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Episode: Gavin Newsom says the Democratic party “must fight fire with fire”
Air Date: February 24, 2026
Host: Ilsa Chang (NPR)
Guest: Governor Gavin Newsom

Episode Overview

This episode centers on a candid conversation with California Governor Gavin Newsom during his nationwide tour in support of Democrats ahead of the midterms. With his new memoir, Young Man in a Hurry, just released and speculation about his presidential ambitions mounting, Newsom discusses his approach to political engagement, his personal journey, bridging political divides, and the evolving strategy he thinks Democrats need to embrace—what he describes as “fighting fire with fire.”

Key Discussion Points & Insights

Newsom’s Nationwide Efforts and Political Strategy

• Grassroots Focus: Newsom has been traveling extensively, including stops in Trump-leaning counties in the South and internationally, to energize voters and support local Democratic candidates.
  • “County races matter. State races matter. You matter. City council members matter. Mayors matter.” (Newsom, 00:40)
• Not Giving Up on ‘Red’ States: Newsom emphasizes that Democrats should not write off conservative-leaning or rural regions, reflecting a strategy of engagement rather than retreat.
  • “I think it’s really important for the Democratic Party not to give up on red states and rural parts of the country. And I’ve been doing this for years now.” (Newsom, 03:33)
• Possible Presidential Run: While Newsom hasn’t announced a 2028 presidential bid, his actions and visibility have fueled speculation.
  • “I honestly don’t know... I got to sell by date as governor, and we’ll see what happens.” (Newsom, 11:03 & 11:43)

Memoir and Personal Story

• Young Man in a Hurry: Newsom discusses his memoir, describing it as “deeply reflective” and “self-critical.” He highlights struggles growing up with dyslexia, feeling like an outsider, and “posing” to fit in.
  • “They may write an autobiography, but not like this. This is a little different. I mean, this is pretty self critical. This is very deeply reflective.” (Newsom, 04:10)
  • “Somebody once said, Oscar Wilde, I think he said in boys life, he said, the first phase of life, we all have a pose... I guess I was posing and I didn’t know who I was.” (Newsom, 05:16)
• Class and Privilege: Newsom acknowledges his proximity to influential families (Getty, Pelosi) but stresses his personal and family challenges, such as his mother’s struggles and his own learning disabilities.
  • “I’m not trying to force feed anything. I’m just sharing my story... of my mom’s life, story of her struggles, story of my struggles as it relates to reading and learning disabilities.” (Newsom, 07:05)

Engaging with Conservatives and Bridging Divides

• Podcast Outreach: With his own podcast, Newsom intentionally brings on conservative figures, aiming for dialogue over division.
  • “That’s who I am. Open hand, not a closed fist.” (Newsom, 08:07)
  • “Divorce is not an option. It’s just not. We have to get along.” (Newsom, 08:18)
• Criticism of ‘Pandering’: Newsom addresses criticism that talking to conservatives is pandering, arguing the point of engagement is understanding.
  • “Well, I think it’s fair. And that’s why you don’t have to listen... I brought on Charlie Kirk because I wanted to understand what motivated him.” (Newsom, 08:28)
  • “Just because we don’t want to focus on [them] doesn’t mean they go away. It’s my... it’s who I am.” (Newsom, 08:59)

Tone and Political Rhetoric: ‘Fight Fire with Fire’

• Contradictions Questioned: Ilsa Chang challenges Newsom on the contrasting tones between his podcast’s outreach and his often combative presence on social media, including trolling Trump and mocking opponents.
  • “How do you square those playground insults with the listening sessions that you’re having with these conservatives on the podcast?” (Chang, 09:56)
  • “I think you can be both. And.” (Newsom, 10:05)
• Consistency and Authenticity: Newsom insists his approach is authentic and multidimensional, highlighting both empathy and sharper tactics.
  • “I am. I’m who I am. I’m consistently me. I’m interested in other people. I’m interested in what makes them work.” (Newsom, 10:16)
  • “I’m putting a mirror up to President Trump and I’m fighting fire with fire and I’m punching a bully back in the mouth.” (Newsom, 10:39)
• Leadership Philosophy: He describes his approach as one that blends conviction, openness, and willingness to fight aggressively when needed to protect democratic values.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On engagement in red states:
  • “I think it’s really important for the Democratic Party not to give up on red states and rural parts of the country.” (Newsom, 03:33)
• On self-discovery and youth:
  • “The first phase of life, we all have a pose... I guess I was posing and I didn’t know who I was.” (Newsom, 05:16)
• On authenticity:
  • “I am. I’m who I am. I’m consistently me.” (Newsom, 10:16)
• On fighting Trump:
  • “I’m putting a mirror up to President Trump and I’m fighting fire with fire and I’m punching a bully back in the mouth.” (Newsom, 10:39)
• On potential presidential run:
  • “I honestly don’t know... I got to sell by date as governor, and we’ll see what happens.” (Newsom, 11:03 & 11:43)

Timestamps for Important Segments

• Introduction & Newsom’s Tour: 00:00 – 02:57
• Book Tour & Memoir Discussion: 03:33 – 07:47
• Podcast Outreach & Conservative Guests: 07:47 – 09:18
• Confronting Tone & Public Rhetoric: 09:18 – 11:00
• Presidential Ambitions & Wrap Up: 11:00 – 12:12

Overall Tonality & Approach

• The conversation is friendly but pressing, with Chang thoroughly probing Newsom’s authenticity, philosophy, and approach.
• Newsom maintains a casual, approachable tone—frequently self-deprecating, quick-witted, and candid about his flaws.
• The episode captures Newsom’s blend of reflective self-awareness and combative political energy, presenting him as both bridge-builder and fighter.

For listeners seeking insights into the Democratic Party’s current and future direction—as well as Newsom’s evolving political playbook—this episode offers direct perspective from one of the party’s most high-profile figures, blending the personal with the sharply political.