Florida: the frontline of Trump's immigration crackdown

Summary

Florida: The Frontline of Trump's Immigration Crackdown

“Florida to me is like this sort of laboratory for immigration policy. It's kind of ground zero for immigration enforcement.” – Jasmine Garsd [01:43]

Introduction

In the July 19, 2025 episode of "Consider This" by NPR, host Scott Detrow delves into the intensifying immigration crackdown spearheaded by the Trump administration, with a particular focus on Florida. The episode examines the multifaceted impacts of aggressive immigration enforcement, community responses, and the broader national implications.

Escalation of Immigration Enforcement

Since President Trump returned to office, there has been a marked increase in government-led efforts to curb illegal immigration, fulfilling one of his longstanding campaign promises. Detrow highlights the administration's objective to achieve what Trump has termed “the biggest mass deportation in U.S. history” [00:00]. Immigration raids have surged across the United States, including major cities like Los Angeles, New York City, and Puerto Rico, resulting in the apprehension of tens of thousands of individuals. This surge has led to severe overcrowding and shortages of essential supplies in detention centers.

Impact on Communities

NPR correspondent Jasmine Garsd provides an in-depth analysis of how these enforcement measures are affecting immigrant communities. She observes a “really big push to detain, detain, detain”, but notes that the rate of deportations is lagging behind the number of arrests [00:44]. Garsd emphasizes the particular strain on families, especially children who are American citizens, now forced to become heads of households due to the absence of their parents.

Florida as a Testbed for National Policy

Florida serves as a critical case study in understanding the future trajectory of immigration enforcement under the Trump administration. Garsd refers to Florida as “ground zero for immigration enforcement” and suggests that policies and practices implemented there are likely to be replicated nationwide [01:43]. The state's history with immigration over the past six decades makes it an ideal location for observing the effects of intensified enforcement tactics.

Personal Stories: The Case of Pastor Maurilio Ambrosio

One poignant story highlighted in the episode is that of Maurilio Ambrosio, an undocumented pastor who was detained for months despite having no criminal record. Garsd explains that Ambrosio had maintained a “stay of removal”, regularly checking in with immigration officials for 13 years without incident [04:48]. His sudden detention and subsequent deportation devastated his family, leaving his American citizen children to fend for themselves [05:30].

Detention Conditions and Overcrowding

The episode sheds light on the dire conditions within detention centers, particularly the newly opened Alligator Alcatraz in Florida. Reports from lawyers and families indicate severe overcrowding, lack of access to clean water, and inadequate food supplies. Garsd recounts instances where detainees went without meals due to shortages or spoiled food, illustrating the inhumane conditions prevalent in these facilities [09:33 – 10:35].

Public Opinion and Shifting Attitudes

Contrary to the administration's rhetoric that portrays immigrants as criminals, data indicates that approximately 72% of the 60,000 migrants in detention have no criminal convictions [06:25]. Despite the Trump administration's claims of targeting the “worst of the worst”, NPR's analysis suggests a significant discrepancy between rhetoric and reality.

Furthermore, public sentiment appears to be shifting. While some individuals who initially supported Trump’s immigration policies still advocate for strict enforcement, a growing number express opposition. Garsd references a Gallup poll showing that 79% of U.S. adults view immigration positively, and 62% disapprove of the current administration's handling of immigration [08:19]. This shift is particularly evident among communities directly affected by the crackdown, where fear and uncertainty are prompting questions about staying in the country versus self-deportation [11:14].

Emotional and Social Toll

The relentless crackdown has fostered a climate of fear and paralysis within immigrant communities. Garsd notes that many individuals, including those who previously believed they were insulated from enforcement actions, now fear for their safety and question whether they should remain in the U.S. [12:07]. This pervasive anxiety underscores the broader societal impacts of aggressive immigration policies beyond just the numbers of those detained or deported.

Conclusion

The episode of "Consider This" provides a comprehensive examination of the Trump administration's immigration policies, with Florida serving as a microcosm of national trends. Through personal stories, statistical analysis, and firsthand reporting, NPR highlights the complex and often detrimental effects of intensified immigration enforcement on communities, families, and the broader societal fabric.

“I didn't quite vote for [Trump]. I do support the deportation of criminals, but I don't support this.” – Greg Johns, Neighbor of detained Pastor Maurilio Ambrosio [08:19]

Production Credits

This episode was produced by Kyra Joachim, edited by Adam Rainey and Eric Westervelt, with executive production by Sami Yenigun.

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Transcript

[Scott Detrow]

Since he returned to the White House, President Trump has ramped up government efforts to make good on one of his signature campaign promises, a nationwide crackdown on illegal immigration to start what he calls, quote, the biggest mass deportation in U.S. history. By the time the sun sets tomorrow evening, the invasion of our borders will have come to a halt and all the illegal border trespassers will, in some form or another, be on their way back home. Immigration raids are up all across the country in places like Los Angeles, New York City, and even Puerto Rico. Tens of thousands of people have been apprehended, resulting in overcrowding as well as shortages in medicine and food at various detention centers.

[Jasmine Garsd]

What we're seeing is this really big push to detain, detain, detain, and the number of deportations can't keep up.

[Scott Detrow]

That's NPR correspondent Jasmine Garsd. She's been reporting on immigrants and communities most impacted by these raids. And she's also been speaking with people in held in those detention centers who were experiencing that overcrowding. After record numbers of arrests by ice, the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency. Garris says one trend that she has been keeping a close eye on is children who have been separated from their parents.

[Jasmine Garsd]

So many of them are American citizens. I'm encountering a whole generation of young Americans who are suddenly having to not just fend for themselves, but become heads of households because mom or dad or both is gone.

[Scott Detrow]

When we spoke, she was about to return to Florida for another reporting trip. It is a state Gars has returned to repeatedly over the past few months. She says it's the key to understanding what the future of immigration enforcement may look like.

[Jasmine Garsd]

Florida to me is like this sort of laboratory for immigration policy. It's kind of ground zero for immigration enforcement. In my experience, what happens in Florida is going to happen nationwide later on in the Trump administration. And that's why I keep going back.

[Scott Detrow]

Consider this. Florida is a state that has been defined by immigration over the past 60 years. Now people there are getting a firsthand look at the Trump administration's most aggressive immigration enforcement tactics from npr. Scott. I'm Scott Detrow. This message comes from Capital One with the Capital One Saver card. Earn unlimited 3% cash back on dining and entertainment. Capital One what's in your wallet? Terms apply [e-mail] this message comes from Carvana. Why spend time wondering what your car is worth? Instantly track its value on Carvana Value Tracker, answer a few quick questions and stay up to speed on your car's value. Track your car's [e-mail] hi, it's Catherine.

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[Scott Detrow]

It's Consider this from NPR NPR correspondent Jasmine Garst has taken several reporting trips to Florida recently. It's a state seeing some of the most aggressive immigration enforcement since President Trump took office. I spoke to her right before she was set to depart on another reporting trip to the state. And and I began by asking her what she's been hearing from immigrant communities.

[Jasmine Garsd]

There since the Trump administration took office. Florida has promised to position itself as spearheading the national immigration crackdown efforts. And you can really see that in recent actions, whether it's deputizing highway patrol for immigration enforcement or building the so called Alligator Alcatraz. And the result has been this total paralysis in many immigrant communities. I've spent time in one community right outside Tampa where everybody knows somebody who's been detained, and it's almost entirely men who've been detained while driving to work. And increasingly it's men who don't have criminal records. And so a lot of my time in Florida lately has been spent in communities where it's women and children who have been left behind as the men get detained.

[Scott Detrow]

One of the stories you reported on was was about a pastor who was undocumented and in detention for months. What can you tell us about that story?

[Jasmine Garsd]

A couple of months ago, I got a tip about a pastor who had no criminal record and who was sitting in a detention center in Florida for a couple of months. His name is Maurilio Ambrosio, and his story is really indicative of some trends that we're starting to see in immigration enforcement. He was in the US for 30 years. For the last 13, he's been doing a check with immigration. So Ambrosio had what is called a stay of removal, which means that you check in at least once a year with immigration officials. You let them know you have no criminal history, you have employment. And so he did that for 13 years. And on the 13th year, he got picked up. And this is, you know, these immigration check INS being arrested at them or at courts. That's something we're starting to see a lot of. We're starting to see an increase in immigrants without criminal records being detained. What really stood out about Ambrosio? It's the first time I kind of got this sense of a family that was essentially torn apart. And the family, which is all the kids, it's four or five kids. The children are American citizens. And suddenly the breadwinner, the head of household was gone. He's been deported since, by the way, he was deport a few weeks ago and he's gone. And what that has meant is that the children have had to really step up and become heads of household. And that's something I'm seeing increasingly often.

[Scott Detrow]

Jasmine, I just want to underscore something you said a moment ago because you are hearing President Trump and administration officials say pretty frequently we are focusing on the criminals and they use a lot of other terms for people with criminal records. This is an example you have reported out where somebody is not a criminal, has no criminal record, and like you said, had been checking the right boxes all along.

[Jasmine Garsd]

Yes. And it's increasingly common. I mean, there are about 60,000 migrants in immigration detention right now. NPR, our team, we crunched the numbers and it's about 72% of those 60,000 or so migrants have not been convicted of any crime, 72%. And you know, the Department of Homeland Security disputes that and has said no, the number of convicted criminals is far higher, but they haven't released the numbers to show it. So we are going by the numbers that we have of immigrants in detention as of July 7th. And we also found that from last month to this month, there's been an increase in people without criminal convictions who are being detained. And so like you said, there's this rhetoric of we're getting the worst of the worst and the most heinous criminals, but the numbers don't show that.

[Scott Detrow]

Jasmine, you and I talked within a week or so of the presidential election last fall. And it really stuck in my mind because the focus of that conversation was a lot of immigrants. You were talking to immigrant communities, people here in the country legally and illegally, who voted for Donald Trump or supported Donald Trump or were happy to see Donald Trump win the White House. Given all of this, I'm wondering how halfway through this first year in office, how people like that are feeling about this.

[Jasmine Garsd]

So I do get emails from listeners who say, I still support this. This is the right course of action. We need a campaign of mass deportations. I also am increasingly running into people who voted for Trump but who say I didn't quite vote for. In fact, in the case of the pastor of Pastor Maurillo Ambrosio, I spoke to his neighbors, most of his neighbors in his area voted for President Trump. And, you know, I spoke to one neighbor, his name is Greg Johns, and he told me, you know, I did vote for President Trump. I do support the deportation of criminals, but I don't support this. And it's not just anecdotal. There's a new Gallup poll that indicates that A record high 79% of U.S. adults say immigration is a good thing for the country, and 62% disapprove of how this administration is handling the issue of immigration.

[Scott Detrow]

I want to talk about something you briefly mentioned before. There has been so much attention on this massive detention center just opened in Florida. What can you tell us about it? What have you learned about it as you report on this?

[Jasmine Garsd]

So I have been hearing from sources, whether it's lawyers, whether it's families of people who are detained in Alligator, Alcatraz, as they call it, who have told me a couple of really disturbing things. First of all, conditions are just horrific. I mean, we're hearing about lack of water, overcrowding, and lawyers who have told me of extreme difficulty in reaching their clients. I had one lawyer who told me that he felt that his client had virtually disappeared into the system. I mean, I think it's important to also mention that there's overcrowding and similar conditions in immigration detention centers across the country. And that's something we've really been reporting a lot about for months. I've been hearing reports of, you know, widespread viral infections, lack of food. I've had many inmates call me and say, we didn't eat today.

[Scott Detrow]

Not at all.

[Jasmine Garsd]

No, because either the food went bad or, you know, there was a shortage, mostly that the food went bad and so that they didn't eat that day. I had one lawyer who told me about a client of his who was at the Chrome detention center and who for some time was eating a cup of white rice a day.

[Scott Detrow]

Jasmine, I want to take a step back because you've been talking about this, you know, kind of throughout all of all of the things you've been saying in this conversation, but what's the best way to think about it? What's the way that you've been seeing, big picture, how all of these changes, how all of these crackdowns, how all of this frightening rhetoric is just changing immigrant communities in the United States as.

[Jasmine Garsd]

Time passes and this crackdown continues, what I'm seeing is a sense of a lot of fear and paralysis across communities. And, you know, for example, we were talking about overcrowding in detention centers, right? And one of the groups that most called me to give me tips about the conditions was Cubans and Cuban Americans who, many of whom voted for this, but who once, you know, you engage in conversation said, well, I didn't think it was going to affect me. I thought they were coming for that other person. And I think, you know, that's kind of shifted now. And I think what I'm seeing is a sense of really intense fear. And yeah, I don't think I've ever I've covered immigration for a couple of years now, and I don't think I've ever heard so many people question, should I leave now? Should I self deport.

[Scott Detrow]

That was Jasmine Garth, who covers immigration for npr. This episode was produced by Kyra Joachim. It was edited by Adam Rainey and Eric Westervelt. Our executive producer is Sami Yenigun. It's Consider this from npr. I'm Scott Detrow.

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