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Ailsa Chang
Five days after United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson was shot and killed in Manhattan, police made their first arrest. 26 year old Luigi Mangione was taken into custody on Monday in Pennsylvania. He's now facing charges, including murder, the illegal possession of a firearm and lying about his identity. Here's Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro speaking to reporters after the arrest.
Josh Shapiro
The attention in this case and the killing of Brian Thompson was helpful, no doubt, in allowing us to capture this killer. But some attention in this case, especially online, has been deeply disturbing as some have looked to celebrate instead of condemning.
Ailsa Chang
This killer, consider this Authorities believe that they have arrested the person responsible for gunning down the CEO of a health insurance company. What have we learned about Luigi Mangioni and his possible motivations from npr? I'm Ailsa Chang.
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Ailsa Chang
It's consider this from NPR. Luigi Mangioni has been charged with murder after the killing of United Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson last week. But many questions still elude easy answers. Who is Mangione and what might have motivated him? NPR's Maria Aspin has dug into all of this and she's here with us now. Hi, Maria.
Maria Aspin
Hi, Elsa.
Ailsa Chang
All right, so what have we learned so far about Mangione?
Maria Aspin
We're still getting a full picture and there is a lot that doesn't fit the initial speculation about the identity of this healthcare vigilante. Mangioni was by all accounts smart and successful. He grew up wealthy in Baltimore. His family owns country clubs and nursing homes and A conservative talk radio station. And he's got a cousin, Nino Mangione, who's a Republican lawmaker in Maryland. Mangione went to an exclusive all boys prep school called the Gilman School, where tuition is now more than 30, $35,000 per year. He graduated as a valedictorian. And this is from the speech he gave to his high school in 2016.
Ailsa Chang
The class of 2016 truly has the.
Gia Tolentino
Fearlessness to explore new things and the obvious ability to excel.
Maria Aspin
And by all accounts, Mangione continued to excel. He went to the University of Pennsylvania, where he graduated in four years with both a bachelor's and master's degree in computer science. And then he went on to work in tech until at least last year.
Ailsa Chang
So quite accomplished so far. I mean, I know that you've been talking to people who knew Mangione throughout his life. What's been their reaction to the news that he's being accused of such a heinous crime?
Maria Aspin
Disbelief, shock, sadness. I spoke this morning with Freddie Leatherberry, who went to junior high and high school with Mangione, and he remembers someone who is athletic, smart and well liked.
Josh Shapiro
He had everything going for him. And on top of that, he was well adjusted socially. He had a lot of friends in a lot of different circles.
Maria Aspin
Leatherbury told me he hasn't stayed in close touch with Mangione, but he's still wrapping his head around this.
Josh Shapiro
I'm still just in disbelief that the kid that I knew has just taken his life in this direction.
Maria Aspin
And this was something I also heard from people who knew Mangione more recently.
Ailsa Chang
Well, are there any explanations for what could have changed in his life?
Maria Aspin
He was in some physical pain with his back. In the last couple of years, Mangione was living in Hawaii, and the people there I talked to you say that his back pain kept him from surfing, hiking, and generally enjoying Life as a 20something there. It also seems that Mangione was spending a lot of time online and following influencers who are big on masculinity focus self help advice. He followed libertarian and right wing influencers like Joe Rogan and a fitness guru who gave advice about, for example, getting a gym membership instead of taking antidepressants. And then in the last year or so, things started to take a more disturbing tone. Mangione even left an online comment that praised the writing of Theodore Kaczynski, the domestic terrorist, also known as the Unabomber.
Ailsa Chang
Right. I mean, there has been so much speculation that this killing was driven by anger against health insurance companies in Terms of motive. What do we know at this point?
Maria Aspin
So police have said that Mangione was carrying a handwritten note that railed against corporate America and it criticized the health insurance industry for being parasitic. According to the AP, that is NPR's.
Ailsa Chang
Maria Aspin, the justice system will ultimately determine whether Mangione is guilty of the charges that he's facing. But a separate question lingers, one that may be more difficult to answer. Why have so many Americans celebrated the killing, particularly on social media? That is something New Yorker writer Gia Tolentino has been exploring, and she joins us now. Hi there.
Gia Tolentino
Thank you for having me. It's great to be here.
Ailsa Chang
It's great to have you back. So the title of this article is A man was murdered in cold blood and you're laughing. Can I just ask you personally, how surprised were you when you saw all the reaction on social media and in comments on news stories about the news of Thompson's murder? People celebrating, joking.
Gia Tolentino
I mean, it's certainly remarkable, it's certainly interesting, but I did not find response shocking.
Ailsa Chang
You actually you note some of the more breathtaking responses to, to this shooting. Can you just share a couple examples that really stayed with you as you were scanning the comments and all the social media posts?
Gia Tolentino
Yeah, well, so the immediate joke thousands and thousands of people were posting were, I'm sorry, prior authorization is required for thoughts and prayers. You know, and there was another person that wrote, does he have a history of shootings? Denied coverage. You know, UnitedHealthcare posted a announcement about Thompson's death on LinkedIn and had to disable comments because thousands and thousands and thousands of people were posting haha. Responses like cry laughing faces as the response. And yeah, that struck me as remarkable.
Ailsa Chang
I mean, let's just step back and talk about like what happened. This was a murder in public in a busy part of Manhattan. Thompson was shot in the back. He is the father of two sons. What do you think it does say about the health insurance industry in this country that people were quite literally laughing at this murder, celebrating his death?
Gia Tolentino
Well, I think that there are many forms that violence can take. We tend to focus on acts of violence that are like Thompson's murder. Right. Direct interpersonal violence. Right. But there's a lot of other types of it. An extremely common way that a life is unjustly cut short is by the denial of health care.
Ailsa Chang
Right. You write that Thompson's murder is one symptom of the American appetite for violence. His line of work is another.
Gia Tolentino
Right. You know, this Corporation is the 8th largest company in the world. It is incredibly profitable, and not despite the fact, but because of the fact that it routinely denies an egregious amount of care to its patients. Its claim denial rate is twice the industry average. UnitedHealthcare denies 32 to 33% of all care requested by a doctor. And so the response, the glee that people are expressing at this cold blooded myrrh is illuminating the fact that many people think of the private healthcare system in the US and specifically United Healthcare, as a company that itself has achieved these billions and billions and billions of dollars of profits in not provisioning health care, but indirectly provisioning death through a kind of severe and immoral and unjust violence on its own.
Ailsa Chang
You write that there's indifference on both sides of what we have seen. The indifference of so many people who are reacting to Thompson's death, but also this indifference that you're talking about right now of health insurance companies and the CEO class, as you put it, to the suffering and death of ordinary people. But let me ask you, how do you break this stalemate of indifference? Can you, or are we all locked into it?
Gia Tolentino
Well, you know, one causes the other. The indifference of people to Thompson's murder was entirely, I think, because of the indifference of these healthcare companies. And if not directly, Thompson, obviously he was not directly responsible for every denied claim, but he presided over it. And me personally, with my own anti capitalist views, do I think that being a CEO of a company like UnitedHealthcare, with its ideological responsibilities to its shareholders, do I think that that's compatible with actually taking care of patients? I don't. And I think that puts us in this strange moment where that's suddenly baldly out in the open.
Ailsa Chang
Gia Tolentino, staff writer at the New Yorker. Her latest article is called A man was murdered in cold blood and you're laughing. We reached out to UnitedHealth Group, the parent company of UnitedHealthcare, for comment on the social media reaction to Thompson's death. They directed us to a statement that said, in part, quote, our priorities are first and foremost supporting Brian's family, ensuring the safety of our employees, and working with law enforcement to bring the perpetrator to justice. This episode was produced by Katherine Fink, Lauren Hodges and Alejandra Marquez Hanse, with audio engineering by Gus Contreras. It was edited by Courtney Dorning, Andrea De Leon and Nadia Lancy. Our executive producer is Sami Yenigun. It's consider this from NPR. I'm Ailsa Chang.
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Consider This from NPR: A Suspect in Custody. Some Americans are Celebrating His Alleged Actions Release Date: December 10, 2024
Five days following the tragic assassination of Brian Thompson, the CEO of United Healthcare in Manhattan, authorities successfully apprehended the suspect responsible for this high-profile crime. The arrest was made on Monday in Pennsylvania, bringing a swift resolution to a case that has captured national attention.
At [00:24], Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro addressed the media regarding the arrest, acknowledging the mixed public sentiments surrounding the case:
Josh Shapiro: "The attention in this case and the killing of Brian Thompson was helpful, no doubt, in allowing us to capture this killer. But some attention in this case, especially online, has been deeply disturbing as some have looked to celebrate instead of condemning." [00:24]
The suspect, Luigi Mangione, a 26-year-old from Pennsylvania, now faces multiple charges including murder, illegal possession of a firearm, and identity fraud. NPR’s Maria Aspin delves deeper into Mangione’s background:
Maria Aspin: "Mangione was by all accounts smart and successful. He grew up wealthy in Baltimore. His family owns country clubs and nursing homes and a conservative talk radio station. He graduated as a valedictorian from the Gilman School and went on to earn both a bachelor's and master's degree in computer science from the University of Pennsylvania within four years." [02:53]
Despite his accomplished background, Mangione exhibited signs of personal distress. According to Aspin:
Maria Aspin: "Mangione was in some physical pain with his back, which limited his ability to enjoy activities like surfing and hiking while living in Hawaii. Additionally, he spent considerable time online, following influencers focused on masculinity and libertarian ideologies. Notably, he left an online comment praising Theodore Kaczynski, the infamous Unabomber." [05:32]
The motive behind Mangione's actions remains under scrutiny. Authorities believe Mangione harbored significant resentment toward the health insurance industry, particularly United Healthcare. As reported:
Maria Aspin: "Mangione was carrying a handwritten note that railed against corporate America, specifically criticizing the health insurance industry for being parasitic." [05:54]
This sentiment is echoed by his association with right-wing influencers who advocate for self-reliance and skepticism of institutional healthcare solutions.
One of the most disturbing aspects of this case has been the polarized public reaction, especially on social media platforms. Gia Tolentino, a staff writer at The New Yorker, explores this phenomenon in depth:
Gia Tolentino: "Thousands and thousands of people were posting jokes and celebratory comments regarding Thompson's death. For instance, one comment read, 'Prior authorization is required for thoughts and prayers,' while another quipped, 'Does he have a history of shootings? Denied coverage.' These responses even led UnitedHealthcare to disable comments on their LinkedIn announcement due to the overwhelming number of inappropriate reactions." [06:57]
Tolentino interprets these reactions as indicative of broader frustrations with the health insurance industry:
Gia Tolentino: "UnitedHealthcare denies 32 to 33% of all care requested by doctors, which is twice the industry average. The glee expressed in response to Thompson's murder reflects a perception that the company profits from denying necessary healthcare, indirectly contributing to patient suffering and death." [07:48]
She further connects this to a systemic issue of violence in American society:
Gia Tolentino: "Thompson's murder is symptomatic of an American appetite for violence, an appetite that extends beyond direct acts to include systemic injustices perpetuated by powerful corporations." [08:09]
The episode underscores a critical examination of the American healthcare system and its impact on public sentiment. Gia Tolentino emphasizes the profound disconnect and indifference that exists on both sides:
Gia Tolentino: "The indifference to Thompson's murder stems from the systemic indifference of healthcare companies towards the well-being of ordinary people. This case brings to light the unsustainable and morally questionable practices within major health insurance providers." [09:32]
Ultimately, the episode prompts listeners to reflect on the underlying causes of such extreme reactions and the broader societal issues that contribute to them. The swift arrest of Mangione, while providing immediate closure, opens the door to deeper conversations about corporate responsibility, mental health, and the pervasive nature of systemic violence in the United States.
Produced by Katherine Fink, Lauren Hodges, and Alejandra Marquez Hanse. Executive Producer: Sami Yenigun.