PSA Pricing, Super Bowl Card Hype & the Vintage Advantage

Summary

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Collector Nation – Episode Summary

Episode Title: PSA Pricing, Super Bowl Card Hype & the Vintage Advantage
Air Date: February 13, 2026
Hosts: Ryan Alford & Brian Ludden

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Overview

In this episode, hosts Ryan Alford and Brian Ludden dig into the aftermath of the Super Bowl, speculate on the evolving hype cycles for cards, dissect the latest PSA grading price/timing hike, and break down why vintage still rules for savvy collectors. The conversation blends timely market talk, sports banter, hobby insights, and a few memorable stories from behind the counter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Super Bowl Recap: "The Super Bust"

• Both hosts agree the Super Bowl was a letdown, both as sports fans and in terms of hobby excitement.
  • Quote [01:32] Ryan: “I call it the Super Bust. Everything about the super bowl was a bust for me. There was just nothing enjoyable about that whole experience.”
  • Quote [01:49] Brian: “I don't even know who Bad Bunny was, and I don't ever need to know who he is. But the game itself was just. It just was not good.”
• Discussion of the Seahawks’ dominant season and Sam Darnold’s performance, highlighting a shift in hobby attention for certain player cards after the game.
• Patriots as underdogs didn’t resonate: “It was hard for me to root for the Patriots as the underdog… That narrative didn't really work for me.” – Ryan [02:17]

2. Super Bowl Card Ripple: Player Prices & Hype

• Sam Darnold’s card prices spiked quick post-Super Bowl.
  • Quote [08:23] Ryan: “His [Darnold’s] 2018 Don Russ optic was 260 bucks and now it's 450. Sounds about right. Super bowl pop.”
  • Brian [09:01]: “Almost double.”
• The hosts discuss the continued whiplash between card prices and player performance in real-time, emphasizing the speculative nature of modern trading cards.

3. Hobby Calendar: The Transition from Football to Baseball

• The offseason means sports collectors start prepping for baseball releases.
  • Ryan [09:02]: “2026 Tops Baseball is releasing this week...this is like the first thing not only with the hobby, but sort of baseball in general.”
• Noting Topps’ 75th anniversary and ongoing product innovations, such as vintage-inspired card designs and celebrity/athlete autos.

4. PSA Grading: Price & Timing Increases

• The hosts break down PSA’s new pricing—higher fees and longer wait times.
  • Quote [10:47] Ryan: “When you rule your own world, you can set all the rules...it's fascinating to me what they're being allowed to do in this industry without much scrutiny.”
• Business logic of price increases: If demand outpaces supply, raising prices is expected.
  • Brian [11:29]: “Everyone does. If there's more demand and you have supply, prices go up.”
• Real concern is turnaround time for modern cards:
  • Brian [13:26]: “Instead of raising the prices, the biggest thing is the turnaround because these cards every week…are doubling in price and having in price... I would be more concerned about the turnaround time.”
• The futility of grading non-10 modern cards:
  • Quote [12:29] Ryan: “If you get an eight and it's modern, crack it because it's worth less than raw.”

5. Vintage Cards: The Steady Play

• Unanimous faith in vintage graded cards as lower risk and more predictable in value.
  • Ryan [13:51]: “If you're grading vintage, it's a no brainer… even a 3,4,5,6,7 is worth more. Way more than raw.”
  • Brian [14:29]: “There's less pressure. It's like buying a bond instead of a stock.”
• Mention of Ken Golden’s upcoming (2/24) appearance to reinforce vintage as the "safe long-term bet":
  • Ryan [16:23]: “Vintage baseball especially. But vintage anything is a safe bet. Long term, short term, everything.”
• The dangers of altered vintage: trimming and authentication are discussed, but grading is usually worthwhile for vintage.

6. Big Sales & Market Trends

• Notable sale: Michael Jordan 2003-04 UD Exquisite Collection Logoman 1/1 auto sells for $800,000.
  • Ryan [17:59]: “A signed Michael Jordan trading card told for 800,000. 800,000 big ones.”
  • Brian [19:19]: “They’ll make money. That’s a 3 million dollar card in 10 years. Maybe not in that long. It's Michael Jordan.”
• Discussion of investor funds entering the high-end card market and the possible impact of “herd mentality” pricing.
• Pokemon’s market growth:
  • Bella [19:54]: “Pokemon over the last two years has outperformed gold and the S&P 500.”

7. Personal Rips, Stories, and Card Shop Realities

• Ryan’s late-night rip: pulls a gold Mega Lucario, reflecting on the fun (and pitfalls) of speculative breaking.
  • Ryan [20:09]: "You know they say you don't get high on your own supply… I was ripping through some Pokemon last night late."
  • Card quickly dropped in price, illustrating volatility even in non-sports cards.
• Friendly banter about card shop temptation and the joy of pulling hits firsthand.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On grading modern cards:
  • “If you get an eight and it's modern, crack it because it's worth less than raw.” – Ryan Alford [12:29]
• On vintage vs. modern:
  • “There's less pressure. It's like buying a bond instead of a stock.” – Brian Ludden [14:29]
• On the PSA pricing change:
  • “When you rule your own world, you can set all the rules… it's fascinating to me what they're being allowed to do in this industry without much scrutiny.” – Ryan Alford [10:47]
• On appreciating big pulls and market lessons:
  • “Kids listening, you know, with speculation, opportunity, and risk combined with a little stupidity and beer, you too can rip a card of your dreams.” – Ryan Alford [22:01]
• On market psychology:
  • “When it becomes a herd mentality and there's too many of them, they tend to move the prices up too much and, and kind of stifle what their return would be.” – Brian Ludden [18:22]

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Important Timestamps

• Super Bowl & hobby wrap-up: 01:32–04:45
• Sam Darnold card spike: 08:23–09:02
• Upcoming releases (Topps 2026, V Friends, etc.): 09:02–11:29, 17:22
• PSA pricing & process discussion: 10:47–13:26
• Value of vintage cards: 13:51–16:44
• High-end market discussion (Jordan card, funds): 17:59–19:19
• Pokemon outperforming gold: 19:54–20:01
• Personal pulling stories and hobby reflections: 20:09–22:01

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Tone & Atmosphere

Friendly, candid, and loaded with insider hobby knowledge; the hosts blend playful banter (“I might have kicked your ass right there” – Ryan to Brian [08:13]) with honest analysis, making it clear they live and breathe the collector lifestyle.

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For Collectors Who Missed the Episode

Expect sharp commentary on hot market topics (PSA, Super Bowl fallout, release calendars), plenty of practical hobby advice—especially on grading strategies—and a seasoned perspective on why vintage cards still shine in a volatile, hype-driven market. Plus, you’ll get a dose of hobby storytelling and a sneak peek at future guests and products coming soon.

Transcript

[Ryan Alford]

Hey, super bowl happened. I call it the Super Bust. Everything about the super bowl was a bust for me. There was just nothing enjoyable about that whole experience.

[Brian Ludden]

The game itself just was not good. And I'm happy for Darnold. No offense, but I'm fine watching the Patriots get their butt kicked in the Super Bowl. Did you see PSA announcement?

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah, I did see that. Price increases and timing increase. Is that right?

[Brian Ludden]

That's what I saw.

[Ryan Alford]

Hey, when you rule your own world, you can set all the rules. It's just you gotta have the right level of scrutiny. And the tools are there with AI and other things to help you with the scrutiny of what should or shouldn't be great.

[Brian Ludden]

I think the biggest risk you have back there is altered people trimming those. But I like vintage. There's less pressure. It's like buying a bond instead of a stock.

[Podcast Announcer]

Welcome to the Collector Nation podcast here on the Collector Nation Network. Whether you're chasing grails or calling bluffs, we take you inside the hobby. Here are your hosts, Ryan Alford and Brian Ludden.

[Ryan Alford]

What's up, guys? Welcome to Collector Nation here on the Collector Nation Network. Always with my good buddy here on Fridays, Brian Ludden. He is the CEO of ludxs L U D E X, the best scanning, collection management, ebay listing software on the App Store. What's up, Ryan?

[Brian Ludden]

What's up, my man? How you doing?

[Ryan Alford]

I'm good, man. Hey, super bowl happened. I call it the Super Bust. Everything about the super bowl was a bust for me. I'm just gonna be. Just gonna put it out. I'm not normally a Negative Nancy. I try not to be, but there was just nothing enjoyable about that whole experience.

[Brian Ludden]

I agree. I mean, it was. I don't even know who Bad Bunny was, and I don't ever need to know who he is. But the game itself was just. It was. It just was not good. I mean, the Seahawks, I mean, they're a good football team. They probably were the best team all season. They beat some really good teams. Really? By a lot of points.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah.

[Brian Ludden]

And I'm. I'm happy for Darnold.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah.

[Brian Ludden]

And no offense, but I. I'm fine. Watching the Patriots get their butt kicked in the Super Bowl.

[Ryan Alford]

It was hard for me to root for the Patriots as the underdog. And I knew and. And they were. Four and a half points was a joke. Seattle looked like the better team coming in. The defense was dominant. It played out. Exactly. Is having no skin in the game not caring about either team. It played out exactly like I would have analyzed it too. Which is dominant defense from Seattle and Patriots defense was good too, but just a better overall showing. But it's hard to root for the Patriots. Like it's too soon for them to be the underdog and me to go, oh the yeah. Hope the Patriots can as the underdog really overcome Seattle. That narrative didn't really work for me.

[Brian Ludden]

No, that was. They. They beat him last time on that stupid play calling. So I was. I was fine with it. I'm gonna miss football. I mean I don't watch the NBA. I will watch March Madness. I do watch U of I basketball. I'm U of I fan but honestly I miss football and you know, baseball.

[Ryan Alford]

It is the doldrums of, you know, of the time period with sports. You know, I do like March Madness, but then it's kind of. That comes and goes. The playoffs of the NBA are just too long. I can't get into four months of the NBA playoff. I get into like the last two series but the. The four month NBA playoffs and then it's just count. It really just becomes officially the super bowl is the countdown to win football starts again.

[Brian Ludden]

That's true. It does doesn't does tops. Pick it up. Pick up the license now. I thought it was after the Super Bowl.

[Ryan Alford]

I don't. I thought the date is technically the cards coming out like April or May. Okay. But I'm really. I'm excited because there's been no nothing but panini. It's been weird a little bit. Even though the unlicensed top stuff I wasn't a big fan of but now. But I'm a football cards are my thing. Like that's mine. It's funny talking to Cole who's here at the shop helping me manage the store and I go if you look around here and we've got everything in the store but it goes, you know, tell me your owner's a football fan without telling me your owner's a football fan. We got more football cards than anything. So bring on the tops. Licensed now. Yeah. Then I'll just be counting the days for when the season starts and hopefully Clemson's a little better this year.

[Brian Ludden]

Well, I don't think that could be much worse. Honestly. That was like you start talking about disappointing teams that they're. They're in. They're in the top.

[Ryan Alford]

God, ironically it was us in Penn State biggest disappoints of the year in the. In the toilet bowl game that we lost that too. So anyway, Drake May didn't have a Great game. But you know what? I know his cards are probably getting bashed a little bit. I haven't even looked at the pricing, quite frankly. I have a lot of his cards and I'll be holding those long term or selling them in the store. Overpriced. But the. Just kidding on that one. We have great prices here.

[Brian Ludden]

They're on sale.

[Ryan Alford]

But the. It's kind of as expected. First super bowl. Playing one of the most ridiculous defenses of the last, I don't know, five to seven years. I'm not going to say all time. I'm not that guy. All time. Best defenses. No. A really good defense. All time. Last five years, probably we're right up there with some of the best all time of the last. All five years. They were the best. Brian, I need some kind of hyp, I need some hyperbole for this highlight clip. But. And he got rattled a little bit and didn't look good. But I don't think anybody was going to look good against them.

[Brian Ludden]

No, I mean, when do. When will teams just dominate like the draft? Dominate, Offensive line, defensive line. I mean, honestly, we've seen Mahomes look human when he gets hit. Brady lost because he got hit.

[Ryan Alford]

Drake make.

[Brian Ludden]

Had no time. He got hit. Like I would just go offensive line, draft, defensive line, offensive line, defensive, offensive defense, then fill in the rest. Like, whatever, like. But when you can get to their quarterback and protect ears in the NFL, you're. You're a step ahead.

[Ryan Alford]

I did think that. I know the running back got the mvp, but Sam, I mean, Sam Darnold is as a good story. He played really well. He's more than. I mean, he looks like. I don't. He always had it in him. I. You could see, you know, streaks of it. But I wasn't rooting for a team in the game, but I was rooting for that guy.

[Brian Ludden]

Yeah, he's a likable dude and he went through a lot of stuff but I mean we came out of college, he was kind of doughy and like I, I think he probably just, you know, didn't understand what it would take to make it in this league. And then I think he committed and, you know, matured and I mean he'll be. He'll sign a big deal with Seattle and he'll be their quarterback for the next 10 years.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah. And looks like a good investment. And Minnesota, you know, botch that. I mean, right. Like, how do you let that guy out the door? And I guess you're hoping JJ McCarthy's it and maybe he still will be, but he hasn't signed it yet. We'll see. As a Bears fan, you don't really care, do you?

[Brian Ludden]

No, I don't. I'm glad that we had J.J. mcCarthy. He's even a Chicago guy. He grew up right by me. So, uh, yeah. No.

[Ryan Alford]

Is he. Is he it? Is he. Is he got it or is he not? Do you know. Do you have opinion on him?

[Brian Ludden]

You know what? I think he's got to grow up a bit. Like when he was. When he talks in third person about nine. I'm nines out there doing this and this. These are the type of plays nine makes. I'm like, stop. You're like, you're in the NFL now. Like you're not a child. Grow up. Commit to your craft. So I don't know.

[Ryan Alford]

Right. I wish you would sometimes say that's what you know, the kind of play Loden would make. Have you ever said that to me? I might have kicked your ass right.

[Brian Ludden]

There.

[Ryan Alford]

On the spot. I've been like, what did you just say? Yes. I have not heard that. I'm glad I haven't seen that. I would have never talked about him. No one does that. He definitely needs to grow up. But I was happy for Darnold. His prices are definitely on the rise. I did buy a few of those before because I was pretty certain that that of that outcome of the Super Bowl. Oh, 1 24. His 2018 Don Russ optic was 260 bucks and now it's 450. Sounds about right. Super bowl pop.

[Brian Ludden]

Almost double.

[Ryan Alford]

Almost double. I don't know. I like it might have been up there anyway, but 2026. Tops Baseball is releasing this week. We will have that here at Collector Station. Just a little side note, but it signals. This is like the. The first thing not only with the hobby, but sort of baseball in general. You get tops release, you get spring training and then you get opening day is right around the corner.

[Brian Ludden]

Yeah. First week of April.

[Ryan Alford]

First week of April. Part of me is like, where's time going and how fast is it going there?

[Brian Ludden]

Talking about long season. Holy crap.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah. Baseball. April to October. When aren't you playing Exactly. The only time we're not exactly so tops. 20, 26. 75 years of making tops baseball. That's. It's the 75th anniversary.

[Brian Ludden]

I'm not good with math, so. But is that like 51?

[Ryan Alford]

That math for us? Yeah. 1951. Is that their first year?

[Brian Ludden]

I guess somewhere around.

[Ryan Alford]

Has to be. That's a long time. I wish I had more of those. Yeah, I like some of those. Yeah, well, 52 tops. Mantle, right? Yeah, that's fine. Exactly. Give me some of those.

[Brian Ludden]

Did you see PSA announcement?

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah, I did see that. Price increases and timing increases. Is that right?

[Brian Ludden]

That's what I saw.

[Ryan Alford]

I mean, hey, when you rule your own world, you can, you know, set all the rules. I will say this, no one likes pricing increases. And it's, it's fascinating to me what, what they're being allowed to do in this industry without much scrutiny. But hey, Nat, hats off to him. He can get away with it. I mean, hey, good business, man. Clearly nothing but respect for him. But look, in any industry, speaking for business, if you're, if your demand is outpacing your supply and you are, you increase prices.

[Brian Ludden]

Yeah, everyone does.

[Ryan Alford]

Everyone does. If there's more demand and you have supply, prices go up.

[Brian Ludden]

In this industry, it's like, yeah, in this industry, people get so offended and I'm like, what do you think has happened to wages in the last two years? Like, and also to be honest, like, that's a really, really human intensity, like to. For degrade and human beings are expensive and you have to hire more people. The technology is where it flips, right? And if you start using more technology, then you can be more efficient and you would actually cut the times down. You'd probably bring the prices down because you're doing more. But they, they haven't really solved that yet. And, but you know, they, they're running a business. And it's also interesting because when you look at it there, let's say they charge 20 bucks and they get you a 10 and your car doubles in value. So let's say it goes from 100 to 200, you make 80 bucks. I mean, if it goes to 23, you're like, it, like it shouldn't matter, right?

[Ryan Alford]

Like as a percentage, it doesn't matter. I mean, the other thing I don't like, and it is vintage is different, but modern stuff. If you. It's 10 or not, it's 10 or bust. Like, because anything else and it nines are pretty much worth raw now. Like, it's almost identical. Eight's called what I call. And I'm not talking about the drug. Crack city. It's crack city. If you get an eight, you, you better keep some good pliers around because there's no reason to keep it in there for modern, modern only. Don't take that advice. This is not investment advice. This is not PSA cracking advice. This is just opinion there's that announcement that, that disclaimer. But in all seriousness, if you get an eight and it's modern, crack it because it's worth less than raw.

[Brian Ludden]

Yeah, you're right. And also when you let's talk about modern like the time I would say instead of like raising the prices like the biggest thing is the turnaround because like these cards every week you and I are talking about them and they're doubling in price and having in price and, and like you know, your guy can get hurt. So I think it really I would be more concerned about the turnaround time with the modern stuff because things get hot and then they get not.

[Ryan Alford]

I almost forgot this. I bought a. This is how we talk about like so much happens in a week, Brian. But it's related to this. I bought a box full of vintage baseball, football, basketball. We're talking 1950 to 1980. Talk about some really cool cards. Kevin McHale Rookies like cool shit. And if you grading vintage is a no brainer, you know, in bulk because Even if it's a 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, it's worth more. Way more than raw.

[Brian Ludden]

Way more.

[Ryan Alford]

Typically speaking, generally speaking, more than the grading. Way more than the grading fee. Yeah. To, to know that you have a four in a vintage card, that 20, 25 buck fee, it more than pays for that and it, and it creates more demand because there's no mystery of what the card is and that's what it remove. Sometimes the basis for our dissension and up and reason we're upset is because there's a failed premise to begin with or, or the, the, the problem is a lack of understanding or not being you know, happy with the price increase on that. But when the premise should have been this is probably underpriced already compared to what you can get for the right cards. It's just you gotta have the right level of scrutiny and the tools are there with AI and other things to help you with the scrutiny of what should or shouldn't be graded.

[Brian Ludden]

Yeah, I think the biggest risk you have back there is altered, you know, people trimming those. I mean but you get em graded no matter what and that just authenticates them and you're good to sell those things. But I like vintage. I mean there's less pressure. It's like buying a bond instead of a stock.

[Ryan Alford]

Hey, you sound like Ken golden who was on the show and will be. What, what date is that Release, Bella?

[Bella Schaefer]

The 24th.

[Ryan Alford]

24Th? Yeah, the 24th. That's Bella Schaefer, the lovely and Wonderful executive producer here on Collector Nation. Say hello again. Bella.

[Bella Schaefer]

Making me blush over there.

[Brian Ludden]

She runs a show over there. Runs a show. I try.

[Ryan Alford]

So yeah, Ken golden will be on and he had, he talked about that very thing. I had a rapid fire with him, Brian and pretty much same thing. He's like vintage. Vintage and vintage. Vintage baseball especially. But vintage anything is a safe bet. Long term, short term, everything.

[Brian Ludden]

He's. He's a nice guy. I like Ken.

[Ryan Alford]

So we do have. Okay. In top series one they are going to have some 1952 tops variations in there. Maybe 52 was their first year since that's what they're saying is going to be in there.

[Brian Ludden]

Yeah, that could work. That math works pretty well.

[Ryan Alford]

51, they're gonna have some 52 tops variations. All kings, all aces, cover athlete autos, celebrity autos. Brian Ludden might or might not be in there. We'll leave it up for mystery.

[Brian Ludden]

I gotta check my email. I'm sure it's there somewhere.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah, exactly. You missed the signing.

[Brian Ludden]

You were probably win my spam.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah. Too busy counting your Jordan rookie cards. 1991 tops autos, home field advantage. And actually this week this should be. Is this coming out this week? 218. Is that this week or next week? V Friends super stickers. We will have those here at Collector Station. We are an official distributor of V Friends and Gary Vee's team. Good people to work with. Love that and fun. I love the messaging with those, man. I think kids need something positive and I think Gary's doing that with his cards. Assigned Michael Jordan trading card told For 800,000. 800,000 big ones.

[Brian Ludden]

I mean they lose money on that. Like whoever bought that.

[Ryan Alford]

Depends on what the card was. All I see is trading card. I don't know what card it was. So if it's a rookie card, probably not. If it's something else then maybe Bella might get that detail for us before this is over. We'll leave that as a cliffhanger. The what do you think?

[Brian Ludden]

I think honestly if it's like any rookie card, star card, like whatever it is and the pop reports low. Like I don't think you ever lose money on those high end cards. I mean I've talked to people, I've probably talked to five companies in the last five months. So one a month that you know these funds are coming in the Mr. Wonderful. But like there's a lot of. There's a lot of funds that are like hey, let's get this high, high end stuff and hold it. And when when it becomes a herd mentality and there's too many of them, they tend to move the prices up too much and, and kind of stifle what their return would be. But I mean, I look at the Honus Wagner coming up like, yeah, I mean, that guy made how much money and how much time?

[Bella Schaefer]

So the card was a auto 2003, 2004. Upper deck. Exquisite collection logo, man. One of one.

[Ryan Alford]

Ah, okay.

[Brian Ludden]

They will.

[Ryan Alford]

They'll make money. They'll make money. That's 3 million dollar card in 10 years. Maybe not in that long. Is Michael Jordan. How do you get Jordan's signature these days? I mean, does he even do them?

[Brian Ludden]

No, I mean, he's. I think he's still with Upper Deck, but he doesn't sign anything anymore. I had my buddy Erlocker, plays golf with him twice a year. I was just thinking about like, hey, Brian, could you just ask him to sign a couple.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah, could ask him to sign these rookie cards I got, dude, I mean, come on, be a friend. Play that card.

[Brian Ludden]

You know how much I do for Erlocker.

[Ryan Alford]

I know. Anything else we missed, Bella?

[Bella Schaefer]

I mean, just that Pokemon over the last two years has outperformed gold and the S&P 500.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah, we didn't miss nothing.

[Bella Schaefer]

Yeah, but you know, that's not showing the, the state of the hobby. I don't know what is.

[Brian Ludden]

But don't buy those gold Pokemon cards. Those are fake.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah, I look. Good story. Good story to close. You know they say you don't get high on your own supply. Well, I, I tend to question that. That thought. I was ripping through some Pokemon last night late. Look, I was working on the app at like 1am Brian. I gotta have like some Sandy. So I'm, I'm working, ripping a pack, working, ripping a pack. Little Mega Evolutions. I got the gold Mega Lucario. That's the big hitter in that thing. Like eight packs in. It was like 700 three months ago, but it's like three something. Three. 350. 350.

[Brian Ludden]

Do you have a bad game?

[Ryan Alford]

It looks like a 10 to me here that we've. We got to put it under the microscope. But it could be a 10. If it goes a 10, you're talking about a 900 card.

[Brian Ludden]

Well, how does a Pokemon card. It's not like he went on the field and broke a leg or something. Like how does it get hurt? You know, it's like, I'm in here. He had a really rough.

[Ryan Alford]

He had a concussion. He got taken out, you know, Charizard, he gets a little rough and he messed up Lucario pretty good.

[Brian Ludden]

Yeah. That's interesting.

[Ryan Alford]

No, I. Because of speculation, I guess, you know, hype. Like everything else. A set. It was a mega, mega evolution set. And so comes out, all the cards are overpriced. I think it's now more of where it should be. It probably will be long term. Beautiful card, all gold. But it's not fake. I did not print it, and it was in the pack. Brian, that's awesome.

[Brian Ludden]

Good for you. See, hard work. Hard work pays off. Stamp late kids and work.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah. And look, and to be truthful, I wish someone would have just bought that box and ripped it in the store. I wasn't trying to take that opportunity away from someone. It's just if it sits there long enough and I got nothing else to do, I started ripping cards.

[Brian Ludden]

You're, like, staring at it.

[Ryan Alford]

You're like, I had this box. I've been carrying it around for a week and hadn't opened it. And then I was like, I'm going to rip some packs tonight while I'm working. And this is what happens, folks. Kids listening, you know, with speculation, opportunity, and risk combined with a little stupidity and beer, you too can rip a card of your dreams.

[Bella Schaefer]

Making the next generation of gamblers.

[Brian Ludden]

Well, I think.

[Ryan Alford]

Exactly.

[Brian Ludden]

Yeah, I think that's.

[Ryan Alford]

I think. I don't think we're having. I don't think we're doing that. I think that that's more like, you know, stadium club. And all those guys can live with themselves. They're the ones doing that. And your friend that got you ripping that tops or that LeBron.

[Brian Ludden]

Hey, shop.

[Ryan Alford]

Hey, Shop. Hey, Shop. Exactly.

[Brian Ludden]

I'm going to have.

[Ryan Alford]

When are you getting that card? You getting that card in.

[Brian Ludden]

I got it.

[Ryan Alford]

You already got it.

[Brian Ludden]

It's at home.

[Ryan Alford]

The LeBron.

[Brian Ludden]

Yeah, yeah, I got it like three days later. It was pretty awesome.

[Ryan Alford]

Oh, dude, you need to bring that on the show next week. I want to see.

[Brian Ludden]

I'll bring on the show next week.

[Ryan Alford]

And sell it to me. I'll give you 65%. 70. All right. Traded in for Jordan. I think that's all we got. Brian, any final words?

[Brian Ludden]

No, man, all good. Always a pleasure, my man. I appreciate you.

[Ryan Alford]

Hey, guys, we appreciate you. Little loose episode here. Collect your nation. This is what it looks like as two guys. Hey, we like the game as much as we like playing it, and we like bringing it to you. We appreciate you for listening. Hey, you know, to find us first, go to the. Go to that app. Store. L U D E X Download Lud X thank me later Collection management values ebay Loading. So that you actually make some money back for all the money that we spend on these things. See where you get digital collection management. You'll change your life. L U d e x ludx in the App Store. And of course, the CollectorNation.com for Brian Ludden. I'm Ryan Alford. We'll see you next time on Collector Nation.

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