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A
This whole progesteam thing, the snipe disaster went down, the shill bidding, a lot of the other stuff, it's just total bullshit.
B
This is a tough one. He's back on ebay. He's got to do some collateral damage, like therapy, because that's a brand thing. People doing so many different things. And that's why when people are like, oh, the hobby, this and that, there's no hobby. They're like, well, if card prices don't come down, this industry's ruined. No, it's not. You'll go to Goodwill and you get these cards and you scan them and you'll use technology to help you. So I got some cards over Thanksgiving for my boys and I don't know, maybe I spent like 500 dol and I come in, I'm like, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, take a seat. The magic trick. We're going to turn $500 into nothing.
A
Yeah. In minutes. Other than scratch cards. There's not faster ways to do it.
Welcome to the trading cards and collectibles podcast on the Radcast Network. From chasing grails to calling bluffs, going inside the hobby. Are you ready to collect? Let's get at it. Here is your host, Ryan Alford. Hello and welcome to Trading Cards and Collectibles here on the Rad Cast Network powered by LudX. We are always joined Ryan and Brian here. Brian's. Are you in the final days? In the. I mean, how many days you got left in that spot?
B
Well, we got another week and that's it, man. It's like things are getting torn down like TVs. It's crazy. I mean, you were. You went through it last couple weeks.
A
God, yes.
B
Not fun.
A
Not fun. I'm just still getting. Digging out all my stuff. I mean, I had to find this guy, you know, he's hiding. Somebody tried to take my. Yeah.
B
What the hell is that, dude?
A
That's my championship number one ranked show belt, you know.
B
Dang, dude. Is that real gold?
A
That's real steel.
B
Real heavy.
That's awesome, dude. Congratulations.
A
Number one. I tell you, somebody can come take it out of my cold, dead hand. That's the artist beat me in the rankings in the business. Cat in business and marketing, you know, one or the other. Both are very unlikely.
B
I'm gonna let. I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna let you have this one.
I got a couple other things. There you go.
A
To be the man, you gotta beat the man.
Oh, yeah. What's cooking, brother?
B
You know, Interesting. This Morning. An investor called and he wants a card for his son for Christmas, and he wanted a Patrick Mahomes.
Downtown. He had fifteen hundred dollars to spend and he wanted like PSA 9. So I. I misheard them and I bought a kaboom instead of a Downtown.
A
Okay, so now I'm usually worth. Kabooms are usually worth more than downtown.
B
There depends. I think they. You know, they fluctuate.
A
Yeah.
B
Anyways, now I'm not. I'm leg down a kaboom. And then he's. I got the downtown also for him. So the question for you is, what do you prefer? Like, what would you buy?
A
I like both, you know, because they're both the more artistic cards, but I'm more. You know what? I'm gonna let. Bella's gonna go grab something for me, something I printed today that's going to answer this for you. I'm gonna bring it on screen so this will tell you the answer. Because I'm doing stuff here.
In the office and I'm printing stuff. We got a really slick printer. This is 11 by 17. Kaboom. Josh Allen custom that doesn't exist. Like that. Exactly. I designed that. And I'm putting this on hardback and gonna have them like some custom of our own. So I like both, but I'm a kaboom guy.
B
We need a Ryan Kaboom.
A
Yes. Dropping the kaboom, baby.
B
I'll do the downtown.
A
We have London downtown and Ryan Kaboom. Yeah. All right. You know, like, we'll make our own, you know, trading cards that become rare in our own minds. Yeah, yeah. It's one of ones. So I like the kaboom. So what are you gonna do with that Mahomes Kaboom?
B
He said he might buy it for his own collection.
A
Wow. I might buy it if he did.
B
It was. I mean, it was. It's fine. I mean, I don't think he lose money on those things. No.
A
What year is it?
B
The kaboom was 24 and the downtown was 25.
A
Yeah, okay.
B
Dude, the 24 downtown, I think it was 24. They had like a wolf in the back. They had a Campbell soup can. I'm like, looks like a Disney Lorana card. Yeah, I didn't like it.
A
It's a little funky. They get a little. It's. It's weird. They're either really kind of cityscape. Nothing. Not that interesting. Or they're like, whoa.
B
I can't wait to. Yeah, I can't wait to get the. The wolf. I don't even Know what the, the wolf was doing on there? Like, I'm like, you're not like from Minnesota. It's Kansas City.
A
What would be, what would you. Okay, the Brian Ludden card. So we'd have Chicago backdrop, You know, what else would we have on there?
B
I put Chicago dogs on there. Chicago hot dog.
A
Okay. All right.
B
And then I'd put maybe Michigan Avenue, like a nice like winter escape.
A
Yeah.
B
And then maybe like something that sounds like you. Yeah, something stupid like a fish.
A
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Are you red wine guy?
B
What's that?
A
You're a red wine guy?
B
Yeah, I mean I, I don't discriminate. Really.
A
How about you equal opportunity? Oh yeah, dude, I got staring at like bottles. Bottles at me. You might be having something coming for your birthday. I just wanted to make sure while I had you here on live or not even live, but on our show. I'll make sure I had. Had you, doctor.
B
I. I gotta save it for when you come to Chicago. We could drink it together. Okay, so third, so Saturday night we had 30 people over for of friends giving and my birthday celebration and we went through two cases of wine and I probably had like four or five bottles.
A
That's. That's getting after it, man. Two cases.
That's true. You're gonna do it, do it, do it on your birthday. How'd you feel on Sunday?
B
Average.
A
Okay, average.
B
Just slightly below average. Dude, I was up till three in the morning cleaning.
A
But now. What time did you, could you, could you sleep? Did you get like six or seven hours of sleep?
B
Yeah, yeah, I. I slept to like 11.
A
Oh, nice. There you go.
B
All right now and then Sunday, we just, you know, watch some football and whatever. Your team's getting pretty hot recently. The Jags, dude.
A
Yeah. Jags are hot, man. They got the new coach. Trevor's playing good enough. You know, he still makes throws that make your draw your jaw drop, and then he makes throws that make your, you know, your phone drop because you threw it.
B
That's funny.
A
But, yeah, that coach has got him playing good. Diva's playing good. They're getting it together. Bills one be the out of Pittsburgh. And the Bears. The Bears, man. Unbelievable. Bears and the Patriots, hottest teams in football.
B
Yeah, I mean, that was like. That was one of those games that we lose 95% of the time, you know, but it's hard to. If you can't stop a run and you can run over teams, it's demoralizing. I mean, you played football. It's like, do you think those D backs and those linebackers want to tackle the nun guy again?
A
No, absolutely not. And it was. I mean, they're putting a clinic on. And that was how you do it against Philly, too.
B
I mean, yeah, it's a weird team. Like, it feels like they're missing just, like, energy.
A
But who's the team this year? I mean, that's what I'm saying. That's. The whole season's weird. It's like Kansas City's probably not going to make the playoffs. Then what? Who do you feel comfortable like? I mean, maybe ultimately Philly again. I don't know.
B
I think they lost the Mojo, the Patriot.
A
I mean, Drake May's real, but it's Drake. I mean, really, like, he's gonna. You. You trust Drake? Me in the playoffs yet? Like, I mean, I don't know. They look great, but really, who do you trust in the playoffs? I think it comes back to my boy, Josh Allen. I mean, yeah, defense can hold it together.
B
Yeah. He doesn't have a lot of weapons, though, man.
A
Yeah. I don't know if he needs them. Nah, he's got Cook. Cook's not. Cook's a weapon. He can. If Florida State receiver that we have, it is maturity together. Yeah. Coleman, he's talented. He's just not immature, I think.
B
Yeah, he's just immature. He's a funny guy.
A
Not at all.
Before we get into some of the scans and some of that stuff, I do want to address something because we, you know, I don't want to be the show that responds to one comment, but I'm going to be the show. That one's the one comment. The last show that we actually recorded or one of the last shows we recorded, like the day after this whole probe thing, the snipe disaster went down. So the only knowledge that we had at the time when that show was, was that the tech went to haywire. We didn't know, have the hindsight, the foresight of all of the other things that have come out since. So I think if you have, if you've been paying attention, Brian and I are not politically correct and we are not here to gloss over anything. So we, we knew what we knew and that's from our own experience and Brian certainly most recent experience, my older experience in tech and it in knowing that it's a lot harder than you think and you better have your servers together. About all we knew was they didn't have the backbone. But since then, as we recalled out in this comment, Brian, you know, the shill billing, shill bidding, a lot of the other stuff that's just total and should not be glossed over, but you got to have the knowledge to talk about it. So now that we have the knowledge, we can at least give our opinions.
B
Yeah, man, that was rough. That was rough. I mean, this industry in general forgives a lot like it. Everyone's gets so offended by it and it's all over the news and they're like, well, they still grade the PSA or whatever it is, right? But this is a tough one. He's back on ebay and he's got to do some collateral damage, you know, like, like therapy. Because that's a brand thing.
A
100% brand thing. But I just don't.
People are so ma, like crazy about these cards. It's almost like they don't care because they just the, the fever for the industry. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know. It's like he's just, you know, he might be a scumbag or dirt bag for doing that, but I want that card. I don't care who's selling it. And as long as I don't have to over overpay for it, who cares? Yeah, it almost seems that way.
B
There's not like you need the moral police in this. Like it's, it kind of polices itself. But like at some level you're right. I mean, if someone has a good deal on a card, they buy it, you know?
A
Yeah, exactly. But I, I, I. Let me just say I, I, you're, you've been in this longer on the news side than Me back in it. So you know the players more. Know more of the details. But. But everything I've read, it's just like, what a. I don't. Yes. All the time, energy and money to just.
Try to fake it all into, like. I. Like why? Like, it's. Even if you know that you're maybe Teflon, because the industry is going to buy what it's going to buy both just the. The time, energy and effort that they had to have put into what they did put out. It's like, what was. What. Hope is not a strategy. What. What did we think was going to happen there?
B
Yeah, that's a. That's a rough one. Because, like, I mean, I don't even. It's like in college, like, I'd spend more time trying to cheat on a test. And if I just would have studied.
A
Right.
B
They work. If they would have worked on their tech more instead of worrying about SHIELD Building, then yeah, it would have worked.
A
I know. I mean. And that you and I had this discussion again. I'm. I'm a novice here. Like, I'm not an angel, but I'm like the shill bidding thing. I'm like, if you outbid yourself and then you. You or your confidant or whoever wins the shit, then what did you do? You bought your own thing. Like, that's gotta happen.
B
It has to. Like. And I think Rick, like, Rick will figure this out. And I think it's. He's back and where he should be, but I mean, what happens? Let's just play role play.
A
Yeah.
B
You're buying a card, a kaboom. It's $800. You want to buy it? I'm 900 bid. You put a thousand. I put 1100. And you're like, I'm out.
A
Yeah.
B
And I'm like, I didn't want this kaboom like I talked about earlier. And now what I do with it, I put it back in my inventory. And there's no exchange of money.
A
None.
B
None.
A
It's. It's. Except for you paid ebay or whoever got some funny money, some fees out of it.
B
Yeah. You had to pay the fees.
A
Yeah.
B
Now the fees worth it.
A
And maybe. And look there. It's obviously happening and they're obviously making money. So obviously what we're describing happens less often than the money that they think they're making on the upside of it, I would hope.
B
Yeah.
A
But sometimes it does seem like people.
Spend more time, energy and effort cheating to not do any better.
You know, like. But maybe they do I don't know. They're probably. He's might be laughing his way to the bank, but who knows. But it's just, Just do better. You know, like, let's be better. Like, I think, you know, if you want to know what does this show stand for? Let's. Let's try to do better. Like, let's be better. Let's create valuable things and tech. Like what Brian's doing with ludx. You know, nothing's perfect. It's not perfect, but he's trying to make. He sees a flaw. He tries to make it better for the, for. Because he's playing the long game. He knows that if he doesn't create something that has value, then it doesn't last. And it's like, let's, let's do that.
B
It's hard enough to run businesses you've run a lot. Like, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's not nothing.
A
And you know, exactly. So we'll leave that behind on better news. Who's. I would think I could name them without even if I didn't know them. Who's popping on the Ludex app? We. I know we had the, the 19,000 scans. We don't know who's winning the record for the week.
Pete Myers in Florida.
B
Leave a guy in one day scan 19,000 cards into Ludox.
A
I can't, but just so everybody's listening. So insider tip, this is going to be education, knowledge, and maybe a little bit humor. Get yourself a RICO scanner. Get that Lux Enterprise app. When it's available, it is available. But when it's, you know.
B
Yeah, reach out.
A
Yeah, you got to reach out directly online. Hit that contact button. Brian's wonderful team will take care of you and. But get your scanner and those things are amazing, man.
Combined with the tech feeding those cards in, man, it's the only way to go.
B
Yeah, so I, I called the guy, I talked to the guy and I'm like introduced myself and I said, hey, what do you got going on here? He's like, well, I got, I got the scanner and I go to Goodwill and I buy pallets of cards and I just throw them in there. The 19,000 in a day. And the ones that are over X amount of dollars he takes out and the rest he throws in the garbage. And I mean, 20,000 cards a day, that's insane. Like, that's what that, what is that? Like 140, 000 a week. Which is like, what. But you know, is that just a.
A
Random Date or did he say he was gonna keep it up?
B
No, he's got like, he's got like 300,000 cards. Oh yeah. He's like, I get 300,000 cards a week. That's what I get.
A
Wow.
B
But yeah, I mean, super interesting guy. Like, it's, it just shows in this industry there's so many different way people doing so many different things. And, and that's why when people are like, oh, the hobby this and there's no hobby. It's like all these micro hobbies and collectors and like, they're like, well, you know, card prices don't come down. This industry is ruined. No, it's not. No, it's not. You'll go to Goodwill and you get these cards and you scan them and you'll use technology to help you.
So yeah, it's just an interesting use case.
A
Scans of the week. We got, we got some names. Who's up, who's down?
B
I'm gonna let you guess on the ups.
A
Yeah, I'm gonna say quarterbacks. It's football season. If Caleb Williams and Drake Bayard on this list, then I quit.
B
Ding, ding, ding.
A
Yes. And I own hundreds of them both.
B
Yeah, I mean they're up. Drake May's been number one for like three weeks, four weeks in a row now.
A
Hottest card in football.
B
Yeah. And it's up, it's up 15%. And finally Caleb's getting a little love. But honestly, Caleb didn't play great, but.
A
He'S winning when he's winning. And the other one's funny. Like the card, the card value reflects that too. It's interesting because they're both second year quarterbacks, they're both relatively equal records. But Drake Bay is 1500 on that PSA 10 silver prism and Caleb's 600. You know, so.
B
Well, I think it shows like that this market's very efficient. It's, it's a massive market. But people mostly get their information from the same source. So there's gotta, there's, there's, there's a continuity to where players start and where they, they, where they go and it, it kind of makes sense to me and like, let's go like down the next one's Bryce Young, which he has not been up here in a while, man.
A
No. And he plays for the Carolina Panthers. They beat the Chargers. They've been, he's been hot, but he still kind of plays up and down too. The team's winning. He has good, better coaching. But that's gonna be interesting to want to track.
B
Yeah. And Then I. I hate the fallers, but the fallers. You. I'm gonna give you a chance. They are three quarterbacks.
A
Yeah.
B
They're not doing so good.
A
I know Jaden's on there.
B
He's on there.
A
God, he's. He's got to be falling. I mean, he's not playing. And I still think he's going to be a star if he.
B
But he.
A
Exactly what I was worried happened with him happened. Is he going to be fragile and he snaps his arm or shoulder or wrist or elbow. Whatever it was, it was his arm related. Is he gonna be durable enough? He's talented. He's still the most talented of the rookies, but it's. Is he durable enough? That's the question.
B
Do you remember like RG3?
A
Yeah. Similar.
B
So this is the issue that I have. I'm gonna throw a Mitch Trubisky in here and I'll throw.
Josh Fields or Justin Fields in here. So these guys, first year, they go out, they use all their assets. I run, I do this. It's. They're pain in the asses and they have a good season. And then their team's like, hey, man, don't run so much because you're gonna get hurt. And makes them a pocket passer. And that takes away 50% of what they're good at.
A
And.
B
And I. I've seen it. And I would just be like, keep running. Just run, run, run. Because if that's how you can make your money anyways, you're not a pocket.
A
Well, the problem with that with Jaden is just he's not durable enough and he can actually, I think, throw it well enough to actually be a pocket passer.
B
He could.
A
Now, the other guys you named, I would absolutely put in there. And Lamar's turned into a weird case because I know he's probably one of our followers. If I had a bet.
B
You are right.
A
Yeah. You're Lamar Jackson.
It. He's actually turned into a lot. Much better pocket passer. And. But the team's weird. It's just a strange dynamic there. I. I'll just say this. Lamar's still, to me, one of the best top five quarterbacks.
B
Yeah, it's just like you said, there's so many variables at this league. This league is so competitive.
A
And the.
B
Teams are very equal. I mean, there's not like one team has like, significantly better athletes or faster players. Like, it's not like the SEC playing like, you know, whatever. They're pretty much the best athletes on the field all the time. And Then it comes down to, can you protect your quarterback? And if you look at these guys that are having tough seasons, I guarantee you, you know, there's injuries on the offensive line, there's no continuity, blah, blah, blah. So, you know, it's hard to always put the blame on the quarterback, but they always put the. The grace on the quarterback and bid him up, so they might as well take them down when they have to.
A
Who's our number three faller?
B
Geno Smith.
A
Oh, okay. There. I'll put the blame on Gino. Those two be court too many interceptions. Like, there's a lot of variables, but he's one of them.
B
So this. Sorry, this is a funny car because I had to check it with my team. On November 28th in an auction, it sold for $35.
On the 1st. Another auction sold for 4.
Rookie card. 2013 Platinum Geno Smith. I don't know if that's his rookie or not.
A
That probably. It's got to be. Geez, he's been around a long time. This is. And then number two. Come on, Gina. I mean, I'm beating on him a little bit, but his rookie's gotta be more than $4. Come on.
Wait. If you listen. Oh, he just threw another pick.
B
That's funny.
A
He's the interception machine.
B
I mean, if that card was on, you know, let's. Another site, it might have gone for higher. I could have showed. I could have SHIELD Billed that one bid.
A
That one.
Yeah. Yeah. I think if you. If. If you hold. If you're holding any, like, mass collections of Geno, you are shill bidding your heart out.
Trying to get those values up.
B
And that exists on ebay all the time. Like, there's. There's sales. Ghost sales that like. And it really hurts. Like a tech company trying to figure out data. That's why we're coming out with our own pricing algorithm. But like, in a couple weeks. But it's so hard, you know, because you and I can make a trade for $500 and we pay ebay, but we don't do anything else and.
A
Yeah, exactly. Or fund it. A couple quick news things. I know you got to go, but Tops Chrome Basketball coming out and sold out in minutes. They're doing some.
Dutch auctions on some of the other stuff and boxes that started at like 700, 800 retail. Dutch auctioning starting at 35. Hundo.
Geez. I. I no hate on tops here. This is more just like, wow. Like, I don't know. It's like these numbers are crazy.
B
That's yeah. That's insane. I mean, again, it goes back. Like, people are going to bitch about it and be like, oh, the industry's ruined. Fanax is ruining the industry. Well, not really. Those cards will get out to the ether and people buy singles, but, I mean, ripping is just. So I. So I got some cards over Thanksgiving for my boys, and I don't know, maybe I spent like 500, right? And I come in, I'm like, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, take a seat. The magic trick. We're gonna turn 500 into nothing.
A
Yeah.
B
In minutes.
A
Other than scratch cards. There's not faster ways to do it.
B
I mean, it's roulette. I. I lost in roulette.
A
Did you. Did you get anything?
B
No, we actually did. Oh, my son.
A
Okay.
B
Yeah, my son got a Bo Nicks.
A
I don't know. Some.
B
Some card. $300 raw.
A
Oh, hey, hey. You can't beat up on the cost and then get a $300 card in there. Come on, man.
B
No, I. I think you're right. I. I should. His cost basis was zero, so he did really well.
A
Hey, yeah, he did great, man. I'm not sure dad did any better, but it's. You get more joy of your son getting it, you know? And, hey, and you. You miss every shot you don't take.
B
Yep, that's it. As long I'm gonna put that.
A
I'm gonna put that up in my card chop here.
B
It's every shot you don't take. Yeah, I forgot who said that. It's a great quote, though.
A
Yeah. I don't remember. It wasn't me. But I am. I'm playing with this concept. We're gonna have a pack bar, flights of packs. What flight do you want?
B
You told me that the other day. That's freaking amazing.
A
I love that. Yes. It's gonna be cool. I've. I've expounded. You know, one night's rest and more ideas in the brain mean it's percolating and. But yeah, man. Any other final thoughts before I let you get to your meeting?
B
No, I just, like, when you. When's the shop? What's it looking like for you?
A
I plan to open. Soft opening this month. Two or three weeks, maybe right before the Christmas. Like, soft opening, like few days a week. Just getting some traffic flowing, you know, not a grand opening, but like a soft opening. Then do like a grand opening. Mid to end, mid January, late January.
B
Awesome.
A
Things kinked out. Get some, you know, overpaid inventory worked out.
B
You're. You're a Very efficient person. So, you know, I assumed it was going to be sooner than later.
A
Hey, man, I moved, man.
B
Not me.
A
You're. You're efficient. You're inefficiently efficient.
No, you're just moving big. You're doing bigger things, you know, like I'll just, I do like a thousand small things and you know, like you got like two behemoths, you know, Feels like that sometimes. I know, but cool, man. Good luck with everything. Let me know how Walmart goes.
B
I will.
A
Big names, big people, Big. Hey, I thought we were talking about, hey, big things happening here with lodex and trading cards and collectibles. Appreciate you, brother.
B
Always. Pleasure.
A
Hey, guys, you know, to find us trading cards and collectibles, look it up, search it up, YouTube and of course, go to the app store. L U D E X spells the best scanning app on the marketplace. It is the best. I'm telling you, I am a all time user, firsthand smoker of the Ludx app.
Only thing you're gonna get second hand dollars made. Because again, tracking your collection and keeping up with an instant dropping them on ebay. I mean, it's, it's slick. Guys, just trust me. Take my word for it, you'll love it. We love you. We'll see you next time. Trading cards. Thanks for tuning in to the show. Don't forget to follow us on your favorite podcast platform and don't miss the first full video version on YouTube. You can find us at www. Collectibles show or follow Ryan on Instagram at ryanolford. Now get out there and collect your.
Trading Cards & Collectibles Podcast – The Radcast Network
Date: December 5, 2025
Host: Ryan Alford (A)
Co-host: Brian Ludden (B)
This episode dives deep into the recent Probstein shill bidding controversy within the trading card community. Hosts Ryan and Brian discuss reactions, implications for the hobby, and what collectors should know moving forward. The episode also covers market trends, innovative approaches to collecting (like advanced scanning), and their usual candid banter about the realities of buying and selling cards.
The show kicks off with lighthearted banter about how easy it is to lose money in the hobby.
Discussion on artistic value versus monetary value in card sets (Kaboom vs. Downtown cards).
Ryan shows off a custom-designed Josh Allen Kaboom-style print, reflecting the blend of art and collecting.
"Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, take a seat. The magic trick. We're going to turn $500 into nothing." — Ryan (00:38)
Casual discussion about football, collecting during the holidays, and which teams and players are hot.
The hosts muse on the unpredictable NFL season and the market’s reaction to player performances.
"Trevor's playing good enough. You know, he still makes throws that make your jaw drop, and then he makes throws that make your, you know, your phone drop because you threw it." — Ryan (08:11)
The episode’s core segment provides a clear post-mortem on the Probstein scandal:
“We didn’t know, have the hindsight, the foresight of all of the other things that have come out since. … But since then... the shill bidding, a lot of the other stuff, that's just total and should not be glossed over...” — Ryan (10:24)
Brian notes the hobby’s tendency to “forgive a lot,” referencing how even scandals get swept aside if valued cards are on offer.
The conversation touches on how collector focus can supersede moral judgment.
"It's almost like they don't care because they just—the fever for the industry. ...He might be a scumbag or dirtbag for doing that, but I want that card. I don't care who's selling it." — Ryan (12:07)
The hosts acknowledge a certain inevitability:
Ryan expresses disbelief at the effort spent on cheating rather than improving business.
Brian equates cheating in the hobby with old-school college cheating—putting more effort into gaming the system than simply playing by the rules.
"If they would have worked on their tech more instead of worrying about shill bidding, then yeah, it would have worked." — Brian (13:41)
The hosts role-play how shill bidding can backfire, sometimes resulting in sellers stuck with cards they didn't actually want.
They ponder whether the gains truly outweigh the risks or effort, ultimately stressing the need for ethical improvement in the industry.
"Let's be better. Let's create valuable things and tech. ...If you want to know what does this show stand for? Let's try to do better." — Ryan (15:14)
Brief mention of a Ludex user who scanned 19,000 cards in a single day using enterprise hardware.
The practice reflects both new technology and the evolving marketplace.
"Get yourself a RICO scanner. ...I go to Goodwill and I buy pallets of cards, and I just throw them in there... and the ones that are over X amount of dollars he takes out and the rest he throws in the garbage." — Brian (17:07)
Analysis of quarterbacks whose card prices are falling (Jaden, Trubisky, Fields, Geno Smith).
Debate over injuries, player style (scrambling vs. pocket passing), and long-term value.
"Do you remember like RG3? ...First year, they go out, they use all their assets. ...Their team's like, 'hey man, don't run so much because you're gonna get hurt.' And makes them a pocket passer. And that takes away 50% of what they're good at." — Brian (21:02)
Geno Smith's rookie card volatility is used to illustrate how erratic hobby prices can be—sometimes driven by 'ghost' sales or even shill-bidding.
Discussion of Topps Chrome Basketball selling out instantly, with Dutch auctions and surging prices as evidence of the hobby’s wild swings.
"They're doing some Dutch auctions... boxes that started at like 700, 800 retail. Dutch auctioning starting at 35 hundo. ...Like, I don't know. ...These numbers are crazy." — Ryan (25:11)
Anecdote on busting packs with kids: The joy and pain of chasing value, with jokes comparing card ripping to gambling.
"Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, take a seat. The magic trick. We're gonna turn 500 into nothing." — Ryan (25:54)
Closing out with talk of Ryan’s upcoming card shop, a “pack bar” concept, and plans for soft and grand openings.
On hobby forgiveness:
"This industry in general forgives a lot... everyone gets so offended by it... but this is a tough one." — Brian (11:33)
On shill bidding’s futility:
"If you outbid yourself... you or your confidant or whoever wins the ... then what did you do? You bought your own thing. Like, that's gotta happen." — Ryan (13:47)
On the future of collecting:
"You'll go to Goodwill and you get these cards and you scan them and you'll use technology to help you." — Brian (18:22)
On the card market's efficiency:
"This market's very efficient... people mostly get their information from the same source. So there's a continuity." — Brian (19:32)
Casual, candid, hobbyist-to-hobbyist. The hosts blend humor with honest analysis, pulling no punches regarding scandal and enthusiast behavior.
This episode supplies a clear-eyed overview of the Probstein shill bidding saga—offering not just the facts, but a true insider’s take on collector psychology, systemic weaknesses, and the enduring allure of cards despite scandal. The hosts encourage the hobby to strive for ethical improvements, while also acknowledging the community’s idiosyncrasies and resilience. If you want a grounded, honest, and occasionally funny perspective on where the collectible industry stands in late 2025, this episode delivers.