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We've had an entire community swept away. I can't even think of all the people that I know that have died. That's Louise Vincent talking to NPR addiction correspondent Brian Mann. A few years ago, as fentanyl deaths in the US Were soaring. I mean, so many people are dead. My daughter died. Our mentors are dead. I can barely stand to be be here sometimes because of all the trauma and all the people that we've lost. Vincent, who says that she has used fentanyl and heroin since she was 13, runs what's called a drug users union. That's a group that seeks to treat drug users with dignity by giving them a place where they can get a meal, a cup of coffee, even treatment. She was speaking to man about harm reduction for drug users. Vincent is one of the hundreds of thousands of Americans who have been affected by the nation's opioid crisis, a crisis that has reached almost every corner of the country, including the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma. That's where Brian Mann met Gary and Cassie Walker on their family farm a couple years ago. They've taken in nine Cherokee kids whose parents had been affected by drugs. All of the children we have adopted or fostered has been because of that, being in foster care and going to court cases. And sometimes I would sit there for four to five or six hours, and I would not only watch one court case, but I would watch 30, 30 or 40 at the same time. And it really hit me then just how big the problem was. Among the kids they have cared for are a brother and sister, Ransom, who's 6, and Mazzy, who's 9 and not the least bit shy. So I heard you live in New York. I do. I live in New York. She tells me she really wants to see New York. And her dad, Gary, speaks up. Tell him why you want to go there. Mazzy has. There's an American Girl doll store. The Walkers began raising Mazzy and Ransom after their parents got caught up with pain pills and fentanyl. We always remind them that God gave them to us very special, and that their parents were sick and so we were able to raise them. There is mothers out there that did lose their child, and I was able to become their mother. So it's just a lot of emotions. Both Vincent and the Walkers spoke to mann Back in 2023, the same year that drug deaths in the US reached their peak at 114,000, many of which were caused by fentanyl. Data now shows that overall drug deaths in the US Are down nearly a quarter, and that includes fentanyl and other illicit drugs. Consider this drug deaths in the United States are falling, but that good news comes with challenges, including caring for a larger population of people who may be surviving but who are deeply unwell. From npr, I'm Elsa Cheng. This message comes from NPR sponsor Saatva. Founder and CEO Ron Rudson shares the story of how he got started creating Satva in 2007 2008, I went out and I bought the most popular luxury mattresses. I taught them apart and I realized based on the raw materials, cost and the analysis that I had done that I was able to sell that level mattress but with a very affordable price. To learn more, go to saatva.com NPR this message comes from Carvana. Discover your car's worth with Carvana Value Tracker. Stay up to date when your car's value changes. Always know your car's worth with Carvana Value Tracker. It's consider this from npr. The deadliest phase of the US Fentanyl crisis appears to be over. That's according to new research showing that fatal overdoses from fentanyl and other street drugs continue to plunge and have now dropped from their peak in all 50 states. NPR addiction correspondent Brian Mann dug into the numbers and what that drop could mean going forward. When Nebarin Dasgupta's team at the University of North Carolina finished their new analysis of drug death data, they found a positive trend that seemed inconceivable a year ago. We are on track to return to levels of overdose before fentanyl emerged. Drug deaths tracked nationwide by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have already plunged 24% from peak levels. Every state has now seen improvement, with many states improving by 30, 40, even 50%. Dasgupta says the number of lives being saved left him stunned. It has been a complete shock, the numbers declining in the way that they have been. I thought it's even hard to talk about because it's after all this time looking at overdose deaths, this is what we have been hoping for. Data is one thing. Reality on the street can feel very different. This is Kensington, long known as one of the country's most drug plagued neighborhoods. In Philadelphia, on a warm afternoon, Elena and Vadim lean against a fence smoking a mix of fentanyl and xylazin. NPR agreed not to use last names because their drug use is illegal. I ask how this national shift feels here and Elena says she's noticed the change. Yeah, I can tell the numbers drop. A lot more. People also started smoking instead of shooting. I think that made a difference. Smoking Fentanyl and xylazine is still incredibly risky, but it's considered safer than using needles. Vadim says many people who use fentanyl are also taking smaller doses. When fentanyl just came out, they're used to shooting heroin in the same amounts. So that's why they were dying, because you need a lot less. They say there are more public health services here on the street, and people routinely carry Naloxone or Narcan to reverse fentanyl overdoses. All this has contributed to nearly 2,000 fewer deaths a year in PATH Pennsylvania alone, compared with the peak. Dr. Nora Volkov, who heads the US government's National Institute on Drug Abuse, says she believes the US As a whole has reached a turning point. It's very, very exciting to see it, that it's dramatically decreasing. While overall drug Deaths are down 24%, Volkoff says deaths linked specifically to fentanyl are dropping even faster, down more than 30%. If that trend holds, the US could soon return to levels not seen since 2016 when fentanyl hit. It would be exciting if one returns to those values, because fentanyl just turn us all upside down. Volkhov and Desgupta also agree this shift appears to be long term and sustainable. Desgupta's deep dive into CDC records found nearly half the states actually saw recoveries beginning much earlier than once understood, with fatal overdoses peaking back in 2021 and 2022, then beginning a steady decline. This is a clear public health improvement, no matter how you measure it. It's been sustained in some states for years. The result nationally is roughly 25,000 fewer drug deaths every year. But as Gupta and other addiction experts say, this isn't a time to declare victory. They describe these improvements more as a crucial first step, meaning less death, but also a lot more people surviving with severe addiction and chronic illness needing help. Dr. Ben Cocciaro treats addiction patients here in Kensing. It does seem to be less lethal, not less dangerous. Right, because we're seeing plenty of other problems that come from it. Xylazine has really bad skin wounds. Medetomidine has just a terrible withdrawal syndrome. Desgupta says the trend creates a new challenge. Initially, it's been kind of this panic mode of preventing deaths. But now that we have found some effective ways to keep people alive, it's really important to try to reach out to them and help them improve their whole lives. That's a tall order. The distance from where the US Is now in places like Kensington to that kind of public health response feels vast. On A late winter morning, Kayleigh McGloid, with Philadelphia's overdose Response unit, sets off on foot across Kensington. She bends to check on a man huddled and unresponsive. He's not dead, but he's not okay. The complicated reality is that more people surviving fentanyl overdoses will mean more people needing a whole network of care. When we say, you know, this person is ready to go to substance use treatment, oh, but they have an amputation, they have an open wound, they have incredibly high blood pressure. You know, historically, our system is not built for that person. A few blocks down the street, I meet Tracy Horvath, who says she's lived in Kensington most of her life, much of that time using fentanyl. I relapsed like a week ago, but I'm trying to stay clean. She looks weary and cold, but she is one of the survivors. Horvath, too, says fentanyl might have killed her if Narcan weren't so widely available. I only used a little bit, and I still overdose. I ask what she'd need to move beyond this life, beyond addiction. Horvath says her first goal is a safe place to live. Stable housing. Addiction care experts say getting people off the street into homes is often a crucial step. But there are so many needs here, it can feel overwhelming. Kayla McGloid says there has been progress building a network of services and support that didn't exist a decade ago. There's one of our partners, the Kensington Hospital wound care van. We pass a mobile healthcare team and a food pantry. There's a special police unit trained in addiction response and a group from a university dispensing buprenorphine, a medication that reduces fentanyl cravings. I meet Scout Gilson, working at a syringe exchange run by a group called Prevention Point. I was addicted to heroin and then eventually fentanyl. Gilson, who's in long term recovery, says she knows firsthand how complicated the health impacts of drug use can be. From mental health challenges to. To lingering skin wounds. I'm covered in scars, like I am heavily scarred. I am pretty much marked forever as a drug user. But Gilson thinks deeper healing that moves people beyond survival is possible with the right help. It's not just pointless suffering. There's things that are happening. There's people doing the work, and there's obvious ways we can improve and just figuring out how to do that. In my time in Philadelphia, I see examples of this hopeful work, and I meet people like Gilson who've managed to rebuild their lives. But the need is clearly growing here in Kensington and around the US One question is whether there will be money to pay for these services. So far, the Trump administration has focused largely on keeping fentanyl out of the US not on programs that help people recover. Some Republicans in Congress are still talking about budget cuts that could affect Medicaid. That's the federal program that funds most addiction treatment in the U.S. i asked Kayla McLeod with Philadelphia's Overdose Response Unit if she's hopeful despite all the desperate need and the uncertainty. After a moment, she nods a cautious yes. And so we just, you know, work our best to help people be well and keep trying. But it took years to slow fentanyl deaths in the U.S. mcGloid says healing people in neighborhoods like Kensington will take more resources and a lot more time. That was NPR's Brian Mann in Philadelphia. This episode was produced by Taylor Haney, Brianna Scott, and Connor Donovan, with audio engineering by Arthur Laurent. It was edited by Courtney Dorning and Andrea De Leon. Our executive producer is Sammy Yenigun. It's Consider this from npr. I'm Ailsa Chang on Throughline from npr. The consequences for the country would have been enormous. It would have been a crisis. The man who saw a dangerous omission in the US Constitution and took it upon himself to fix it. Find NPR's Throughline wherever you get your podcast. This month, Shortwave is featuring a science and dog collab for the ages. 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Summary of NPR's "Consider This" Episode: "Fentanyl Deaths Are Plunging, But It's Just the First Step"
Release Date: March 11, 2025
In this episode of NPR's "Consider This," host Brian Mann delves into the significant decline in fentanyl-related deaths across the United States. While the news signals a hopeful shift in the nation's long-standing opioid crisis, the episode emphasizes that this reduction is merely the initial phase in addressing the complex aftermath of widespread addiction.
The episode opens with heartfelt narratives that underscore the human toll of the opioid epidemic.
Louise Vincent's Story [00:01]: Louise Vincent shares her profound grief, stating, “We’ve had an entire community swept away. I can’t even think of all the people that I know that have died” (00:01). Vincent, who has battled addiction since age 13, runs a drug users union dedicated to treating individuals with dignity by providing essential services like meals, coffee, and treatment.
The Walker Family's Commitment: Brian Mann recounts his visit to Gary and Cassie Walker on their Cherokee Nation family farm in Oklahoma. The Walkers have taken in nine Cherokee children affected by parental drug use. Cassie Walker reflects, “We always remind them that God gave them to us very special, and that their parents were sick and so we were able to raise them” (Transcript Excerpt). This commitment highlights the community-driven efforts to support those impacted by addiction.
New research from the University of North Carolina's team led by Nebarin Dasgupta reveals a substantial decrease in drug-related fatalities.
Significant Reduction: The study found a 24% nationwide decline in drug deaths from their peak in 2023, with fentanyl-related fatalities dropping by over 30% (Transcript Excerpt). Dasgupta expresses his astonishment: “It has been a complete shock, the numbers declining in the way that they have been” (Transcript Excerpt).
State-Level Improvements: Every state has witnessed improvements, with many experiencing decreases between 30% to 50%. Nearly half of the states began seeing recoveries as early as 2021 and 2022, indicating a sustained positive trend.
Dr. Nora Volkow of the National Institute on Drug Abuse adds, “It's very, very exciting to see it, that it's dramatically decreasing” (Transcript Excerpt), underscoring the national significance of these positive trends.
Despite the encouraging statistics, the episode paints a complex picture of life in Kensington, one of the nation's most drug-affected neighborhoods.
Changing Usage Patterns: Long-time residents Elena and Vadim discuss shifts in drug use behaviors: “People also started smoking instead of shooting. I think that made a difference” (Transcript Excerpt). Vadim adds, “Many people who use fentanyl are also taking smaller doses... So that's why they were dying, because you need a lot less” (Transcript Excerpt).
Community Services: Enhanced public health services, including widespread availability of Naloxone (Narcan) to reverse overdoses, have contributed to the reduction of fatalities. In Pennsylvania alone, nearly 2,000 fewer deaths annually have been reported compared to the peak.
Experts highlight that while fewer deaths are a positive development, the broader implications of the opioid crisis require ongoing attention.
Sustained Efforts: Dr. Ben Cocciaro emphasizes, “It does seem to be less lethal, not less dangerous. Right, because we’re seeing plenty of other problems that come from it” (Transcript Excerpt). Issues like skin wounds from xylazine use and severe withdrawal symptoms persist.
Long-Term Solutions: Nebarin Dasgupta points out the need for comprehensive care: “It’s really important to try to reach out to them and help them improve their whole lives” (Transcript Excerpt). This involves addressing not only addiction but also associated health complications and social needs.
Policy and Funding Concerns: The episode underscores potential threats to funding for essential services. With some Republicans advocating for Medicaid budget cuts, there is uncertainty about the availability of resources necessary for sustained recovery efforts.
The episode highlights the grassroots and institutional efforts underway to support those recovering from addiction.
Overdose Response Unit: Kayleigh McGloid of Philadelphia’s Overdose Response Unit shares her cautious optimism: “We just, you know, work our best to help people be well and keep trying” (Transcript Excerpt).
Community Support Services: Initiatives like mobile healthcare teams, wound care vans, food pantries, and specialized police units trained in addiction response are pivotal. Additionally, organizations like Prevention Point run syringe exchange programs to reduce harm and facilitate access to recovery resources.
Personal Recovery Stories: Tracy Horvath, a local resident in recovery, emphasizes the importance of accessible treatment: “I relapsed like a week ago, but I’m trying to stay clean” (Transcript Excerpt). Scout Gilson, a former addict now working at a syringe exchange, advocates for deeper healing: “It’s not just pointless suffering. There’s people doing the work, and there are obvious ways we can improve” (Transcript Excerpt).
While the decline in fentanyl-related deaths marks a significant achievement, the episode stresses the need for continued and expanded support systems.
Comprehensive Care: More individuals surviving overdoses now require extensive medical and psychological support to address chronic illnesses and severe addictions. Kayleigh McGloid notes, “Healing people in neighborhoods like Kensington will take more resources and a lot more time” (Transcript Excerpt).
Sustainable Funding: Securing adequate funding for addiction treatment programs remains a critical challenge. The potential for Medicaid cuts poses a risk to the progress made thus far.
Holistic Recovery: Experts advocate for a holistic approach to recovery, encompassing stable housing, mental health services, and long-term addiction care to ensure that surviving individuals can rebuild their lives beyond mere survival.
NPR's "Consider This" episode conveys a nuanced perspective on the opioid crisis. While the reduction in fentanyl deaths offers a glimmer of hope, it also highlights the enduring struggles and the imperative for comprehensive, sustained efforts to support those affected. The episode calls for a balanced celebration of the progress made with a steadfast commitment to addressing the ongoing challenges within communities like Kensington.
Production Credits: Produced by Taylor Haney, Brianna Scott, and Connor Donovan. Audio engineering by Arthur Laurent. Edited by Courtney Dorning and Andrea De Leon. Executive Producer: Sammy Yenigun.
This summary is based on the transcript provided and adheres to NPR's "Consider This" podcast guidelines. All quotes have been attributed to their respective speakers with approximate timestamps as indicated in the transcript.