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Episode: Chicago's Archbishop Weighs In on Immigration Enforcement
Date: December 10, 2025
Host: Scott Detrow
Guest: Cardinal Blaise Cupich, Archbishop of Chicago

Overview

This episode explores the intersection of immigration enforcement and the Catholic Church’s stance, focusing on reactions in Chicago during "Operation Midway Blitz," an aggressive Trump administration immigration crackdown. Scott Detrow interviews Cardinal Blaise Cupich to unpack the Church’s advocacy, moral perspectives, and direct challenges with ICE, including pastoral access to detainees. The conversation delves into faith, law, policy, and community, revealing how religious leadership is confronting a divisive national issue.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Grassroots Resistance to ICE Operations

• Community Patrols:
  Gabe Gonzalez, co-founder of Protect Rogers Park, describes locals in Chicago patrolling neighborhoods to monitor ICE activity and warn residents ([00:28]).
• Spreading Tactics Nationwide:
  Protect Rogers Park is teaching other cities strategies for resisting aggressive immigration enforcement ([00:38]).
• Quote:
  “They've radicalized a set of people. Through their own actions, and that'll be a generation before that goes away.”
  — Gabe Gonzalez ([00:51])

2. Catholic Church’s Moral Response

• Statement from Catholic Leadership:
  The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops collectively denounced "dehumanizing rhetoric and violence" in immigration debates ([01:23]).
• Papal Guidance:
  Pope Leo calls for humane treatment and justice for those in the U.S. illegally, emphasizing systems and courts over summary enforcement ([01:41], [08:16]).
• Quote:
  “We have to look for ways of treating people humanely, treating people with the dignity that they have.”
  — Pope Leo ([01:41])

3. Cardinal Cupich on Immigration Enforcement

• Moral and Humanitarian Concerns:
  Cardinal Cupich asserts that while border security is a state's right, indiscriminate deportations violate human dignity, especially for those with deep community ties ([04:51]).

• Quote:
  “The indiscriminate mass deportation of people does violate that principle of human dignity being protected. And that is why we have spoken out.”
  — Cardinal Blaise Cupich ([04:51])

• Distinction in Enforcement:
  Cupich distinguishes between lawful removals and aggressive, trauma-inducing tactics or rhetoric ([05:22], [05:51]).

• Quote:
  “The way it's being carried on... people are just all of a sudden apprehended... separated from their families... in a very indiscriminate way.”
  — Cardinal Blaise Cupich ([05:51])

4. Pastoral Access to Detainees

• Denied Entry to Detention Facilities:
  Repeated efforts to bring the Eucharist and pastoral care to immigration detainees were blocked by authorities, a break from long-standing practices ([06:58]).
• Surprise at Authorities’ Stance:
  Cupich was surprised at the outright refusal to discuss options for pastoral care but notes recent progress in dialogue ([07:29], [07:55]).
• Papal Endorsement:
  Pope Leo publicly supports considering detainees’ spiritual rights ([08:16]).
• Quote:
  “There was no opportunity given to discuss how we could do this in a way that respects their obligations... The fact that it was an absolute no... was something that was altogether different.”
  — Cardinal Blaise Cupich ([07:29])

5. Influence of Pope Leo

• Strengthening U.S. Bishops:
  Pope Leo’s statements have provided a framework and encouragement for U.S. Catholic leaders to stand united on immigration ([08:46]).
• Quote:
  “He bucked us up a bit. But he also gave us a framework on how to discuss these issues.”
  — Cardinal Blaise Cupich ([08:46])

6. Internal Church Tensions

• Diverse Political Opinions:
  Many U.S. Catholics, including Trump voters, question the Church’s position. Cupich acknowledges these views but emphasizes principled enforcement and long-term context ([09:11], [09:30]).
• Practical Limitations and Calls for Reason:
  Cupich points out impracticalities of mass deportation and urges a reasoned, humane approach ([09:30]).
• Quote:
  “There's no way that all of those people are going to be deported. So how do we deal with this in a reasonable way?”
  — Cardinal Blaise Cupich ([09:30])

7. Advice for Bishops Facing Crackdowns

• Support Strategies:
  Cupich urges other bishops to provide legal resources, basic needs (food pantries), and advocacy for undocumented migrants ([10:33]).
• Empowering the Vulnerable:
  Ensuring migrants know they are supported and not alone is a key message ([10:33]).
• Quote:
  “How do we convey a sense of advocacy on their behalf, letting them know that they're not alone?”
  — Cardinal Blaise Cupich ([10:33])

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Gabe Gonzalez on grassroots resistance:
  “They've radicalized a set of people. Through their own actions...” ([00:51])
• Pope Leo’s call for dignity:
  “We have to look for ways of treating people humanely...” ([01:41])
• Cardinal Cupich on family separation:
  “Families are being torn apart, children are left in fear, and communities are shaken...” ([03:56])
• Cupich’s advice to church leaders:
  “Put together a program by which you can be of assistance to migrants...” ([10:33])

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Neighborhood Resistance & Protect Rogers Park: [00:24] – [00:59]
• Bishops’ Statement & Papal Message: [01:08] – [01:55]
• Introduction to Cardinal Cupich: [03:56] – [04:16]
• Cardinal Cupich on Church’s Stance: [04:33] – [05:22]
• Aggressive Enforcement and Due Process: [05:22] – [06:42]
• Pastoral Care Denied in Detention: [06:42] – [07:54]
• Pope Leo and Bishops’ Coordination: [08:10] – [08:46]
• Internal Catholic Debate: [09:11] – [09:30]
• Advice for Future Church Response: [10:18] – [11:26]

Conclusion

This episode provides a nuanced exploration of immigration enforcement from the Catholic Church’s perspective, focusing on moral, legal, and pastoral issues and highlighting the clash between grassroots resistance, government actions, and religious advocacy. Cardinal Cupich calls for compassion, due process, and advocacy, offering both critique and constructive advice for fellow church leaders as immigration crackdowns continue across the U.S.