Chicago's Archbishop weighs in on immigration enforcement

Summary

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Episode: Chicago's Archbishop Weighs In on Immigration Enforcement
Date: December 10, 2025
Host: Scott Detrow
Guest: Cardinal Blaise Cupich, Archbishop of Chicago

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Overview

This episode explores the intersection of immigration enforcement and the Catholic Church’s stance, focusing on reactions in Chicago during "Operation Midway Blitz," an aggressive Trump administration immigration crackdown. Scott Detrow interviews Cardinal Blaise Cupich to unpack the Church’s advocacy, moral perspectives, and direct challenges with ICE, including pastoral access to detainees. The conversation delves into faith, law, policy, and community, revealing how religious leadership is confronting a divisive national issue.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Grassroots Resistance to ICE Operations

• Community Patrols:
  Gabe Gonzalez, co-founder of Protect Rogers Park, describes locals in Chicago patrolling neighborhoods to monitor ICE activity and warn residents ([00:28]).
• Spreading Tactics Nationwide:
  Protect Rogers Park is teaching other cities strategies for resisting aggressive immigration enforcement ([00:38]).
• Quote:
  “They've radicalized a set of people. Through their own actions, and that'll be a generation before that goes away.”
  — Gabe Gonzalez ([00:51])

2. Catholic Church’s Moral Response

• Statement from Catholic Leadership:
  The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops collectively denounced "dehumanizing rhetoric and violence" in immigration debates ([01:23]).
• Papal Guidance:
  Pope Leo calls for humane treatment and justice for those in the U.S. illegally, emphasizing systems and courts over summary enforcement ([01:41], [08:16]).
• Quote:
  “We have to look for ways of treating people humanely, treating people with the dignity that they have.”
  — Pope Leo ([01:41])

3. Cardinal Cupich on Immigration Enforcement

• Moral and Humanitarian Concerns:
  Cardinal Cupich asserts that while border security is a state's right, indiscriminate deportations violate human dignity, especially for those with deep community ties ([04:51]).

• Quote:
  “The indiscriminate mass deportation of people does violate that principle of human dignity being protected. And that is why we have spoken out.”
  — Cardinal Blaise Cupich ([04:51])

• Distinction in Enforcement:
  Cupich distinguishes between lawful removals and aggressive, trauma-inducing tactics or rhetoric ([05:22], [05:51]).

• Quote:
  “The way it's being carried on... people are just all of a sudden apprehended... separated from their families... in a very indiscriminate way.”
  — Cardinal Blaise Cupich ([05:51])

4. Pastoral Access to Detainees

• Denied Entry to Detention Facilities:
  Repeated efforts to bring the Eucharist and pastoral care to immigration detainees were blocked by authorities, a break from long-standing practices ([06:58]).
• Surprise at Authorities’ Stance:
  Cupich was surprised at the outright refusal to discuss options for pastoral care but notes recent progress in dialogue ([07:29], [07:55]).
• Papal Endorsement:
  Pope Leo publicly supports considering detainees’ spiritual rights ([08:16]).
• Quote:
  “There was no opportunity given to discuss how we could do this in a way that respects their obligations... The fact that it was an absolute no... was something that was altogether different.”
  — Cardinal Blaise Cupich ([07:29])

5. Influence of Pope Leo

• Strengthening U.S. Bishops:
  Pope Leo’s statements have provided a framework and encouragement for U.S. Catholic leaders to stand united on immigration ([08:46]).
• Quote:
  “He bucked us up a bit. But he also gave us a framework on how to discuss these issues.”
  — Cardinal Blaise Cupich ([08:46])

6. Internal Church Tensions

• Diverse Political Opinions:
  Many U.S. Catholics, including Trump voters, question the Church’s position. Cupich acknowledges these views but emphasizes principled enforcement and long-term context ([09:11], [09:30]).
• Practical Limitations and Calls for Reason:
  Cupich points out impracticalities of mass deportation and urges a reasoned, humane approach ([09:30]).
• Quote:
  “There's no way that all of those people are going to be deported. So how do we deal with this in a reasonable way?”
  — Cardinal Blaise Cupich ([09:30])

7. Advice for Bishops Facing Crackdowns

• Support Strategies:
  Cupich urges other bishops to provide legal resources, basic needs (food pantries), and advocacy for undocumented migrants ([10:33]).
• Empowering the Vulnerable:
  Ensuring migrants know they are supported and not alone is a key message ([10:33]).
• Quote:
  “How do we convey a sense of advocacy on their behalf, letting them know that they're not alone?”
  — Cardinal Blaise Cupich ([10:33])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Gabe Gonzalez on grassroots resistance:
  “They've radicalized a set of people. Through their own actions...” ([00:51])
• Pope Leo’s call for dignity:
  “We have to look for ways of treating people humanely...” ([01:41])
• Cardinal Cupich on family separation:
  “Families are being torn apart, children are left in fear, and communities are shaken...” ([03:56])
• Cupich’s advice to church leaders:
  “Put together a program by which you can be of assistance to migrants...” ([10:33])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Neighborhood Resistance & Protect Rogers Park: [00:24] – [00:59]
• Bishops’ Statement & Papal Message: [01:08] – [01:55]
• Introduction to Cardinal Cupich: [03:56] – [04:16]
• Cardinal Cupich on Church’s Stance: [04:33] – [05:22]
• Aggressive Enforcement and Due Process: [05:22] – [06:42]
• Pastoral Care Denied in Detention: [06:42] – [07:54]
• Pope Leo and Bishops’ Coordination: [08:10] – [08:46]
• Internal Catholic Debate: [09:11] – [09:30]
• Advice for Future Church Response: [10:18] – [11:26]

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Conclusion

This episode provides a nuanced exploration of immigration enforcement from the Catholic Church’s perspective, focusing on moral, legal, and pastoral issues and highlighting the clash between grassroots resistance, government actions, and religious advocacy. Cardinal Cupich calls for compassion, due process, and advocacy, offering both critique and constructive advice for fellow church leaders as immigration crackdowns continue across the U.S.

Transcript

[Scott Detrow]

One of the images that is defined this past year is that of a masked man on a city street wearing mirrored sunglasses and dressed in camouflage. That is how federal ICE and Border Patrol agents showed up in cities across the country, cities like Charlotte, Los Angeles, and Chicago. These agents have been met with all kinds of resistance from residents trying to protect people in their communities.

[Gabe Gonzalez]

So we have people almost always patrolling the neighborhood.

[Scott Detrow]

That's Gabe Gonzalez in Chicago. He is the co founder of a grassroots resistance organization called Protect Rogers Park. This fall, when the city was facing an aggressive immigration crackdown, the group tried to make it harder for federal agents to do their jobs by patrolling neighborhoods, monitoring the activity of ICE agents, and spreading word to residents. Now they are teaching people in other cities how to do the same.

[Gabe Gonzalez]

They've radicalized a set of people.

Through their own actions, and that'll be a generation before that goes away.

[Scott Detrow]

Resistance to the Trump administration's immigration enforcement efforts has come from all sorts of places, including the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops.

[Pope Leo]

We are disturbed when we see among our people a climate of fear and anxiety around questions of profiling and immigration enforcement. We are saddened by the state of.

[Cardinal Blaise Cupich]

Contemporary debate and the vilification of immigrants.

[Scott Detrow]

This is from a recent video featuring Catholic bishops from across the country, part of a rare collective message calling for the, quote, end to dehumanizing rhetoric and violence. That sentiment goes all the way to the very top of the church. Here's Pope Leo speaking to reporters last month.

[Pope Leo]

We have to look for ways of treating people humanely, treating people with the dignity that they have. If people are in the United States illegally, there are ways to treat that. There are courts. There's a system of justice.

[Scott Detrow]

Consider this. The Catholic Church is wading into a deeply partisan issue. Coming up, we will talk to the Archbishop of Chicago about why that is.

From NPR, I'm Scott Detrow.

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[Scott Detrow]

It's consider this from npr. This fall, the Trump administration launched Operation Midway Blitz, an aggressive immigration crackdown campaign in Chicago. It was met with outcry from communities across the city.

[Cardinal Blaise Cupich]

Families are being torn apart, children are left in fear, and communities are shaken by immigration raids and detentions. These actions wound the soul of our city. Let me be clear. The church stands with migrants.

[Scott Detrow]

That is Cardinal Blaise Cupich, the Archbishop of Chicago. As 2025 comes to an end and immigration enforcement operations continue elsewhere in the country, we wanted to get a sense of where he and the U.S. catholic Church stand on immigration in this moment. Cardinal Cupich, thanks for talking to us.

[Cardinal Blaise Cupich]

Thank you, Scott.

[Scott Detrow]

You have really spoken clearly about the administration's immigration policies, denouncing many aspects of them and the way they've been carried out in Chicago and elsewhere. What's also notable to me is how outspoken the US Bishops conference as a whole has been. Why is that?

[Cardinal Blaise Cupich]

First of all, it's important to keep in mind that we said in our statement that every state has an obligation and a right to secure its borders, but it should be done in such a way, especially when you take into consideration that people have been here for generations in a way that respects their humanity. We have found that the indiscriminate mass deportation of people does violate that principle of human dignity being protected. And that is why we have spoken out.

[Scott Detrow]

Can you talk more about that? Because I've had this conversation with other cardinals as well, that that somebody can be in the country illegally and there can be a removal process and they could be removed from the United States following the law, and that there is a way that this has gone about in terms of an aggressive tactic, cruel social media and other, you know, mess messaging about it. And that to you and others, there is a clear difference. The way that's being carried out matters to you. Why? Why is that?

[Cardinal Blaise Cupich]

Well, the way it's being carried on in two perspectives. The first one in terms of the way that people are just all of a sudden apprehended and they're. They're separated from their families and their children at a moment's notice in a very indiscriminate way. But the other aspect of the way they're doing it is due to the broken immigration system we have. People have been here for decades and they've held down jobs, they've started businesses, they've employed people, they paid taxes, and now all of a sudden, there's an effort to have them removed without any due process or taking into consideration the fact that they're here due to the fact that the elected officials didn't do their job and fix a broken immigration system. So we think there has to be significant changes in the immigration system that we have in this country.

[Scott Detrow]

I want to talk specifically with you about one tension point between the Church and ICE that happened this year. There were several attempts by priests and other Catholics to bring the Eucharist to a detention facility. They were repeatedly denied entry. Why was that important for people to try to do, in your mind?

[Cardinal Blaise Cupich]

Well, it wasn't just to bring the Eucharist. It was to offer pastoral care to people, because we felt as though that's part of our ministry, too, to visit those who are imprisoned, those who are detained. And we just knew that there were people who had a need for pastoral attention that we have done in countless ways with people who are in different incarcerations and prisons.

[Scott Detrow]

Were you surprised that they were denied entry?

[Cardinal Blaise Cupich]

Yes, I was. I was surprised that there was no opportunity given to discuss how we could do this in a way that respects their obligations in terms of law enforcement, which we've always had. The fact that it was an absolute no and wouldn't even talk to us was something that was altogether different. I think there has been some movement on that, and I'm pleased about that.

[Scott Detrow]

Movement in what way?

[Cardinal Blaise Cupich]

We have had discussions looking for a way in which we can begin a discussion with those who are responsible for these detainees. And at least now we're beginning to have some conversations with them which was lacking before.

[Scott Detrow]

I want to shift gears a little bit because that particular issue is something that Pope Leo spoke out on.

[Pope Leo]

The spiritual rights of people who have been detained should also be considered, and I would certainly invite the authorities to allow pastoral workers to attend to the needs of those people.

[Scott Detrow]

And Cardinal, I was curious how you thought about this, how the support and the statements of an American pope, a Chicago native, have changed or affected the way that you and other church leaders in the US have approached the immigration issue.

[Cardinal Blaise Cupich]

Well, I think that what the Holy Father has said on a number of occasions with regard to this issue helped the bishops when they came together in Baltimore to really frame the issues that resulted in the statement that we issued. He covered a lot of bases and all of those points were really integrated and represented in our statement. So I think he bucked us up a bit. But he also gave us a framework on how to discuss these issues.

[Scott Detrow]

Cardinal, Political time right now. You know that people who voice their opinion are criticized. The majority of US Catholics did vote for President Trump, according to Pew. And I'm wondering, have you had conversations with Catholics in and around Chicago this year who have said, you know what, Cardinal, you're wrong, the laws are the laws and they need to be enforced.

[Cardinal Blaise Cupich]

There are people who have expressed that, and we always start with the understanding that, of course, laws have to be respected and the government has a right and a duty to secure its borders. However, my point would be that the enforcement law has been episodic and irregular. And so now all of a sudden to come in with altogether different way in which it's going to be approached. Ignoring the fact that there's been a past by which people have been here for decades doesn't seem to be not only the moral thing to do, but a smart way to do it, given the fact that we have 11 million people here and there's no way that all of those people are going to be deported. So how do we deal with this in a reasonable way? That would be my point, as I would address that issue with Catholics.

[Scott Detrow]

It's very clear that ICE and Border Patrol agents are going to continue targeting different cities going forward. I'm wondering what you have learned this year and what your advice would be for a fellow bishop in a city that finds it under this microscope in 2026.

[Cardinal Blaise Cupich]

I would say first of all, put together a program by which you can be of assistance to migrants, to immigrants who are here who don't have documents, to put together a set of resources, legal resources, by which, in fact, they can have their due process rights respected, then also set up a means by which they can be supported in terms of their own physical needs by food pantries and other ways in which they would need assistance that way. And then secondly, being an advocate, having, as I try to do in the statement that you played earlier. I think we have to have a very strong voice to encourage them that they're not alone in this moment. And that is something the bishops wanted to convey in the statement that they had. How do we convey a sense of advocacy on their behalf, letting them know that they're not alone?

[Scott Detrow]

That's Cardinal Blaise Cupich, the archbishop of Chicago. Thank you so much for talking to us.

[Cardinal Blaise Cupich]

Cardinal thanks, Scott. Good to be with you.

[Scott Detrow]

This episode was produced by Kathryn Fink, featuring reporting from NPR domestic extremism correspondent Odette Youssef. It was edited by Courtney Dorning and Patrick Jaron Watananan. Our executive producer is Sami Yenigunan.

It's Consider this from npr. I'm Scott Detrow.

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