Three Autos From One Break, $45k PSA Controversy & Bam Adebayo’s incredible 83 point game

Summary

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Collector Nation Podcast – March 13, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode of Collector Nation, hosted by Ryan Alford with frequent co-host Brian Lutt and guest Leonard Berry (Athlete YouTube Channel Manager for Onnit), dives deep into the current state of the trading card and collectibles hobby as March Madness approaches. The hosts discuss hot headlines—the wild odds of pulling three Quinn Ewers autographs from a single break, a highly controversial $45k PSA grading incident, and the hobby implications of Bam Adebayo’s astounding 83-point basketball game. The episode is packed with live product reviews, hobby strategy, market insights, and plenty of banter in the podcast’s approachable, collector-centric tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. March Madness, College Cards & Onnit Product Review

Guest: Leonard Berry (Onnit)
[03:23–09:37]

• NCAA March Madness Hype

  • Ryan and Leonard kick off with excitement about March Madness and college sports.
  • Leonard describes the synergy at Onnit: their cards cover everything from baseball and football to wrestling and gymnastics championships.
  • Onnit’s new basketball products are highlighted, especially their fresh inserts and autographs:
    • “We got Brand new inserts, general admission hype. There's a lot of great signatures in there, and I just love the opportunity to connect with some of these guys.” – Leonard Berry [05:13]

• Gonzaga Value Box Break – Live Rack Rip

  • Ryan cracks open a Gonzaga value box live on air:
    • Praises overall pack quality, premium feel, and diversity of parallels (blackout, orange shimmer, fusion, hype, teal).
    • Leonard explains key Onnit exclusives:
      • “If you're trying to do the rainbow, you want that orange shimmer. You're going to get it from either opening your own value box or somebody else opened one and you buy it off of them.” [07:10]
    • Ryan raves about the tactile design:
      • “I would call that a velvet suede... But that's how it feels to me. The texture is very suede-like.” [06:54]

• Fan/Athlete Card Connection

  • Leonard on why college cards resonate:
    • “It really is more about, like, the personal connection that you can make with players. As you know, being so close to a major university, you can get to know those guys a lot better than… NFL or NBA.” [09:10]

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2. Bam Adebayo’s 83-Point Game & Real-Time Selling Strategies

Hosts: Ryan Alford & Brian Lutt
[11:11–14:53]

• Bam’s Historic Performance

  • Bam Adebayo scores 83 points—a feat second only to Wilt Chamberlain.
  • Brian humorously notes Bam hit 43 of 49 free throws, doubling his career high.
    • “He beat his career high score on the free throw line.” – Brian [11:43]
    • “I don't care if he was playing a bunch of tomato cans. 83 points. It doesn't happen often.” – Ryan [12:03]

• Market Impact & Collection Management

  • The duo highlights how quick inventory and sales tools (like Ludex) allow collectors to instantly capitalize on headline-making nights.
    • “If you were able to get your card out and first to market and get it onto ebay quickly, you made some money.” – Brian [13:04]
    • Ryan reports a huge spike: from 3 to 47 Bam Adebayo Silver Prizm transactions in a month.
  • Advice: Get organized and use apps to ride hobby “lightning in a bottle” opportunities.
    • “You catch that wave of probably like 24 or 48 hours maybe where he… Because...he's not a prolific scorer typically...so moving quick.” – Ryan [14:34]

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3. Ludex App and the Data Side of Collecting

Hosts: Ryan Alford & Brian Lutt
[14:53–18:49]

• Impressive Scale

  • Ludex logs ~1 million scans per weekend; 12 million cards scanned each winter month (~160 million annually).
  • Anecdote about a user with 12,000 Tom Brady cards worth nearly $800k.
  • “There's a lot of addicts out there in the hobby.” – Ryan [17:30]

• Inventory Power

  • The hosts joke about superusers and data limits, highlighting the digital scaling of collections and the power of streamlined inventory management.

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4. $45K PSA Card Grading Controversy

Hosts: Ryan Alford & Brian Lutt; News Segment Voiceover
[19:17–22:54]

• Incident Recap

  • A 2004 Japanese Space Fishers “Doxy Movie Commemoration” lenticular card was graded as a PSA 10 ($45k value).
  • During encapsulation, PSA damaged the card; regraded it as PSA 6; offered just $20k in compensation.
  • Collector refused PSA’s confidentiality agreement.
    • “All adds up to a little fishy.” – Ryan [20:38]
    • “When it gets out there, your job as a CEO is to investigate it and come up with a conclusive… But they tend to never come out. They just kind of let it go.” – Brian [21:12]

• PSA’s Reputation Risks

  • Discussion about negative perception, need for transparency, and possible internal issues.
  • Jokes about needing some PR:
    • “They need some PR here, Dan… like feed the hungry award or something.” – Ryan [22:25]

• PSA’s Ubiquity

  • Noted 700% surge in One Piece cards submitted for grading, reinforcing PSA’s dominance as grading moves into everyday hobby lingo.
    • “Grading is just…so much more in the vernacular now. I’d probably say 75% of every customer that walks in the store brings up grading.” – Ryan [23:37]

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5. Three Quinn Ewers Autos Pulled from One Break – “What Are the Odds?”

Hosts: Ryan Alford & Brian Lutt
[26:04–37:31]

• The Setup:

  • Ryan recounts a recent Prism Choice football case break, where he randomly landed Stevenson (Patriots) and Quinn Ewers (Rookie QB, Texas/possibly NFL-bound) as his players.
  • “Not an exciting pickup, let's be honest…I'll just say I fell asleep before I could watch the break.” – Ryan [28:18]

• The Shocking Outcome:

  • In the mail: Three QUINN EWERS AUTOGRAPH CARDS from the same set, each numbered out of 100—but with different serials (100, 16, 60).
  • “You only believe this if you see it. Three individual cards. Of a hundred in the series—3%!” – Ryan [31:10]
  • Brian jokes about "cornering the market":
    • “You're not too far from cornering the market on those. Then you can move the price up.” [31:10]
  • The hosts marvel at the improbable odds; agree it’s likely a collation/manufacturing error, but extremely rare:
    • “I bet you there's one person going, maybe out of our millions and millions of people listening, but there's probably nobody that's seen two, much less three.” – Ryan [33:13]
    • “The odds of that is a mistake. So I don't even know.” – Brian [33:08]
    • “My fascination is more the odds...The percentage chance of that is so low.” – Ryan [36:39]

• Community Callout:

  • Ryan invites listeners:
    • “If you're listening and you've really seen three autos of the same player out of the same set in one case, let us know.” [35:58]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Bam Adebayo’s Historic Night:
  • “83 points. It doesn't happen often. In fact, it’s only happened one time ever more, which is Wilt Chamberlain.” – Ryan [12:03]
• On Collation Luck:
  • “If you’re you, you only believe this if you see it. And I’m holding them up… three individual cards. We have 100 of 100, 16 out of 100, and 60 out of a hundred.” – Ryan [31:10]
  • “The odds of that is a mistake. So I don't even know.” – Brian [33:08]
• On PSA’s Response to Mistakes:
  • “They tend to never come out. They just kind of let it go. You don’t know what to believe.” – Brian [21:12]
• On the Hobby’s Scale and Addictiveness:
  • “God, there's a lot of addicts out there in the hobby.” – Ryan [17:30]
• Collector Camaraderie:
  • “That's our background, and we think that that's important. That shines through in our packs and in everything we do.” – Leonard [09:10]

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Key Timestamps

• [03:23] – March Madness & Onnit card insights with Leonard Berry
• [05:31] – Gonzaga’s evolving role and product highlights
• [06:03–09:10] – Live pack break and discussion of card parallels
• [11:11] – Reaction to Bam Adebayo’s 83-point game and instant market impact
• [14:53] – Power and data volume of card inventory apps (Ludex)
• [19:17] – The $45k PSA controversy explained and unpacked
• [26:04] – Ryan’s Prism Choice “three-auto” break story
• [31:10] – Probability and rarity of break outcome
• [33:08–37:31] – Community commentary and closing thoughts

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Summary

This jam-packed episode of Collector Nation is a must-listen for hobbyists looking to stay on top of market news, laugh at improbable hobby twists, and learn about the power of staying organized and nimble in an ever-evolving collectibles landscape. From the nuts and bolts of college basketball inserts to big-league scandals, from strategic sales tips to statistical oddities—Ryan, Brian, and Leonard deliver insight, humor, and genuine passion for the hobby.

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Transcript

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[Ryan Alford]

Hey, guys. On today's episode of Collector Nation, first, Leonard Berry and I break down March Madness. Leonard is the Athlete YouTube channel manager for Onnit. We talked all about what Onnit's doing with trading cards specifically. Hey, we opened a pack of Gonzaga. Got some hits, though. You'll see that and more on the episode. We talked about all the things they're doing with player rights. And you wouldn't believe how many sports we talked about that they're doing. And of course, March Madness. Coming up on Sunday, Brian and I dug into the latest headlines. Bam. Adebagio hitting 83 points. Second all time. Unbelievable. What impact did they had, those cards? We talk about that. Also talked about a break that I was in. A little surprise. Three big cards. That and more on Pleasure Nation. Here's where it gets interesting. Then I go to the next card, the final card. Three out of the same series, same set. Quinn, yours. Autographs. Three out of 100. What are the odds?

[Brian Lutt]

The odds of that is a mistake. So I don't even know, but there's

[Ryan Alford]

probably nobody that's seen two, much less three. Bam. Adebago scored 83 points. Kind of writes its own headlight.

[Brian Lutt]

Bam.

[Narrator/Advertiser]

Card that was originally graded a PSA 10, got damaged by PSA, and then PSA offered the collector only 20,000 doll. Thousand dollars in compensation for this error.

[Ryan Alford]

A little fishy.

[Brian Lutt]

Your job as a CEO is to investigate it, but they tend to never come out. They just kind of let it go. You don't know what to believe.

[Ryan Alford]

Welcome to the Collector Nation podcast. Here on the Collector Nation Network, whether you're chasing grails or calling bluffs, we take you inside the hobby. Here are your hosts, Ryan Alford and Brian Lutt.

[Brian Lutt]

Foreign.

[Ryan Alford]

This Sunday, we have Selection Sunday. For me, it's always. I always get excited. I'm like, I'm gonna fill out my bracket. I'm gonna do so good. And I don't know about you, Leonard, it very rarely goes, girl. That's. But look, I got a good luck charm. It's on it. It's Leonard Barry. He is the head of the Athlete YouTube channel at. On it. What's up, brother?

[Leonard Berry]

Hey, good to see you again, Ryan. I appreciate you having me here. I agree. I. I get so excited to fill out that bracket, and I want the first one to be perfect. Right. And then I, like, do it and I look it over and I'm like,

[Ryan Alford]

but what if these guys win? And I'm a Clemson fan. It's going to. We're going to make the tournament for the third year in a row, which is a big news for us. So I'm excited about it from the home team. Talk to me about maybe some of the fun stuff y' all are doing with basketball or the product in general. At. On it.

[Leonard Berry]

Yeah. I mean, this, as you know, is probably one of the best times to be, like, a college sport fan because you have baseball and softball, really getting into the swing of things. Basketball, Everybody looks forward to March Madness. College football is crazy. Sounds ramping up again with spring games. Like, you have the opportunity to see your teams out there and can't forget too. Like, wrestling and gymnastics are going into their winter sport championships alongside March Madness. So a lot of fun stuff there. Like you said, we kind of COVID it all. So we're focusing on Penn State and Ohio State wrestling as they go for national championships. You know, gymnastics, ucla gymnastics is always one of the top. And. But everybody knows March Madness is what matters. Selection center is coming up a few days from now. And the basketball product this year, as you've seen and as you know, it's just so much fun. We got Brand new inserts, general admission hype. There's a lot of great signatures in there, and I just love the opportunity to kind of connect with some of these guys who I see on the court and who I'm going to be hoping will lead me to a perfect bracket. Be able to know that they, they signed one of my cards that I'm pulling here.

[Ryan Alford]

So if you didn't know, you need to know you have the best teams and the best players on it has it all again. And we're going to open some right here. Gonzaga, they used to be the Cinderella team, Leonard. I'm, I'm just not buying that anymore. Dan Hurley has it going on. There ain't no Cinderella team no more.

[Leonard Berry]

No, they're definitely not. I mean, it's kind of crazy to think about, like the run that Gonzaga has been on, you know, these past 20 years. They just won the WCC championship again this week. They're going to be in Pac 12 next year. I think that's going to be probably the weirdest change. Like now you're going to have Gonzaga in a. What's supposed to be a premium conference. So it's cool to see the Zags get the recognition they deserve. And I wouldn't be shocked to see them in the final four again this year, especially behind guys like Braden Hufford, Graham Ike, who, you know, appear in the product. Like you said, some of the best players that we'll see on the court here very soon.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah, well, we're going to see them even sooner as I go for a one on one here. And look, here it is. Here's how it's going to go. Uh, you send me some comments, we might send, we'll send you some cards. We'll, we'll, we'll raffle off something. We'll do something fun with, with the best picks. I'm opening the Gonzaga cards. We're looking for that. Braden Huff, Braden Smith, Jaylen Worley high on Grant Foster, you know, to name a few. This is the value pack. You get 40 cards, 10 cards in each pack. Four packs. Hey, this is looking premium, my friend. I mean, it just feels premium. All right, here we go. Right on the top. Braden Smith is one of the better players. Steven Venters, there's another one of the better players. Ty on Grant Foster coming in. Noah up. I see what looks like.

[Leonard Berry]

There we go.

[Ryan Alford]

Is that. Oh, they're blackout.

[Leonard Berry]

Yeah, very nice. Nice little blackout right there.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah, I would call that a velvet suede. Yeah, I'm a marketer. I'm A marketer, Leonard. But that's how it feels to me. The texture is very suede. Like, we got another refractor of some sort here. Some kind of shimmer. No.

[Leonard Berry]

Oh, yeah. So that's the orange. Orange shimmer there. That's. So that's the value box. Exclusive. You can't find that orange parallel in a single pack or a platinum box. You're only going to get those in your value boxes there. So if you're trying to do the rainbow, you want that orange shimmer. You're going to get it from either opening your own value box or somebody else opened one and you buy it off of them. And then campus colors. Yeah, Another nice little base insert there.

[Ryan Alford]

And then this guy.

[Leonard Berry]

Yeah. Gram ek on the fusion. So that's another pretty common insert. There's. We have two colors of fusions, and then there's also a 101 version. So there'll be one that's like a team color, blue. And then there's also that white one. And then there's a premium as well, which is a 101. So.

[Ryan Alford]

Wow. That was only one pack. I'm like, hey, there's three more here. All right, let's see what we got. I'm going to pick up the pace. Yeah. Oh, there's some.

[Leonard Berry]

Oh, that's nice. Yeah, that's hype. So that's one of the brand new inserts this year.

[Ryan Alford]

That looks gorgeous. Let's see here. Oop, got a aqua.

[Leonard Berry]

Now that's a teal insert. So people. People in our TikTok comments will get on me about pulling too many teals. They don't like to see the teals. It's too common of a parallel.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah. And there's little Brady Smith fusion, too. I'm liking the color. Lots of color variation here on the table. Shining at me. Jaylen Morley. Oh, another blackout.

[Leonard Berry]

Nice.

[Ryan Alford]

Does feel nice to the hand, I gotta admit it. Oh, another orange shimmer.

[Leonard Berry]

We got one pack left, right?

[Ryan Alford]

Last pack. Magic. So, auto, or is there another hit? Like that would be obviously any autograph. Oh, look at there. Okay, that's fresh. That looks cool. There you have it. And I'll take this for a value box. That felt like a lot of value. The number of variations, the blackout, the suede premium. I'm digging it, man. But opening these cards makes me, like, want to collect Gonzaga cards because the cards are cool. Like, I'm like, I kind of want to get the. Whatever I didn't get, you know, Like, I'm kind of. I'm now curious for the best Gonzaga player cards. So I guess that's the best compliment I can give.

[Leonard Berry]

Well, we appreciate it. And I mean, that's what we're all about, you know, connecting fans to athletes, you know, through these collectibles, through these cards. Like, that's what we're really all about. It really is more about, like, the personal connection that you can make with players. As you know, being so close to a major university, you can get to know those guys a lot better than you could ever get to know an NFL team or an NBA player. So that's kind of where we come from. That's our background, and we think that that's important. That shines through in our packs and in everything we do.

[Ryan Alford]

We really appreciate it, Leonard. And hey, guys, as it's March Madness here, hopefully your bracket's still intact, depending on when you're listening. If you catch this before the tournament starts on Monday, good luck. And look, go check out on it. You can see them at one of your local retailers. Going to have them at Collector Station. We're going to be talking about it here on Collector Nation. Fantastic product, doing great things and only getting better. We really appreciate on it. We really appreciate you. What's up, guys? Welcome to Collector Nation. Brian and Ryan here on a Friday, the 13th, 2026 of March. The most weird way I've ever said the date, Brian, but I got it out. What's up?

[Brian Lutt]

Spooky stuff. That was your spooky voice.

[Ryan Alford]

That was my spooky voice. How's Chicago, my friend?

[Brian Lutt]

It was 70 degrees on Monday and now it's snowing today. So that is Chicago weather.

[Ryan Alford]

And especially in March, right?

[Brian Lutt]

Yeah, yeah, March for sure. Especially in the city. The city itself is with the. The lake. It really doesn't get that warm. So if you get a east breeze off the lake, the city could be 55. In the suburbs, 15 miles away, could be 75. So until the lake warms up in June, then it kind of stabilizes, so it's like a air conditioning.

[Ryan Alford]

But we're in the dead. We went dead summer, you know, we didn't get any. We didn't get spring. I, I think we're going to get. I think it's coming back in this weekend, the 60s. But we went straight. It's like 82. It feels like the real. Feels like 98 here.

[Leonard Berry]

Wow.

[Ryan Alford]

Not really, but it's hot in South Kakalaki, as we call it. And speaking of being hot, bam. Adebago scored 83 points. We record this a little Bit ahead of the Friday. So it was last night for us, you know, so bam, I mean, kind of writes its own headlight.

[Brian Lutt]

Bam. He said he had 49 free throws.

[Ryan Alford]

Something like 40. He was 43 of 49, I believe he had. Oh, he made over 40 free throws.

[Brian Lutt]

And his old high score, I think was 41. So he. He beat his career high score on the free throw line.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah, I mean, let's be honest. He was playing the Washington. What's the. What's the. The team that travels with the Globetrotters and loses every game.

[Brian Lutt]

Washington Generals.

[Ryan Alford]

He. They were playing. He was playing the Washington Generals. I mean, you know, let's be honest, but I don't care if he was playing a bunch of tomato cans. 83 points. It doesn't happen often. In fact, it's only happened one time ever more, which is Wilt Chamberlain. What's happened in LUDX world this week, Brian?

[Brian Lutt]

You know, what's kind of interesting is that that BAM is a perfect example of what we talked about. You and I talked about last week, about how important collection management and inventory management and being able to search and sort and filter through your collection.

[Ryan Alford]

I mean, how many bams do I have?

[Brian Lutt]

Yeah, I mean, you're like, I know I have BAMs, but I have no idea where they are. You just type it in, there's the cards, tells you what location, where they're at. Box four, row one. And you go grab them and you throw them on ebay. And last month, I think there was three BAM. I think it might have been 2018 Silver Prism. And this month there was like 47 transactions. So if you were able to get, you know, get your card out and first to market and get it onto ebay quickly, you know, you made some money on those things.

[Ryan Alford]

This is what the. Hey, we. We preach this. And some of you have taken note and done the smart thing. Download the app, you know, pay for some of your, you know, Ultimate Buy. You know, spending a little too much on packs. You can offset that with some quick sales of stuff you don't want. We've tried to lead you to water, but this is the perfect example because I did this. I did this exact thing, Brian. And we're close to having all of our stuff organized to get on ludx. But being a store, it's on the list and it's happening this week, actually. But I did the exact thing. I went, how many bams do we have? Because I knew we had some number ones, but I had no idea. It's A perfect example. You're so right. Anybody that was smart last night went into their Ludox app, went, all right, search for Bam, bring it up, hit three, four or five buttons on eBay, boom. And you catch that wave of probably like 24 or 48 hours maybe where he. Because let's be honest, I love Bam. I've always respected Bam because he does the hard stuff, rebounds, defense. He's a great, He's a. I would want him on my team, but he's not a prolific scorer typically, so this probably isn't going to. I don't think he's magically going to become a 40 point a night guy. It's lightning in a bottle, so moving quick. And that's what the latex app and collection management empowers you to do.

[Brian Lutt]

Yeah, I mean he's a 20 point a game guy, so yeah, this would be a blip that I would sell.

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[Ryan Alford]

Yeah, quick. So how many scans on the average day does Ludx do?

[Brian Lutt]

Well, on a weekend we'll do about a million. Yeah, a million a weekend and that's 4 million. And we'll do about, about 350,000 a day. So we'll be between like when it's cold out winter. In the wintertime we'll do 12 million cards and then in the summer it's probably more like 9 to 10 million.

[Ryan Alford]

Geez Louise. The amount of data being slung around there. The so again, everyone listening. If you don't do this, you should be. This is taking the Linux app. You hit the button that says scan card and you scanning any of one of your trading cards. Pokemon football, basketball, football Whatever it might be. And it puts it into scans and identifies at a high rate. I know this. I've watched it. I've watched it grow like a little baby. How accurate it is now, it identifying that card and the variant and all the fun stuff. That's not easy, but looks easy because it goes so fast. And they're doing nearly 350,000 of those scans a day on trading cards. Unbelievable. I like to bring that back up, Brian, because I think we talk about it every few months, but you never know when someone knew's listening. And I think wrapping your head around just how many people that is and how many cards that is.

[Brian Lutt]

Yeah, we did 160 million cards last year.

[Ryan Alford]

God, there's a lot of addicts out there in the hobby.

[Brian Lutt]

There's a lot.

[Ryan Alford]

And I'm one of them.

[Brian Lutt]

Hard addicts.

[Ryan Alford]

Yes.

[Brian Lutt]

A lot of cards.

[Ryan Alford]

I'll never forget the 28,000 Tom Brady's. That guy. That is it 28,000.

[Leonard Berry]

He can't.

[Brian Lutt]

He came. I forget how many. He had. 12,000 somewhere.

[Ryan Alford]

12,000. Sorry. 12,000.

[Brian Lutt]

Tom Brady came up to the booth at the National. He's like, guess how many Tom Brady cards I have in Ludox. And he showed me. I was like, whoa, dude, you're like.

[Ryan Alford]

You're the one crashing our servers. Slow down, dude. Yeah, exactly.

[Brian Lutt]

Diversify.

[Ryan Alford]

He's the data killer. Like, you know, they put the limits. Like, I'm sure y' all do too, like doing the crunching the numbers. The average, like, based on your fees and stuff, like, data, hey, you know, unlimited data. The average user is two gigabytes. And there's always Ralph, who's using 3,464 gigabytes a day, throws them. He's him. That's him. 12,000 Tom Brady's and 9,000 of them base cards.

[Brian Lutt]

Well, the collection was worth, like, almost $800,000.

[Ryan Alford]

Well, so probably like one. One, like refractor rookie was like 759,000. And then the rest are. That he bought, like, out of a pack. I don't know. Who knows? You never know. I'm sure they were spread out more than that. Tom has a lot of cards. Let's be honest. He grew up in the. The Mecca of. Of, you know, when things got big, when he started, it might have been just kind of rounding up. But then that guy's not telling how many total cards he has.

[Brian Lutt]

And he played a long time.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah, dude could still be playing. Looks like. So Bella's gonna tee up this next story, mainly because there's a lot of big words and, you know, fishy behavior going on.

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[Ryan Alford]

That sounds like mystery here.

[Brian Lutt]

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[Ryan Alford]

First of all, three words I love. Commemoration, lenticular encapsulation. Three of my favorites, especially in. In. What's spelling Be.

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Yeah, I don't even know. I don't even know what in.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah. Anyway, all adds up to a little fishy. I mean, I just would think they got enough going on to. To. To want to take this on, you know, like, yeah, you've bought two of your competitors and got away with it where no one else would have. You're kind of rocking the boat, increasing prices, and it makes sense with supply and demand, and I've already explained my opinion on that. But you kind of got a little bit of this negative air blowing about you. Why even bring this on?

[Brian Lutt]

Well, I guess we have to ask ourselves, like, where is that? Like, what's. Who's doing. Who has the power to do that, first of all? So if it's a guy running, you know, his. The little division of the buyback stuff, and the guy makes, you know, 80 grand a year, I can see him being motivated to do stuff like this.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah.

[Brian Lutt]

Coming from the top, from a multibillion dollar company. They're not flipping cards for 10 grand. I mean, in 20, it's just. So it could be like more of an inside job that, you know, that Nat and the team don't know about. But when it gets out there, your job as a CEO is to investigate it and come up with a conclusive. This is what happened. This is how we're. This. This how it happened, or this is false. But he should come out with something. But they tend to never come out. They just kind of let it go. You don't know what to believe.

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[Ryan Alford]

I'm sure they did. It didn't work.

[Brian Lutt]

They really are.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah, I. I just. We need some. They need to donate to Charity or something like the, the psa, you know, feeding the. The hungry award or something. You know, like, they need some. They need some PR here, Dan.

[Brian Lutt]

Control. They need like, like some like youth. Youth groups and give them some tens and let them have some fun.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah, I did some influencer marketing, like to see the market. Oh, no, they're not that bad. They're actually really good people. They actually upgraded my 8 to a 10, you know, for no reason. And I got it. It gave me more money. Like, we need some of this news to go the other way, right?

[Brian Lutt]

Yeah, you got to do it the other way.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, in other news, one piece cards alone saw PSA grading increases about 700% six months with some promos already selling for five figure prices. So, I mean, there's no denying the power of them in the secondary market.

[Brian Lutt]

I don't even know. I mean, I don't know anything about those things. Do you?

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah, it's, It's. We get asked for it. We have a few options in the store, the collector station here in Easley, South Carolina. But if we're getting rude, we get requests. There's a lot of requests for that. And magic cards. Magic quite a bit. And it's not surprising that that entails then grading increases. Because again, grading is just. It's so much more in the vernacular now. Like, I'll say this, Brian. Every other customer that comes in brings up grading. What are you gonna get this graded or do y' all grade? Y' all degrade? Do y' all send cards off? I mean, like, I don't. I'd probably actually say 75% of every customer that walks in the store brings up grading on some level.

[Brian Lutt]

I mean, it's part of it's. I mean, it, It's. It's probably the most. One of the most important things in this industry.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah, you know, it's just fun. It was nothing. I mean, it was not even part of the industry in 1990 when I first, you know, finishing collecting.

[Brian Lutt]

And also like the magic community, they don't love their cards graded and so. And that. So one piece is more like. Is there a gameplay with one piece?

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah, I know there is, but Magic, the cartoon. Anime. Sorry, not a cartoon called anime. I know what it's called. Don't want any hate mail from you one piecers. I know it is. I actually appreciate the artwork. It's pretty nice. It's a little racy at times. You know, catch bell over there floating through packs and set, say, hey, you know, like, could you do that after hours. But other than that.

[Brian Lutt]

Yeah, there's a. The magic people, they actually want to use them to play the game more than any other gameplay that I've seen.

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[Brian Lutt]

I think we talked about it last week. There's just so many players, you know, and then you go to Bowman draft. You go to Bowman first. That's like, I mean it's so hard to make the major leagues and. Yeah, I mean I like collecting baseball cards and I like watching it. I kind of like collecting it when they become real big leaguers.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah, I agree. Have you heard this story? Did we tell you this?

[Brian Lutt]

Yes, I heard it and it's insane. I mean you have to end with this.

[Ryan Alford]

Yeah. So it's. I think it was last Thursday, Wednesday or Thursday of last week. And I haven't bought into whatnot in a while. I used to like everyone else, probably buy into too many breaks and like, all right, I'm in six breaks right now. I'm not sure which I'm going to watch. But you know, it was fun. So I decided, hey, we'll, we'll buy in a little bit here and see, get a little action going. So there was a prison. It was choice, I believe Prism choice. It's single pack prism 2025 football. So you get a single pack in the box and they were open the case so 12 box case. So 12 total packs being open. It's a heater box. I mean it's fun. A lot of numbered cards. It's got the Everett Cherry Blossom. Every like major Nebula was like the big hit. And I did random player on the wheel. It was like 300 players. And I got Stevenson, the running back from the Patriots, good player but not an exciting pickup, let's be honest. And I got Quinn Ewers again, showed to promise at the end of last year. A little improving. Not sure what's going to happen with him, but might be starting next year. His cards have a decent value because he played at Texas. And I think there is a lot a fair amount of people that think that he might ultimately be a starter in the league, if not there somewhere else. So I get those two guys and let's just say I fell asleep before I could watch the break. It gets late, man, these guys, I don't know how these guys do it. They're just going late, you know. Alfred's got to sleep and fell asleep. Had no idea that I had those two guys. I'm like, how good or how bad could it be? And, you know, if you've done whatnot and you're listening, you know that they don't exactly don't send you who you got. You either watch that or you don't, or you go back and look at the video receipt, which is never the right time and moment. You have to watch, like, 30 minutes to see what you actually got. It's dumb, but I guess it's something. So I didn't do that. I just said, whatever comes in the mail, it'll be like Christmas morning. Let's just say I'd even forgotten that I even bought into the break.

[Brian Lutt]

Yeah.

[Ryan Alford]

So I think I spent, like, it was a little under a hundred bucks for both and to get Stevenson and yours. Not very exciting. I'm not expecting to make my money back. I'll just say that.

[Brian Lutt]

No, that's why you went to bed.

[Ryan Alford]

That's why I went to sleep. So we'll start with I. I got a Stevenson card. It was an out of 14. About as good as you could do, you know, other than like a cherry blossom or something ridiculous. Like, probably as good as you could do for him, like twenty, thirty dollar card. It gets interesting with Quinn yours. First card that's in the pack was this one that I'm holding up, a silver Quinn yours prism, which is actually, I believe, like 15 bucks or something. 15, 20 bucks. Somebody's gonna DM me and say, no, that's $7. Okay, fine. Whatever it is, it's not terrible. But obviously not. Didn't make up that 85, 90, whatever. The exact number somewhere in that range plus tax. Here's where it gets interesting. The next card holding this up, you need to be watching. Hopefully can see it. We'll zoom in. Something like that. Post production. It's an autograph. Quinn yours. And it's like a scope. I don't know the exact parallel. It looks like silver scope or something. Not the mouthwash. And it was a one out of a hundred.

[Brian Lutt]

Oh, wow.

[Ryan Alford]

And it was 100 out of 100. So it's like, hey, wow, I got an auto. That's. I know enough to know that that was probably like 80 bucks, though it turns out it's right around 150 or $50 card. Hey, made more than what I spent. Okay. There's still more cards, though. Proceed to see card behind that. It's another Quinn Ewers autograph in the same Case of the same card.

[Brian Lutt]

Oh, my God. Number.

[Ryan Alford]

I almost hit Jersey number. It's 14. Or, excuse me, 16. His jersey number is 14. I hit 16 out of 100. The exact same parallel. I'm like, what are the chances that you get two autographs? Then I go to the next card, the final card. Three out of the same series, the same set. Quinn yours. Autographs 350. Quinn ewers autographed in the same case. Three out of a hundred. So 3% of the entire series are set or variations. The exact same card. If you're you, you only believe this if you see it. And I'm holding them up for everybody watching. Three individual cards. We have 100 of 100. We have 16 out of 100. And we have 50. No, 66060 out of a hundred. Yeah, that you.

[Brian Lutt]

I mean, you're not too far from cornering the market on those. Then you can move the price up.

[Ryan Alford]

I'm going to get in a few more breaks and see if I can get.

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[Ryan Alford]

But. Brian, anyone listening? What are the odds? And Bella's showing these on the camera with a really Bad glare. Yep. She's trying to help, though. That's. It's. Yeah.

[Brian Lutt]

The odds of that is a mistake. So I don't even know.

[Ryan Alford]

I've watched a lot of breaks. There's a lot of people that watch a lot of breaks. Have you ever seen someone. Number. Get the same exact card in autograph numbered, not. Not a base autograph. That. Okay. Is not numbered. And there might be 20, 30,000 of them, two of the same numbered autographs. Have you ever seen that? I bet you there's one person going, maybe out of our millions and millions of people listening, but there's probably nobody that's seen two, much less three. And here's how, like, I did find and went and watched the actual breaking. They were hitting so many cards that were so good, and the guy was obviously just so used to the big hitters. He hit the one, he's like, hey, good hit, man. All right, thanks. Thank you. If I'd have been on, I'd have said thank you in the caption, you know, written it. Thank you for getting that card. But I wasn't on. I was. Okay, so he comes up. All right. Then he hits it, like, four packs later. And he hits it and he kind of pauses. But he's had. He's already. Every card in these packs is a hit. They're all numbered. Nebulous. So I forgive him. That Quinn, you were standing out as an auto wasn't really that big a news compared to the other things he was hitting. But he kind of paused. He goes, I think that's another Quinn. Yours. Hey, good job, man. I'm like, okay, cool. That's cool.

[Brian Lutt]

Double think he.

[Ryan Alford]

It's the, like, second to last pack, and he's gone through so many more cards. And I understood. I was like. At first, I was expecting him to do cartwheels. I couldn't believe that he'd gotten three, but he'd done so many more cards. He got to the third one, and he goes, I think we've hit three of those. Like. And he couldn't quite remember. He's gone through so many cards. He's like, his buddy or whoever's breaking with him. He's going, is that three of him? And, like. And he wasn't looking on the back to see that it was numbered. So he wasn't picking up the fact that they were all three out of a hundred. He was just seeing the auto. And so he picked up on it. Goes, did we really get three? Quit, like, he kind of. He didn't make A big deal of it. But like, I think if he had looked at the back of each one of those and. And seen that they were all the same set, he would have made a much bigger deal out of it. But it was a little bit of like, oh, God, dude, you could. This is over here. You missed it.

[Brian Lutt]

Yeah. And it got diluted a bit. You know, it had been better is if they were all the same number. Like if it was 100. 100, 100.

[Ryan Alford]

Like different ones. Three different sets. Or the same. Or the same one. Like, to prove that the. To prove that there actually are duplicates out there. Yeah, that'd be. That would be a scandal. You know, that would have been. Are these made by psa?

[Brian Lutt]

Sorry.

[Ryan Alford]

Just like. Well, let's be honest. Like, it's kind of getting to that point. That's a great. Yeah. So anyway, if you're listening and you've really seen three autos of the same player out of the same set in one case, let us know. But I have to think, even though that's a limited, you know, that that choice or is not as many as like hot, like freaking like blaster boxes or something. I still think there's probably thousands of cases of that, right?

[Brian Lutt]

Yeah, there has to be.

[Ryan Alford]

So to get 13 of the 100 of the same player. Mistake on the manufacturing end. But the odds. I should go play the lottery.

[Brian Lutt]

You just did.

[Ryan Alford]

I did. I won the lottery. I won the stretch ticket lottery winner. And look, my fascination with this story and like that is less about like, you know, 150. It's great. Yeah. 400, $500 worth of car. Just not like it's. It's cool. Like. Yeah. I'm very happy I didn't lose money on that break. My fascination is more the odds. Like thinking through, like knowing data and math, you know, to at least on some level going the. The percentage chance of that is so low.

[Brian Lutt]

It should be worth more than 500 bucks.

[Ryan Alford]

It should be, Brian. That's the point. That's the point. Can we. Can someone make this worth more? I don't know. I needed that to be like the billion dollar, you know, $50 billion jackpot that I've never played.

[Brian Lutt]

Whatever it is, the odds were much lower that you got them and the price is. Is lower.

[Ryan Alford]

Because that's my point, Brian. I. Some. Someone should award this spectacular amount of luck that I had with more than Quinn Ewers auto cards. Yeah.

[Brian Lutt]

In my book.

[Ryan Alford]

Oh, thanks, Brian. That makes you feel better. That's all that matters.

[Brian Lutt]

That's all.

[Ryan Alford]

Brian, any final words today?

[Brian Lutt]

I'm good. I'm gonna head out to Dallas. It's a little warmer there than Chicago, but that's it. And like I always say, I appreciate being on here with you and Bella, thank you for another great show.

[Ryan Alford]

We appreciate you, brother. Hey, if you see Brian, look for any ludic stickers, anything. Hopefully he's decked out. Go give him a pat on the back. Thank him for putting out such a great app and for being such a great guy, which he actually is. And I appreciate him. And we appreciate you. We know you got options. We hope you make this until, hey, do us a favor. Tell someone you like, tell someone you love, tell them about the show, tell them about Lud X. We would appreciate it. And hey, that's why we do it. We do this to be informative, to have fun, to give you an outlet for something to listen to about the hobby. And Brian and I thank you dearly for tuning in. L U D E X Check them out in the App Store. You got a free version. You've got a paid version that pays for itself faster than you could blink your eyes. Let me tell you, best scan scanning app in the App Store. It's only getting better. Big releases coming. L u D E X in the App Store and L U D E X dot com. Hey, we love you. We appreciate you. We'll see you next time. Electronation. Thanks for tuning in to the show. Be sure to follow us on your go to podcast platform and catch the full video episode over on YouTube. Visit [e-mail] and follow Ryan on Instagram at Ryan Alford. Now get out there and collect yours.

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