TV: 22:02–25:02
• Authenticity, Boundaries in Friendships: 29:17–36:49
• Consistency vs. Chaos and Parenting Twins: 38:08–49:03
• Privacy & Social Media Pressure: 49:45–55:00
• Work, Generations, and the Future: 55:26–64:45
• Foul Play—Listener Story: 65:33–67:24

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Overall: The Big Takeaway

Kail and Lindsie are prioritizing stability—not splashy “success.” They advocate for simplifying life, protecting one’s peace, and seeking quality over quantity in relationships, work, and family. Their honesty about their struggles with identity, boundaries, and life after fame resonates deeply, while their humor and candor keep the conversation lively and relatable.

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Great for listeners who appreciate real talk about personal growth, motherhood, and figuring out what matters most—especially for anyone learning to leave old definitions of success behind in favor of peace and stability.

Transcript

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

I hate gift giving and receiving.

[Kale Lowry]

Receiving gifts is so weird. What do you say? Thank you.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

This is Coffee Convos with Kale Lowry and Lindsey Chrisley. I really want you to be in your feels. Kale.

[Kale Lowry]

That does not interest me whatsoever.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I feel very attacked by you. A spirited discussion about motherhood, friendship, family and life in the public eye. I'm just not with the fakery anymore.

[Kale Lowry]

There's a fakery bakery around here.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Here's Kaylin Lindsay. Good morning and welcome to another episode of Coffee Combos podcast. How are you, kitty cat?

[Kale Lowry]

I'm doing just fine. I have all my kitty merch on tomorrow. Tonight is hair wash day, so I covered it with a hat.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

To be honest, last night was hair wash day for me. But I have to tell you something. I will probably never get a Brazilian blowout ever again.

[Kale Lowry]

Why?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I loved it so much. Like when it was fresh and new.

[Kale Lowry]

Huh?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But do you see how like wiry the bottom of my hair is right now? It's because it's wearing off. So like the texture of my hair in different places is not the same like consistently and it's driving me insane.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't. I think I've gotten. When I had hair down to my waist, I had a Brazilian blowout. But I, since I chopped all my hair off, cannot tell you the last time I had like a keratin or Brazilian blowout.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

People say that, like, keratin and Brazilian are somewhat the same, but also different because I think one's a protein and like one's not or something. Was thinking about possibly chopping my hair off.

[Kale Lowry]

I wouldn't blame you if you did it. Honestly, we're in the beginning of a new year. If you want to do that, now is the time.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Now is the time. I feel like there's just a lot that's been going on and when I wake up and I realize that it's hair washing day and I know how long it takes me to dry my hair, why not just chop it? Like half of it would be gone.

[Kale Lowry]

I mean, it's not a bad idea. It'll grow.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Remember when we first. Wait, I don't think I had short hair when we first started coffee combos, did I? No, I chopped it like after it was like 2018, I feel like, like a year after.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, okay.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like I chopped it off, but then also, no offense to anybody whose name's Karen, like, this really doesn't apply to you, but I don't want to look like a 36 year old short haircut girl.

[Kale Lowry]

You know, I had my rebranding shoe and my children told me I looked old.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You think it's because your hair is short?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I'm not chopping it then. I haven't seen these photos.

[Kale Lowry]

I'll show you.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, I need to see and I will be honest with you.

[Kale Lowry]

Okay, I'm gonna send them to you right now.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I also had a dream the other night that I was driving with Jackson and this was the night. Do you ever do this, like, where you'll have a conversation with one of your kids and then you go to bed and so it must be on your mind. So when you go to sleep, like you dream about it?

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay. So that's what happened to me. And I was dreaming that we were driving and I have no idea where we were, but it like, didn't look like any roads that were around here. And he was driving on the side of the road like, like the. The ledge of the side of the road. And I was like, please, please, please. And then I woke up and immediately I said, you will not be getting a vehicle or a driver's license at 16 ever. I understand. It's just a dream, but it's telling.

[Kale Lowry]

Me it's like your subconscious thoughts and desires come out in your dreams.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yes. It's like it reminded me of those dreams where you dream that, like, your partner did something bad to you and then you wake up and you're mad at them for what you dreamed that they didn't do.

[Kale Lowry]

I had a dream that Ike cheated on me at the college that we both went to. Walked in and he was on a Tinder date. So that was a dream. And I woke up and I was just like, why would you do that to me?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, wait, I've been meaning to ask you about Tinder. Okay, so when you go on Tick Tock, have you rent, like, run across the videos where people, they're like, videoing and they have a picture printed out of, like, the Tinder profile.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like their partner.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes. And then it's like, it's an ad for that app.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay. Because I was trying to figure out, like, how is this happening to all these people?

[Kale Lowry]

I also. It's not Tinder. It's Cheater Busters or something like that. And it's like a skit. And then they do the skit to make you think that that's, like, something that they're really going through. But then it's actually an ad for Cheater Busters, like, website or whatever.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Wait, what is Cheater Busters?

[Kale Lowry]

I don't actually know. I've never looked at what it is. I've just seen the videos and I fall for it almost every single time. I'm like, oh, oh my God, this is so good. And then I. It's like Cheater Busters. And I'm like, are you kidding me? Like, I was invested.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I have been invested in these videos thinking that they've been real. I had no idea that they were an ad. So, like, these people are full blown actors. Have you ever been on Facebook and gone on the Are you dating the same guy Facebook group?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I'm in one.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, I'm in one too.

[Kale Lowry]

But what's funny is somebody posted Ike in Are We Dating the Same Guy? Like, Facebook page. And I'm thinking to myself, like, literally, he has lived in Delaware for X amount of months. And I know for I have his location. He's never gone back home during that time that I didn't know about. So, like, you literally, like, you did that just to piss somebody off.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, I. I feel like it was somebody did it that knows that you were in that group that you would see it.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. And Also, maybe it's someone he used to mess with that was before my time, and I do not give a single.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

See, I would care.

[Kale Lowry]

Wait, you care about who came before you?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

You do. I care in a way that's like, I'm nosy. Like, I wanna. We talked about this. Like, I want to know what sort of, like, traditions you guys had or, like, whatever. Like, did you guys yell at each other when you fought? Like, what was your work schedules? Like, when did you see each other? What kind of dates did you go on? Like, curiosity, but never in a way that, like, would make me upset or mad. Like, I don't care who came before me, and I, in fact, don't even care who came three months before me. You know what I mean? Like, that's pretty soon before me. I don't give a fudge.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, I guess it's more of a situation if you have good communication. I feel like in a relationship and that person has communicated about things from their past, and you see, like, a pattern of events that have transpired with multiple people. My question at that point is why you ever dated any of those people and why you continued to create the same habits over and over again with just, like, a different body.

[Kale Lowry]

What do you mean? Elaborate a little bit.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, so it's like you have deal breakers in a relationship, right? Like, and you make pros and cons listen. And let's say you're with somebody who has. Has been with multiple people before you, right? And there are common things about those people just through conversation, you know, like, you're just in your relationship and you're having conversation, and, like, stuff comes up and it's like, wait, that same thing that you just described to me that you said about that person, you also said about the person that was before them and the person that was before them. So now I'm concerned because. Is that a red flag in you? Like, it's a red flag in the people, right? But also, you picked, like, your picker picked the same kind of situations with the same issues that you were dealing with that you claim that you don't want to deal with.

[Kale Lowry]

I think a lot of people think that about me. All my situations with all my baby dads are all so vastly different. Yes, I am the common denominator, but they're. The issues in each one were so different. But, like, for Ikes, for example, I don't. Not to put his business out there, but people will call him a cheater, and it's like, I don't give a If he cheated on you five years ago, I don't care. Like, I used to be a cheater too, and I don't cheat now. So what the difference does it make? I don't care.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So interesting that you say that because I get so, so caught up on it.

[Kale Lowry]

Ike and I had a conversation in the beginning of our relationship where we. It was multiple conversations where we talked about who we cheated on and that we were in fact, recovering cheaters. So for me, that was enough to understand that we're going into this without one, holding that against each other and two, with the intention that we both don't want to cheat. So I'm familiar with his past and I know who he's been with and who he cheated on and who he didn't cheat on and things like that. And he knows about mine. And so, like, for me, it was more just like clarity and reassurance that both of us want the same thing moving forward. So I don't. I do not. I used to get hung up on it when I was. I don't want to say younger because I don't think my age had anything to do with it. I think it was just like life experience. Like, at this point, I'm about to be 34. I'm very aware that him and I used to cheat on our significant other or others at the time. And moving forward, I don't want that. And I don't. I don't know. I just don't look at things the same anymore.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't know. I feel like for me, I am truly like a girl's girl. And so if I have been with someone that has cheated on someone else, I'm like, why did you do that to them?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. But I think the self awareness of, like, being able to talk about it. Ike and I both talked about that. Like, he told me everything that he did and I told him the things that I did. And it. We talked about why and I didn't have an explanation for why I cheated when I'm cheated in the past. Right. And he sort of didn't either. And so just knowing that is like, we don't know why we did it. It was just something that we did.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Do you think that there was commonalities in all of those situations that resulted in the cheating or.

[Kale Lowry]

No, No, I don't think. I think it was just our age, lack of maturity. Would you agree, babe? Yes. No. Just. No, I don't think. I think it was like, commonality and me doing it and him doing it or him doing it multiple times?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, like in the various situations that like y' all have been in and it like resulted in cheating out of those situations. Were any of those situations similar that ended up resulting in the cheating like with each person? Does that make sense?

[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, let's say like me cheating on.

[Kale Lowry]

Jordan with Joe and then me cheating on Dom or Malik. Neither of those are similar in any. Well I would say like me cheating on Dom and me cheating on Malik. I did not take those relationships seriously. I did not. I loved the way they loved me and I did not feel the same and basically was not. I was a very shitty person to them versus the Joe and Jordan thing. It was like I was 18 years old and I didn't want Joe but I didn't want him to want somebody. I Didn't want him to not want me either. Does that make sense? So it's like, I'm a pretty thing and then.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like with Joe, you were a pick.

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Me?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I would say so. But then with like Dom and Malik, I was just a shitty fucking person. Like, I did it because I could. There was no other explanation outside of I knew they would say whether I cheated or not.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Do you think that you would do it today?

[Kale Lowry]

No, I don't want to be a cheater. I have no desire to cheat. I either want to be in a committed, loving relationship or I don't want to be in a relationship at all.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I do think that this is somewhat of a controversial topic because I feel like a lot of people are going to have a lot to say about it. I do think that people who have cheated in the past and if they find the right partner that is for them, they can be reformed.

[Kale Lowry]

I agree. I don't, I don't necessarily believe that. Once a cheater, always a cheater. I don't believe that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think that situations are so unique in relationships that I don't think it's necessarily a fair thing to say. Do I think that there are some people that just like habitually will do that because they only care about themselves? Yes, I, I also believe that to be true 1000%.

[Kale Lowry]

I. But to say across the board, once a cheater, always a cheater. I don't believe that. I, I really don't. Now, in the past, I would have said, okay, in this specific relationship, if you cheated, there is a higher potentiality that you will cheat on me in the future. It might not be for 10 years, but I do think that the chances would be higher. I don't know that to be a fact, but that was just something that I have said and felt in the past. Like, for example, had I stayed with Elijah, it sounds good that he wouldn't cheat again, right? But I'll tell you, the same thing I told him was you might not cheat for the next 10 years, but in 10 years you don't. You forget what we went through the first time you did it. And I found out in 10 years from now. It's the same way that people have babies and forget the pain that having the baby was, you know what I mean? Like labor, the delivery, all of the things you forget you have another one, you're in this bliss. Same thing for cheating on that. You know, that's how I used to see it, but now, I, I don't know.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I, I, to that point, I think that's actually a great point because I think that if somebody has cheated on you and you get back with them, that likelihood of them cheating on you again is higher than them being with someone else and not cheating.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, I. And I. I still think that could be true. I do.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I had one relationship that the person was just a habitual cheater. Like, I don't know what was wrong with the person. Maybe some. Some life insecurities, some. I don't know what it was, but habitually cheated, tried to get me back. Stupid for me to go back, but went back and then did it again. I have also been with someone who cheated in the past but never cheated on me.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know. I just. But you. Your knowledge of them cheating in the past almost holds them accountable. Yeah, because you're aware they're aware you've talked about it. And it's like, hey, like, I. I've had this pattern in the past where I've done X, Y, and Z. And moving forward, I don't want to operate that. And like, for me, just somebody being comfortable enough to tell you, like, this is what I did in the past. I don't want to be that person anymore. That alone speaks volumes to me. And I do think that people who want to change can. But when you enter a relationship and you're being secretive about your past and your past relationships, or you're not being forthcoming about why they ended, sets you up for more failure than success, in my opinion.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I would tend to agree. Okay, so we are going to talk about some kind of hot topics. Number one, stability is the new success. I agree with that more than anything that I have heard. Probably in one month.

[Kale Lowry]

No, I agree with you. Stability across the board, stability in your home life, stability in your relationships, financial stability, having mental stability. Right. Going to therapy regularly or whatever that looks like for you, all of those things will lead to happiness and success. I. I wholeheartedly believe that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

If you were gonna give someone advice on how to truly create stability across the board, like, whether it be in your home life, your relationship, your work, with your children, what would your advice be to someone on how they can get there?

[Kale Lowry]

I think first, this is gonna sound so cliche and dumb, but, like, literally doing a brain dump, right? Like, whether that's like writing it down or typing it out. But it's like, where do you want yourself to be at the end of 2026, for example? It's like, do you have financial goals? Do you have. Do you want to eat at the table with your kids more often. Do you want to, you know, get a new job for a change of pace, like whatever that is? It could be a thousand things. It can be two things. Right. Writing it down.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I will tell you stability is one of the hardest things to fight for because I do feel like just as human beings, it's hard. There's so much that's like thrown at us every single day. It's like we're bouncing from a work obligation to maybe a conference for your kids or a work obligation to practice to a game. Trying to do stuff for self, care for yourself. Like this morning, first thing I did was went to Pilates, came home, did some stuff around the house, have already done all of my laundry, got on my recordings. Jackson has a basketball game at 6pm it's really hard to balance all of those things and be fully present and what you need to be present for. And for this year, I want to be able to not have the distractions out. And I know it's. It's really hard, but not to have the distractions away from like what I am presently doing. So if I am presently recording coffee convos or I'm on a trip to Delaware, my full focus needs to be on that. And that feels stable to me. What doesn't feel stable is the I'm. I'm recording and having a conversation with you, or I might be on the phone with you and I'm doing 12 other things, you know, like trying to. Trying to make. And we all have 24 hours in a day, right? So it's like how you choose, how you choose to use it. Like we have the same 24 hours, but I just want to be intentional about the time. And I think that that creates a form of stability.

[Kale Lowry]

I would agree with you. I would agree with that.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

It's really hard. I just feel like if you get to a place where. And for me, it's my faith, like, I know that God's got me, right? So whatever's meant to be will be. I know you believe in like Buddha, right? Yeah, like manifesting stuff and all those things. I feel like you can find peace and stability while manifesting and slowing down.

[Kale Lowry]

That's what I hope one day. I hope that I can do the same.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But the next question is, how has your definition of success changed over the years? And I feel like mine has drastically changed.

[Kale Lowry]

I feel like the success that we're all striving for, whether we want to admit it or not, is not in the financial aspect of making millions of Dollars, maybe it's success is being at peace and being content. And I do think that there's a difference between being content and being complacent. Being complacent, you have no goals and aspirations. You're just complacent. No looking into what's next. Right. But content is you're happy where you're at, you're content, you feel good about where you're at. You're not worried about the next move. You're not like, maybe you're comfortable financially, you're not making millions, but you're comfortable financially. You don't have any, you know, pressing issues. I feel like, to me, that's like success.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I feel like you and I both kind of exited reality TV close around the same time. So I think both of our view of success exiting that looks very different than what it looks like today. Being years removed the facade of reality tv. And yours is way less of a facade because y' all were a docu series, so pretty much. I mean, yes. Were there edits and stuff like that that maybe you've disagreed with? I kind of feel like for a very, very long time, and I still struggle with it so much of attempting to, like, live this life of perfection, and that felt like success to me. Like, if I can execute this and what feels like perfection to me, I was successful.

[Kale Lowry]

I only, I would say this year realized that my success and the level of success does not ebb and flow with whether or not I'm on tv. I had thought before, like, I have nothing without being on tv. I am nobody. I have no nothing to offer. And so I have backbone. Yeah, I have struggled with that since I left. And I 2026 will be four years since I left the reality TV. And I just never. I. I will say to this day, I'm proud of myself for leaving on my own terms. I'm proud of myself for leaving before the ratings dropped completely off. I am proud of myself for living through 13 years of reality TV where we were paid fucking pennies to the millions and millions and millions of dollars that Viacom and MTV made. But I, for so long was like, like, even now, trying to find my identity outside of reality TV has been really challenging because, I don't know, I'm not a content creator. I'm not an influencer. I'm literally just a girl who was on tv.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Success to me today, I feel like, would be very similar to success for people who are listening to this. Like, it's a small things, right? Being able to have a Home cooked meal with your family at home, being able to get into a clean bed, being able to take your kids to do stuff that doesn't really cost that much, like a petting zoo or putt putt or stuff like that. Watching movies, not having communication with a lot of people. I communicate with maybe four people and that honestly feels like success to me.

[Kale Lowry]

No, truly, like the less people that I'm in contact with, the happier I am. And that's no shot at anyone in like, in particular. Like truly, I don't mean it to hurt anyone's feelings, but the less people I talk to, the less drama there is. Literally like Ike is in the background nodding his head and I literally cannot express that enough. Like the days that I, for example, on Sunday when the babies went to Elijah's house, it was just me, like three kids and they're all self sufficient. And so they were all doing an activity, whatever they were doing. I sat down, I read. I did not. I don't think I texted. I maybe texted two people that whole day. And it was just one of those things where it's like, okay, not. I can't. Nothing could have happened. Nobody did anything. There was no drama, there was no nothing. And so I felt so at peace. That felt like success to me. The other day we also, I had all seven of my children at the dinner table together. That felt like success to me. And so just I don't know if it's the age. I don't know if it's realizing things are shifting. I don't know what it is.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't know. I think it, it's really stepping into your own. And I feel like I've watched you do that over the last year. I feel like it's been a very hard year. But I've watched the shift and I think that you think that you don't have peace, but there's sometimes that I see you and I will be having a bad day and I'm like, I wish I could do that. Like, I know you're just like reading your Kindle.

[Kale Lowry]

Less is more.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Less is more.

[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, the next question is what used to feel exciting that now feels exhausting?

[Kale Lowry]

Going out, going out, going out in any way, shape or form. Going outside of my house is not a fun time for me ever.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What used to feel exciting but now feels exhausting? Fake friendships.

[Kale Lowry]

I think friendships in general.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I feel like I used to. Have you ever been, like, in friendships with people that, you know, like, it's not genuine?

[Kale Lowry]

Yep.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And like, they don't love you.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But you still hang out with them.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes. And I don't know why I have done that. And I'll be honest with you, I still do in so many ways. I want them to prove me wrong. Like, I want it to be like, okay, no, this is genuine. And Kayl, you were wrong for once. But I know in my heart of hearts what their intentions are. And I also, like, it's exhausting to continue to be friends with them. But, like, I have to learn the hard way. Why do you do it? Why have you done it?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I genuinely think it is to avoid conflict.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, Literally to avoid conflict. Because it's better to fake the friendship than for them to be a troll and hate your guts all over the Internet.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But then that's also conflict. You know what I mean? Like, I had this conversation with my therapist literally last sometime, either last December or January. It's been almost a year. And I was telling her, you know, like, I. I say in these friendships with these people, but it's not really friendships because it's more of, like, an acquaintance. But I kind of make them feel like they're my friend, but, like, I don't really view them as a friend. Why? And. And she's like, why? Why don't you remove yourself from that situation if that's how you feel? Remove yourself from that situation. Okay, yeah, but if I do that, I know the conflict that's going to come along with that. So I just don't do it. I'm avoiding it like the plague. But she made a good point, and she was like, well, by you staying in it, that's causing internal conflict with yourself.

[Kale Lowry]

I have struggled with this for so long, and the only person that I really feel like I've been able to talk to about it is Kristen, because she knows who and she knows what. I have stayed friends with people because they are the type of people that if I remove myself and maybe I didn't do anything to them or anything super negative, but they will be the T page trolls that, like, say horrible things about me. They will become one of them. And to me, I didn't do you that dirty. I don't. I didn't do you dirty at all. And I don't think that this is ever going to make sense to people who are not in our position. I don't know for sure.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But, like, I feel like other people can relate because I feel like other people probably operate this same way, regardless of, like, what their job is. I mean, it could be with a colleague at work.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't know. Babe, do you operate like that? No, I don't know other people that operate like that, Lindsay. I really don't.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

You operate the same as me, right?

[Kale Lowry]

Yes. Like, I would rather keep a friendship that I know is not good for me than to deal with the conflict of the fallout. Because you've, you had, you've seen firsthand people that I fall out with, it's always me leaving them. But somehow they get to the Internet and people think, those friends dropped me. Every single time I have dropped somebody else, a relationship or a friendship, they all of a sudden I was this horrible person. I was never good to them. I, you know, they stopped being friends with me. So for me, it's like, just keep them around so I don't have to deal with the. The lies.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

What I found to be the, the easiest way to eliminate that, to remain authentic within your own self is to slowly distance.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes. I would say slowly distancing so that it's like a more growing apart than completely dropping them. Yeah. Second, you completely drop them, they will go on the Internet and make up. They will spin it so that the narrative suits them.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, for example, I can, I can give you an example of someone that I have so much love for this person as a human being. I don't like a lot of, like the life decisions, but like, to the core, I know this person has a very good heart. And it just became a situation that I didn't feel like it was healthy for me to remain in that friendship because I no longer aligned with the things that these people do. And it was over a period of time. Right. Like, I was. When I was more aware of myself, I kind of started watching habits and things I was kind of like picking up on. And I'm like, you know what? That, that just like no longer aligns with me. So I ran into this person the other day and I was with David and she sends a text and says, sorry I was such a wreck when I saw you yesterday. I've been in my. I've been in my feels. I didn't respond. Then I get a text that says, happy for. Happy for you that you and David are working things out. I sent a text back and said, thank you. Like, I'm not completely cutting you off. I'm always going to be nice whenever I see you in person. I genuinely love you as a human being. I don't align with your life choices and I. I don't condone them, frankly. But I can love you from a distance and I'm just going to keep my space.

[Kale Lowry]

Why is it that. Okay, so. But did you fall out with them at any point?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, no. I just slowly kind of started distancing.

[Kale Lowry]

Because I'm just wondering why people always feel the need to, like, go flip the script for me, but they don't do that. Not that I wish that on you. I don't wish that on you. But, like, I don't see it happen to other people.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think it's because you love, like, so hard and you invite people in your life in such a different way. And I think it genuinely has to do with the fact that you didn't grow up with siblings and you don't really have family. I mean, like, yes, you have your sister and your niece and. But I think that just from my observation, from what I've seen, like, with your friends that are around home, people are always, like, in your house, and it's very family like. And so I think because of that, the fallouts are so much worse. My situations are never like that. Because, yes, I will go and hang out with whoever it is, but it kind of, like, stops there and then I go home. Like, you're inviting these people into your home on a regular basis.

[Kale Lowry]

That saying, keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. So are they my friends or are they my enemies? Because I think the only ones that can really hurt you are people that you've loved and lost.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, well, I don't genuinely loved all those people. At some point, I just like, when.

[Kale Lowry]

I think about you and, like, we have a friendship and we're business partners. Like, if we were to fall out and you and I have fought like siblings before, never once did I think about going to the Internet and talking about it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Never would never do that. Probably cry for days because I've done that.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, someone said that to me. They were like, kale, why don't. When you fall out, why don't you just respond and talk about. And I'm like, because the other thing is that a lot of the people that do it to me don't have a huge following, or it's my following that follows them. It doesn't hold the same weight. You guys can literally ruin my life and take away brand deals or ways for me to make money. Me going on the Internet and talking about them doesn't change their livelihood, doesn't change the income they bring in. Doesn't talk like it's not the same.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, and then there's also a risk. Like, anybody can talk and say pretty much whatever they want to about a public figure, but if a public figure was doing it to somebody who's not a public figure, the implications for us would be far greater than the implications on them.

[Kale Lowry]

No doubt. No doubt.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Okay, the next one is Are you choosing consistency over chaos right now? And I feel like you're choosing both.

[Kale Lowry]

I'm choosing both because chaos is my brand, unfortunately. That's just who I am, I think, at the big age of almost 34, I'm not. I am who I am. Right. But consistency in the chaos. Right. And being chaotic.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So both, I feel like consistency and. And definitely an attempt for peace, but not afraid for the chaos.

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, if it comes, it comes, and I'm going to be honest about it. Okay. Is stability something that you had to learn to appreciate?

[Kale Lowry]

Yes. And I have talked to Dr. Drew, I've talked to my therapist, and the chaos in my life at times has been sort of like chasing the dragon. That. That term that they use for people who have been on drugs is like, you're chasing that feeling from the first high. And so the highs and lows of my life always was. It's like, all of the excitement, good or bad? Because my body doesn't know the difference of something happening, and then, you know, the down and then the backup and then the, like, the excitement of all of that. And so when everything sort of just levels out, I'm like, wait, what's going on?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And what am I supposed to do?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah, like, I don't have anything to look forward to. I'm not anxiously checking my phone if there's drama on the Internet. Like that. And so, like, now I. That's all I want. Is it just to be like this?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I feel like if you have been through highs and lows in your life, which most people have, at some point, you've been. You've had highs, and you've had lows. Sometimes when the highs last, like, the. Sometimes when the lows last, like, really long, it's almost like a negative adrenaline. But then once you get, like, leveled back out, you don't know how to exist, like, on that level field because it's been so low for so long. It's like, okay, well, when's the next low coming? Because I operate actually better in that situation, and you have to do a lot of therapy to get out of that.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, so then do we think chaotic and controversial? Kale coming back is actually me chasing the high of being chaotic again.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

No, I don't. I think that a lot of that is just truly who you are at your core. You're almost, like, in an identity crisis right now.

[Kale Lowry]

I am absolutely in an identity crisis.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't mean I'm not trying to put you on the spot. I'm just saying, like, it is an identity crisis because you are chaotic.

[Kale Lowry]

Even when I take my meds, I'm chaotic.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I know, but I think it's just who you truly are to your core. Like, that is your being.

[Kale Lowry]

I'll take it. This is who I am. You could take it or leave it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And I think you're gonna have a chaotic daughter as well.

[Kale Lowry]

Valley is.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I think she is kale 2.0 brewing.

[Kale Lowry]

She. But she's like the. She's gonna be the more stable of us. You know what I mean? Because she was the traumatic childhood that made me so chaotic. She'll just be chaotic by choice and by having me as a mom. Right. Like, not the instability type of chaotic.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

The way she will respond will be so different because you are giving her things that you never had and almost like somewhat vicariously, like living through her little world.

[Kale Lowry]

Wait, can I. Can we talk about the twins for a second? Because I want to ask other moms of twins for help. I took Verse to a pediatric ophthalmologist for his eyes and it was a two hour drive there and a two hour drive back and the appointment was just. It was like a small appointment. But anyways, it ended up being like almost an entire, like daytime day. That was the first and longest time that Valley and Verse have ever been separated. I'm having a really. I'm gonna cry thinking about it. It's not emotional. I don't know why I'm upset. Other twin moms, how to separate their twins. Like, I'm so scared of them not having a twin bond and relationship if I separate them. So, like, when is a good time? Like, I don't know why this is so emotional for me. Like, I could not wait to get back from that appointment because I was together. Yeah. It was like Verse has never been away from his twin for this long. And I was like. So Kirsten was in the. In the hospital at that time. It was like an hour from where we were. And so it's like about halfway closer to from like how far we are now. And so I was like, oh, I'm gonna try to come see you if I can. But by the end of the appointment, I was like, I just need to get the twins back together. Like, it was. Am I like, putting my own trauma on them? Like, I don't know. Coffee Combo's podcast is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Do you ever think about switching insurance companies to see if you could save some cash? Progressive makes it easy. Just drop in some details about yourself and see if you're Eligible to save money. When you bundle your home and auto policies, the process only takes minutes and it could mean hundreds more in your pocket.

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[Kale Lowry]

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

I mean, people have actually written into us because you and I talked about, you know, separating them from class and stuff. And other twin parents have written in saying, like, you'll know because the school tell you, you know, they should be separated. Yeah. You know, I don't know if I was a twin mom and I sent my little babies off to kindergarten and they had been together for that, that long of their life, and they couldn't be in the same class. I would be devastated.

[Kale Lowry]

They're still in the same room. And like the kids, last night when I was putting everybody to bed, we were talking about switching rooms again, because as siblings, I don't know, this is just what I'm experiencing right now. I obviously have no experience of my own, but, like, with there being as many boys as there is at different times in their lives, they're going to be closer to different brothers. So right now, while we're living in a house that doesn't necessarily suit us anymore, there has to be room sharing. And so we're going through like, who's gonna share and whatever. And I'm thinking to myself, okay, Rio and verse, you know, once they get to a certain age, they will probably share because they're the closest in age. And verse and Valley are boy, girl. And I do believe that they should not share a room past a certain age. But right now they're two and they share Valley's room still. And I'm like, I. Like, I just can't imagine a world where they're in. They're separated. Like, it just. And I think part of it is when the. When I did the first parent teacher conference for them, their teacher told me that, like, because Valley is so. We'll say strong willed and verse is more Elijah and very quiet into himself. She said that Valley fiercely protects him. And ever since then, it's been in my head that I can't separate them. That, like, it's almost like, well, verse can't stick up for himself, but I literally watch him stick up to Rio every single day.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But then I'm sure in your mind you're like, am I setting verse back by having her be his protector his whole life too? You know?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. And so I'm just like, struggling with that. And I don't know. I need to. And I don't know if there's a difference too, for, like, same sex twins versus opposite. Like, Elijah's mom is a twin, an identical twin to a girl, obviously. His first cousins, identical twin boys, identical twin girls. Ike's brother and sister are twins. So, like, there's lots of twins. And then Taylor, my hairstylist and friend, she's a twin to a boy, but it's like, I don't know, maybe I should just ask all the twins.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, I think you should definitely ask all the twins. And I bet you anything based off of, like, the boy girl situation will be different than, like, the girl girl and the boy boy.

[Kale Lowry]

Babe, did Jules and Jasmine do everything together? No, I'm. No. Do you ever remember them sharing a room?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Never.

[Kale Lowry]

She had her own room. And then you and Jules together. And they're not close, though. See, that makes they have that twin bond. Yeah, but other than that, I mean, they. He said that his twin brother and sister are not like. And I know too, because Jules told me they're not close, but, like, that's. That freaks me out. And then I have Taylor, who's a twin with a boy, and she. Her and her brother are like this.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's so crazy. Do you think that they play with the same people at school? Or is the teacher already noticing, like, friend group differences?

[Kale Lowry]

There's friend group differences.

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[Kale Lowry]

Yeah.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So what type of kids does she play with versus who he plays with?

[Kale Lowry]

Verse is so much like Elijah in personality. I know. Verse doesn't look like anybody. It's so weird because, like, Valley and Rio are literally identical.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Verse is Elijah's personality through and through. So very to himself. He'll play next to somebody, but he doesn't want to play with somebody. Yeah. He'll, like, parallel play where, like, Valley is, like, in it and she's. But Valley's also. The teacher said she's like a little assistant. Like, that's the teacher's assistant. Like, she's a teacher's pet.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I could see that. I could see that.

[Kale Lowry]

A mess.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't know. I. I would have such a hard time separating them. But I also feel like all of your kids are so close.

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Oh, my God. When I. When my kids get so upset because sometimes we'll be at soccer or something, they'll be like, are the twins home? Do the twins go to bed? Are the babies asleep? Did they go to sleep yet? Oh, mom, why are they asleep already? I didn't get to see them, and they get so upset, and I'm like, honestly, I could get used to this. I'm not ready for when they're all of age to fight with each other. And then there's seven of them fighting versus just two of them at a time. I'm not ready.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Two of your kids fight?

[Kale Lowry]

Yeah. Lux and Creed fight every day.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, my God. They probably would beat each other up if I wasn't supervising.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Knock down, drag out. Okay, so next one is. Do you believe that privacy is a form of peace?

[Kale Lowry]

Yes. The less people know, the better.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

And it's really hard, though, with our jobs.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes, it is so difficult because it's like, what's the secret versus what's private? And then what do you owe the public versus what you don't owe them? And you want to keep it private. Do you want it to be known? But private it. Okay. But if you give somebody an inch of your life now, they are full blown expecting all of your privacy and business to be put out there. So it's. For us, it's very different.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's why when I got back with David, I let people know immediately. I talked about it on the Southern tea because I'm like, I am tired of seeing these comments of people being like, oh, well, she's not being transparent. When I finally said that, I broke up with him, or I guess he and I mutually broke up. I don't really know what happened, but when I finally said that, it had already been like months whenever I said it. And so sometimes I think that people don't realize that we also are human beings and like, we need to process stuff before we talk about it. And it's not that we are trying to necessarily be private or secretive about it. It just might not be at the top of our mind to divulge to the general public. Yet. The next one is. Do you think social media creates pressure to explain yourself? And I feel like, yes, yes, it absolutely does. Is it social media or is it the way that we consume social media?

[Kale Lowry]

Both. It's both. Because subconsciously or consciously, when you're consuming other people's content, you're, whether you want to admit it or not, you're thinking about the ways you relate to this person or don't relate to this person. This person. So that creates pressure. Well, should it be this way or that way instead of what I'm already doing? And then for me it's been, you know, I'll use Avery woods as an example. I think she became big on Tick Tock, right? Like, she wasn't big before that. She wasn't on tv. So I'm like, okay, well, I was on tv. I already had this following, why am I not moving to California and doing X, Y and Z? I don't want to move to California. It was just like an example, right? But looking at the way that certain creators create content or do this or have this and have that, it's like, how are they doing all of that? And I'm over here, like, how do I get that?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But I think it goes back to the conversation we were having about stability and giving all to one avenue.

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

So when you're comparing yourself, because that's essentially what it is, like, it's a comparison game against someone else. And what you are minimizing about yourself is that you have all of these things going on. So you're giving a little to this and a little to that and a little to that. And then that person is just creating tick tocks all day. So their entire world is in regards to a business. But I mean, I would even go, I would venture out to say Tick Tockers, like, that's their life.

[Kale Lowry]

Yes.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Documenting, you know, not only for a job and a paycheck, but they're documenting everything that they're doing every single day. That's one avenue. So when you're seeing that and you're comparing yourself to that, you also have to take a step back and say, okay, Well I have three shows, I have seven kids. I am just a girl that was on TV that likes to make TikToks. So like, that's another thing. You want to have a home life, you have a book club, you. So. So all of those things and you're comparing yourself to someone who's doing one of those things.

[Kale Lowry]

And that's not discrediting men at all.

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[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't mean, I don't mean that that way.

[Kale Lowry]

I have the same 24 hours, the same energy will say, and I have to spread it across all of these things where they have this. They have the same 24 hours and the same energy and it's going to their kids and creating content. Two things. True.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I just think that sometimes it's easy to get in a comparison game being like, okay, well I have all of these things, but like, I also want that one. And you are minimizing what you're doing by comparing yourself to someone. And I'm not discrediting whoever you're comparing yourself to by saying, oh, well, they're only doing the one thing. No, they're just putting all their eggs in that one basket.

[Kale Lowry]

Right, right.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So I think that you have to get to a point where you're like, okay, if I want to put all my eggs in one basket, you can. And you would be doing that same thing. Okay. So I saw something on TikTok yesterday and it said if you had an opportunity to make $120,000 a year and you're fully remote, or $240,000 a year and you go to the office every day, what are you choosing? The comments were wild and it's based off of truly like people making the decision of the 120,000 and the stay at home job, they're choosing that to travel less because they don't, they don't want to commute to a job and probably to protect their piece to some degree, but they're cutting their income in half.

[Kale Lowry]

More people chose the 120.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

120.

[Kale Lowry]

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[Kale Lowry]

I have always felt that I'm more fulfilled when I'm physically working somewhere else and I'm more stressed out when I work at home. However, in the last eight years, not including mtv, just including the podcasts, I have had, I've been had the privilege to work outside of the home with the flexibility of working in home. So for me it would be the, the, the latter the 240 for going to the going to work because if it's fairly local, I'm going to choose that not because of the money but because I feel like I operate better outside of the home.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So the girl on video said that most of the people she suspected that would choose the 120 working in the home fully remote were likely gen zers.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh mm. I believe that I actually and did you know first of all I want to expand on the fact that I think I'm a dad, I think I'm a provider. I think that I'm not nurturing the same way that like, like I'm the provider. I'm the sole financial provider. I am all of I'm the man. So I, I Have lived in a masculine energy for my entire life. Survival, work, tv, relationships, all of the things. And so that's why I think that I just thrive better outside of the home. But second to that, you said Gen Zers. Oh, I only have one Gen Z. I have Elliot is Gen Z. And that very much. I could picture him having like a remote job and being totally fulfilled. The rest of my kids, Lincoln, Lux, Creed, Rio and the twins are all Gen Alpha.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I just wonder what that generation is going to become like as we grow up.

[Kale Lowry]

You know, I'm fascinated because I. We see the difference, the stark contrast between boomers, millennials and then millennials to Gen Z, right? So like those three. But what the is Gen Alpha gonna look like? And I have six of them.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I'm scared for you.

[Kale Lowry]

I want to know what the characteristics. And like the. Because like they say, Covid babies are all. They sort of have like this sort of creed as a Covid baby, creed is one of my most challenging children. And, and it's a blessing and a curse because I think it could take him very far in life. And I also think it could go the opposite way if it wanted to. I would be very, very curious to see what Gen Alpha, what the plan is there.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Like, wait, what is Jackson?

[Kale Lowry]

Jackson is Gen Alpha?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh God. Well, that, that generation is unhinged.

[Kale Lowry]

I just wonder what that's going to look like. Because like Gen Z, this, the difference between millennial and Gen Z is so funny to me because a lot of it is because they grew up in like tech world and having technology at their fingertips everywhere they go. Like I watched a tick tock yesterday and it was two girls talking about like their school experience from middle school to high school and all of like we had a cow cart where it was like computers on wheels or whatever. And it was the class, it went from classroom to classroom. We went to a computer lab, we had to write notes, we had to write five paragraph essays by hand, like, weren't typing them. What does that look like for Gen Alpha?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't know because I part of me, I love like some old school mentality, right? Like bringing cursive back to the classroom, handwriting papers, focusing on penmanship. Like, stuff like that, I feel like is so important because if you look at, I could probably pull school papers from myself and I was meticulous when it came to penmanship. Like where my letters went. If it touched the top of the paper to the bottom of the, you know, line. If you saw some of Jackson's papers, it's because they are on technology 247 that they are not really required to write.

[Kale Lowry]

Not only that, it's not even just like the fact that they can't write. It's, it's, it's that. But it's also their attention span is like we're creating a crisis of attention span being shortened to seconds and sometimes less than a minute. Right? Like that's terrifying to think about. And my kids recently did a tour at a private school and Lincoln, I was so impressed with Lincoln after just one shadow day. And he got in the car and he's telling me what he learned and he looked at us and he said, the difference in the education where I am and where I was like where he, where he is currently going versus where he could go. He noticed it in one shadow day.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

That's crazy.

[Kale Lowry]

And I was just like, that's insane. Like, because they just. You have to put your phones in a box. You can't have, you don't have Chromebooks at your fingertips at that school where in the public. And I'm not saying one's better than the other. I'm just saying like the difference, it's, it's fascinating. Truly.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I do not and cannot and will not get behind doing test, multiple choice tests on a computer.

[Kale Lowry]

I don't want to do any tests on a computer.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I don't think any test should be done on a computer, but all tests.

[Kale Lowry]

But like, what is at this point, at this point for Gen Z, Gen Alpha, Gen Beta, what is the point of a test? Because they're going to be able to Google stuff on ChatGPT, on their watches, on the computer. Like, why do we need to. AI is taking over. So what is the purpose of them even taking a test if they don't have to memorize anything? They can use a computer and technology at all. They'll get a job one day and not need to know this information. They can just Google it.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, that's some people's argument for saying that, you know, school just needs to be phased out because of AI. And I mean, I disagree with that on course.

[Kale Lowry]

But like I understand why they have gotten to that point. Yes, like, I get, I get the point is like what? Okay, let's educate. But why are we even having them take tests? Because at one point y' all were saying we can't use calculators because we won't have them in the real world. And here we are and we are beyond calculators at this point. We have cars driving themselves and you know, AI all over the place and, you know, whatever. And there's a whole controversy on Book Talk right now with authors using AI to write their books.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Oh, really?

[Kale Lowry]

Yes. It's this huge controversy because some authors are getting accused of using AI when they don't use AI, but some authors are fully using AI to write their entire manuscripts. The reader community is like, we don't want to pay for AI. And then some of the readers are like, well, we don't really give a if we don't know, we don't care. And then other authors are, like I said, getting accused when they didn't do it. And so it's like, there's no winning here. But, like, tests at this point. Like, why are we even taking them?

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But is it that kind of, like. Like, in the workplace, if you're not a good author, like, you should not be releasing these novels. Like, if anybody can do it, and we're using AI to do it. Not everybody's meant to be an author. So I feel like it's taking away from the ones who are actually doing it and their crit credentials. Personally, if I was an author, I would be pissed off if I knew that somebody released a book and it was a bestseller and it was AI.

[Kale Lowry]

I, I, I think using AI as a tool and not as this complete solution, the end all be all, I think, is one thing. It's sort of like college degrees today. It's like, if everyone has them, they're not super useful, and there's no real point. So it's. It's kind of a catch 22. It's like, it can be helpful in so many ways, but it's also horrible for the environment. It's terrible for our brain. Like, I just. But it makes life easier.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

So it's like six, seven, not six, seven, weekend. And I was like, could you not.

[Kale Lowry]

Oh, that's Creed's favorite thing is 6, 7. Yesterday on of the football game, it was they at the bottom of. I don't know if it was ESPN or whatever it was, but at the bottom of the screen, it was like, this game score and this game score. And then it was a separate game on the TV, and it said the score was 6, 7. And then the next one on the bottom was 7 6. And so Creed was like, 6, 7, 6, 7. And I'm like, oh, my God, please.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

But it is really cute, like, the little ones that are doing it. But once you get past, like, a certain age and you're doing it, I'm like, can y' all just Stop.

[Kale Lowry]

Like, I don't want to hear Elliot say six, seven.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Yeah, like please don't. And on that note, we have foul play.

[Kale Lowry]

What up, kitty gang? Let me get straight to it. After being laid off and unemployed for a year, I finally landed a job on my first day. I showed up 30 minutes early. So I sat in the parking lot on my phone with my husband for about 15 minutes telling him I was excited but a little nervous and needed to fart.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

We've all, we've all been excited, a little nervous, needed to fart.

[Kale Lowry]

Well, I walk in and the receptionist calls my new manager to come down into the lobby. As I'm waiting, I decided to run to the restroom before I get my day started. I went into the stall and got ready to empty my bladder. I pulled up, I pulled down the undies and realized it definitely wasn't a fart. I literally sharded and didn't realize it. I panicked and didn't know what to do. So I pulled them off, grabbed a bunch of toilet seat covers, rolled the shitty panties in and threw them in the trash. I grabbed a bunch of paper towels, cleaned myself up and went about my day commando. I immediately called my husband to tell him what happened. I was so embarrassed and wanted to walk out. But here I am, still here and nobody knows what happened. Hope you enjoyed the story.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Well, if you're like me, you would have just sharted your pants because I don't wear underwear. A shard is truly like one of the most diabolical things that I can think of in life.

[Kale Lowry]

I can't say that I've ever started.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

I've definitely started. Remember that time that I told you that I think I was like in kindergarten or first grade and I had like stomach bug and I started in my, my mom's backseat of her Honda?

[Kale Lowry]

No, I don't remember that story. But like stomach bug sharding is not the same as just everyday sharding. I've never sharded myself. I've either full blown myself or just farted. I've never sharted.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

Wait, somebody text me the other day and was like I myself in the car and I so bad wanted to be like that is my friend. Kale, is that you? I did not want to tell your business like that.

[Kale Lowry]

They need I tell my own business. Lindsay, if you ever need to call me the way that I called Becky to ask her about dis impacting herself and you're like, hey, can you tell us what to do if you shit yourself? Like I will be honest oh, my God.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

All right, guys, that's all we have time for today. Thank you for always supporting our show. Please subscribe and review on the Apple Podcast app, follow and rate on Spotify, or listen wherever you get your pods. For our latest merch, visit CoffeeConvo's podcast.com to shop. Full video episodes are available on Kale's Patreon at patreon.com Kale Lowry. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram and join our Facebook group to connect with us and our community. We hope that you guys have a fantastic week and we'll talk to you soon.

[Kale Lowry]

See ya.

[Lindsay Chrisley]

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