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Hi, cold case listeners. I'm Marissa Pinson, and before we get into this week's episode, I just wanted to remind you that episodes of Cold Case Files, as well as the A and E classic podcasts, I Survived, American justice, and City Confidential, are all available ad free on the new AE Crime and Investigation channel on Apple Podcasts and Apple plus for just 4.99amonth or $39.99 a year. And now onto the show. This program contains subject matter that may be disturbing to some listeners. Listener discretion is advised.
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We were just shocked at the number of women he was having contact with on a daily basis. He's driving around meeting women at hotels. He had women coming and going all the time. We'd hear screaming, slapping, chains, rattling. That was any normal situation. We probably would have broke down the door. For the John Robinsons of the world, the ultimate thrill is be able to kill somebody.
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There are over 100,000 cold cases in America. Only 1% are ever solved. This is one of those rare stories. On a sunlit morning on a farm in Kansas, detectives take the leashes off a team of canines trained to sniff out corpses. It doesn't take long before the dogs hit on two yellow barrels and a hunt for a serial killer begins. A hunt that began almost two decades earlier. It is the summer of 1984 in the flatlands of eastern Kansas. Paula Godfrey is 19 years old, fresh out of high school and looking to land her first job. She answers an ad in the local paper and a man named John Robinson offers her a position. The catch? Paula must attend a training seminar out of town. On August 23, the young woman hops into a car with Robinson. It is the last time Paula Godfrey's parents will see their daughter alive. Four months later, in January of 1985, Lisa Stacy is 19 years old with a five month old named Tiffany, no husband, and no way to support herself. Again, John Robinson comes to the rescue. Working through a local outreach group, Robinson offers Stacy money and sets her up in a motel. Lisa checks into the Roadway Inn on January 7, 1985 and checks out. On January 10, the bill is settled by Robinson and Lisa. Stacy, like Paula Godfrey before her, disappears this time along with her five month old daughter. Inside a Missouri parole office, Steve Hames is the first local investigator to take a hard look at John Robinson. Not in connection with the missing Kansas woman, but but as the result of concerns raised by a charity called Birthright. Robinson is offering aid to young pregnant women in the community and Birthright wants to confirm the local businessman is legit. Haim sits down with Robinson.
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He told me a similar story to what he had told Birthright that he and some area businessmen who had done very well had decided they wanted to give back to the community and had decided to set up this program to help young girls with babies.
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Some might find Robinson's story heartwarming. Hames, however, does not, mostly because Robinson is a convicted embezzler and con man.
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My initial thought was, you know, what's his angle here? Who's he trying to con money out of and how's he going to do it?
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Hames gets on the phone with other charitable organizations who complicate matters further, pointing out the first connection between Robinson and a woman gone missing.
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Almost as an afterthought, they said, you know, there is a girl that was referred to him with a baby, wasn't referred by us, but was referred by another local organization and she's missing.
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The girl is Lisa Stacey with her baby. Five month old Tiffany. Hames then checks with Detective Sergeant Marty Ingram of the Overland park police, who fills him in on Robinson's missing employee, Paula Godfrey.
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You've got a girl with a baby and a girl without a baby. What's the connection? Where's all of this going? And again going back to what's his angle in this and how is he going to make money out of this?
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Haynes senses he might be tapping into something deeper than petty fraud, but has nothing more than his own suspicions.
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I'd found from past experience with con men, the best thing you can do is play them a little bit at their own game and try and catch them up in their lies.
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Hames enlists the help of the FBI and Agent Tom Lavin. Together they search for any possible probation violations that might put Robinson, at least temporarily, back in prison.
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We came upon an individual by the name of Teresa Williams that was being had been placed in an apartment by John Robinson. She told us that not only had she seen him with the firearm, but that on one occasion that he had taken this revolver and that he had put the gun barrel in her vagina and had threatened her with that and said something to the effect of, you know, how would you like a blowout.
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The use of a firearm, coupled with allegations by Williams that Robinson had supplied her with drugs, is more than enough to revoke probation. By the spring of 1987, however, Robinson is back on the streets and women once again begin to disappear.
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There was a very good possibility that Mr. Robinson was in fact a serial killer.
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In the spring of 1987, the Overland Park Police Department takes a call about Katherine Clampett, another woman who took a job with Robinson and has now gone missing.
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There were numerous females that had answered some ads in the newspaper regarding an opportunity to start a new life, whether that be in modeling, being an assistant, you know, some type of a rouge to get females to meet him, and this would be the last time that they would be seen.
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Like Steve Hames before him, Marty Ingraham believes John Robinson to be nothing less than a predator. One who has learned the first rule of serial killing. Get rid of the body. And more often than not, you can get away with just about anything.
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You knew that he was responsible for some very evil things, but you follow up the leads and he just kept turning up dead ends. It became very frustrating.
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Catherine Clampett joins Lisa Stacy, her baby Tiffany, and Paula Godfrey in the Cold Files. Meanwhile, Ingraham, like Hames before him, looks for a way to get Robinson off the streets.
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We looked at it as a situation of regardless of what type of crime that we can charge this gentleman with, we need to get him charged and get him in prison and away from the civilian community.
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Ingraham is able to develop a chargeable case against Robinson, not for murder, but on an unrelated charge of fraud. Robinson is once again sent to prison, and investigators begin the hunt for bodies they suspect he has hidden across the Kansas countryside. The search, however, turns up nothing, and Robinson's release date looms. It is scheduled for the winter of 1994.
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We're really quite aggressively pursuing the fact that he was a threat to the community. You know, they have certain due process rights. You can't just lock them up and throw away the key.
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After he is released for six years, Robinson allows the community to grow comfortable with his presence. Then women once again begin to vanish. It's March of 2000, more than a decade since Marty Ingraham was part of the team working the disappearances tied to Robinson. Now he is a patrol sergeant with the Overland Park Police Department. One morning, an officer rings him up for help with a missing person.
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He had contacted me and had indicated that there was a family in Michigan who had wanted to report their daughter as missing.
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The woman, Suzette Troughton, had met a man online and moved to Kansas after the promise of a job. Her family provides police with some of her email correspondence, as well as a photo left behind by Suzette.
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With the exception of a slightly more receded hairline. I knew without question that it was the John Robinson that I had worked almost 20 years prior and at that point, you know, it's one of those feelings that come over you that you hope that it isn't the person that you think it is.
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After looking at the photo, Marty Ingraham fears two things. John Robinson is once again active and Suzette Troughton is most likely dead. Ingraham gets on the phone with Joe Reed from Homicide.
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It was immediately apparent to me the importance of the investigation and the fact that we needed to give it a lot of serious attention.
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Immediately Reed sends a team to the hotel where Suzette Troughton was last seen. There they recover a surveillance tape showing John Robinson walking through the lobby. At this point investigators also realize the hotel is actually in the neighboring town of Lenexa.
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So I called Rick Roth, my counterpart in Lenexa and let him know that I had a real can of worms for him. They wanted to be active in the investigation and actually offered their services to us.
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Overland park and Lenexa form a task force and begin running the investigation on two tracks. One team initiates round the clock surveillance on Robinson and the second talks to Suzette Trouton's family looking for an angle on Robinson.
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Honestly when I knew she was missing.
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And when they said that everything had been taken from the guest house and he is saying that he didn't know anything about it, I honestly thought that she had either been kidnapped or she was dead.
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There's no way she would not get.
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A hold of my parents. Kim Dodd is Suzette Troughton's sister. She and her mother Carolyn tell police they have already spoken with Robinson who claims that Suzette left on a year long boating trip with a wealthy attorney. Carolyn Troughton also tells the investigators she has a way to reach Robinson on his side cell phone. This gives Sergeant Dave Brown an idea.
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We were going to have Carolyn call John Robinson to see if she could strike up a conversation with him again. He wanted to actually try to get.
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John Robinson on tape. Anything that mom could get him to, you know, to say that maybe they could figure something out as to where.
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She was and stuff. Hello Susie, this is John. Oh I just. Listen, have you heard from Susie? Susie? Golly, no, not for, well I guess since the first of the month. What did she have to say then? Who's this? Carolyn? Her mother. Oh, okay.
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I'm sorry.
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At first she didn't recognize who was calling. It had been some time since he had spoke to Carolyn and in the recording that Carolyn made you could hear John struggling, wanting to grasp what was going on. From what I understand they're not coming back. They're going on a trip from there. They're going to whatever's next and going east or west? West, I guess they're going to sail around the world from what I was told. They're going to go to New Zealand or Australia and do some islands and things like that. Throughout the conversation you could hear him struggling for what am I going to say to this woman? To, to make her leave me alone, you know, to, to make her feel like everything's okay. When, when of course he knew that it wasn't. I wouldn't, you know, I really wouldn't, wouldn't worry about it too much. I'm sure that when, when they hit the next place, they'll, they'll send us a card or call us or email us or something. All right, well, if you hear anything you, I will call you. Okay. Thank you a lot. All right, Bye. Bye. Bye.
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Robinson recognizes the police trap and says nothing incriminating to Carolyn Troughton about her daughter. With one avenue of investigation closed, all eyes turned to surveillance and the hope that John Robinson makes a mistake. On March 29, 2000, the second day of Robinson's surveillance, Rick Roth is in the lead vehicle in a six car team tailing the suspect. A little after 2pm Robinson leaves Olathe and begins to head out on Route 169 into the empty expanse of eastern Kansas.
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Several of us got lost. We had no communication whatsoever. Our police radios failed, they were out of range. Our cell phones wouldn't work. Several officers just drove around until we located each other.
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Robinson leads officers to an 18 acre piece of land with a single trailer home in the middle of nowhere. Perfect for a serial killer.
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We had made the decision that this was going to be a covert investigation. We did not want Robinson knowing anything about it. So basically we waited for him to leave.
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Robinson stays inside the farmhouse for the better part of an hour, then gets in his car and heads back to town.
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Obviously we want to get on the property to see if there was any burial sites or any bodies here. But we needed evidence and we needed a reason to get a search warrant to get on here.
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The team lacks probable cause for a warrant and must bide its time. Meanwhile, back in Olathe, another part of the task force goes to work picking through Robinson's trash. Detective Jack Boyer is an expert in sifting for clues in disposed items.
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Trashing's involved actually going to someone's house and picking up their trash and then we leave other trash bags in their place so that they're not suspicious of it.
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Boyer begins switching out John Robinson's trash twice a week. The suspect has shredded all his receipts and personal documents, but investigators persevere, using tape to reassemble the pieces of what they hope will be a clue.
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We were very lucky in the respect that we got several pieces of paper that we were able to tape back together and we found out where he was making payments to a couple of.
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Storage lockers, two storage lockers located just across the border in Raymore, Missouri.
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We had no good physical evidence against John Robinson. We tried to get into his lockers with cameras, with surveillance. We never could pull it off until we had some evidence to get us into his home or his storage locker. We were at a standstill.
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What Robinson has stored inside the lockers remains as much a mystery as the boarded up farm he visits. To get inside either location, detectives need a search warrant. Cooler days call for layers that last and Quince has quickly become my go to for quality essentials that feel cozy, look refined and don't break the budget. Imagine $50 Mongolian cashmere sweaters. You'll want to live in premium denim that fits like it was made for you and luxe outerwear so timeless it becomes your fall uniform year after year. Right now I'm especially eyeing their wool coats. They look designer level but cost a fraction of the price and the quality just as good, maybe even better. What I love about quints is how they pull this off by partnering directly with top tier ethical factories and cutting out the middlemen. And they deliver luxury quality pieces at half the price of similar brands. It's the kind of wardrobe upgrade that feels smart, stylish and effortless. Personally, my charcoal cashmere crew neck and their tailored long coat are my fall staples. I've been living in them and honestly, Quince has turned into my one stop shop. Not just for clothing, but for little home luxuries that make the season feel even cozier. Upgrade your fall layers at Quint's. You'll see why these pieces are worth keeping year after year. Find your fall staples at Quint's. Go to quince.comcoldcase for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada too. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com coldcase to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com coldcase cold case files is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. You chose to hit play on this podcast today. Smart Choice Progressive loves to help people make smart Choices. That's why they offer a tool called Auto Quote Explorer that allows you to compare your Progressive Car Insurance quote with rates from other companies so you save time on the research and can enjoy savings. When you choose the best rate for you, give it a try. After this episode@progressive.com, progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates not available in all states or situations. Prices vary based on how you buy. In a small town called Olathe, a murder investigation begins to gain steam as a team of investigators build their case. Case against John Robinson, a local they believe killed at least four women and an infant.
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You know, he was a complete, I guess, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
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Keith O' Neill is a captain in the Overland Park Police Department and leads John Robinson's surveillance. His job is to follow Robinson around town and see what he does with his day.
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From 8:30 in the morning to 5 in the afternoon, he would be out. He would meet other females. We found out about some girlfriends that he had. But by 5 o' clock virtually every day, he was home. When his wife got home, they had dinner together, and he looked like an all American family. After five o' clock each day, o'.
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Neal discovers Robinson has women set up in a string of hotels throughout the area. One of them is the Extended Stay Hotel. Detective Mike Lowther is assigned to cover that location.
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On a particular day, one local hotel did call us and informed us that he had made a reservation and that a woman had checked into the room that he had reserved.
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The detectives rent a room adjoining Robinson's and wait for him to arrive. When he does, investigators press their ears to the wall and listen as Robinson explains, explains to the woman what he would like her to do.
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At first, the conversation was very cordial. It was basically an introduction to her of the BDSM lifestyle, kind of the rules that govern it.
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BDSM stands for bondage, discipline and sadomasochism, a type of sexual lifestyle that involves handcuffs, chains, and a dominant submissive relationship. In this case, with Robinson playing the.
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Dominant role, his voice became a little sterner, a little more demanding. I could hear the sound of chains rattling.
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Detectives in the room adjacent to Robinson are in a difficult spot. Not sure if they're listening to an argument over rough sex or a prelude to murder.
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We'd hear, you know, screaming, slapping. If that was any normal situation, we probably would have broke down the door under this one. We had to hold off and make a decision. How much screaming was someone in trouble and how much of it was part of the bdsm lifestyle. We didn't know if he would actually kill them or hurt them inside the hotel room or not, but of course, we were concerned about that.
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The surveillance team decides to sit tight. Believing the women to be safe and unwilling to reveal their cover, they make the right decision. Robinson exits the hotel, and the woman eventually checks out, apparently unharmed. A month later, the woman, identified by detectives as Vicky Neufeld, turns up again, filing a complaint against Robinson for stealing a bag filled with her favorite sex toys. Another of Robinson's sex partners also comes forward, claiming Robinson played a little too rough in one of their encounters. Detectives believe these women might be the break they're looking for.
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When those two women came forward and wanted to press charges, that was the linchpin that put the case together. Everything that we had up to that point was pretty circumstantial. But when they came forward with actual charges against him, it opened the door for us to go ahead with the search warrants. And that led to his arrest.
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On June 2, 2000, a judge grants an arrest warrant for John Robinson on a charge of battery. He also signs a series of search warrants on Robinson's home, his rural farmland property, and his storage lockers. On a Friday morning in June, Overland park detective Greg Wilson and Lenexa detective Jack Boyer arrive at John Robinson's trailer home. They tell the suspect that he is under arrest for assault and theft.
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And I just told him, and I said, don't be surprised if we charge you with murder. And his response was, murder? I said, yeah, five counts of it. And then I started naming these females names. And when I got to Suzette Trouton, Greg said the color just completely left his face. He was kind of demure, sort of. But as soon as we walked out that door, his back straightened up and he kind of looked at me and he goes, jesus, you guys are making big production out of this.
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Robinson is walked out of his home in handcuffs. Now it is up to detectives to find a link to one of the missing women or lose Robinson as a suspect forever.
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We knew that we were showing our hand, and I think everybody had a great deal of anxiety. As far as you know, this is going to be our one time deal with this guy.
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A forensic team descends on the home, searching for any evidence of foul play. After four hours of work, they have found nothing. Cold case detectives, however, are far from finished. Their next stop is John Robinson's place in the country.
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We started out early in the morning. The plan was for everybody to go down there without the press ever knowing about it. First on the scene were the cadaver dogs from Missouri Search and Rescue.
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On June 3, Rick Roth leads a team onto 18 acres of land in a desolate corner of Linn County, Kansas.
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We had really thought we would find a burial spot and by noon we haven't found anything remotely close. I think everybody was dejected, worried that, you know, this was the one spot we thought we would find the remains.
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At a little after one o', clock, one of the cadaver dogs finds an area behind a shed where several barrels are stacked.
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And one of the first things to be moved was one of the yellow barrels that was sitting there. And when we uprighted that barrel, we saw blood come out of that. As I got within about 10ft of the barrel, I smelled an odor that through experience, I associated with that of a decomposing body. Again, taking video of the property of John Robinson. It's a mobile home trailer on the property beyond the trees.
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On a spring day in Kansas, on a farm owned by suspected serial killer John Robinson, evidence technician Harold Hughes opens the lids on two yellow barrels and takes a look inside.
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I opened the first barrel and confirmed that there was in fact a body there. Then we opened the second barrel and confirmed that there was a body in it. The smell was horrendous. Once he popped the seal and lifted that lid, the smell was just drove him back. He could only hold his breath so long, then he'd drop the lid, catch his breath and pull it up again.
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Both barrels contained the bodies of white females, one significantly more decomposed than the other.
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It appeared that they had been placed in the barrel's head first. The head and shoulders down in the bottom of the barrel with the back and hips pressed against the side. The, the knees down close to the face.
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The yellow barrels confirmed John Robinson is every bit the monster cold case detectives have always suspected. The only questions now how many did he kill? What are their names and why? Coroner Donald Poyman is given the task of taking the bodies out of the metal barrels and performing autopsies. Upon examination, Poyman determines that both women were killed in a similar fashion. Blunt force trauma to the head.
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Both victims had injuries to the left side of the skull and they had circular injuries, sort of a punched in lesion into the skull. Typically, the weapon of choice is a hammer. Now it could be any other object that is heavy and has a circular end to it.
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The medical examiner begins his investigation by trying to establish a framework for the time of death.
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The first one we looked at, she obviously had less decomposition than the other one. And so I estimated her time of death to be within several months to possibly a year. The other one, because of the state of decomposition, I thought it was closer to six months to two years.
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The first body is believed to be Suzette Troughton, the last of Robinson's suspected victims gone missing just two months prior. The second woman does not fit any of Robinson's other suspected victims. All missing at least 13 years. Cold case detectives wonder if this could be yet another woman they knew nothing about. A review of Robinson's personal records reveals a potential candidate, a woman named Isabella Luicka.
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Her name had just come up approximately three or four days before that when we had subpoenaed his checking account and we saw her name where he was giving her 200$300 checks on a routine basis.
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Police learned Luika was another of Robinson's S and M sexual partners that went missing the year before. Dental records confirmed both Lueka and Troughton's IDs. Two women accounted for. At least three others, however, remained missing. Detectives head next to Robinson's private storage lockers. Two days later, at a little after 10am Detective Mike Lowther clips the lock on a storage facility rented by Robinson. Lowther and his team worked their way through the piles of junk to the back of the locker.
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I remember somebody making the comment, are those barrels? And kind of looked up and it's like, yeah, I think those are barrels. So we pulled some more stuff off and we found three barrels that were wrapped in heavy clear plastic and heavily taped with duct tape.
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Investigators removed one of the barrels bearing the label rendered pork fat.
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When we opened up the barrel, there was a shoe. I think it was a tennis shoe that was kind of on the top. And we inspected the barrel further and found a body inside the barrel. We only opened the one once we opened up the one, we assumed that the other two probably contained bodies.
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Also, the medical examiner's office confirmed each barrel holds the body of a Caucasian female, each killed by blunt force trauma to the head. Investigators believe these victims to be three Overland park women. Paula Godfrey, who went missing in 1984. Lisa Stacey, missing with her infant, Tiffany since 1985, and Catherine Clampett, who went missing in 1987. Once again, however, investigators are wrong. The rate of decomposition indicates the women in the storage locker have not been dead that long.
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It wasn't shocking, but it threw a whole lot more mess into the situation there. Now we had three additional victims in conjunction with the Overland park women that we had to look into.
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Investigators eventually Identify the victims as Sheila and Debbie Faith, a mother and daughter who met John Robinson over the Internet in 1994. And Bev Bonner, a librarian at the prison where Robinson was the locked up for fraud. Paul Morrison is a Johnson County District attorney.
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In every one of those victims there was a financial angle to that. The Faiths we believe that he killed them for their Social Security benefits. And in fact we were able to prove that he had defrauded the federal government to the tune of about $80,000 over the years by stealing their Social Security benefits after they were dead. Bev Bonner, who had divorced her husband for him, was probably killed for alimony money because her ex husband continued to write alimony checks and mail them to a P.O. box. And little did he know that his ex wife was dead and that John Robinson was cashing those checks by forging her name and putting them in his bank accounts.
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A judge steps into the serial killings investigation. Before charges are even filed, he's putting.
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A gag order on all the major players in the Johnny Robinson case. Robinson remains jailed in Olathe, suspected in the murder of five women. Their bodies were found in barrels on his Linn county farm and in a storage locker in Raymore.
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With bodies being found across the countryside, John Robinson suddenly becomes big news. He refuses to talk to police, is arraigned on five counts of murder and sits in a county jail awaiting trial. Meanwhile, the strange case of the Kansas serial killer is about to take yet another turn. In Cicero, Illinois, on the outskirts of Chicago, 15 year old Heather Tiffany Robinson sits in front of her computer, confused. Her uncle John has just been arrested for murder, a fact she finds hard to accept. Heather accesses a website on the case and pulls up photos of Robinson's suspected victims. One is of a baby believed to be the missing daughter of a woman Robinson allegedly murdered. The woman is Lisa Stacey, the baby Heather recognizes as herself. Her family calls police.
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It was a huge surprise to us and certainly I've never heard of anything like it before. The fact that she'd been missing for 15, 16 years at the time and then resurfaced.
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Investigators travel to Chicago and learn that in 1985, John Robinson sold a baby to his brother Donald and Donald's wife Frieda. That baby grew up to be Heather. Detectives collect a footprint from the 15 year old and compare it with a print from Lisa Stacy's missing infant.
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The fingerprint examiner compared the footprint of the adolescent to the footprint of the infant and indicated that they were made by the same person.
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The footprints unravel the last bit of doubt about what happened to Lisa Stacy. In fact, police recover a picture taken they suspect just hours after Robinson killed Stacey. It's a family photo. John Robinson is in the front row and on his knee is Lisa Stacey's infant.
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John Robinson's got that baby and posing for pictures in his house with that baby bouncing on his knee with his brother and sister in law there who have come down to Chicago to get their new adopted baby. He told them that through his connections in the community he'd been able to find this baby whose mother had committed suicide in a hotel room.
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Lisa Stacey's murder is added to the list of charges. Robinson faces a set of crimes for which the state of Kansas is prepared to seek the death penalty.
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I have never prosecuted any in my 24 years as a prosecutor that was more deserving of the death penalty than John Robinson. It is impossible to describe or to estimate the amount of suffering John Robinson has inflicted on other people throughout his lifetime. Foreign.
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We had great evidence against John Robinson, but the challenge was, how do we put 17 years of criminal conduct that involves thousands and thousands of pages of police reports and hundreds of witnesses in some sort of an understandable format so a jury can understand what all he's done?
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The DA's biggest challenge is to make a jury understand how a nondescript middle aged businessman could lure women to Kansas. In some cases, seduce and then kill them.
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Most of the women that he was hooking up with were women that he'd met on the Internet in these bondage, sadomasochism chat rooms. He was holding himself out as this rich sort of philanthropist who was also a slave master.
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Robinson surfed the Internet daily, offering his services in a BDSM relationship. Mistress Carol has been in the lifestyle for 10 years.
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A master slave relationship is really kind of an intellectual relationship. It is where one person takes control in the relationship and where one person willingly gives up the control.
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The BDSM relationship is a powerful and potentially dangerous one. If a master abuses his control, there is little chance of anyone ever finding out.
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Many of the people may be ashamed to let anyone in their family or.
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Let their friends know about.
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Maybe they are afraid of ridicule. I really don't know.
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But I think the secrecy of it.
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Enables someone like John Robinson to do.
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The things that he did. In the two month period that Robinson was being watched, investigators identified no less than 3, 30 different women with whom he was carrying on BDSM activity.
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We were just shocked at the number of women he was having contact with on a daily basis. He was on his cell phones, literally off and on all day long. He's driving around, meeting women at hotels. It was almost like he's running a travel agency. He had women coming and going all the time, really, in some ways, almost kind of a sexual dynamo for a man of his age, which you would Never think by looking at him.
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According to investigators, no one but Robinson knows why he chose to kill some women and not others. Most, however, agree he is a sociopath and a sexual sadist who, if not stopped, would never have tired of killing.
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He doesn't have the ability to empathize with other people. So hurting other people or ripping them off or whatever, victimizing them, however he chooses to do that isn't going to bother him. You've got that coupled with the fact that in order for him to get off sexually, the threshold for that is going to continue to rise. And for the John Robinsons of the world, the ultimate thrill is to be able to kill somebody. This is a slave contract in this red folder with a clear plastic face. And it has a signature of Suzette Brown.
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John Robinson goes to trial in the fall of 2002. He is charged with capital murder in the deaths of Suzette Troughton and Isabella Lueca. Murder won for Lisa Stacy, as well as the kidnapping and sale of her baby. The trial lasts six weeks.
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Body was in the barrel, head down in approximately 14 inches of fluid.
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On October 29, Robinson is found guilty on all counts.
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We're successful in convicting him of everything and in the penalty phase, the jury rolled with us and decided to recommend the death sentence which the judge gave him.
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Robinson is removed from death row only long enough to face three more counts of murder in the state of Missouri for the deaths of Bev Bonner and Sheila and Debbie Faith, each found in a barrel inside Robinson's storage locker. Robinson pleads guilty to murdering all three and also pleads guilty to the homicides of of two Overland park women, Paula Godfrey in 1984 and Catherine Clampett in 1987. Robinson, however, refuses to reveal how he killed them or where their bodies might be found. Finally, he is returned to death row, the investigation over and the killing finally stopped.
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Host: Paula Barros (A&E / PodcastOne)
Release Date: October 14, 2025
This gripping episode explores the chilling and complex investigation into John Robinson, a manipulative con man who became one of America’s most notorious serial killers. Spanning nearly two decades, the episode details Robinson’s pattern of luring vulnerable women with false promises, their subsequent disappearances, and the painstaking work of investigators who finally brought him to justice. The story weaves through themes of deception, the dangers lurking in alternative sexual subcultures, and the technological and forensic breakthroughs that ultimately resolved a decades-old mystery.
On Robinson’s duplicity:
"He was a complete, I guess, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde..." — Capt. Keith O’Neill (17:37)
On legal strategy:
"Regardless of what type of crime we can charge this gentleman with, we need to get him... away from the civilian community." — Marty Ingraham (06:56)
On the challenge of the investigation:
"How do we put 17 years of criminal conduct... in some sort of understandable format so a jury can understand what all he’s done?" — DA Paul Morrison (34:55)
On Robinson’s psychological profile:
"You’ve got that coupled with the fact that in order for him to get off sexually, the threshold for that is going to continue to rise." — Interviewee, criminal psychologist (37:30)
| Timestamp (MM:SS) | Content | |-------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:32–03:47 | Initial disappearances: Paula Godfrey and Lisa Stacy; suspicions arise about John Robinson | | 03:47–06:56 | Early investigation highlights Robinson's background and connections to missing women | | 08:11–09:48 | Task force assembled after Suzette Troughton’s disappearance | | 12:26–14:48 | Surveillance, trash search, discovery of storage locker clues | | 20:35–21:23 | Battery charges from BDSM partners give police grounds for a search | | 22:27–24:41 | Cadaver dogs discover first barrels and victims | | 27:04–28:32 | More victims found in storage lockers as investigation expands | | 29:50–32:12 | Revelation of Heather Tiffany Robinson’s true identity – closure to Lisa Stacy’s case | | 34:55–36:11 | DA explains difficulty condensing years of evidence for the jury | | 38:31–39:24 | Conviction, sentencing, and final legal outcomes for Robinson |
"Sex, Lies and Murder" masterfully reconstructs one of America’s most disturbing serial killer investigations. The episode stands out for its clear-eyed depiction of the fighters for justice—detectives and prosecutors who, despite years of setbacks, ultimately exposed John Robinson’s horrifying crimes. With expert storytelling and direct quotes from those who brought the case to closure, listeners gain tense, emotionally charged insight into the mind of a sociopathic predator, the failures and triumphs of law enforcement, and the role of chance and forensics in delivering belated justice.