❎-CLUSIVE Rob Treat with Guest Philip Kinsella: We Are One. Cabal. AI. DNA. Moving Forward.

Summary

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Connie Willis: The Podcast

❎-CLUSIVE Rob Treat with Guest Philip Kinsella: We Are One. Cabal. AI. DNA. Moving Forward.

Date: February 16, 2023

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Episode Overview

In this exclusive episode of Connie Willis: The Podcast, renowned host Connie Willis invites whistleblower and military veteran Rob Treat and UK-based experiencer/author Philip Kinsella for a candid, deep-dive conversation. Their discussion centers on extraterrestrial contact, the nature of consciousness and DNA, the manipulation of humanity by hidden powers (“the Cabal”), the threat of staged alien invasions, and the urgency for human spiritual evolution. The conversation is intimate and raw, exploring personal experiences, broader metaphysical patterns, and the challenges facing humanity as we move forward.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Transformative Impact of Alien Abduction

(03:14 – 05:07)

• Philip Kinsella opens by reflecting on his own abduction experience in the winter of 1989 and how such encounters seem to expand consciousness, trigger psychic phenomena, and drive interest in life-after-death. He wonders if this is trauma, or a shift in human frequency by contact with beings like the Grays.
  • Quote (Philip Kinsella, 03:14): “When I had the initial abduction, I then found that my consciousness... start[s] to expand... going into more of the psychic phenomena... So do you believe yourself, Rob, that such interactions by them... alter the vibrational frequency or the signaling of the human brain or the biosphere of the body?”
• Rob Treat argues these experiences do change people—sometimes even at the DNA level. The effect is akin to an awakening, like suddenly seeing the world with fresh eyes.
  • Quote (Rob Treat, 04:37): “It's like an awakening moment. And you're never the same after… Being in contact with them, whether it's for good or for bad.”

2. DNA & Evolutionary Changes from Cosmic Encounters

(04:48 – 05:32)

• Reference to studies showing astronauts experience DNA changes after space flight, drawing parallels to abductees’ transformations.

  • Quote (Philip Kinsella, 04:48): “The astronauts... when they come back, they’re changed. There is significant changes within their DNA. This has been proven, isn't it?”

• Rob Treat calls this the “total perspective vortex,” a fundamental shift in perception.

  • Quote (Rob Treat, 05:07): “It's like when your mind finally wakes up to the to the potential of... the universe. And you know that that same potential is in you, and... in the person next to you.”

3. Media Manipulation & The Cabal’s Staged Invasion Plan

(05:32 – 06:57)

• Philip asks Rob about rumors of a future faked UFO invasion. Rob affirms those fears, stating he’s heard directly about plans for a “staged alien invasion.”

  • Quote (Rob Treat, 06:04): “Yeah, there's definitely going to be a fake alien invasion. And I heard it directly. And the words that they used was ‘staged alien invasion’... they're desperate to pull off their hoax before the real ones return.”

• Rob ties Hollywood's depiction of hostile aliens to this agenda, priming the public for fear and conflict.

  • Quote (Rob Treat, 06:34): “This is why... movies and television shows are about hostile aliens coming... so they're going to stage an alien invasion as a preface. So when the... real ones arrive... we'll engage them in warfare.”

4. Alien Civilizations, Human Nature, and the Purpose of Contact

(07:23 – 09:03)

• Rob describes alien societies as fundamentally different: no concept of ownership, status, or materialism. The Grays and others prioritize progression, not conquest.

  • Quote (Rob Treat, 08:09): “They're not wearing designer clothes. They don't pursue things like leather couches and fine homes and owning land. There's no concept of ownership.”

• Philip wonders if human beings and extraterrestrials share a common origin, speculating that ET visits are reminders of “the way that life should be.”

  • Quote (Philip Kinsella, 08:21): “Perhaps we are all from the same source? Extraterrestrial? Human? The way I see it... I've always thought... the human experiment... has gone disastrously wrong.”

5. The Master Race, Creation of Humanity, and Civilizational Conflict

(10:56 – 11:36)

• Rob asserts there is a “master creator race” that seeded all life, and that subsequent civil wars between created races (over the creation of humans) left scars on Mars and Earth.
  • Quote (Rob Treat, 10:56): “There’s a race that created... the early species in our known universe... the creation of humans is what triggered the war between the races, the civil war that led to the fallen.”

6. Non-verbal Communication & The Message to Humanity

(12:40 – 13:52)

• Both share how communication with non-human intelligences is often symbolic, a form of telepathic transmission involving glyphs or images.
  • Quote (Rob Treat, 13:20): “They communicate to us through symbolism, through allegory... One of the big impressions... was that us— we need to just stop. We just need to stop what we’re doing.”
• The core message: All is one, all actions ripple through the universe. Humanity must move past individualism and realize our interconnection for true evolution.
  • Quote (Rob Treat, 13:53): “Everything is one. And everything that we do doesn't affect just us... it affects other species and other planets throughout the paraverse... Until we... learn how to be in harmony... then things change... all the problems that we suffer from will just disappear like they never existed.”

7. The Cabal’s Tactics: Separation, Artificiality & Suppressing Consciousness

(14:51 – 15:27)

• The Cabal (or hidden powers) work proactively to push humanity away from nature, encourage artificial environments, and suppress consciousness expansion.

  • Quote (Rob Treat, 15:27): “They want us separated from nature... they encourage us and create for us artificial environments... you feel different walking down the streets of London than the foothills of Scotland.”

• Connie adds grounding advice: “Take your shoes off. Put your feet on the ground. You do feel better.” (15:48)

8. Twins, DNA, and Extraterrestrial Fascination

(16:13 – 19:08)

• Rob speculates that twins represent a unique DNA patterning of special interest to ETs; twinning may be a trait inherited from a founding race.

  • Quote (Rob Treat, 16:13): “They're very interested in our DNA... it's basically like computer code... it also accumulates and stores information that they can retrieve... I could definitely see that twins would... be an area of interest.”

• Philip shares his and his twin brother Ronnie’s abduction stories, noting they were taken together and referencing synchronicities with the number seven.

• Rob recounts his own DNA test results: 96.5% from a small region in Scotland, 4.5% unknown.

  • Quote (Rob Treat, 18:46): “My DNA, I've had it tested in three different labs... It appears as if I have one parent... 4.5% is unknown.”

9. The Personal Struggle & The Necessity of Humor

(19:29 – 20:12)

• Philip emphasizes the importance of humor when facing such daunting realities.

• Rob, candidly, shares he’s been preparing for death due to his illness—never expecting to plan this far ahead.

  • Quote (Rob Treat, 20:12): “I've spent… most of the past year preparing for my death. My doctors… said I probably wouldn’t make it to New Year's Eve…”

• Rob theorizes that twinning may be unique to founding races and could be key to understanding the “source code” of DNA.

  • Quote (Rob Treat, 20:42): “Twinning is an aspect only seen in the Founding Race… the twinning may hold the key to what the source code of our DNA is.”

10. Closing Thoughts: High Strangeness & Hope

(21:04 – 23:31)

• Philip recounts a dramatic UFO sighting and the feeling that some UFO encounters aren’t malevolent but simply represent “high strangeness.”
• Both express gratitude and kinship, with Philip sending healing wishes to Rob ahead of his surgery.

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Memorable Quotes

• “There's definitely going to be a fake alien invasion... before the real ones return.”
  — Rob Treat (06:04)

• “Everything is one. And everything that we do doesn't affect just us... it affects other species and other planets throughout the paraverse.”
  — Rob Treat (13:53)

• “We’re all connected. We’re all linked on some level. But I've always wondered... the way that, you know, these boxes and how they come in. It's very strange, isn’t it?”
  — Philip Kinsella (17:29)

• “Twinning may hold the key to what the source code of our DNA is.”
  — Rob Treat (20:42)

• “It's been a true pleasure to talk to you, sir, and I'm going to check you out.”
  — Philip Kinsella (22:57)

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Timestamps for Notable Segments

• 03:14 – Philip’s abduction, consciousness expansion, psychic phenomena
• 04:14 – Rob on DNA change/awakening post-contact
• 06:04 – Staged alien invasion conspiracy discussed
• 08:09 – Extraterrestrial societies, human ownership, experimentation
• 10:56 – The “master creator race” and galactic civil war
• 12:40 – Non-verbal communication and big messages from ETs
• 13:53 – All is one; the ripple effect of actions and spiritual evolution
• 15:27 – Cabal, artificial environments, and consciousness suppression
• 16:13 – Twin DNA and ET research interest
• 18:46 – Rob’s DNA test results: one parent, unknown ancestry
• 20:12 – Rob on preparing for death and the uniqueness of twins
• 21:04 – High strangeness, close-range UFO sighting
• 22:52 – Final gratitude and hopes as Rob faces surgery

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Conclusion

This episode of Connie Willis: The Podcast provides a unique and intimate exploration into alien contact, the spiritual and physical transformations such contacts bring, and the challenges of pushing through a world shaped by hidden, manipulative powers. The discussion balances personal experience, theory, hope, and humor, resolving with a profound call: that humanity must embrace unity, spiritual consciousness, and our interconnectedness with the universe in order to face threats—both terrestrial and cosmic.

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[Philip Kinsella]

Yeah. Robert, what I was going to ask you is that it is an honor to speak to you. I'm very grateful for this opportunity through Connie and, you know, and I just need to ask, isn't it. Isn't it strange how when you've had an abduction and the only one I recall is the one in 1989, the winter of 1989, I had some interactions as a child, but I only recall snippets of it. But when I had the initial abduction, I then found that my consciousness or, you know, parts of the awareness start to expand. Look, going into more of the psychic phenomena, interest in life after death and all this type of thing. So do you believe yourself, Rob, that such interactions by them. Is this to do with trauma or some kind of, you know, where the person is brought into the filled frequency of, say, the grays or whichever, that it seems to alter the vibrational frequency or the signal, the signaling of the human brain or the biosphere of the body? What's your thoughts on that?

[Rob Treat]

I mean, yeah, I think it does change. It definitely does change you.

[Philip Kinsella]

Yeah.

[Rob Treat]

Whether it's a change, it might be a change in your DNA. It just might be an awakening to the. To the fact that we're not alone. You know, it's almost like, you know, when you've been, like, walking down, say down, you know, a crowded street, your. Your head's down and you're lost in thought and you suddenly stop and look around, you're like, oh, wow, look at all these people.

[Philip Kinsella]

Yeah.

[Rob Treat]

It's like an awakening moment. And you're never the same after.

[Philip Kinsella]

That's right.

[Rob Treat]

Being in contact with them, whether it's for good or for bad. Yeah.

[Philip Kinsella]

It's like the astronauts that go out into space, when they come back, they changed. There is significant changes within their dn. This has been proven, isn't it, that they are changed when they've been out in space and they come back again. This has been registered. So I agree with you on that level. Yeah, absolutely.

[Rob Treat]

Yeah. I call it the total perspective vortex. It's like. It's like when you, you know, when your mind finally wakes up to the to the potential of, you know, the universe. And you know that that same potential is in you, and that same potential is in the person next to you. And you start to see people differently and you start to see that the way this world is constructed and operates is rather ludicrous.

[Philip Kinsella]

Yeah, I think people like you and me and many others see that. And I think it's frustrating because you're trying to deal with it on a daily basis of getting yourself through the day and through life. Because you can see the corruption, can't you? You can see the corruption and all the lies, disinformation and the programming of consciousness. You know, Rob, I need to ask you another question with regards to your thoughts. I mean, do you think there's going to be some kind of faked UFO invasion? I get this asked all the time. I don't know.

[Rob Treat]

Yeah, there's, there's definitely going to be a fake alien invasion. And I heard it directly. And the words that they used was staged alien invasion. And it's my belief, you know, through these, these conversations, these interactions, that they know that the aliens are coming back and they're desperate to pull off their hoax before the real ones return.

[Philip Kinsella]

Right.

[Rob Treat]

This is why we see all of our movies and television shows are about hostile aliens coming because we're gonna, they're gonna try and beat them, we're gonna go to war with them. So they're going to stage an alien invasion as kind of like a preface. So when the, when the real ones arrive, shortly thereafter, we'll engage them in warfare.

[Philip Kinsella]

Good lord. That is, you know, there's no end to the cabals plans are, is there really? I mean, you know, it's just terrible that they want to cull humanity. They want to control everything. And at the end result, my understanding is that, you know, where will they be at the end beyond all of this physicality? I wonder if they've taken that into consideration at all, you know.

[Rob Treat]

Well, they can't win. There's no way that they're. There's no amount of human power that's going to be, you know, the aliens, but they view it kind of, you know, like a, like a feudal system, like conquer the neighboring king's castle and now you own his kingdom too, you know, and that's, that's very much the, the ideology that we still have as people, you know, conquering each other. And the way that the, the Grays and, and the other alien races feel is very different. It's more about, you know, progression and us taking our place. We're never going to be able to take our place. We're not going to be allowed to take our place as long as we're still a hostile species and think that the way we do, you know?

[Philip Kinsella]

Yeah, sorry.

[Rob Treat]

Oh, I was. Like, I was saying to Connie, their civilization is very different. Like, they're not wearing designer clothes. They don't pursue things like leather couches and fine homes and owning land. There's no concept of ownership.

[Philip Kinsella]

Yes, absolutely. And do you think that perhaps that we are all from the same source? Extraterrestrial? Human? I mean, you know, the way I see it is that I've always thought, well, you know, the human experiment. I see it as an experiment obviously gone disastrously wrong. We have to have a sense of humor because we, you know, a lot of our species is not good, and people don't want the fairytale version. They want, you know, the truth. And the truth is we're not a nice species. So something somewhere has gone wrong, isn't it? And I. And I think that perhaps that, you know, through the interaction of these extraterrestrials that we call the more interdimensionals is reminding us of the way that life should be. Is that. Is that the way you see it?

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[Rob Treat]

So, yes, you know, you'd asked me if there was like a, a master creator race. And yes, there, there is, there's a race that created all the, the early species in our known universe. What we know is the universe. And then some of those created species went on to create species of their own. And it's my understanding that the creation of humans is what triggered the war between the races, the civil war that led to the fallen, that led to the casting down, that led to a lot of the damage done in our solar system, to Mars, to Earth.

[Philip Kinsella]

Yeah, I think it's really incredible, you know, when you think about it, Rob, with regards to your ideas and you know, I, I agree that you, you should write a book, you know, about all of this because I think a lot of people would be very interested in what you have to say and certainly with the information that you have also, it's just incredible that you've, you've far. And you know, you're going to go through this surgery and that's going to be kind of scary for, for you and we're all going to be, you know, hanging out for you. But you know, when you come back, I mean, you, you got to write that book, right?

[Rob Treat]

I'll have plenty of time in the hospital to write it.

[Philip Kinsella]

You better be sure you write that book. I mean, it's, it's. And I always think and feel that, you know, again, the way that we've, you know, conditioned and contained this subject matter of the cryptids and ufology, and it all seems messy and trying to draw the connection links to one to the other. I think that eventually that we will find that it's all part of the same thing to some degree.

[Rob Treat]

Yeah. And the message that I wanted to really get out and to tell people what was relayed to me over and over again. And you know, when you had your experience, you probably know that they don't really speak to you verbally. They put like a glyph or a symbol in your head and then you see a picture and then like you have an understanding. It's not even really like talking, you know, Their language is very non. Verbal.

[Philip Kinsella]

Yeah. I mean, it was. There was one scene of a big tree when I was asked to exit the craft, and I floated down with two other grace by me. And that has always troubled me. I never, you know. Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah.

[Rob Treat]

So they communicate to us, you know, through. Through symbolism, through allegory, and we can't understand that. But one of the big impressions that I got repeatedly was that us is we need to just stop. We just need to stop what we're doing. Yeah. And we're. That we're. That we're here to. That life is an experience, and in experience comes evolution. And through that evolution, we will eventually, you know, solve our problems and be able to take our place with ease and grace.

[Philip Kinsella]

Yes. Right.

[Rob Treat]

Yeah. But we've got to stop with the individualism thing. The thing that we're. That everything is one. And everything that we do doesn't affect just us. Our behavior, our antics here on Earth as a species affects all the other species on the planet. It affects the planet as a whole, and it affects other species and other planets throughout the paraverse. Right. It's like, you know, it's like we're throwing stones in. In the water. Right. And creating ripples throughout the universe, throughout all of existence and not present existence, because everything is one. What we do today affects the past, it affects the future, it affects the present, it affects us, it affects them, it affects everything.

[Philip Kinsella]

Yeah.

[Rob Treat]

So until we. Until we can learn how to be in harmony with ourselves, with each other, then we fall into harmony with the rest of the universe. Then things change, knowledge comes, and all the problems that we suffer from will just disappear like they never existed.

[Philip Kinsella]

And that's how the cabal know that when we human species start to raise ourselves consciously, they come along and they slam us back down again to create more chaos, to subjugate consciousness, to bring us down. And that was very much majorly felt by myself, you know, around about three years ago, you know, so every time we try and lift ourselves up, and I believe in that, with consciousness, with the way that you think and you feel as an individual and as, you know, connecting other people into that fray. The cabal know, don't they? They know. And they seem to be able to attack also, I think.

[Rob Treat]

Yeah, which is one of the reasons why they want us separated from nature, why they. They encourage us and create for us artificial environments. Right. It's like the way you feel when you're walking down, say, you know, the streets of London is very different than the way you feel when you're walking through the foothills of Scotland.

[Philip Kinsella]

Yes.

[Connie Willis (Host)]

You know, and where people say, hey, get grounded. Take your shoes off. Put your feet on the ground. Go put your feet on the ground. And you do feel better. You do feel better. Rob, I wanted to ask you something of Philip here. He is a twin. He and Ronnie have been taken. You talk about DNA. Is there. Do you think there's something to the twin thing and why they might think that's more important? Can you talk to that in any way?

[Rob Treat]

Yeah, they. They're very interested in our DNA. And as I've said, you know, previously, our. Our DNA is a. Is. It's basically like computer code which decides how our body is created, how we're going to conduct our lives, how we're going to be. But it also accumulates and stores information that they can retrieve. I don't know about twins specifically, but, yes, I could definitely see that twins would definitely be an area of interest. You know, like how the. How the DNA of two individuals in twins, how that information is transferred between those two individuals. Like, you know, we've heard if, you know, one twin gets hurt, the other one feels it. And they don't procreate like we do. Like, we know we're still a species that procreates in a natural way, which is something that they don't.

[Philip Kinsella]

Right, right. That's interesting, actually, because, you know, we had an abduction seven years apart from one another, and we are seven. I'm seven minutes older than my twin. I don't know if they measure years by minutes or how they do it.

[Connie Willis (Host)]

You were taken together, too, though, right? Am I?

[Philip Kinsella]

Yes.

[Connie Willis (Host)]

Okay. Okay. All right.

[Philip Kinsella]

So the way that I see it is that, you know, it's really strange because we're identical twins. And I, you know, I've never considered my special because we're all special. We're all connected. We're all linked on some level. But I've always wondered. And normally the number seven, it does, you know, figure. So I. I think it. Phil, going back to your patterns and, you know, like, the way that, you know, these boxes and how they come in. It's very strange, isn't it? It's. It's. It's incredible.

[Rob Treat]

Yeah, There. There's something to the number seven. I don't know what it is, you know, but we see that, you know, coming up a lot through history and through civilizations. Even like the swoosh symbol that you see on so many NASA patches.

[Philip Kinsella]

Oh, yeah.

[Rob Treat]

The number seven. If you don't see the number Seven. You see, the symbol of the Pleiades, which is seven stars. And I think that that's all part of what's encoded, because our DNA contains all the information of all ages through all time. You know, we write it off as junk code, you know, or, you know, code in the DNA that doesn't really do anything. And that's not true. All your DNA does something.

[Connie Willis (Host)]

Tell Philip about your DNA, what they found out about you.

[Rob Treat]

My DNA, I've had it tested in three different labs, and it comes back with almost identical results. It appears as if I have one parent. It's 96.5% pure from a very small region in Scotland, and the other 4.5% is unknown.

[Philip Kinsella]

Wow, that's interesting. Good Lord. You hear about these hybridization programs and, you know, star children and all that type of thing. That's very interesting. Yeah. I don't know what they make of mine. I have no idea, Rob.

[Connie Willis (Host)]

Still trying to figure that out?

[Philip Kinsella]

Yeah, I'm still trying to figure me out. I can't work myself out, let alone the DNA. I can assure you of that. But one of. One of the things I do find endearing is that, you know, it's great to have a sense of humor with regards to it, because the. The reality of it, Rob, is quite raw and sometimes very difficult for us to understand. But certainly with your interaction and your knowledge and, you know, what you've been through, it has been, what they would say, an intellectual treat to see how you grapple with these affairs, sir. So, you know, in terms of where you're going, where do you see yourself going? I mean, you know, you're going to get past that point. But what. How are you going to, you know, how are you going to lead the rest of your life?

[Rob Treat]

I really don't know. I. I've spent really most of the past year preparing for my death. You know, I was. My doctors really gave me till the end of. They said I probably wouldn't make it to New Year's Eve. So I never really made any plans past this point. Yeah. So I don't know what I'm, you know, what my future holds. You know, on the. On the subject of twins, one final thought is I think that twinning is an aspect that's only seen in the founding race. And for it to be occurring in another race, I think is very fascinating. And that's probably why they're interested in you guys, because I think twinning only happens to the Forerunners, the Master. The founding race, the Master race, and the twinning may hold the key to what the source code of our DNA is.

[Philip Kinsella]

I see. Yes. Because the 9th of April 2016 was the last time that we'd seen the UFOs at close range. They were magnificent. And it had. They've been tracked from the Isles of Cilly. Another researcher that we knew has since passed over, but he filled me with a lot of information and I knew, I had a feeling when they were above us that they weren't malevolent. I didn't feel any, any, you know, any evil coming from them. It was just weird how they, they were there and that they did a strange configuration and then they moved off very quickly. They were massive.3 triangle in a triangular formation.3 massive spherical white lights that when we were coming back from the village of Copal from some police friends, from an early birthday meal. But it was 11:15pm at night and I, astounded by it, Rob, completely, totally shocked. And the levels of high strangeness was quite evident because there was nowhere, no one around the. You couldn't, you know, you couldn't hear anything. It was like it just snowed. And it's just incredible how the phenomena presents itself to the individual. I think that's, that's something that I've been looking into for God knows how long. And, you know, and it's amazing, isn't it, how they can come in and go out. It's like. It's like the X Files. You've got nothing left.

[Connie Willis (Host)]

You're listening to Connie Willis, the podcast. We're wrapping it up only because I know that Philip's got some other plans for the day to go. Do I think it's more or less sleeping because he's out in the uk. Robert Treat and Philip Kinsella together here. Rob, do you have any last words before wrapping it up?

[Rob Treat]

Oh, I could probably talk to Philip for hours. It was wonderful meeting you and a great conversation. Truly a pleasure. And, you know, it's. It's always nice to interact with a fellow Brit,

[Connie Willis (Host)]

and that's Philip Kinsella. Philip, anything that you'd like to say or ask before taking off?

[Philip Kinsella]

Well, first of all, I have to thank you, Connie, for inviting me on. And secondly, I have to say a great. A big thank you to Rob for taking the time out to speak to me. Wonderful guy. I really pray that you get through this, you know, because it's something that is very serious. And you'll have our prayers sent to you, Rob, for you to get through this. And it's been a true pleasure to talk to you, sir, and I'm going to check you out. It'll have to be tomorrow now, but I'll check you out and see if I can connect with you. Yeah.

[Rob Treat]

Oh yeah. It was a pleasure meeting too. Thoroughly enjoyed it.

[Philip Kinsella]

Thank you.

[Connie Willis (Host)]

Robert [e-mail], philip Kinsella@the kinsellatwins.com we've got more here, obviously, to come with Connie Willis, the Podcast. Thanks for supporting the shows.

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