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Episode: How HIV Researchers Overcame Setbacks and Kept a Vaccine Trial Going
Date: January 22, 2026
Host: Juana Summers, with reporting by Ari Daniel

Episode Overview

This episode delves into the challenges and resilience of HIV researchers following abrupt funding cuts from the Trump administration. Focused on a crucial HIV vaccine trial in Africa, it explores how scientists navigated setbacks, the dedication of community volunteers, and the scientific progress made despite limited resources.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Political Context and Setbacks

• Historical Commitment:
  • The Trump administration initially set a bold objective to eliminate the HIV epidemic in the US within 10 years, boosting vaccine research and global AIDS relief funding.
    • “My budget will ask Democrats and Republicans to make the needed commitment to eliminate… The HIV epidemic in the United States within 10 years.” — President Trump (quoted, 00:06–00:14)
• Sudden Reversal:
  • In his second term, President Trump slashed public health jobs and scientific research funding, suspending global AIDS relief programs.
  • This led to anxiety and uncertainty among researchers reliant on federal grants for vaccine trials.
    • “The administration also suspended funding for global AIDS relief programs like leaving scientists around the globe worried for the future of their research.” — Juana Summers (01:11)

2. Impact on Vaccine Research: The African Trial

• The Trial's Ambition:
  • Researchers, led by Penny Moore at the National Institute for Communicable Diseases (Johannesburg), had planned a $45 million, continent-wide HIV vaccine trial funded by USAID.
  • The trial aimed to address different HIV strains prevalent across African regions.
    • “The virus that they have in Kenya is not the same as the virus that we have in Botswana… understanding how these vaccines will work for the local virus is what makes it relevant.” — Penny Moore (06:15)
• Funding Collapse:
  • The Zanzibar meeting marked a turning point: news of an executive order freezing foreign aid dashed the hopes of all involved.
    • “Mood darkened from the number of Americans, particularly checking their phones all of a sudden… Something was wrong.” — Ari Daniel (06:43, paraphrased)
    • “I remember at the end of the meeting, USAID colleagues saying to me, I’m not sure if I’ll see you again. I completely underestimated how much it would gut the program.” — Penny Moore (07:03)

3. Resilience and Adaptation

• Emotional Toll and Determination:
  • Linda Gale Becker of University of Cape Town described the profound loss and determination to continue.
    • “There’s disbelief in the first instance. Then there is emotion that basically is angry because we’d worked damn hard, we’d won this grant, and we were doing what we had said we would do.” — Linda Gale Becker (07:44)
    • “This matters too much to not finish the work.” — Linda Gale Becker (07:59)
• Scrambling for Funds:
  • The team secured partial funding from the South African Medical Research Council and Gates Foundation, but had to scale back the trial to focus on South Africa alone.
    • “We brought out the begging bowl to say, this is important. Can you help us in some way?” — Linda Gale Becker (08:06)
    • “It’s a bare bones version. We will still get the answer, but it’s going to cost us time, years, which is not trivial because people are getting infected with this virus constantly.” — Penny Moore (08:33)

4. Community & Scientific Progress

• Community Involvement:
  • Local women in South Africa, some for over two decades, consistently donate blood and cell samples, critical for understanding HIV.
    • “They live in the communities that are most ravaged by HIV, and they donate their samples because they hope to see an end to an epidemic that is really, really real for them.” — Penny Moore (04:33)
  • The pared down trial now involves young women from Cape Town townships, with heartfelt engagement.
    • “I’m over the moon, man. I’m over the moon.” — Nandeepa Mongo, trial volunteer (10:42)
• Scientific Breakthroughs:
  • Researchers discovered rare, broadly neutralizing antibodies in some donors—key to developing a universal HIV vaccine.
    • “A broadly neutralizing antibody could stop my virus and could stop your virus and could stop an HIV virus from any other person.” — Penny Moore (09:24)
• Ongoing Hope:
  • First shots for the new, scaled-back trial were administered as the episode aired, signaling tangible progress.
    • “The first shots of the new vaccine trial started going into participants’ arms this week.” — Ari Daniel (11:01)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [00:53] John Brooks (CDC):
  • “…consistent funding, through mostly federal support, that’s discovered amazing drugs that can help us both treat HIV to keep a person healthy, but also to prevent HIV.”
• [01:57 & 07:59] Linda Gale Becker:
  • “This matters too much to not finish the work.”
• [06:33] Nono Mkize (researcher):
  • “We’re at the beginning of something big.”
• [08:33] Penny Moore:
  • “It’s a bare bones version. We will still get the answer, but it’s going to cost us time, years…”
• [09:24] Penny Moore:
  • “A broadly neutralizing antibody could stop my virus and could stop your virus and could stop an HIV virus from any other person.”
• [10:58] Nandeepa Mongo (volunteer):
  • “Living free.” (on what a world without HIV would feel like)

Important Segments & Timestamps

• Funding Cuts and Research Impact: (00:53–01:31)
• Zanzibar Meeting & Sudden Halt: (05:23–07:29)
• Researchers’ Emotional Response: (07:29–07:56)
• Securing New Funding and Scaling Down: (08:03–08:45)
• Community Engagement in Trials: (09:07–10:48)
• First Shots of the New Trial: (11:01)

Conclusion

Despite a devastating loss of US funding and narrowing of their original vision, African HIV researchers exemplified remarkable grit and adaptability. Mobilizing local resources and international support, they kept the vaccine trial alive, leveraging the commitment of their community and groundbreaking discoveries in immunology. As one participant eloquently put it, their work is about the hope for “living free”—a world without HIV.